Previous Thread: >>97292218Edition Goes in the OP not the Subject Edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>TQWhat do YOU think your top commanders say about (You)?
>>97297072What do you mean by "top"?
>>97297072>TQDo you mean top as in my best decks?Top as in highest edhrec #?Or the deck that best uses sensei's divining top
soulful or retarded addition to daretti?
>>97297080Opposite of bottom>>97297087>Do you mean top as in my best decks?Holy fucking shit I didn't think this phrase would cause this much of a problem in a game where tournament winners are referred to as "Top 8"Interpret it however the fuck you want, jesus christ.
>>97297072Chadgar is the toppest top
>>97297080>What do YOU think your top commanders say about (You)?Hipster
TQ>What do YOU think your top commanders say about (You)?Probably that I'm a poorfag simpleton metawhore who likes playing broken bullshit.Which is true. I'm a fighting game player at heart.
GOOD NEWS ANON!Due to the overwhelming popularity of Little Troubles TCG, WotC has decided to do Universes Beyond: e621, starting with the diaperfur tag!Your favorite commander is getting a new card where they will be transformed into a diaperfur version of themselves!Which lucky commander of yours will it be? What does that card look like? What Will be their effect?
>>97297072>TQthat im a basic bitch
>>97297097Top 8 is determined by winrate, so you mean our decks with the highest winrates? Then I'm a super sweaty sweatboy cause I have one deck that has lost 3 times in the 5 years I've played it-- but I don't play it very often anymore because of that.
If I enchant one of my creatures with Sheltered by Ghosts, if I donate sheltered by ghosts to an opponent with Stiltzkin, does the aura remain attached to my creature?
>>97297130Ye
>>97297130Yeah, control of an aura doesn't detach the aura.
What I think people think about seeing her in the commandzone.>Wow, that guy is going to be an asshole aggrotard. He's either going to grind us down with impact tremors or make all of his gnome throat punching giganiggas and just beat us to death.Why I actually made the deck>God, I love women with braided hair, and I love artifacts and the gnome designs are so adorable. Sure, I want it to be a good deck, but I just want to look at as many gnomes as possible.
>>97297148Mostly when I see her I think about tutoring a board wipe
>>97297148And you just happen to have a 50%+ win rate despite it being a "bracket 2" deck, right?
>>97297158this shit's so easy to deal with in brakcet 2
>>97297167Answer.
>>97297158Sure it would have a 100% win rate if I claimed it was a 2 and only played against 2s.I don't however, you can decide for yourself what power you think it actually has.
>>97297185easy 4
>>97297072>TQthat I love skeletons and that I want to fuck a goblin
>>97297072>What the commander saysGuy likes goblins, nice>what the deck says>wins turn 5>90/90 commander>90 goblinsSweaty mcsweatpants>no creature cards>tokens never attack"Actually it's funny it's so good with so many restrictions. You're agood deckbuilder" (hopefully)
>>97297185Bro where's your voice of victory?
>build a bad budget deck around a strong commander and play it for a few weeks with friends>everyone feels ashamed for using game changers against me>one by one they are tuning their decks down>they don't know about my maybeboard that I will switch into the deck next timesome of you anons are cool, don't go to game night tomorrow
>>97297215Didn't seem necessary with both Myrel and Grand Abolisher already in the deck. Sure, Mobilize would give me two more damage from impact tremors if it was out, but that's still going to force me to risk a silence effect.
>>97297072>Edition Goes in the OP not the Subject EditionIncorrect.The OP text should be copy pastable
>>97297232I wish this was my experience. My playgroup just bitches that budget isn't relevant to power level as they play the same icetill into ouroboroid they tutored for both games.
>>97297072>What do YOU think your top commanders say about (You)?Shroofus and UrtetI'm just here to make a lot of neat lil' buddies
guys, can you stop buying the mechanically unique card secret lairs so they stop doing them?I don't can't keep spending this much per card
>>97297241You have to change the previous in the OP regardless. Putting the edition in the subject cuts it off in the catalog and looks too cluttered.It goes in the OP. Under the previous. Simple as.
>>97297248>he thinks humans are the ones buying themJust proxy. Everyone knows SLDs are just bot farms.
>>97297237Maybe it's just because my group runs a ton of blue but in my experience you really can't run enough of these kinds of effects.
>>97297252>You have to change the previous in the OP regardless.>Putting the edition in the subject cuts it off in the catalog and looks too cluttered.>It goes in the OP. Under the previous. Simple as.Who cares about the catalogEveryone just says ctrl+f edhg and thats it.
>>97297248>he doesn't have any self controlngmi
>>97297267How is this an argument in favor of what you want?
>>97297254>just proxycongrats, you're F2Pand like every other F2P out there, you're a walking advertisement for other people to buy the real thing, secret lairs continue even as you purport to fight the power
>>97297273Its a contradiction to your argumentPlease follow along
>>97297254real? then would it actually be better to somehow encourage that product line until wotc prints a card that gets played in legacy as a 4x so they get some backlash>>97297271but the cards are powercreeped and I will lose
>>97297279>secret lairs continue even as you purport to fight the powerI just proxy because I'm cheap and want to play the commander. If other people buy this shit because of me, that's on them.
>>97297185>managing to make a Boros deck boring goodstuffI kneel...
>>97297297Print extra proxies and share them with everyone who comments on your secret lair stuff so that they don't feel pressured to buy a copy of a card they already own.
>>97297295>but the cards are powercreeped and I will loseas the ygra decklist from last thread proved>>97294603you can play all the new cards but it won't make for a winning deck
>>97297295>real?It's been a huge problem ever since they switched from print-to-demand to time-locked, or whatever.
>>97297072I play ajani stax that goes for a lockdown by turn 3. I hate fun when im not the only one having it
>>97297279literally no one has ever been inspired to buy a real copy of a card because they see a proxy. you are an absolute consoomer.
>>97297318>the act of owner anything puts pressure on other people to own that thing tooI won't say you're wrong, but you're completrly retarded if you think that's on me.
>maldhounds hairline is back another inchIt’s not funny bros. It’s not an in-joke anymore
>>97297354>literally no one has ever been inspired to buy skins of FPS games because they see F2Ps playinga literal business illiterate here kekwi can already smell your political leanings too
>>97297349sounds very anti-consumer. why don't people do anything about it? do people enjoy shit service or does everyone just proxy?
>>97297374Your bait is shit tier.
>>97297384uh oh melty lmao
>>97297377but enough about the diamond industry
>>97297072>What do YOU think your top commanders say about (You)?That I am a hipster who longs for the good old days.
>>97297390(you)
>>97297405I'm also going for the 32 deck challenge.
>>97297097I was confused as well>topcould mean best deckcould mean favorite deckcould mean deck numbers on EDHREC
>>97297428Just do your most powerful deck
>>97297428Just do your favorite deck
>>97297135>>97297131It does if it's 'enchant creature you control'. It would drop off due to sheltered by ghosts specifically only targeting a creature you control
If I have a card like banishing light exile something and then I exchange control of my banishing light to an opponent, does the same thing stay exiled?
BrainfartGInstantReplace each instance of ‘each’ and ‘all’ with ‘target’ on target spell or ability. It’s controller selects targets. Spells that lose semantic coherence fizzle. >’Now u am cast spell like grug’ -Grug, caveman spellslinger supreme
>>97297474yes
>>97297457A useful exception to mention I guess, sure. Notably it would just fall off and go to the gy immediately then.
Does anyone feel like Scryfall is fucking with them sometimes?I came across Jetmir's Garden and realized that trilands exist, so I looked up lands with {R} {G} {W} in the text, and found a couple lands that would be useful to me.But then, I realized that Jetmir's Garden inexplicably wasn't coming up in the search, despite having those colour symbols arranged the same way as other lands in the search. So, I have no way to be sure I've even found all the trilands relevant to me.I should also theoretically recognize every cat card in my colours, I've combed through multiple times, but IRL I've seen ones I swear I've never seen before.
>cast mana geyser>no tutors, no jeskas will>table groansWhy is a common so salt inducing? Is brainstorm or reanimate also cancer?
>>97297526Because you play with bad players.To me a bad player isn't even a player who plays poorly. It's people like this. People who whine over the slightest shit because they believe it's part of the culture to dislike (thing)
>>97297522It has it in the ‘reminder’ text because it has those land types.t:land id:bant r>r -produces:c1 – 60 of 65 cards where the card types include “land” and the color identity ≤ GUW and the rarity is greater than Rare and the mana produced is not ≥ C
>>97297488MaNo would rather just print a straight counterspell for green. I know he wants to too
>>97297558They may as well, and drop the pretense that they care about the color pie or that the color pie as is is worth caring about.
>>97297526the table is groaning because there is no reason to cast mana geyser if you're not about to win with some solitairei'm not saying solitaire is inherently bad, but people groan about MLD too>and ofc you won, glad to see you couldn't even admit that
>>97297568one of the last threads had an anon suggest giving all spell types to all colors, quantified and qualified for what and how they could perform each spell.Still dont think I agree with it, but its an interesting idea.
>>97297582I’m so sick of the bitchiness. No, I didn’t win. I cast mana geyser, then descent into avernus, descent into madness, paradox haze, and shadow of the second sun. Then I copied descent into madness 4 times with gogo and cucked the eldrazi player (elf player was collateral)
>>97297185>Tokenslop>Artifactslop>AIslop >CombatslopIf only you had a UB commander this would be the biggest slop pile I have ever seen.
>>97297652(you)
>>97297652Do you want to say slop more one time just to get it out of your system?
>>97297185>AI tiddy waifu proxyHow much do you weigh, sir?
>>97297645Based
>>97297185I can picture the person who posted this
Any recommendation? Do you think this is good enough for a casual yet high power table? Another dude also runs a mass land denial card or two.https://moxfield.com/decks/Bim2YGGC5kuGLUNcgMat0A
>>97297814why do you have color fixing duals in a 2 color deck with little to no pipshow does this win when you have one other vehicle in the deck
>>97297185Nice Boros! Posting mine.Austere Command over Farewell? Hour of Revelation is also an underrated boardwipe. You can consistently cast it for WWW.
>>97297869presumably he staxes everyone and smashes their faces with shorikai
>>97297883Im not reading that autism. New design looks much cleaner and more coherent. Old design is a blocky mess and you only like it because nostalgia
>>97297652>word-slopcringe
>>97297883>white on white still conveniently left out
>>97297185you don't use that proxy.
>>97297195This explains why this general is so bad.
when will we get lorwyn spoilers?
>>97297884Love Gisela, and smacking people with their own creature big damage to win sounds hilarious.Yeah, I probably should put farewell in, though that said I still haven't come across a situation where I really would have absolutely needed it.
>>97297940Tomorrow, iirc?
>>97297940TmorrowTomorrowThere's always TomorrowIt's only a day away
>>97297938This explains why this general is so bad.
>>97297958Stop copying me!
>>97297934Sure about that? Superbowl in a little over a month. Might have something to see there.
>>97297979I don't get it? Are you saying you're going to show the card on the jumbotron at the super bowl?
>>97297958It's better then every other MTG general.
>>97297991This general unironically questioned whether One ring would be good
>>97297993>one or two people are stupid/are bad at the game>that means everyone that posts here is stupid/bad at the gameFantastic logic. Everyone I saw here thought it was busted garbage and hated the idea of playing against it
>>97298004This applies to every post in this chain btw
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97298097play pedh then
You ready to get raped to death on turn 0 causalbabbies?
>someone posts a bad deck>lots of replies>someone posts a good deck>silenceclassic /edhg/
>>97298160Pedo elder dragon highlander?
>>97298172>someone posts soulful deck built with love and care>silence>someone posts anime tiddy proxies>Infinite repliesSay law vee
>>97298168>turn 0Explain.
>>97298174yeah it's the anti-woke edh
>>97298207He's just memeing. People said a thread or two ago that she's busted (and she is, outside cEDH power levels) and so he's exaggerating saying she is busted turn 0
>>97298168red ritual a few times, evole an elemental eldrazi during your upkeep, ez
>>97298168I'm tried of wburg slop
>>97298240I'm tired of (you) in particular buddyboy
>>97298240They, so badly, want another hype release like with Horde of Notions. I remember everyone freaking out about this, but after almost 20 years of WUBRG slop, people no longer care
You people over use the term slop. holy shit.
>>97298294>slopslop
>>97298294certified slop post desu senpai
>>97298240I am tired of sharty-words
>>97298217>and she is, outside cEDH power levelsthere is no reason to believe this card would be any better than the powered down cedh commanders in b3
I thank christ my pod never gave into bracket propaganda.
>>97298283Horde was one of my first three EDH decks back in 2010. Loved it.>sword equipped to gain protection from relevant colors>Rafiq out>True Conviction on boardHe would just tear shit up and one shot people who weren't expecting it.
>>97298294Once everything is slop, nothing will be
>>97298329Cynicslop
>>97298329Based
>>97298338Literally me.
>>97297883I just like how old cards looked like pages out of a spell book while new cards just look like mobile phone screen shots. Old Magic was visually more immersive.
>>97298351Old magic art was shittier and the card frames were hideous.
>>97298311There is, it's literally Flash on a stick for elementals.
>>97298240Every Commander of note being 3+ or WURBG colors is the design team acknowledging the color pie is an archaic mess they don't know how to design around anymore without wildly unbalancing the game and that the game itself is reaching its limits.
>>97298338basedslop
>>97298362They admitted this like a decade ago when they said they're not doing 4c commanders anymore because, and I directly quote: "it's too hard"
>>97298357I dare you to be more wrong.
Toski please save us from the slop
>>97298378>here look at this 80s fantasy book cover art floating in mid air printed onto a literal brick
Got this as a Christmas gift from a friend. Haven't played in over a decade, but he gave all of us a precon and we spent a couple days just banging out games back to back. It was probably the most fun I've had with the game. The only issue is that I'm worried about changing up the deck and getting back on that treadmill of spending money to win. Should I even bother? The way it is, it feels more like a board game than something competitive. Are there other people out there who would prefer just playing precons as-is?
>>97298378I think I like the old textures more, but the formatting of current stuff is better.
>>97298416>Are there other people out there who would prefer just playing precons as-is?What you tend to find is that most players at the LGS will have a precon to play against newer players or for a lower powered match. Some stores will have precons people can borrow. Some stores even have precon and upgraded precon (using budget limits) tournaments.It's viable but you'd have to scope out your LGS.
>>97298417the formatting on ABUR-era cards is pretty bad but they had it figured out by like, Visions block which was 1997
>guy is playing without reading any of his cards>turns a damage-to-player trigger he warned nobody about into gaining 200 health
>>97298378nta but the shit brown artifact frames and old gold frames are putrid. The mono color frames all look nice but no amount of boomer revisionism and nostalgia will ever convince me these don't look awful.
>>97298179>You can't build a deck with love and care because you have a booby proxy
>>97298439Why didn't you tell him he had to say what he was playing?Then if he kept doing it, tell him those cards don't exist because the table was not told of their existence and given priority to react to them.
>>97298361>flash for elementals>vs tutor for legendaries and put them into playit's not as strong as you think
>>97298463>paying WUBRGLmao
>>97298461We were all talking over him and not paying attention
>>97298461the third guy immediately took his side and said tough luck and that i shouldve read the cards
>>97298468>he doesn't have a perfect manabasengmi
>>97298442it looks kino i hate you
>>97298478>n-n-no really 5 mana is fine because my manabase is good!!!!It's still WUBRG bud, being able to pay it isn't the problem, being forced to is.
>>97298484N O S T A L G I AIt's fine to feel, but only if you understand that it distorts reality.
>>97298485>i'm totally not forced to pay evoke {4}!!lolinb4 you give me conspiracy combos to hype this card up
>>97298490i started playing last month lol
>>97298416you should only spend money if you want to win against randos in an LGS
>>97298474>he just goes for itcuck
hush little baby don't say a word
>>97298416Lots of people play precons if that's what you want. If you're worried about getting back into it and wasting tons of money, the best advice I can give is to set a per card (not per deck) limit. Mine is 2$, put I try to keep most of the cards under 1$. This allows you to make strong decks while keeping your decks away from expensive staples that will make them more homogenous, and of course spending usually around 40 bucks or so on a deck.
>>97298526>not "your opponents control"obsolete design
>make 3 powerstone tokens>accidently use them to cast a game-winning x spell>don't realise until after we pact upFeels bad
>>97298542Is there even any big artifact X spells, outside of the creatures that come in with X +1/+1s? I've been wanting to do stuff with them for ages
>>97297582What kind of dipshit post is this
>>97298240Still can't forgive them for fumbling the most anticipated wburg drop of all time.
>>97298542There are some artifacts that enter with x counters and do things based on number of counters on them, but nothing explosive.
>>97298546Meant for>>97298565
>>97298362But the vast majority of commanders are 1 or 2 color. Even the top 10 commanders have a pretty even split between colors. I think youre trying to create a narrative because you want to see something that isnt there
>>97298569Guess I'll check again in another 5 years. I've been waiting as long as skeletonbros
>>97298526>>97298539Thanks
Now this is SOVL
>>97298583Do you have this deck? Is it fun? I pulled him a while back. Was building it up to be a cycling astral slide deck. Never got around to it.
>>97298593How can this be a legal card
>>97298618it's legal because paper magic requires an internet connection
>>97298594He's not really fun compared to Uro or Kroxa, too limited in what he can do in boros.
>>97298618
>>97298583/edhg/ thought this was a bad card
>>97298661It still is :)
>>97298678Which is why it was 30 dollars and appearing in top 8 modern all the time.Because it was a shit card and modern decks were winning with it because modern tournaments are casual.
>>97298683>modernThe other mtg thread is two blocks down.
>>97298661In edh it's awful. Otherwise it's great.
>>97298583ive dabbled with phlage, tried making it about machine gunning his etb trigger, using things like suntitan to bring him back and panharmonicon and MoM to fire off as many lighting helixes as possible, but it was just too slow and not outputting enough to make it more than super duper bracket -1.
>>97298683Its great in Modern, mid in EDH. I genuinely don't remember anyone saying otherwise. You especially won't see it in any meta cEDH lists.
>>97298618They are tokens rather than actual cards. He's also pretty good with a haste enabler and a way to infinitely flicker him.
>cast Cyclonic Rift>come on dude this is bracket 3...YESIT ISHOW DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THIS??IT'S A GAME CHANGERYOU CAN RUN GAME CHANGERS IN BRACKET 3
>>97298641Does the token counts towards devotion count
>>97298724Yeah, dude. So anyway I now cast my own cyclonic rift.People who do this are just made you got to yours first.
>>97298724A lot of people running bracket 3 decks are really just running bracket 2 decks.
>>97297869It wins with stax and with Shorikai, some infinite mana loops, engines that generate tokens, second sun, etc.
>>97298724oh look, yet more mtg players without mobile data
>>97297912Shithead tasteless zoomers like (You) are the reason this game's in the damn state it is. Have some more pizza lands, you fucking rancid swine.
>>97298294What's really funny is I'm like 99% sure the slop meme started on /ck/ then worked it's way to /pol/. We were using slop/sloppa many years ago. A tiny little fast food review board is likely responsible for a globe-spanning meme. Inspiring.
>>97298813>A tiny little fast food review board is likely responsible for a globe-spanning meme.4chan made somebody president
>>97298496>>i'm totally not forced to pay evoke {4}!!You're not though. It's a generic cost so it can be reduced to 0 very easily. Pic related being one example.
>>97298824if i put Animar on the table and put four (4) +1/+1 counters on it I can already cast infinite spells for free dumbass Ashling is doing nothing
>>97298824>pays WNothing personnel kid
>>97298824>ok i'm not going to use conspiracy combos>but I AM going to use other specific cards to make this damn thing work!lol see you in bracket 3 where aeons torn blows up your board turn 6
>>97298724I want a bracket between 2 and 3 that's well tuned decks, but no game changers and no tutors. I only say this cause people say my decks are clearly bracket 3 despite having no GCs or tutors.
WE WAS
>>97298824>put animar on the table>cast four creature spells>so i can cast elementals for free and kill them at turn end>when i could just cast literally anything else with an enormous discount and drown the table in value anyway
>>97298824Or you could just play Animar instead of jumping through a dozen hoops
>>97298416she cute :)
>>97298819Yeah I know I was there. That was /pol/ the biggest board on the site. /ck/ achieving something is impressive in its own right.
If I want to cause the maximum level of seethe from scrubs should I build poison, mill, or eldrazi?
>>97298853Mill has the biggest psychological impact but it's not actually going to win you any games.Poison is the midpoint. It will cause some seethe and it's decent.Eldrazi has several very strong commanders and support pieces and its gameplan naturally preys on scrubs that play little interaction, but it has the least psychological impact.
>>97298863poison is the maximum inflection point
>>97298834>no tutorsThis just makes Timmy green decks even stronger.
>>97298853Exile mill is the ultimate psychological warfare, even veteran players get pissed when you exile their good shit
>>97298724Brackets are all about angle shooting and trying to imply your opponent broke some imagined rule in your head. Then you get to leave feeling like you won by default when you objectively lost.
>>97298853Discard tribal
>>97298741Because the system is poorly done and has stupid shit like "dude if you throw cyc rift in a starter precon then it is as good as this guys tricked out top of bracket 3 deck"
>>97298886I discard Valgavoth :)
>>97298892That's not an issue. If your deck is ONLY pushed to bracket 3 by cyclonic rift and otherwise can't handle bracket 3 games, you can justtakecyclonic riftoutof the deck
>>97298853Release the tiddies
>>97298819>people still believe this shit
>>97298901>You can play around the bad system!I choose to just not use the broken system.
>>97298853Fog tribal
>>97298906see, anon, if I say something is going to happen online and it happens, clearly I caused it.
>>97298919this is stax
>>97298853Poison stax.
>>97298914No system is ever going to work for you if you deliberately approach it in bad faith. they printed a list of cards that are gamewarping and said they are only allowed past a certain bracket.if you want to play these cards, you have to go to that bracket. if you want to play a lower bracket, you have to put these cards out of the deck.
>>97298927>blah blah blah blahIf you want me to use the system then you make it exactly to my liking, as there was never a reason to the system and no reason for me to want to change things. There is, to this day, no reason for me to use the system aside from to break what wasn't broken.So I will continue to not use brackets. And you will continue to cope with it.
>>97298863>Mill has the biggest psychological impact but it's not actually going to win you any games.Probably this then. I need a scrub detector deck for a new playgroup and the fastest way to sus out who knows what's up is to build something that will make bad kids mad while the people who know what's up won't give a shit.
>>97298914>Play around itYour precon isn't really a 3 just because you took out one card and replaced it with a game changer.While it technically is, you will just lose over and over again.To know what else qualifies your deck as a 3, is clearly written out both in their articles and their infographs. Is you, or anyone else can't figure it out, literally skill issue.
>>97298919>>97298921Sorry, typo. I meant Frog tribal.
>>97298937Only thing better than an autistic sperg, is a narcissistic autistic sperg
>>97298946The best thing about brackets is that you want me to use them and there is nothing you can do to make me.
>>97298951If you don't want to use brackets then just don't use them instead of trying to bend over backwards to make decks that TECHNICALLY fit in certain bracket while being unplayable in that bracket
>>97298955Seething
>>97298863>Mill has the biggest psychological impact but it's not actually going to win you any games.Yes it will.
>>97298853Mill and it's not even close. Casuals fucking H A T E mill like you don't even know. Watching them stare at their prized $50+ cards being thrown in the graveyard, with no way to get them back, causes cosmic amounts of seething
>>97298951>>97298957we actually don't want you to use them so we can better identify and ostracize you to your basement where you belong lmao
>>97298921This is my favorite meme/shitpost of the month.
>>97298960The only subsect of mill that wins games is combo mill such as Bruvac; otherwise you're just going through 250 or so points of life slower then you'd go through normal life. In addition, against many decks it will actively help them.
>>97298937The my deck's a 7 era was just as shit
>>97298970Retarded statement that implies mill cards mill at the rate burn does damage.And literally admitting it wins because "well if you combo it with various cards...."It wins. If you can't win with it then you are limiting yourself by doing shit like not using bruvac or spells that say "mill half"
>>97298973That's cool. I'd sell all my shit if I was forced to use brackets.
>>97298984ok rule zero baby
>>97298978>Retarded statement that implies mill cards mill at the rate burn does damage.Generally speaking, the rate is worse. For 1 mana you can deal 3 damage (3/40 of a life total). For 1 mana you can mill three to five cards (4/80 of a life total).In addition to this, mill set pieces like artifacts and creatures will mill slower then normal creatures and artifacts will deal damage.
>>97298968Its only been a day or two since it started.
>>97298993For 3 mana you can mill 42 cards, dipshit. Show me the 3cmc spell that deals 42 damage
>>97298998the most back breaking of stax
>look at pedh lists>every one of them wins with the same comboI thought I escaped thoracle hell...
>>97298998I had a Winota player scoop to this after I put an indestructible counter on it.
>>97298998He just sits there, menacingly.
>>9729900042 mill does not equal 42 damage. you will typically have to mill around 80 cards for each opponent, so that's 240 cards to go through.42/240 = 0.175. To deal a similar percentage, you just need to deal 21 damage to all players as 21/120 = 0.175 I present you with this. Your move.
>>97298830>Ashling is doing nothingExcept making 4+ mana elementals into 4, giving them evoke even if they didn't have it, and doubling all ETB and LTBs.>>97298833>make it workNo, make it free.>>97298840>>97298842As above.
>>97299028Ugh, forgot the card. My bad.
>>97299029>Except making 4+ mana elementals into 4, giving them evoke even if they didn't have it, and doubling all ETB and LTBs.If you cast them through Ashling, they will die at the end of turn and you will be left with no board as there are very little Elementals that create tokens. Simply using Animar to discount them and then vomiting a board is a much better approach that requires less hoops to jump through.
>>97299046>If you cast them through Ashling, they will die at the end of turn and you will be left with no boardOh lmao you're that new player who is piss-scared of his own creatures dying lmao
>>97298919Based.
>>97299029>guys i'm going to make ashling work by putting 4 counters on animar>w8 i can already go infinite with an animar with 4 counters on it w/o ashling already?>nvm that i'm trying to hype up the chase card of the set hereok timmy
>>97299051If you have 4 counters on Animar, you don't fucking need a specific tribe's ETB/LTB doubler that also kills them at turn end.You can just cast your goddamned library at this point nigga. That's what everyone is trying to tell you.
I remember when this general was insisting that exhaust Loot was busted, now it's a $1 card. You were wrong then, and those of you trying to downplay this Ashling are wrong now.I wish I could believe you're trolling, but the sad truth is you really are this bad at card evaluation.
>>97299052>mfw someone slams down unstoppable stax
>>97299065Ashling is literally only good because the MH3 elementals exist. This will be the sole purpose of her existance. Nobody will care about Animar or even any other Elemental outside of maybe Maelstrom Wanderer. She's playable because of the pitch evokers. That's all.
>>97299079$14 card minimum, piss and shit as much as you want
>>97299065Cost isn't always relative to power.Loot has been played at CEDH levels and won.Magda is a buck 60. Is she weak and worthless?
>>97299088Which card was this? Can't be Aetherdrift Loot because it's 2024
>>97299093Yeah, I'm sure your gameplan of doubling up on Ingot Chewer is going to be the next cEDH menace, buddy.
>>97299097C O P E
>>97299100Some guy spent days trying in this thread banging on and on about this card being the new Leovold.
Bhahahaha picrel makes my bracket 1 deck into a bracket 4 deck. Hilarious. Meanwhile nykthos and other problematic lands either make a deck bracket 3 or do nothing.
>>97299108winterdoubters in shambles
>>97299106"Cope" in lieu of an argument, is the biggest cope
>>97299079>Ashling is literally only good because the MH3 elementals exist.Grief is pretty ass even when doubled up in edh.
>>97299112no it doesn't
>>97299112bracket 1 says no mass land denial. put mass land denial in it = no longer bracket 1. i know it's hard for a 12 IQ retard to get it but it's pretty simple
>>97299108didnt see it literally a single time lmao
>>97299132it's not actually MLD unless you're a gay faggot
>>97299112Retards will do anything but slot the Wasteland and apply brain cells.
Nonbasicfag can suck my dick
>>97299142you're not the gay faggot running wotc unfortunately
>>97299132*brackets 1-3Blood moon or cards like this that barely effect most decks being an auto bump-up to bracket 4 is retarded.
>>97299173>why can't i put X cards in Y formati feel the same way about my pet casual cards not being in standard, but alas, c'est la vie>huh brackets aren't formatspractically speaking they are
>>97299195Uh huh, does that mean we can't discuss how retarded it is?
>>97299203out of all complaints I do not believe "the casual bracket doesn't allow Armageddon" to be one I give a shit about
>>97299169Suck it
>>97299207>sort my lands equally among all three pileswhat now, gayboy?
>>97299203i think standard is retarded too, but it chugs on regardless
>>97299205Agreed. Blood moon though? I mean bracket 1, no, but 2? 3? Come now. Especially such an effect on a creature.
>>97298778>>97297869>>97297900I think this version is better since it has a better synergy and one or two additional paths to infinite combos. I do worry about it being able to close the game on time, even through favorable stax.1 Academy Ruins1 Adarkar Wastes1 An Offer You Can't Refuse1 Approach of the Second Sun1 Arcane Signet1 Archon of Emeria1 Aura of Silence1 Austere Command1 Aven Mindcensor1 Azorius Signet1 Back to Basics1 Basalt Monolith1 Blind Obedience1 Clock of Omens1 Command Tower1 Commit/Memory1 Containment Construct1 Counterspell1 Cursed Totem1 Dance of the Manse1 Deafening Silence1 Deserted Beach1 Dovin's Veto1 Drake Haven1 Dramatic Reversal1 Drannith Magistrate1 Eiganjo, Seat of the Empire1 Ethersworn Canonist1 Fabricate1 Farewell1 Fellwar Stone1 Generous Gift1 Glacial Fortress1 Hullbreaker Horror1 Hushbringer1 Hushwing Gryff1 Idyllic Tutor1 Imprisoned in the Moon12 Island1 Isochron Scepter1 Key to the City1 Luminarch Ascension1 Manifold Key1 March of Otherworldly Light1 Mind Stone1 Mystic Remora1 Mystic Sanctuary1 Narset, Parter of Veils1 Palladium Myr1 Path to Exile1 Pithing Needle10 Plains1 Port Town1 Prairie Stream1 Propaganda1 Rapid Hybridization1 Reprieve1 Resculpt1 Reshape1 Rings of Brighthearth1 Rule of Law1 Seachrome Coast1 Sejiri Shelter1 Sevinne's Reclamation1 Silence1 Skullclamp1 Sol Ring1 Static Orb1 Supreme Verdict1 Swan Song1 Swords to Plowshares1 Talisman of Progress1 Tezzeret the Seeker1 Tezzeret, Betrayer of Flesh1 Torpor Orb1 Unwinding Clock1 Voltaic Key1 Whir of Invention1 Winter Moon1 Shorikai, Genesis Engine
>>97299207you're in luck, gavin's definition of MLD doesn't include this card
>>97299213>not putting all of your permanents in one pile66% chance of losing nothing at all.
>>97299218And if you want to discuss or complain about it, I would suggest a more relevant thread.
>>97299207Most retarded thing I ever saw was someone putting one of his creatures in one pile and an aura enchanting it in a different one because he was trying to split things evenly.
>>97299207>posts a card that has a 2/3 chance of doing literally nothing
>>97299223Has he said that specifically?>>97299238>2/3 chance of doing literally nothingAnon, there are 4 people are the table
If I showed up with a pauper deck would you allow it?
>>97299260sure
>>97299249>he didn't read gavin's brackets articlesmany such cases
>>97299272my wife
>>97299263Did anyone? No but seriously, I'm pretty sure I did and he said it's like "4 or more lands" or some shit?? Which Whims of the Fates easily has the potential to destroy
>>97299272cute doge yjk :)
>>97299280Four or more lands PER PLAYER.
>>97299249>These cards regularly destroy, exile, and bounce other lands, keep lands tapped, or change what mana is produced by four or more lands per player without replacing them. Examples in this category are Armageddon, Ruination, Sunder, Winter Orb, and Blood Moon. Basically, any cards and common game plans that mess with several of people's lands or the mana they produce should not be in your deck if you're seeking to play in Brackets 1–3.Whims of fate doesn't qualify since you as the player have choice on how many lands you are going to potentially be sacrificed.
>>97299277His wife*
>>97299280the key word is "regularly", which is why gavin is fine with planetary annihilation, because you can't "regularly" destroy 4 or more lands for each player with that card>ofc gavin forgets that keldon firebombers and razia's purification exist, but i'm fine with MLD anyway, as long as he doesn't close that loophole then such cards are fine too
>>97299295VERY much no. Decidedly no. Neither one of them was even slightly interested in that possibility.
>>97299296Planetary Annihilation is also fine because it will never do what MLD does (that being brick a player's mana). Same as Urza's Sylex.
>>97299300worldslayer and co. are also fine because you can't "regularly" get a creature to equip it with, such cards are completely dependent on other cards
>>97299260>pauper has a separate banlistwhat???? I thought it was literally just "budget edh" since you run an uncommon as the commander
>>97299260Only if you run a legendary uncommon as your commander.I don't know the pauper meta but I bet being able to run any uncommon as your commander means there's some degen shit I can't be reasonably prepared for.
>>97299330Pauper =/= pauper EDH.Pauper is a 60-card format where you can only run commons. Pauper is it but commander and you can run one uncommon (your commander). A lot of cards are busted as fuck in 60-card while being common.
>>97298970Exile mills everything and gains static power to either kill with commander damage or fling him for lethal
>>97299348how on earth is that snow mana thing banned?
>>97299336a lot less than you'd think, lore weaver + ley weaver is one of the main meta commanders that wouldn't be legal as commanders in EDH
>>97299356It fixes your mana forever while drawing a card on ETB. I literally used to run 5C with only basic snow swamps. Think about that sentence.
>>97299356arcum's astrolabe is banned in nearly every format
>>97299317The fuck I can't.And there are even better commanders for it.
>>97299356It is a very efficient and good card is how
>>97299352there's like, four fling effects in black period and 2 of them are unplayably bad
>>97299317>you can't "regularly" get a creature to equip it withLol. Lmao. If you're not running an indestructible commander with this you're fucking retarded. Worldslayer ends games every time it goes off the first time
>>97299370the point i was making not only is worldslayer not a guaranteed wipe but when you do connect with it the game is over in short order ala worldfire, the MLD is just to facilitate the win and not to make you suffer
>>97299378they consider using a specific indestructible commander and a 5 mana artifact with a 5 mana equip cost to close out a game an acceptable use of the card.
>>97299381>>97299384Okay, fair enough.
>>97299384>5 mana equip costFucking dumbass it's boros. There's like 100+ ways to cheat out and equip them for free
>>97299388At that point you need >an indestructible commander>worldslayer, a 5 mana artifact>a separate equipment equip enablerall this for a combo that doesn't even end the game.
>>97299384I've done it turn 3 with a perfect christmas hand, but yes, generally it is later in the game game.
>>97298937No one here plays with you anon. Baffling behaviour
>>97299384If you're actually paying equip costs in boros of all colors, you're doing it wrong. I bought this guy for 5 cents over 10 years ago and he STILL goes in every equipment deck I build
>>97299396turn 3 destroy all your opponent's permanents with a godhand?cute given wotc's modern commander design
How does it typically play out in practice? How often are people letting someone draw vs taking damage?
>>97299398Refer to >>97299393. Every additional enabler is an additional point of failure. 3 card combos are fine
>>97299398>yes let me add another signpost to telegraph my combo killbracket 2 is fun guys
>>97299397>No one plays without bracketsI bet this thread believes this.
>>97299408self mill absolutely loves it>heads I win>tails you lose :)
>>97299408This card has far too many words on it.
>>97299415There is zero reason to run a custom deck in bracket 2 outside of to be unique.
>>97299438I don't believe a custom bracket 2 deck exists.If you have a custom deck, it's a 3. If you tell me your custom deck or modified precon is a 2, I will assume it's a 3 and I will play high 3s and low 4s against it.
>>97299438yeah, and we're arguing why Worldslayer isn't too much for bracket 2
>run a bad landbase so fags in /edhg/ say "based basics anonGrim existence. Genuinely cannot fathom letting people on 4chan of all places influence me
>>97299418i'm just passing through but edh was way more fun before the bracket shit, i can't believe people decided to get competitive about a singleton format with a light roleplaying mechanic and combined with wizards printing for the format, ruined it entirelyfuck anyone who gets mad at losing in singleton and fuck anyone who knowingly plays a bracket and doesn't just play edh to zone out and have fun with the boys and find cool new interactions/cards
>>97299455the point of the brackets is to enable this experience and have the guys who get competitive to play with their own ilk.
No don't you see the guy who plays grizzly bears and the guy who thoracle wins on 2 should just play together and the thoracle player should just get to win every time without contest.
>>97299464only necessary because we weren't good enough about shooing you nerds away before it got to that pointnow its just a bunch of "well, technically" faggotry trying your hardest to make a 3.99999999999 and hiding behind decorum
>>97299455>i can't believe people decided to get competitive about a singleton formatimagine crying about competition in a PVP game
>>97299475the guy who built thoracle should be in a corner playing by himself if teaming up on him isn't enough to stop him and he isn't willing to switch decks after showing what he can doalso, believe it or not, just not making optimal plays to keep the game competitive and fun is always an option, though i know you're far too autistic to wrap your head around choosing friends over a children's game
I’m going to be building a toxrill deck, can I get some advice other than being told to kill my self. Thanks
>>97299481I don't have friends.
>>97299476have you thought about playing with people that you like and respect and who engage with the game in good faith?
>>97299485Play at least 39 lands
>>97299489yeah i'm definitely glad i'm not playing with any of you, i thought that was clearanyway i've been on this dead site too long alreadysee ya shitlords
>>97299317>>97299378I run it in pic related
>>97299511skelebros...?
>>97299317https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHwVBirqD2sI just run Wroldslayer so i can play this on my phone afterwards.
>>97299444>I make my own definition of bracket 2
>>97299475Hey if the guy who played bears didn't want to play against cEDH then MAYBE he shouldn't have used a broken card like crop rotation to find a forest.
>>97299585Wrong yet again, child. Anyone that claims their deck is a bracket 2 is either running a precon or they're running a bracket 3 and they're a bad judge of power level.
>>97299393Pretty sure I just need my commander and this guy
My deck is a 7
>>97298442The multicolor frames were trash but the old artifact frames were fantastic. The muddy, rusty brown fit the aesthetic of old artifacts perfectly.
>>97299605If people let this stay alive for a full turn they deserve everything that's coming to them
>>97299261Unban it!
Think of a commander.Tell the thread what colors are in its identity and its mana value.Post a song to listen to while building that commander.Other anons try to guess what the commander is.I'll go first.>GWWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlUMmlvVTwI
>>97299598>I make my own definitions
>>97299418Does this reply make sense to you? You need help.
What combo makes me feel like Yami Yugi playing berserker soul+breaker the magicical warrior?
>>97299620Equip greaves to stonehewerresponses?
>>97299636Are you high?
>>97299620>if they happen to not have removal ready in hand, it's their fault the game ended on turn 6 in bracket 2
>>97299666Yes, Satan
>>97299669Correct. Build better.
>>97299636uhhhhallenal of ruadach?also you're insane, like in the bad way.
>>97299685I run lots of removal. You don't literally always have removal, and I can't force the other players to run more removal.
>>97299694And they won't literally always have stonehewer and whatever on turn 6
>>97299666High on life.>>97299690>allenal of ruadach?Got it in one.>also you're insane, like in the bad way.I don't know what you mean, you understood me perfectly.
It doesn't matter what you run for cards, game changers, staples, etc. if you are a equipment or vehicle commander, your deck is a 2
>>97299702i was also gunna guess allenal but thats just because of the color pips.
>>97299698I never said they would, but when they do, they just win. 2 card win. Bracket 2 legal.
>>97299715Yes. Because it isn't a consistent thing.
>>97299713The game works
>>97299657Ruric Thar and a bunch of cascade discover, and Genesis Wave effects (and make some copies of Ruric)
>>97299721My bloodmoon being out isn't a consistant thing either, and even when it is it doesn't destroy any possibility of play with any deal of consistancy.If worldslayer is out and equipped, it's a full lans boardwipe, game over, and tgat's not difficult.
>>97299657>>97299759Primal Surge, that's the one
>>97299769>My bloodmoon being out isn't a consistant thing eitherThat doesn't seem relevant since consistency isn't mentioned with MLD rules.
>>97299657>Yami Yugi playing berserker soul+breaker the magicical warrioroh fuck, I just read the episode summary, is that where the like 10 straight MONSTER CARDO meme comes from???
>>97299797Read the pist I'm responding to>Yes. Because it isn't a consistant thingHe's arguing the reason worldslayer isn't banmed is because it's not consistanly "denying" a bunch of land-- but it is. If you play it and equip it, which is very easy in boros as shown, it does consistantly deny land en masse, ending the game unless someone has 1 mana removal in hand they can play a land and cast it-- but at that point the MLD has already gone off, done it's thing.
>>97299807Yes.How can I DURAH! MONSTA CAHDO in magic?
>>97299657The thing is, once you have a combo like infinite combats, you just win and the table folds, so you don't really feel that great. Closest thing to feeling more and more powerful and getting your opponents to feel more and more dread is something like cascade or cheating creatures in with something like Atla. Super hard strong battlecruiser.
>>97299810Shit I don't think there's an effect like that in Magic, that allows all those extra attacks. The closest non-combat one I can think of is Grist's +1 when running like 65 insects/34 lands
>>97299808>If you play it and equip it, which is very easy in boros as shown, it does consistantly deny land en masseit's also very easy to assemble a 3 card combo that actually wins without depending on the combat step where your man gets chumpblocked by an STE or somethingman you must hate worldfire huh even though the jhoira player has you dead to rights
>>97299810If you just want to draw monster cards, this guy's got you covered.
>>972998233 card combo implies that you need to have randomly drawn three cards. This is two cards, one of which is the commander, so it's really just one card. 3 perpanents, I suppose, but just need to actually draw one card.
>>97299830yep, as i suspected, you really really really hate worldfire
>>97299823To be clear, I don't actually care about MLD. I think that's a pregame discussion thing, my consern is the lije in the sand that seems to have been drawn completely randomly between what local retard Gav has decided is MLD and isn't.
What are ways to get like.. fuckin.. 20+ lands out by turn 5-6? 7 at the latest? I wanna make a stupid deck where I just sac all my lands to nuke the table
>>97299839>my consern is the lije in the sand that seems to have been drawn completely randomly between what local retard Gav has decided is MLD and isn't.you are correct that all this basically hinges on what gavin defines MLD as, because he took the pussy way out and refused to make a separate banlist for the MLD he hates, or even to simply add said MLD to the GC listmy point is worldslayer is just a worse version of worldfire - and we all know the reason why worldfire was unbanned in the first place - and so people can use gavin's "intent" and claim that worldfire/worldslayer simply ends games when used optimally and not needlessly prolonging them
>>97299838No, I just recognise that it's the same as armegeddon and worldslayer. They destroy everyone's lands, therefore they are MLD. Local tard gav disagrees because because.
>>97299855>They destroy everyone's lands, therefore they are MLDi take it you've backread enough to have read gavin's definition of MLD? because it's not as simple as that, tremble isn't MLD
>>97299853>MLD is too strong and mean, so bracket 4 only>MLD that ends games? That doesn't need a bracket.>other things that win games? Bracket 3.
How much better would this card be?
>>97299860Right, everyone saccing one land isn't mld, that's fairly reasonable. I think someone earlier said like 5 or so lands from everyone is mld?
>>97299868gavin defines it as>"regularly" destroy, exile, and bounce other lands, keep lands tapped, or change what mana is produced by four or more lands per player without replacing them.
>>97299861>MLD that ends games? That doesn't need a bracket.imagine being THIS afraid of lili
>>97299872Putting aside whether it's stupid or not, worldslayer and worldfire qualify for that perfectly.
>>97299872So why is blood moon MLD then? Surely you're not playing more than 4 nonbasics in your bracket 2 deck?
>>97299886worldslayer doesn't fit that because again, it's not "regular", nobody kvetches over liliana btwworldfire does but unlike other MLD there's a case to be made that it's a wincon with jhoira because it brings people's lives to 1
>>97299889gavin doesn't distinguish between basics and nonbasics; he will rag on tsunami and boil just as much as blood moon
>>97299881Planeswalker ultimates are generally exempt from these rules because if literally any of them go off you typically just win on the spot, no reason to exclude any particular type.
>>97299899>PW ults win on the spot>but an indestructible commander with worldslayer somehow doesn't win you the game
>>97299890What makes something "regular" then, cause it seems pretty regular to me.
>>97299901It wins you the game, but it's slow, telegraphed, often requires 3 or more cards and multiple turns of setup. Which is fine. Literally just go read the bracket announcements and they will explain very clearly what they want every bracket to be like.
>>97299905Something that explodes all lands once and then ends the game cannot be regular. Nobody in the planet is going to loop Worldfire.
>>97299908>Nobody in the planet is going to loop Worldfire.Aight, bet.
>>97299907Is picral banned/restricted then? Cause him + any planeswalker with an ult allows for that planeswalker to ult immediately.
>>97299852Idk probably something with Lumra.
>>97299852Wait, there's cards that turn lands into creatures. Are there effects/abilities that turn creatures into lands...? Cuz I can then just make a shitload of tokens, turn them into lands, then set off the fucking nuke
>>97299905>What makes something "regular" thenarmageddon destroys all lands w/o fussworldslayer will only do so if you have a creature that swings and isn't blocked and isn't interacted in ways that are much more common than giving your lands indestructible>>97299907i'm pro worldslayer btw
>>97299908If isn't an instant/sorcery it absolutely can be looped. Worldslayer is the loopiest of loops cause you don't have to do anything but attack.If what you're actually saying by "regular" is that it doesn't win the game, fine, I guess, but then back to >>97299861
>>97299915Oh shit.>8 cards where the text includes “return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield”Thanks for the heads up, completely forgot about that line of text
>it's another thread where people misunderstand the difference between MLDestruction and MLDenial
>>97299925That by no means is a reasonable definition of "regular", but if the argument is just "by itself w/o any other support", that's fair-- but then it should include worldfire
>>97299941What IS the difference?
>someone puts an activated ability on the stack>Kill the thing that used the ability in response >Haha it's on the stack so it still resolves
>>97299942>but then it should include worldfireit does include it technically speaking, but again, a case can be made for it as an exception because it's a wincon with jhoira via all life = 1, something no other MLD doesyou may not buy that argument, but that's literally how worldfire is used ever since it was unbanned and no one complains about it
>>97299941A distinction without a difference when it comes to bracket placement
>>97299941That's not what's happening though. What happening is figuring out what and why supreme tard overlord Gav thinks is mld that isn't, and vis versa.
>>97299926>If isn't an instant/sorcery it absolutely can be loopedYes but why would you. Everyone's life total is 1. Nobody has any lands or hands. What is the POINT of looping it
>>97299941Blame Gavin/whoever the fuck decided that changing a 30 year old term was a good idea. MLD has been "destruction" since I was a young child, looking at my dad's Beta Armageddon
>>97299947Yes? That is how this game works. Do you also berate chess players because towers can't actually move and it's unrealistic that a queen beats up armies of peasants?
>>97299947>someone throws a grenade at you>you shoot him>the grenade lands on your feet>you die anyway
>>97299969Woah slow down with the stax.
>>97299969that flavor text is the very definition of stax
>>97299955That same as looping any mld: being a dick
>>97299973Bugged life mechanics
>>97300001it wouldn't do anything. everyone's life totals are at 1 and they're in topdeck mode. what are you going to do, make their life 1 harder?
>>97299947I remember yugioh's anime telling me destroying a spell negated the effect. then booted up a game and constantly got mad spell cards kept resolving.
>>97299917>turning creatures into lands This is much more rare than the opposite.All I could find was picrel which would require you to build your deck around Saprolings, Ashaya who only works on nontoken creatures, and Metalbender Toph who makes all artifacts (including creatures) count as lands.
>>97300014yugioh was manga first, card game secondthey were literally making up the rules as they went
>>97299947A thing needs to happen for you to react to it anon.
>>97300018how about this guy
>>97300018>>97299917Yedora as well, and you'll likely have sac outlets so it'd be easy to do.
>>97300025That plus life and limb means you can sac your lands/creatures infinitely. Get a free sac outlet and go to town.
>>97300025Love Yedora but she seems tough to integrate as a synergy piece for a different commander. It's only your nontoken creatures, you need to have a way to draw, play, and sac a lot of them to get to what you actually want (the extra lands), and the cards that work best in a Yedora deck (ones who can flip themselves back over to return to creature mode) are not the ones that are gonna synergize best with Hearthhull's gameplan.
>>97300025>It’s a Forest land.Wait so I can sac a creature, make it come back as a land, turn that land into a creature (it's not a token) and sac it again, to make it come back again, over and over? That sounds like my kinda fucking JANK
>>97299865>Earthbend 3Unironically a significant buff over Nissa's printed ability >t. just cubed with said Nissa and Earthbend in the same deck
>>97300014They should make an EDH anime. But instead of teenagers fighting dragons and corporations or whatever, it's just a bunch of dudes in their 30's getting into petty rule arguments.
>>97300056there is a manga like that currenly/just finished running that is similar in concept. accept its 2 japanese kids in the 90s.
>>97300062>acceptexcept, fucken esl here WEEE GOOOOO
>>97299852>ramp out a bunch of lands>tap out to create a bunch these>sac all lands + all dryads created It's alllllll coming together.
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>>97300103Slowpoke. >>97300018
>>97300103isn't this MLD? straight to b4
>>97300056The Manga of this is called Destroy all Humans but it's about 90s 60 card format magic, not EDH
ice age was peak magic
>>97300091ashaya is an extremely powerful card with quirion ranger
>a turtle in every pack
>>97300147ashaya is an extremely powerful card in general. I frequently use it to draw 20 cards off of greater good
https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/646029/magic-marvels-spider-man-eternal-legal-spider-man-2099-miguel-ohara?Language=English&page=1why is this worth so much? I have one I was given for free
>>97300153Because of this icon, something about "only available in special boosters", much like the Avatar cards with the flier icon
>>97299865Earthbend is a fantastic and fair way to actually make lands matter decks and it only took them 35 years to think it up and we won't see a single new card with it for 4 years minimum. In the meantime expect at least 50 new landslop cards that Do Thing When Play Land.
>>97300149This thread is going to be miserable when this set starts getting spoiled.
>>97300178>In the meantime expect at least 50 new landslop cards that Do Thing When Play LandYou mean like Landfall? That they've been printing for like 15 fucking years??
>>97299941Yes, and those people are all on WOTCs staff.Really though, Gavin and the other fags perfectly understand there is a massive difference not just between destruction and denial, but non-basic and basic too. Thing is that they don't know how to create interesting/strong mono-2 color commanders without evolving the color pie by giving every color fair access to game fundamentals, so they just keep pushing 3+ color commanders and enough multicolored lands to support them so that anyone who has a complaint that Orzhov or Red can't keep up with ramp and draw can just be dismissively told "splash blue/green instead bro" before they proceed to bitch and cry how every combination with G/U is a boring hyper efficient slop pile.
is morph fun? or is it like mutate and gets boring after 2 games?
>>97297526>Retard makes 15+ mana at once>Hmm why did everyone get annoyed
>>97300201>yeah maybe every color should be able to counter some spells>let's make hybrid spells so that mono colors can have something they normally can't>*autistic screeching intensifies*where were you when the autists were kvetching about muh color pie?
>>97300216morph has absolutely amazing support, that said I feel like I'd never want to run any actual morph creatures
>>97300228The vocal portion of this game's playerbase are 90% retards who wouldn't know good game design if it fucked them in the ass.
Underrated ramp
correct every color should have "destroy target enchantment" BUT>black pays life>red discards a card>green ?>white ?>blue sacs a landetc
>>97300286Wrong
>>97300286That has been white identity since primordial times.
i don't think blue should be the only color that can destroy instants and sorceries>but black can discard themwotc can't even be assed to make edh variants of thoughtseize/unmask/persecute
>>97300296>No it's not enough I can see someone's entire hand. I also need my 1-drop to babysit me and tell me who I need to target!More evidence black mana makes you retarded.
>>97300310I just want to thoughtseize and see everyone's hand, remove someone's counterspell, play around another player's removal, then combo off, is that too much to ask?
early magic had: blue counterspellsblue vs red counterspellsred vs blue counterspellsgreen vs black counterspellblack vs green counterspell
>>97300201This man has strong opinions on hybrid mana, I bet
Can't wait to play Fiend Artisan in my mono black commander.
>buy Ajani, Nacatl Pariah>find out that this printing existsGod DAMN ITOf all the art of Ajani I missed the one where he's extremely cute and hot
>>97300456Ok furry
>>97300345Hybrid mana - like a lot of bad design in this game - is a bandaid to try and fix the myriad of design problems magic has as a result of being an outdated game created by autists who were excellent at the actual rules of the game but total retards when it came to design, which is a common theme for nerd trail blazers. That's about my extent of thoughts on hybrid mana, it's just one of a myriad of design flaws the developers have to rely on to keep the creaky rusted out machine called Magic the Gathering groaning on long enough to net them all a healthy retirement off fleecing the middle aged paypiggies who still slurp this game up.
He just sits there, menacingly
>>97297202How are you getting this Krenko that high so fast in mono red? Mana rock as hard as possible into Aggravated Assault and Neheb stuff with Krenko?
>>97298564Compleating him sucked ass. Better than stuff like Koma being compleated off screen but still lame.
>>97298731The text says the token's mana value so I believe that should count towards devotion.
>had old college commander buddies out this weekend>they brought some decks they apparently play occasionally in their local scenes>yuriko cloning cheating bullshit into play >hakbal with shit like The One Ring in it >Celes with persist creatures I can't believe I was stupid enough to think my optimized b2 Dino deck was going to too strong for the table.
>>97300456Based.There will be Ajani / Windgrace teamup card on RF and the special edition printing is going to be furrybait. Its going to be purrrrrfect
>>97300456>there are still no Naya/Sultai/Abzan planeswalkerslol
>>97300456You're a dirty faggot, I play stax. We are not the samehttps://moxfield.com/decks/UuhvErllfUaXlZGRl7tOUQ
why isn't anyone talking about the lorwyn reveals?is it because it's not universes beyond?
>>97300842Correct. Everyone here is Fortnite-brained.
>>97300842Where?
https://moxfield.com/decks/zHyHk2yb0UOvq5sNxBfmAQHow can I fix this deck? I run out of gas very quick and have trouble ramping.The mana base is what In need to improve, any tips in general?
>When you really want to fuck over exact;y one player.
>>97300909get lands that come into play untapped. yes they are expensive. proxy them if you want. ramping in black and white vampire tribal doesnt really work I think. you play your stuff and try to use the draw engines that are available to black and white
>>97300954>Not making copies to fuck over 2 playersPump up those numbers rookie.
>>97300509I keep wondering if I should be playing this guy in Edric. 3 mana is too much for a flyer and too much for a counterspell, but I'm getting both.I always feel like I never have enough of either, too.
>>97300464>paypiggiesUh oh UBschizo melty
>>97300842We're getting biomes.
>>97300842No one's posting them.
New Ability word Vivid.
New Rhys
>>97301261Thank god. 5c slop really needed the support.
>>97301253fetchable!
>>97301273You'll be able to stay in 2 colors with the new cards.
>>97301277yea but who cares, it enters tapped
>>97301288A typal focus.
>>97301285Oh yeah, just like the surveil lands, which are certainly just as useless... right?
More typal cards.
>>97301221Three mana is worth it just for the mindfuckery that it can induce on the table. Sure there are cheaper drops but they came with either more activation requirements or restricted target.
>>97301261NOT. MY. BOGGART.
>>97301288Another Oko
Yeah I'm not feeling it so far...
>>97301309>>97301299>>97301292>>97301288damn this shit looks epicokay now that ive made one non-whinge post the rest of you can reply saying how awful and terrible and horrible and ugly you think it looks
>>97301406I'm just waiting for them to make the hybrid mana change official
>>97300313Quite literally yes what an absurd card youre asking for>I just want a casual. 3 for 1 all the time cause duh!
>>97300464>rely on>its hardly usedWhat another retarded post wow. You people have way too many opinions opinions no brains to back them up
>>97301429Who said i want a 3for1I just want to see each opponents hand and take one card i dont like from one of them and play around othersreading conprehension is low nowadays
>>97301446You did anon :) work on clarity before getting mad at others for not keeping up with your drivel. Thankfully such a poorly designed card will never be printed.
>>97301467>caught being illiterate? Just double down!Lol
>>97301412):
>>97301292A Cathar's Crusade in not painful! It'll probably end up being worse in play, but at least you don't wanna kill yourself while playing it.
>>97301496We already had Cathers at home
>>97301294surveil lands give you a land drop AND the effect of surveilfor those new ones you have to chose. either you get a slow land or you cycle. which is probably an ok effect but if you compare that to surveil lands...lol
>all these generic value slop cards In Lorwyn God I hate power creep
>>97301561That shit is even more painful than Cathar's. At least the new card is a proper anthem, not the worst of both.
>>97301578Still the fourth best cycle to fetch in those colours and the best budget option. Enemy colour pairs have a horrible selection of fetchable lands cause they didn't get either the cycle lands or battle lands until recently. But for some reason surveil lands were released as a full cycle.
>>97301578If this were true the triomes would be $2 each and not $20. Having land types itself makes a land so much better and being able to use it to draw if you get it later in the game is never not good.
>>97301759fun fact: triomes have 3 land types!!!!
>>97301778Yes obviously you drooling retard. Having two land types is still really strong and nice to have. You "people" are so annoying
>>97301709>Get spin down, spin it up every time a creature enters.>Remove it at end of turn Yeah. Super painful to track and exactly the same as the other anthem.
>>97301931No, Goldnight Commander only gives that bonus to creatures already on the battlefield each time a creature enters, so you'll have a different number on each subsequent creature. Kinbinding itself tracks the number and provides the same bonus to all your creatures.
>>97301292>>97301309>unironically using TypalNice try EDHREC shill, this a Tribal basket weaving forum, yer kind arenìt allowed here.
>>97301496etb doublers wouldnt trigger this, would they?
>>97302314No
>>97301406I guess il finally make a elf deck. Weee
>Woah man. Are you trying to win? That's kinda stinky"
Surveil lands are over valued
>Woah man. Are you afraid of losing? That's kinda stinky"
>Woah man. Are you opening a can of Surströmming? That's kinda stinky"
>Woah man. Is that a proxy? That's kinda stinky"
>>97302505not really. if they weren't fetchable i'd agree but as it stands they're pretty good
>Woah, man. Is your five-month-old puppy having some issues voiding her anal glands? That's kinda stinky"
Good morning I hate internet moderators
>>97302563What he means is that the prices of surveil lands stem from their scarcity and not their power level, because who even opened MKM aka Cluedo
>>97302643>black angelthe ride never stops!
Bros, why doesn't it say "until end of turn"?
>>97302806The flicker player has decided that nobody else gets to play the game.
>>97302806>more coward supportYES FUCKS YES
>>97300517Some general small +whatever/+ whatever auras just to start, and effects like picrel once I have a few goblins.
>>97302638with the amount of chase rares it had, a lot of people
>>97302853>mkm sold well guys!Ok mark
>>973028067 mana should fuck your day up.
>>97300909Run more lands.In order to ramp you need to actually have ramp in the deck.Replace your "whenever you gain life" effects with creatures that draw you cards when they enter/die, or sac outlets that draw you cards.Overall the deck is unfocused. You need to choose two of aristocrats, vampires, and lifegain, and only build around those two, ideally lifegain aristocrats cause tribal is trash.
>>97301496This is so much worse then cathars crusade.I legitimately will never understand the dice argument. How are people that fucking incapable?
>Oh wow, look at my shiny new monogreen card!
>>97302912having a board with 20 creatures with 12 different amounts of counters on them. it isnt about brainpower its about cluttering and keeping track of who blocks what where with what how and why.
>>97302912If you are just using dice to: represent a token, amount of tokens, AND amount of counters on them, it gets annoying for anyone including the person running cathers to track and let's not pretend otherwise
>>97302922If you were concerned about clutter you wouldnt be playing the decks that crusade slots into to begin with
>>97301261>sorcereruhhhh warlock bros? Is our time nearing the end
>>97302916I summon the mighty azorius reckoner
>the retards are crying over hybrid mana againYour tears nourish me
>>97302916Playing this in a monocolor deck would only be harmful to youunless that was the joke and I'm stupid
>>97302946You've been able to play this in an azorius deck in every other format for years anon. >t-those formats don't matterThey did when the card you posted was printed so don't use it as an arguement.
>>97302935it only takes a game or two to realize the mistake.that or its just as a game ender so keeping track hardly matters.
>>97301261>>97302936Why the fuck did we need ANOTHER granular ass magic caster creature type? Is that what they are replacing shaman with?
Boros lifegain Discover. Interesting. the only thing is that most lifegain decks are very incremental, and use very small bodies, so I doubt most decks are going to top deck into anything actually worrying.
>>97303025Aetherflux Reservoir
>>97303025I don't know if I want to just put this in my boros pia nalaar deck or just build and entire new deck for this. She does seem fun
>>97302970Those formats don't have color restriction rules baked right in. The restrictions MAKE the format they define it. Can you imagine if pauper just said "Okay, but actually you can have like 4 uncommons" it wouldn't be pauper anymore.
>>97302998>make an announcement that they're consolidating creature types because it's gotten out of control>triple the amount of creature types afterwardsWhat in the FUCK did Wizards mean by this???
>>97303025>Stoutarm expanded universeNeat, wonder if she's his sister.
>>97303025I may build this. I really want a boros deck but haven't found anything I care about, and really want a lifegain deck.
>>97303084I would have assumed daughter, because we all know Brion FUCKS.
>>97303025>Boros lifegain Discover. Interesting.lolperhaps even lmao
>>97303063Rules don't exist in of themselves. The hybrid mana change aligns with the purpose of color identity, which is to have decks only do things in their color's ballpark. If you play Ghalta, you get to do green things. If you play Urza, you get to do blue things. Hybrid cards are meant to fit into either color, so they are "thing that color can do" and thus naturally fit into any commander that includes their color.
>>97303025This is a pretty tight rope to walk in a lifegain deck. Making sure your discover triggers aren't crashing into cheap enablers like Soul Warden while still playing enough of them to enable it seems challenging.
>>97303107Are you on the payroll, or do you suck corporate cock for free?The color restriction is integral to what commander is. Changing that would be like saying any card can be your commander, or you can have more than 100 cards per deck, or up to four of any card per deck. These restrictions are what make commander what it is, no argument of "but it doesn't REALLY change the effects you have access to!!" will change that. A blue card does not belong in a nonblue deck, period.
>>97303136I mean, you can make that work if you want to be THAT much of a THAT GUY
>>97303163I am saying that this rule aligns closer with the SPIRIT of color identity (preventing you from using effects that aren't of your color) because a R/W card is supposed to FIT INTO BOTH COLORS
>>97303189That's nice. Go give Gav your sloppy, or gets yours from him as payment, whatever you've worked out.
>>97303107Then what about modal cards? Why can't I run those in decks one is the color of. It's the same argument.And if that's the case why can't I run a green creature with a blue ability in a green deck?
>>97303197>Then what about modal cards? Why can't I run those in decks one is the color of. It's the same argument.Because they will let you access the things of the other color.>And if that's the case why can't I run a green creature with a blue ability in a green deck?Because they will let you access the things of the other color.
>>97303219That's what hybrid cards do anon
>>97303025>do thing draw cardno, not interesting in the slightest
Weren't they supposed to show the entire commander decklist today too or is that tomorrow?
>>97303189Why can't I play this in literally any deck, anon? It's has no abilities after all, so every deck should have access to it, right?
>>97303235No, barring a handful of color pie breaks (which exist for literally every class of cards and every color in the game). The ENTIRE POINT of hybrid card design is that they give you things either color can access.A hybrid G/W card does things both G and W could already do on their own and is supposed to slot into either type of monocolor deck without causing any balance issues.
>>97303256"effects" are not abilities. It has an effect, a green effect (being a vastly overstatted creature for its mana cost). This is in the ballpark of green. White and blue and red and black don't get it.
>>97303258No anon. Its a silly change that will ruin commander.Just like Vehicles being able to be commandersand whatever was before that is going to do!
>>97303265Having high stats isn't an effect, that's not what effects mean, but putting that aside, I couod have put any number of draft chaff vanilla creatures there and the same question could be asked.>>97303258So I can run this in my black deck, right? And beast within?
>>97303025I like her, I will probably build her, but I can't shake the mental of her chucking those lambs over the horizon
>>97302998>Is that what they are replacing shaman with?Yes because somehow shaman is RAYCISTcleric wizard warlock sorcerer druid is what it's going to be moving forward
>>97303292>So I can run this in my black deck, right? And beast within?No. These are blue and green cards meant to be used by blue and green decks. Hybrid mana cards are meant to be used by EITHER deck that fits their color.>Having high stats isn't an effect, that's not what effects mean, but putting that aside, I couod have put any number of draft chaff vanilla creatures there and the same question could be asked.And it still would be a dumbfuck question because these creatures are statted for their color and mana cost.
>>97303241>do thing>discovercmon man.
>>97303196>"you beat me in an argument? go ahead and buy wotc product then you fucktard" the poor proxyfag says
>>97303025>4cmmcLiterally unplayable as a boros commander
>>97303314>this removal card was meant for this color because... it just is, okay?!>this 1/1 is stated differently then this other 1/1Your argument just can't hold up to scrutiny and you're desperate for excuses. Mine is very simple: if it has a color your commander doesn't, you shouldn't be allowed to play it, just as it has always been.
>>97303344>Mine is very simple: if it has a color your commander doesn't, you shouldn't be allowed to play it, just as it has always beenOh, so all Devoid cards should be able to be included in all decks?
>>97303355Nta but yes
>>97303344>>this removal card was meant for this color because... it just is, okay?!because it was PRINTED WITH THAT COLOR AND CAN ONLY BE CAST WITH THAT COLOR you dumbfuckPic related CAN BE CAST WITH EITHER COLOR AND SHOULD GO INTO EITHER DECK
Aside from the face commanders I'm not seeing anything worth building around so far.
>>97303355>has the mana pipNo, just as colorless cards with abilities that cost colored mana. If it has a color on the card that is not on your commander, it doesn't go into the deck.
>>97303367You're including mana pips? Not very simple then huh?Your tears when hybrid is announced will be glorious
>>97303367If mana pips are the reason for the rule, hybrid cards, who have mana pips explicitly codified in the rules of the game as "either/or," should be treated as "either/or."
BEHOLD
>>97303362>SHOULD GO INTO EITHER DECKThat's wrong though. If it has white it shouldn't go in green and because it has green it shouldn't go in white, only w/g+
>come home>find your wife getting so rail roaded by niggers that even Riley Reid would blush.>it's okay, my vagina is able to take black dicks just the same as white dicks>tell her that it's not the point, it wasn't supposed to be any additional dicks, let alone nigger dicks.>she just laughs and tells you to shut up, and no she will not sign divorce papers, it just this way now. Deal with it.This is all of you saying the hybrid changes are good or "not a big deal"
>>97303394And yet it will, because Gavin said so hahahaha
>>97303380The mana cost may be either/or but the actual colour identity on the stack/field/grave is always each color. Yes it's weird being able to have a gruul card in an izzet deck and goes against the spirit of the format
>>97303397Mtg is nothing more than a bunch of mechanics.Stop being parasocial you weird fuck.
>>97303380You can pay either or, but the cards themselves are both colors.>>97303376>you're including the color identity of the card in the card's color identity? That's not simple!
>>97303385Can't wait to put this in mono-u sakashima
>>97303397>Pushes his interracial cuck fantasy into an argumentSeek help
>>97303397I don't speak BBC can you translate this to a food analogy instead?
>>97303385Slots right into my monored goblins deck.
>>97303136You only care about lifegain on your turn so I don't think you run soul sisters
In the future people will only play izzet commander
>>97303408>You can pay either or, but the cards themselves are both colorsSo Mountains should go into any deck, since they're all colorless.
>>97303408We never said our case was simple, but your kvetching at being caught is hilarious
>>97303385Monoblack Conspiracy here we go.
>>97303423That's more relevant to green than red dumbass
>>97303385 you're paying all this mana to remove one permanent?
>>97303424Basic lands have colored pips in the text box despite it not being written on very many of them. That's still against the rules with the hybrid change.
>>97303428And I said my case was very simple, and it is. Your petty bs about color pips not being part of the card's identity is completely and totally retarded. The truth is obvious and simple. But you turn away and throw a fit cause it would mean accepting that the other side of the argument is more principled, easy to understand, nonconvoluted, simple better.
>>97303453I'm not the one throwing a fit here over the impending hybrid change fyi
ARGUE THIS HYBRIDSHILL
>>97303424A mountain has a color identity of red because it has the ability "tap: add R". Again, color identity is core to what edh is, so that's what was and should continue to be considered when talking about what should be allowed in decks.
>>97303459Your all caps responses would suggest otherwise.
>>97303473They're going to ban this lmao
>>97303482>he thinks that's meLol ngmi
>>97303473>Posts a non-hybrid cardYou are dumb. Really dumb.
>>97303482Sorry, you're both throating gav's microdick so much it's hard to tell.
>>97303473That's a poor argument as it's not exclusively hybrid.
>>97303473This isn't a hybrid card in both halves.
They didn't forgot about companion, right?
>>97303521Oh, look my new monoblack/monowhite deck. Can't have both since it's either/or after all. Oopsies.
>>97303197Because hybrid was designed to played in either deck while modal cards were designed to played in its two colors to maximize its effects.
>uh oh the troons are defending gender iden- i mean color identity again
>>97303521I'm looking forward to putting Umori in the 99 of various black or green decks.
>>97303529it's either white, black, or orhzov as needed
Going to laugh at all the chimps in this thread when the rules inevitable get changed. There has not been a single rules change in the history of the game that didn't result in some nerds getting assblasted.
>>97303569Remember when the only commanders allowed were those shitass elder drsgons you literally never casted?
So are we just going to ignore the text box here?
>>97303569Still waiting for them to bring back mana burn and damage on the stack.
>>97303580This card literally is not covered by the hybrid mana change so it doesn't matter
>>97303586If they brought mana burn you wouldn't even notice.
>>97303397Surely this post is satire.
>>97303521>>97303551>*kills ur mono W commander
>>97303592Yeah this. I struggle to imagine a point where mana burn was even relevant in any games I played. Nobody taps lands they're not going to use.
About time monogreen got some upgrade.
>>97303601Field of the Dead makes black (and un-doombladeable) tokens in any color of deck already. This isn't new
>>97303601Some whites are welcome in da hood duh
>>97303592I just want it back so Mana Drain functions as it was designed.
>>97303601>>97303529>>97303551Why would anyone bother arguing in a thread full of people who fundamentally misunderstand the proposed change?
>>97303607Krenko? The biggest winner in all this.
>>97303618I'm just waiting for them to cry and actually attempt to rule zero away the new changes, it will be peak comedy
>>97303613Mana Drain didn't give a fuck about mana burn even back then>oh my I lose 1, maybe 2 life when I cast my counterspell that is also a humongous ritual!
>>97303607New shusher.
>>97303638
>>97302912It's better when you make many tokens with haste or attacking with many triggers, but that's probably not good enough to offset the huge downside. But I only expressed how it's less painful than Cathar's Crusade, not that it's better.
>>97303631It doesn't matter how it works in practice, I only care that it was designed with the intent of mana burn as a potential downside. Dark Ritual is another card I want mana burn back for, without it there's no reason for it to be a black effect.
>>97303662Yeah and that downside literally did not matter ever. It's the entire reason mana burn got axed; they tested games without it, and then realized it simply never actually came into practice in any of them.
>>97303638>>97303647We truly are at the end of FIRE design.
>>97303670It doesn't matter if it comes up, I want it for flavor reasons.
Make hybrid cards accessible in mono color only. Thats it. Thats all you have to do. Mono color needs more support than anything else.
>>97303684Having it or not having it will be the same, so either way there won't be any flavor.
>>97303626Naw, it won't affect me regardless cause I actually have friends and we play together regularly. We all think it's a retarded change, because it is.
>>97303693Needlessly complicated. It's fine the way it is and would be worse with any change.
>>97303684What even is the flavor of mana burn?
>>97303638Hexing is going to cost so much
>>97303551>it's either/or!>Only white or black!>That's the whole intension, and intension is what matters!>Nooo!!! Not like that!!!
I don't like that Ashling is wubrg now.
>>97303722Drawing too much mana hurts you if it isn't used in a spell.
>>97303746Yeah but when was that actually a thing in lore for it to be flavor? I genuinely cannot think of a single time where this was a concern for any character.
>>97303638Thank fuck they didn't put Legendary on that fucker.
>>97303695Explain how rituals are in Black's color pie if they can't hurt you.
>>97303775Black gets mana generation. Not EVERYTHING black does is "power at a price."
>>97303775Because Black is one of the colors that gets ramp...?
>>97303775They are no longer in blacks color pie they are now red.
>>97303722energy that's not used for work is dissipated as heatthermodynamics 101
>>97303638>>97303647CEDH staple
>>97303863First time seeing a card during spoiler windows I feel compelled to buy, is the general rule of thumb to pre-order ASAP or wait and hope prices fall?
>>97303910Yes buy it now. Invest. Number go up always. Think of the economy
>>97303910It's a rare, wait for prices to fallThis is a cedh card anyways you dont have casual timmies to contend with
New thread?
Did WotC actually change hybrid mana today or is this the same stupid argument from when they said they "might" do it?
>>97304088Afaik it's still just a might, no foreward movement, presumidly cause of the huge pushback against it, and probably the committee agreeing with the backlash.
>>97304088It's going to be changed at the same time the new set releases. Just like the new vehicles as commanders rule was officially implemented when EoE released.
On the subject of htbrid mana: why isn't >>97303408, or rather extort in general, orzhov? Why does the ability not count towards color identity? It's in the rules text of the card meaning it's what the ability does if it was written out in full, so why doesn't it contribute to color identity is the same way other abilities do?
>>97304133Because edh color identity was invented by trannies for trannies
>>97304110>Ree save me Gavin cards that can go into mono colored decks in other formats will work the same in commander, how unforgivable!
>>97304122Link to confirmation?
>>97304133Its not in the rules text, it's reminder text. Reminder text, well, reminds you of how a rule works, its not actually part of the card's rules, hence why it's in italic. So it doesn't count.
>>97304133>Why does the ability not count towards color identity?Same reason why you can run arid mesa in an orzhov deck. "Plains" is not part of color identity, and neither is reminder text.All of cares about is the colored pips on the card.
>>97304152But the reminder is exactly what the ability does, is IS the rules text, unless you can show me what the rules text is?>inb4 the rules text is "extort"Right, like how lifelink is lifelink, but the actual rules text is "when this creature deals damage you gain that much life".
>>97304165The text "mountain" is not a color identifier. The symbol of orzhov is.
>>97304183https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/444/sorin-of-house-markov-sorin-ravenous-neonatePoint to the mana symbols in the card's text.
>>97304165But a keyword, like Lifelink or Hexproof, or extort, is just shorthand for a larger ability. It's text that says "remember that ability? That's this one, that full ability is here, we just aren't gunna write it all our cause it takes uo too much space." So the mana pip IS on the card, in the ability, even is you can't see it (which you literslly always can because there isn't a single card with extort that doesn't have reminder text).
>>97304183It really is that simple anon, rules text isn't reminder text. Keywords like Extort and Lifelink aren't arbitrarily "shortened" rules text, they constitute the full rules text of the card.It just never comes up with anything else because most keywords aren't tied to specific colors of mana.
>>97304203Image limit, sadly but it's right there.>>97304219Right, so what's the difference between rules texts and reminder text? And if I'm explaining to someone how an ability works, am I explaining the rules of the ability? Or am I reminding them of the-- uh.... I don't even know what rlese to call it but the rules of the ability.
>>97304239"From the glossary of the Comprehensive Rules(November 8, 2024)Reminder TextParenthetical text in italics in the text box of a card that summarizes a rule that applies to that card, but is not actually rules text and has no effect on play. See rule 207.2."Keywords are just that, words. The game rules explains what words mean in the context of the game, but the explanation is not printed on the card. A mana pip sourced in the rules document has no bearing on the color identity of a card.
>>97304268*but the explanation is not intended to be a part of the card's own rulesRealized this is more clear than saying it isn't "printed on the card", because sometimes it literally is
>>97304268>so pips dont count in reminder text because the rules say so>yes>that sounds pretty arbitrary>them's the rules>ok so if they were to change the rules to allow hybrid in monocolor->AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE
