Yu-Gi-Oh! General #592"how the fuck is this deck still meta" EditionPrevious thread: >>97236634Most Yu-Gi-Oh! discussion encouraged. Post OC, write dumb fanfics with bad CaC in them, duel each other, have fun, etc.>Yu-Gi-Oh! Online PlayAutomated Sims:●EDOPro website: https://projectignis.github.io/download.html●EDOPro: https://discord.gg/ygopro-percy●YGO Omega: https://discord.gg/duelistsunite●Dueling Nexus: https://duelingnexus.com/●Master Duel: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1449850/YuGiOh_Master_Duel/Manual Sims:●DuelingBook: https://www.duelingbook.com/>TCG Event Streaming●NA: https://www.youtube.com/user/OfficialYuGiOhTCG●EU: https://www.youtube.com/YuGiOhCardEU>Alternative Formats●Official: https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/play/alternate_format_tournaments/●Time Wizard Formats Reference: https://www.formatlibrary.com/●Genesys: https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/genesys/>Useful Links●Current Official Rulebook: https://img.yugioh-card.com/en/downloads/rulebook/SD_RuleBook_EN_10.pdf●Wiki: https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Yugipedia●Hypergeometric Probability Calculator: https://yugioh.party/●Stock Market: https://yugiohprices.com/●Database: https://www.db.yugioh-card.com/●For boomers: https://www.pojo.biz/board/forumdisplay.php?f=10>Decklists●OCG: https://roadoftheking.com●TCG: https://ygoprodeck.com/>News Sites●OCG: https://yugioh-starlight.com/●TCG: https://ygorganization.com/>Upcoming ReleasesOCG:●THE CHRONICLES DECK: Spirit Charmers (All-Foil Edition) (Jan 24)●Blazing Dominion (Jan 24)●Chaos Origins (April 25)TCG:●THE CHRONICLES DECK: Spirit Charmers (All-Foil Edition) (Jan 22)●Burst Protocol (February 5)●Maze of Muertos (February 19)>TQ: What do you think of the chronicles decks? Good deal for its price tag ($20) or inferior to structure decks ($12)?>TCaC: Give malicevorous some new cards.
Posted this in the last thread, but here it is again. Never played Genesys - how does this look?https://ygoprodeck.com/deck/rose-rikka-678749
So is the White Phantom Beast any good? If you're on Jet already, I feel like it replaces it. If you're not on Jet to minimise bricks, do you even play this?
>>97300226>seals target, magnamut target, mulcharmy targetYeah, I think you play it.
>>97300101It looks fine to me. One baseline question you wanna ask for Genesys is if it was good in 2021 (before Tearlaments came out) if handtraps weren't as prominent. It's not an ironclad rule since the format's still slightly biased towards newer stuff, but it's a decent enough guideline to follow.I do not like cactus bouncer being in that deck and I think you should kill yourself for running it
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/139547679
>>97300584>I do not like Cactus Bouncer but he cute
>>97300698Looks helpful thanks
>>97299566>TQClearly Konami knew this deck wasn't going to sell with just the charmer cards so they just slapped the Horus engine and Zombie Vampire in there to at least a few sales from people looking for cheap reprints.>TCACMalicevorous Plate[Rank 2/DARK/Fiend/XYZ]2+ Fiend-type monsterIf this card is XYZ Summoned: you can detach 1 material from this card; Send 1 Level 2 Fiend-type monster from your deck to your GY, then attach 1 Level 2 Fiend-type monster but with a different name as XYZ material to this card from your hand, deck or GY.This face up card gains the following effects for each "Malicevorous" monster with a different name that it has as XYZ material:●1+:This card gains 1900 ATK●2+:Send 1 "Malicevorous" monster from your hand or deck to the GY; Destroy cards on your opponent's field up to the number of "Malicevorous" monsters with different names attached to this card as XYZ material●3+: This card can attack thrice per turn each Battle Phase[ATK:1100/DEF:1000]Maybe there's a way to condense this text into something more reasonable and less of a clusterfuck but I don't wanna think too hard about it.
>>97301322I was planning on using this deck as my entry point into advancedIs it that bad?
>>97301434The charmers are, unfortunately, unplayably bad. The reprints are nice but there's no way you can turn the x3 structure into a fully playable deck.I'd recommend the Blue Eyes or Albaz structure decks since they can actually be pretty damn good as a x3 budget deck. If you have the cash to splurge you can also get the 5Ds Legendary Decks since they have the Mulcharmys and you get a bunch of notable staples that the other SDs don't have like Forbidden Droplets, Crossout Designator and Ghost Ogre.
What are the formats with the most deck diversity and fairness (many decks have a chance of winning against the meta)?>TQI like them and I'm going to keep buying them, but I think they should've been around $15 instead.Legendary decks are $31.99, and you get three plus other stuff.
>>97302100https://note.com/handshuffling/n/n18857c8600a1This one that was shilled just last thread, clearly
Well I finally found a store in my area that hosts yugioh, they said genesys was dead because the points update too often. Kind of a weird complaint if you ask me.
>>97301434Even if the deck had the new cards they announced for BLZD, it's still terrible.You go first and you set up a monster negate, and that's it. You go second and you bounce a card with the fusion (if you fuse with 3 charmers), then go for the selene>accesscode line for the OTK. Which is barely enough assuming you fuse it with two charmers so you can boost it to 2650 (plus the 600 from the spell you search), and swing into a empty field.Thankfully they're also including the horus monsters for extra muscle and R8NK plays, but the horus cards alone are way, way better than the charmer side of the deck, since they can discard your charmer bricks to bring themselves to the field and set up quintet magician (with magicalized fusion), who blows up the entire field and has a massive 4500 cock.
If there was a link 1 that required a level 1 monster as material and could tribute monsters to summon level 1 normal monster from deck, and a Rank 1 with can send 1 card to the grave from the deck no HOTP as a quick effect, would it be worth it to run 4 garnets to turn Scapegoats into a quad foolish?
>>97302294Sounds too good to be true. This format only misses a ritual deckWhat about a link format?
>>97302534>Kind of a weird complaint if you ask me.I heard that argument too, and it doesn't make sense imo.In theory, points being updated constantly make the game more balanced. In theory
>>97303369Maybe players are just unwilling to adjust point values>oh no I need to reconfigure>my deck is KILLED DEAD
>>97301434They got a few neat toys, but the fundamental problem that Konami has had with them is that they've been trying to weave together 4 functionally distinct series of cards (Charmers, Familiar-Possessed, their familiars, and Awakening of the Possessed) with multiple functionally identical copies of the same cards (that aren't very good) into one deck. I try to use the phrase "unplayable" sparingly, but it really is an unplayable setup. Were it up to me, I'd give them the Shining Sarcophagus/Millennium treatment, where they get a new wave of support that's either intertwined by a named card or just by associating them with "Charmer" cards or cards that mention them. That way you could give each of the girls (and Lyna/Dharc if you go that far) their own functionally distinct series of cards that are still connected.
>>97303369I can kind of see *an* argument for it since they need to reformat their decks once every month. But I imagine that the point list is gonna slow down a little bit in the future to once every couple of months instead so that things get time to bake.Also, they DO know that they're allowed to just do whatever the fuck they want with the point list as long as they aren't an OTS store, right? The 100 point cap is just a suggestion unless it's a sanctioned event, and they can just freeze the point list wherever they feel comfortable with it.
>>97303657>I imagine that the point list is gonna slow down a little bit in the futureIrc, they said every two months in the future.>they're allowed to just do whatever the fuck they want with the point listImagine most yugioh players playing something that isn't sanctioned by Konami. Impossible!There are only a few players that are willing to play something they agree by themselves
>>97303369The average Genesys player doesn't have a big collection of modern cards. Whenever their deck gets hit they have to buy new ones. Its just too much of a hassle even if they generally aren't that expensive on average.
>>97303369>refuse to hit the cards that actually move product while shitting on the cheap decks that don'tIt's literally the exact same issue that plagues advanced, BUT its players are getting gaped every single month instead of every 3-6 months.
>>97304195What the fuck are you talking about? They prehit Branded because of The Fallen & The Virtuous and slaughtered Dracotail in the last list.
Is exosisters an easy deck to play if I haven't played the game over 20 years?
>>97304939It's getting some more support in feb, so should be fine.
>>97299566Anyone have the kewl tune images from a couple threads back?
>>97302294Speaking about the issues this format has. Some people feel that Maxx "C" being present here would actually be healthy, as it would keep some crazy combo decks from going off without caring too much. Multiples copies of Formula Synchron and Librarian can enable some crazy things. Some people feel that the games in this format are often decided a bit quickly and by the luck of the draw, and that going first can make a lot of difference regarding who will win a match. It doesn´t help that some decks are able to comfortably play toxic floodgates like Gozen Match, Rivarly of Warlords, Skill Drain or Dimensional Fissure (Karakuri, HERO Beat, Six Samurai, Machina Gadget, Dark World) locking you out of the game. This kind of cards do not promote back and forth and just cut off every opportunity of counterplay for some other strategies that are not desgined to function under these cards, basically gatekeeping a lot of Rogue Tier decks. Dark World is also a meta deck that exist here and that can tilt some people for sure given how they operate. There aren´t many choices for your side deck against them besides D.D. Crow or Gemini Imps if you want to specifically hit them, but sometimes this is not enough and they can just use Deck Devastation Virus and /or Epidemic Erradicator Virus and not letting you play the game at all while they beat you to death. When they are not doing this, it means their hand is bad and full of monsters and they will just fall behind. So playing against them is unfun because you just autowin by not doing anything in particular while they are bricked or you can´t play at all under the Floodgates and Viruses.In summary, it´s very far from being a perfect format and it certainly won´t be enjoyable for many people, but it´s one of the best OCG history has to offer. People may not know but most OCG retro formats are commonly known for being utterly unbalanced. 1103 feels like an outlier when compared to the rest of them.
>>97303233The only popular Link Format is TOSS (october 2019). This format is dominanted by Thunder Dragon, Orcust, Sky Striker and Salamangreat. I´m not well versed on it, sadly.
>>97305550I knew it was too good to be true =/>Some people feel that Maxx "C" being present here would actually be healthy, as it would keep some crazy combo decks from going off without caring too muchI find it cool how OCG can adapt its formats, but I don't understand how these decisions are made.Still, I dislike using unhealthy cards to counter unhealthy strategy instead of directly hitting only these strategies. Maybe it's just my TCG brain.>often decided a bit quicklyHow quickly?>by the luck of the drawI'm not a competitive player, so I find it cool if a FEW games are decided by some luck top deck like in the anime>some decks are able to comfortably play toxic floodgatesFucking shit! But as expected of the OCG...>basically gatekeeping a lot of Rogue Tier decksThat doesn't sound good for a "diverse" format>Dark WorldIt's unfun to play against, but glasscannon decks do exist in many formats/tcg. After the years, I just accepted their existence.>People may not know but most OCG retro formats are commonly known for being utterly unbalancedYeah, OCG and its banlist work differently. I know I can expect the same mindset of the TCG from it, but if it's the most diverse/fair format I can get between the both of them, I'm fine with it.>>97305665I thought so. Sadly there are only four meta decks, and I don't know how viable are other archetypes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chljjTL_mzI&t=0Why don't they do this sort of shit anymore
ArtmageGODS, how are we feeling? The new support seems insane.
>>97305504Dig the archives or look them up on pixiv. The majority of the art is on twatter, but i genuinely couldn't tell you how to search for it there, it just shows up on my feed and there's no tags.
>>97307492You are posting a VOD from one year ago. I don't know what you're expecting.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/139602926https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/139613040https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/139604694Kentregina sex, Kitkallos groping, and Beyond+Electrumite paizuri
>>97302534>>97304195It's funny because people were butching about a lack of a points update before the most recent one despite it only taking a month and a half. Droll was one component, but they were grilling Radisnt Typhoon even with it not having all too many real tops.>>97303479Many seem to act like a card being even just 10 points makes it unplayable. Especially so once you hit the 15-20 mark.
>>97299566I'm a newb with 2610 gems to spend on Master Duel. What do I buy, structure decks? I've heard that buying packs can be pretty fruitless. Which structure decks are best? I already have a copy each of the Crimson Powerforce and a Blackwing's Pride decks. I much prefer control to aggro. Thx!
>>97307366> I dislike using unhealthy cards to counter unhealthy strategyOh. Make no mistake, in 2011 formats Maxx "C" is actually a very balanced card. It is designed specifically for this time period. In these formats the vast majority of decks can genuinely just stop their thing and prepare to do it again next turn and not lose due to it most of the time. Maxx "C" is not hitting at all decks like Dino Rabbit or HERO Beat as they don´t special summon that much, so Maxx "C" isn´t a must include for every matchup. Most of the time it woulnd´t give you more than 2 to 3 draws. The thing with "C" being broken in current times is that is a card from a very different era put in a world where you need to special summon to even breath and if you do not build a board ASAP, you will just be killed and if you still special summon, they will draw handtraps to make your boards less menacing and just kill you with every other card they drew. >How quickly?It depends. Some games are back and forth grind games, other games are not. Take a look at these replays to compare:https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=1271254-77903867https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=770332-78001803>Fucking shit! But as expected of the OCG...Eh...not different from TCG honestly. Floodgates have always been too strong.>That doesn't sound good for a "diverse" format8 meta decks definitely sounds better than 4 or 2 if you ask me>I'm not a competitive player, so I find it cool if a FEW games are decided by some luck top deck like in the animeYeah, there are some cards that you can top deck that can change results entirely like Monster Reborn, Dark Hole or other late game strong cards like Miracle Fusion
>>97308777The strongest structure decks are the RDA structure deck and the Raidraptor structure deck but since those are wombo combo decks they might not suit your preferred playstyle. You can try building Labrynth since Konami is doing that bundle thing with a bunch of packs and accesories. It's not going to be cheap but you can always craft the rest of the cards that you need and dismantle any URs/SRs that you won't play.Here's a "cheap" build with only 12 total URshttps://ygoprodeck.com/deck/labs-678642
The only way Yu-Gi-Oh can become popular again is if Konami actually embraces legacy formats and builds off of them instead of trying to make half assed measures like speed duels
>>97309876Legacy formats are not going to move the needle at all. The only people that ask for "old yugioh" are the people that don't want to play yugioh anyways because their only experience with the game is playground rules with a bunch of pack filler cards rather than an established meta with a fixed card pool.The moment these people run into a Reasoning Gate deck in GOAT they're dropping the game again.
>>97309195>The thing with "C" being broken in current times is that is a card from a very different era put in a world where you need to special summon to even breath and if you do not build a board ASAP, you will just be killed and if you still special summon, they will draw handtraps to make your boards less menacing and just kill you with every other card they drew.And most relevantly on this topic, it can be used when you have already established a board, and most established boards are already capable of killing the opponent, much less when given an extra turn. The Mulcharmies are divisive, but it is significantly harder for them to empower the going first player.>>97309898It's partly playground Yugioh players.Another is people who come in from other card games with in-built assumptions for how they should be, not really recognizing Yugioh is kinda a different genre of TCG.A third is people that are brand new, because while there are some fanmade intros out there, the official Konami stuff is really bad at teaching the modern game. Pretty much just leaving you on trial and error, with often difficult to parse feedback for someone who is new.Legacy formats at most address 1 and 2, and 1 will largely die off from being hit by decks like the Reasoning Gate you mentioned. 3 is honestly kinda put in a detrimental state because of a mix of older rulings not being communicated, erratas having cards do different stuff to what they say, etc.
>>97309876>Konami actually embraces legacy formats and builds off of themYes, but it needs to keep the game balanced and fix the casual player problem in the TCG. The problem is that Konami doesn't know how to do those>speed duelsBut I like it...
>>97310328One of the actual problems of Retro Formats is the fact...that the banlist are not enough. A lot of retro formats just hit crazy cards from past periords while some other cards that are busted remain untouched. The banlists were not perfect, so they often make things easier for some strategies.Now. Retro Format players dislike customb banlists a lot, they just want to experience things as they were, so there is not much that can be done realistically.
>>97309876You cannot have both. Konami put Time Travel format in place of Time Wizard so that new players could get onboarded through those older formats with the current rulings so that they wouldn't have to learn multiple different versions of the same game, but wizardfags threw a hissy fit because they don't get ignition priority against Trap Hole anymore. Go fuck yourself.
>>97311096As a retro format player. I personally think lack of Ignition priority is actually cool. The issue with modern rullings applying to old formats it´s the fact the banlist is not designed around it. It doesn´t make any sense to have Crush Card Virus banned or Future Fusion at 1 if they are heavily nerfed, at the same time, cards like Ryko become stronger. The lack of Ignition priority also means that cards like Book of Moon, Bottomless Trap Hole and Compulsory Evacuation Device are stronger. If they want to do this Time Travel thing using an old cardpool and board with modern rullings, then the banlist should adapt and not be the same as it was at the time, because some problem cards are not a problem anymore due to erratas and some less threatening cards are now stronger with either lack of priority or new erratas.
>>97311169That's not a statement I disagree with. A lot of post-errata banned cards freaking stink and shouldn't be on those lists at all.
>>97308506That's electrumite? I thought it was marincess blue tang.
>>97308777 nice numbersif you're new to the game you should always start with a meta deck (dracotail right now, yummy in 2 days but it's expensive since the pre-hits force you to run either solfachord or mitsubishi), and aim for diamond rank at the very least so you can earn more resources to acquire all the basic staples, then you can safely just farm dailies/events in silver-platinum all month to acquire gems for all your dumb petdecks>which basic staples?3 fuwalos, 3 ash blossom, 2 maxx c, 2 droll, 1 called by, 1 crossout designator, 3 infinite impermanenceprotip: before pulling for a deck in MD, always do a test run in edopro/omega first, so you can get a feel for it before you go and waste your resources, i learned the hard way that neither labrynth nor yubel were for me (i play onomat and white forest nowadays)
>>97310516This is true, that is why when that anon said about "builds off of them" it could be more than tournament support. KoA could release new cards for formats without going up with power with an aggressive banlist that would also hit crazy cards.Yes, diehard retro format players wouldn't like it, but I don't think they are the targeted audience since they are already playing their favorite formats>>97311169We need more anons like you
>>97311519Fuck. I wrote like a retard. Sorry, I have just woke up, but I think you guys can understand it, mostly
DUELING NEXUS IS DOWN
>>97312556Good, fuck it. Go download an actual client.
>>97312721Go fuck yourself, handsome. Wanna kiss on the mouth and smoke cigarettes?
>>97312924No thanks. I only smoke cock.
If you had to pick a period of card sets, what era do you think was the best for simplicity and game balance?For me it's the LoN to GX Era cards.
Just finished this display case for 2002 and 2003 cards and I'm sure as shit not posting it on Reddit for those stupid fucks to ogle at
>>97313012Yeah I'd agree, it's why I think Edison is the most fun format
>>97313075>unlimited prints
>>97313114I figured mostly no one but me will look at them so it would be silly to splurge for 1st editions since it's something I don't really care about.There are also instances where I didn't use the highest value card I had since I liked another print better, for instance I have the 1st edition MFC Dark Paladain (The one that accidentally uses the SY2 art instead of the correct MFC art) and didn't use it because I think it looks better as a secret rareI do have 1sts for Shinato, Last Turn, and Thousand Eyes Restrict, which is kinda cool but that's about as far as I take it
>>97313012I like the idea of decks mostly based around archetypes as long as the card effects aren't too complicated.I guess I would stop when Kozmo was released because the monsters did one effect based on their archetype plus their own (simple) effect. More than that, and it gets too complicated>>97313075>>97313147Based
>>97313084Game balance is something Edison definitely does not have.
>>97313310You don't think so? I encounter a pretty wide meta
>>97313310>can't handle the frogs wew
>>97313075Looks good man. My only concern is if you move it in the future and the cards getting knocked around from their nice care you took centering them all
>>97313273Thank you :)>>97313695There's a ton of Velcro on the back lol and if I move to a new house in however many years I'd bring it by hand
>>97313396Wide meta does not mean game is balanced necessarily. There are cards and interactions that can be rather toxic and turn entire situations and get wins without much thought to it. There are strategies that are gatekept due to how punishable they are by certain cards.If your deck is particularly vulnerable to Royal Oppression and Deck Devastation Virus you are just handicapping yourself when the top meta contenders can chill under these cards. Brain Control is an unhealthy card, so is Heavy Storm. These cards were either banned or put at 1 copy in later formats. The lack of Effect Veiler also makes Hamster, Ryko, Caius very strong.Edison is a format that can be really fun, but let's not kid ourselves, it has issues, it's not perfect and by no means balanced. It's not different from many other formats in YGO's History.Also. On a personal note, I find it a little less enjoyable since it lacks a lot of cool archetypes from the late 5D's era like Scraps, Fabled or T.G.I must admit, thought. That I really like Amaryllis Burn and Edison is the only place where that deck is playable.
>>97313012>>97313084>>97313864This is really helpful. Working on a TTRPG that uses the cards for stats. This helps narrow down which ones to balance around.
