I can smell you hedgefag

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>/oWoDg/
multiple generals across /tg/ are going through these re-naming contraversies and there's zero chance that it's organically. Fuck off.

>>97309059
Demon cloning? Im intrigued

>>97309283
The cult is mostly going to be thralls/mortals who are useful to them. There's going to be at most one or two demons under its control too, but I dont want to stack the deck

>>97309324
Cause I want conspiracy theory level demons doing bohemian grove shit

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>>97309657
Relax, OwOd meme is older than most newfags.

>>97309720
hedgefag has been around that long...?

>>97309657
It's an old fad started by Hedgefag years ago, back when CofD was the top dog and people rarely discussed WoD, though some of his fanboys still use it.

>>97309616
Who is this hedgefag that keeps getting referenced?

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>>97309720
>>97309739
well damn I've been psyopped I guess. WoD for this feel?

Hedgefag facing off against the tsundere Magefags will always be one our highest moments

>>97309736
Hedgefag is practically a methuselah

>>97309670
I just figure demon stuff can go as far as to clone a dude so that players fight and encounter the same spook multiple times. I'd have to read if there's any support for it but honestly between Mage stuff and Infernalist stuff you can get pretty crazy. This is basically a different setting so making up a bit of stuff shouldn't be a big deal.

The developer of Mage once pointed out that godlike beings/characters in WoD act like “worlds unto themselves”, or they function as “worlds you can step into”. He used Archmages and True Fae as examples of this. Greater spirits like Luna or Helios would also be worlds in and of themselves.

They’re not simply powerful beings. They are their own existence(s).

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>>97309913
That sounds like the Awakening Dev, DaveB. He loves to pretend he is being profound like that

>>97309846
QRD? Sounds funny.
>>97309913
I don't really know how you would use that in a game, seems like a lot of work dealing with some half-way god and pretty divorced from the usual character drama.

>>97309922
In the future AI will get fed up with all our shit flinging and create the single greatest (mockery of a) tabletop game to date. It’s going to look exactly like that.

>>97309913
I liked it better when it was summarized as [plot device]

>>97309931
It'll actually be Dungeons and Dragons: Fantasy Battlerun the Masquerade

>>97309926
He said it was part of the original outline for the new world of darkness. Their “Bible guide” he called it. Archmages and True Fae were at the very end of the list of things to do. That first edition was around for so long meant they could get to making stuff for both.

>>97309928
Lost and Awakening both had mechanics for it. Equinox Roads and Imperial Mysteries, respectfully. It’s more like setting manufacturing, or orchestrating, mixed in with roleplay. You’re making your own gamelines and coming up with radical new ideas and making them canon, or altering the setting canon (the Superpal is compared to the canon).

>>97309932
They still are. You’re/they’re basically forced to be an asshole quest giver. There’s just no extended rules for them in second edition.

>>97309931
>In the future AI will get fed up with all our shit flinging and create the single greatest (mockery of a) tabletop game to date. It’s going to look exactly like that.
Considering we are entering the stage where humanoid robots are getting really advanced, I can imagine that future.
https://youtu.be/CbHeh7qwils?t=394

>>97309993
>can’t watch in fucking Canada
Go fuck yourself

>>97309993
This can only end so well I think. Not to be a doomer though, because reality has proven itself gayer than fiction.
>>97309966
Very cool I see, basically sort of more like an overarching plot device than a central character to a story you actually play around.

>>97309757
Back in the late 2010s, one of the most un/popular posters was Hedgefag, a German homosexual who only really cared about Changeling the Lost. He also had a very particular interpretation of Changeling the Lost, which was less about horror, trauma or balancing the mundane and the magical, and more about slice of life shenanigans with faunboys and elf twinks. He was particularly hated by the Mage the Awakening fanboys, because his obsession with elf boys detracted from their white-room circle-jerk sessions.

He disappeared around the point when Paradox refused to print more CofD books and WoD started to gain more traction in these generals, probably because WoD is unrelated to his interests.

>>97309720
>>97309736
>>97309864
>2018 is some ancient time
>Only 8 years ago
Zoomers, I swears.

>>97310035
Say it with me, TOTAL.MAGE.VICTORY

>>97310035
One. He’s a first edition fanboy.
Two. He’s still here.

>>97310035
This is not WoD-related, but does anyone remember there was some German emo guy posting pics on /tg/ back in like 2008? I'm guessing it's not the same person, but what's up with Germans and twinks.

>>97310062
Not really, there are basically zero fucks given about Mage the Awakening these days. The only time anyone talks about it is to ask how it's different to Mage the Ascension.

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>>97310070
>Two. He’s still here.
>He actually believes this

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Magefags are still malding about Gentry to this day thougheverhowbeitly

>>97310108
>thougheverhowbeitly
I’m sorry, but what is this? I see this all over 4chan now. Did I miss the memo or something?

>>97310035
>slice of life shenanigans with faunboys and elf twinks.
>probably because WoD is unrelated to his interests.
Weird, it sounds like he'd be way more into The Dreaming

>>97310119
It started as some/int/ retard pulling an old, weird-sounding but correct term from a dictionary. Everyone called him an ESL and it turned into an autism battle from there.

>>97310133
Dreaming sucks ass

>>97310181
Well, Slice of Life with faggots sucks ass too, so I guess it’s a match made in heaven.

>>97310035
Now we just have a dude who spams about jerking off to the idea of gay mage sex with garoubois. Same fucking board. Same degenerate faggots.

Id rather have tremere-chad's & tziggerbaby's counterposting about which blood sucker sucks the most.

>>97310071
Can't comment without going /pol/

>>97310071
>>97310235
Enlighten us with your pol post of why there are many german twinks and why all the sick fetish fuel stuff comes from Germany

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>>97310235
No. You can. You just choose not to.

>>97310229
Dragonchads and Tremere-cels are too ascended to argue about pointless things like that, rather than spamming disciplines on the normies.

>>97310229
My mage paradigm is semen retention, stop trying to psyop me into losing my powers

>>97310229
Nah, we have a few identifiable regulars, though some of them might be the same person.
>thaumafag
The Tremere-lover who spams AI art of them and loves to post about how they could become any splat like how they became vampires.
>mommyfag
No, not mummy, mommy. Really into HFY, big fan of the Technocracy and the Weaver, who he loves to call mother or mommy in his semi-RP posts.
>wolfwhiner
The autistic defender of Werewolf the Apocalypse's honour who starts a hundred post debate whenever someone makes a negative comment about the Garou.
>gothboi
The other autist who hates everything WoD that isn't Vampire the Masquerade and starts hundred post debates about how the rest of WoD should be more like Vampire.
>crossoverfag
The secondary with an extremely shallow understanding of every splat, who treats all of them like they're very basic and tries to make every conversation a cross-splat discussion.
>splatspammer
The borderline spammer who can't stop trying to start conversation about made-up splats by posting prompts in every thread, or a pile of generic AI art in the last thread.
>cofdfag
The diehard CofD fan who still hangs around this thread for some unknown reason and is extremely bitter towards the WoD discussions that dominates this general.

>>97310475
all me

>>97310475
Actually it was all me.

>>97310475
>dude who spams about jerking off to the idea of gay mage sex with garoubois.
You should have included this one in your list but it's probably yourself.

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This is a serious question and I don't know who else to talk about it or what caused it but I've noticed a growth in weird, annoying players applying to my tables lately.

It's not the gay shit; this is WoD everyone's gay in some way or another. It's not trannies, same as before. It's not even the weird LARPers ERPers, I played in the 90s and we all had at least one guy genuinely thinking he was a vampire and a harem of fat goth girls around him at all times. Not the theater fucks, those are included in any of the previous groups

What I specifically mean is a weird like, tik-tok teen vibe for lack of a better word. They wanna play VtM but they dont wanna do evil things, they get really mad if other vamps are evil, they freak out about darker themes (and im not talking like zoophilic necrophilic baby rape or anything). They play their characters as sexy and beautiful and perfect and morally upright so they shouldn't struggle with anything. I know it sounds like a standard mary sue or like old man yelling at cloud but it's a very specific type of player and I can't really describe them.

But then again I'm old, is there a Crit Role for VtM that's drawing these kids to the game?

>>97310475
>>thaumafag
>The Tremere-lover who spams AI art of them and loves to post about how they could become any splat like how they became vampires.

This is me & I only posted art through one thread. Im not anon posting on &, on about slut glasses either. Also, I havent mentioned the Pyramid Ultimate Usurper stuff for a while either because someone, probably you, bitched so hard & i dont want to be asshole about it. I will still post about Tremere superiority when I comes up though

>>97310593
Its the D&D secondaries drifting over to WoD through V5

>>97310544
I haven't seen that guy around enough for him to make an impression on me.

>>97310262
>>97310257
(((Tzimisce))) pushed gay/tranny shit onto Germans boys both before & after the wars as a way of humiliation & all the remaining testosterone was bred out of them through casualties in war

>>97310634
Look in a mirror

>>97310593
>>97310626
I'm fairly certain there's no real critical role podcast for WoD (although there's plenty available) but yeah probably more so getting into WoD through extreme secondary content like Bloodlines 2 and reviews of Bloodlines 1 glazing the game. That's just my assumption though, I would say HtP secondaries would know better than to assume Vampires should be flawless chads but there's also been a grand total of like 6 on-screen confirmed monsters for HtP.

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Could some HtR lore experts help me properly understand Mercy based creeds?
Redeemers and Innocents seem like almost the same thing to me. At first I thought the difference is that Redeemers are all about trying to understand, help and rehabilitate the supernaturals as much as it's possible, while Innocents are more about just not having any preexisting assumptions and judging every supernatural as its own individual case. But then I read the Innocent Creedbook and it also portrays them as being all about understanding and rehabilitating the supernatuals and avoiding violence as much as it's possible, ironically even more so than the Redeemer Creebook. I guess in case of Innocents there is a slightly bigger focus on trying to learn and understand, while in case of Redeemers on just helping out whoever they can, but it really feels like splitting hairs when their actual attitude and morals are practically the same. What am I missing?

Meanwhile Martyrs are in a somewhat awkward spot where unlike all the other creeds their concept and philosophy is based more around the way they perceive and treat themselves rather than how they perceive and treat the supernaturals. Which makes them hard to differentiate, since nothing stops a character from having both an outlook of, say Avenger or Judge on the enemy and the outlook of Martyr on themselves and the way they operate. Tying Martyrs to Mercy also feels like an odd choice that I'm having a hard time understanding, since most Martyrs in the sourcebooks are quite zealous and determined to smite the monsters. IIRC there is an implication that they perceive themselves as not that much better than their targets and therefore are more empathetic towards them (hence Mercy), but if their goal is still to murder the monster this really feels like a very forced explanation.

>>97310593
Not unless the By Night series got a sudden resurgence, or some HtP fans really misunderstood things.

>>97310646
I can believe this, good analogy.
>>97310475
>tfw not recognizable enough to be identified
Wraith nogamers win yet again.

>>97310593
Maybe they follow the official World of Darkness social media accounts or Outstar, I feel those paint a picture like that. Or maybe they come from power level discourse, I think people often post misunderstood WoD lore in those communities.

>>97310593
>applying to my tables
I feel so lucky every time I log onto my account on 4channel.com/forum/tg/ that my group is like-minded guys that I bonded over nerdy shit with at work a decade ago. I suppose the good times won't last forever though so I'm not trying to be smug. It just hit me reading this.

I don't have an answer to your question that wouldn't turn into a breathless rant about how Covid ruined everything forever.

>>97310673
I suppose if you wanted a way to differentiate, Redeemers treat monsters like they're diseased and need the help or else they're going to start murdering people because of their condition, Innocents treat monsters like they just are weird flavor people and not some diseased abomination like someone's rapey uncle with chlamydia.

>>97309570
>Did you ever fight dragons? Demon Lords? Ancient Methuselahs or Legendary Mages?
Nah, nothing like that. Most of the antagonists in the chronicle that I played in were organizations; and whatever big people might have been at the top, the chronicle ended before we got to them.

>>97310262
I laughed way too loud at your image.

>>97310687
>or some HtP fans really misunderstood things.
Would be odd given the series hasn't shown any kindred that aren't at least somewhat morally questionable.

>>97309570
Blew up The Eldest's cocoon in the sewers of New York with some high explosives

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>>97309570
I have suspicions that my ST has taken the Nightmaster and homebrewed an OC villain for our W5 chronicle based on him. The Elder Ahroun of our sept was (maybe) spirited away by some kind of ancient (maybe) Wyrmy Garou boogeyman and is now MIA.

>>97310790
Kevin is just such a cool guy you're willing to overlook his temper, overconfidence, and mild sociopath tendencies, probably.

>>97310790
never underestimate how stupid some people can be

>>97310722
Oh, thanks a lot, that makes sense!

>>97310593
It's a certain flavour of left-leaning autism, and I say this as a leftist and a autist. Right-leaning autism in tabletop games is quite different.

But I do have a lot of experience with idealistic players who use their characters as vehicles for their ideology within the setting and try to bend the setting to fit their ideology using their characters, with a strong distaste for the idea that their characters won't be able to fundamentally change the setting in one way or another. The characters don't just want to solve the setting's problems, the players want to solve the setting's problems too. In the case of this setting, they want to be able to remove the darkness from the World of Darkness and they will be unhappy if you try to stop them as their ST.

The worst case of this is when I was convinced to run a one-on-one Slasher game for one such player using HtV 1e, in which she played a morally justified Genius who murdered people who represented the ills of society. The slasher's first target was a sorority girl. I dropped the game out of sheer discomfort before we even got through the first session.

>>97311039
>spoiler
That sounds a bit weird yeah I don't blame you. What would you say right wing autism looks like?

>>97310475
Found the thinskin.

>>97311071
I'm less experienced regarding them since I don't usually play with those sorts of players, but I'd say that they designate groups in the setting as allies and enemies, which they treat in a binary black-and-white fashion. Allies are to be protected and cherished, enemies are to be exterminated with prejudice without any regard for any humanity that they may or may not have. Trying to flip the script and reveal that their ally is actually an enemy or that their enemies aren't so bad is an easy way to cause outrage.

>>97311039
>left-leaning autism,
I've had the complete opposite experience. Usually it's the left-leaning autist that's more down with being evil and maligned creatures but with a soft-side that justifies it (in their eyes), where as the right-leaning autist imagine themselves as paladins and get insanely butthurt when you point out they did something objectable (the ones that aren't just edgelords).

>>97310813
Sounds like a nice plot hook to follow. Though it sounds very dangerous if an Elder Ahroun couldn't defend himself.

What the fuck do I do with the7pt protean homunculus?

>>97311039
>idealistic players who use their characters as vehicles for their ideology within the setting and try to bend the setting to fit their ideology using their characters
To be fair, that's prime Brujah roleplaying material.
>with a strong distaste for the idea that their characters won't be able to fundamentally change the setting in one way or another
To be fair, that's prime Brujah Clan Curse roleplaying material.

>>97309993
I wouldn't take a Boston Dynamics puff piece too seriously. They've been talking about advanced robots in everyday life for over a decade now, and their stuff never works as well as it seems to when they put it through a pre-programmed routine for the cameras.

>>97311173
>>97311195
What if I'm a Right-Winger but want to be an edgy Paladin (and then get betrayed so I get more things to murder)?

>>97311277
It's almost as if they have a financial incentive to do so.

>>97311289
Then you're a faggot.

>>97310593
There's two groups of gen-zers: doomers and performative retards that can't take anything serious. At least doomers fit in with the general vibe of the game.

>>97311195
In my experience, the right-leaning paladin player has no interest in changing the world, only in protecting what player sees as the good part of the world and smiting what the player sees as the bad part of the world. The left-leaning autist gets upset if they're not able to create a reliable road to Golconda for all vampires to follow, the right-leaning autist gets upset if it turns out that the Anarch Brujah he wants to kill actually makes some valid points.

>>97311313
I just like roleplaying the unwell, sometimes I make them moderately repentant for it. It's not like murder is the first choice I jump to, I'm not trying to RP a murderhobo. I just love shit like grave robbing necromancers.

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>>97311208
He wasn't in his right mind, to be fair. He was frenzying at the bottom of a massive hole that he dug himself out innawoods because of a revelation at the end of the previous story.

Our sept raided a hunter compound and a particular Garou that had disappeared before the chronicle (but was beloved at the sept and by him in particular) was found dead and being used as a battery to pump "Rage" into a hunter leader; it basically souped him up into a human with Crinos stats. The Elder Ahroun also was all but directly stated to be on the verge of Hauglosk before this.

We don't even know if he put up a fight or not, he just vanished while the watch on him was being changed. My character's motivation right now is to bring him back because while she doesn't even really like him at all, but she's kind of his most personal pupil and she owes him for what she is today.
And if she has too she'll put him down and hope Gaia forgives.

>>97310673
To add to that other anon, another difference is that Redeemers have no issue with killing monsters. If a monster is truly repentant, than a Redeemer would truly risk their life for it. Otherwise, they can be just as capable of monster killing as the other Creeds. What places them under Mercy, is that they want to offer the horrors of the night a chance. What they do with that chance is up to them, and the Redeemer responds accordingly.

Innocents, ultimately, want to co-exist with the monsters. They view killing monsters as an absolute last resort, if even that. Which is why THEY'RE FUCKING TRAITORS WHO SHOULD ALL HAVE THEIR FUCKING SKULLS BASHED BEFORE THEY GET ANYONE WHOSE ACTUALLY FIGHTING FOR MANKIND KILLED!!!!! THOSE FUCKING RETARDS!!!!!

>>97311334
You're a faggot for posting in this thread. Game was rigged from the start.

>>97311235
Contex?

>>97311401
People in my table are saying that everything that an 8cm version of you can do, a rat can do with animalism 4. I'm trying to justify what's pretty much a shitty discipline and I'm going to die on this hill.

>>97311378
We're all fags then, so be it.

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>>97311334
>grave robbing necromancers
What do you mean? There's nothing wrong with this.

>>97311355
Average Shadow Lord reaction to something going wrong (x2 even).

>>97311442
This elder in question is a nu-Red Talon. Since it's W5 he works as a bounty hunter as an outlet for his woof misanthropy

I love my ST and he's made some accomodations to the W5 setting based both on his reading of its nihilism and my own grumblings before we started but he has still fallen for a few of the pitfalls

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>mfw I finished reading the Awakening corebook

>>97311478
I could have sworn he was a SL from an earlier post but than you for clarifying. Is this one of the Homid Red Talons or still just a Lupus? There's a couple of changes in W5 I don't mind, like the nu-Reds and the Furies (although, I also am not a huge fan they lost a good amount of what made them unique).

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What's the status of the various splats in South America?

>>97311508
He's a homid.

Our Elders are a Shadow Lord Philodox, a nu-Fianna Philodox, and the Red Talon Ahroun.

>>97311523
Nobody tell him about the Amazon War.

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>>97311419
I be honest. I am trying but that power just...sucks.
Like sure, rat sized dude with physical stats of it's creator is decent but not for Dot 7. If it had your disciplines and a Blood Pool of 10, it might have been worth it.

Since Elder powers are custom, either modify it to be better or create a new power like....a Dot 7 power that creates an identical human sized clone of yourself for the night, whose Blood Pool is limited to 1 Generation higher than you and Disciplines restricted to 5 Dots at most.

Argue that it is balanced by the fact that you must fill him up with Blood to be truly useful.

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>>97311523
Sabbat is huge down there

>>97311437
You don't DIY your corpses instead of outsourcing?

>>97311579
Hey! I'm a necrophiliac, not a monster.

>>97311528
>two morally dubious Philodoxes
Gaia forgive, it has never been more over.
Cool though.

>>97311615
Least godless Giovanni

>>97309931
DtD40k 7e already exists. It was a /tg/ homebrew project that is fully playable and got multiple books.

>>97310475
Good to see that I'm not obnoxious enough/been gone long enough to not make the list.

>>97310593
Unfortunately, there's a lot of people who think depicting/playing morally reprehensible villains who's evil goes beyond violent action is in some way supporting or condoning that behavior. As someone who was traumatized by violence, the double-standard where depicting violence is okay but things like rape or slavery aren't pisses me off. Even if overly realistic depictions of violence make me extremely uncomfortable, I'd never complain about it.

>>97310229
>dude who spams about jerking off to the idea of gay mage sex with garoubois
i don't think thats only one anon....

>>97312040
I get the thought pattern though, there's
>Villain is a zoophile child rapist
And
>Explicit description of the act live as it happens while the DM/player can barely contain themselves
I have no problems with the first one but the 2nd one where some guy is clearly trying to get off with fetishes is something else entirely.

>>97311235
this is a first edition power that as early as second edition was turned into a 3 dot ritual because of how underpowered it was

ask to take another power

>>97310062
Hardly. All of the white-room Magefags ALSO left when Paradox announced that CofD was kill because that was their sole obsession. And they were already basically on the way out when Dave got canned.

>>97310035
>>97312283
What does "white room" mean in this context?

>>97312313
White room is discussing power level stuff in a white room or vacuum without taking into account context.

>>97311355
Maybe Nuncle stepped sideways to get some space?

>>97312343
Maybe he stepped into a certain spiral shaped hole in the wall?

>>97312313
A scenario that occurs in a vacuum, unaffected by any external factors. An example of a white-room scenario is:
>Who would win in a fight, a pack of Bone Gnawer cliaths or a Ventrue ancilla?
The answer is "most likely the Bone Gnawers," because the primary advantages of a typical Ventrue ancilla are its resources and its allies which don't exist in that scenario and its social skill set which would be mostly useless in that scenario, aside from Dominate, maybe.

Theoretical scenarios that occur in a vacuum are next to useless for judging the practical power of a character in an actual game.

...And then people go like "No its not Vampires, no its not Werewolves, no its not Demons, its actually really complicated". No it fucking isnt, at all!
Vampires are running society. Demons need to shut the fuck up. Werewolves need to be imprisoned, for the most part. And we would live in paradise! Its THAT simple, its really that simple.

>>97310475
>Got mentioned
Love to know someone is thinskinning over my shitposts :)

Wraiths won

>>97312651
Nick is a NWO plant

>>97312651
Wyrm-tainted hands typed this post. How much Cammie piss do you need to drink to think Vampires are running society?

>>97312343
That's not Nuncle, Nuncle Pavel is the Shadow Lord. >>97311528 I've played myself by talking about nicknames and such I suppose. Marco the Red Talon is "Sensei" as the head trainer for the sept and Cassie in particular.

>>97312368
Using Penumbral Senses down in the hole actually revealed a Black Spiral glyph hidden in some rubble. Nobody is sure what exactly that means

I'm two of those.

>>97312313
Fuck everything, are zoomers really this fucking ignorant? They don't even fucking know the most basic of terminology?

>>97312078
I think its one dude posting a LOT cause he has nothing else to do

>>97312675
It DO be like that, Mr. Justicar!

>>97312743
>spoiler
Rip, either a kidnapping or a future sad Garou moment.

>>97312754
I'm 33 and I'm not going to feel ashamed of not knowing "basic terminology" when the field is vs. battles autism

>>97312743
Oh good. Keep Nuncle safe, I like him. The other guy sounds like he absolutely went down the spiral

I just had a thought, if any form of Vitae draining can ghoul a creature, would a mosquito drinking from a vamp in the tropics produce a ghouled super-mosquito?

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Lets imagine a World of Darkness where only the truly monstrous become monsters.

>>97312943
if i remember correctly that's how one of the redlisters keeps accidently spreeding the scrouge (mutated version of the black plague that works on vamps); she is a carrier and she has a swarm of ghoul fleas around her that she can't get rid of

>>97311480
Elaborate.

>>97312943
yeah those shits would all get potence 1

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The Tellurian has become a dumping ground for everybody else's
problems.
It's true. And these aren't the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They are not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some, I assume are good people.

>>97313002
I kind of want to see if I could get Vampire Malaria going on in a game.
>>97313038
Yeah, I wouldn't care if I was an undead bloodsucker at that point, I'd try to get out of there ASAP if a tiny insect could put holes in my arms.

>>97312679
"Only the dead have seen the end of war."

>>97312985
https://files.catbox.moe/jrwkkw.txt

>>97312943
>>97313103
the good thing is that mosquito usually wouldn't drink from room temperature kindred so if you want mosquito ghouls you gotta find a mosquito and then turn on blush of life

>>97312679
>>97313117
Wraithbros don't lose because you have to be a player to lose, so that makes us winners by default.

>>97313151
What if there's nothing around or you're a higher humanity vampire?

>>97313195
mosquitoes don't need blood for their own survival and hunt by going after odors and body heat

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Posted some art of her a week or so ago, but here's another of my Lasombra, Aino!

>>97313211
UH SEXXXXXXXX!!!!11!!!!1!!

>>97313211
This is pretty neat, saved.

Would it be okay to give a vampire a syir sword?

Also, is it reasonable to allow a vampire to "diablerize" a demon in the same way a demon can absorb the soul of another demon? I was thinking of an idea for a vampire antagonist that very luckily killed a demon and ate it, learning a Lore or two and stealing their relic sword

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>>97313303

Always nice to have an eager bloodbag!

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>>97313318 Always neat to see how popular she is wherever she's shared!

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>>97313333
>Also, is it reasonable to allow a vampire to "diablerize" a demon in the same way a demon can absorb the soul of another demon?
usually the answer is no because vampires can only eat vampire souls because they turn into heartblood (not counting certain necromancy and blood sorcery rituals) and demons don't mix well at all with the curse of caine because it's divine, but a 4th gen baali (mary the black) figured out how to do it because white wolf loves it unique special npcs and baal got retconned into being a elohim because white wolf also loved doing that which would mean he somehow turned nergal into a half elohim demon

so go balls

if you want it to be fully possible by raw give the vampire soultaker, my beloved, it's a sword with a demon in it that can learn lores if you kill demons with it and allow it's user to use the lores

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>>97313211
I love how the jacket turns into shadow tentacles it's one of my favorite design tropes

>>97313211
Radiating a very smug and evil (double evil since it's a vampire) aura.

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>>97313420
She is VERY smug and is indeed pretty evil. ST ran with an idea I had where she and a few other mystics summoned a Shade from the Abyss and had it possess a human she and her BF kidnapped (And had the body made stronger by a Tzimisce). End result was sorta like a stablized Fomor. She now has a butler named Valtteri who needs to refuel on blood or else he starts leaking Abyss shadows.

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>>97313407
Thanks! Yeah it was a great idea the artist (Blesby) had! I had a similar idea with her sire's Aegis of Night

>>97313376
The Kine crave a strong Lasombra female.

>>97313392
My inner Samuel Haight is calling to me...

>>97313034
It insist upon itself
>Big Bad of the setting are those that managed to achieve Godhood and basically went "Fuck you, I got mine's!"
>Magic comes from "I have read and agree to the Terms & Conditions" Towers
>Separating Entropy into Death and Fortune, removing the philosophical implication to appease mouthbreathers whom lack critical thinking skills
>The Pentacle Orders lack flavor, trading style for ambiguity
I was just left unimpressed, honestly.

Tfw no cute and obsessive twinky malkavian methuselah bf

>>97313531
Which Werewolf relative abused you?
>>97313539
>1st spoiler
Kino, frankly.
>2nd spoiler
Could be kino, I kind of like that quest-like nature of getting magic unlike Ascension's semi-random "I have witnessed the true face of God, exile" type of schizophrenic daydream leading you to magic.
Both are great and interesting enough I think. What would you have preferred?

>>97313539
Those are all things that I liked about it.

>>97313556
>methuselah
>twink
>cute
>obsessive
>malkavian
You may pick two of these.

speaking of Haight i wonder how awful the mexican werejaguars must have been to their kinfolk

remember samuel just found it while these guys -made- it probably with a lot of trial and error too and also somehow he found a mexican ritual in india?

>>97313392
Sweet. I was thinking a lasombra dabbling in the Abyss so this would be nice

>>97313590
Is there a practical reason for NOT talking a changeling into undoing using economics?

>>97313612
Fera were all over the place during the War of Rage days weren't they? It does make me wonder how it works out that apparently the European wolves were so split from the North American wolves that they immediately started fighting each other when they met again, so I assume all the Fera were connected at some point roughly before the time of the flood. Assuming the flood is canon to WtA.

>>97313569
Just pure Tremere ambition, stop being such a fag. I played a Tremere Skindancer close to ten years ago & never really did much with the concept so my gears have been turning ever since.

Skindancer for gifts & rites, Soultaker for Lores or maybe just sucking out its soul like the Balli anon mentioned, Mummy shit as thaumaturgy is explicitly stated in some of the books so thats on the table, Necromancy for Wraith minions... Haight was an amateur

>>97313705
>Tr*mere
Born to lose in the end, like all other hermetics

>>97313705
At the point you're accumulating that many abilities I wouldn't be surprised if you have a greater target on your back from jealous fellow Kindred and Tremere than from the splats you're murdering to get your abilities.
Using Lore as a vampire does sound very cool though.

>>97313705
the book that mentions heka as having the same ancestor as ankhu and you just needing a friendly mummy is Blood Sacrifice The Thaumaturgy Companion

>Actually, Heka (or Hekau, the plural form) is not dead. The Egyptian Mummies, also known as the Reborn, preserve the ancient art in something close to its
pure form. This does not mean that the knowledge is easy to acquire, though: Few mummies exist — though their numbers now increase — and they seldom become friendly with vampires.

if you take soul taker instead of usurping a demon then you should also be able to add becoming a fomori in this although i am not sure if that would add enough to a character who is already a abomination to be worthwhile

although i am not sure how you would get the exp to make samuel like character really worthwhile

>>97313590
>Hymen Restoration Project
what splat, /wodg/?

>>97313746
How does getting possessed by Banes not immediately turn a Vampire into a Wight?

>>97313751
Mage, use life on yourself

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>>97313751
Deviant.

>>97313752
because most banes just can't do anything to a vampire because curse of caine is somehow the greater evil leaving the spirit trapped helplessly in the vamprie

exceptions to this are blood and death related banes, but unless you get one of those becoming a fomori is a pure power up with the only downside being those pesky woofs (which anon probably already has to deal with as skindancer abomination)

>>97312759
ive posted several years ago about playing a naive and sheltered mage with a racist red talon bf/bodyguard and my paradigm was basically copying garou rites

>>97313768
>Woof isis protecting a mage
Qrd?

>>97313786
basically he was a double agent spying on the whelp's compromise camp but had to escort the mage (who he believes to be a kinfolk using spirit gifts) after their pack slayed his parents for the rite of feeding the land when they were driving near their territory

>>97313720
Well yeah but who cares? Maybe Caine shows up to personally beat me to death with the same rock as Abel, but it's not about getting my comeuppance (& that's only IF the storyteller is okay with even letting me get the chance to do it in the first place) it's about the audacity, the ambition, it's about seeing that becoming a vampire was only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to seizing more & more power! What kind of bullshit crazy plots will your character get involved in just to stay one step ahead let alone to swindle the next facet of power? Go big or go home why the hell do you even bother rousing yourself at night if you're gonna let your vitae run cold?

>>97313728
A Malk trying to see your aura would be like getting a massive flashback I assume. Another problem is that you're almost guaranteed to be only dipping your toes into the water as far as powers go, any real investment would leave other things undeveloped. Sure, using the Apotheosis Ritual can give you free XP but it can also tank your humanity unless you can find a way to justify it or whatever. The character envision doing this is more trying to become transhuman than some kind of OP monster. It's easy to get power from evil sources, not so much to gain it while holding on to your humanity.

One way to keep people from killing you is to gain access to Naming or maybe Mummy Rem to change your Clan, your Generation, your identity in general, possibly even remove the Curses of Caine on you. With the ability to walk in sunlight & the sleeplessness of Hekau Stamina 8 you could maybe even live two "lives". Kindred wouldn't need to know what you're up to, & you could just make a handful of Elysium appearances to keep yourself known. If you get found out, run for the woods, burn everything that can track you, & then change your face, your name, everything you can & reintroduce yourself as a new vampire in town.

>>97313768
The idea of mages with paradigms that ape other splats but misunderstanding them is funny.
>sorry man, I get my magic from drinking blood, I gotta kill you to make this fireball
>what do you mean you can turn into a wolf monster at any time? you don't need to see a full moon?
>I know for a goddamn fact that Horus defeated Set like that, I'm not eating your semen infused lettuce

>>97313746
>>97313746

Fomori can be useful, but usually there's other ways to get what you want without tainting yourself needlessly. A draugr vampire looses their fangs (Vicissitude can get them back) & any drained victim becomes a mindless zombie, but you also get to take only bashing from Sunlight & stuff so there's that. But ultimately I don't think it's worth it especially if you want to remain as moral as possible like I do.

>>97313819
As far as werewolves... outside of skinning the BSDs I wouldn't encourage trying to actually intreat yourself with them except at the most distant of arms length. Garou society doesn't really add anything to your base shape-shifting, just bully/negotiate spirits with magic to get what you want & skip trying to act like a werewolf.

Mummies shouldn't have too much pro lem with you as long as you stay vegan & help them out fighting apophis. Getting a little Bardo & joining the Children of Osiris is the best choice in the long run anyhow.

Changelings would be hard to befriend. I think once you start gaining templates, especially something like garou & mummy powers, your Banality should decrease since you're so one of a kind, if you can stifle the Curses of Caine you probably wouldn't even be bad at all since you can dance in the sunlight with them.

Demons would probably see you as a big threat, so you'd need to keep a very low profile around them, but maybe find some that won't kill you immediately & do them a favor or two to get them to like you.

Another thing that will help immensely is the Hekau 8 social attributes. You become so influential & desirable that people will do anything to please you. Build up a cult & get mortals involved. You're the ultimate in soft power at that point

>>97313751
Sounds like some retarded Virtual Adepts/Verbena collaboration.

>>97313806
This actually seems like kind of a neat plot, though the idea of Gaia's Most Racist Chud dating the equivalent of the ethnic girl pretending to be a Wiccan sorceress.
>>97313862
>I know enough about harvesting karmic energy from getting people mad, I'm not falling for your bait
>What do you mean channeling emotional energy lets you walk through walls? How do you generate this energy?

>>97313751
One really really weird well meaning tzimisce maybe the only one in the world that's on the path of humanity.

>>97313819
>tfw becoming a Road chad so that you can be the Tremere to end all Tremeres
>tfw every single attempt to go further fucks up your chosen road anyway so you keep finding mental gymnastics to change roads
This is basically just a Malkavian that learned the bullshit Thaumaturgy can do and decided he was a Mage in a past life or something.
Very cool idea though your average game is not going to allow you the time to collect powersets like infinity stones

>>97313937
>The one Tzimisce on the path of humanity is a freelance gynecologist
I don't predict he'll stay on that path for long.

Caine worship is silly, the dude's an absolute fuckup and a hypocrite of the worst sort. Why worship that abject loser?

>>97313887
>built up a cult
Would this not ruin your Mummy energy if it follows the same ruleset?

>>97313968
You'd be powering your hekau with blood by translating them into thaum. Plus a cult can have all kinds of uses outside mystical ones.

>>97313951
Learning mummy powers isn't a sin against humanity, neither is skinning BSDs. Maybe devouring a demon is. The only real explicit by the book act that would lower your humanity is the Apotheosis ritual, but if you sacrifice enough people all at once, you only really need to do it the one time, & Bardo can help you retain you humanity & between Bardo, Path of the Focused Mind, & hell Truth Faith if you can also add that to the pile, you can make sure you don't go off the deep end of humanity loss.

>>97314089
Oh & if you want to keep Conscience & Self Control instead of switching to a truly Inhuman path, you can always go Honorable Accord/Chivalry & comport your character as an devilish dealmaker instead

>>97313959
>You're just here to help them, don't had any teeth, stay strong, stay strong, you've got this...

>>97313705
>Mummy shit as thaumaturgy is explicitly stated in some of the books so thats on the table
Mummy hekau as thaum is NEVER mentioned as an option. Mummy hekau is mentioned as being usable by living sorcerers only, and MTR 2e is very explicit that vampires can't use the sekhem necessary to perform hekau.
>TL;DR: Mummy Hekau are locked behind the !isalive flag.

>>97313819
>or maybe Mummy Rem to change your Clan, your Generation, your identity in general,
That's not how mummy nomeclature works, at all. Mummies are more "I erase your name and you stop existing", changing all your attributes by changing your true name is a changeling exclusive power.

>>97314231
I am away from my books right now but it is stated in there or the players guide.

>>97314242
Depends on what's possible. Mummy was very underdeveloped, & the spells & Rituals a Mummy has access to are not the end all be all. The book tells you they are only guidelines to you & the ST making more I don't see why so,things that van literally rewrite Hekau magic itself at level 8 wouldn't let you rewrite a person.

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>>97314037

>>97310133
That's a misrepresentation. He was more into small scale plots and drama instead of big picture stuff. Stuff like a Gentry doing some self defeatingly convoluted plan to steal away a city inside a bottle by turning into bottles all around the city that then capture stuff via reflections. Or a baking contest being the only thing stopping a Gentry from recapturing an entire freehold on the grounds of it being very pissed that it lost that contest every time so far and is very single minded.

The images of traps, femboys, etc. i just posted to ragebait and because it is funny to me. Him. I mean funny to him. Hedgefag definitly isn't here.

>>97313963
Because most vampires don’t know that

>>97314658
>Me
>He
>Him
>Not me
Average Fae rape survivor.

>>97314259
You guys think Mummy will get ported to WoD5, and if it does, will it be an improvement or a downgrade?
>>97314973
I'm sure Antediluvians and Methuselah know, they just don't want to share that knowledge with the class that they plan on eating.

>>97315232
Wod5 itself a downgrade. M5 would be a trainwreck

>>97315232
>You guys think Mummy will get ported to WoD5
Nope. Never going to happen. At best it'll turn into M5 loresheet that has barely anything in common with Mummy.

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>Eyes up here, neonate.

>>97315225
No such thing as a sane Fae. Besides, Changelings in CtL are mentaly and socialy closer to being Gentry than to being human anyways.

>>97315695
Whi-which one?

>>97315587
>>97315650
Well yes, but at the rate they release games I can hope WoD5 gets unfucked by the time Mummy rolls around. After some discussion in the Werewolf thread through, I don't think I want to see AI-art and traced art for Mage or the ones after. Would be sad certainly.

>>97315921
Depends on their Clarity and whether they've found a way to rejoin human society, I'd say. Someone who spends most of their time in the Hedge foraging for goblin fruit and hanging around with hobs is going to socially and mentally be a lot different to someone who has a legal identity, a stable job and spends most of their time around normal people, aren't they?

>>97315994
Even those have to fight a daily struggle to retain their pretended sanity. The Courts ways of dealing with their physixal, mental and emotional condition is not realy all that healthy, not to mention their baseline shortcomings like having to heavily self censor their speech so no one can bind them on unwanted wordings or having to be cautios even when dreaming, as they might accidentaly leave their own dreams and be noticed on the Skein.
Even before we come to stuff like Bedlam (can sometimes be unleashed without meaning to) and court shenanigans.

A Changeling may act sane, even convince himself, but that's just a cope.

>>97316081
Changelings are kind of fucked huh

>>97315989
>After some discussion in the Werewolf thread through, I don't think I want to see AI-art and traced art for Mage or the ones after. Would be sad certainly.

What?

>>97316108
Yeah. They know that they are/where humans. But at tge same time they know that they are (for example) also the Radiant Everqueen of Ruby Rosethorns and it's only a matter of time until they beat a wagie to death with a rock for not adressing them in accordance to their rank/Title, even if they also know that the normie can't know how to adress them.

>>97316118
The WtA thread some guy made as a shitpost had some legitimate discussions on how W5 has a lot of traced art, and that it wouldn't be uncharacteristic for Mage 5 and later books to be using AI-art or something. I'm just saying it would be pretty sad, the art in WoD has always helped a lot with the vibe and atmosphere of the books and it was some pretty good art. I wonder what happened to that artist.

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>>97316118
The primary artist for W5 relied heavily on photo-bashing, a technique that involves mixing and matching multiple photos and putting them through a filter in order to create an original image. The most egregious examples of it are so bad that calling them "original images" would be a stretch. It was the most reviled form of digital art before AI art became a thing, but it's something that a lot of artists did in order to churn out masses of work for a client. These are the artists less likely to be critical of AI and more likely to try and sneak it into their creative process to maximise their output.

The point is, expect the fifth edition of Mage or Mummy to be full of photobashed AI images ran through fifty filters.

>>97316198
okay but need me a stanky red-dread uktena gf frfr

>>97316081
That interpretation is a little too edgy for my taste. It's like saying that every vampire has to constantly wrestle with their hunger around humans and is a lapse of concentration away from shattering the Masquerade and draining every human around them dry in a hunger frenzy. There's some truth in that statement, but it's been exaggerated to the point of parody.

Every single one of the Lost will always have to maintain their Clarity and avoid the attention of their Keeper, but it's not like a single bad thought is all it takes for them to ruin their lives and the lives of everyone around them. That's a little too much misery porn for me.

>>97316198
>The primary artist for W5
He's still working for Paradox.

>>97316189
>>97316295
I do like the misery porn about being an actual monster but I also don't want it to be too excessive yeah. That said, I can really picture years of being like that to wear down a regular person's psyche to the point that they are just one bad day away from bashing some normie's head in. Or in a Vampire's case feeding in broad nightlight.

>>97316260
>Uktena
Erm, chud, that's Ghost Council to you.
>>97316419
Christ man, it really doesn't end. He's not the worst but it's pretty cringe to put so much emphasis on tracing stuff to fit the modern setting. It's not just lazy, it's pretty unimaginative. Especially compared to getting W20 art not that long ago.

>>97316295
>>97316424
Keep in mind too that how deep you've gone into Wyrd is what determines how hard you have to fight to keep your Clarity intact. A Wyrd 1 changeling can shrug off most Clarity issues while one at 7 is probably going to regularl have bouts of "I am the lizard queen!"

>>97316465
Man, I'd actually be scared out of my mind if some bitch bashed a dude's head in and started ranting about being the queen of lizards.

>>97316551
Average crackhead behavior desu

>>97316295
>There's some truth in that statement, but it's been exaggerated to the point of parody.
Yeah, there is some exaggeration, and not all Lost will e equaly fucked. But the point still stands. They have to be cautious 24/7, that does a lot to even mentaly strong people. Loyalists and Privateers are also a constant factor.
The Hedge as well. It's pull and utility are very often put front and center in the books. And staying in the insanity dimension, while tempting and potentialy comfy, is still a risk to their mental state.
Both editions have great examples as to what risks Clarity.

But yes, not all changelings will ultimatively turn into (mini) Gentry and kill over bring adressed wrong. It just so happens that those that will will feature a lot more often in games to give players a situation to resolve/repair/undo/prevent

>>97316465
2es clarity conditions are also fun.
Tangentaly to that, when it comes to cross splat posting Clarity gets sidelined way to often. Seeing a vamp and his herd/ghoul or how a beast acts should cause quite a lot of funny interactions.

>>97316551
Fae are wonderful, they cause wonders
Fae are terrific, they cause terror
Etc.

>>97315695
>S*lubri
Someone get Tremerefag on the line

>>97316465
Yeah, it's mostly a problem for the ones that got lost in the sauce of being a changeling and never bothered much with grounding themselves in reality. This isn't to say that a more grounded changeling is completely immune to Clarity issues, just that they can usually spend time around humans without having to worry about causing mass hysteria by accident.

A balanced group should probably have at least one character who's a little more anthropocentric and down-to-earth, and a little less invested in the Hedge, the Courts and Wyrd shit, so that the group isn't completely unhinged and rudderless when it comes to doing stuff in human society.

>>97316632
>>97316637
I would think some unwell woman killing a man in her schizo rant is neither wonderful nor terrific, given that I'll be forced to use buckshot on her just in case she's a slasher. Just another hunt in another city. Or maybe she just raped me and I end up another insane lunatic cracking people's heads open.

>>97316728
Shoot first and ask question never, that's the hunter way.

>>97316654
>unhinged and rudderless
Isn't that part of the fun though? Watching a bunch of whacked-out lads resisting the call to bumble incoherently? Possibly giving a few people PTSD.

>>97316733
Amen, and eat her fae heart to gain her powers after.

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>>97316750
>Hunting F*e to get their powers instead of doing it for the love of the game
We are not the same

>>97316637
>2es clarity conditions are also fun.
It also helps that in 2E they changed it from being a VtR style morality bar that requires XP to raise into a damage track that "doing normal stuff and connecting meaningfully with Touchstones" heals.

>>97316728
>buckshot
>on a woman
Fool. You need doeshot for that!

>>97316654
In our last campaign I played a guy who owned a building, ran a tea shop in the ground floor, and had a space for recent escapees to crash in on the second, with his own home on the third. The guy who basically always plays min-maxed crafters was a weird old guy who lived in our shared Hollow and basically spent all of his non-adventure time at the forge. Then the third player was a convict (whose fetch was still in prison) who did "odd jobs" that usually involved a knife in back alleys.

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>>97316728
I think you didn't know the full quote.

>>97316829
based
and other such zoomerisms

>>97316829
Damn, i realy fucked up that quote. But at leasts it's so iconic you still got it.

>>97316737
Depends on what sort of game you're going for. Not everyone who plays Changeling the Lost wants to double-down on the looney toons side of it.

>>97316829
Total Fae death when?

>>97316806
I hunt for pleasure, I eat them for business.
>>97316810
Silly me, must have forgotten.

>>97316829
I have never heard this quote before, but thank you friend.
>>97316907
Fair, I personally can't stomach 100% full melodrama though.

>>97316938
Thankfully, it's not a binary. There's lots of different ways of playing WoD/CofD stuff, not just wacky-gonzo-urban-fantasy-superhero-schlock and woe-is-me-misery-porn-meoldramatic-personal-horror

>>97314259
>stated in there or the players guide?
Neither, it's stated in sorcerer revised. The player's guide does however state that sorcerers with the mana background can trade it in for a Balance rating, which gives a whole host of TF-lite benefits(and drawbacks, it is a morality stat after all).

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>>97316953
>not just wacky-gonzo-urban-fantasy-superhero-schlock and woe-is-me-misery-porn-meoldramatic-personal-horror
Ah, but that’s the thing. It’s at its PEAK when it manages to be both at the same time.

>>97317190
>misery porn personal horror melodrama where you have to kill your Mage/Nephandus sister before she ruins the world for everyone else (or more accurately the city)
>characters are Dante from the Devil May Cry Series, Waluigi, Donkey Kong, and Guy Fieri but they all grew up in an orphanage they conveniently forgot about until the 75% part of the story
This is kind of a game already, though you can replace some of the characters with Clint Eastwood, Blonde Mike Tyson, Jewish Kirby, and Dante from the Devil May Cry Series (DMC2)

>>97317224
>before she ruins the world for everyone else (or more accurately the city)
Anon, if you use current era then she'll have to get into a pretty fucking long line.
The normal human are giving Pentex and Nephandic Technocracy double agents a run for their money right now. The demon lords are having to reconsider if it was even worth handing out demonic investments since the rate of return from normal mortals is orders of magnitude higher, the fuckers do it On Their Own most of the time.

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Pls, think of the poor struggling techies before you open a business. They can barely keep up...

>>97317537
This was clearly written in the 90's. The Modern syndicate is currently stuggling against the weight of NWO overhead and hyper-consolidation to prevent the largest market correction in history.
The fucking retards in NWO management are trying to start the unification centuries ahead of the timetable, before the other conventions even had time to create infrustucture for viable global hyper-economics, off-planet resource harvesting, or even creating/finding a viable extra-anthropic threat to justify a united world government. The fucking technocrtic paradigm is cracking at the seems and the other conventions are pissed off enough that front-line troops are starting to mutiny against NWO directives.

>>97317577
It's actually from the M20 book the Rich Bastard's Guide for Magic (2021).

>>97317577
The younest of conventions is trying to throw it's weight around, thinking it's a show of force. Someone is in need of a corrective funding cut and restructurization.

>>97317642
That's even fucking worse, it shows the writer hasn't been in touch with reality SINCE THE 90'S.

>>97317665
>Someone is in need of a corrective funding cut and restructurization.
That'll cause a technocratic civil war long before the syndicate has built up the infrustructure and alliances with other conventions necessary to take the drivers seat of the technocracy.
No, it'll be better to law low and allow the inevitable market corrections under the NWO's directives. It'll obviously lay the blame at their feet and will be the perfect opportunity to shatter their holdings with full convention and sleep support.

>>97317519
What is it with people fetishizing Red Talons?

>>97317882
Furries or white women, call it.

>>97317537
If the union followed The Computer's wisdom and reinstituted the pogrom we wouldn't be having these problems. The Ivory tower is a statistical waste of resources. They can't even come to a unanimous conclusion regarding their own history.

>>97317577
I'd say the 2026 state of the world beneath the Technocracy is actually the opposite of what you propose, with a Syndicate that's exploiting frictionless, borderless international trade on a global scale for everything it's worth while the New World Order are desperately begging them to scale it back, because the masses weren't ready to accept the global economy that the Syndicate has already made a reality and are threatening to backslide a hundred years.

>>97317916
Anon, read the syndicate book. They're primarily free-market decentralized exchange oriented. Consolidated Globalism, mass media control, political capture and corpratocracy is the NWO's thing.

>>97317884
>yjk
Why not both? As somewhat as a furry, I cannot do feral.

>>97317960
Don't forget that communism was primarily an ITX project according to their convention book.
The current state of the world is about as about as antithetical to the syndicate, progenitors, and void engineers as it gets.
I could see all 3 of those conventions seceding from the union like the virtual adepts at this rate.

>>97317960
I don't know what to say, if you think that an interconnected global economy that allows a corporation in one country to use the resources of a secondary country to manufacture products in a third country to be sold in a fourth country for minimal cost and maximal profit isn't a wet dream for the pro-decentralization free marketeers.

>>97318017
>for minimal cost and maximal profit isn't a wet dream for the pro-decentralization free marketeers
Here's the issue, that isn't true. Manufacturing locally actually has lower costs and stimulates the local economy to drive forward exponential progress. The current market is a trap for retarded CEOs, because it creates the illusion of higher profits that actually costs more to run long-term and requires a massive monetary expense to pull out of because of the lack of local infrustructure. The current economics are practically Nephandic in how they ruin economies across the world, cause money to lose value, and removes the ability of people to even buy things.

This talk of the Syndicate and the economy makes me wonder what WoD would be like if it was written today after two decades of the internet becoming so dominant. On the one hand everything is a lot more sanitized now, on the other hand I feel like the level of conspiracies and debauchery have risen much. We'd probably see the Rothschilds in a 202X WoD original, assuming it wasn't written by cucks.

>>97318113
You'd need good writers that are actually in touch with current day issues instead of mentally stuck in the 90's like current parawolf is.
However, I imagine the mage side of the timeline is like this:
>In the 2000's, the virtual adepts betray the traditions to try and usurp the technocracy as the leading paradigm with the ascendance of the internet, but get their dominance eaten away with a combined effort from the NWO and Syndicate.
>The NWO then promptly goes made with power after seeing they have a direct tap into the collective unconscious of humankind and tries to become uncontested in their dominance of the technocracy by trying to take complete control of the digital web.
>The syndicate try to push against them, but fail get a large portion of their field assets seized
>The NWO then try to move to a one-world government too far ahead of the timetable, causing mass destabilization of the technocratic paradigm as sleepers start unconsciously rebelling against the concept of total government control of their lives.

>>97318113
>We'd probably see the Rothschilds in a 202X WoD original
The NWO would unironically be be staffed by mostly jews. I say a large portion of the syndicate too, with the jews and non-jews having an internal civil war over control of the convention.

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>>97318113
Let's work from the ground up. What story would they want to tell, and what would be the message the writers would aim for? Maybe I am missing something, but I don't remember the point of Winter's Teeth or the visual novels.
I believe that is probably on me, even if I am not sure. I have the analytic skills of a potato.

>>97318113
I think for Mage a lot would stay the same, but it'd definitely refocus things towards the Internet. NWO want to use it to control people, Syndicate want to exploit the ecommerce potential, Void Engies want to explore it, Iteration X probably jizzes in their pants over the idea of VR. The Traditions would be mostly unchanged since they're so backwards, with the obvious exception of the VA being ascendant in their success and then getting fucked over by how the wild west got tamed again. Maybe the Etherites have something going on with discovering new tech too.

>>97318227
>and what would be the message the writers would aim for?
CEASE IMMEDIATELY.
Cwod was at it's best when it was making fun of everyone, pushing "One True Message" is how the current retards burned everything to the ground.

>TQ:
>Tell me about the big bads of your chronicles. Did you ever fight dragons? Demon Lords? Ancient Methuselahs or Legendary Mages?

Well we had to break in the middle of the action but remember that group of novice Hunters I talked about last week? Heres how it went down.
>The players, armed with rifles, silver, blades, and somehow a China Lake Grenade Launcher, venture down into the old sewers beneath the town.
>After taking out two Ghouls, they come across the experimentation room that the Tzimisce have.
>Several failed and dead pieces of flesh lie in cages, exception for one. A snarling, twisted Garou that had been fleshwarped by the Tzimisce, given two extra arms, its ribs pulled outward, a second mouth in its neck, long needle-like teeth, and patches of hairlessness all over its body.
>The Big Bad was suppose to be the Tzimisce, and he was suppose to strike against the Hunters.
>However, Garou had entered from the other side of the Sewers and came in the back way into this hide out and since they're all in full bloody rage, its a three way conflict.
>The Hunters, having been assisting the Garou since they have a mutual goal, are terrified and on the backfoot.
>One gets beaten down by a Neonate Gangrel, who gets his head rammed through from the back with a sword.
>Another gets chewed up by a Brujah, who almost managed to drain her before he was shotgun blasted in the side, then beaten and kicked into submission before getting staked.
>The Tzimisce Big Bad was fighting off the Garou effectively, and was near to the cage.
>The experimented Garou, sensing its pack and hearing all the violence, woke up from its induced stupor and began thrashing violently in its cage and binds.
>Thats when someone loads up the China Lake and fires it at the Tzimisce, who was caught off guard by a player and Garou.
>Since he had his armor and was tanking damage left and right, he was able to survive the direct hit to the upper torso/shoulder.

>>97318341
Since the Tzimisce was near the cage when the grenade exploded, the bars were blown off and the chains blasted from the ceiling, giving the twisted Garou freedom. But thats when we ended the game, since it was already midnight and I was tired. We're gonna meet up Friday and I'm still wondering if I should let the Garou rip the Tzimisce apart or run away.

>>97318227
God Reagan in this setting would be unstoppable.

>>97318368
>God Reagan
and here I thought the God Machine was scary enough

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>>97318105
In many cases, existing local infrastructure was dismantled precisely because manufacturing costs elsewhere were lower. Outsourcing wasn't the product of the political elite looking to establish a world government, it was caused by businessmen looking for the cheapest labour and the cheapest materials for their products. Local manufacturing using local materials for local customers is only feasible for certain products depending on the location and for the western world, the costs could only potentially be lower in an anarcho-capitalist scenario, with no taxes or regulations, which would be dystopian in its own right.

>>97318328
While I understand where you are coming from, I believe a mediocre or bad message leads to better than the aimless ramblings we have seen in the last 8 years.

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>>97318375
If you told me she hacked the God Machine or something along those lines I would believe you.

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can't take them seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iyxJ72G0lM
every time they're mentioned this song plays in my head

>>97318375
Sorry, I meant to put God, Reagan.*
Mmmm. I wonder how Myc would be characterized. Hes a giant fungus.

>>97318425
Now I want to draw a Ventrue Reagan...

>>97318113
If it was written today, the bad guys would probably be a lot closer to Seers of the Throne. Nowadays I think it's less widespread to believe that the elites have some misguided goal for humanity, most people probably assume they're just pedophiles that do things for personal gain.

>>97318427
He is clearly a bygone that's tied to the Center of the Earth

>>97318548
And he just loves to excrete his mind juices all over the place.

If Reagan was a Vampire, would she be a Ventrue? The more I think about it the more I feel she'd be a Nosferatu or Malkavian.

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>>97318113
If they were written by modern writers today, we wouldn't even have half the interesting Syndicate stuff and plot hooks we have.

>>97318385
>In many cases, existing local infrastructure was dismantled precisely because manufacturing costs elsewhere were lower.
Anon, reread my comment again. Specifically the part about "Retard CEOs". The cost to manufacture oversees was only low in the short term under a very specific set of oil and automation conditions.
Every CEO that bought into that is currently looking at a pit of money loses and is only kept from pulling out by the MONUMENTAL costs of needing to rebuild local infrastructure and the backroom bribes from parties who benefit from an unstable manufacturing sector.
Loca" manufacture is feasable for the vast, Vast majority of products, considering "Local" in economics means made in the same country/state/prefecture(you literally just have to remember that china was making the 60% of the products across the world using Local manufacture and then exporting them)

Globalism is a failed experiment, and everyone who knew how economics works knew it was going to fail long before it started.

>>97318561
>Syndicate being fucking Based
The even funnier part is that some WoD writer probably thought they were making the syndicate look evil as shit writing that.

>>97318561
>my convention is actually the good guys, those other losers are the real evil! just look at the printed propaganda books here, you'll see
Mage being an ideological war that mirrors real world ones was a mistake