Promethean edition>Previous>>97289132>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>WoD5 Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionHave you ever played the splat for undead monsters that want to become real boys, or have they ever played a role in your chronicle for another splat?
>Have you ever played the splat for undead monsters that want to become real boys, or have they ever played a role in your chronicle for another splat?Nobody has actually played Promethean: the Created.
>>97300469aww man :(I want to
>>97300427>Have you ever played the splat for undead monsters that want to become real boys, or have they ever played a role in your chronicle for another splat?Not really
>>97300427I played Promethean...in Mage the Ascension.I was technically reincarnation of my Creator who thought perfection of the body is necessary for Ascension alongside the perfection of the spirit.I was basically Prototype style living biomass, it was pretty fun playing alongside the daughter of my creator and the student of my creator. It was an awesome chronicle.
>>97300566>I was basically Prototype style living biomass, it was pretty fun playing alongside the daughter of my creator and the student of my creator.Lewd
>>97300427>Have you ever played the splat for undead monsters that want to become real boys, or have they ever played a role in your chronicle for another splat?I played in a chronicle where likeminded vampires got together to pursue Golconda in the 1400s, it was a pretty chill chronicle going through decades every session. Lastled 30+ sessions and all but one of us achieved it and become mortals again. The one failed went and continued to a Sabbat chronicle as pack leader of the new coterie and a Cardinal. (Yeah, IC he went full anti-humanity after failing)
>>97300427no i never played a child of osiris
>>97301090>and become mortals againAh, back in 1e?
stuff like this makes me believe that the masquarade might be possible
Roll. Result is you getting isekai'ed to World of Darkness with an established identity. 1=Camarilla Brujah Ancilla2=Sabbat Lasombra Pack Leader3=Tradition Hollow One Mage4=Technocracy Syndicate Mage5=Glass Walker Garou6=Red Talon Garou7=Seelie Changeling (Kith your choice)8=Unseelie Changeling (Kith your choice)9=Normie hunter0=Normie mortalDouble= MummyTriple=Your choice of any major or minor splat
>>97301715okay rollin
>>97301723eh could be better could be worse hollow ones have some nice rotes to start out with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms6QXjr4JaU&list=RDMs6QXjr4JaUSplat for this feel?
>>97301723I hope you like goths and emos.
>>97301729just means i am 17 again
>>97301715If you read this you are gae
>>97301801And you are Brujah, but I don't shame you for it.
>>97301715I place my fate in the hands of Caine/the Fates/probability/the Weaver/Gaia/whatever force changelings look up to/God
>>97301900>rolled mummy>forgot to put Ra on the listExcuse me, I think I have to make some offerings to atone for this mistakeEven though I have zero knowledge of MtR cosmology, so I don’t know what I’m supposed to do
>>97301912just enjoy having won at life you are immortal, depending on the mummy you are you might also get magical super therapy for free, you can pick up sorcery in addition to your own powerset and the only thing the judges really ask of you is that you aren't a humanity 3 or lower dick and that don't wipe out cities with earthquakes now horus is another question, best avoid that chap if possible
>>97301715Rollin' rollin' rollin'
>>97301715Rolling my Faith against RNG to get a divine 0
>>97301715Rolling. As long as I am not a vampire or a normie mortal, I am happy.>>97301912You are voluntarily immortal (if you wish, you can die permanently), your only true rule is to be a good guy. Help where you can, without any fear of death.Basically, you won. Lucky you.
>>97302008>Rolling. As long as I am not a vampire or a normie mortal, I am happy.Unseelie Changeling? I choose to be an Arcadian Sidhe and will change to the Seelie side post haste. Afterwards, the world is my oyster!
>>97301991>Test of faith failed>Become a vampireOff to be a humanity 3 dickhead for 500 years
>>97301715roll
>Hollow Ones>>97301723>>97301973Brujah Ancilla>>97301991>>97302031Hollow Ones and Brujah are leading so far.I wonder if this trend will continue.
>>97301912Holy fuck, I didn't expect anyone to actually roll doubles. Congrats>>97302025Should have prayed like the other dude
>>97301715Rolling
>>97301715I think it's about time we find out who or what Sunday Friend really is
>>97301715>You either get human-boos or dog-boos for GarouSlim pickings. Rolling for Dragonchad.
>>97302106Kill all humans, got it
>>97302108>He was a Fae farming glamour by fucking the hopeful into hopelessness and ruining other people's livesIs such a thing possible?>>97301912Save us from the human-hating dredges Mummy-san
>>97302108>>97302118>>>97302108>>He was a Fae farming glamour by fucking the hopeful into hopelessness and ruining other people's lives>Is such a thing possible?Oh yeah, Unseelie Ravaging fits him perfectly.
>>97302112>mfw two numbers off from greatnessThe life of Kindred is one of struggle and self-loathing. There is no hope, the Cainite must rise against the oppressors.
>>97301934>>97302008Is being a mummy really that good? Being all powerful and immortal, and the only thing I have to do is not be a dick?Also>avoid HorusI figured Set would be the guy to avoid given egyptian myth (and maybe VtM lore depending on how much it intersects with MtR lore)
>>97302136>The only thing I have is to not be a dickWell, it depends on how well you can argue your case. The laws for Mummies are actually very strict but you can argue that you are not culpable for you lacked awareness or it was necessary for greater good or something. Mummies are kind of like the Human + expansion but without the schizophrenia of being an imbued.
>>97302112>human-boosI don't see Children of GAYa on the list
How can I offer myself as a blood doll to Tremere girls?
>>97302152The Glass Walkers desperately want to be like humans and fuck them because they're spider simps, they paradoxically treat their kinfolk like shit though so there is no winning with them. Children of Gaia are just hippies.
>>97301715rolling for normal loser
>>97302177Mummy bros gain another
>>97302177Nah, God said you will be a Mummychad.
>>97302177Nooooooooo
>>97302172>The Glass Walkers desperately want to be like humansMommy long legs said it's either clarification or 0 rage, take it or leave it.
>>97302188What if just 2 rage and nicer to humanity (slightly)?>>97302187What splats are Yakub and Agartha Paul?
>>97302136Horus is the good guy because he is compared to Set: Horus himself is a dictator and bully who also happens to be the strongest mummy in the material world and who caused 100% of all mummy deserters. But again he is not Set
>>97302108But is he a Dauntain?
>>97302177You WILL clean up your roomYou WILL be productiveYou WILL be happy and enjoy life
>>97302136older edition mummies had memory problems but the revised ones don't even have that
>>97301702What the hell is this?
>>97302243some syndicate mage somehow convinced a sabbat pack to register their haven and pay taxes
>>97302136Not all powerful but pretty damed high potential and since you can live forever you should get there eventually.
>>97301715Let's see how lucky I am. Make me a Syndicate Mage!
>>97302248>i might fight the camarilla but not the irs-only sabbat vampire not hunted by the second inqusition
>>97301715RIP anon he will not be missed
>>97302248>Get hit with death>Still have to pay taxes>Don't luck out as a vamp and go to Stygia>Still pay taxesWow, even unlife is cursed.
>>97302266I am conflicted. This is honestly better for me but I really wanted to be a Syndicate Mage.Oh well, if God wants me to be a Mummy, I will be a Mummy that helps the world! And get rich too.
>>97301715ah come i am going to get the only tripple and fucking die (be a risen)
>>97302272FUCK I GOT THE WORST ONE
>>97302248>>97302270Imagine the meltdown of the poor cammie responsible for the coverup. Worth it for that alone.
>>97302272Glass Walkers have protected status due to being endangered, I'm sure he's safe
>>97302280oh well getting there are a short prologue campaign
>>97302266>>97302278There are too many Mummy-chads, us Cainites must fight back.>>97302281Welcome to the Sword of Caine brother.
>>97302280Lucky for you, dying as a mortal makes it possible for you to become a Wraith. Just die a horrific death or with heavy regrets.
>>97302297And then go through the 50 years required to learn about becoming a Risen without getting hunted for sport by seething perma-wraiths.
>>97302278MtR mentions some mummy tech-investment company or something iirc.
My HtR ST says that you can't gain Conviction ever, not even by risking it (if you risk and succeed, you simply don't lose any), unless you risk your whole pool, in which case you get as many dots as you risked, and if for any reason (even just normal spending for Edges) you get to 0 Conviction it's Game Over and you're a failed bystander forever.Is that some later edition than the core orange book? Is that a HARDMODE mod? Did I miss something?I get that the point of HtR is that you're fucked from the get go, but that seems to me like an unrecoverable spiral, especially for some creeds over others.
>>97302339Sounds like your storyteller just hates you
>>97302202>C-can I keep s-some rage?Can't be one of mom's favorite with that mindset.
>>97302339Your ST is a dick. Normally if you succeed, even just margially, you get the conviction spent, whether it is all of it or just one, and gain 1 additional point of Conviction. Hell, ST can decide to give more than 1 additional point if the situation deserves it.
>>97301715Fuck it, why not
>>97302207>You WILL clean up your room>You WILL be productiveA fate worse than death...!
>>97302418Sick, I'm gonna join House Ailil and ravage Sunday Friend-posters
>>97301715rolling
Roll. Result is you getting isekai'ed to a World of Darkness line without an established identity.1= Beast: the Ascension2= Changeling: the Apocalypse3= Demon: the Curse4= Deviant: the Created5= Geist: the Masquerade6= Hunter: the Dreaming7= Mage: the Curse8= Mummy: the Descent9= Promethean: the Awakening0= Vampire: the ForsakenDouble= Werewolf: the FallenTriple= Wraith: the Primordial
>>97302526Welcome to the pack. You must watch The Grey on how to behave like a proper wolf. Even if RL wolves don't behave like that."Wolves have a territorial range of about 200 miles, and a kill range of 30 miles"
>>97302389But how are we supposed to fight Mom's enemies without some Rage?>>97302526>>97302617Imagine being yiffers without any redeeming quality, couldn't be me.
>>97300427Oh noWhat did you doNow clay world is over …
>>97302554What the hell. I'll give it a go.
>>97302634>Imagine being yiffers without any redeeming quality, couldn't be me.They do have some quality Gifts though.
>>97302663>3>3= Demon: the Curse>What the hell. I'll give it a go.Hilarious choice of words.
>>97302429Do Changeling's really engage in friendly fire like this?
>>97302554This can only go poorly for me.>>97302682These are pretty cool actually, though are Reds any popular?
>>97301715Few people ever experience love to the level the anons love gambling.
>>97302724well well well mister las vegas mage
>>97302707I love the Talons for both their fluff and their Gifts but I get the sense I'm in the minority. Hard to pitch being a misanthropic monster as anything other than a group that is acceptable as antagonistic Gaian woofs.Also Lupus for any tribe are hard to roleplay properly. I'm not sure I want to deal with how at least one of my group would play one.
>>97302792I remember the dudes posting about the character not knowing how to use toilet paper (been 10 years too) or the one in a semi-abusive relationship with a former prosti. I suppose being a societal and technological clueless autist can be kind of interesting if done subtly though it would be very difficult. I don't really hate the Reds, I'm just not a big fan. Then again, other stuff like Shadow Lords are hard to RP properly also.Werewolf is kind of like a playable anti-hero game anyway, you have to have some level of antagonism or else you're not really an angry Werewolf.
>>97301715Rollin' rollin' rollin'. Rollin' rollin' rollin'.Need to stat heeeeeer!
>>97301715Rollin'
>>97302792Gorge my beloved, shame it's so high rank
>>97302700>literally any splat>not full of bickering, self-defeating retardsAre you new here?
>>97302850How did a hummie make it to this side of the web? If there's any consolation, you wouldn't stay human for long in WoD.
>>97302864Don't the Seelie and the Unseelie have a war going on more important than two of the same Unseelies trying to violate each other?
>>97302766>>97302833Two more mummies join Horus's Army!Mummybro's just Keep Winning!
>>97302864To be fair, Mummies don't have that issue and most anons seem to be rolling up mummies(except for the 0.01%er mage and the normie)
>>97302884No, Hekapoo can't be a mummy!
>>97302902>Rolls the "Be Young, Beautiful Wizard forever with no drawbacks" Splat>Cries in despairI really have no idea what anons want.
>>97302682Shattering Howl + Call of the Wyld sounds fun, destroy a whole city with it
>>97302920>no drawbacksMaking some assumptions there.M:TR mummies have their maximums dots in everything capped by their Morality stat "Balance", even below 5.A mummy with balance 2 has ALL his attribute, ability, hekau, etc, dots capped at 2. No exceptions.
>>97301715I want to be a Mummy, mummies are based & I curse WW for not giving us more books
>>97302958Well, time for you to literally go curse WW
>>97302923That's genuinely the real fun of werewolf that non-WTA fans don't realize, gifts have tech and combos. A high ranking get of fenris can throw down 80 dice of aggrivated damage per attack(which is kinda necessary at higher levels of WTA, because the spirits become annoying damage sponges).
Always found oWoD mummies to be pretty cringe. The final form of the "oh you thought this was a game about playing an iconic horror monster? No silly billy you're actually a super cool superhero and you must fight this strawman of what I think is wrong with the world! And remember, the vast masses of poo people don't matter, they're blind morons who are ruining the world because they don't agree with me!" Routine oWoD was so fond of.
>>97302554Please be good
>>97302920I wanted to be a whatever the fuck Hekapoo is!
>>97302952To be fair, you have to be a huge bastard to go down that down. A normal human should be able to maintain Balance 5Balance 8+ is where you are starting to turn into the morality police.
>>97302958>>97302960I will go curse White Wolf (Actually Paradox(Actually Swedes)) by mailing a delayed activation expansion curse (a crudely made pipe bomb) straight into their den of sin (Paradox HQ).
>>97303014>9 has you looking around the street like a paranoid schizophrenic looking for the most minute of Ma'at violationsMummies must be maxing out their stress meter just going on walks.
>>97303011Another Mummy.Holy shit this thread is Mummy central.
if this continues there are going to be more mummies in here than in wod (at least pre week of nightmares)
Screw it, I'm a Mummy I guess.
>>97303055>Looks at your numberYou are a double Mummy, what luck.
>>97303036We must uphold Ma'at and KILL CHAOS, uh I mean Apophis>>97303055Holy shit, I kneel before the Mummy chads.
>>97302997the 1932 Mummy film is also about an immortal sorcerer you know
>>97302952>A mummy with balance 2 has ALL his attribute, ability, hekau, etc, dots capped at 2. No exceptions.What page are you getting this from?Hekau and Attributes are mentioned on p142, but abilities aren't. It mentions specifically that Hekau can't go above Balance, but uses a different wording on Attributes saying that they can have Attributes equal to Balance, specifying that.
The Amenti doubled their numbers today. Apoopies and Setcels in shambles.
>>97303014I think Balance should take the 40 or so tenets of Ma'at & pair them up (there's a lot of similarities to the questions some Judges ask) so you basically have a soft default of 10, but every tenet you break lowers it by one, so it's not so much a hierarchy, but a sort of checklist.
>>97301715rollin for something awful
>>97302707>This can only go poorly for me.>Mage: the CurseYou were correct.
>>97303101*specifying that they can go above 5 when Balance does
>>97303124Ironically, the best roll after Mummy and choose your own options.You joined the ranks of the super-rich Mages who can go bribe destiny like it is a hooker.
>>97303011 >>97303036> Double= Werewolf: the Fallen
>>97302971Honestly that's sort of the only thing W5 got right even though it's drastically depowered (Jam Technology being a good example as it's now a Renown 7 gift). An 8 Renown Ahroun can teleport around rooms while burning hot enough to be immune to fire and burn anyone striking them for damage equal to their Glory.
We're making the World of Darkness into the World of Radiance!
>>97303131What is Mage: the Curse is around? I get a crumbling of Magic but then I realize life is gay and I'm doomed forever?
>>97303101Also the character creation process laid out sets Balance to 1 as default but asks you to distribute the usual 6/4/3 attribute spread, +2 more later, which would put you over that supposed limit. Abilities are also treated like normal, it even mentions that you can go above 3 in abilities in the later steps (3 being the maximum Balance on character creation).I don't think this reading that Balance limits every trait is correct. The way I read the book Balance limits Hekau and raises the attribute limit when it goes above 5.
>>97303160>You can command the elements>And yet you must still wageslaveGarou got it bad after their glucose guardians disappeared.
>>97303198>tfw woke warrior monk Mummies are allowed to be stronger than Antediluvians and Samurai Jack the fuck out of the game>tfw they also can't do anything because they're limited by even more moral restrictions than Samurai Jack's autistic BushidoMummies are sad guys, in a way.
>>97303085Yeah and he's an evil asshole.
>>97301715rollan
>>97302833True Fae with Titles based on Transportation.I mean, she literally makes Marco go on a 20-year Durance to earn dimension scissors then reverts him to his prior physical age and sends him home.
>>97303160Gaia above...Singing Dog's Cry, Call of the Wyld, Kiss of HeliosJust fucking torch as many motherfuckers in a city as you can
>>97303269Fifteen years, not twenty. What Kith you think she'd be?
>>97302300>Did you end up having tea and crumpets with you old mentor to peacefully discuss how he put you all in danger and how lucky it is that you are so calm and level-headed otherwise he probably would have gotten a faceful of claws.We haven't ended hiatus quite yet, peak shipping season at one of the largest Fedex facilities in the world doesn't really end until midway through January. Cassie is probably going to spend that whole scene outside chopping wood and letting the cooler heads of our Ragabash and Theurge (although he's a goober) lay into Nuncle for leaving out that he asked the other caern's Garou (which we assumed were asshole interlopers) to help out on our turf.>>97303160I genuinely can't wait for these gifts lmao. Going full Bleach "I am behind you." sounds like a joy.
>>97303198This is true
>>97303160God, they butchered Kiss of Helios.
>>97303191>What is Mage: the Curse is around?You're using speech-to-text, aren't you?
>>97303226The limits aren't that bad dude.The only problem with maintaining Balance 5 is the emotional harm clause and even then the word "emotional harm" doesn't have to be interpreted as "anything that upsets them".Other than that you just have to not burn down museums or torture people (and "people" explicitly doesn't include vampires or evil spirits and shit).Remember that you don't instantly lose your Balance or powers if you break the rules, and you get a literal trial later, so you can push the limits and take the potential loss if you really have to.
>>97303300I'm mostly familiar with W20 so I'll admit I wasn't aware that was an already existing Gift, and yeah it's not as good
>>97303122See Pic Related.You could bundle "I have not stolen" "I have not stolen food" "I have not stolen land" I have not stolen from the deceased" to Don't Commit Theft.You could bundle some into Don't PolluteBundle others into Follow the Laws, Respect the God's, etc. It's easy to boil it down into 10 Tenets, but because it's about answering individual questions I think that any individual failure should lower it, as opposed to the usual hierarchy.
>>97303308No, I just sometimes type without reading. I might be a little bit retarded for doing so.
>>97301715This is going to better than I fear, but worse than I hope.
>>97303388This is actually based, ancient Egyptian really were like that. These are different types of theft and acts of taking. Stealing land is more in an act of dishonoring who you took the land from rather than the actual act of stealing. It's basically a bunch of different crimes that in a modern sense you can argue is thievery but thematically it's more so about the wrongdoing.
>>97303323>"emotional harm" doesn't have to be interpreted as "anything that upsets them"Pretty sure they go by the Actual definition of emotion harm, AKA shit like long term trauma and PTSD, instead of modern feelings bullshit. The latter is clearly a play by apophis.
>>97303396>Red Talon againYou know I remember reading that Talons (that typically mate for life anyway like most Garou) get very depressed when the she-wolf Kinfolk they're snacking up with dies. Same for the female Talons though there were less examples.
>>97303419The difference between upset feelings and emotional harm is thin though, psychological trauma via poor parenting is certainly on there. That said though, I feel like there's a bit of a grey area with things like White Lies or showing people things that you know will hurt them but for their own benefit in the long term (ideally).
>>97303146>manipulate the stockmarket>make a few trillion>sacrifice a few priceless Ming vases for future good fortune>repeat>????>profitThe biggest problem as a Syndie is what to do with your 6+ Resources.
>>97303470The universe is your oyster.Go commission a Private World or buy a city.
>>97303416Because it covers different castes/social classes. A poor man might steal food, a noble might steal land, a King might shirk on offerings. It's all Theft, but to call a King a thief like a commoner running off with bread isn't quite the same thing.>>97303444>>97303419See "I did not terrorize" "I did not behave with violence" "I did not cause disruption of peace" etc. You got to see Ma'at itself is more about orderly conduct & not terrorizing people & causing a scene. Pronouns & micro aggressions are not a sin against Ma'at
>>97303323>not burn down museumsBut how else will we make the Br*tish return the slab?
>>97303534Rosetta stone is Pt*lemaic slop, mummies wouldn't care.
Is Dark City the closest thing to a proper Mage the Ascension movie
>>97303534The slab is my Legacy and it needs to be on display or I don't get any Sekhem from it anymore.
>>97303566I fucking love Dark City, wish more people would watch it
>>97302554I hope this other world is better than our current one!
>>97303566Just watch The Matrix
>>97301715Pls mage
>>97303604Welcome to the Syndicate.Your complimentary champagne is here.
>>97303597 >>97303191>>97302688 >>97302707Why are there two "the Curse" lines?
James Cameron is absolutely a Mage of some sort.
>>97301715Come, gimme something good.>>97302554Hedging my bets.>>97303426>be red talon>your wife is dumber than someone with downs syndrome who's lucky to live a decadeNo wonder they're so angry all the time.
>>97303582The anime psychic battle at the end ruined it for me>>97303599The kung fu shit ruins it for me
>>97303675>Hedging my bets.> 5= Geist: the MasqueradeIt could be worse.
>>97303685Is anything you like not ruined by a weird ending?
>>97303685>All the cool shit ruins it for me
>>97303685The psychic battle is inevitable as both he & the aliens have psychic powers to control reality. What were you expecting?
>>97303685>he doesn't like the alien psychics altering reality>he doesn't like the kung fu wizardsMtAs might not be your thing, try harry potter
All this mummy talk just reminds me i need to work on DC Mummies...Can anyone give me a quick run down on Earthbound & their powers/reach? Otherwise I gotta read a bunch more books. What woukd be a cool object to bind the Earthbound to? Consider its an evil piece of shit that wants to rule America by proxy
http://www.voss-gesellschaft.de/der%20wehrwolf.htm
>>97303865Weakest Earthbound usually start stronger the strongest normal Demon from DTF.Their powers scale exponentially. With their "Mastery" trait being the most overpowered Trait across the whole World of Darkness.
>>97303865earthbounds range from not being more dangerous than fallen but immobile to i can destroy cities anywhere in the world and cause chaos and madness and mutations or rip out souls from people on the same scale and run around in a sevitor body that i can also enchant with dtf busted item crafting system because of their mastery stuff and that's not counting the very big deal earthbounds who are like antes in the "too powerful to stat" territory >What woukd be a cool object to bind the Earthbound to? Consider its an evil piece of shit that wants to rule America by proxywe need to steal and purify Declaration of Independence!
Might've been mentioned here before, but I ran and finished a very short HtR v5 Chronicle last year that ended with the Cell of three becoming Imbued after meeting Gaia as Yggdrasil in the Summer Country accidentally and gaining the attention of the Messengers. Said chronicle featured two Danes and one Lithuanian. One Dane was drunk and hated Serbs, the other was young, psychotic and able to outfight a Gangrel in melee with a shovel and wanted to make a flamethrower powered by vampire blood. The Lithuanian was the sane of the three, whose superpower was that she had an extremely adorable cat. Together they kidnapped a Ghoul, rescued an innocent girl who'd been turned into a vampire accidentally, and beat the snot out of aforementioned Gangrel. Then they became Warriors of God.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sczIe6sFAw
>>97303865>Can anyone give me a quick run down on Earthbound & their powers/reach?The simplest explination is that they're demons++>They have massive faith pools and can add extra dice to all their evocations without draining/killing their thralls, unlike fallen.>Unlike fallen, they can randomly choose to possess thralls from across the continent like the Collector Hive in Mass Effect 2.>They have the ability to expand the AOE, Reach, Number of targets/effects produced, etc. with the Mastery Background >To give context for how broken the above is, Belial could use Lore of Storms 5 + Mastery 5 to create a storm large enough to permanently extinguish THE SUN. Not in a metaphorical "The sun is blodtted out by eternal storms in earths atmosphere", as in the entire sun floating in Space is gone.
>>97303913>With their "Mastery" trait being the most overpowered Trait across the whole World of DarknessIts more of a competition between Mastery and Arete/Foundation honestly.Mastery is the greatest stat ever printed for raw power, but arete is literally the "you can do literally anything" stat when it comes to versatility.
>>97303675Indeed, anybody would sneed if that was the circumstance. Could always be worse though, your tribe mandated wife could have popped out 5 kids before you.
>>97303925The Declaration is already the Mummy President in Exile's Phylactory
>>97303928Anon... are you a Malkavian irl?>>97303929Earthbounds seem super OP.
>>97303913>>97303929Crazy. What would be a good Mastery Rank to give it? It needs to be a titanic problem & able to effect America & theoretically even allies & foes of America, but not so retarded it could end everything with a blink, or invalidate the existence of the other splats doing shit.
>>97303979>are you a Malkavian irlMight be. In all honesty it was just my first foray into actually running anything WoD, and I wanted to run a game that was mostly mundane but with a cool, dramatic supernatural moment at the end that had a bit of life-affirming by experiencing the pure and unconditional love of Gaia.
>>97302997>oh you thought this was a game about playing an iconic horror monster? No silly billy you're actually a super cool superhero and you must fight this strawman of what I think is wrong with the world! And remember, the vast masses of poo people don't matter, they're blind morons who are ruining the world because they don't agree with me!Truth. And some people wonder why VtM is always the big money maker and popular one. It's the only oWoD line that actually earns its slot in the World of Darkness. Everything else is the World of Inept Superheroes jobbing to strawmen and bitching about normies.
>>97303998I probably cap it at Mastery 3 at most.It already turns single-target effects into 100 targets and it can turn simple "Radius equal to Faith in yards" into 9 miles of misery.
>Mage: the Cursehttps://files.catbox.moe/t4ssgy.jpeg
>>97304008>Truth. And some people wonder why VtM is always the big money maker and popular one. It's the only oWoD line that actually earns its slot in the World of Darkness. Everything else is the World of Inept Superheroes jobbing to strawmen and bitching about normies.lolI remember Baba Yaga, Nazi's experimenting on Vampires, cures to vampirism by syringe, EXTREME WRESTLING WARFARE!!!, Vampires wearing alien costumes etc.
>>97303604Best timeline.>>97303615Thanks fellow CEO.
>>97304008Most Vampire abilities have zero to do with common folklore. This thread's love of the Tziggers for example makes you seem very hypocritical
>Demon: the Curse
>>97304055I don't think you understand my criticism if you think any of that is a counterpoint. Silly, extra, campy, or "outlandish" things being in the setting is not the problem. The problem is so-called "monsters" being a collection of whining idealist good boys held back only by their staggering ineptitude, despite having the powers of a demigod. The vampires of VtM are monsters. If one rises above that, it's in spite of their condition, not because of it. The complaint is never about spectacle or scale, but about almost every other oWoD game being the thesis of a mediocre liberal arts student in TTRPG form. >>97304072Pop-culture is fine too. Again, you don't understand my criticism if you think I have a problem with powers that don't show up in a 15th century manuscript. It's tone and content. The other oWoD splats are just cringy little bitches that serve as a vehicle for milquetoast social commentary.
>>97304072Tziggers are also very much not superheroes, considering your fleshcrafting turns things into a gross mockery of life.
>>97304102I don't know, most splat monsters are sort of like single issue voters and not genuine superheroes. A werewolf might care somewhat about a community or humans but the end point is always about Gaia rather than anything to do with humans. And if saving Gaia requires total human death NOW, half of the Woofs and a good portion of Garou players will just go with it. I can sort of see your point with Mummy and Demon, but Changeling and Mage are too morally grey to be actual superhero good boys. Ever tradition wants to institute its own rule over normies, changelings manufacture drama to stay alive, there's nuance. Yeah it can sometimes boil down to>superhero saves the worldThough it isn't necessary.
>>97304102>milquetoast social commentary....VTM is also one of the most handfisted of them. It is no different than WTA, just the subjects are different.
>>97304102navel-gazing about your Humanity score is in fact cringe and bitchy. Vampire players are to blame for the LARPers currently killing the IP deader than it was, but in V5 I guess it's a case of you in particular getting what you deserve.
>>97304135>make kino setting>attracts the most retarded and dramatic of people as your most rabid core audienceHow does this happen?
>>97304102>The other oWoD splats are just cringy little bitches that serve as a vehicle for milquetoast social commentary>otherWhat kind of VtM have you been playing lol
>Werewolf: the Fallen
>>97304119>I don't know, most splat monsters are sort of like single issue voters and not genuine superheroesYou know what, that's fair. I still have a big issue with that approach, but it's more fair to call them single-issue voters than superheroes, even if the "default" method of play is extremely sanctimonious. "Oh you must guide the sleepers because (you)r dumbass philosophy is the right one" or "Oh the stinky normies killed wonder and dreams, aaaaah a W2 form aaaaa!" At least VtM pays lipservice to the idea that the masses matter and might even be the good guys. >>97304134It certainly might have been their intent at the start with all the "muh anarchs, rise up against the elders" shit, but that got abandoned almost immediately when they saw the player base would overwhelmingly rather play the vampire political game rather than be undead college students. >>97304135Again, you do not understand my complaint if you think I want more "waaah waaah muh humanity waaah" stuff. I want to play a damn monster. Maybe I wanna fight against it, maybe I wanna embrace it. My call. >>97304155Camarilla and sometimes Sabbat intrigue. The way most people play in VtM in my experience.
>>97304154because these idiots always latch onto anything erotic or kinky and want to twist things to suit their needs
>>97304154But the misery porn "muh personal horror" types aren't the core audience, they're just a vocal minority that got hired by the Sw*des. Most people play VtM as an amoral, character driven political thriller.
This is all the Wieck Brothers' fault btw. They're the ones who kept shitting out "dude reality is le broken" slop for splat after splat. You have them to blame for Furfag Unabomber and Sophistry: the Gaslighting.
>>97304186>I am playing as a creature of the night who literally drains people dry and has to consort with monsters to move up the social strata>this is great, not like those other social commentary games
>>97304213But I actually like Furfag the Unabomber and Sophistry: the Gaslighting. I can understand why they might not be to everyone's appeal though, they're just very cool.>>97304186Well, I can understand why WtA in particular does that but iirc Banality was actually the changeling's fault and not stinky normies. You're right though, I just think it's kind of thematic that in "World of Darkness" there aren't many actual good guys. It's a case of the Devil you know versus the Devil you don't. In the case of VtM though, the Devil you know turns out to actually be 6 devils in a trenchcoat who all hate each other and you for some reason.
>>97304190Rest in peace sweet prince I suppose, I notice it happens in DnD too. It's one thing for it to be in a game but it's another thing to force it onto the setting in such blatant ways.>>97304204The root of all evil is the Swedish I see.
>Hunter: the Dreaming
>>97304234Yeah it's got a modicum of restraint and subtlety, and you're actually allowed to lean into that stuff, rather than be le good boy who just needs to kill all those stinky baddies in a war for reality. The inherent hypocrisy of being that bloodsucker and also being a "rah rah down with the old guys" hypocrite is why nobody wanted to play as the Anarchs despite that being the original idea.I guess what we've figured out is that VtM was good in spite of authorial intent and was in fact popular only because most people rejected the original premise in favor for a cooler one.
>>97304213>Sophistry: the Gaslighting
>>97304263>rather than be le good boy who just needs to kill all those stinky baddies in a war for realityAnon, what the fuck made you think those other splats forced you to play as a good guy? Hell, VtM is one of the few that actually has morality mechanics.
>>97304238>But I actually like Furfag the Unabomber and Sophistry: the Gaslighting. I can understand why they might not be to everyone's appeal though, they're just very cool.This is the right attitude to have.
>>97304186>I want to play a damn monster. Maybe I wanna fight against it, maybe I wanna embrace it. My call.So do you think Werewolf would be improved by the basic gameplay loop being eating people over and over again?
>>97304213>Furfag Unabomber
>>97304263I think you just like VtM more and that's fine, but I think Wraith and the rest of the games have a lot of subtlety. The games themselves aren't very subtle but the themes they try to convey are subtle enough. The War for reality shit isn't really real and you're not under any reason to play as traditions or technocrats, and you don't actually have to care about the normies. It's basically trying to ride the same message as Plato's allegory of the cave (on a cosmic scale) to play more on people's overwhelming reinforcement of ignorance because things are popularly accepted. Which is kind of a neat theme, and I think it's handled with subtlety. It's just the way the game is framed isn't quite as subtle or low-impact to the real world as Vampire. Hell, you can't even imagine Werewolf happening in the same setting as VtM because Lupus Kaczynski has enough supernatural juice in him to destroy every factory in the state of Delaware until some fuck off sludge abomination comes along and rips his soul out his anus.
>>97304275>what the fuck made you think those other splats forced you to play as a good guy?Can't play Nephandi, Philly B says no. They had to have their arms twisted a bit to let you play Technoids too, since they accidentally didn't make them enough of a strawman. Very little support on playing the BSDs for similar reasons. The Garou nation is filled with aggro retards, but those aggro retards are still fighting against ontologically evil demon-hyper-capitalists, therefore you are still the good guy, you're just horribly incompetent. You're an edgy antihero at worst. >>97304284Not necessarily, but you'd wanna go back to the drawing board entirely if you wanted to make Garou feel like anything other than ubermen whose problems are almost exclusively self-inflicted. Forsaken did a decent job of making lycanthropy be a curse without fully divorcing itself from the spirit warrior conceit, but there's only so much you can do with said conceit.
>>97304325>thinks the Traditions aren't evilbuddy do I have a bridge to sell you
>>97304319>Hell, you can't even imagine Werewolf happening in the same setting as VtM because Lupus Kaczynski has enough supernatural juice in him to destroy every factory in the state of Delaware until some fuck off sludge abomination comes along and rips his soul out his anus.True. There is no such thing as "The World of Darkness." Even the writers themselves were forced to recognize it and tried (and failed) to square that circle with DtF's "layered reality" explanation.
>>97304325>can't play NephandiYou can play a total edgelord Traditions guy. You can play a Marauder, you can play the edgelord Technocrat, you can't really play Nephandi in the same way you can't play Wights in VtM.WtA also has a counter splat for Fomori.
>>97304350I choose to imagine that reality is in the eye of the beholder (the eternal MAGE). Though yeah, main-splat first, secondary splats as filler. The cosmology shit is so schizophrenic they gave up trying to make it make sense after they saw Mage and Werewolf wouldn't function together despite being the same thing.
>>97304325>Brucato screeches and basedfaces that you can't play Nephandi cuz it will make you le evil!>book includes very in depth rules ''purely for Nephandi NPC creation''really made me think
>>97304336You guys have a bad habit of making things up and saying I said that. They're the Anarchs (the worst part of VtM). The guys the writers intended to be the good guys, that are actually as bad as "The Man" because they didn't think it through. Mage is still about playing a sophist trying to gaslight people into making your vision of reality real. because normies are stinky dumb NPCs. Really, it's hilarious how VAMPIRE is the least elitist oWoD game. oWoD talked all that good shit about being "punk", but at its core it holds a dazzling amount of contempt for the common man, reducing them to non-factors except in overwhelming numbers, itself still likened to an angry mob of unwashed peasants that'll just ruin things. Now if only these fucking NPCs would listen to ME, everything would be good. Even still, the rules don't bear that out in practice. Most other splats basically agree with the Sabbat on what the value of normies is, which makes their heroic pretension all the more baffling. >>97304352Does anyone actually play as Fomori or Marauders though? I've never heard of it such games.
>Mummy: the Descent
damn you all got baited like crazyAnyway we all know the real way to make a coherent WoD is>80% VtM, 20% VtR>WtF with some of the WtA antagonists backported.>CtL (1e only)>HtV + HH>Inferno Demons>World of Darkness: Immortals>Geist the Sin Eaters>Rebuild PTC from scratch to make it about more than Pinocchio sim. >Absolutely 0 magefaggotry
>>97303998You probably don't want to use an Earthbound at all if that's what you're going for. Earthbound exist to be "Biblical" sized problems.
>>97304445Bro I just like Reckoning. I just like the Imbued.
>>97304411>Does anyone play as [optional subsplat] in (game less popular than VtM)Probably not really, and Freak Legion is pretty mediocre, but those are options. You can't really blame players for not playing it and instead using it to make NPCs or side-PC's in a mini-arc. That's just the way it is, I don't want to blame normies for everything and Vampire was exceptionally well written and at least playable compared to wraith, but normies have monstrously pedestrian tastes that really hamper their ability to appreciate everything but the most milquetoast things. Vampire is very easy to get into, playable, and doesn't require you to radically change your interpretation of the setting or align with a certain pre-set of character. A vampire or wraith can be anyone, a werewolf or mage can't be just anyone and has a certain predefined characteristic for instance. Imagine then going from how much more popular VtM is to then>You must now play a (partially) insane lunatic devoted entirely to ruining the planet and murderrapingor>You are a schizo haha heehee Malkavian brains are crunchy because they're smooove
>Vampire: the Forsaken
Sorry for the food analogy but this is all I can think, reading the last twenty or so posts.>Wow, I really like this ice cream, but I don't like any of the other desserts that this restaurant sells. I think I'm going to complain until the restaurant replaces all of those other deserts that I don't want to eat with more ice cream, even though I'm already enjoying this lovely ice cream that they already gave me.You don't have to like the whole of the World of Darkness, buddy. I'm the most annoying werewolf fag here but even I don't complain about Vampire the Masquerade should be shot in the head and replace with something more in line with Werewolf the Apocalypse. You've got your thing that you like, I've got my thing that I like, no need to go on a weird crusade about how everything should be more like the thing that you like.
>>97304445>absolutely 0 magefaggotryI cannot, reality warping is too much fun. Even if it's more Jojo reality bending than the peak bullshit Mage has going on.
>>97304503Based, this is the way. If you don't like a splat you just don't play it.
Are we really doing the "WoD is actually a huuuuuge stretch of a premise for people that are already autistic enough to try a TTRPG, my dudes" bit again? I must concur with >>97304445 that this is all bait
>Beast: the Ascensionhttps://files.catbox.moe/24jorm.jpeghttps://files.catbox.moe/tt5no3.jpeg
>>97304570stop
>>97304561The problem is more so circumventing the DnD grip in friend groups or local communities than WoD being a huge stretch Except for Wraith, you need autism for Wraith
>>97304586Yeah I figured that went without saying. Brand recognition is a helluva drug
>>97304586What is autistic about Wraith: the Oblivion? I seems like it would attract bipolar people.
>>97304243How would this one work?
>>97304503>I'm the most annoying werewolf fag hereCorrect, given your tendency to sperg out whenever someone doesn't like your game. Note: since apparently nobody understands the words that are coming out of my mouth: I am also advocating for divorcing the oWoD splats from each other. All of the Wieckslop should stay in their corner. Never let a travesty like the Week of Nightmares happen again. If anything, I'm tired of your ilk trying to subvert my wonderful VTM. After all, Vampire was the money-maker. Your gay little splats only existed because of Vampire, but they all just parasitized off of its success. If you all didn't exist, there'd be more vampire out there, and maybe just maybe we never would've gotten ParaWoD. Then again, if all these other millstone-around-the-neck gamelines didn't exist, WW never would've abandoned the setting and then we would've never gotten HtV, the only other good gameline. >>97304561It's not a huge stretch OOC, it's just lame, and it's why Vampire is always the big gameline by a significant margin.
>>97304619>setting is more alt-fantasy than urban fantasy>focused on dead people primarily>game mandated PvP>Arcanoi are bullshitIt's so different that it's the most un-WoD WoD game, though I think maybe my 2nd and 3rd point are what make it more attractive to autistic people than normies. There aren't many (if any) RPGs focused primarily around playing a dead person in a world of dead people. I think there may some supplemental material but nothing quite captures that fantasy iirc.
>>97301715Rolling. Let gods decide my fate.
>>97304647I understand that you're a bitch.
>>97304676Red Talons are rising up.
>>97304629You probably get prescient nightmares about the horrors that surround you.
>>97304647Bait used to be believable. I actually enjoy all of WoD and I like cross-splat stuff, but I'm not going to pretend I can shove VtM into a Werewolf-shaped hole.
>>97304460Good for you? They're tied up in so much metaplotfaggotry that working them into a wider setting is a mess.
>>97304687Maybe the wolf population might finally recover.
>>97304647Yeah maybe if Werewolf didn't exist there would be developmental time for Vampire to not to absolutely suck as a combat-focused chronicle, but alas not the world we live in.
i see people complain about woof fans sperging out way more than i actually see woof fans sperg out
>>97304726Garou and Tremere are contentious people alike.
>>97304726It's the same guy repeatedly. Like I'm pretty sure he doesn't even deny it.
>>97304686I accept your concession.>>97304704>I actually enjoy all of WoD and I like cross-splat stuffYou could've just said "I am a retard with no taste", would've been more succinct.>>97304724Exactly. Imagine, VtM with good combat! Now that'd be wonderful.>>97304726You haven't been here long, then. people used to post fairly milquetoast "I'm not terribly keen on WtA" statements, usually in regards to annoying cross-splat atavisms, like quantum werewolves, and the wooffags would start screeching and hollering about how great WtA is any why everyone should play it and how everyone who doesn't like WtA is a little baby that should stfu. I'm tired of going easy on them. Their game sucks and WoD deciding to follow in WtA's footsteps rather than VtM's is why the setting died and is now a second-rate cocksleeve for swedish culture vultures.
>>97304764desu you come across as more booty-bothered than anyone else here
>>97304764>follow WtA's footstepsIn what way?
>>97304780I am completely stonefaced rn. I'm just posting my thoughts in an inflammatory way because I am tired of polite discourse. >>97304793Read my earlier posts bro, I already explained it. Almost everything after follows the werewolf rubric of>You aren't actually the monster that resembles either the folklore or pop culture (this one is more important of the two, VtM is like 80% pop culture vampires) we said you were on the title>You're actually just better than the normies in almost every way but reality/the poo people/your own stupidity have conspired to make your life suck>Reclaim what this puddle-shallow strawman took from you, and feel free to rip through hundreds of normies along the way. They aren't real people anyway, and most of them are just dupes for The Thing The Writer Doesn't LikeReally the more you think about it, all the Wieck games are extremely chud-coded.
>>97304674The easiest way to get people into Wraith is to model a far shore after an anime that deals with the afterlife: Bleach is actually a prime example, since so many wraith mechanics and arcanoi transfer 1-to-1 with the setting/
What do you think about the Sons of Ether, anon? And have you played them in your games?
>>97304847>ST finishes recapping last session where you all told each other to kys yourselves (again) and fought some Spectres with partial white bone masks>Change! starts playing
>>97304456What woukd you suggest instead? Im all for suggestions. What i want is a necropolis DC shadowlands ruled by a democracy loving Mummy. The mummy has a phylactory but thebopposing cukt seized it so he doesnt have a lot of power & agency like he used to & relies on wraith & his cult (Shadow Government) & a topside DC ruled by demon worshippers (Deep State) I figured an Earthbound cult would do this well since I can attach the Earthbound to some big monument or historical relic & avoid the "the sitting president is a demon" political commentary as well as just having a more distant/amorphous villain. The Mummy & the Demon fight proxy wars through their cult for the Heart of Liberty
>>97303365It's also in W20.
>>97304015Would the Earthbound be able to cause say, storms in Kansas if needed? Perhaps by working through his cult? 9 miles should be enought to directly effect DC, but i want it to occasional shape global policy too, just not in a way that makes the weakened Mummy completely out of his league
>>97304847How about Haibane Renmei?
>>97304869You can just use regular fallen for that. Luciferans make for good spooks.
>>97304879Will you drag a house through Kansas and drop in on an unsuspecting witch?
>Changeling: the Apocalypsehttps://files.catbox.moe/s83o01.jpeghttps://files.catbox.moe/6sxrcv.jpeg
How powerful is a Changeling from Dreaming versus an Ascension mage? Like if my changeling character has beef with a mage, what can he do?
>>97304697I see the vision, final destination hunter sounds like a good way to set up a plot.
Congratulations, the Toreador have invited you to a party!You ARE going, right?
>>97304903Thats more Changeling aint it?>>97304895I dont want the villain to have a body
>Deviant: the Createdhttps://files.catbox.moe/rht76s.jpeghttps://files.catbox.moe/ffqj37.jpeg
>>97304879Have him know Touch from Afar. This way he can affect targets and places from a minimum of 10 miles (assuming he has only Faith 1 which would be stupid), at max 100.000 miles if he has Faith 10 and is willing to spend 5 extra Faith (Faith 10 x Ability 10 x1000 Mastery 3)
>>97304915https://changelingthepodcast.com/
>Geist: the Masqueradehttps://files.catbox.moe/az77nb.jpeg
>>97304973Honestly? I'd really have to weigh my options on that one. Because on one hand, turning down an invite from the Toreador will result in them trying to make you a pariah as revenge. But going could be even worse, since a non-Toreador could provide a common punching bag for the party to keep things from getting too heated, not to mention the Toreador penchant for mixing a classy evening of ballroom dancing with hardcore BDSM and getting offended if that's not YOUR cup of tea.
>Promethean: the Awakening
>>97305045The Toreador would NEVER make fun of you.
>>97305085Look, I like your stuff but can you at least post the ideas with it?Like,>Promethean the Awakened is about humans who through some event start to regress into the Primordial Man. Some Prometheans suggest this is return to our Garden of Eden selves while others argue that this is how we were in the Golden Age of Humanity in Greek Myths etc.
>Wraith: the Primordialhttps://files.catbox.moe/s34s5l.jpeg
>>97304869>The Deep State versus The Free Undead State vs The Free State all in DCThat could be kino.
>>97305088Making fun of other licks is the reason some Toreador bother to wake up in the evening.
>>97305210They only make fun of socially inept kindred. That's definitely not your case, right?
Ever managed an Ashwood Abbey x Cherion Group chronicle? And how difficult would that be?
>>97305210If there were no Nosferatu, some older wouldn't bother getting out of Torpor.>>97305255>He thinks it's only the socially inept they talk aboutThey make fun of even the most charming Ventrue for being a V*ntrue and not a Toreador behind their backs.
>>97305199What would be the free state faction? regular joe mortals?
>>97304352Also worth noting that BSD are fully stated for someone to make a playable character and they have a decent amount of lore to give ideas on chronicles for them. You can even play them as 90’s anti heroes if you lean into the “Weaver is the true villain” metaplot hook if you want (although the writers don’t intended to)>>97304381I think that what makes the nephandi notable in the “why are these antagonists playable?” question is how much Brucato seems to be genuinely frightened by the idea. For comparison, W20’s Book of the Wyrm has a couple of paragraphs that boil down to “don’t fall for the propaganda, being a BSD actually sucks”. Whereas in M20’s Book of the Fallen has the opening segment be an essay by Brucato on why rp’ing a character as evil as the nephandi can corrupt you irl, with him even bringing up cases of domestic violence he knew from his childhood to make his point
What do the fans of Wraith: the Oblivion think of this?>>97301704
>>97304853>EtheritesThey're cool. Seriously underrated.>And have you played them in your games?No, beacaus I can't find any Ascension games.
Rolled 63 (1d100)>>97301715Let me try something.
>>97304445>Absolutely 0 magefaggotryAww, the sleeper is jealous of our Gnosis.
>>97305288I imagine government but not alphabet spooks, hunters, regular joe occultists (as regular as they can be) trying to win some influence to either kick out the deep state or try to limit the influence of the undead (including the Mummy).
People who say that WoD should have Slashers have clearly don't know about the Gorehound Fomori.
>>97305290Well, to be fair, BSD have a sympathetic element to them since they basically got buck broken by the Wyrm, other Garou, Gaia. Nephandi are just in it to fuck around and find out, if they could be playable they would be That Guy with how much of an evil dick you'd have to be to really be a Nephandus. Still weird to not be able to play one, but they're almost the only group with the explicit goal of make as much suffering as humanly possible (at no gain to yourself).Brucato does come off as being a bit autistic over it though.
>>97305303>Some dude posted WraithAnyway, you can't blame players for not wanting to play a dead dude. I will blame them anyway, because playing a dead dude can be cool, but the melancholic vibe isn't for everyone.
>>97305335Better go back to abusing your wife and simping for spiders Garou bro. You'd need to roll a d999 or something to be able to get trips.
>>97305353Fomori are boring, I prefer how adaptable Slashers are and how they are a natural element of human nature.
>>97305266Ashwood Abbey is can work with the Cheiron Group but... Eh, there's basically fuck all in terms of synergy unless you flesh out the whole thing into "How would Thaumatech be used for pleasure?" and that kind of runs out of steam after 5-ish powers and gimmicks.
>>97305345>>97305199Im not opposed to it... Itd be hard to tie them to anything too non-specific, the mortals would need at least some level of organization &, they'd need to be relative small fries maybe some sort of anti-cultist task force or the like?>>97305005Nice. Is there anything else that could help with some "big brother" stuff? Now we can have the Earthbound using CIA databases to remotely drive Ted Kaczynski crazy & activate MK-Ultra stuff!
>>97305378I wasn't trying to hit trips. Uuuuuughh, forget it. A Sleeper like you just wouldn't get it.
i remember a anon told me once that there are non wolf shifter creation rules in cofd that aren't written by the goat fucker, but i don't remember in which book. Can anyone help me out?
>>97305366Risen & Wraith are fine, you just got to decide how much of each world you want in the game. You want Beetlejuice weird realities & view of the afterlife with minimal influence from the Skinlands? Do you want to be some jailbreaking Crows struggling to solve your mortal issues?
>>97305353I get that Bane Bullshittery™ is an easy explanation for all kinds of slashers gimmicks but it really doesn't add anything either.
>>97301715Maybe I'll get something good
>>97305443They are from "war against the pure" and I'm pretty sure you can mix and match most of it with the alien creation rules from "infinite macabre" amongst some other tidbits.
>>97305456thanks thanks
>>97305456>"war against the pure"Nice
>>97305443Immortals(?) has skinwalkers.
>>97305416Perhaps we have National Reserve/DC Police/Congressional Occult DivisionVersus Deep State Alphabet Agency InfernalistsVersus Free Undead Wraith Government flavored like that one legion filled with Romans. I imagine a whole lot of actual Romans would think Rome 2.0 would be incredibly cool too.
>>97305266>>97305409You could do a HtV: worse than the monsters Chronicle with Ashwood Abbey, Cheiron Group, Faithful of Shulpae (they eat monsters to gain their power) and like... a particularly edgy Lucifuge? Most people play them somewhere between Hellboy and Dante but you could go much edgier. Idk, there's probably a better pick for the fourth player. Maybe just a straight up slasher, but one of the functional ones. Could be fun, but other splats often do "play the bad guy" better. You gotta be in the mood for "worse guys (that are also underdogs) vs. bad guys" Quite specific appeal.
>>97304847>Bleach is actually a prime exampleWait what? How the fuck do you stat bleach in a wraith game?
>>97305456>>97305466I thought War against the Pure was incredibly animal-fucker adjacent.
>>97305490Make the fourth a Knight of St. George for a guy that thinks he's a do-gooder and that it's all justified to keep the Dragons sleeping or whatever bullshit
>>97305490Fair, my first thought was making supernatural sex related drugs and implants from Cheiron but that would probably make more sense.
>>97305446That's true but deciding how much of each you want is an extra layer of effort separating more normie players from touching it. A lot of normies want the whole setting instead of bits and pieces and will seethe if they can't or do not like it.
>>97305509Not really, the bestiality shenanigans are from the Changing Breeds book.
>>97305498Shinigami are just reapers bro>Japanese Reapers in Shadow Lands Japan>All have melee training and probably some strength>I'd assume captains get bigger arcanoi>They get license to fuck around in the Skin Lands briefly as a neat featureThe only problem is Soul Society isn't a piece of shit alternate reality and Hueco Mundo is too much of a piece of shit alternate reality.
>>97305515Like that dude from the manga who's hand becomes a rifle? iirc he was obsessed with jerking off.>>97305490>all this to get mogged by Tremere being chad Hunter-Liches
>>97305519One of these days we need anons to rank WtA and WtF books by bestiality and weird shit in them.
>>97305509Not really, there is some sex shit but it isn't animal-fucker stuff. The example were-bulls kidnap wolfblooded (WtF kinfolk equivalent, less explicitly breed-y but still got a bit of that kinfolk DNA in them) to turn them into more werebulls. They also like to build cults that worship them as gods. You could easily run one like an NTR antagonist. >>97305510Could definitely fuck with that. Never used the Knights of St. George myself. >>97305515It's a perfect symbiotic relationship>Abbey gets to have fun with the monster>Shulpae eats their flesh>Cheiron gets the organs for their experimental tech>Lucifuge offers its soul to Lucifer? Again this one's the weak link.Or maybe they can mix it up, AA gets them all into torturing/violating/hunting monsters for pleasure. Faithful teaches them the secrets of devouring a monster's power, and the Cheiron uses the other two hunters as test subjects for more experimental augments. >>97305536go home DaveB your stuff isn't canon at my table.
>>97305571>NTR antagonistThis is a very kek idea, maybe I'll give an attempt some day.
>>97305561... Isn't that well established?WtA > Changing Breeds > Fera > Fomorians > War Against the Pure > Forsaken
>>97305587I meant all the supplemental books and stuff too, like the Kinfolk book.WtA also doesn't seem that weird, in context.
I think DtR's greatest weakness is its lack of waifu-ness.
>>97305596Fair, fair
>>97305611Really nigga?
>>97305611What kind of waifu would you like?
>>97305611Just make your own Trish.
>>97305611there are too many games in here for me to keep up with all the abbreviations. which one was dtr again?
How would you make the ghostbusters as a hunter organization? (forma vigil)
>>97305498It's actually really easy:>Soul Reapers are a japanese variant of Angelics and the soul society is a Far Shore near japan. >Soul Reapers mainly use variants of Argos(called Shunpo by locals) and a melee-focused form of Outrage(slit into the paths of Hakuda and Zanjutsu)>The massive pools of pathos/angst and the "Spiritual Pressure" Soul-Society locals exhibit come from a variant of Usury.>Konzo is when Souls going to Soul society and/or becoming soul reapers are subject to the shadow-cleansing ritual every other angelic uses, but figured out how to preserve the subjects consciousness and will.>Zanpakuto are soulforged artifacts the have effects determined by the user's arcanoi and Eidolon. A zanpakuto spirit is the wraith's eidolon>Hueco Mundo is a far shore within the Labyrinth and is largely populated by Keui(called hollows by the locals) and Hekatonkires(called Menos Grande by the locals) who use a variant form of Moliate to become massive monsters.>Hollowfication/Arrancarfication is just the local terms for gaining a shadow/redemption with the use of Way of the Scholar arcanoi. The manifested Hollow mask of a Visored is a controlled Catharsis that allows them to access ability and arcanoi boosting Thorns.
>>97305585With any luck the players will get their revenge by making the were-bull their concubine, thus uncucking themselves.
>>97305571>>97305674What the actual fuck.
>>97305353>Gorehound FomoriI thought the 'gorehound 2.0' in the W20 book of the wyrm was pretty cool. >>97305561>weird shit in them.I think Freak Legion should win that one.
>>97305691They don't actually (have to) fuck the person they're trying to convert, just tie them to an altar, rub sage into their bare chest, and feed them some of their own blood. They have to do this outdoors, unobstructed, with the sun overhead. Some real midsommar aah shit.
>>97305658Make a variation of Taskforce Valkyrie or something along those lines. Because of how the manifestation rules work you can make an endowment that just pushes them into different conditions but iirc people hate that shit.
Speaking of femboys, I have a question for mages since I'm trying to grasp at something regarding the relation between linear and dynamic magic.Let's say you have a Mage, John Mage, create a rote or a ritual, the function and material of which are abstracted from the scenario. Unless I missed something that actually makes them very relevant. His underling-cum-boyfriend, Don Sorcerer, can perfectly replicate every step of this spell and has access to all the materials required. I understand mages function under a localised consensus of their own making. With that setup, at what point would Don Sorcerer be able to use that spell too? Is it like adding a new function to code, and now anyone, even those unrelated to the two, can cast said spell? Is Don the only non-mage who can cast it?Does he need his boyfriend holding his hand every time he does so?If Don accurately instructs a mage with a similar paradigm to John, will said 3rd party mage be able to cast it? If Don and John link up and disseminate the knowledge of this spell to enough people, does it become linear sorcery at some point? Does the Tradition John falls under important? I imagine a Technocrat's underling would have an easy time picking up some gizmo gadget.Have I gotten spellcasting wrong and this whole scenario misses the point?Is the local Tremere who harbours deepseated feelings of lust and hunger for Don in the right to wait for a good moment to gank and embrace the object of his obsession or should he just man up and take him in a direct assault?
>>97305615>>97305621>Here's my Epimorph Invasive gfA nonsense sentence uttered by the deranged.>>97305638Deviant: The Renegades
>>97305674>pack of Uratha get their family/gfs stolen from them by some were-bull>beat up were-bull before or after he turns their family into other were-bulls>make it a communal concubineFor what purpose?>>97305716Do the Uratha and other ones get their own version of this or are the werebulls unique in getting to mass produce their own furry?
>>97305716>and feed them some of their own blood>and by "blood" I mean "semen"
>>97305739That's kind of the threat the werebulls are supposed to represent. They can turn future and/or failed werewolves into werebulls instead. However, that's the only way they can make more of themselves. They have to steal your family. So they can either parasitize the population and start swarming, or be completely shut out and made a non-issue. As for the reverse-cucking it's a reference to an old meme I couldn't find but wanted to post. Chinese emperor gets cucked by femboy, who tries to blackmail him into letting him and the concubine run off together. Typical "oh dear I can't live without his cock" cuckshit. Then the Emperor declares that he'll make the femboy his concubine, thus making his seduced lover his again, because he now owns the person who owns her heart. Original concubine gets really into this and helps the Emperor rape the femboy. We do not actually get to see the act, it's just a funny meme.
>>97305765Man, you really haven't looked into it if you think it's a standalone meme that ends there.
>>97305720What am I reading? I'll attempt to decipher this, but I'm fairly certain what you're describing is turning a series of rotes into a path or something right? I'm somewhat certain that's the origins of most of the Paths and "Magic" in WoD anyway. As for>A sorcerer teaching a rote to a proper MageShouldn't be impossible regardless of the paradigm.Basically, there's Magic (proper) which is some the bullshit where some guy thinks based thoughts and just changes things to be what he wants, and then there's Rotes which are basically like magic that you're filtering through voodoo bullshit so that your brain doesn't fry, and eventually rotes should be so 2nd nature that it doesn't really need Magical aptitude to use.The Tremmy should probably just kidnap Don in the dead of night.
>>97305765Oh that's interesting. Why are they like that? Just spirits being cringe werewolves trying to be ICE or is it just there to add some weird brand of antagonist?>spoilerI think I've actually seen that one before a long time ago as well.>>97305773Where does it go from there? Anywhere to find it?
>>97305781>Why are they like that?Your ancient progenitor spirit dad killed their spirit did, and the first werebulls spawned from his shattered horns. They're a final act of spite against father wolf, required to fight and abduct his children or else their own line will die out. Technically they could've made more with an ancient dawn of time shard of a dead god (their dead spirit dad god specifically), but those aren't easy to find so they just cuck werewolves now. They also get a small mention in one of the dark eras books, this one set in the early neolithic. In a meta sense, I figure some writer thought bulls subverting someone's bloodline was funne.
>>97305812That's quite a layered joke, werebulls cucking the werewolves. Anyway, Father Wolf seems like a real piece of work given that he dumped all of his responsibility on his children like that, including several blood feuds.
>>97305781>Where does it go from there? Anywhere to find it?Night Tales from a Chinese Studio: Wang Erxi by San Se Fang Starts with a femboy seducing the wife while the husband's out, the meme bit happens, and they go all out on it, then he tells the people looking for the femboy that that's obviously his concubine.
>>97305830In Father Wolf's defense, his kids literally murdered him. Because he had gotten old and weak (or possibly crippled by another spirit god he got into a spat with). When he died, his death howl split the world of spirit and flesh further apart. They may or may not have done this on the orders of their mother, The Moon. He has so many enemies because he was the O.G. Spirit ICE, on virtue of him being the biggest and the strongest. Lot of muddy details about him. Forsaken leaves a lot less set in stone about ancient history, it even has a book of alternate origin stories/setting fixtures called Blasphemies if you want to go a different direction.
>>97305835Impressive
>>97305571Only needs a Satyr + Cult of Ecstasy mage to complete the group.
>>97305861>It was all the Werewolves's fault anywaySomethings don't change between reboots. Anyway cool, doubt I'll ever play CofD but maybe sometime.
>>97305718Going through the book it seems the organization merits almost all fall into one dot two dots three dots bonuses, I'm just not sure of what dots to give you know?
Wyrm's tooth, even for 4chan this thread is gay as fuck. Can we go one fucking day without gay sex and femboys?
Alright, so one thing I'm definitely giving the Deep State, is Subtle Knives, they'll let the Earthbound cult kill people without wounds, like the fabled heart attack gun, but it's a melee weapon. Not sure what a cool item to bind it to would be, my default idea is either membership rings or pens
>>97306200Why not gloves? Like maybe those in the know would have special branded gloves on their non-dominant hand that has that ability?
>>97301715Anywhere but Hawaii or Florida
>>97306180Perhaps if the Dogs of GAYa learned to manifest like Mage-cels did we wouldn't have Wyrm-tainted boards.
>>97306221Not subtle enough for a cult. If a third of Washington staffers had a Michael Jakson glove it would look weird. Rings & pens & stuff can be more easily overlooked
>>97306236I'm really fucking tired of magefags wanting to top garou. Find new fucking material
Weird to me that country and city gangrel are a sabbat thing, feels like it would be a general clan wide distinction
>>97306240Good point but I figure a pen or rings are too subtle for players overall. I guess membership rings would be the other thing that would be cool. Pens should probably stay more along the lines of tools for casting more flashy magic, like the neuralyzer in MIB
>>97306200>>97306240Use the covert assassination classic: umbrellas
>>97306263>Every high ranking member carrying an umbrellaNTA but this would probably be even more unsubtle, especially in a modern domestic setting having spooks acting like spies. This is a cool choice though. I'm almost tempted to suggest why not just be a extra cool and give the deep state guys special daggers or pocket knives?
>>97306248I suppose it has more to do with publication history than anything else. I do think the variants bring some colour to a rather bland clan.
>>97306313I never really thought Gangrel were bland with the whole dangerously furry stuff they have going on separating them quite a bit from the more mundane clans. Hard to say for me which clan is the most boring, I'd probably go with Toreadors. They kind of have the Brujah gimmick but less about being angry and more about aesthetic.
>>97305925I haven't watched Ghost Busters in like half a decade so I have no idea what would make sense right now.
>>97306248City Gangrel are a bloodline, it isn't a caste situation. Gangrel evidently aren't ethnic enough to get that upgrade. Most Gangrel that unlive in cities are normal Gangrel, "city gangrel" is a misnomer.
>>97306247And I'm tired of whinging little apocfags like you. Why does the gameline all about hardcore ultraviolence attract such thin-skinned fags?
>>97306413>unliveThis was a very Door post. Truly Ventrue-brained.
>>97306434You aren't wrong. I beat vampire-speak into my head to play a Ventrue years ago and it stuck around, comes out whenever I talk about vampires. Unlive, replacing day with night, etc. This was all way before HtP came out, didn't know it was such a stereotype.
>>97306443I wasn't really aware it was a stereotype either, but that scene was quite good. It does seem like a Ventrue thing to be very technical about Kindred stuff, the way a ruling clan is supposed to be. Makes me also wonder if Lasombra or Tzimisce are like that?
>>97306428I don't give two shits about wolves. I'm just sick of the same powerfully gay & attention seeking posts
>>97306483Ventrue like to drill "proper speech" into their childer, but as they're also raging masqueradefags, they definitely codeswitch like crazy. Never gonna be saying "unlive" around the mortals. Never going to use mortal terminology in an all-Kindred function. Lasombra are a lot more individualistic, I'd guess it depends on the vampire. Tzimisce are among the biggest advocates for inhumanity, so I'd bet most use vampiric terminology quite a bit, but for a very different reason. Ventrue do it to be proper, precise, accurate in what they say. Tzimisce do it as a way to revel in the fact they are no longer mortal. These are generalizations, of course.
>>97306536I'm quite a fan of this interpretation, thank you.
>>97306428he's talking about the gay RPing you weirdo
What are the best physical or mystical defenses a vampire could reasonably muster to protect itself from harm? Outside of raw Fortitude.Any Disciplines that can be used to make you near immortal? Does using Serpentis to remove your heart really give you that much advantage?
>>97306723Celerity 6+ gives you Flawless Parry
>>97305668good shit, well thought out
>>97306723If you don't mind being immobile, Cheat the Scales of Anubis.Not even sunlight will do shit to you. As long as your organs are safe.Though the original purpose of the ritual is to join Set in the afterlife after bypassing Anubis.
>>97301715Alright
>>97307222fug dude I'll join the mummies
>>97301715Rollan
>>97307222>>97307250A triple that choose to be a Mummy?Welcome brother!>>97307305Surprisingly, Glass Walkers are rising up.
>>97304411While Freak Legion sucks, I think a game where you play as fomori working at Pentex could be fun.>>97304445I mostly agree with these, but I think a Wraith/Geist fusion would be better.>>97305668Arrancar would be Orphan-Grinders.>>97305906There's some evidence to suggest Father Wolf didn't disapprove of the decision and the Pure are just coping. The Pure basically being the Red Talons and Silver Fangs, but without any of the good qualities, and insane diseased zealots.
>>97307556Honestly, I like to think of the Fire-Touched as a dark, distorted version of the Children of Gaia. They're a supposedly egalitarian cult that seeks to resolve conflict through persuasion rather than violence and would rather convince the enemy to fight alongside them than kill them. Their Tribal Oath even demands that they never tell a lie, which is identical to the ban of Unicorn, the tribal totem of the Children of Gaia.
>>97307330That are too many Mummies in this thread and not enough Sabbat.>>97307556>>97307623Interesting, though Father Wolf could have just retired with his hot wife and moved on? That's kind of neat though, I can see why Forsaken is a game some anons enjoy more than Apoc, though I also think under this interpretation the namesake is sort of a misnomer, as the Uratha wouldn't really be forsaken or have forsaken anything. Also find it a bit cool that the CofD titles are about the splat itself not some crazy catastrophe or doom, barring Mummy and Demon.
>>97307623>I like to think of the Fire-Touched as a dark, distorted version of the Children of Gaia.Fair interpretation.
>>97307803Sadly, Werewolf the Forsaken is so scared of coming across as a Wieck game that it smoothed over any issues that the Forsaken might have once had.
>>97306284You don't carry your subtle knife around everywhere, you just bring it with you when you're planning to use it.Walk down the street, 'accidentally' poke your target with your umbrella, get out.
>>97307803Father Wolf is the divine embodiment of some concepts and you can't really untangle Wolf from those things. Lord of Boundaries isn't so much a job as what Wolf is on a metaphysical level, and as a Pangaean he's a central pillar of reality, a platonic representation of concepts that the world is built atop. It's not the reflective symbology of a spirit but manifestation of the world. The Border Marches collapsing and forming the Gauntlet upon his death happened largely because Wolf was the Border Marches. Not the sort of thing you just stop doing. Hell, even mostly-death hasn't stopped Crocodile's insatiable hunger. Its liminal half-corpse poisoned the land in which it lay with an influence of maddening appetite.
>>97308659I want a group of dudes on the mummy side that are wraith using Men in Black people suits. I gotta have at least equally cool dudes on the demon side
>>97308993Equally cool like in some illuminati way where you have a bunch of Agent Smith-esque dudes showing up because of infernalist cloning technology or equally cool in like you want them to sort of stand out with like demonic artifacts and funky behavior?
Does the vinculum produced with Vaulderie expire the same way a blood bond does?
>>97306200A watch seems suitable. Blends in, but you can make it more obvious to players by saying they keep checking the time or they have it on the wrong hand or something.
>>97308145I can't claim to really know what that means but it seems a lot less social commentary and more of just a horror fantasy.>>97308930Couldn't his children just handle his job for him like they went on to do anyway without killing him or was his death so necessary for his children to start doing his job of keeping the spirit illegals out?
>>97309125They'll have to do the job either way. Having to manage and worry about someone struggling to do the job doesn't make the outcomes better. If you've got a god failing to hunt its prey and having the world suffer for it, maybe it's best if they stop. And if they can stop, maybe it's best you make them. Besides, Wolf went around breeding with just about everything looking to make perfect little god killers for a reason.The game is pretty full of commentary too. It's just different less overt parody. It's got incredibly strong ecological themes, the Pure Tribes are all talking about various dangerous ideologies, and so on.
>>97308993Could just have fallen servants. Earthbound are capable of enslaving lesser demons to their will, if they know their True Names.Plenty of cool stuff those can do.Earthbound Thralls can also get some terrifying shit.
>>97309283>>97308993Why not have vampires in the Deep State? Like Baali, or ghouls that hunt and milk vampires for their vitae in it with the resources of the deep state?
somebody bake already, I've done it twice in the last week
>>97309388Just for you.NEW THREAD>>97309570>>97309570>>97309570
