Electronic warfare edition>Previous Thread: >>97299492>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/qdYzem>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread question:What do you want next?
>>97313986>What do you want next?Eldar Space Marines
>>97313986>What do you want next?A tactica journal themed around destroyers. Release plastic destroyer upgrade kit alongside it, and bring back the disintegrator pistols moritat.
>>97313986for the Skittari journal to be actually fucking good.>>97314013also this!
>>973139863.0 Bodt journal with the SA pov.
How are Solar Aux in the new edition?
>>97314100Very good, lots of fun viable playstyles, cool mix and match customization between cohort doctrine and legiones auxilia, don't spam dracosans with demolishers or you'll be that guy. It's funny seeing everyone in my gaming group start a solar aux "allied" project for the new year (we all know it won't end as allies)
>>97313986I want more time to play games.I also want a cute gf that will play Titanicus with me while wearing not very much but let's go with the realistic goal here.
>>97313986>What do you want next?More fast attack in plastic. Sabre Tanks, Land Speeders, Javelins, Outriders, and so on.
>>97313986>TQOrfeo Cassandar with rules that let him credibly stalemate KharnNarik DreygurCassian Dracos as a Leviathan-Cortus and Adherents
>>97314200we already have a model for cassian dracos, no clue why people are asking for him when salamanders are missing all their real characters (Numeon and Forgefather T'kell who are missing rules and missing models)
>>97314215Because no one cares about BL slop
>>97314215>we already haveyou maybe, but that model hasn't been on sale for like three years and fuck ordering a bone cancer delivery system from chinaman when we could have a glorious plastic Leviathan-Cortus boxnaut kit
>>97313986>TQKheron Ophion
>>97314013they are going to mess up the design no thanks, prints already exist
>>97314117demolishers are nerfed? not even that good compared to 1.0
>>97314236What got you into the heresy hobby? For me it was BL slop.
>>97314507GW removing the option to play a full bike army from w40k.
I cancelled my order.
>>97314664The important part is that you made the decision and acted on it. Inaction is the worse thing. I salut you anon.
Anons I got suprised by a friend today. All my officers are based on the 2d pretors. I know it is not everyones thing, but I like how big they are. But I also wanted some cataphract heroes, but besides the power armoured models, even regular ones , they look very small. And here comes the suprise, my friend somehow got the scans of DA pretors, buffed their size and printed out 5 for my birthday. Now I can make a dual claw one, a paladin of Hekatonistica, a herald and chaplain. Without them feeling off. I don't remember when was the last time, I was so happy. And it is not even the models, but the fact my friend thought about me, and did it all on his own, unasked. May you have as happy decade as I just had anons. .
>>97314716wow, that's a good friend, I haven't gotten a present like that in 20 years in the hobby
>>97314664I wish I'd ordered 2. But I just don't need 2 more leviathans
>>97314769I don't have a Leviathan yet but I imagine it wouldn't be completely stupid to pair the Battleforce one with the Combat Force and mix the weapons or some shit, but then again I'm not sure if one would even want more than one Leviathan.
>>97314613What 40k edition?
>>97314781then your imagination is dogshit. It'd be absolutely completely stupid. Leviathans with melee weapons are F-tier. Leviathans with storm cannon and cyclonic melta lance are pretty much F-tier since storm does fuckall to everything and melta does nothing to anything beyond 8" and stationary (which is NEVER and NEVER for leviathan tank-hunting.) Ranged leviathan box comes with one single grav bombard and two shit guns.You can't make two mediocre leviathans with only 1 single good arm. You can't even make ONE good ranged leviathan with that single arm. And even if you wanted to make an actual tank-hunter leviathan in a dreadnought drop pod to have a 10% chance of getting in melta range (a shit idea), it'd still need 2 melta arms since they're only S8 when deepstriking or moving and it's only Dmg6 on the miracle chance you roll a 3+ to hit and 6+ to wound and it pens. With just one melta arm and one arm which doesnt even scratch tanks it wouldn't even be capable of playing pretend.
wish me luck
>>97315014Good luck my guy.
>>97314920>storm does fuckall to everything
>>97314781here's how much of a joke leviathan melta is. One melta arm vs smoked landraider, not even 1% chance of killing it (0.78%), average wounds 1.3 if you get within 8 inches, drops to zero percent flat chance from beyond 8". Even double cyclonic melta is harmless to 14, going to less than 4% chance of kill and doing two and a half avg wounds of 10.So bump your expensive super slow super short range anti-tank cripple to fighting AV13 it must be good at that? Nope, 6 cyclonic melta at an inch away into a dracosan (Av13 7w) fails to take it down 65% of the time, average 5.5 of 7 wounds. If you only have 1 melta arm (your dumb purchase suggestion) that becomes 89% chance of failing to pop the medium tank and 2.7 average of its 7.Okay, can one gun at least reliably pop AV12? You for some reason are teleported behind a sicaran's rear av12 and 6hp, with one cyclonic lance, and you've moved to get there. So long as he pops smoke, your 3 melta shots vs his rear armor succeeds 27% of the time, failing 3 of 4 tries. A double-melta leviathan costs 260 points. Just pay 100 more for Kratos and get easily 4x the offense and defense.The only place leviathan might have the slightest promise is taking grav+grav+phosphex for same 260 (which you can't as you don't own 2 gravs) and instead of needing 8" you only need 18" of a single infantry model to place all the pie plates (even if you place them 25" away behind a building on that unit.) For deathguard which makes it 22" threat range without losing dmg2 it's still less impressive only breaching on 6+ when saturnine with inversion-inversion is doing AP2 dmg3 pieplates on 2+s (5x more deadly pieplates), but the grav-grav-phosphex dread at least has pinning(2)+panic(3). Maybe there's some world knocking the primarch deathstar blob to initiative 1 is better than wiping most of the unit, but even if you did want to do that, two leviathans is pointless, slow, avoidable, harmless
>>97315019>if I put a > in front of the truth maybe it will not be truth anymore
>>97315014damnit forgot pic>>97315018thanks
>>97314788I started in 8th ed, at the very end of it. Build my army through out 9th ed. And had a full army a month before the 10th ed index for space marines dropped. Then when that happened, I found out I had no army as all bikers, biker characters, land speeders , attack bikes etc got removed from the sm codex for some reason. and it was impossible to build a "counts as" army with 3 chaplains and 3 units of outriders. So thinking that HH is more of an old player/eternal system, I moved to 3ed HH and build a WS jetbike focused army with javelin speeders in support, a unit of 10/2x5 outriders acting as my scouts and a unit of Golden Keshig to be my "hammer" unit. I finshed that 3 months before 3ed of HH dropped. Bought the last unit for my army in january with a combination of christmas money and yearly bonus.
>>97315038I feel your pain. GW deleted the entire Ravenwing army from 40k with zero warning.
>>97315048well happens I guess. And it is a lesson I only had to learn twice. Now I mostly focus on trying to learn to paint to a level I could accept. And who knows maybe before I hit 60 aka in 5 editions a full bike army is going to be legal and fun to play.
are proteus speeders good at anti-tank?for their points cost at leastyou can slap something like 2 multimeltas and 2 HK missiles on each right?or do they fit a better role?
Did he copy redmakers or did this design already exist?
>>97315189it already existed mr lawyer.
>>97315237How can trademarks be a thing, if they are just described ideas, and we can't even agree on the most basic of those. Heck some GHC enjoyers can't even agree what ever H2O is real or not. IMO we should let people do what ever they can, and the person with the better print farm in Eastern Europe wins.
>>97314025>Skitarii JournalDo we know when it's coming? What the fuck do you even expect? It's going to be minimal content. Skitarii, secutarii, transport, drone.
>>97314215I remember Xiaphas Jurr, who hosted Dracos on the last voyage of the Ebon Drake. But I don't know what did Master Chaplain Nomus Rhytan did other than order Jurr to go there, and that guy has rules. And a cool obsidian mallet.Which is weird because obsidian is known for being sharp and extremely brittle, as it is technically glass
>>97314664If the Emperor is alive and this is an age of enlightenment and rediscovery...why do imperials still have the gothic skull motif that only makes sense after ten thousand years of church law and stagnation?What's the explanation for the vox being a skull?
>>97315099Depends on the tank. Double melta speeders can OHKO most non AV14 bricks tanks with a deep strike, a couple of those and even superheavies/knights evaporate. But just straight up shooting them head on? Not really.
>>97315480The imperium was always gothic. They already have servitors.
>>97315480The imperium uses skulls because the emperor liked skulls. Because he is an orc.
>>97315652>They already have servitors.No, those are outsourced to the allied Mechanicum Autonomous Region. It is they who have always been a theocracy
>>97315021>average 5.5not a thinggggg
reworked my list due to recommendations and advice from anonsplease leave feedback>Alpha LegionHigh Command>Praetor in cataphractii w/ thunder hammer, banestrike combi-bolterCommand>Herald in cataphractii w/ thunder hammer (prime advantage: logistical benefit)>Herald in cataphractii w/ thunder hammer Logistical Benefit>3x Proteus Land Speeders w/ multi-melta, 2x HK missiles eachApex Detachment: Army VanguardElites:>5x Lernaen w/ conversion beam cannon, 1x thunder hammer, 4x banestrike combi-bolter (prime advantage: logistical benefit)>5x Lernaen w/ conversion beam cannon, 1x thunder hammer, 4x banestrike combi-bolter>5x Lernaen w/ heavy flamer, 1x thunder hammer, 4x banestrike combi-bolterLogistical Benefit>3x Proteus Land Speeders w/ Multi-melta, 2x HK missiles eachArmoured Fist>3x Land Raider CarriersHeadhunter Leviathal>2x 5 Effrit w/ meltabombs (prime advantage: combat veterans)comes to 3000 exactlythoughts?
>>97315890not going to have much board presence, staying power, or killing power with that.
considering ordering 40k ec to convert tormentors into nl inductii with fancy daggers, do you think there is a way to sell the flawless blades as a chunky duel oriented cmd squad? maybe i should order some jump packs and claim them as raptors? my intent is to do some somewhat heavy converting
>>97315036too tired to finish, was pretty inconclusive i made a ton of easy to avoid errors but it was my first game in a year
>>97315036why is bobby G completely blue, top kek
>>97316235he's supposed to be a statue
>>97316154Flawless blades are fucking huge. They're taller than even the AoD sword praetor and they're absolute gigachads standing next to Mk6 which are only as tall as chest level.Tormentors are a bit taller than Mk6 but not by much. They could work if you mix in some heresy bits and shave down the slaaneshi symbols.
bonus, imperium state building
>>97315245>some GHC enjoyers can't even agree what ever H2O is real or notWater isn't real?>>97315646Reminder the question "good antitank" specifically refers to killing AV14, like those S10 lasers on Venators, Rapiers and so on.Things that can kill AV12-13 is normal antitank. That is, highlighting that the word "good" does not mean "average"AV10-11 doesn't even exist as frontal armour, and thus is not a consideration for antitank. Those are light enough to be hurt by heavy anti-infantry, like autocannons and thunder hammers
>>97316248>They're taller than even the AoD sword praetorfuck my life really??maybe they were just particularly wealthy nostramans and were fed significantly more than the rest of the army so the disparity is actually just sovlful fluff...
>>97316282Flawless blades are a head taller than primaris marines (which is quite a bit considering they have long mishapen slaaneshi heads). They're Shaquille O'Neal compared to normal heresy infantry.
>>97316082well yeah, its an elite army of course it's not gonna have much board presence
>>97316298guess i have no choice but to proxy them as saturnine:/ (idk we'll see i still haven't done any hard conversion in a minute but i like the models enough that if they just stay as is/for display it's fine)
>>97316318okay but elite in what capacity? if it doesn't kill anything and dies quickly is it really elite?An elite army sacrifices board presence for being really really good at taking and/or holding the parts of the board they can.
>>97315480They used skulls because it was supposed to show human beauty in all forms
Started work on my arch Mahos, I was going to leave the pistol on and fluff it as a disintigrator, but I like being able to demore him to regula magos if needed. So left that and a few other bits off
>>97316264Missing a jokaero climbing it.
>>97316414Ook!
>>97316298I don't know. Guy on the right looks shorter, left guy looks larger. Though the back-mounted pipe organ and topknot sure helps. Is he a character?
>>97316437avoid the M-word at all cost, got it
>>97316475left is a noise marine which flawless blades are like another half step taller than, right is a tormentor/infractor and is just an ec themed extra good melee or ranged mook
>>97316475>>97316502(and the guy on the right is a smidge taller than mk6, not primaris)
>>97316502This is getting out of control
>>97316550it's my fault for even bringing 40k models up
>>97316475He's not big enough, marines should really sell the superhuman dread part, GW should make the next csm minis 70mm tall. Only then they will be truescaled enough to last a couple of weeks before they are too small again.
>>97316578Bro be playing 40k with Joytoy frfrhttps://youtu.be/H4K_3uvN_5Y?si=eFguzBRjh6ZxLiek
>>97316360well what would you recommend then?
>>97316268>AV10-11 doesn't even exist as frontal armourThey deepstrike dumbass, you drop in 3" away from the rear armor
>>97316480Got it captin
>>97316727...why not 8"? Aren't they armed with multi meltas?
How come some specific sergeants have inferno pistols but never characters? Inferno pistols seem rarer than actually proscribed Disintegrator pistols
>>97316943Sucks to suck.
. . .
First Titanicus game of 2026. I lost 10-5 to Audax through secondary objectives. I finally remembered to tell my opponent about the dire wolve's special deployment and so Rock 'em Sock 'em got stuck trying to intercept one of the wolves. I should have charged and destroyed the building but it didn't occur to me to do that until it was too late.
>>97317087They fucked up the shoulders on the boomer cata
>>97317088A lot of action happened in just two spots on the board. Here the Twin and Stripes did a pretty good job taking on three titans, but Stripes wasn't able to take the double inferno dog down by himself and the Twin had to chip in. It turned and wild fired its own titan by then it had also gotten a combat phase in against Stripes and soaked up enough damage.
>>97317088FUCK YEAH AT FUCK YEAH AT FUCK YEAH AT FUCK YEAH AT FUCK YEAH AT FUCK YEAH AT FUCK YEAH AT
>>97317106Bossman gets brought down by three warhounds and a dire wolf in two turns. Rock 'em Sock 'em had gotten up to the second dire wolf but its machine spirit awakened and it got to walk away from the reaver titan so all I could do was fail around with the vulcan mega bolter, but on turn 4 I was able to score a kill that way. The Pale King failed two 2+ command checks on a d10 this game which meant I wasn't able to get orders in some critical turns, though it did do some good damage with its volcano cannons it missed too many shots to score any kills itself. I rolled a lot of 1s this game but considering how last game went I couldn't complain.
>>97317087>Nu-cata the same size as old cataLol. Lmao. even.
>>97317130> Double volcano WarlordBold choice cotton
>>97317130My opponent is really getting the hand on positioning. He usually plays pretty conservatively, holding back in the early game and avoiding pushing his reactors too hard, which isn't what you'd expect from warhounds but it means he's got a lot of his firepower in just the right place and the titans are running cool enough to play with shieldbane and maximal fire.The Twin there would kill itself with its own reactor overload turn 4 and cause a magazine detonation, which killed on the of warhounds it had been fighting as well. Rock 'em Sock 'em Reaver would also detonate a warhound's magazine which did quite a bit of damage to surrounding Audax titans, but not enough. I need to look up in the FAQ if magazine detonations bypass void shields or not.Really good game. Pretty quick too. And now I get to go to a museum presentation on reindeer.
>>97317087>just slightly taller>chests are a lot smaller>kit is just three Terminators now>Power fists look like crap>fewer weapon options>unnecessary bolter redesign>shoulder pads are in three pieces for some reason>added hip platesGrim. Dark, even.
>>97317215>threeSix, they have six different sets of numbers
hmmmm maybe anon is right and I have too little board presencewhat would work better than 2 units of 5 effrit with meltabombs?something like 2 TSS with rotor cannons or volkite calivers or something?
>>97317302then that way I have guys who can be a bit further back, have lots of more models, and arent neccessarily in a dangerous position due to infiltrating
>>97317302board presence is not only ability to put things in places but also to be useful in those places. the key thing your AL list is missing is cheap line squads that you can put in corners/backline and forget about. A tactical squad on home point scoring VP+Line means you stay even with their scoring while your Lernaeans bully objectives.
>>97317215No but you don't get it, it's new and taller which means better.
>>97317336granted, a TSS would be scoring a lot less points, but would the firepower and range from something like calivers be a decent choice as an alternative?as quite simply, tacticals are boring and I think my list is lacking a bit in the anti infantry department
>>97317358Bro the height difference is so insignificant you almost need to whip out the callipers to notice it. The new cata are an absolute joke.
is this nigga OOP already? out of stock on GW's website, no results on amazon, ebay listings are for "pro painted" or don't include all components.I really only need his right arm and a hammer but the bits seller who's selling his bits is out of the arm. :(
>>97317302>>97315890I know Tacticals are no longer tax (except for one Troop Logistical Slot lol)...but no Tacticals at all? Who holds the backfield?>>97317379Oh shit bro's really going to steal DA volkite Inductii
>>97317379Dreadnoughts can claim objectives. Would be scoring the same amount of VP as TSS. Slap a pair of gravis plasma cannons on it to solve your lack of infantry clearing firepower.
>>97317087It's just me or the old Cataphractii misses the smaller shoulder pad? Btw adding a little bit of green stuff between the legs and torso just adds the missing height. I made my latest Catas in that way and imho looks much better. Absolutely no need for the new version which looks shitty and it's packed in a shitty box.
>>97317087Print your shit
>>97317495Just print the fists.
>>97317495Most likely explanation is that GW's stock ran out least played edition by the way and they haven't had the chance to do a new production run. Kratos tanks have also been out of stock for a month or two after the new edition launched.
>>97317548>Kratos tanks have also been out of stock for a month or two after the new edition launched.buy nu-Epic tank squadron, slap on big oval base. "I'm playing legion 2 or 11. the primarch was a midget."
>>97317158> Restraint with warhounds in AudaxScary. Are you guys using the matched play guide or the open war cards?> Mag detonation ignore voids?It's treated like any normal shooting attack where you get voids (unless you are too close) and ion shields/construct shields.
>>97317138Missing sucks but against a warhound just about any armor roll is a critical hit, so it's not so bad.Of course the Pale King rolled a bunch of 1s that match but that's a separate issue.
>>97317750Open war cards. They're the best.
>>97317087I see what's wrong now. The brestplate doesn't hand over the waist anymore. It just sits on top of the belt and takes away the sense of mass. Even tartaros has a bit belly to show it's got bulk.
>>97317087I wish the new termies' chest didn't angle that far in. Old termies got no neck, but the new ones have no chest. Too bad, because I think that gorget looks nice
>>97316994He looks so cute with his little hammer! [Gets melta blasted at i11 with the Pistol Gimmick]
>>97317951with the what?
>>97317793I love them but I find I forget some of the effects unless I theme the board or something.
>>97316943>>97317961SA have a gimmick where they shoot a pistol during the Focus phase of the duel (where you roll off to see who goes first), in exchange for not rolling any Focus at all. And this guy has an inferno melta pistol. It's literally an Indiana Jones moment.I think that gimmick should be available to all.
>>97318010But that is Perturabo's thing :^)
>>97317977We don't use those because they're just a big pain but the deployments and objectives are top tier
>>97317503I cant fit 2 dreadnoughts in my list currently, i'd need to take another HQ (saboteur isnt a bad shout if I can afford him!)
>>97318027no, Perturabo's thing is standing back and letting his minions shoot you, it's not an Indiana Jones thing, it's more of a Dietrich thing
>>97316994>Parry this, you filthy casual
>>97317524lol fathammer looks so dumb
my second mastodon
>>97318773Cool
>>97318773
>>97318773Almost got me
>>97318908i tried lol
>>97318922https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Db0oYKXvw
>>97318922Does the matty get a pintle option?
>>97318027>>97318224Perturabo's is such a colossally worse gimmick because it's Snapshots from a unit that is both nearby yet also unengaged yet also has good non-blast guns. So, a Land Raider that specifically has a Multi-melta, that's your only hope for a nearby unengaged unit with good non-blast guns.This compounded by the fact that an inferno pistol is that good a weapon: it will shoot full BS, so that already makes it twice as good. Deals D3, meaning it's 6 times as good already. A Land Raider needs half a dozen Lascannons to equal a single inferno pistol, because it will have moved. So, Perty's wagon better have a Multi-melta.Non-AP2 non-Big D guns need not apply.
>>97318985Kratos melta blast gun
>>97318985>Whole unit snap shots vs a single BS 4 inferno pistolNever go to Vegas anon.
>>97318940party mastodon best mastodon
>>973189851. I'd allow Masters of the Legion use their respective legion's Primarch Gambit. Mostly because many people don't use primarchs. No way Vulkan happened to be at every battle, but almost every battle did have a Praetor or Delegatus around 2. I like that SA's pistol gimmick, I wish everyone had access to it, but...2.1. ...If characters had access to inferno pistols, then all duelists would simply get one.
>>97315099speeders aren't good at anything this edition unfortunately. They can't actually crack tanks because their meltas were turned into toys and the tanks can just stick rear end to terrain or board edge then 100% of speeders are worthless, they can't beat up infantry, they can't score objectives since they're cavalry, they can't even use cover saves having a building stop a lascannon shot.If they had firing protocols(3) so they could all fire the terrible multimelta + 2 mediocre hunter-killer missiles at the same time, they'd be barely tolerable, but instead the one lucky chance they get behind a tank who forgets to simply ass-to-wall, they arent allowed to fire their 2nd missile to actually take the tank out. And no speeder will ever survive to a 2nd turn behind the enemy tank inside the enemy army.The white scars unique speeder is given FP(3) but they intentionally only allowed it to have non-antitank gun + 2 missiles so it's just as useless for tank-killing as shooting 2 guns. And costs 115 instead of the 80 of a melta-2hunter normal speeder.
>>97319011>regenerating salamander saturnine i can only get so erect
>>97318991hitting on 5+ butchers its output, 0.666 hits, 0.555 wounds, 50% chance enemy saves it using 4++ so 28% chance to do any damage at all, 3/4th the time you used a gambit to deal 0 damage to the enemy and have perturabo get murdered. It's fucking garbage.Perturabo essentially doesn't have any gambit at all. Of course, he loses to every single primarch in melee already so I guess it doesn't change a ton.
>>97318991If there's a melee happening that close to the Kratos, with the Primarch of all people, then yeah I guess.And not just the Kratos' main gun. All 6 of them lmao.
>>97319052Just dont roll a 4
>>97317590But Anon, we already have a legion of Smurfs.
>>97316384Yeeesss.... but you have to admit that usually when they do that it's with the flesh still on.
>>97315480something something memento mori maybe ?
>>97319018Anti-grav no longer stop models from getting a cover save, retard. At least know the rules of the game when you're shitposting.
>>97319168"Models with the Cavalry Type may not make use of any Cover Save granted by Terrain Features or Areas of Terrain" retardo child
>>97318985Wait, aren't inferno pistols D2? Still, they don't need to give up their attacks like Perturabo does lmao>>97319023Regenerating 2W in a erage isn't as scary as Fulgrim's, Angron's, Mortarion's, Horus', Lorgar's or Alpharius' gimmicks, anon. Unironically I no longer wish to unlock the Primarch gimmicks for wider use, as it'd only benefit the loyalists
>>97319052>Perturabo essentially doesn't have any gambit at allAnon, only he and Magnus among traitors have any gambits at all. All other traitor primarchs simply use whatever gambit their legion has. They have rules for duels, but not gambits themselves
>>97319011putting primarch gambit on Master of the LegionSSS: IHSS: NLS: SW, UM, Sallies, IWA: DA, IFB: WS, BA, TSF: RGDoesn't even get a gambit: EC, WE, DG, SoH, WB, AL A random IH praetor jumping to T8 and becoming 100% immune to infinity chainsword swings would be a bit stupid. Also funny, any random NL character would have better futuresight than Konrad Curze, as they're WIP9 and he's WIP8.Definitely not allowing it as house-rule, would be rather game-breaking and unfair overall, not an improvement on the game. You'd need to write 18 actually fair gambits for it to serve any purpose, but there are already 18 legion gambits.
>>97319214regenerating 2W per turn would be absolutely game-breaking on Saturnine Praetor. Half the reason it's such an unfair gambit is that it's +2 wounds gained and +2 initiative gained every time its used. +2 initiative is already gambit-worthy in itself, it's basically 2 free gambits in one. GW gave it a "the enemy still scores 2 wounds of combat resolution even if you heal 2" but GW forgot to give it any initiative penalties for the wounds received. Instead, being slowed by wounds is just current wounds characteristic lower than base wounds.
>>97319236* sally one moved to SSS tier actually, since it's Master of Legion. At first I'd moved it down because I was considering if sergeants and optae basic characters could use the gambits. But if it's just for Masters of the Legion, then the heal is up there with IH Toughness8.
>>97318985>>97319052jesus fucking christ anon would you please cunting learn the difference between stats and probability you absolute cock mongler
>>97319236Ferrus' gimmick could easily become "gains +1T" instead of setting it to 8. But yah there's the problem of needing to write half a dozen gambits for the traitor primarchs.And then there's Dorn's gimmick. He didn't endure what others didn't. That was Mortarion. Dorn was adopted by a king in a palace. He didn't even have cold.Say, wouldn't Russ' gimmick be at least SS? Even if it happens only once per game, that's almost always going first. And yet you out Magnus' gimmick drastically lower, even though it is a bigger bonus that happens more often and isn't single use nor force you to always use it until you can't.I don't think I take you seriously >any random NL character would have better futuresight than Konrad Curze, as they're WIP9 and he's WIP8.True...but they don't have the stats Curze has
>>97319386you children that don't understand math never have any actual numbers disproving a single thing because it's literally correct thus impossible for you to make an argument
>>97319386Everyone cares about average damage, nobody cares about the probability of 3 dice being all consecutive sixes
>>97319417"gains +1 toughness" instantly negated by Finishing Blow being +1 strength AND +1 Damage per blow.The entire primarch gambit system wasn't half-assed it's like one-sixteenth-assed. It's not even the beginnings of a system, it contributes absolutely nothing to one.
>>97319417Are you straight up retarded?A TS Praetor and a Non-TS Praetor fight. Magnus gambit is +1 initiative, because the TS only has 1 higher willpower than a regular praetor does.Leman Russ gambit is +5 initiative, 5 times the bonus.You literally have brain damage if you think the +1 initiative bonus is better than +5 initiative bonus.
>>97319435>>97319417Whoops Magnus' isn't Focus + WP, it's Focus + WP - enemy WP. So, +1 most of the time LMAO.Yeah some gimmicks are basic.>>97319260It also says no positive modifiers. I mean you still don't receive the -2i from being wounded, which is like a bonus without it explicitly counting as one. But no Bonus to Focus also means no Outside Support focus, which in Praetorian Command squads can be +2–3Also no bonuses for Light type, Combat Shield or Duelist Edge...but literally no one is ever taking that kinda of things>>97319455I might be, considering it's taking me like 15 straight minutes to write a post going back and forth 3 books in a phone lmao
How could one go about making an Excindio?
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>>97319570Good suggestion
>>97319591Excellent suggestion
>>97317495Any cheap listing for them on ebay goes quick, probably because people want the weapons
>>97319733Wonderous
>>97315480I don't mind it but I kinda wish they would have given 30k a more unique aesthetic to better differentiate it from 40k. At any rate its too late to change it now.
>>97319850"Legion" aesthetic was right there. Legions as different as UM and WE could pull it off
>>97319422anon there's literally no such thing as non-integer Damage in this game, it's spelled out in the fucking rulebook, grow up>>97319426except that's stats and not probabilityif you think playing roulette 38 times mean you're guaranteed a win, you're a fucking moronprobabilities do not stack they multiply, if you can't understand that, you don't understand probability or statistics
>>97320113Only retards talk about certainties in a dice game. Averages are informative of what a roll will look like. If you roll better, you had a good one, and if you roll lower, you did worse than you expected.But you have an educated guess, you know what to expect.And if the average roll says it's a bad idea, then you should try doing something else.Do I expect 50 heads after flipping a coin a hundred times? Damn right I do. I am aware getting 100 consecutive tails is a possibility...but there's a pretty good chance to get something close to 50 heads. If I need 50 heads, you bet I'll send at least 100 coins to get them
All probability in this game is 50/50. Either it works or it doesn't.
Gib 30k razorbacks
>>97320242truth nuke
>>97317548it's a really cool model and was golden daemon bait, has nothing to do with the edition
>>97320272Define what a Razorback is
>>97320113here we see a retard with not a single fold on his brain. A concept like 2.5 average damage (equally likely to be 2 wounds suffered or 3 wounds suffered) makes his pea-sized brain explode into the white noise static sound and his retard eyes glaze over, replaying tiktok brainrot memes and 4chan catchphrases in the hollow empty cavity that lies between his ears
>>97320305An infantry fighting vehicle
>>97320301Pull the other one, our store had kratoses lining the 30k shelf for years, I was probably the first guy who'd bought one (well, 2) during second. They all got snatched up before 3rd even officially released and the first few weeks after the painting channel was full of everyone painting one alongside their saturnine centurion conversions.
>>97320341BEHOLD, a razorback!
>>97320379infantry fighting vehicles can take more than one occupant, pedantic midwit retard.
