Archives & Other Resources: https://rentry.co/cyoagAllsync: https://cyoa.allsync.com/s/owWor64yLTngDk3Previous thread: >>97316391>Thread Question:Have you ever seen a person die? If yes, how many?
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>>97322432>Have you ever seen a person die? If yes, how many?No. I have however seen a cloud in the shape of a dinosaur.
>>97322447>>97322454Wow!
>>97322432Well, that's a depressing and off-topic thread question
>>97322469It is a depressing and off-topic general. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>97322478Because of shitposters lke you, yes.
Bad guy werewolves are monsters.Good guy werewolves are superheroes.
>>97322487That is also true. Really, I wanted to start a thread ASAP and by habit I always put in a thread question, and I couldn't be bothered to think up a better one.
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>>97322432Body: UnchangedPowers: Precognition, Luck, Clairvoyance, IllusionsFaction: IndependentHarbinger: SupporterStat Boosts: Control 1Perks: Empowered (Diamonds), Aesthetic, Infectious, AgentDrawbacks: Needy, Weakness (Oganesson), Power Source (Food), WorkloadStyle: Layered, Stealth, Tactical, Covering, Self Repair, CollapsibleMilestones: Hunter, Liability, Piggybank, StimulusMissions: War Summit, Schism, Super School, AnomalyWith Luck and Precognition I should be able to just breeze through life and sidestep problems before they even show up. Clairvoyance and Precognition should synergise to let my visions see further, and I should hopefully be able to use my Luck powers through Clairvoyance to further bend situations to my advantage. Illusion is for both fun and to fuck with the precog of others so I win the information war. I'll sell my services to those I deem worthy, most likely Elysium since they seem more my speed.
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>>97317717I hope you aren't lying. Because I love capeshit, and if there is immortality, I have a shit ton of high-tier images I have been dying to make an image build out of pic realted
>>97322553Watch and learn, spitefags: this is how you demotivate a creator.
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Anon in the last thread was right, you're really catering to the worst kind of scum when you include immortality options
>>97322553So this is your perfect woman, cyoag? No wonder redditors laugh at you lmao
>>97322577You're right, there's nothing more revolting than tok being himself.
>>97322618Just because Tok likes it doesn't mean it's inherently bad. Unless you're also going to say that only scum like breathing oxygen and being alive.
>>97322628>just because a murderer like to murder, it doesn't mean it's inherently bad.
>>97322432I once visited the wake of my great aunt and they had her body on a tableNo one warned me about it before hand. I didn’t react too obviously but it was weirdOther then that no
>>97322632...Murder isn't bad because murderers like it anon.
>>97322432>Have you ever seen a person die? If yes, how many?No.
>>97322632>I refuse to breathe because a bad person did it
>>97322632No, more like:>Just because hilter drank water doesn't mean drinking water is now bad.
>>97322639>No caps>Spelling error>Nonsense moralismYou should recognise the new schizo
>>97322432No. I don't want to see anyone die. How long until Mom dies? My friends? My siblings? You said you were here with me forever, but a lot of people already stopped posting. How many of them are gone somewhere I can't see? Don't bring up death until there is an immortality perk.
>>97322646NTA but I think keeping up with schizos poison your thread experience.
>>97322644>hilterIt's not th𝘢t bad of a city anon.
>>97322651I want to be with you foreverI want to have a loving wife and children, and a job that only takes about 2 hours of work a day. Then I want to spend my free time working on art and discussing bullshit with you (other then time spent with wife&kids)If I am ever removed it will be against my willOr because everyone cool leftOr because we went to a better websiteOr because I experienced identity death
>>97322656Nah, just treat them the same way you treat Lolcows. Watch them schizo out and eat popcorn, but don't engage.
>>97322632>>97322643>>97322644All of your arguments are retarded strawman. The point is; immortalitytards always deserve less, tok being one only adds more proof to this fact.
>>97322656You just don’t respond to certain patterns of retardationIf you don’t care it will be fine
I wonder how many miserable hiki NEETs are no longer with us...maybe that's why the culture has changed so much in the last 5 years.
>>97322628>tok breathes air>I breathe airwhat have I become....
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>>97322697People like me can't help but care. I'm an empath, you see.
>>97322692>Anon posts a strawman>Multiple other anons point out it's a strawman using examples>Anon replies: "No U""Accuse your enemy of what you are doing, as you are doing it, to create confusion." - Author Unknown
Anons that say they don't care about waifus are deluded.They are an integral part of CYOAs as a whole.
>>97322715>I wonder how many miserable hiki NEETs are no longer with usYou mean dead or, dare I say, employed?
>>97322768ded because of the thread question and the anons discussing death
>>97322767>They are an integral part of CYOAs as a whole.Why would romantic conduits be integral to anything?
>start working on cyoa about mind powers>come up with powers easily >cant come up with proper worldbuilding options, enemies and other shit that was plannedHuh, turns out it was me who's a dumb retard with no fantasy after all. Guess it's time to just fill the blanks with anime girls and weird words pulled from thesaurus that vaguely relate to what I'm describing
>>97322794Love is one of the most common vectors for adventure across fiction, myth, and games. CYOAs are built on choice, and choice only matters when something is at stake. Romance is one such stake, but it’s hardly the only one. Even in a purely action-oriented CYOA about gunning down faceless monsters, something else fills the same structural role: hate, loyalty to a battle-brother, trust in a squad, the pursuit of strength, survival, purpose, or meaning. Those are emotional and conceptual conduits that give weight to decisions. “Waifus” aren’t integral because of romance specifically; they’re integral because CYOAs require human (or at least personal) attachment to make choices meaningful. Strip that away entirely and you’re left with a spreadsheet, not an adventure.This reframes the issue away from taste and toward structure: CYOAs run on values, and romance is simply one of the most efficient and widely used ways to express them.
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>>97322800>cant come up with proper worldbuilding options, enemies and other shit that was plannedWhat are you going for, you're literally on the best forum for farming ideas. Anons have been training their imagination for Years here.
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>>97322824Okay, ChatGPT, now run the prompt again, but now you're talking as an deeply religious old British professor with conservative values and thick accent.
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>>97322869Love, young man, is not some modern indulgence smuggled into adventure by sentimentalists; it is one of the oldest engines of human action we possess. Scripture, epic, history—all are propelled by it. A CYOA, being nothing more than a moral machine built of choices, must necessarily concern itself with values, and love is among the most fundamental of these. Remove it, and you do not arrive at purity, but at emptiness. Even the most belligerent fantasy of slaughtering nameless foes is not value-neutral: it merely substitutes love with hatred, loyalty, duty, comradeship, or the pursuit of strength. A man does not fight without reason, nor choose without attachment. Romance is not “integral” because it is titillating, but because it is a shorthand for meaning. Where there is choice, there must be something worth choosing for—or against. Absent that, you have not an adventure, but a sterile exercise in arithmetic masquerading as one.
>>97322626not cyoag's perfect woman, just toks and his cronies, rest of us are, relatively, normal
>>97322553>sample_>not even good bimbo artabsolutely pathetic
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>>97322800>Guess it's time to just fill the blanks with anime girls
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>>97322880>sample_What do my file names have to do with it?>not even good bimbo artIt's top tier dare I say Tok tier! Also, I don't see you posting any bimbo art for your upcoming image build for the capeshit CYOA allegedly Sylen will release on Friday. If you got anything better, post it or be forever known as a bimbo enjoyer poser.
>>97322878I kneel. I genuflect. I kowtow.
I LIKE GIL KINOPOST GIL KINO
Immortality in cyoas is preferably possible but difficult enough to achieve that retards with skill issues (= majority of immortalityfags) get filtered.
>>97322819Shoutout to authors that make their cyoas look nice that shit's hard.
>>97322904>What do my file names have to do with it?Because that filename means you didnt save the full res image you retard. Its the filename booru gives you when you save a "thumbnail". Press "click here to expand image" before saving you filthy, retarded, animal. >It's top tier>>97322553 is absolute dogwater. >I don't see you posting any bimbo art for your upcoming image build for the capeshit CYOA allegedly Sylen will release on FridayWhy would I plan my build before the cyoa is even out. And why would I make a bimbo of all things? >>97322914>Shoutout to authors that make their cyoas look nicepic unrelated, I assume.
>>97322913False it should be impossible just to filter immortalityfags entirely.
>>97322909there is no gil kino now KYS
>>97322934>>97322913Immortality should only be given to the deserving (me) and nobody else. All CYOAs should have 0 immortality options so that the deserving ones (me) could Sartre it in anyway and make all other immortalityfags seethe.
Anon in the last thread was right, you're really catering to the worst kind of scum when you don't include immortality options
>>97322934It being explicitly 100% impossible is just lame world building.>>97322944>Sartresartrefags are cross-eyed little faggots
I'm glad the catfags make sure to mark their posts so everyone knows which opinions aren't worth considering.
>>97322957Seethe, nigger
>>97322970no u
Remember to pull a SC and give souls a built-in expiration date so biological immortalityfags get punished for being lazy
>>97322963>which opinions aren't worth consideringnah just this fag here who hates fun >>97322934
CYOAs for this feel?
I feel a huge difference between living 100 vs 1000 years. (let's assume eternal youth while it lasts)But living 100 000 vs 1 000 000 years feels about the same to me. Rationally I realize you can do 10 times more things in the time, and some projects may really require that. But I don't feel it in my bones. In my bones I feel they're the same.
>>97322913>dog comes in and kills both cats and claims their territoryproblem solved.
>Gets isekai'd>Goeddess offers anon powers with a point budget >Anon declines immortality>"I'll just achieve it myself and spend the points on more power. Only fags pay for immortality.">Anon is super strong, super smart, super fast, super tough, and has a harem of waifus>Anon thought he could invent immortality through science, but the limited scientific knowledge that was available in the generic fantasy world would take me more than a human lifetime to advance to the level where he could achieve immortality.>Like countless mages before him, Anon failed to achieve immortality through magical means. If anyone had succeeded, immortality would be readily available to those who could afford it.>"I guess I'm dying now. I had pretty fun adventuring during my teenage years into my forties, but once I die I'll ask the goddess for that immortality, fucking sucks to be old.">Anon dies>"Hello goddess, about that immortality, I want it for my next life.">"Sorry anon, you're not going to get isekai'd again. I was simply bored and wanted some entertainment, but your life was kinda boring to watch, so I'm not giving you a second chance to bore me. I'm just gonna wipe your memory and have you reincarnate as some random child, no special treatment. Don't tell me you counted on me giving you a second isekai hero treatment? If you wanted immortality, you should have picked it when I offered it to you."
>>97322963Its like an even more retarded form of frogposter
>>97323055>Wasted points on being a fucking spellblade buildWhat a fucking loser
>>97323031cats own the dog house
>>97322856>What are you going forWell, the general gist is as such>(You) get put into a containment and experimented on>Acquire psionic powers>Escape >The world isn't the same as it was, some people have superpowers>(You) are the only one with true, proper, no "uhm, actually" attached, mind powers >An end goal of your choosing that you pursueI've already got covered basically everything up to the "back into the big world" part (I tried my best to get the most of generic tropes like shadow government, religious cult, evil corp etc), where I struggle with trying to write a concise and not completely retarded reason why superheroes are a thing now. I guess, what I really would like is for anons to tell me their preferences about following things:1. Do you like it when CYOA has a pre-set end goal for you, several options, or just have none outside of "here's new You, enjoy life"?2. Do you prefer options to be explained in detail, or be only detailed enough to get the general idea and eliminate any confusion?3. Do you prefer to have a "pick a positive, and a negative, for every negative pick another positive" sort of price or "you have X points, this option costs Y"?4. Do you prefer lore descriptions to be vague with little to no names, or to be detailed and more set in stone?5. Do you prefer characters to be more of vague archetypes or more pre-written and elaborated on? ("You will be pursued by a heavily armoured bounty hunter" vs "Huge Fuckman, experienced mercenary armed with handheld naval cannon, custom titanium combat suit and a mild case of acromegaly, will chase you until one of you dies")6. Do you prefer to for CYOA to have more math and numbers (relatively speaking), or be closer to pure exercise in imagination?
>>97322913i agree with this anon, it should be something you can work towards and get if you do it right, my only exception being like if youre doing civ building or overlord type stuff cause then it could be gotten in other ways like idk it being gifted to you but you have to do something for the person giving it to you like conquer a planet or smth, or maybe make it something that has to be maintained like idk religion based immortality or one that requires resources to do (hopefully not people sacrifice), all so that the person can focus on being the best ruler they possibly can be, and hopefully be done in a way to de-incentivize being a tyrannical dick head
>>97323069Fuck, forgot one mord question:7. Do you prefer it when options combine positive with bad ("You're really strong but slow") or to have positives and negatives be separate so you can mix and match?
>>97322932>Because that filename means you didnt save the full res image you retard. Its the filename booru gives you when you save a "thumbnail".I did not get either of those images from booru.
>>97323055skill issue not having an entertaining life kek
>>97322913This is you >>97323055
>>97323055>Gets isekai'd>Goeddess offers anon powers with a point budget >Anon buys immortality for 1/10 of his points>dies in battle because he just wasn't fast enough to prevent himself from being decapitated
>>97323055>has a harem of waifus>your life was kinda boring to watchthe goddess was not impressed by your sex skillsSkill issue
>>97323096Anon deserved to die for making a shit build. I bet he made an autism-free basic bitch vanilla human warrior build.
>>97323092that's the exact opposite what I said
>>97323102If you were an isekaing god, and expected some entertainment out of it, would it be from watching the isekai'd hero bang his obligatory waifus? Of course not. I'd rather want glorious misadventures, like that flashback isekai hero from Konosuba.
>>97323102Don't cut anon short, he could have been a sex god when he was young. But most men suffer from erectile dysfunction and a lower libido in their older age, so that was probably what happened to him.
>>97323125Immortalfags are always casters dummyThey get ganked easily by melee martials that spec in speed/sneak attacks
>>97323096If you can't make a broken overpowered build with 9/10 points, then I don't see how 1 point would make a difference.
>>97323096Aren't you just describing that one gil cyoa?
>>97323069>>97323085This will be a lone post, here goes:>where I struggle with trying to write a concise and not completely retarded reason why superheroes are a thing nowThis one is super easy, make them partially awakened psychic/psionics while the player is the first fully awakend psychic/psionic.Literally all comicbook superpowers are variations of psionic abilities with additional limitations/drawbacks layered on top. Specifically the 4 psionic powers Telekinesis, Telepathy, Teleportation/Portal Creation, and Bio-Kinesis.>1. Do you like it when CYOA has a pre-set end goal for you, several options, or just have none outside of "here's new You, enjoy life"?Depends on if it has a very clear storyline woven throughout the CYOA.It's also possible to mix-and-match. Having an end goal or list of end goals doesn't mean those are anons only goals. You can leave most "End Missions" rather open-ended if you word it right.>2. Do you prefer options to be explained in detail, or be only detailed enough to get the general idea and eliminate any confusion?Depends how much detail we're talking, not one wants to read a wikipedia page per option and "general Gist" can also leave anons with so many questions about power interactions or limitations that it effectively describes nothing.>3. Do you prefer to have a "pick a positive, and a negative, for every negative pick another positive" sort of price or "you have X points, this option costs Y"?Depends on power level of options. Really overpowered shit having inherent drawbacks is great worldbuilding. Lots of minor powers that you combo being separate from drawbacks is great for balance.You can also mix-and-match here as well.>4. Do you prefer lore descriptions to be vague with little to no names, or to be detailed and more set in stone?Depend on setting, but the latter is generally better. See: literally all the most popular long-form CYOA.
>>97323154dexfags will never prosperAbsolutely everyone bullies them
>>97323154Try decapitating me you filthy deathist
>>97323199>5. Do you prefer characters to be more of vague archetypes or more pre-written and elaborated on?Generally the latter for enemies, but you can be a bit more vague with companions and waifubait>6. Do you prefer to for CYOA to have more math and numbers (relatively speaking), or be closer to pure exercise in imagination?More of the middleground. Options need to have points and balance for long-form cyoa, but nobody likes calculus>7. Do you prefer it when options combine positive with bad ("You're really strong but slow") or to have positives and negatives be separate so you can mix and match?See my answer for 3. I may have misunderstood what you were asking for that one.
>>97323163The ntr one?
>>97322794Because they are both motivation to adventure and windows into the setting.
>>97323215Yes. You could pick immortality, but it cost exactly enough points to prevent you from picking options that would have you survive and win the fight against the BBEG.
>>97323022Luminary(Hus)
>>97323215Funny thing is, the point system is non-functional. Below 4 points is loss, above 4 points is win with NTR, but 4 points exactly is never elaborated on. You could headcanon that 4 points exactly is the magic sweet-spot that prevents all NTR if you wanted.
>>97323096It's just fate, the goddess was planning to kill you no matter what, even if it would have required some complicated final destination Rube Goldberg bullshit. She is just trying to gaslight you in think that you failed because you made a bad build and could have saved yourself if you picked another option. But there will never be enough points and she will kill you with the option you did not choose.
>>97323244So your saying this is a JRPG setting where the real goal is to shatter fate and kill a god?
>>97323244Why does she care so much about killing anon? And why did she isekai him and give him a chance to live a long, happy life if she was going to kill him no matter what?
>>97323273Because its funny making anon miserable.
>>97323199>>97323213Thanks for answering. It's a bit hard to gauge what people think about certain things because they often like or dislike some cyoas for unrelated reasons or just shitpost or simply not mention their preferences at all.And I like the "everyone is a psychic in one way or another" idea for superpowers. I'll remember it.
Ok how about this system for immortality?There are several schools of magic each one has independent levels of mastery apprentice, journeyman and master.There are extremely few masters of even one school of magic.Each level of mastery has to be bought separately that then allows you to buy spells in that level to progress from one level to the next you have to buy a certain number of spells from the previous level before buying access to the next one.Separated from this is longevity enhancement magic from which each tier unlocks by unlocking any apprentice then any journeyman and finally any master level schools of magic.Each level costs the same as a spell and each increases how long your potential lifespan is first you can live for up to around 300 years, then a thousand years and finally you become ageless.Another separate aspect might be a sort of mana pool to increase its capacity.
>>97323303Or, you could throw out the need for systems of immortality entirely and just include the worldbuilding elements that immortals like vampires, deified mortals, etc, all exist and anyone could theoretically become one.A CYOA has zero need to include immortality as a points option, immortality is just fine as a goal anon can work for on their own.
>>97323303So everyone is point taxed into getting a master's level school of magic?
>>97323344>he wants to be a jack of all trades master of nonengmi
>>97323069>1. Do you like it when CYOA has a pre-set end goal for you, several options, or just have none outside of "here's new You, enjoy life"?There should be long-term threats (but not world-ending kind, I hate those) like wars between major powers that engage all of society, that would almost certainly push the player to engage with them in some way. That's like an alternative to explicit end goals, and it's a lot better. An end goal is something which exists in the PC's mind; in most cases when the author dictates what goes on in the PC's mind, it's overstepping and limiting and bad.>2. Do you prefer options to be explained in detail, or be only detailed enough to get the general idea and eliminate any confusion?I prefer very short option texts for powers and items. I am fine with long option texts for companions, factions and locations.>3. Do you prefer to have a "pick a positive, and a negative, for every negative pick another positive" sort of price or "you have X points, this option costs Y"?IMO if you can make it work without points, you should. Points may become inevitable past a certain level of complexity, but it's worse than point-less design.>4. Do you prefer lore descriptions to be vague with little to no names, or to be detailed and more set in stone?I prefer as few proper names as possible.
>>97323359>5. Do you prefer characters to be more of vague archetypes or more pre-written and elaborated on? ("You will be pursued by a heavily armoured bounty hunter" vs "Huge Fuckman, experienced mercenary armed with handheld naval cannon, custom titanium combat suit and a mild case of acromegaly, will chase you until one of you dies")N/A, it's very contextual. But some elaboration is better than other - for example "custom titanium combat suit" doesn't really tell the player much more than just "heavy armor", and "experienced" can probably be inferred from context, those could be omitted. Meanwhile "armed with handheld naval cannon" is good detail - thematically cool and may affect the response against for him.>6. Do you prefer to for CYOA to have more math and numbers (relatively speaking), or be closer topure exercise in imagination?N/A, it's very contextual. I definitely like population numbers written out, or the numbers of members in factions (very rare for some reason). But math and numbers relating to something more meta like levels (like the video game stats autism in Overlord) is horrible. Also, getting numbers right may just be too difficult for the author; for example in almost every CYOA which describes lift strength for a strength superpower, it's pathetically weak compared to other powers of similar cost - in those cases I end up wishing it hadn't been described in numbers.>7. Do you prefer it when options combine positive with bad ("You're really strong but slow") or to have positives and negatives be separate so you can mix and match?A mix: some combination traits but mostly separate traits.
>>97323357No, I might want to do a martial build, but I want immortality because being a mortal martial fucking sucks
>>97323269To be a true classic JRPG setting it would have to be something like this:It starts off as normal medieval/renaissance fantasy world, but soon you discover that actually highly advanced ancient humans crashlanded on this planet, and colony ship's AI tried to terramorph the planet the best it could with Mana Fuel (that everyone previously thought was essence of pure magic), but it failed mid-way, AI turning off from strain and humans scattering from the colony ship all over the continent (strain of FTL travel and stasis warped their memories, and barely functioning cerebro-learning devices implanted some practical skills on them but messed things up ever further, so no one even remembers where they came from)Thousand years later AI wakes up and sees shat is (in it's eyes) deranged troglodytes playing in a half-constructed playground. It decides to gather Mana Fuel and finish terramorphing the planet, but that will kill everyone (AI doesn't care). You and a group of plucky outcasts travel the continent, battling evildoers and magical beasts, AI's unwitting minions and ancient weapons of war.Eventually you face the AI core. It starts off smug, almost emotionless, but quickly starts ranting about how humanity is weak and can't rise beyond their base instincts and how it, the AI core, is as close to man-made god as you can get, a god specifically created to oversee this colony and you insufferable, annoying INSECTS better believe it will oversee it as it sees fit.The green-haired guy is an unwilling traitor, the pink-haired girl has a crush on you and fishman is actually a total bro.
>>97323382Not every jprg has sci-fi bullshit anon.
>>97323303I'm actually cordial to what other anon said. If there's already superwizards with powerful spells in the setting you can just drop a few lines about how magic or potions or whatever else will allow you to prolong life if you're good at it. Plus if there's an option to become a lich and skip the whole longevity bullshit, I'll take it immediately.
>>97323055This is what I imagine happens to every "immortality go-getter anon" as it is the most realistic outcome
>>97323303looks ok, i see no problem
>>97323398Well, Dragon Quest doesn't, but a lot of them indulge in weird muh advanced precursors stuff, even Secret of Mana.
>>97323341Do you want to end up Tremere'd?
>>97323341>immortality is just fine as a goal anon can work for on their ownThe deathtrap claimed another victim >>97323055
>>97323376>CYOA about being a magician>Wants to be a martialThere is likely a way to enhance your combat prowess with magic after all body enhancements are very much something mages can do.
>>97323462>CYOA about being X>Wants to be YThat's /cyoag/ in a nutshell.
>>97323411That sort of thing makes it so some schools of magic become much more important.Why study evocation when alchemy or necromancy makes you immortal and gives you infinite time to then learn evocation?
>>97323458Just because you're a jobber doesn't mean the rest of us will be
>>97323482If you have the IQ, luck, and determination to achieve immortality you would've already cured numerous types of cancer or come up with a paradigm shift in warfare.
>>97323477I try to accommodate for that. For example, in Dragonfall the poit is being a dragon. But I know a lot of anons don't want that so I made it so anon could be a Targaryenish human. And in my upcoming CYOA, Hentai Heroine. Which is a be-the-girl anti-power fantasy, you can still choose to be a man, although a twinkish trap boi of a man, pic realted
>>97323382This would be a cool setting if you replaced the silly weeb cringe and replaced it with serious western kino
>>97322767Companions/waifus are the least interesting part of cyoa. I skip them almost every time. Drawbacks that make me unable to take companions or waifus are free points for me.The main things I care about in a cyoa are my own personal powers/strengths, and the overall narrative. I don't mind reading about people, like if i'm building a team, but I need it to be something like "you're on an island, who are you surviving with?" or "you're making a soldier killteam, which agents are you deploying?"If its just something like, "here's a bunch of donut steel OCs that are just with you for some reason haha enjoy, also they're all stereotypically attractive because i'm trying to cater to friendless loveless losers that need a companion section to feel fulfilled" then I skip entirely. Even if it doesnt give me more points I sarte it out of existence.Very rarely does a CYOA do 'companion' choices well. For example, JRPG traitor does it well
>>97323489Good thing cyoas let me buy all the luck I'd need and of course I'd be determined to master magic
>>97323527Knock yourself anon, just don't go counting your chickens before they hatch.
>>97323526I feel you're missing out on an important role of characters: they provide context for other options. There's a faction? You learn more about it from a character who's a member. There's a power? You get an idea of what a typical user of this power might be like from a character who also has that power. There's a culture? This character is a person from that culture. etc
>>97323533Knock yourself OUT anon, OUT, don't knock yourself up, crossing the streams like that is forbidden.
>>97323533Better than being a "I'll fail at anything I set out to achieve and die an irrelevant death" doomer
>>97323458>Deathtrap>Becoming a vampire is as easy as finding one of the fuckers.You're faking being this retarded right?
>>97323533>Knock yourself anonCock yourself*Silly ESL-kun
>>973230691.This is usually unimportant for me. I do think having a central 'goal' can make the build/play process more fun, but it's just as easy to play without one. CYOA being a daydream enabler means I can just imagine what i'm going to do with my choices anyway. I like 'mission' sections that do give you some kind of actual reward though, or those rare CYOAs that are built like real 'games' and have measured outcomes depending on your build. But I wouldn't say it requires anything like that for me to enjoy the CYOA.2.It's hard to say. CYOAs that try too hard to over-explain things end up getting too wordy. I generally think because they're imagination games the player should get enough information that they understand the general idea but they're able to intuit further. Some kind of 'extra information' pages near the end that expand on earlier choices and their possible interactions with eachother are usually really fun to read though.
>>97323547Order Of The Stick got around it so: when a person becomes a vampire, their body is inhabited by an evil spirit whose personality is formed of the worst memories of the person. It's not (You) anymore. So it's not a desirable trick to become unaging and powerful yourself.
>>97323500>cucks his dragon cyoa to cater to retards who'd be mad that a dragon cyoa is about being a dragon
>>97323547How did that pan out for Tremere?
>>97323500That's a girl tok. Also if you really tried to incorporate that you would not limit the player to being a twink/trap and still make them lose and get raped, you would add the option to be a normal guy and have a normal adventure. What you are doing is a half-assed attempt that will not make anyone happy. It will definitely not attract anyone that was not already going to be attracted to the cyoa, it changes nothing.
>>97323441A lot of the time even when they do advanced precursor stuff it's just more advanced magic, rather than going in a more sci-fi direction. It isn't too weird for most monsters to be a relic of a past age, before which the world just had people and normal animals, as well as possibly gods and dragons, but it's pretty equal chances between genetic engineering and a big magic whoopsy.
>>973230693.I think points are usually easier to play through. Any kind of 'pick a negative to get positive' can just be rolled into a drawbacks section as 'pick negatives for more points'. As an aside, CYOA authors should really put drawbacks front and center. I want to play my build knowing how much points I actually get, so ask me what i'm willing to sacrifice in the beginning so I don't have to scroll all the way back up just to tack on a few more options. It's really annoying.4, 5Very rarely does a CYOA trying to establish it's own deep lore and universe actually intrigue me. We're all just playing around with tropes anyway. CYOAs that are obviously trying too hard to establish their own lorebook with 500 little details makes me not want to play them. I think ultimately big things like regions, explanations of powersets, etc. can be more pre-written and wordy, but I end up preferring characters to just be archetypes because individuals are harder to care about
>>97323500What if I don't want to be a rapebait jobber?
>>97323541well honestly according to some people fucking women is gay so maybe its the only way, plus we already got people knocking up their daughters so just add more narcissism and theyll start selfcesting instead to make idk minions and clones and shit, whatever theyre trying to do
>>97323540NTA but I feel like you and that anon talk about different things. He's talking more about>Now pick a waifu/husbando out of the list because... it's that part of the build, just pick oneThis sort of thing is part of a daydream/wish fulfillment package and has little to do with lore or worldbuilding.
>>97323500>you can still choose to be a man>a twinkish trap boi of a manfeminine boys aren't men, so you don't actually allow your players to be men
>>97322553Genuine question: Would anyone willingly stick their dick into THAT
>>97323572>you would add the option to be a normal guy and be raped normally Futa on male with regular guy and not a shota is kino.
>>973230696If there's 100 things to keep track of, then it doesn't feel like i'm playing a CYOA, it feels more like i'm playing somebody's pilot of a failed tabletop system. Although this can be very much mitigated if it's initially designed and released as an interactive CYOA that keeps track of things for me. But quite frankly I am never going to open a fucking spreadsheet to play a CYOA. If you're introducing a bunch of different variables in a regular image CYOA let me solve that shit in the section they're introduced in so I don't have to keep track of and worry about them later.CYOA is fun because of imagination, trying to dilute everything too much ruins the point for me. If your CYOA is more than a few pages, don't give me more than 3 different forms of points to worry about if they're present throughout every section of the CYOA.>>973230857I like both. If you're designing a 'multiplayer' or competitive CYOA then I think options that combine positive with bad are better.
>>97323594her hyper assets are far too large for any normal sized dick
This is how I feel about Tok.
>>97323594id genuinely be worried about still having a dick afterwards so no i wouldnt, funny that given im a scalie so im more trusting of razor sharp teeth than i am of that
>Perpetuance Pod Protocol will never ever have a RemasterPain. Suffering, even.
>>97323616Sylen?
>>97323540>>97323592Second anon is correct, if it's generic wish fulfillment instead of something that feels like it actually matters then I don't really care. I need the companions to have a reason to even exist and be part of my theoretical quadria. For example:>You are the king of a kingdom. Please pick 4 advisors who are skilled in different tasks, where their strengths and weaknesses are displayed clearly, alongside some hints towards their usual personality to characterize them.VS>You are the king of a kingdom. Also there are 4 sultry bitches. They can be good at magic or some other shit. They have a 5000 word backstory for no reason despite them only existing as fuckmeat for the player. Please care about them.The first option gets me invested, the second option I ignore. Unless the entire CYOA is just about picking a waifu then it's fine. But I don't enjoy it being haphazardly shoved into CYOAs that aren't specifically made for that concept, that's trite
>>97323621Reddit did one already I don't want to post it
>>97323619Why would anyone not choose the black magic option?
>>97323069>1. Do you like it when CYOA has a pre-set end goal for you, several options, or just have none outside of "here's new You, enjoy life"?Personally, I like the structure of an overarching goal, but tend to prefer that it be optional to pursue. Outer Reincarnation does this well with its end section, in that you're incentivized to pursue them, but not outright required.>2. Do you prefer options to be explained in detail, or be only detailed enough to get the general idea and eliminate any confusion?This varies from author to author, or even my mood, but in general, I like a few intricate details over many basic ones. It's easier to latch onto a concept when the foundations and maybe a pillar or two are there, so you can extropilate the shape from there, if that makes any sense.>3. Do you prefer to have a "pick a positive, and a negative, for every negative pick another positive" sort of price or "you have X points, this option costs Y"?I have no preference on this. I've made a few CYOAs and have varied between them.>4. Do you prefer lore descriptions to be vague with little to no names, or to be detailed and more set in stone?I like some lore but not a lot of lore. I think of it as akin to a seasoning, too much can spoil the meat, but without any, it could be fine but could possibly be finer, in a sense.>5. Do you prefer characters to be more of vague archetypes or more pre-written and elaborated on? ("You will be pursued by a heavily armoured bounty hunter" vs "Huge Fuckman, experienced mercenary armed with handheld naval cannon, custom titanium combat suit and a mild case of acromegaly, will chase you until one of you dies")I like to have some characters be more vague than others, as I feel like that highlights the specifity. If everyone is unique, some of this effort can get lost on the player.
>>97323619boobs, theres a career in there somewhere
>>97323632They what now? When?
>>97323638>6. Do you prefer to for CYOA to have more math and numbers (relatively speaking), or be closer topure exercise in imagination?Both are good by me, and many other anons, I suspect. I've rarely seen this make or break a CYOA's reception.>7. Do you prefer it when options combine positive with bad ("You're really strong but slow") or to have positives and negatives be separate so you can mix and match?I like when positives and negatives are tied together, but think this is best when there are plenty of options that are purely positive. That way, there's more weight to them. Regardless, I wish you the best of luck on your OC!
>>97323602Not what I meant. Back to trash you go.
>>97323643Well remaster is perhaps not accurate description for it, but it's clearly based on it (mixing space and god scenarios). Also pages and pages of ai-slop.
>>97323642>gain titty magic>head off to South Korea to join a plastic surgery corp as a titty specialist>rake in millions by giving women exactly what they ask for, the envy of other women and lust of men>able to do "touch-ups" to even out uneven growth, or only go up half a cup at a time or less to lessen the IQ damageThe Titty Wizard would be one of the richest men on earth.
>>97323668Its also just not really a drawback. Fuck it, make them 50IQ bimbos, good luck proving magic in court, proving the magic is illegal or even having someone realize they should sue you.
>>97323069>1. Do you like it when CYOA has a pre-set end goal for you, several options, or just have none outside of "here's new You, enjoy life"?Optional missions is as much as I'm willing to tollerate. Otherwise it's my adventure, you don't get to tell me how it goes.>2. Do you prefer options to be explained in detail, or be only detailed enough to get the general idea and eliminate any confusion?Depends on the option, if it's something mundane I'm not gonna read a whole section telling me what household appliances are or what weapons are. If it's not something that exists they should at least be clear on what they do.>3. Do you prefer to have a "pick a positive, and a negative, for every negative pick another positive" sort of price or "you have X points, this option costs Y"?No preference as long as it's not mysery porn and you have a good amount of points/positive picks with no drawbacks.>4. Do you prefer lore descriptions to be vague with little to no names, or to be detailed and more set in stone?Vague. I want freedom not a railroad.>5. Do you prefer characters to be more of vague archetypes or more pre-written and elaborated on?A middle ground. Companions should be more detailed while enemies can be more vague. Too much detail feels bad in both cases.>6. Do you prefer to for CYOA to have more math and numbers (relatively speaking), or be closer to pure exercise in imagination?Freedom. If I wanted structure I would be playing a videogame or TTRPG.>7. Do you prefer it when options combine positive with bad ("You're really strong but slow") or to have positives and negatives be separate so you can mix and match?Separate. Combined options like that are limiting and feel never worth what they cost. I'm already paying points for it, why do I also need to get a drawback on top? It's only fine with free options and even then I would rather choose what negative to tie to it.
>>97323479Because lichdom is usually associated with becoming a skeleton and not being able to partake in fleshly pleasures of any kind in exchange for one of the best immortality mechanics (literally can't be killed by anything if your phylactery is safe). Though modern authors are usually cowards who pussy out of it and let liches have regular bodies. If you have a choice between being a dickless skeleton (not a bad thing per se if you're not fond of your humanity and animalistic instincts) who has a super reliable method of immortality and a being of flesh and blood who has a less reliable or not a guaranteed one, there's at least some incentive to think about it.
>>97323725That's where alchemy comes in. Who cares if you're a skeleboy if you can just grow artificial flesh to simulate being alive?You'll have to replace it every time you revive at your phylactery, and it's probably going to be expensive as hell if you die a lot, but still.
>>97323592>>97323627>you and that anon talk about different thingsI don't think so?>Now pick a waifu/husbando out of the list because... it's that part of the build, just pick one>"Please pick 4 advisors who are skilled in different tasks" vs "Also there are 4 sultry bitches."I agree that the '4 advisors' is better than the '4 sultry bitches', but that's a discussion of them as something you can pick. Separately from that role, companion descriptions can also provide info on other things - regardless of whether you pick them.Magi CaseThe entire cyoa is about the clans, your job as a glowie will revolve around the clans. And most of what you learn about each clan comes from each clan's companion section. How each clan's magic works is also illustrated detailed there - eg a companion in the music clan could turn meth into music and back to smuggle it, so you know that's one of the things their magic can do. Who you actually pick as companions barely matters compared to the loredump role of the section.Royal RevivalYou're about to be a member of the royal family. Want to learn about the surrounding nations, very relevant for a royalty? Your best info comes from the descriptions of the potential suitors from those nations.Outer ReincarnationThe Majin race has weird mechanics to them, how does it all work? It's briefly described in the Race section and in the powers section, but you really get an idea of it only by reading the descriptions of Maijin companions.
>>97323621>Perpetuance Pod Protocol remake that replaces the lesser times with more cure morality contentthis is the way
>>97323756Keyword is "simulate". Depends on the setting how effective it's going to be. In some liches have dulled sense of touch and emotions and such, flesh or no flesh.
>>97323725personally i consider the skeletal lich thing mostly as just a way to make an obvious enemy or an evil looking innocent person or some such, and also that becoming a skeletal lich means youre either lazy as fuck or just a skill issue cause so far as i know theres nothing saying you have to be bony as a lich, that only seems to happen cause you let it happen and let your mortal body rot away instead of managing to preserve it for use later on using more magic or alchemy or smth to simply halt the decomposition process and whatnotsame with zombies really, youre only making rotting ugly zombies cause youre lazy or smth you can always make them look just like mortals, no better than mortals even, and smell actually kinda nice rather than like a sewer, only reason you dont is cause youre too lazy to do it, skeletons are different cause reasons like infinite bone generation or only having bones available and other such reasonsthe only exception to the bone liches are lazy or lack skill argument is cases like what i came across as a joke in skul the hero slayer where undead mages specifically strip the flesh from their bodies so they can "feel the magic better without skin and whatnot getting in the way", but honestly thats probably also a skill issue kek
>>97323785>more cure morality contentFreudian slip?
>>97323658I now understand what you're talking about. That one was... something. I'm not sure if it's better or worse, I always liked the space secnario more than the god scenario but the locked powers were shit. At least it has more potential viable builds that are not "Omega Psi and funny little friends" but it doesn't have much else going for it.
>>97323704>as it's not mysery pornI read it as mystery porn at first and was very confused.
>>97323790addendum to my post, theres another possible scenario for skeletal lich and thats where you have to upon reviving generate a new body yourself somehow and its just more efficient and easier and whatnot to generate a skeletal body because its basically just a bunch of moving connected rods and a head, kinda, but honestly still probably skill issue cause you died and just git gud enough to build a proper body if you do have to revive kek
>>97323790Becoming a skeleton is a statement as much as anything: manumission from the flesh and its desires, total loss of sensation outside of intellectual pursuit. It is an unholy and total renunciation of life and living in exchange for perpetual existence. The vast majority of liches are either extremely wicked and ambitious, or extremely wicked and autistic. It should be no more surprise to adventurers looting a lich's innermost sanctum to find an ultrafortified vault dedicated to sorting rare train displays from across the planes than it is to see a torture dungeon. It takes a certain magnitude of arrogance or apathy towards everyone else's baseline reality to undergo lichdom.
>>97323725I think you should let go of your DnD brain.What if the phylactery is something separate from becoming a talking skull?What if it's a spell that works regardless of your agelessness as a way to resurrect but doesn't allow you to live forever so you have to invest into it and into the immortality option available for everyone?
>>97323787>In some liches have dulled sense of touch and emotions and such, flesh or no fleshHonestly, that sounds like a bonus for a lot of people. If you're emotionally hypersensitive or a quick-shot, those will help a ton.
>>97323960>I think you should let go of your DnD brain.>Names D&D thing>Names a universal immortality system, which anons were pointing out is a retarded concept.
>>97323359>>97323369>>97323555>>97323584>>97323603>>97323638>>97323645>>97323704Thank you, anons. It really does help to know why people prefer some options over others.
>>97323980Would you rather it be gated to specific schools?What if necromancy doesn't allow you to turn yourself into a lich and biological immortality is only found in healing magic?Why do anons want to be skeletons so much?
>>97323844yarp meant to Cure Mortality
>>97323963nta but, well yes it can be, but it can also be a detriment to alot of people as well, mostly those who already have normally functioning senses or have senses that are already dulled for one reason or another, like myself who has alot of trouble being able to taste or smell alot of different things (i have no idea why id love to get it checked out but they probably wont do anything for me especially since i cant pay them enough to care about more than keeping me alive) so for some people like myself having dulled senses from becoming a lich would be an incredible downside, particularly if theyre idk a foodie or really likes perfumes and colognes or likes hearing good music etc, of course maybe some people with predulled senses will go for lichdom cause theyre already used to it so not much to lose for them but, thats not gonna be everyone me thinks
>>97324010Not him but you're basically ignoring previous anons' posts. Nobody said anything about "gating" immortality because it exists and you can achieve it and how you do it is up to (You) in your own adventure instead of just paying points for it. Maybe anons found that becoming a skeleton was the easiest and fastest way, maybe they attuned their mana to an elemental nexus and their body transformed into pure magical energy that they could reform after some time if it's dispersed or destroyed.
>>97324010>Would you rather it be gated to specific schools?Anon, I'm criticizing the idea of immortality being arbitarily joind to you mastery of a certain level of magic like its some kind of bonus from a reaching a level in a videogame or a class level in D&D.If you actually want to break away from D&D mentality, actually fucking do it. Make immortality a number of unrelated things that have nothing to do with your magic level or whatever. It can be an effect from different spells, magic items, creatures, weird science etc.
>>97324010some just dont give a damn about it so long as they get other things they do want, some think being all skeletal is gonna be dope as shit cause edginess or roleplay or smth, and others (like myself) just think they can find a way around it like by just preserving their body and preventing decomposition and whatnot using more magic or alchemy or smth, while still retaining all the benefits of lichdom like enhanced magic and immortality and whatnoti will say doe it would be interesting to see what methods of immortality other schools of magic can come up with somehow, maybe evocation you just become a pure elemental or energy being, maybe divination you just convert yourself into pure data, maybe illusion you just weave an illusion so perfect it tricks the world and the gods, etc
>>97324038What if the mastery immortality is the only way to archive perfect immortality?Similar to heaven's feel in fate?You can find a miriad ways to cheat death and extend your life but your soul will degrade making you lose your mind and memory and the immortality is always flawed in other ways like being stuck in a perpetually decomposing body you have to switch or have to consume souls just to maintain yourself or become subservient to whatever power you bind yourself to like becoming a sort of guardian of the forest if you bind yourself to a powerful wood elemental node slowly losing your mind and memory over the centuries.
>>97324110But why?
>>97324110I choose to consume souls because it maximizes both my pleasure and the harm I inflict on the others.
>>97324129Based.
>>97324110>Similar to heaven's feel in fate?Fate is weird. All the drawback of immortality only apply to magic, and they only even do that specifically Because magic is dying in fate's universe.If you injected yourself with purely scientific nanites and stem-cells, then the soul-decay shit wouldn't even apply. Hell, even the great "True Magics" of fate lose their power and become magecrafts whenever science achieves a breakthrough in one of the current scientific impossibilities(This happened to heaven's feel itself in that moon-computer game).Magic in fateverse is just straight cucked.
>>97324110nta, if youre losing all your memories while being a guardian of the forests you were going to lose your memories either way so not really much you can do about that
>>97324147The only way is to use your magic as a way to go even harder into SCIENCE because SCIENCE is the only true path forward>Magic in fateverse is just straight cucked.It's meant to be a dying art that'll get replaced by super science eventually. It's just that most non-fgo stuff takes place in the time period before fate humanity switches the genre to science fantasy so it all seems shitty.
>>97324147NTA but if archived through science your soul would also decay it's a natural process of entropy.That's why heaven's feel is true magic because it's the only way to prevent this decay.>>97324161It's like fully becoming an automaton you start out independent and do whatever besides helping protect the place but slowly you lose everything but your directive to protect the forest.>>97324129Based>>97324127Some settings limit immortality for a number of reasons.
>>97324147which sucks cause it was actually kinda cool, just like the idea of fighting alongside great figures of history and myth, some of my favorites being hector of troy, paracelsus von hohenheim, charles babbage, etcim excluding waifu picks from this list cause, well, lots of people complain about that sort of thing
>>97324198>NTA but if archived through science your soul would also decay it's a natural process of entropy.>That's why heaven's feel is true magic because it's the only way to prevent this decay.Anon, reread my post to see how retarded what you just typed is.
>>97324221>paraclesusCoomer
>>97324222>TripsChecked and Kekked
>>97324222I did and you are wrong.Your method would fail and still be affected by soul decay.
>>97324250Slowanon, Reread the thing I said about heaven's feel.Science does not need heaven's feel, because it is able to replicate the attributes that were once thought to only belong to the soul.True Magics devolve and become magecrafts whenever human discover how to do the same thing through science. The third magic literally lost all it's power because souls stopped being as prominent in Alaya and got replaced with a working theory of consciousness.
>>97324110>heaven's feelEuuuuugh*vomits*
>>97324235this is probably bait but imma ask anyways why does having paracelsus as a fave make me a coomer, paracelsus was a pretty cool guy both irl and in fatealthough granted if you wish i can lean into being a coomer and start listing the waifu characters i like but eh
>>97324278>The third magic literally lost all it's power because souls stopped being as prominent in Alaya and got replaced with a working theory of consciousness.What is this headcanon?LmaoThe third magic is a true magic because science can't replicate it's effects can science turn people into perpetual motion machines that require no sustenance and produce infinite energy?
>>97324292I've never seen anything Fate related, it was a knee-jerk reaction for his research in homonculi. He thought that injecting his semen into a chicken's egg would let him create his own miniature slave servant, and practiced his hypothesis constantly.
>>97324298idk if heavens feel can do that even cause im pretty sure all it does is allow perfect transferrence of soul with no decay allowing for theoretical immortality so long as it gets used regularly or you get a puppet body that is immortal or smth
Fatefags deserve to be genocided.
>>97324298>Doesn't know about the fate/extra gamesKek, you're uninformed anon.
>>97324278> Science does not need heaven's feel, because it is able to replicate the attributes that were once thought to only belong to the soul.nta but that's not how it works. You'd have to literally figure out how to materialise the soul with science for heaven's feel to become magecraft.
>>97324311/tg/ is rightful fatechad clay
>>97324320Then we kill /tg/ as well. Just keep killing, the truth will reveal itself.
>>97324310Perfect transference of soul is literally a flawed application of the third magic.The whole reason why Angra Manyu was dangerous is because he was going to be reborn through a correct use of the third magic he was going to become a true incarnate god that's the ultimate expression of the third magic.
>>97324303that was more a failure of alchemy as a whole of the time and people not knowing about things like species compatibility or why semen needed to be deposited in a female to make a baby, i mean back in those days a major theory iirc was one where a person was created fully formed inside a sperm cell and they just grew and grew from cell sized to person sizedso imma not fault paracelsus for that one, but i will still praise him for being the father of modern pharmacology and maybe laugh at him for the magic squares thing and whatnot (even though maybe it is an interesting idea someone could try and run with in their setting, among other things, but eh)
>>97324311Most authors are fatefags they rule this place.
>>97324320This board was promised to me 3000 years ago
>>97324317Anon, go play Fate/Extra. It says otherswise. In Fateverse a full working model of AI and the human brain is enough to dispell all the mystry that surrounded the Third Magic(Heaven's Feel) and turn it into normal magecraft.Science in Fate/Extra is literally able to create artificial souls and preserve minds for eternity without soul-decay.That's how ALL "True Magic" works. Every magecraft was once a "True Magic" that lost its power whenever a new scientific discovery happened.
>>97324311no no, knee cap them and lock them in a basement somewhere so they can cook up more stuff we can steal, they actually come up with some interesting ideas and characters sometimes, not always so we gotta filter some stuff out but we gotta do the same thing with ores anyways so not really a difference
>>97324331At least before they retconned that and made him one of many "Beast" class servants.
>>97324345>without soul-decay. Wrong the fate/extra anime literally shows that the mooncell can't prevent soul decay we literally see archer in the first episode at a point where his soul is falling apart after being used for so long.
>>97324345> https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Third_Magic>In the Fate/Extra timeline, with the Great Collapse of the 70s that lead to the global loss of mana, the world suffered a complete loss of magecraft and Magic, making the Third Magic and the materialisation of the soul impossible. In response to this, magi incorporated modern technology and redefined the "soul" with the discovery of Spiritrons, the "true essence" of a soul, and Pseudo-Spiritrons, allowing for the projection of the soul onto a virtual world through the theory of the Third Law (第三法, Dai San-hō?) by Wizards???
>>97324331huh, interesting, i guess thats also why the saint dude from apocrypha was trying to use the third magic on all of humanity at once using the grail, well i tend to hyper focus on only the bits of fate that interest me like magic eyes or puppetry/alchemy or the various servants and their stories and how they developed into abilities held by the servant, etc etctrue magic oddly never interested me that much, except for like, the one we dont know much about except that it has something to do with ether clumps, but eh
>>97324377>Magi only stopped being self-sabotaging fuckwits and made something close to the third magic after completely losing magecraft
>>97324367>Mooncell>Literally a magecraft construct powered by mysteryAnon...>>97324377The fuck? Did this shit get retconned with the remasters like Dead Apostles did?
>>97324403This comes from Fate/Extra Material in 2013
>>97324398well we are talking about the same people who had various high level magi like paracelsus assassinated or had extremely talented magi turned into brain jars through sealing designations in order to preserve their knowledge even though theyd be better served yaknow continuing their research, but eh
>>97324403>Did this shit get retconned with the remasters like Dead Apostles did?Yep. There are 9 "extra" games now anon.
>>97324403wasnt the mooncell a giant spiritron computer made by aliens before history started and was constructed of photonic crystals the size of whole cities
>>97322553>high-tier imagesExtremly offensive statement
>>97324403Why are you surprised they retconned your obscure lore tidbit?Hell, Why are you people still fans of this series? They retcon everything at a whim.
>>97324311Fatefags already got destroyed by the FGO ending. Just leave them alone.
>>97324403>Literally a magecraft construct powered by mystery An ancient alien construct mind you.Not something humans can do they can at best try to hack into it.
>>97324425Yes, which makes it magecraft anon.
>>97324451Anon you don't even get the difference between magic and magecraft lmao.That aliens can do something doesn't mean humans can, true magic is so because it breaks the limits of all of humanity itself.
>>97324438>FGO endingSeriously, WTF was the studio thinking??? Not even japanese salarycucks liked it.
>>97324451spiritrons are a science thing not a magecraft thing, its just fgo muddied that by mixing the two in order to make time travel a thing
>>97324437This is why the only thing that's kino is the OG VN everything else is schizophrenic ramblings to make more money.
>>97324466Anon, you have no idea what any of the words you just typed mean, do you?
>>97324475You don't know about the relationship between Gaia, Alaya, Humans and Aliens.
>>97324470>spiritrons are a science thingNo, they're literally a magecraft thing from the three mage associations: Atlas, the egyptian time alchemist people. Spiritrons are one of the magecrafts they use to "Cheat" their way around the limitations of current science to create fake sci-fi tech ahead of scientific discovery.
>>97324467theyre either planning to use it as a springboard to make popularity rocket again by breaking apart their own bad ending with more chapters and arcs, or someone sucked some politicians dick or smth
>>97324490Gaia is the wll of the natural worldAlaya is the collective will of humanity as the dominant speciesYour going to have to be more specific about Aliens, because there's more than one type.All Fate, Tsukihime, and Garden of Sinners lore is also a copyright violating rip-off of the classic world of darkness TTRPGYou were saying?
>>97324438It's more of a blessing than anything.Hopefully this means we get something new FGO was an abomination and it's lore is lame and gay.
>>97324473I haven't consumed any Fate media myself, but afaik Fate/Zero is better liked. It was written by Gen Urobuchi, the author of Saya no Uta, Madoka Magica, Psycho Pass and Thunderbolt Fantasy so I've been meaning to check it out myself, even if I really dislike Fate fans.
>>97324499litterally was just mentioned that spiritrons were used by people who had already lost access entirely to magecraft in order to project souls into digital space for fate extra to happen>>97324377
>>97324534>written by the guy behind madoka magicano fucking wonder fate ended up like that god fucking damn
>>97324534>Fate/Zero is better likedBy normies, correct.It's a low commitment story that's a simple straightforward novel while to get fate you have to read a VN with tree routes that build upon each other and enforce each other's themes and give you different information that also builds upon each other.Zero is simply way easier to adapt and is a prequel" so people think that's where you are supposed to start ruining several important twists of the original.
>>97324528it did have good stories in it doe, theres a reason some of the arcs were turned into movies, heck they might be converting more arcs into movies even still, also alot of the character lore and whatnot was pretty great, granted its all tied up in bond levels and dialogues and whatnot but eh
>>97323594Ehhh, why not?
>>97324560He only wrote zero he is not the main writer and creator of fate.>>97324525Specifically magic and magecraft are defined entirely in relation to humans and their position in Gaia aliens don't follow these rules they have their own rules but as you might guess they are alien to us It's as simple as that.That aliens can do something seemingly using "science" doesn't mean humans can replicate it outside of using true magic.
>>97324604pretty sure it still set a precedent for the rest of fate to be, well, often depressing as all hell, although to be fair alot of thats also from nasu's misery porn addiction and prediliction for torturing characters but eh
Consider this situation: You are the legitimate King of a decently strong fantasy kingdom in fertile, temperate lands, with your own human armies, elf/dwarf mercenaries, court wizards, and so on and so forth. Anything that a powerful and competent King could acquire in a generic fantasy setting, you have. Now, introduce a State Striver from Otherwise. This State Striver is competent, sane, and rational, with the exception that he's a redditor and wants to torture every noble man, woman, and child to death for being "feudalist patriarchal landlords". A sympathetic deity (who your dynasty draws its divine right of Kings from, in-fact) foresaw this and gave you an accurate prophetic warning detailing the State Striver's appearance, goals, and abilities. As the King, you obviously don't want this to happen and have a plethora of resources to put towards putting the State Striver in the ground. The State Striver is unaware that you know of him and his plans, however, you don't know where the State Striver is or where he'll be going, only that he'll emerge somewhere in the large, prosperous Kingdom in exactly three months. The Kingdom is somewhat decentralized but you are beloved by your people and nobility, and have a vast treasury, and are yourself a heroic-tier warrior with some enchanted masterwork gear. The State Striver himself has his choice of build from Otherwise, with the exception of his destination, and will begin pursuing his goals immediately. He will lay low or hide if the situation is dangerous, and prefers a logical, thorough approach with as little left to chance as possible, but is singlemindedly determined to torture the entire nobility to death and will not waver from this goal. He is an atheist loner and will not seek help from any external entities, be they adventurers, deities, or monsters.How do you, as such a King, feasibly deal with the State Striver?CYOA in pic related, along with the pastebin>https://pastebin.com/WAnfZ9i9
>>97324625>pretty sure it still set a precedentThat precedent was already set with their first game "Kara no Kyoukai"/Garden of Sinners. Tsukihime and Fate both just followed that trend or even made it worse long before Mr. Magica got his hands on the series.
>>97324643Also you have eternal youth and a moderately-sized harem of waifus, to incentivize your defense of your nobility if you being King is not sufficient.
>>97324643idk
>>97324625>precedentBro tsukihime the first novel in more or less the same setting has one of the main heroines be a victim of child rape that wants nothing but to destroy the lives of the protagonist and everyone that lives in their house as revenge she manipulates everyone to self destruct and then commit suicide once everyone has their lives ruined.
>>97324643Have a wizard mind control him probably.
>>97324643Drown him in negative states.Most lethal actions are worthless, even if he doesn't have 'Deathstate' - but even the shunted states still exist, and he'll have to confront them at some point.The best strategy would be to lead him in a 'killbox' with a bait (you know his modus operandi and his targets, it's within your abilities) and then have mages, necromancer, clerics and whatnot spam countless enchantment, debuffs and seals at him. While he's down from the equivalent of state overload, automate the spells with scrolls and magic circles that activate when conditions are achieved or after a set amount of time has passed. Free the rest of the workforce, but keep a bunch trained wizards monitoring the 'seals' (do not use seal magic itself, as he will slip out of it).Even on the unlikely event he breaks out, the State Striver will be too stacked with negatives to be a significant threat anymore.
>>97324625Tsukihime has your maid be a victim of serial rape by your !dad who also murdered your entire family and stole you as a child. You are possessed by the spirit of your evil step-brother that makes you want to rape.FNS has your friend be a victim of serial rape by her adoptive grandfather. The local priest fed a bunch of orphan children to his friend as mana batteries and you find their "corpses" below the church. Its always been dark and depressing, Fate Zero just forgot theres supposed to be some sort of point after that fact, but Zero is written like ass so it does a lot of things poorly in general.
>>97324752>Zero is written like ass so it does a lot of things poorly in general.Okay I will skip it then.
>>97324772The original VN and its sequel (hollow ataraxia) are okay. The comedy spin off (carnival phantasm) is probably the singularly best thing in the series, but in large part relies on knowledge of the general characters. The rest isnt worth reading or engaging with.
>>97324643Lay a kingdom-spanning detection magic array. The moment he arrives, all elites of the kingdom and powerful foreign aid will simultaneous teleport to his location to ambush him, trapping and obliterating his body, mind, and soul with every means available.
>>97324403Keep up with the times old man, ORT is both a Servant and a waifu now.
>>97324837 wtf I love fate now
>>97324643>>97324659Not enough images
>>97324643uhhh, i feel like the existence of the death state and probably there also being a sealed or bound state or whatever that this guy can manipulate makes dealing with this person rather difficult to say the least, my only idea is to hound him constantly with forces so as to make him eventually run out the duration of his states, and maybe trap him somewhere he is not able to escape from somehow even though by the premise of this he already escaped from the underworld itself so, eh, maybe idk in a pocket dimension where theres only himself and hes not physically bound so he cant manipulate any states to free himself, and then maybe kick the pocket dimension to some other world if possible although i guess that can be done with most any form of imprisonment, if he doesnt take death state then i guess trap him somewhere where he slowly dies like a pool of acid or a great furnace or smth, maybe the belly of a great beast if possible, but its unlikely theyre not going to take deathstate given its a redditor so yeah banishment to some other plane or smth is probably the best bet, could be interesting if we sent him back to the underworld enough times he rots and finally dies there but eh unsure if that could work
>>97324311This is the fate that awaits all anime once the United States takes over every western country and enforces a ban against anime related content. Thankfully anime pictures in old CYOAs will be replaced by AI images, so you still will be able to play your old favorites!
>>97324910Not necessarily but some anons would rather moralfag than properly gatekeep their hobbies.
>>97324910mayhaps we should rebel then, although maybe thatll just make ww3 start, eh theres so many memes that the nukes caused anime maybe we should see what ww3 nukes will create kek
>>97324643While his consciousness is a state with infinite duration, it doesn't say it's impossible to remove. However, removing it is likely beyond my power, and it is extremely unlikely that my kingdom will ever acquie any Otherwise powers.Identifying his location will be difficult, but it shouldn't be impossible to bait him into a trap. After that, I will have every mage, priest, and so on stack mental debuffs on him. His ability to remove them at will ceases to matter if he lacks a will in the first place. After that, either keep him asleep indefinitely or until his consciousness state can be deleted. Attempts to awaken or use him in any way will be punished by execution of the offender, and if they are a noble, that of their entire household (including children, servants, and animals).
>>97324643>The State Striver is competent, sane and rational, with the EXCEPTION that he’s a REDDITOROh, you see it’s actually very simple. I commission the finest artists in the kingdom to release a bunch of royal posters depicting his traitorous self as a soijack and my kingly self as the Chad, and also make a royal degree to all nations and peoples of the world that he is a bum-ass degenerate cuckold with a small dick.The State Striver, being a Redditor, will then proceed to crash out so hard he will inadvertently foil his own plans on my behalf and blame all his minions, tools and resources while squandering his treasury trying desperate to convince the people and nobility to love him more than me. As a Redditor, he is critically dependent on public approval, and will therefore kill himself from shame when being the beloved king they all support my feudalist patriarchal landlord-coded rule instead.
>>97325179Entropist
>>97325220Outer Reincarnation
>>>97323055>Wasted points on a useless harem>What a fucking loser
>>97322197>the sickest of them always try to groom harems of loyal empowered wives out of their daughters.Why is that your first thought anon
>>97325253He read too many troyx CYOAs
>>97325220>anon in iseakiThat pic is matterfag
>>97325220I look like this and say this
>>97325179African Warlord. If you want that CIA support, you've got to be on your best behaviour.>>97325220Out of 100 random CYOAs, 99 could fit this.
>>97325213Kek
>>97325220That reminds me, what's Goblin Slayer up to these days? Did he kill all the goblins and reach a satisfying conclusion?
>>97325220it is kinda weird how often dust explosions come up in various stuff, like, make your own explosions my guy, or do something original like death march in parallel world did and make it more like a thermite hyper explosion by instantly vaporizing metals instead kek
>>97325402im not sure, i heard something about a goblin paladin a while back, and the priestess killing a shaman by turning its blood into water, but thats about it
>>97325220You stole my thunder I will never forgive you.
>>97325451do better next time
>>97325451Don't worry, everyone will forget by next thread.
>>97325435I would have more respect for manure explosions, honestly. Or just, settling for an incendiary weapon that doesn't explode.>>97325379>on your best behaviourEh.For a given value of "best"
Like many, I once believed the lies of the authors. They told me... conquest, ultimate god, magi case redux. But now I know better.
>>97325475I will, you can bet on it.>>97325513Thank you anon I will try to not let this ruin my week.
>>97325220I look like this and say this, but lack the plot armor, so I die in chapter 1.
>>97325641sovercuck...
>>97325631I'm working on OC where you play as a demigod in a civilization ruled by your peers protecting humanity against the titans and their spawn.Is there anything you would like to see in it?
>>97323778I concede that you do have good reasons and valid points, but it still stands that if companions take up like 2 pages out of your 4 page cyoa, it detracts from the cyoa quality and I will absolutely skip those pages unless companions are the entire thing and only thing the CYOA is about. There is still nothing I am less interested in than companions 9 times out of 10 even if they provide some sort of exposition on the narrative. Dare I say i'd rather just the narrative and worldly facts be properly explained in the relative sections instead of having to rely on skimming donut steel backstory and personality pages. I'd genuinely rather read a 'just lore' page that exposition dumps than have to hunt for exposition in the descriptions of random individuals I usually don't have an actual reason to care about.And for the sake of saying it Royal Revival is one of those CYOAs I think do companions well and I don't mind them. Some CYOA can do it right, most don't
>Still no OCLooks like capeshit's on the menu boys! Sylen will deliver, unlike those liars
>>97325659>Is there anything you would like to see in it?I like to see it come out, anon. That is all I want from authors. And yet... they can't even do that.
Sex with Aro!
>>973256591.) Waifus. I felt this was a given however.2.) Speed. I desire to go FAST.
>>97325631I still have trust in Conquest. It will come like a pervert burglar on a weeknight, when we least expect it.
>>97325695My used goods btw
>>97325659I'd like to see a regular human that's schemed his way into being a legitimate threat somehow, even if a minor one. It would be interesting to have a quest enemy that's vastly weaker than you and the best strategy is to brute-force them, rather than the usual inverse where they're vastly stronger and you need to be sneaky. Basically I want a sneaky bastard like pre-death Sisyphus to vie against, even if only as a footnote.
>>97325670I do respect Sylen. I'm not into most of his work, but I respect him for contributing to the medium.
>>97325712OUR used goods.
>>97325731>I'm not into most of his workWhat are CYOAs are you into? Do not be afraid of being judged. You can trust me.
>>97325766>Do not be afraid of being judged. You can trust me.Yeah and then you'll mock me with your friends behind my back.
>>97325766I really like Lone Observer's work, his road trip cyoa is one of my favourites. I read all of Sylen's cyoas and am grateful for them but haven't vibed with them yet. I'm not sure why that is, I like meandering around and reaching for a light at the end of a tunnel that might not exist, I think. Sylen tends to have a large amount of structure and catharsis contained within that structure. But that clearly isn't the reason for my line of thinking, as I love Nightmare Waifu but it is entirely centered by and over its rigid structure.
>>97325759>>97325712Is there anyone on this thread that has not fucked aromage? Only me?! (sand) really?!!
>>97325817Me too.
>>97325898Tok...
>>97325817I like it when Aro bangs me amazon style, it hurts so good!
>>97325726That can work the demigods can't be everywhere all the time and rely on mortal aid so someone smart can go far beneath notice especially when the enemy is so distinct.
You guys had sex with aromage?!I've constantly praised her work, defended her while she was mocked, and what do I have to show for it? Nothing, not even a taste, not even one crumb of aromage pussy. I don't know why I should bother moderating the discord. I'm think I'm done.
>>97325936>He isn't in the discord orgiesNGMI
Its Friday. Where is the OC I was promised.
>>97325697>1.) Waifus. I felt this was a given however.Very importantly, stick them all over the cosmic ranks like Werewoof does. We're talking mortal wives, sorceress wives, demigod wives, mythical beast wives, and even an extremely unsafe goddess wife.
>>97325213>>97325537>they don't know
Aro stole my CYOA... one day, I posted about my new OC that was almost finished, and then Aro DM'd me demanding all my progress. I tried to say no, but she warned that I would regret it. Later that night, my door was bashed in, and... the strap-on, it was enormous... it hurt so much... when it was over, my computer was smashed and the hard drive taken... Next week, she released it... Ultimate God... but she changed everything. She removed what made you the ultimate god... she ruined it all... and took everything from me....
>>97325659do we get to choose what were a demigod of or smth or...personally id like to be able to craft stuff maybe even make puppets i can control to fight with but that doesnt seem very, demigodish i guess, crafting maybe but puppets not so muchwait by spawn, are stuff like lizardmen and lamia and kobolds and whatnot gonna be enemies, or can they be like allies or maybe summons or alchemical minions or smth
>>97325934I think it would be an interesting quest or what have you, especially if he wasn't under any supernatural influence. Just some cunning bastard that's somehow undermining what (You) are trying to do, out of ethos or greed, and will get away with it if he isn't stopped. All the better to frame the more serious opposition, and he may be a charismatic genius and skilled at arms, but against a demigod he's just another guy, and knows that. Maybe he's even driven by envy? Petty spite is rare for antagonists nowadays.
>>97325997if we get this can we get an ally thats like this as well and has managed to do as much if not more than most demigods against the titans, thatd be neat
>>97326016That's maybe pushing it, a dude being a threat like this is neat because it's unexpected. Having assistance from someone would lessen the impact of the antagonist, although if I remember right there are a lot of troop varieties planned, which will probably involve some scholars or experts.
>>97325974more like they don't care and used the post to say le entropist bad!
>>97326038this but with paladin (which is actually bad)
>>97325989now she is going to seek revenge on you for posting this, PREPARE FOR ROUND 2 BITCH!
>>97326031i just think itd be a rather hopeful message if a regular ass person was able to do quite alot in the fight against the titans despite not being a demigod, could also be cool if this guy like ascends to becoming a demigod or full god or smth because of this, but eh that might just be me wanting the everyman and the underdogs to have a time to shine
>>97325971That's a given waifus of all kinds are on the menu.>>97325993There are monsters around that originate from one titan or another but not all work for them some were left behind and might be occasional allies.As for choosing your lineage it's supposed to be that all of you come from the same god that then get blessings from others a kind of godly first man like Adam the blessings from patrons then distinguish one from another and yeah there will be an obligatory god of the forge and you could build robots with his blessings.
>>97325989You too?She stole demigod and my virtue from me...That's why I lost all motivation in life
>>97326073okay how about being tanky as fuck so attacks just bounce off of me or slide off or maybe even get reflected back or smth, oh also gonna upvote the really speedy idea someone else had earlieror maybe how about getting bonuses to interacting with and maybe commanding those other species or just troops in generalor how about elementalism like commanding and maybe focusing or creating fire or metal or smth
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>>97326208High res.
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>>97325962Let him cook.
>>97326271There are general body improvement blessings you can turn invulnerable for a moment by flexing.There are blessings all about being a great general and there are elemental powers too
>>97326292this one is good, but i never finished by build because i kept coming back to the race section and kept thinking what kind of race/hybrid would it be optimal to transform myself into, currently i am thinking about a: Dragon, Humanlike angel, Nonhumanlike angel, Esoteric angel Hybrid.i like this author btw
>>97322913My preferred approach is giving it out as a reward for completing some kind of grand quest. "Succeed in defeating the ultimate lord of darkness and receive immortality as a reward", or along those lines.Solves the issue of assigning a point cost to something that can't really be quantified with points the same as other powers, encourages players to think about their build, and gives them a concrete challenge to work towards.
>>97325974>>97326038>most builds weren't trying to safe edgy reddit approved good boisWe know alright.
>>97325962Timezones anon, they exist.
>>97326059he suspiciously stopped responding, what happened to anon?
>>97326574schizo right here
>>97323619There's gotta be something interesting you can do with the power to essentially speed up time in your bed if you sleep elsewhere. Super fast crop growth if you keep crops on your bed and sleep on the couch is the first thing to come to mind, but surely there's something better.
>>97326588He's too busy fleeing to El Salvador to check the /cyoag/. Fortunately anon has a friend in their government there and will be able to reach a fortified safehouse if he can hit landfall, but the drive to reach the next flight there are both a nerve-wracking game of cat and mouse. From anon's perspective, he needs to choose the flight that has the best chance of escape, but from his pursuer's perspective, xhe needs to get a single one of xer dozens of orbiters on any flight. There are only so many flights to El Salvador, and every minute he spends in America is one more minute the cabal, via clandestine tracking devices, some anon has removed, some he knows are there but can't find, closes in on his position.
>>97326616where does gil fit into all this?
>>97326616are you... revealing his plans to the whole thread so that xhe can read them or is this some kind of misdirection you are setting up here?
>>97326691He's huffing paint behind the local Quik Chek and asking locals if they want to be NTR'd IRL. So far, he has had no takers. Doubly so far, none of them have known what he was talking about at the time.>>97326702Ambiguity is in all things key.
>>97325962My body is ready!
>>97326603crypto mining
>>97323619>Bimbo magicViable, if unethical, source of income. Not easy to hide.>Black magicProbably the best option. As long as you eat black food often enough, you can be a world-class athlete. Doesn't specify how much cornbread, so you could use minute amounts.>FlatulenceWorthless.>Time bedNot very useful. May serve some purpose for drug dealers or very light-sleeping chemists.>17th centuryShit. Absolute shit. Just suicide.>Internet argumentThe once a week limitation prevents this from being good.>ReincarnationQuestionable. Basically worthless for anyone below 40, and even then it's a gamble. If you could put it off it might be a good option, but as-is you're giving up on the rest of your life for a ~1/4 chance of being born as well-off as you probably are now. I doubt there are many 80 year old /cyoag/gots.
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>>97322432>>Thread Question:>Have you ever seen a person die? If yes, how many?Yes, but they were in a coma at the time, so there wasn't a lot of change. The really sucky part was that all of the women in the area decided to have simultaneous emotional breakdowns over the death. I spent the better part of the night going from room to room, hugging people and telling them it would be okay.Sigh - it was like doing the emotional equivalent of triage after a bad multi-car wreck. I had to lock down my own emotional reaction for several days to take care of them, and I still kind of resent it. And the medical/funeral staff made it worse, taking about four hours to get there. Which, believe it or not, was an improvement over their initial estimate (of roughly ten hours).Don't do hospice. It's signing up for an emotional trainwreck when the person actually dies.
>>97325220entropist
>>97322626Nah just tok's, mine is pic relatedt.obscure author
