The game will be changed EditionPrevious: >>97317290>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the ruleshttps://mtgcommander.net">committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to thehttps://www.edhrec.com">internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and cardhttps://www.archidekt.com">choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen colorhttps://managathering.com">identityhttps://managathering.com>Cardhttps://scryfall.com">searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM Are you actually looking forward to this dumpster fire set?
>>97324084>not redONE JOB
>>97324084>TQgood start, toxic UBtourist
>>97324084>TQyes
>>97324084>TQSort of. I'm not looking forward to more "loses all abilities" stuff being added to th game. That's a path Yu-Gi-Oh went down for a while and it fucked things a lot and I'd rather this game didn't go down that path. It doesn't lead anywhere good. But on the other hand I've been wanting to try a -1/-1 counter deck like Scorpion God for a couple years now and this new Reaperking feels like a good place to start.
>>97324030Most of the tribal payoffs are flashy so they will show up; my guesses are Collective Inferno, Gathering Stone, Chronicle of Victory and Winnowing. Goliath Daydreamer and Glen Elendra's answer are also going to be played a lot because they look fun as hell.I think the one that is really strong is actually the new Rhys. He saves a creature when he drops and there is just so much bullshit you can to with unconditional removing of counters from creatures. Abigale is also looking good.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
BBT>bring back tuck
>>97324133a literal KOS if I've seen any, holy shitI'd never get to resolve anything if I ran this in my pod
>>97324143trannies already brought back tuck to this format
>>97324143>blue should just be arbitrarily better at removalno
>Watch a video>They're talking about a possible change of any mono-color commander have partner buy defaultWHY WOULD ANYONE WANT THIS
>>97324192Link?
>>97324192I would simply say "no, you can't play that"
>>97324172Idk bro...
>>97324162What playable tuck does blue even have beside spell crumple and hinder?
>>97324219Kino
>>97324192>have partner by defaulti get the intent but wotc should do mono color legendaries specifically saying KEYWORD (You can have a legendary creature with the same exact color of this card as a second commander.)
>>97324192I think it's from people who like the idea of playing mono color but don't actually want to commit to the ups and downs that it brings. Which very much feels like it's defeating the purpose but it's impossible to tell where some people's heads are at sometimes. Anyway, surely that's just them throwing dumb ideas out and not a rumor they are saying they heard is being considered right?
>>97324192This but Choose a Background
>>97324192>Because, like, sometimes, you know, you see a mono-color commander and it really SPEAKS to you, you know?>Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.>It's like, this commander is ME, I basically HAVE to build a deck for it.>Yeah, yeah, it's like...this commander is my spirit animal.>You can't say that any more, it's cultural appropriation. Anyway, yeah, so, like, you just HAVE to build that deck, yeah?>Yeah.>But, like, it's a MONO-COLOR commander, you know? Mono-color.>Yeah. Not multi-color.>Which, basically? You can only use that one color. Because that's-->That's how the format works, yeah.>Which is a bummer.>Absolutely. That commander is YOU, you NEED to be able to run it.>And, like, I'm not going to just play that one color, you know? WAY too limiting. But, on the other hand...well, there's precedent.>WotC DID introduce the mechanic.>Yeah, they did! And it's not like they NEVER errata anything. There's stuff that can be your commander that doesn't say it on the card.>And stuff that says on the card that it can be your commander, but no longer needs to because the rules changed.>What are you talking about? Never mind, I don't care. Anyway, baaaaaasically...the idea is, if all mono-color commanders have partner, you can build that one you identify with without having to be locked into a single color! Just pick a second one, maybe one that represents your bestie or something-->Could be a significant other.>Don't get weird and clingy. But, like I was saying...now you can run the card that's really YOU without being unreasonably held back!
>>97324248most mono color legendaries are built for 60 cardsit's fine to want them to be up to par for edh, but wotc should make background cards specifically for mono color, they already know OG partner is busted
>>97324084>no till end of turn>no till the creature leaves the battlefieldPretty based Colossus, goes right into my salty hatebears.
>>97324284There's enough options available to make a deck work with a good chunk of the mono color stuff people would want to run viable in this format already. But besides that a new variant of background but for mono color could be interesting. I doubt they'd ever do that but I liked the background system from that set so seeing it expanded on would be cool
>>97324084>TQYes. It looks fun to draft and there are a few things that I'm mulling over. But the simple fact is that, unless you're building a new collection of decks with every release, you should really only expect one or two cards per set that are worth considering for inclusion in your decks. Anything else would require unsustainable power creep.
More spoilers dropped boys
>>97324378>think this is perfect for one of my decks>then realize that colorless artifacts can't be conspiredfug
>>97324266literally me
>>97324162>>97324219>>97324226Blue had it for over half the time the format has been a thing. It was only crybabies crying to WoTC that got it changed.
>>97324407>crying to WoTCblame sheldon, he was still alive at the time doofus
>>97324378she got crept
>>97324419this will be fun for mass reanimator
Does the gifted card reduce the cost?
>>97324458>one or more>one of them>once each turnbetter in single reanimator
This just came In, I will slowly will get more money to upgrade it
>>97324458>>97324479read again, slowly
>>97324192Why on earth wouldnt you want this? Ive been saying they should do this for years. There are no downsides>what about broken pairings!Dont play against them just like how I dont play against Kinnan>>97324244Exact color would be retarded and pointless.
>>97324487got a nice pull from the collector booster, was hoping to buy black market but thank god I pulled it out
>>97324192>>97324266this fictional scenario vexes me
>>97324479I'm fairly certain that's a no.You pay the cost way before you get any triggers from the card, cast triggers or otherwise.
>>97324498>just let them break the game guys>if you don't like it, close your eyes cover your ears and rule zero it away lalalalalalathis is why filthy casuals like you are never taken seriously
Spoilers look dogshit. Aesthetic is off. Mechanics shit cant do chroma shenanigans because the entire game is token based now and they dont have pips. FLOP SET
>>97324479They only get the card when it enters, which is well after you've paid costs.
>>97324520How does this break the game anon? Partner already exists. Im very curious what the doomsday scenario is to you here
>>97324501That is a good card for that commander. Good luck anon.
>>97324479You don't get enters effects before costs are paid.
>>97324494>when it entersAh, my bad.>>97324511>>97324527Thanks fellas.
>>97324407It had it for quite a while and it sucked, yes. The color that is worst at removal shouldn't be allowed to just remove commanders permanently. >>97324219Deem Inferior is REALLY good.
>>97324498Why are you playing the format defined by its restrictions if you have such disdain for those restrictions?
>>97324486>>97324494I'M RETARDEDGOMENASAI
>>97324537>Partner already existsand OG partner will never come back, thanks for admitting that you don't know anything
>>97324192>Hey man, it IS a mono-colored card, so it can partner it with another mono-colored card.I wouldn't want that for the bad faith angle shooting alone.
>>97324559It doesn't remove them permanently. Every color has a tutor to get it back, and if your deck is that commander dependent, you ran it. Skill issue.
>>97324479The card is drawn only after Kitnap is already already on the battlefield, so its own cost is unaffected.If you kitnapped an enemy flipped Heliod, the card will be drawn when Heliod's already under your control so your spells will be {1} cheaper.
>>97324573Disingenuous liar.Typical for blue playing garbage.
>>97324562That isnt an answer to my question and you arent soapcrates>>97324569That isnt an answer to my question either anon.
>>97324573just say you want karakas unbanned already
Ultra casual here. are there still cards left to show off for the lorwyn set? I've been looking at the spoilers, but none of them really catch my eye as being fun or interesting to toy with.
>>97324569OG partner came back the last time they did a commander focused set that wasn't just reprints, a few years ago. Partners themselves aren't really a problem, the issue was the 2C valueslop ones that open up way too much deck flexibility and they're all old as balls. Nobody's ever had any issue with Toggo or Akroma.
>>97324590you were already told the answerbottom line is, wotc isn't going to give your mono color partner for everything, sucks for you i guessbut don't fret, i know exactly what they'll give you down the line
>>97324573And I say that Blue should never get access level of removal. You should ideally always have access to your commander. Exile removal doesn't permanently remove it, why should tuck be any different.
>>97324600>rograkh isn't a valueslop commander partner so he's ok!
>>97324624Rograkh would be much fairer if you couldn't run him in tricolor, yes.
>>97324605God I hope they unban JLo and I'm not just saying that cuz I did some gay speculation games
>>97324634>Partners themselves aren't really a problem>erm ackshually...GOTTEM
>>97324640the normal art looks way better. like holy shit look at the gore
>>97324640you failed the iq test and didn't post my goat artist
>>97324644your spec wasn't gay at allthey will make jewlotus a GC 100%, trustyou're not a timmy
>>97324669I don't really play high powered cards but I do have a few timmy decks: Asuza, Lost but Seeking and Mr. Orfeo, the Boulder
https://scryfall.com/@TrixieTheKitty/decks/d804498c-387d-4a66-9f21-bcfbda40e6dd?as=visualAny suggestions for refining this Jinnie Fay deck?This deck performs at around bracket 3, but I wanna see if I can push it at least to high bracket 3.My intention is for this to be a fairly slow and midrangey fight-the-table deck, able to withstand interaction and force other players into lengthy battles.I particularly wanna make the deck leaner where I can, e.g. if I could find one I'd put in a Feline Sovereign so that I've got removal, a cat, and an anthem from playing one card. Also MDFCs, there's lots I want but none I can find.I do have a bunch of changes lined up already with cards in the mail, like swapping out Apothecary White and Spider Ham for Rabble Rousing and Baylen, the Haymaker.Also the lands will change a lot, I'm waiting on delivery for a lot of lands.
>>97324649Yes, it's exactly what I said? Partner, the mechanic, is fine. 2C partners are the issue, because they let you access up to 4 colors while also getting the benefits of extra commanders, and Rograkh is a problem because he gets to access up to 3 colors PLUS he's way out of rate for what a partner is supposed to be and would be solid as a commander on his own. The vast majority of partners aren't a problem; who's ever had any issue with a Glacian/Rebbec or Toggo/Ich-Tekik deck?
>>97324131RICHARD KANE FERGUSON
>>97324691>muh 2C partners!even mono color partners like malcolm, tevesh szat, kediss, and a fucking dumb beater like dargo see cedh playyou are unfortunately outing yourself as a filthy casual that doesn't know just how broken OG partner is, yet another one not to be taken seriously
>>97324454That is really fucking good actually
>>97324084I started building a Mardu Vampire Commander around Queen Marchesa during Eldritch Moon before Edgar Markov was a thingHow fucked am I?
>>97324084> target opponentOver before it even began
>>97324458Why even specify "mass" what a weird thing to even say. That's not even a distinct archetype. Really bizarre post.It's just good in reanimator period. Reanimator doubler if you will.
>>97324405This is great, no? Even a 1/1 for 1 always has some form of value in black.
>>97324745Partner cards seeing CEDH play doesn't make the mechanic broken, retard. Is Zur the Enchanter irreedemably broken?
>>97324454>>97324761*unzips Myrel deck*
>>97324605I waa given a nonsense question and a history "lesson" neither of which were answers brochacho>wotcMy pod already does it this way ^.^>>97324745Dargo sees play with Tymna (2c partner). Tevesh is usually with Tymna or Thrasios (2c partner) and is also just a hyper niche rarely placing pickMalcolm would be the only one here hes just as often 3c as he is 2c. Although its worth noting his biggest 2c pairing is with another Pirate that was printed last year, despite you claiming it would never return. More such an angry person you sure know very little.
>>97324192Color identity is a dumpster fire right now, thats why
>>97324794>Ixalan"Charismatic Conqueror" and "Legion's Landing" seems interesting, but other than that..
>>97324192break down all that makes edh edh, to make it more approachable as commander (:
>>97324596we're a bit under halfway through
>>97324677The Miku version, rite?
>>97324690Tranny
>>97324776Is this just schizo newfag hours or something? No, not every one drop has value in black.>inb4 I sacrificeNo. That is a weird standard that makes no sense. You're probably confusing things like Death's Shadow, which is a specific card archetype that was only made good after years and years of brewing. Moonshadow might be good in 60 card if people brew something competent around Melira or whatever. It's not good because "one drops are good in Black"Lmao
>>97324796Hybrid Mana has both coloursFight me
>>97324794>see this 2023 printing? that's proof it comes back!so not only are you moving the goalposts from "2C value" to "ok rograkh too" to "ok but dargo's like hyper niche (it's not btw)" you don't even know what's going on behind the scenes
>>97324796Yep. Real newfag hours. You don't even understand the words you're using.
>>97324845Honestly I think that while anon is retarded, Moonshadow will be good in 60 card because it counts anything that goes into a graveyard. You can go fetch -> surveil and have a 3/3 with menace for 1 mana.
>>97324818it ain't EDH if it ain't 3 color DOE
>>97324859Yeah that's pretty good actually ngl
>>97324851>literally posts MaRo saying monocolor partners are fine and 2C ones are the issue?
>>97324851>only ever made monocolor cards with partnerSooooooooooo exactly what me and the other anon have said?
>>97324845>AcolyteIdk, how's this better than, let's say, "Pulse Tracker"?
>>97324794>hehe we rule zero anyway ^.^yeah i thought so
3DH
>>97324871He's saying Partner shouldn't have been on multicolored creatures, not that they should errata all monocolored legendaries to have partner. There's a huge gap between those two statements.
>>97324690I don't think Skyhunter Skirmisher is worth running in this because all your buffs are anthems and you don't have any way of getting him beefy. He wants tall but you're going wide. I think I'd also throw in more instant/sorcery token spells just because it gives you a way to get burst creatures onto the battlefield. Repeatable sources are good but if they're all 4-5 mana you're waiting till turn 7 to get the same tokens as a raise the alarm could've done turn 2. By Invitation Only is hilarious in this deck, also check out Citywide Bust. Instead of your fight spell I'd look into white's deal damage equal to number of creatures type spells for removal. Cool cat list, like the commitment
>>97324876Well, they're both equally busted in mono B
>>97324884Well, yes, obviously giving all monocolor creatures Partner is retarded. I'm that anon saying that Partners aren't an inerently broken mechanic.
>>97324904>>97324873draw 7 is an inherently broken mechanic and yet they keep printing them once in a whileyou know why? because limitations actually matter, which OG partner doesn't haveso yeah, casuals be casualin' i guess
Ok this is kino
>>97324893Wouldn't "Indulgent Aristocrat" and "Guul Draz Vampire" be better Turn 1 Summons in that context?
>>97324914Whether or not limitations matter is not what makes a mechanic broken. Storm is THE archetypical broken as fuck mechanic and yet Stormscale Scion is a completely reasonable card.
>>97324927Wouldn't you be more at home on reddit?
>>97324932>6cmc>the dragon copies don't have haste>not a limitation bro
>>97324942I didn't say it doesn't have limitations, dumbass, I said that Storm is still a broken as fuck mechanic even if individual cards can be limited.
>>973249382 Mana AND tapping for 1 measly Life, when you could play an "Urge to Feed" or a planeswalker-killing Hexmage instead?I get you can't summon a "Tithe Drinker", but that's just trash, mono b or not
>>97324084it would be much better if this said as this enters
>>97324970putting it in quotes doesn't link to gatherer here, newfriendalso you're not picking up what anon is putting down
He's leveled up to 2 drops I see
>>97324942The limitations make it very apparent WHY Storm is so unbalanceable. Every single Storm card is either broken as fuck or completely unplayable, no exceptions.
>>97324962>storm is a broken as fuck mechanic bro>but partner isn't even though a significant chunk of cedh are partner commandersthere's a very good chance we may not even see mono color partners anymore, as even those things see cedh playso expect more partners with and friends forever and character select, that's how it's going to be moving forward
Any lib whisperers want to tell me what they mean by the new one?
>>97324835The Commander Masters version, though it would have been the City Styles SLD if I had it
>>97324981Just play a "Pulse Tracker" turn one and a "Bloodseeker" or a "Kalastria Healer" Turn 2, you peasantSorry, but your mono b picks are also black picks iykwim
>>97325006if we could peer into their minds we would've found a cure to liberalism and trannyism already
>>97324498Because mono-color is interesting. This idea would not only automatically obsolete all mono-color decks, it would also obsolete a number of extant two-color commanders--you're generally going to be able to find two single-card text boxes that sum to something greater.>>97324537>Partner already existsAnd is generally balanced around by making cards with partner both simpler and less potent than they would be if printed as normal legends.
>>97325006Has scryfall actually made messages with their cards in the past? I always thought they were random showcases. Looks like its just Lorwyn sun and moon themed
>>97325006I'd assume the aurora going apeshit across the US and Canada recently
>>97325032they were very mad after trump got reelected
>>97325004Partners really isn't an inerently broken as fuck mechanic as long as it's kept to monocolor partners. 2C partners are what rules the format and 1C partners are typically either partnered with them, partnered with Rog, who is broken mostly because he's free, or see only very limited play.
>>97325006It's The Great Aurora because Lorwyn and then a bunch of cards with eclipses on them
>>97325046even monocolor isn't a failsafecommanders at their core are just spells you always have access to in the cz, optimally they would be combo piecesif wotc can fuck up with things like eldrazi winter and nadu it's only a matter of time before 2 mono color commanders from sets years apart accidentally form a busted combo
I'm just not gonna play a "Timothy, Tyrone of Bats" or a DEI "Campaign of Vengeance" - Thanks, but no thanks, WotC!
>>97325006Eclipses.Because Lorwyn Eclipsed.You absolute retard.
>>97325032
>>97324888Skyhunter is a card I've got lined up for a swap, I've gone with The Seriema since it gives strong legendary synergy (plenty of legendaries in my deck) and going wide with relatively strong tokens should let me charge up spaceships really fast.By Invitation Only, is that hilarious-good, hilarious-bad, or just hilarious?Personally I think it's not great, I've got a few mass-indestructibility cards which give a good effect with mass-destruction but not mass-sacrifice.I kinda wanna swap with Dawnsire because it's funny and I should be able to pretty consistently place and fire it in one turn, plus getting to fight a death star oughta be a fun moment for the table.As for steady versus instant token production, I used to run Devastating Summons (a better Raise the Alarm if Jinnie Fay's in play) but in games where I drew it I felt like I was getting kinda mired by droughts in my token production.Maybe I could swap out my weakest token-increaser (Quina, Qu Gourmet) for Hanweir Militia Captain? It's still a little slow, but helps the mana curve and consistency a bit.Also, one of my expensive repeatable token producers (Arasta of the Endless Web) I'm thinking of swapping with Quilled Greatwurm; steady token production at high mana isn't great, you're right, so I'd much rather draw something that turns the army I already have into something extremely dangerous.
>>97325059They haven't printed any 2C commanders since commander 2016
>>97325016beautiful stuff
>>97325092What did he mean by this?
>>97325098My bad, I meant 2C partner commanders (not counting pseudo-partner).
>>97325098Ixalan got some sexy Orzhov Commanders
>>97325112hah gay
>>97325081Invitation Only is hilarious good. Get to keep your core pieces and you'll always have expendable bodies to be able to make that number high. Its nice seeing nonstandard boardwipes.Devastating summons is clever, I didn't even think about her replacement effect hitting 0/0s. I do think you ought to focus more producers rather than increasers. Get on moxfield or archidect and sort your deck by what it does, and if you have more things that increase tokens than actually just make them, I'd make some swaps. Don't do hanwier cult leader first though thats slow as fuck, loyal apprentice will start producing as soon as its out.Keep arasta, shes one of the only creatures who isn't waiting on your turn to come around to make another token. The ability to just let a turn go around the table and net multiple tokens by the time it comes back to you is great compared to the floor which is 1 token per producer once per your turn
>>97324084>Are you actually looking forward to this dumpster fire set?I was, but not anymore after seeing the actual cards and reading the story.
>>97324192As long as they have to be the same color everything should be fine.
>>97324591Correct.>>97324609Because I said so.
>>97325072Yeah I get it now. I just assumed because they always have gay messaging in their banner. It's actually weird to see a normal one.
>>97324559How is Deem Inferior really good? You just play one draw spell and you have your commander back in hand.
>>97325274It's not good. It's quite bad actually.
>>97325271scryfall has gay messaging at least once a year
>>97325262What's the point of playing Commander if you don't like the fundamental aspect of someone always having access to one card? Wouldn't Canadian Highlander be more your speed? Or is this some weird schizo instant of want to "teach" stangers some strange belief again?
>>97325307>*tucks your commander*
13+ game btw, almond activators
>>97325333black should get more of these
>>97325333naisu, I like it
>>97325343"Invasion of Fiora" is op
>>97325333OK so just a chud with an axe to grind, nothing I've haven't seen before. It funny, my 15 pieces of interaction I put in my decks all tend to be anti-removal, because I used to play with pricks like you all the time. Now my normal playgroup think my decks are oppressive, because they can never remove anything without me having a response.
*removes your commander from the game*
>>97325364damn dude, that's badass
>>97325380Resolving this with Opalescence on the board and everyone's commanders out is one of my favorite things.
>>97325380Okay.
Will this Vivid mechanic finally make my Jenson Carthalion deck good?
>>97325199Thanks for the rec, Loyal Apprentice seems really goodAlso, I almost forgot! One of the cards I'll have available today is Thopter Assembly.It's very much lategame (6 mana cast, produces only the turn after casting) but it has a fun interaction with Jinnie Fay in that you can cast it every turn.I dunno how I feel about the 6-mana lategame cards though (Quilled Greatwurm and Thopter Assembly mainly), like they're great if I can cast them but I really don't wanna be hurting my early game performance at all.Thopter Assembly is definitely the slower of the two, so for now I might do these swaps:Quina -> Quilled GreatwurmSkyhunter -> DawnsireThen maybe to compensate for those both being mana increases, Valor in Akros with Hanweir? Or even with Devastating Summons. I'd 100% do Loyal Apprentice if I could get one.
>>97325380And I haven't even ever faced this card but the very face it exist made me include mass exile slow flicker in my deck, because I will not get cucked out of my commander.>>97325387I don't think so, it's actually very sad. Worst part is, I don't ever think I could ease up, because every time I do, my commander or some other important piece gets removed then I go on a spiral of readjustment and overcompensation.
>>97324547the other day a friend of mine introduced me to flesh & bland and after seeing the dark and brutal art style, Im laughing hard now when I see those dumb children book art styles in current magic.(i still think mtg is the better game)
>>97325434So what do you do if they drop a Grand Abolisher on their turn and then Out of Time?
>>97325380"Tear" for 1 White Mana
>>97324822cool, thank you. Hopefully they have something fun.
>>97325469Mana Leak
>>97325469have thief of blood
I want to make a 'the thing' deck. What's the best way to go about doing it in the least obnoxious way?
>>97325502Just play a clone deck with snow basics.
>>97325519https://archidekt.com/decks/15919710I want to do some theft though
>>97325502some black Madness? "Abolisher of Bloodlines" maybe?
>>97325442if only the art was fit for children's books
>>97325557this art is fit for the garbage can
>>97325557You know, it's actually kind of heartening to think that you're still leaning on one piece of artwork from three sets ago. Really indicates that they've been turning things around since that particular nadir.
UNBAN MY ZESTY ELF YOU WOTC FUCKS!
>>97325592valid
I feel like scalping isn't as bad in the Magic community compared to others like Pokémon. I'm still new but its nice that I can buy the new Avatar and Spiderman cards pretty easily. The same can't be said about Pokémon.
>>97325647that's because pokemon isn't actually a card game, but a collectible
>>97325586Just consume "The Hobbit" set and get excited for "Star Trek" set and more Marvel sets
>>97325673i will consume vastly superior IPs yes
>>97325655True. I've yet to meet a single person who actually knows how to play Pokémon.
>>97325682Sorry, what was that? I stopped paying attention when they put bixnoods in my Innistrad
>>97325442Flesh and Blood's artstyle sucks fucking shit anon. You'd think based on the name it's some zombies and vampires themed affair, but no, every card is shit like Swordessa, The Sword Fighter or Punch That Guy, all drawn by artists educated exclusively on ripoffs of WoW ripoffs.
>>97325700i said i will consume UB as i can be assured that even the worst of them are overall better than whatever UW is
>>97325307I do like it, but it's a skill issue if someone deals with your commander and you can't get it back.
>>97325682> vastly superior IPs>The HobbitMore than fair>Star TrekHas experienced the same kind of rot MTG has, but it did inspire the Weatherlight saga so there's a claim to be made here.>Marvellmfao gb2Reddit
>>97325708i don't recall wow having something like this though
>>97325723i eagerly await your arguments on how UW is better than Marvel
>>97325599If they don't remove the banlist, I'm going to have a crash out.
>>97325673hell yeah the hobbit
>>97325740>faux anime as drawn by a jeet>the best example of non WoW artSheesh.
>>97325689Every autistic person i know plays competitive Pokémon cards at tournaments
>>97325750i mean, can you give me some wow females that bare their shoulders?
>>97325740See, this is exactly what I mean. It's Generic Japan Faction Card #9085. It's too generic for even WoW to do. I could pick a random common from Kamigawa and in aesthetic terms, it would trash card this 10 times out of 10.MtG's got shit like cards like Vivisurgeon's Insight and Mondrak, Glory Dominus that could hook my interest on a visceral aesthetic level before I could come to appreciate the game for its mechanical depth. But Flesh and Blood has shit like pic related. You could not pay me to play a card like this.
>>97325714Try attaching another Gigachad to your post, Anon, maybe then I'll believe you aren't completely delusionalYou gotta do something about your generic newfriend filenames first I believe, it's really getting in the way of what you're trying to achieve by giving you right away
>>97325744Not owned by Disney. That was easy!
>>97325673Shan't. Haven't purchased any UB products, don't even bother looking at them as possible inclusions, and won't be starting any time soon.>b-but you'll change your tune when they use an IP that you like!No, I wouldn't. It's a moot point, since they're not going to, but I have enough self-control to see a character I like on something without having to immediately purchase that thing.
>>97325767uh oh UW melty
>>97325745Just ignore the banlist
>>97325764ntsa and only tangentially related, this card is one I always show off in regards to mtg. Its fucked in a good way.
This thread is really just the same 10 idiots having the same arguments on repeat isnt it
>>97325787yup.whats your favorite lorwyn card revealed so far.
>>97325764Kamigawa fucking slaps dudeI dream everyday of a monoblack Rat Tribal
>>97325769disney and wotc are both lib indoctrinators though
>>97325804Death to WotC!
>>97325794I agree, which is why I picked Kamigawa as an example of a setting that ISN'T just Generic Japan Faction.It's a very unique approach to a not!Japanese setting that manages to actually feel interesting and not simply lifting mythology out of it wholesale, while having unique distinguishable setpieces and a world of its own, with akki goblins, moonfolk, the nezumi, the endlessly variable kami, the like. A lesser setting would have just picked some common yokai and made them front and center, threw in some samurai and women in kimonos there and called it a day. It's especially impressive that Kamigawa is as unique as it is in an era where people LOVED to make The Japanchina faction in games.
>>97324192>mono colors get partner>I can partner Krenko with Kreat or PurphorosLol. Lmao even.
>>97325842The cool snakes!Kamigawa is bliss, they don't make 'em liek that anymore
>>97325842reminder that kamigawa was actually deemed a flop not just because it was a weak set compared to mirrodin, but because kamigawa art direction was TOO faithful to the source material, alienating casualsthat's why kamigawa 2.0 is cyberpunk, because that's what casuals know of japan
>>97325864>Compared to MirrodinBecause Rats don't get Infect or Proliferate?Unless they're Ichor Rats ofc
>>97325864Tbh, Kamigawa was a flop because it was just a very poorly designed block. It has a lot of interesting mechanics and a lot of strong cards, but half the set mechanics in it were just completely worthless. Splice into Arcane remains, to this day, the most parasitic mechanic they've ever printed; that is a genuinely impressive achievement.
>>97325886kamigawa was indeed a weak set but believe it or not casuals didn't know what a baku or honden or gohei was, that's why they played it safe with neon dynasty
>>97325914It's okay that it's weak as long as I can tell a good story with it in edh
>>97325914Casuals don't know what the fuck an Auriok or a Vedalken is supposed to be too, yet that didn't stop Mirrodin. The cards explain that shit to you when you read them. It just needs to look cool and distinguishable enough to get their attention, and Kamigawa played like shit so people didn't even get to holding the cards. I remember that the mere fact that my pack rare was fucking One With Nothing made three people I knew skip the set.
>another day zero errataLMAO THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THIS COMPANY
>>97325956whats the errata
>>97324084>TQWeirdly, just Grub. To the point after making a shit post I just went full cringe and made some drafts.No idea how a perfectly aligned and mirrored print pages could still end up not aligned when printing both sides, but hey, learning is a process.
>>97325938>I remember that the mere fact that my pack rare was fucking One With Nothing made three people I knew skip the set.that sounds fucking hilarious anon. were any of your group one of those copers who insisted you can totally do something crazy with it?
>>97325956I dont see it
>>97325982I was the coper. I thought it could be worth it with, like, Deep Analysis cards with the flashback lower then the regular cost. Turns out that still fucking sucks ass.
>>97325938>Casuals don't know what the fuck an Auriok or a Vedalken is supposed to be too, yet that didn't stop Mirrodin.that's because that's UW which is entirely made up by wotc, so naturally they don't have set expectationsbut regarding sets based from real world mythology, casuals DO have expectationslook at theros, we get the usual suspects - krakens, hydras, raised by wolves reference, medusa reference - because that's what westerners know of greek mythology growing upwhat do casuals think of japan? samurai and dragons, but kamigawa also had mononoke references that simply flew over people's heads
>>97325969>>97325987Elemental "permanent" spells you cast from your hand have evoke 4
>>97325970learn this
I will play as it was written and I will evoke the instant :)
>lathril lorawell all right then I guess I know who my next cummander is
>>97326006eeeeeeeeh, while its less fun I get it. an instant can't be sacrificed.
>>97325956That face commander is very clearly not Ashling.>different forehead/horns shape>cheek cut-outs that Ashling doesn't have>completely lacking Ashling's shoulder spines>completely lacking Ashling's characteristic white markings>totally different outfitI don't get why they didn't just commit to a new character when that's clearly what they commissioned.
ANOTHER HORSE FOR BILL FERNY
>>97325956Not my Ashling
>>97326030It didn't even look like a flamekin from OG set that's the bigger problem
This is good.
>>97325804Yeah but you can only like one of them without being a faggot who soifaces whenever they see Mickey Mouse and Iron Man. WotC fags can always ignore the pronouncements of their woke overlords unless they're doing tournament play, can and often do buy off the secondary market or proxy, but Mousecucks willingly prep the bull.>>97325864>>97325886It's okay, NEOvagina has animu art treatments just like our favorite gachas so casuals love it this time.
I have come to the realization people only like UB sets now, including the anti-UB haters. But they MUST be sets that have even the tiniest smallest aspect of "fantasy"I expect an all UB future but it'll just be going through old fantasy IPs no one cares about and sells less than regular sets
>>97325970I can goon to this
>>97326137Monowhite ninjutsu
>>97326051horsebros stay winning
>>97326137Likely one of the strongest cards in the set
>>97326084I'd already resigned myself to the fact that, for no particular reason, they redesigned flamekin this time around. They had four fingers and no toes in original Lorwyn, but now they have to have human digit counts.>>97326054I said the REAL Ashling.
Building a Jolly Balloon Man deck that wins without infinities. Looking for some cards similar to Fanatic of Mogis, Balor, Boss's Chaauffeur etc that can close out games when copied a lot using the Balloon Man.Any funny game ending cards like that you'd recommend?
>>97326137This would work with Anim Pakal if you did her trigger before this trigger since though gnomes are "attacking," right?
>>97324573I am glad your desire to turn the format into goodstuff.dek will never happen.
>>97326165correct.
>>97326165yeah, you just need to stack the triggers so Anim Pakal's resolves first and spews out tokens. Same with Mobilize or Kaalia.
>>97326164>Boss's Chauffeurkino taste
>>97325804>da libsand I care?
>>97326173>>97326176Hope it doesn't end of being like an over 20 dollar card.
>>97326164I'm in.
>>97326164Imagine adding Boros just to play bullshit like this
>>97326196ooh could be tempting.
>>97326189its only a rare so it shouldn't go too nuts, and most go wide decks use weenies so i wouldnt think a lot of decks really want it.but i dunno, im turbo casual, maybe im entirely off.
So does he suck? I saw "LE WORST PLANESWALKER OF ALL TIME" but he doesn't seem atrocious. I need to buy him because he is hot.
>>97324084>Are you actually looking forward to this dumpster fire set?No. It is basically>tribal shit>-1 countersAnd most of the tribal shit is gay changelings or specifically crap like elementals. I hate -1 counters and think they shouldn't exist.So this is basically Aetherdrift for me again. A set where all the mechanics and focus is on shit I do not enjoy.
>>97326219THE UNDEFEATED CHAMPION
>>97326242Honestly he doesn't seem atrocious these days>2 mana>draw a card and discard>in my deck that wants to discardI can think of worse shit.
>>97326242at RANDOM?Into the Trashu, stopped reading there
>>97326153I'm glad? Feels really weird to say in the context.
>>97326252it's random discard
>>97326257You still haven't embraced the true monored spirit.
>>97326252Madness ain't worth shit if you can't pick what to discardThat's why I don't play "Gamble"Would rather "Duress" myself tbdesu
>>97326242>guy tutored something to his hand>then used this>had like 15 cards in hand at time>discarded the thing he tutored for>scooped when he was told "no, you can't do it again thats just how it goes.
>>97326263that's because I'm MARDU
>>97326252anon the problem is that it's a random discard. you have no control. there is no deck that wants to discard every card in its hand at all times, and you need to discard two cards at random to even use the second ability.
>>97326252what would you consider a worse commander?
>>97326298Tibbers can't be a commander
>>97326219wotc should print this art but with a woman
>multiple changeling tokensAtla Palani eating gooood this set O.o
>>97326242I knew multiple people who used card this drink coaster.
>>97326263>You still haven't embraced the true monored spirit.Monored is okBut red is the color of lust.And when red forcibly mates with other colors, the baby is beautiful
>>97326298>>97326301fuck, planeswalker is what i meant.
>>97326315I want to see an instant with encore
>>97326327Colour Wedges are just MBTIs for neckbeards
>>97326340t. INFJ
>>97326359t. IZZET
>>97326368Why is izzet an insult now?
>>97326407ntsa but:>blue>red
I am nostalgic for a block I never played.
>>97325787The same *4 idiots
>>97326433when I started playing MTG with my two buddies in like 2014, this lil nigga was the star of my first casual 60 card deck
>>97326324I had a too last night stroke lamo
>>97326296>>97326283>>97326261I misread. Ignore me.
>>97326368
>>97326407You know why.
>>97326418red should be. Since it is the antifa color
>>97326487kek
>>97325502this fucker looks fun as fuck. initially thought about making a geralf visionary sticher - theft deck next, but might do this guy instead
>>97326407the peak trannoid colors are green, blue, red and that's 2/3 of them
>>97326511In a different timeline you play Gruul and have friends, Anon
this is one of the best gravehate cards in casual commander btw
>>97326550he cute for sure
>>97326530red + green is gayblue + green is trannyblue + red is gay and tranny
>>97326550That is definitely sideboardable for my artifacts deck
>>97326560Gruul is furry.Izzet is bisexual, even their logo looks like a bisexual dragon flag
>>97326560You are a nutcase
A lot of -1/1 counters in this set… is it time to build?
>>97326582Gruul is pansexual furries
>>97326609A Scars of Mirrodin Infect EDH?
>>97326609He's already great. If you want a fun brew, look at cards that benefit from -1/-1 counters being on creatures but aren't great at putting it on by them self
>>97324498>no downsideslook at this absolute retard tourist over hereIt brings ONLY downsides for the entire format of Commander
>>97326550Love this little nigga. One of my top 5 from last year.
>>97324084Stonehorn Dignitary already makes my pod seethe I can't wait to see what this giant does to them
From a lore perspective, who is the commander you like seeing the most?
>decide to make a blue white flyers EDH deck with this guy>it's hilariously under-poweredYeah I got draw, removal, counters and all that, but the creatures are just so feckless at doing any real damage and are just chump blocking.
>>97326714
>>97326634And yet no one has been able to state a single one. Just a bunch of hysterical fags.
Opinions on crown in non-tap decks?Drawing like, 5 for 6 in two installments seems reasonable, and you always at least draw 1, and at worst it taps the biggest creature every turn. And you can recur it.The problem is, it kind of feels bad to cut synergy draw for it.
>>97326811What's this >>97324562?Oh, I get it, you're retarded
>>97326743I don't think that's even very good for the deck. I don't think I have many tokens if any at all. It's also too much $$$ for a janky pet deck.>>97326761YES. I even have it too. I'm surprised I looked this over. Adding it.
>cards that you're surprised are on the reserved listMy version is damaged from moisture warping, and I go to add one to cart and it only has one printing and is fairly expensive for what it is. Sure enough, reserve list.
>>97324419As someone who has recently built a Sedris list, this is absolutely fantastic news.
>>97326310best we can do is fat chick with a mastectomy
>>97326242maybe he can be used in some long winded combo to sneak in and instantly use his ult instead of running an insurrection effect.
>>97326714Fliers are slop, come to flash town
>>97326219His +2 basically does nothing, his +1 is relatively meaningless in 4-player free-for-all, and the -6 is...all right, I guess? If you can slam him turn three and shit out the emblem turn five without anyone interacting with him, it'll make a tribal deck really annoying to deal with, but it's not really game-winning.
>>97326850I do not see how thats an answer to the question, are you retarded? How peculiar when given the opportunity to be a big boy and speak for yourself you cant.
>>97326815I have this card in roughly 86% of my decks. The free tap is super nice and it doesnt need to tap to sacrifice this card is an all star.
>>97326714Swap to Kastral and all your birds get +3 every turn, or go bant and build Derevi/Choco
This set is kind of a dud isn't it? Feels like there's way too much of a focus on -1/-1 counters on every color, and the powerlevel is just so low on average. There's like 3 cards in this entire set that have any chance of seeing play in 1v1 formats.
>>97327095I swear people have said that about literally every set since Bloomburrow and been proven hilariously wrong every time.
>>97327095Its definitely a disappointment.
>>97326902Why the fuck would that even be on the list
>>97327095It's a dud because it's tribal slop
>>97324487
>>97327095I think it is weird people keep complaining about "low power" sets
>>97327189thats like 35 bucks, I'm not that rich that fastI'm aiming to buy first the most importatn things 1 by 1, gotta save up.<in the meantime, which cards would I need to focus on besides Sephirot? I got some sac outlets from my Orzhov Vampires (Blood Rites precon upgraded a bit)Also some cards from the caesar commander I can use in my Mono Black Life Drain
>>97327009>OY VEY, WE HAVE TO DILUTE COMMANDER SO THAT I CAN BUILD A GRUUL DECK AROUND LATHLISS AND AZUSA AS COMMANDER, BECAUSE I'M TOO RETARDED TO FIGURE OUT COLOUR IDENTITY AND JUST AS MENTALLY CHALLENGED AS THE NEWFAGS WHO BOUGHT AVATAR AND SPIDER MAN SETS!!!!!!11
>>97327218
>>97327009Can't you see that I NEED to be able to play every hybrid-coloured Dimir Spell in my monoblack Infect Artifact EDH with Skittles the Blight Dragon as Commander? :c I'm just a smol mono-coloured goy
>>97327207I think anything that generates tokens is going to be pretty best in slot. Ainok Strike Leader and Voice of Victory are GOAT. ETB pingers like Molten Giant, Impact Tremors, Purphoros. There is a 1 cmc creature with Myriad (Wyrms Crossing Patrol) and another at 2 (Genasi Enforcer). Professional Facebreaker, Pitiless Plunderer.Cards that sac tokens for cards like skullclamp, village rites.
>>97327235Mardu Masterrace
what we thinkin boys? Is this any good in Lathril?
>>97327235Oof one of my friends already owns the Zurgo Precon, but I will lool for the cards you mentionedPretty new to Mardu,, I cam from playing Orzhov Vampires with Elenda Dusk Rose (which I'm also struggling to tune up) this is my current decklist, any thoughts? https://moxfield.com/decks/zHyHk2yb0UOvq5sNxBfmAQ
>>97327218This still is not an answer. Put on your big boy hat and try again
>>97327229Just say you're a WotC shill desperate to sell your Lorwyn slop to new players interested in Commander, we get it
>>97327235>Purphorosalso can´t find Molten Giant.Which Purphoros?
>>97327256Nta, but have you looked at Innistrad Rakdos Vampires and Madness?It's good shit, especially with Queen Marchesa as Commander
>>97327190I had this discussion with my friend, and he said it's because i'm a commander player. He was saying that Spider Man is actually a better set than this return to llorwyn because Spider Man actually has cards that are playable in constructed. His point being that if the cards aren't strong enough, the entire set is a waste of time
>>97327261This is an epic response
>>97324487>>97327266>which purphorosI hate tourists.
>>97327270>Innistrad Rakdos Vampires and Madnessnot really,, I was deciding between Caesar or the Outlaws vamp deck,, although it's the first time I will play red,, I'm main Black, and i've been splashing White for a while. I refused to play Red because i hate goblins and red in general lol, but I guess combining my favorite colors with Red is gonna open a new world.
>>97327277Then play something else, retard
>>97327277well I've played arena for like 3 years but just recently got into paper magic because some friends. I gotta start somewhere isn't it?
>>97327284Start up my butt DWEEB
>>97327286>Dweebsays the dood hating strangers online, get a life
>>97327256
>>97327256>>97327270https://moxfield.com/decks/zHyHk2yb0UOvq5sNxBfmAQFrom the Top of my head:>Falkenrath Gorger>Insolent Neonate>Heir of Falkenrath>Furyblade Vampire>Asylum Visitor>Stromkirk Occultist>Bloodhall Priest>Stromkirk Captain>Abolisher of Bloodlines>Lord of Lineage>Stensia Masquerade>Fiery Temper>Olivia, Mobilized for War
>>97327266>also can´t find Molten Giant.Whoops sorry this one. Its pretty good. Ideally you would play this from the graveyard on a turn when you are going to make/sac a ton of tokens amd push for lethal
>>97327266>Which Purphoros?Fair warning though he is 17$
>>97327279>>97327303THEY DIDN'T EVEN GIVE YOU AN "Urge to Feed" OR A "Blood Tribute" IN YOUR PRECON??At least those Bastards gave you an "Exquisite Blood"!Infuriating
>>97327322>Blood Tributethat list is the upgraded one with cards I have bought over the span of 2 months, I already replaced like a third of the deckbut yeah, the precon didn´t include Urge to Feed nor lood Tribute.... not even a Sol Ring, which I had to buy. But Exquisite Blood alone was half the price of the preco, so i guess it evens out
>>97327279Red is based. RWB is aristocrats on steroids cause red has good sac oulets too like Goblin Bombardment. And also ways to just make a lot of tokens like this
>>97324192This is surely bullshit but when is the hybrid mana change happening?
>>97327344If it is going to happen, it will happen when they set actually drops.
>>97327303>>97327322If you add Red to the mix>Vampiric Fury>Bloodfeast>Stromkirk Noble>Indulgent Aristocrat>Boom & Bust>Deflecting Palm>Rip Apart>Bloodbond Vampire>Malakir Bloodwitch>Blood Baron of Vizkopa>Necropolis Regent>Nahiris Machinations>Call the Bloodline>Incorrigible Youths>Lightning Helix>Terminate>Stensia Banquet>Distemper of the Blood>Blasphemous Act>Cathartic Reunion
>>97327353I'm split on whether I want it to happen or not. It would affect a lot of decks
My record? Twelve extra turns on the stack.
>>97327332Get a "Sanguine Bond", "Drana's Emissary" a "Cliffhaven Vampire" and maaaybe a "Vampire Envoy" too
Hardly any sea monster support outside of some changelings and the seahorse.
>>97327332>>97327366>>97327382Don't think I've seen a Planeswalker so:>Sorin, Lord of Innistrad>Mask of Memoryto go along with Madness and>Anointed Processionto get more value out of "March of the Canonized", "Charismatic Conqueror", "Call the Bloodline" etc.Maybe a "Goblin Bombardment" if "Exquisite Blood" + "Sanguine Bond" isn't satisfying enough of a win combo for you
>>97327382Already have cliffhaven vampireThis pic has all the cards I have for the Elenda deck... some came with the precon and some I bought but I still don´t know which cards to cut or replace
>>97324084commanders for this feel?
>>97327418Nice, thanks but my vamp deck will stay Black & White,,, nice reccomendations btw, already added many of them to my list>>97327303>>97327366>>97327418I cut out Sorin Lord of Innistrad, but I guess it's good for the deck...What should I replace from my deck with the spare cards I got for now? See >>97327422https://moxfield.com/decks/zHyHk2yb0UOvq5sNxBfmAQ
>>97327364cute liz
>>97327433anything boros
>>97327422You definitely want to keep "Charismatic Conqueror" and "Bloodghast""Child of Night" is trash, a "Tithe Drinker"would be better"Falkenrath Noble" is trash, try a "Falkenrath Aristocrat""Vengeful Bloodwitch" and "Pawn of Ulamos" can easily be cut for exampleAlso:>Generous GiftKEK, rly?
>>97327462we're not fucking doing this again
>cast pic rel>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT!
>>97327462>>Generous Gift>KEK, rly?But anon, it lets you remove field of the dead so they, um, well, they probably have crucible of worlds huh, oops
>>97327442Get rid of "Generous Gift" and get an "Anguished Unmaking"
>>97327484>Anguished Unmakingalready on my wishlist, along with InkshieldWhat should I replace generous gift with? Brought Back? Eaten Alive?
>>97327470>Prisoner's DilemmaHmm?
>>97327491should I but another Anguished Unmaking? I already have one in my Caesar deck
>>97327491Something else that destroys any permanent. Downgrading to something that doesn't do that is retarded
>>97327500Utter End or Ruthless Lawbringer is what I have to destroy a permanent, hat's why I included Generous Gift. Why is it bad, besides giving a 3/3?
>>97327500> Destroy> in the year of or lord 2026Brother my permanents all have hexproof, indestructible, and ward 2. Thanks for the 3/3 token albeit.
>>97327513It's not, there's just a couple people in /edhg/ that are retards about it
>>97327397Would be weird to find any in Lorwyn. The only sea monster there before was pic related
>>97327513>Why is it badIndestructible is so high these days its kinda lost some of its luster. Its still one of the most flexible removal white has though.
>>973275133 mana for removal which is both destroy (not exile) and gives compensation is not good.Especially in Orzhov there is zero excuse to run that POS. White has better artifact/enchant removal and black has much better creature removal and white has much better creature removal amd black also has better enchantment removal (yikes!)
>>97327491That's what you replace it with, "Anguished Unmaking"I'm not seeing "Merciless Eviction"Or a "Day of Judgement"Or an "Armageddon" Or an "Austere Command"Or..It's too bad you can't play "Wear & Tear" or "Shattering Blow", but what about "Revoke Existence"?Unmake would be a lot better than whatever "Go for the Throat" is.. or maybe a "Murder"?
>>97327515your lands do? How?
>>97327513It isn't. Generous gift is good
>>97327497It does provide something better in Orzhovapart from "Swords to Plowshares", "Path to Exile", "Mortify", "Exquisite Blood" and "March of the Canonized", I'd cut all the other spells
>>97327525Correction: there IS an "Austere Command", which you should keep as well
>>97327515
>>97327551"Damn" can also stay
>>97327525>White has better artifact/enchant removal and black has much better creature removal and white has much better creature removal amd black also has better enchantment removal (yikes!)I do have Austere Command, just I replaced it because it was hig mana cost,,So, for what I´ve gathered today, I should cut:>Child of Night>Generous Gift>Vengeful Bloodwitch>Pawn of Ulamos>Falkenrath NobleAnd replace them with:>Sorin, Lord of Innistrad>Anguished Unmaking>Utter End>Cliffhaven Vampire>Ruthless Lawbringer>Austere Command>>97327548I have Anguished Unmaking, but I would need to removev it from my Caesar deck,,,, what should I replace it with in the Caesar deck?>>97327564That's one of my favorites
>Been trying not to bring out any of my decent decks in my winnie hut junior pod of newfags for months>Play the slowest most boring game in years where every turn is 3+ minutes of thinking and 1 action where nothing happens>3 hours later I have emerged the winner of this hellhole of a game>Ok guys we have time for one more>Fuck it>Grab my Ulasht deck>Do not get interacted with at all setting up my board>Enter creative mode draw 45 cards and kill the table>Game ends in 30 minutes>Friends want to power down the podIn my hubris and quest to actually have fun I may have made it worse.
>>97327566Lands: Scoured Barrens & Restless Fortress
That's one way to do it
>>97327566>Caesar DeckUhmm, "Terminate" + "Wear & Tear"?"Rip Apart"?"Shattering Blow"?"Unmake"?
>>97327555AIIIEEEEE
>>97327566Oopsie did I just exile all non vampires oh no!
>>97327606>10 ManaAnd I thought "Ruinous Ultimatum" was expensive..
>>97327606>exile "March of the Canonized">exile "Glass-Cast Heart"bummer
everything about mtg cards looks like dogshit these days
>>97327622Amen
>>97327614>ConvokeYou can tap your vampire token/creatures to cast it for less
>>97327626But the Artifacts and Enchantments Mardu relies on heavily get exiled too, then I rather play "Ruinous Ultimatum" tbdesu
>>97327633touché
Or an "Invasion of Fiora"
>>97327614>>10 Mana>And I thought "Ruinous Ultimatum" was expensive..
>>97327646Okay, Zurgo, but what about my "Mardu Banner" and my "Embercleave"?
Let's say it's Turn 9 and I played a Legion's Landing Turn 1..Do I really want to destroy my "Embercleave", which I just cast for 3 and attached to my "Olivia, Mobilized for War" because I attacked together with 2 White 1/1 Vampire Tokens with Lifelink in Turn 8?Do I really want to spend 7 fucking Mana for THAT wipe?I think NOT
I had a Zurgo game where I played a Charismatic Conqueror and kept asking opponents if their creature entered tapped. And then someone else's commander was an Abzan thing that forced everything to enter tapped. Basically nothing entered untapped that game and I won because my greedpile drew into Sephiroth and Purphoros. I think I played like 3 lands the whole game. I was living the dream with a Arcane Signet and Grim Hireling. I love filling my board up with treasure tokens. When they make a Smaug in The Hobbit maybe I'll build that shit if hes Rakdos and hoards treasures.
>>97327686Probably, because otherwise you aren't getting rid of the Sphere of Safety, Ghostly Prison, and War's Toll that's making it impossible for you to attack that one guy.>muh Ruinous UltimatumReplenish.
I could just cast "Invasion of Fiora", remove all non-Legendary creatures, hit with 8 Flying and get a "Marchesa, Resolute Monarch" next turn if my Opponent is still alive at that point
>>97327715Merciless Eviction
>>97327738Exactly. It's worth exiling your own enchantments once your opponents' are more of a problem. Same with artifacts, creatures, you name it. Hemming and hawing over not wanting to lose your own game pieces to wipes is one of the classic signs of a player that's either new or bad.
>>97327750What are the odds I didn't draw>Shattering Blow>Rip Apart>Wear & Tear >Revoke Existencefor 9 Turns that you get to put down 3 Enchantments?
>Just wipe your own artifacts and enchantmens in a Mardu EDH, bro, trust me
Starstorm + Rip Apart + TearInfinitely better solution
>>97327753The same as the odds that I didn't draw removal for your artifacts and enchantments that you're so worried about keeping.
>>97327779"Everything comes to Dust" doesn't go anywhere near my deck, it's just not worth the potential drawbacks
>>97327243Lathril wants a lot of elves and an elf that doubles as removal seems okay but 5 mana is a pretty big ask for something that's just a vanilla 4/4 after it enters.
>>97327759>he doesn't run Wrath effects even in creature-heavy decks>he doesn't run Shatterstorm effects even in artifact-heavy decks>he doesn't run Tranquility effects even in enchantment-heavy decksIt's just an extrapolation of the same principles behind "Who's The Beatdown?". If you deny yourself the ability to pivot, you'll lose more games.
>>97327792The main reason not to run it is that it's UB slop. You have no excuse for not packing Farewell, though.
>>97327792>the potential drawbacksWhich is what exactly? That a neckbeard malds out and shanks you in the parking lot?
>>97327578you could try building decks around alternate win conditions. years ago, I had similar problems, power-wise, and didn't care for the reactions people had when I decided to attack them and not someone else. I ended up figuring out decks based on alternate win conditions or on how to take out everyone at the same time. Theorycrafting decks and testing them out became really fun.Fat blue kami + Lab maniac was my favorite as the deck really snuck up on people.
>>97327578One of the greatest things I ever did for myself was collecting decklists from my playgroup, playtesting them against myself dozens of times, and then showing up with suggestions and analysis. People started running more interaction, I walked them through WHY they should, I themed it to the decks they were running so they didn't feel that they were sacrificing their concepts, and playing with those cards got them to really realize their value.
>>973277996 Artifacts isn't Artifact heavy, dafuq are you on about?The more reason not to destroy my OWN "Embercleave" and "Glass-Cast Heart", let alone mana-fixes or "Mask of Memory"
>>97327799>>he doesn't run Tranquility effects even in enchantment-heavy decksI would not run this as if you're an enchantment heavy deck you're probably hitting your creatures as well as enchantments. Just run more spot removal. Same with artifact-heavy decks. People should run wraths in all decks that aren't trying to combo off, but there's decent one-sided ones like split up and make an example.
>>97327801I'm packing a "Cleanfall" in my Side-Deck though
>>97327825Ive decided that Im going to kill you when you next go to the LGS
>>97327821In Mardu, you can play any Removal you want
You ready for Goblin thief?
>>97327828I'm not sure what you're saying, but I become the Monarch and at the beginning of my end step, I draw a Card(It's "Crackling Doom")
Would this be a based custom sleeve for a Kraven deck?
>>97327843No?Also UBpiggy go back to the farm
>>97327843Think about itIt would be funny
>>97327819You're very retarded. Some day, you will learn to play the game properly. But, until you do, it would behoove you not to argue with people that are attempting to give you decent advice.
>>97327818This sounds like a good idea I might try it. The newest one in the pod doesn't seem to have any wincon or anything that exerts any pressure on opponents. Just a bunch of stuff that incrementally accrues value. But I've never seen that deck turn the corner and try to win the game.
>>97327864Yeah, I don't take advice from people who tell me wiping my own Enchantments and Artifacts in a Mardu Deck is no big dealMaybe you should shove your unsolicited advice?Oh, look! I just played a "Plea of Guidance" and searched my library for "Exquisite Blood" and "Sanguine Bond" :^)
>>97327880>What the hell you guys?! Why are you attacking me and blowing up my stuff? I'm not doing anything! I haven't even played my commander yet. This is so unfair! Why always me?*5 minutes later*>Hahaha, I generate 40 mana and cast these spells and attack you each with 500 goblins. I win! Hahahahah you turds didn't see that coming. I'm so clever.
>>97327893I had an izzet storm deck for a bit and the objectively correct reaction is "no, don't apologize for swinging at me/blowing up my stuff, you made the right decision, I'm going to win on turn 7"
>>97327808>Laboratory Maniac>Fraying Sanity>Hedron Crab>Kami of the Crescent>Thassas Oracle>Vivid Flying Fish>Cursecatcher>High Tide>Time Walk>CounterspellI hate blue so much, it's unreal
Hmmmm... I've always been too much of a hipster to build aristocrats but blighting my own stuff could put a cute spin on things.
>>97327930>Lab ManiacMy deck was pure, and innocent. It even gave everyone else multiple cards a turn and extra mana until I could safely cast some variant of omniscience and then win the game.>Kami of the crescentIs he hated now, or something? I haven't really played magic in 8-10 years and have only been getting back into it recently for pre-release events. When I played, there didn't seem to be of any contempt for him.
>>97327957No, I just hate blue with every fibre of my being and used those Cards in a 40 Card Deck to illustrate to a friend why he needs to build Gruul so we can go on a genocidal crusade against Merfolk and Wizards
We need more Ajani cards
>>97328004God I hate Merfolk,, stupid good precon that is strong and synergises well
>>97327930Timmy brain
This is pretty neat
>>97327930>Mill 3 cards same level as Time WalkTimmy's brain has been buckbroken by blue mana
>>97327174>>97326902it's a rare from before invasion block
Got together with some friends to play with our custom cards at the LGS. I played my Rin and Seri commander, but I really liked another guy's idea of a commander that's also a land. I recreated them for you guys here (with the names changed, obviously). What do you guys think?
>>97328150>3 of these are draw engines that are impossible to removeYou know it's bad when a pair of gay dragon OCs look like the most reasonable cards in the batch.
>>97328153Only Bullshit Stopper was hard to remove. My commander doesn't have indestructible so it dies to a boardwipe. The land guy ended up needing to play his commander as a land because it died twice and the land side isn't that good.The dragons were pretty weak. He didn't do anything all game. I think he's just not very good at making cards.
>>97327095Yes, but its a UW set so kind of expected. We'll just have to wait for turtles
>>97328159>Make card that's not absurdly busted>"Gee why didn't it do anything when we made commanders that have hexproof and let you draw cards for sneezing?"
>>97328161They didn't feel that strong anon. Even Bullshit Stopper doesn't really do anything on his own. He just protects your stuff which is totally fine. The dragons were just weak.
>>97328150>Top 1 cEDH commander overnight that rotates Vintage>Never mind it was just dethroned by Library of Alexandria on steroids>"I want to make Rin and Seri but don't want to have to think about my deck"I take back everything bad I ever said about furries when they seem to be the only ones capable of exercising any form of restraint in card design.
>>97328150This is why /ccg/ died.
>>97328150>Protection from equipment and auras on a monk as a drawbackHOLY KINOAll the other cards are shit.
>>97328167>Cards are cEDH if they're not unplayably bad>>97328174Because people posted cards?>>97328181I don't get it.
>>97328150>Timmy so shit at designing an "invincible creature" it dies to fucking SBA from Gut Shot
>>97327524Generous Gift blows up Gaea's Cradles
>>97328213Anyways
>>97328162>Split second on every spell doesn't do anything in WUBRG
>>97327364>playing Xyris today>turn 3 Weftstalker Ardent>turn 4 offspring instigator, have 2 of them>turn 5 summon Xyris>no one does much, my turn>2 mana cast +1 +1 Xyris and Double Strike him>hit a guy for 8 damage, make 8 snakes>pings everyone for 24>oh, I also summon Junk Winder for 2 blue>everyone immediately scoops
>>97328218Creature removal is bad because reanimate exists
>>97326164Dong of course
>>97328256Maybe try not being a blue player that needs to counterspell everything.
>>97328315The fact that you can't grasp how this fucks every color beyond just blue speaks volumes to your skill level as a player.
>>97327897I had someone Kingmake me with that thing before
>>97328441Jaws is a weird commander that lends itself to a lot of kingmaking.Last time I played against it, the Jaws player ran out of gas, but everyone was low, so nobody could interact with any artifacts, or he would win. We just kinda sat there staring at each other for 5 turns.
>>97327095>set is focused on hitherto under supported play styles and tribes instead of dumping a bunch of powerful cards for already oversupported play styles>this makes it "underpowered" and "boring"Honestly fuck players like this. Not every set is or should be Final Fantasy.
>>97328150Commander Land doesn’t actually work. The rules of the format specify that you can CAST your commander from the command zone, but you don’t cast lands.
>>97327883Why are you acting like Mardu specifically wants to keep its noncreature permanents? It just makes it sound even more like you don’t understand the game.
>>97328798Just add "You may play this land from the command zone." to the land's text.
Commander LandLandThis can be your commander0: Put this onto the battlefield from the command zone. This ability does not use the stack and can only be activated when you can play a land.
>>97324454>drops craterhoof mid-combatholy fuck
Each week my wishes become closer to just somehow banning all the new pings because holy fuck is it such a bitchy strategy while dodging accountability of attacking
>>97325714>whatever UW is>>97325744>UW is better than Marvel>>97325773>UW melty>>97326002>UW which is entirely made up by wotc>>97328160>its a UW setYou are never ever ever going to psyop other people into misusing "UW" to mean "in universe" and I will be delighted when you kill yourself.
>>97328815Because Mardu specifically needs Enchantments to close out the Game, as one knowsIt's almost as if you don't understand strengths and weaknesses of the color wedges
>>97329177I'm utterly baffled at what you think you are saying. what are you under the impression universe within means?
>>97328218>I>JUST>HAVE>IT
>>97329221Most Mardu decks just beat you to death with creatures, enchantments are mostly irrelevant
>>97329254actually, yes. there are so many incidental cards that let you play lands from the grave these days you always need 2 cards to remove one land.cheap costed instant nonbasic exile cannot come fast enough
>>97329268The Tokens on their own don't beat you to deathIt's Enchantments + Tokens that make the winning move
>>97329231Universes Within is the reprinting of Universes Beyond to remove the 3rd party IP characters. What you are referring to is "in universe" sets and characters. An in universe set is not "Universes Within" because it is original and is not reprinting UB.You know this. It has been explained to you many times. For whatever reason you're one of those faggots who thinks he's going to influence 4chan by pushing a meme. I wish you would die.
>>97329254>>97329276
>>97329286that was my first post this entire thread save for posting about the art of surgical extraction. ill spare calling you a schizo and focus on the issue. UW is just shorthand for in canon, everyone understands it even if it isnt technically correct, this sperging rage is unneeded.
>>97329334>UW is just shorthand for in canon,It isn't and this is what you say every time you're called out for your faggy psyop.
>>97329339cool, people still get the gist of the meaning.
>>97329353>i-i-i'm totally not forcing a gay ppsyop!!! i-i-it's just a turn of phrase, people know what I mean!Scuttle away you little roach
Personally, I just like when a card seems fun, I really don't care about the art. Azula is a fun commander and no amount of bitching about piggies will change my mind
>>97329363this genuinely might be the most toothless ragebaiting these threads have produced yet.
>>97329379>y-you're trolling!!!
>>97329398that or you rather us believe you are having an actual meltdown over a mild misuse of a phrase.is anyone going to bat over the term that hard for you to justify posting like that?
>>97329339Inversely, is "UB" not short hand for Universes Beyond?
1 cmc Blood Artist effect when?
>>97328074as a cleric enjoyer I can tell you its garbage.doesnt protect against two of the most commonly used wipes blasphemous act and toxic deluge.
>>97329444already exists senpai :)
>>97329478Oh base I need for my bart lurrus deck
>>97329487well now I just feel bad
>>97329281>all Mardu decks are token decksbut yes, sometimes it is just the tokens beating you to death
>>97329493I knew it was too good to be true...
>>97329493It's a strict downgrade from Blood Artist, too.
>>97329496can't you technically redirect the consultation to change who's naming and looking through their library? i remember there being some weird tech that can do something like this
>>97329421What fresh bait is this? UB = Universes BeyondUW =/= in universeI don't know what point you think you're making.UW is the actual name of a series of cards that were reprints of UB without the 3rd party IP. That's what it is. It has never been a term for in universe sets, no matter how much you try to psyop it in these threads.If you mean "in universe" say in universe. You can even call it IU if your autism compels you. Whatever the case you're not going to convince people that calling in universe sets by a name for something explicitly not original is a legitimate thing to do
>>97329496I hate that whatever faggot redditor made this put all UB cards in hand. Really goes to show what they think is normal
>>97329353The canon of MTG is that you're a planeswalker fighting some other planeswalker for whatever reason by summoning things you've seen. Every single card you play is canon. There is no official or unofficial story, you're a multidimensional observing/hopping wizard summoning things you've seen. You play Urza because you observed Urza's dimension. You play Leonardo because you've observed the Ninja Turtles dimension. That's it. Arguing UB isn't official is retardation when Magic is explicitly a multiverse game. In multiverse slop dimension XYZ is no more canon than dimension ABC.
>>97324192 >Zopanderl and Ghalta in the command zonelol
>>97329496Fixed
>>97329707>In multiverse slop dimension XYZ is no more canon than dimension ABC.Original planes are not the same as 3rd party ads.
>>97329496>JakemtgWhy would you sign something so retarded?
>>97329755Redditors are obsessed with notoriety. Like that faggot Swordtard. I'm glad he finally fucked off.
>>97329597No, you don't declare targets when you cast it, so there isn't anything to redirect
>>97329707This guy gets it.
>>97329825You wouldn't know this as a tourist, but replying to yourself is considered incredibly bad form on this site.
forgive me for i have sinned
>>97329707>>97329825>>97329840All me
>>97329707Anti-UB fags in ruin
>>97329177
>>97329885
Man PDS is so proud of that post.
>>97329943This really doesn't work since the anons in this scenario aren't quitting the show, they just keep watching it but bitching while doing it ultimately changing nothing
>>97329959>ultimately changing nothingWhat do you think your point is?
>>97329953ikr? He fucking replied to himself 3 times>>97329825>>97329860>>97329885
>>97329943>MAGIC IS SESAME STREET NOW!!the anti-ubfag cries, during lorwyn spoiler season
>>97329971you're still playing the game anon, you didn't quit. It's been almost 3 years of this and you still continue to play the game instead of quitting like you've been insisting you will.
>>97329840>>97329983I know you guys are desperate to believe everyone agrees with you, but I actually do just like UB and I think you're all retarded for crying that there are multiple universes in a multiversal setting.
>>97329994Don't think I've ever said I'm going to quit, just said UB is dogshit and ruining the game.Would you like to direct me to a post where I said I was going to quit? Can you do that nonny?
>>97329959And I'm not quitting the game. My playgroup and I simply do not purchase or play with UB products.
I Can't Wait for Universes Without Versions of All My Favorite Classic Magic the Gathering Cards!
>>97330033I can't imagine a scenario where a group of 4 or more people sit around playing and seething with one another about UB and attacking one another of the even dare to say "you know, UB is gay, but this one c-"Seems like a terrible soul draining existence.
>>97329503My Rakdos Madness is a great start, but you know how Red is, to really drive it home I need to tinker with Boros and especially White or force it into some Orzhov Lifelink obscenity
>>97330048>invent a scenario in your own head>project it onto someone else>"gee what a stupid way to live!!!!!"Man you really are retarded aren't you?
>>97330048Why would we bother seething? We simply don't engage with the subfranchise. We don't buy it, we don't play with it, we don't even bother looking at spoilers for it. It doesn't enter into our experience of the game.Do you just sit around constantly thinking about all the things in the world you haven't purchased? That sounds exhausting.
>>97329763what happened to this fag anyway?
>>97330022>Would you like to direct me to a post where I said I was going to quit?I'm 12% sure this is you
I just think it's neat
Set looks truly abysmal lads. Outside of a few EOE singles dont think ive even wanted to buy a card in a year
>>97329943>are you really going to refuse to watch... just cause its differentWell if its different it very well may not have the qualities I like anymore. What kind of worthless worm wrote this lmao
>>97330085He cute
>>97330117Set has some pretty nice cards in it imo
>>97330149pic unrelated? how is this good at 7 mv?
>>97330085Suicide inshallahSame as scrimblo brimblo fag. I mean fuck, it might even have been him all along
>>97330161>year of our lord 2026>still hardcasting shitAnon, I...
>>97330086That's not me and that post isn't saying that poster has quit it's saying he knows other people who have.Now what?
>>97330161
>>97330168No, that's wasn't me that was someone else.
>>97330149>>97330170>7 mana to get one land Epic. Cards art is dogshit too. How is this lorwyn?
>>97330172>That's not me
>>97330177why play it in mono green exactly?
>>97329959I'm definitely playing a hell of a lot less than I used to specifically because of UB
>>97330199What deck you slotting it into mate
>>97330192What do you base that on, Sherlock?
>>97330212
>>97330161>how is putting 5 permanents straight on the board worth 7 mana?????>>97330177>>7 mana to get one landRead the card dipshit, it says until you reveal X permanents. Even if you hit nothing but land you're guaranteed 5 of them if you had 5c on board
>>97330223>>how is putting 5 permanents straight on the board worth 7 mana?????by forcing you into 5c snooze fest? this card requires so many hoops to jump through for its payoff
>>97330177>>97330212>>97330235Pretty good bait, can't lie anon. Good job
>>97330239cant wait to see your face when you top deck it with a shitty board as your top end bomb.
>>97330235Even in something like Naya that's three free permanents including the possibility of blinking him anon. Hell even just hitting lands is good if you have a lands matter deck
>>97330235>by forcing you into 5c snooze fest?Not anymore.
>>97330278AIIIEEEEE my cabb- I mean my color identity
>he's actually spending mana on his 7cmc cards
>>97330363Imma play me some abzan>Entomb>Reanimate>EphemerateWheeee 15 permanents on the board for 3 mana
>>97330363>he pays for spells
>>97328315>>97328162>>97328159>>97328150I think you guys should stay away from the LGS and sequester yourself away from real magic players.
>>97330223>if you hadAnd if i had channel fireball in my hand you lose. Its a green card not 5c, it guarantees you one permanent.>>97330239Genuinely couldn't pay me to play this
>>97330416>this card that cares about having a multicolor permanent on board? heh im gonna cast it when I have NOTHING else on board!!!! isn't that le epic troll xDDDBruh the shitpost isn't even good.I get that we're well after bump limit but can you at least fucking try?
>>97330435??? The card is mono green. So the only guarantee the card gives is one permanent. Anything else is irrelevant to the actual card. Its not a good card.
>>97330442in a vacuum it gets you zero cards because, by definition, in a vacuum you have no other cards
>>97330442Did you know Rhystic study is a bad card because it doesn't do anything its own except give you other cards that aren't guaranteed to be good? Whatever is printed on those cards is irrelevant to the card.It can't even guarantee you a land because the opponent can just pay 1.It isn't a good card.
>>97330459everybody bow before the smartest person in the room
>>97330442I'm tired bro. You're not funny, this isn't even good bait. I don't know what part of your childhood turned you into the kind of adult who acts up in 4chan threads past bump limit by acting like a retard who doesn't understand anything but can you fuck off and take this gay shit to reddit or something?
>>97330470Whats bait? The card itself is green and can only ever itself guarantee one permanent. Literally basic card analysis
>>97330442This is a bad card. You don't even have any other legendaries out! So his buff does nothing!!! You're not even RUNNING other legendary creatures so his cascade will never happen!!!!!!
>>97330522>the card itself is not a creature and can only fizzle. Literally basic card analysis.
>>97330522he's a timmy with hurt feelings because we dont like his timmy card.
>>97330538>>97330522>resorts to samefagging to defend his terrible opinionI wonder how much you think basic lands should cost...
>the only reason this card got discover is because players like commanders with card advantagepeak 2026 magic design
>>97330560This card was supposed to have flavor text I can feel it in the deepest parts of my soul.
>>97330560Someone said this card was hard because you have to gain life to get free stuff.
>>97330625Gaining life is easy. Building a deck with enough cheapo lifegain pieces to enable Bre but also ensuring the discover consistently hits your biggest value cards instead of said cheapo lifegain pieces is harder.
>>97330655Solved game
>>97330655have you read the card? she is the enabler and the payoff. just play good beaters and the engine runs itself.
>>97330560>he thinks flying and lifelink is worth spending 4 mana, waiting a turn, and then spending 2 mana to get it for a turnNo, that card has discover to justify the cost.
>>97330680One of my favorite cards for that reason. It solves so many issues of a deck, and makes a really optimized deck hum along, always pulling answers out of the deck in the nick of time.
>>97330655SHE LITERALLY GIVES LIFELINK AND FLYING YOU NIGGERFAGGOT LMAO ITS NOT HARD AT ALL
>>97330699>whiteroom theory retard completely misses the pointMany such cases
>>97330699It could also be fun to give burn boys like hidetsugu lifelink with her.
>>97330726>>97330680>running divining topPathetic. Easily one of the faggiest cards ever printed.
>>97330747you sound like a person who would slot aurora awakener into the 99
>>97330767why?
IM BAKING NEW
>>97330560Free value slop is so boring. So much worse than do thing draw card. Sadly the zoomers love it so this is the future.
>>97330818Hurry I need to tell everyone what retards they are
>>97330560>>97330831>Good cards shouldn't be good>Crying about a boros card being good and strong
>>97330831But you can copy the trigger anon isn't so cool and also epic?
>>97330842Good cards should be interesting :) or else you just have a boring game!
>>97330846>>97330846>>97330846
>>97330879She is interesting. You are not the arbiter of what is interesting.emoji yourself up a rope
>>97324562Restrictions aren't inerently good and we've already gotten rid of a bunch of them already and made the format better for it. I certain enjoy having actual commanders and not uncastable 3-color elder dragons
