mourning the dead (threads) edition>Previous>>97309570>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>WoD5 Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread Questionhow dark and broody and GOTHIC do you like your games?
>>97324423can ghouls trade vitae or give vitae to non-ghouls?
>>97324423I want 50% darkness, 30% broody, and 20% Broody.According to this map, how fucked are you?
>>97324440Not unless they possess some specialized merits or powers.
>>97324423I love my ST but he knows fuck all about punk, goth, metal, whatever. My character by default has kind of pushed those themes into a regular part of the human elements of our game, but most of the characters in that realm feel like extras out of This Is Spinal Tap.>>97324446I can only assume that Indiana is Anarch territory because neither Camarilla or Sabbat give a shit about us (good).
>>97324423>how dark and broody and GOTHIC do you like your games?I am the One who unrolls the horizon.I stand at the prow of the Boat of Millions of Years.My voice is the north wind; my heart is the steady stone.I have come forth from the primeval waters,And I bring the Gold of the Morning to burn away the mist.Get back, you Crawler! You who eat shadows!You with the coiled spine and the lying tongue.Your clouds cannot swallow the Disk.Your noise cannot break the Silence.I know you, Isfet. I know your name.You are the Uncreated. You are the Empty Throat.Your sandbanks are severed; your path is unmade.Behold, the Scales are set!The Feather of Truth is lifted high, and it is heavier than your mountains of deceit.The Flint Knife descends!It cuts the haze. It severs the knot of confusion.The blood of chaos turns to water; it sinks into the earth and is forgotten.There is no room for you here.The Hall of Two Truths is swept clean.The sky is supported. The earth is stable.The Nile swells in its proper season.The stars do not drift from their courses.What was broken is made whole.What was jagged is made smooth.I breathe the air of Order. I drink the water of Righteousness.Ma’at is satisfied.Ma’at is satisfied.Ma’at is satisfied.The Sun rises, and the Serpent is blind.It has been spoken, and so it is.
>>97324446>no Sabbat in scandinaviasomeone hasn't read Clanbook Tzimisce
>>97324446>S*bbatYeah, I'm gonna have to move. Anyone got any good holy places?
>>97324583these maps are never any good. Trying to cobble together a coherent territory map with clean borders for a setting with as many different writers as WoD? Impossible. Even if you succeeded by tracking down every tiny little territory claim in every little book, you'd wind up with something that looks like a map of Africa by tribal affiliation. And then nobody would be happy.
>>97324597if we go by land area then almost all of it should just be Garou territory, vampires (aside from Gangrel and the occasional Tzimisce who still thinks it's the 1200s) live in cities where the blood is (and werewolves aren't)
>>97324446>UtahWTF happened there?
>>97324622I'd assume it's a joke about Mormons desu
>>97324622Mormons all have true faith because they follow the only true religion (the rest were created by Satan to enslave you)
>>97324622original lore said that there are no vampires in utah because of the mormonsrevised later said that this a lie the tremere and nosferatu keep up together so that they have some privacy there. the tremere had meerlinda's main chantry there where they tried to find the true name of all of mankind while the nosferatu i think had the schrecknet main server there
>>97324446Vatican status?
>>97324658rome has offically a camarilla prince but Camilla the ventrue founder of the road of sin and self declared ruler of eternal rome recently woke up from topor
>>97324622Mormons have a unique sorcery tradition.
>>97324446This map sucks, but how do YOU envision your city/town/village looking in the World of Darkness?
>>97324806I live in the D.C. metro area and this place is peak Camarilla. There is no argument counter to that. Camarilla as it comes.
>>97324806no wolves so no woofsnot enough crime for lickstoo banal for faerieslike the third most religious place in the countrysuspiciously high amount of failed robberies on one street in particular (near a church...)yeah it's controlled by the Celestial Chorus
>>97324899>yeah it's controlled by the Celestial ChorusIs that usually a good or bad thing?
>>97324653>Revised lore ruined yet another cool thing before I knew about itGod fucking damnit
>>97324905good until the vax stops working and we all get measles and die
>>97324919As if the union would ever let that one happen without a good reason.
>>97324806a major trade center of the country where however a large redlight district is 15 minutes away from both the inner city and the habormajor camarilla and technocrat city swarming with setites and ecstatics that they can't seem to get rid of
>>97324907you don't understand: we have to feature the tremere in everything!no idea what the nosferatu are doing here however
>>97324940tbf the local government also has an absurd idea of building a massive (it would put our town in the top 10 largest cities in the country list btw) mixed industrial-residential area where people will live on and in the factories (no I am not making this up) and they have invested a lot in tech education like electricians and such so there is probably a battle going on between Iteration X and the Chorus behind the scenes now that I think about it
>>97324806I am creatively bankrupt, so I don't know how to paint a more in-depth picture of a city I have lived a good 7 years of my life in. Like there are some obvious threads to pull, yet they sound incredibly generic for the most part.
>>97324616if you tried to multi-splat one of these things it'd look like an unintelligible technicolor snow nightmare of constant five way contested regions.
>>97324907>Mormons of all people having the ability to keep vampires out>cool thingTell me you don't live in America without telling me you don't live in America. Those guys are a special breed of dumb.
>>97324446>Texas is on the frontline between Cam and Sab
>>97324806Disproportionately large Verbena-affiliated population for its size, though most of them are probably sorcerers rather than mages. If there are any vampires, they're Gangrel, Nosferatu or Malkavian. If there are any werewolves, Fianna or Bone Gnawer. Decent probability of a changeling or two, though I'm not very informed about CtD.
>>97325153mirin'
If you're a man that became a vampire, would drinking mens blood be considered gay by other kindred? By you?
>>97325202drinking blood is like sex but a thousand times better so yes it's really fucking gay that you are sucking off dudes when you could just as easily go for the other half of the population
>>97325036They may be dumb as hell but they fit most of WOD was aiming for in terms of religion.
>>97325214My thoughts exactly. Ishygddt
>>97325202>>97325214Drinking blood from men is as gay as eating meat from a bull.
>>97325273>humans are just le cattlecope cooked up by niggas that can't admit they are GAY
>>97325273Ventrue please, keep your gay excuses to yourself.
>>97325250>but they fit most of WOD was aiming for in terms of religion.Elaborate. Not even trying to bait you I'm genuinely curious, since oWoD has a nasty habit of sweeping for less than stellar religions.
>>97325306>>97325291Kek
>>97325214>>97325291>>97325306Bold talk from people who couldn't feed on a woman even if they had Presence 5.
>>97325325Yeah yeah, we all know why you like your big black towers so much.
>>97325311The Mormons are an a very American religion with the right traits to use them in a urban fantasy story like their secrets society shenanigans and necromancy like rituals to commune with the dead from more relevant places.
>>97325335surely you can do better than that.
>>97325372If they could they wouldn't be here.
>>97325372I admit it wasn't that good. But at least I'm not sucking dudes.
>>97324423Every anon using the mega do not download files from said mega they are supremely sketch glad I ran them all through virus total. Most contain root kits aswell as adobe exploits If you have downloaded any PDFs for instance mummy 2e had 10 mitre exploitations alone. Again this is a warning to all anons the PDFs are exploitative be very careful and
>>97325423>andI would suggest wiping your windows install and clean booting
>>97324423>how dark and broody and GOTHIC do you like your games?The chronicle I played in was definitely dark and broody. My ST took a lot of inspiration from American Horror Story in that all the paranormal stuff was mostly a backdrop to stories about people being horrible to each other. As for 'gothic', he kinda leaned into various goth sub-types being popular among particular sub-splats. For example, I remember that cyber-goths were often young Technocrats while rivet-heads were often fomori. >>97324446I am unable to discern the shades on that map; what's going on in Florida?>>97324806>but how do YOU envision your city/town/village looking in the World of Darkness?A lot of changelings and maybe some mokole of the American Alligator persuasion. Maybe some redneck Bone-Gnawers in the more rural interior parts of the state. >>97325036>dumbDumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!
>>97325348Eh, there's better conspiracy fodder from other organized abrahamic religions and the mormons are by in large domesticated nowadays. Sure, they got their start as Islam for WASPs with just a skosh of scientology thrown in for fun, but Uncle Sam brought them to heel by the end of the 19th century. Now they're just another weird Christian offshoot we tolerate because they don't cause much of a ruckus. Nothing about them screams having the wealth of faith or cunning to ward away vampires.
>>97325202Its dodgy at best. Biting men is gayer than biting women. Neck bites (on men) are much gayer that forearm bites.
>>97325423We've had these MEGAs for years, anon. There's also two of them. Have you checked the files in both? Care to provide us actual evidence for the files being sketch?
>>97325423how long have they had those viruses because uhhh I have copies that have been on my computer for years...
>>97325470Upload the ones you have to virus total, check and see what they are doing because I’m retarded and didn’t realize I’d lose my Firefox history folder/cookies.Most disgusting example that I’ve found was mummy second edition as I’ve said.
>>97325477Probably years they all are mostly trivial adobe exploits though. Still not good to have something that can install a rootkit on your machine if you open it with the wrong pdf reader.
>>97325517I open my pdfs with my browser
>>97325455>>97325348Mormon compounds would probably be a great cover for a Tremere Chantry
>>97325499Let me get this straight. You're the first person who has, in the many, many years we've had these Megas (MEGA 1 is much older than 2, I think 2 is only a few years old), realized they contain stupid dangerous amounts of malware, and can't even remember which MEGA you were on when you found this out?I'd like to see some hard evidence before we scrap some of the last exhaustive PDF repositories left on /tg/, chicken little.
looked through all the pdfs I had installed zero had viruses I think anon might be a Malkavian
>>97324446I don't think there are any vamps in newfoundland. An island that's mostly garou-inhabited wilderness where nothing happens and the population's less than most cities is not a great place to set up shop.
>>97325423also mummy second edition from the second mega has nothing found from my antivirus nor virus total i'd check your brower and os
>>97325555>quadsChecked.
>>97325527They don’t seem to be exploiting Firefox
>>97325534Twas mega one.
>>97324521Sexo with cute garou girl.
>>97325562Apologies it’s from the first mega.
>>97325550>>97325562I checked Goblin Markets, was the only one I had pre downloaded on my laptop (traveling rn). Came up clean.
>>97325585virus total also doesn't find any on that file
>ITT Anon learns he has schizophrenia
>>97325614>behaviorGo to behavior and see what it’s doing under the hood. That’s what I’m talking about
why do we even have the first mega still in the op? are there even any books in it that aren't in the second mega?
>>97325627Donno guess a pdf constantly checking for your operating system is fine I guess
>>97325094That explains why Austin is so dangerous these days.
>>97325691seems like it's desperately looking for Adobe
>>97325691>>97325739brother post your damn evidence if we're not seeing it. Quit being a smug faggot and actually provide proof like the other anons are.
>>97325851Ignore him, he's just another nosferatu trying to stir shit up.
this is what showed up on demon the fallen
>>97325903So, the real question is, does this actually mean anything or is this behavior normal for PDFs? I'm not tech savvy enough to figure what's a reasonable number of false positives and I don't trust a guy as cagey as the first Anon who brought the issue up.Gonna try to run a PDF I made myself through this thing to see what it comes up with.
>>97325903>masquerading>hide artifactstremere pdf?
>>97325963some of them only looked for adobe but this one in particular did actually check system32 and windows data
>>97326096Nah. Looks like someotherclan's shit to me.
>>97326194I'm trying to get a control by running a scan on a PDF I created (thus I know no malware is on it), but almost 30 minutes later CAPE and Zenbox still aren't done scanning it, and they're the ones giving the Mitre attack hits.
>>97326194Yep, it’s some sketch sketch shit.
>>97326240Refresh your browser
>>97326294I have. Zenbox completed after 30 mins, CAPE is still going.
>>97326304Any mitre?
>>97326311Yes, actually both just finished. This is for a PDF I made myself, so there might be a case of false positives going on. I'm not a tech expert.Less Mitre flags than the CtL PDF I scanned, about half. But it has an IDS rule break that the other PDF doesn't.
>>97326342Does it search for adobe? System 32?
>>97326357Mummy 2e has a rootkit aswell btw
>>97326357I'm really not sure. This isn't my area of expertise and I don't know why, if this behavior is so abnormal for a PDF, why it wouldn't be flagged by security vendors, and why the worst thing I've seen is a Medium on Mitre. Or why the first MEGA has been here for I genuinely think a decade, and nobody has ever reported it for suspicious files? If such outrageous malware has been sitting here for that long, how come this is the first we're hearing about it? CTRL-F System32 has more hits for my PDF than the one from the MEGA.
Did we get any cool STVault books in the last months?
>>97325423I downloaded Werewolf: the Apocalypse weeks ago...
>>97326745Your ass now belongs to the GlassWalkers/Tremere/Setites/ [insert another group here]
>>97326745The game?
>>97326745Sounds like you'll make a great Pentex employee, not that you have a choice.
>A rogue Virtual Adept is infecting people with special viruses made with Life, Correspondence and Forces>If your PC gets infected, congrats, you now have magickal cyber AIDS too
>>97327267But does that turn me into a little girl?
>>97327302only in the digital web
>>97326717IIRC there were new coven books,
>>97326717I'm a fan of Werewolf: the Savage Age and they published a collection of NPCs recently
How does one go about making a city gothicpunk while still keeping it recognizable to the real deal?
For those of you who like koldun shit: Old Witchcraft - Secrets of Koldunic Sorcery and The Koldun Companion are free ST Vault books that are worth taking a look at.
>>97327560Sell me on it, sounds interesting.>>97327651I figure Bloodlines is a great guide to adapting a city even if frankly the soundtrack carries a lot of it. Shame the guy will never produce something on that level again.>Gargoyles>Rooftops and Antennae must look oppressive and be suspiciously taller than real life>hostile architecture, mixture of gothic and modern despite not really fitting in super well>not very well lit>multiple places are rundown or abandoned even more so than in a modern cityYou'd probably have to find a place in your city that gives off more vibes like that at night and then base everything around it. The LA sewers suck too but the way WoD makes it lead to caves and catacombs with gothic architecture kind of lets you assume that you don't need to 1-1 it. As long as landmarks exist and you sort of capture a city's soul in a way it shouldn't be a big deal.
>>97327651Everything is Gotham/The Crow coded. Its dark & gloomy & it rainw. The crime is worse & everywhere. The architecture is full of gargoyles & cold metal & stone. It rains, but it can't rain all the time.
Sorry to post so late but someone mentioned a red head changling gf last thread so I dumped their description into Perchance.
>>97327714
>>97327714Nice to see she already comes with the Changeling Eyes flaw.
I am back friends, it seems politics posting is very much not appreciated by the local fun police.
>>97327708>Sell me on it, sounds interesting.Savage Age takes place post-Impergium but pre-War of Rage, which allows you to play as some of the extinct Fera. The Grondr (Wereboars, dedicated Wyrm exterminators) are especially cool. It's a fairly in-depth (not realism of course) pre-historic setting that allows for very different games than anything WoD ever really touched on in canon. You can of course use it as a jumping off point for a War of Rage game.
>>97327560>collection of NPCs recentlyAny cool waifu?
>>97327789There's a Nvbian Qveen with enormous hips (Werebull, natch)
>>97324446People say the wilderness is Garou territory but 12k Garou cannot manage the entirety of the world's wilderness while also having sizeable packs in the larger cities.
>>97327775Did the War of Rage not happen before the Impergium? Anyway it does sound cool.>>97327803>WerebullHopefully not the NTR kind I hope?
>>97327830The exact timeline isn't very consistent, but generally the Impergium is believed to have taken place before the War of Rage.
>>97327830Every werebull is the ntr kind.
Can Mage the Awakening 2E be able to do a traditional dungeon crawl? Such as an Iris is found to a ruined lost city with dangerous beings and environments but with Mysteries and Secrets?
FOUND IT!!!PAGE 63 OF ELYSIUM TALKD ABOUT THAUMATURGES LEARNING & BENEFITING FROM MUMMY HEKAU.If you read around d the different books pretty much every single one talks about learning Thaum paths or Hekau or Necromancy Paths or whatever as Sorcery & vice versa. In the World of Darkness, all the non-Awakened magic is kind of the same & can be somewhat interchangeable. You still have to do the hard work of translating the particular path into your own splats "paradigm" or whatever you'd like to call it. A vampire can't teach "Path of Mercury" to a Mummy/ Sorcerer but a Mummy/Sorcerer can learn a Hekau/Numina that mimics Path of Mercury if they do the research.
>>97327830All of the Fera were in on the Impergium
>>97327846Where does the Sadistic Shota trope originate from anyway?>>97327840I see, thank you. It does sound like a cool setting if I can ever get players together to even play WtA.
>>97327850running several combat encounters in quick succession is the closest you should get to a "dungeon crawl" in ANY WoD game. It's not that kind of game.
>>97327852You mean this?
>>97327859>Where does the Sadistic Shota trope originate from anyway?Dunno, I'm more of an ugly bastard myself.
>>97327860Traditional Dungeon Crawls are not all about combat encounters. It' about overcoming obstacles with or without violence
>>97327873I didn't say it was all about combat. I said that's the closest you should get to a dungeon crawl because WoD isn't a dungeon crawling game. Hopefully reading my exact point a second time helps clear this up.Describe the role a map of the dungeon would play in this. Because if my ST plopped down a map that we gradually uncovered in one of these games I'd be bummed and checked out until we were done with it
>>97327866That & Mummy Companion
>>97327728He said red eyes so she gets red eyes
>>97327895I wasn't complaining.>>97327891I don't know man, the merit says nothing about hekau or learning it.The passage I posted does prove kindred can use the amulets, but learning it is another matter.
>>973278461-Ugly Bastars2-Scumbag Gyarou3-Consentacles4-Faceless Muscleman5-Sadistic Shota6-Hypnosis App7-Time Freezer8-Aphrodisiac Abiser9-Not so Kind/Trusting Friend/Authority Figure0-Panty SnatcherDubs-Pick 2Trips-Pick 3
>>97327889You were the one who brought combat encounters into the discussion
>>97327912Time freezer sounds cool.
>>97327908Sorcerers can learn Hekau (Can't remember but even you mentioned it)Mummies can learn Sorcery (Base Book)Mummies can learn Blood Magic (Dark Ages Secrets)Sorcerers can learn Blood Magic (same as above)Vampires can learn Sorcery (Core/Thaum sourcebooks)Vampires should have no problem learning hekau, it's all transitive. If anything, an ST can just say it operates on Bane Mummy vibes instead of Amenti. Call it "Blood Amulets/ Alchemy/Rem (Nomenclature)/etc
>>97327913Okay autist.
>>97327917And you got it lol>>97327912Rollin'
>>97327854Someone should rank the Fera by NTR stereotypes or what sort of crimes they were doing to humans during the Impergium.>>97327870Ugly Bastard is the anon's choice, assuming no NTR isn't an option.
>>97327866How do you get Thaum over 5 if there are no powers over 5?>>97327912Rolling for Hypnosis App
>>97327944You just pay for the 6th (or 7th, or...) level of the discipline itself. Like the text say, you don't get anything other than the ability to cast rituals level 6+.
>>97327944Your first path taps out, but there are 6+ Rituals.
>>97327931>Sorcerers can learn Hekau (Can't remember but even you mentioned it)I think you are mistaking me for some other anon. That's the first time I'm getting into the hekau debate. I don't really care, to be honest.
>>97327982Fair enough
>>97327952>>97327960Oh neat, thanks for the explanation.
>>97324446I fucking hate Kindred of the East so much it's unreal. Ching chong ass shit.
>>97328050You are just mad you didn't fuck the girl in clan quest mod.
>>97327714>>97327719>The Slop.Not so bad. I need to step up my game and stop playing my games and start drawing. You missed out on a slight amount of chub.
>>97328110Would you fuck an Anarch Nosteratu? Also, to digress, the reason why I hate Kindred of the East is because it's lore is incredibly retarded weeaboo shit that also homogenized east asia into an orientalist themepark of flanderized kung fu vampires. I prefer my Japanese Tzimisce, sorry.
>>97328121Not him, but is this better?
>>97328176There's something odd about her... I can't quite put my finger on it.
>>97328132Counterpoint: Devil-Tigers
>>97328184She is a changeling afterall. Must be that extreme red hair bleeding tgrough the mask.Probably a fire elemental or chicken beast
Man, I really need to learn to use AI art stuff. It would be perfect if I can do it before my next chronicle.>>97327846Lets see what kind of bastard I am.
>>97325372Oh, I can. Just ask your mom.
>>97328539DAAAAAMMMMNNNNN
Help me, woofbros!!!
>>97327859Hypnosis doujins, primarily
>>97328958>ever letting a filthy Were*pe catch you aloneThis is Gaia's will young one.>>97329001I'd figure Hypnosis doujins would be fat old bastards instead
>>97327931How does one even approach learning blood magic without the necessary vitae with which to cast it let alone experiment enough to gain the control necessary to not explode yourself?
>>97329051You dont learn blood magic. You learn whatever magic youre used to, but you incorporate the principles inherit within.Its like the differences between a water pump, a fuel pump, & an air pump.
I feel like recently there was a lot more janny activity on political discussion on this board, going by the WoD counterculture thread
>>97329167I suppose that makes sense for why Tremere Thaumaturgy does basically everything already
>>97328184I think I know what it is, I'll gladly take her off your hands.
>>97329205Exactly its all the same engine & principles, you just need to find a way to covert it from running on numina to vitae to sekhem to kerosine or diesel
>>97324446I thought Canada was supposed to be controlled by the Sabbat under Kyle Strathcona.
>>97328176Not really. Lemme draw her, you'll get what I mean.
>>97329773A lot of that map was just filling in space that the creator wasn't aware of with whatever. It's almost surprising it got Utah being free of vamps correct really>>97328176>comical hourglassthe keywords you want are "plump figure, slight muffin top stomach"
>>97327826VtM Lupines are not written in the same way as WtA Garou and WtA lore was not kept in mind when they were writing about Lupines.
>>97327826The math that leads to the 12k figure is such an absurd oversight of editing. I can't imagine running a game of Werewolf where you don't treat it as noncanon
>>97329891>>97329923I wouldn't keep the figure in mine for any game except if you want to be a purist for W5. It makes sense in W5, given that the Nation collapsed and all that. It doesn't make sense in anything before or in settings where you're hunting or dealing with werewolves by the scores per city like Lupines for VtM or in a Hunter game. Granted, the world is quite an overstatement since Garou aren't very present in Asia or Africa, possibly Russia iirc.
Yknow its come to me that I don't actually know the defining physical traits OF a Redcap. What are they?
>>97330019idk how spread out they would necessarily be but Russia is a big stronghold for the Silver Fangs.
>>97330024blue shoes
>>97330027Last I remember reading they basically got destroyed by Baba Yaga over there.
>>97330024>Redcaps tend toward stocky builds with grayish, mottled skin and thick, bandy legs. Even Seelie redcaps have horrid, bloodshot eyes, skeletal noses, and rubbery, wrinkled faces. Worst of all are their ghoulish mouths filled with yellowed, crooked, flat teeth used for grinding and ripping.
>>97330036She destroys a couple caerns/septs but there's still a couple hundred even after 50 of them die in a battle to kill one of the Zmei (they succeeded). There are official tallies in Rage Across Russia, which the existence of this book should tell you something.
>>97330076I should note I'm talking about all Garou not just the Fangs here.
>>97330057Can we just bomb the dreaming with mathematical formulas and elevator music?
>>97330057>Stocky. >Grayish Mottle skin.Y'know, I think making her a Red-Cap isn't quite what I had in mind. Lemme draw her up and you guys help me place her.
>>97330076>>97330091Oh neat. That's kind of cool I suppose. Still seems comically small amount of Garou for the entirety of Russia
they really did Baba dirty, like atleast have her killer be Absimiliard himself and not some loli he created in his creepy Epstein cave
>>97330147Yeah Werewolf had no sense of scale even at the best of times.
>>97330250Wasn't it shota?
>>97330328I just remembered how they looked like very uhhh feminine shota
>>97329773There are Sabbat in Canada, but having a Cardinal of an area does not mean the Sabbat owns the entire area. They have a Cardinal of the U.S. east coast, doesn't mean Polonia owns the entire east coast. It's why these CK-esque maps suck, they can't show you anything accurate.
>>97330273Tbf this is something WoD suffers from overall, 100k kine per lick is something that seems reasonable on paper, but quickly doesn't really make sense in terms of establishing near global (I hate KotE) vampiric society while also dealing with in-fighting and Kindred doing whatever the hell they want. How can a prince of a smaller city even call a Blood Hunt with a grand total of 7 kindred in the area? Even further crazy numbers, 250 Vampires per Mage is some insane stuff. You can barely have understandable societies with those low numbers. I'm aware it's more of an "as many as you want" type of setting but it's a bit crazy they thought the numbers added up.
>>97330328>>97330336male monster of unknown true form using obfuscate to appear as little girl
>>97330505This sounds like a description of niche japanese pornography
>>97330602what can i say the nictuku are still nosferatu
>>97324446When did Jersey flip Anarch, did I miss something?
>>97330611>tfw will never be an ugly sadistic shota with super powers
>>97328132V5ers have such shit taste it's unreal
When trying to determine the state of the world and the current state of affairs for vampires, do you extrapolate from V20, or do you go all the way back to Revised and extrapolate from its metaplot? Or do you refuse to participate in chronicles set after the early 00s?
>>97331329A bit of both.
>>97331305People gave KotE shit well before V5 you newfag.
>>97331329A bit of all three I supposed? Some v5 shit is alright when put into moderation as well.
>>97331400And thosed people also seem to overwhelmingly join the pro-V5 crowd when it cam out. The KotE hate was just an early sign of shit taste, we should have listened before it was too late.
>>97331444>TripsChecked.
>>97331444I personally just don't like how it's 5 splats in one trench coat and while I like the unique flavor of it, it's a bit nonsensical but cool. Just feels like it doesn't really fit.
>>97331355>>97331421Do you want to expand on what particular stuff you like to use from these editions?
>>97331464>it's a bit nonsensical but coolDescribed classic wod in one sentence.
>>97331444>And thosed people also seem to overwhelmingly join the pro-V5 crowd when it cam out.Source: my feelings said soKotE was garbage. V5 is garbage. You're a baby.
>>97331518>Anon seething so hard it's palpable through the monitorSomeone is feeling called out it seems.
>>97330024Imo, Dreaming kiths aren't actually married to specific physical characteristics. Like, there's no defining Pooka.
>>97328958Funny thing is, Bigfoots do hate Werewolves, they were a failed creation of Gaia that was supposed to do the Fera's job but instead got replaced.
I could heem everyone in this thread.
>>97328958Can't beat the rape ape
>>97331554nta, you seem like the salty one to me.
>>97331607>>97331629I thought Wereapes were a mockery breed created by Pentex? Or is this more Bigfoot Bigfoot.>>97331609At the same time?
>>97331444Based trips of death.Listen, I love the concept of KotE. I think there's also a lot to criticize and it's very incomplete and flawed. But to me, that just gives me a creative toolbox to play with, which is why I've been working on "updating" some elements (mainly expanding upon Heretical Dharmas by hombrewing more culturally flavorful ones).
>>97331681>At the same time?admittedly probably not
>>97331329I use the Chronicles of Darkness because the present is the default setting.
>>97331786Even CofD 2e is dated at this point.
>>97331684The heretical Dharmas are super under-developed. Especially considering the Ravnos/Indian Kuei-Jin war was literally central to the metaplot.
Shitties tradition?
>>97331845Cult of Ecstasy. Duuuuuuuude drugs and sex lmao.
>>97331845V*rbena
>>97331845Verbena, it's no contest.Their justification for existing is an entirely fictional alt-history they made up and they actively murder children in their rituals. It's genuinely be hard to tell if one went full nephandi.>>97331867Meh, at least they get cool points for hunting pedos on the dark web.
>>97331997>>97331998They also buy into the whole werewolf gaia nonsense too. Ridiculous, amirite?
>>97331845Verbena seem to be the most offensivly terrible, but i also never see anyone even use the Cult of Ecstasy or Akashic Brotherhood in the games
>>97331845Verbana, atleast the Euthanatoi are funny in how straight they play at being badass assassins in trenchcoats... who everyone else just sees as serial killers
>>97332005>Ridiculous, amirite?Yeah, imagine being a bitch to some weak as shit spirit, lmao.
>>97331998>Their justification for existing is an entirely fictional alt-history they made uppeople don't shit on these guys enough for thinking that ancient magical bloodlines are a thing. It's one of the few times a tradition's paradigm is just flat out wrong and even their schizophrenia can't make it right lmao
Reminder Br*cato was a Verbena in real life.
>>97331845Verbitches for being actual shizos and The Order of Herpes for creating (and jobbing to, lol) T*emere.
>>97331845Cult of Ecstasy. Imagine making a pocket dimension where "let's have reckless fun and experience true ecstasy" is your number one goal only to go "Actually..."Cowards, they're all cowards!
>>97332091True enough that mage bloodlines aren't a thing, because that's literally impossible under mage metaphysics.However, there are plenty of static magic bloodline. The WTA shifters themselves are technically a collection of ancient shamanistic magic bloodlines(they'd kill you for saying that though).
>>97332505Nah nah they're half-spirit half-man, obviously. Sure they have some weird innate sorcerous elements to them and gnosis is arguably something other people might have, but you're a Wyrm-chud if you communicate this to them and clearly are planning to personally rape Gaia behind the O'Tolley's.
>>97332141That only makes me more sympathetic towards them.It means a fucking idiot who doesn't understand paganism (or how human sacrifice is seen in paganistic paradigms irl) wrote their lore.>>97332015My current game has Verbena (players), Ecstatics (also players) and a few Akashic NPCs.Mage is more fun to play with people who are actually interested in magickal practices, because they're the ones who are more likely to go beyond the stereotype and try to engage with both the tradition and personal paradigms in creative ways.Good luck finding people like that, though. I was very lucky.
>>97332559>get yourself TTRPG players playing one of the most blatant power fantasy rpgs who are genuinely interested in occultismStruck a gold mine, frankly. Good on you anon, I hope the game is going well. Any story times though?
>>97330250Funnily enough, if I remember correctly, someone did the math before, and do to how old Baba Yaga is, her assassin would have been a vampire longer than Absimiliard.>>97330492Something important to remember is that vampire populations are concentrated in cities, so the population numbers are deceptive.
>>97332091To be fair, ancient magical bloodlines not being a thing was a retcon.
>>97332505Yeah but the verbanna's entire thing is that they think that all true magic comes from a direct bloodline to the ancient Wyck (who aren't real)>The Wyck were the first true mages, born of mortal flesh and primal spirit. They were the first ones to reach out with their hands and their wills to shape the world to suit their needs and their wishes. Their power was like nothing we, their descendents of blood and spirit, now possess. For them magic was almost effortless, a part of their very being. They didn’t require tools and rituals to work their wills, making them the equal of the greatest masters our Tradition has ever known — greater even. Some say that the Wyck were not just mages, but gods, that they were the tribes other men worshipped for their power and insight: the Aesir, the Vanir, the Olympians, the Tuatha De Danaan, the Orishas and the other gods and heroes of myth.>We only know that the Wyck were the first, and that we, the Verbena, are their most direct descendants.>the Aeduna were the descendants of the Wyck both literally and figuratively. They were the spiritual children of the Wise Ones, inheritors of theirmagic, that essence of creation that fired their spirits. They also had the blood of the Wyck in their veins and were the first to understand the passing of power, and other qualities, through bloodlines, from parent to child. They kept the histories of their family lines, tracing their ancestry back to the First One>The Old Faith also held strongly to ideas of bloodline and inheritance now found among the modern Gardeners of the Tree. They believed that the power of magic came from direct descent from the Aeduna, and therefore the Wyck. Those not of the proper bloodline could not wield the power of magicthey are also the only faction who just does not believe that mass ascension is even possible at all and are only in the ascension war because they need to
>>97332608>concentrated in citiesThis is something that kind of snowballs out of control in things like V5 too with the way elder vampires need to drain like 3 normies bone dry before they get their fix. Though yeah, it is kind of a weird thing.
>>97331845Order of Hermes is the reason the Technocracy even exists
>>97332608>Funnily enough, if I remember correctly, someone did the math before, and do to how old Baba Yaga is, her assassin would have been a vampire longer than Absimiliard.you don't even need to do much math antes are between 10 and 12 thousand years old exception being Set who is consistently said to be 7 thousand even by the setitesbaba yaga is also 7 thousand years old and Vasilisa is said to be twice as old meaning s/he is two thousand years older than the first city which... to be fair Vasilisa was also said to have outgrown the very concept of disciplines something which if taken at face value puts her above caine let alone the antediluvians
I'm thinking of running a high level spy crossover with some VtR players. They are focusing on social skills like Dominate and Majesty but don't want to make it too easy for them. I thought of adding a Natasha Romanoff type spy who is secretly working for the government and pretending to be a ghoul while secretly trying to expose the masquerade and eliminate some vampires. She is meant to play double agent while the players don't realize she's a mole.What would be a good splat to do it? I'm thinking Task Force Valkyrie but I'm not sure if there's a better option specialized on vampire hunting.And what should her stats be to be a proper challenge to the vampires?I find the problem being that TFV is too focused on combat and not enough in vampire politics.
>>97332643It's kind of hilarious that the verbena are possibly the only tradition with an objectively incorrect paradigm. Between them and the black furies, one of the writers must have Really hated feminists.
>>97332901both factions written by the goat fucker and both his favorite factions
>>97332800Cherion Group could be a better fit
>>97332918Those were by the goat fucker? Based. That guy's a real gooner.
>>97332918>Writes his favorite faction so poorly it comes off like a seething parodyHow is that even possible?
>>97333073Someone was really into girlfailures
>>97333073as the kids say these days "Skill issue"
>>97332901It's simultaneously objectively incorrect and a lot closer to the actual truth than most other paradigms. Before the Shattering, humanity was enlightened and divine, with Lilith being one of the greatest among them, but humanity buckled under its own ascendancy and shattered into the myriad unenlightened sleepers of today. Despite this, there are some humans who awaken to their potential and tap into the divinity of mankind, who can all trace their ancestry back to Adam, the first man.So there were enlightened human progenitors and everyone who wields magic are descended from them, if only because all of humanity were once divine demigods before the Shattering. This divinity is inherent in the human condition rather than being bound to a specific bloodline and that's the only real thing that the Verbena are objectively wrong about. They're much closer to the truth than basically every other tradition.
>>97333134Noddist cope
>>97333134Lilith was a whore for Lucifer & his Thrall, she had socerery/witchcraft & demon lore, she wasn't awakened, Adam was the first mage
>>97333212>>97333156Like it or not, the Verbena have some awareness of the true history of humanity, warped by ten thousands of years between then and now. Dismissing them as retards because they get some details wrong misses the forest for the trees.
>>97333134>Lilith being one of the greatest among themAs far as magical power sure, but she wasn't very enlightened or self-reflective.Even the book of lilith paints her as every stereotype of a crazy Ex incapable of ever taking accountability for her own actions, and consistently fucks herself over because of it..
>>97333238You see... there's truth and then there's The Truth. They know the wrong one.
>>97333238I'm not talking about Verbena. I'm talking about that bitch lillith
>>97333351What is true and what is not doesn't really matter in a consensus-based reality but for the little that it is worth, the Verbena are closer to what actually did happen than anyone else. It's undeniable.
>>97333401I deny it
>>97333134as of revised the verbena who however believe that lilith existed at all are in the miniority the writing more implies that these guys confuse ancient archmage gods with werewolf and true fae lore somehow and assume that the shattering happened before the ancient greek area
>>97327651MRH wrote this list for Chicago/Gary in 1e>Old tattered billboards>Run down>Beyond hope, total despair>Rust -- Rust Belt>Steel mills, factories>Pollution>Chain-link fences>Poverty stricken, deteriorating streets>Abandoned houses>Lake Michigan>Run down harbor>Container ships>Gothic Cathedral, amidst the ruins>Squalor and lethargy>Empty warehouses>Pool halls>Uncompleted urban renewal projects>Abandoned urban renewal projects>Burnt out street lights>Greed>Drugs>Gangs>Graffiti>Projects>Abandoned stores>Unemployment>Opulence and decadence>Zombie people>Aging, decaying mansions>Filth choked rivers
Is there a better "make people horny" discipline power than Presence 1?
>>97333579Path of Pleasure Infernal sorcery, the bastet orgy gift, and I think there's a mummy hekau for instant horny.
>>97333565Now we just need to make a version for the modern day. Hard mode, no politics allowed.
Chronicles of FagnessAlso, what's the best edition of VtM?
>>97333652>Bastet orgy giftFera really get to run around>>97333693Double the amount of Fent zombies, Urban renewal projects uncompleted and abandoned already happens everywhere, I'd say if you wanted to add a modern twist to the more gothic the urban transportation should be shit, run down buses, taxis replaced by Ubers, Pentex drones and trucks doing deliveries all over the sky and the place (more subtle than straight up naming it), more than a few plots about a land grab by a major corporation and homes in disrepair.
>>97333730>Fera really get to run aroundBastet are the superior fera.
>>97333652>bastet orgy giftQrd? Asking for a friend haha
>>97333579Thaumaturgy
>>97333808Which path/ritual?
>>97333796>Asking for a friend hahaBastet Breed Book. "Madness of Crowds" level 5 gift.
>>97333790>>97333854Would you rather a Garou compel you to sex with their bullshit or get forced into an orgy by Bastet? Similarly, would you prefer getting Presence and domination spammed into vampire sex or getting horny'd by a Mummy or Sorcerer?
>>97333923Of course the bastet are sexier and more desirable. Garou are just glorified weredogs.
What could be the mechanics to make IT into a low clarity Lost? What type of Contracts or Tokens should IT have?
>>97333923>Would you rather a Garou compel you to sex with their bullshitDidn't know the dogs had sex magic>or get forced into an orgy by Bastet?Entirely depends on the male to female ratio & if I can force me to do gay shit>Similarly, would you prefer getting Presence and domination spammed into vampire sexVampires would all bite each other & start a sex-murder frenzy at best>or getting horny'd by a Mummy or Sorcerer?I'd sex a sexy mummy girl until I dessicated myself into a mummy
>>97334003You need a "make kids have an orgy" contract.
>>97334046Wasn't that the turtle rather than the clown?
>>97324806Map >>97324446 says I live in the neck of the Oradea league. I imagine political upheaval following the collapse of communism in 89, mostly fighting between the Sabbat starting shit and the Old Clan telling them to get off their fucking lawn. I think there's an angle for foreign would-be Camarilla princes to try and insert themselves into the general chaos, both to claim territory where they can shape the court from the ground up and to indulge in more disgusting vices that couldn't be hidden as easily in a stable society. Back then we had foreigners coming over to do anything from normal sex tourism to buying children (ever watched Black Lagoon?), so I imagine lots of deranged licks would be interested in cheap blood dolls. I've been trying to come up with more detailed story ideas for this scenario (a prince comes in with a handful of handpicked ancillae, which would be the player party)
>>97334084Maybe, it's been so long I barely remember anything about the book.
>>97334099Go learn some koldun.
>>97334024>dogs have sex magicAt least three of them in fact>CoG rite to calm frenzy via sex in crinos>beautiful glabro>regular sex magic>forced to do gay shit by BastetYes and you are raped so you get no choice (sex magic)Fair on the rest, but you can't be willing else it isn't a real would you rather. Assume the sex magic is against your will.
>>97334099Damn, Vampire Black Lagoon sounds like a kino idea. Will there be nazis involved?
>>97333823Handful of different ritualsPath of CorruptionPath Vine of Dionysius
>>97331329>When trying to determine the state of the world and the current state of affairs for vampires, do you extrapolate from V20, or do you go all the way back to Revised and extrapolate from its metaplot?Neither. V20 makes very few definitive statements until the abomination known as Beckett's Jyhad Diary, and the Revised Metaplot is godawful. Start to finish shitshow of questionable choices, overpowered yet underwitted OCs being smashed together like action figures while PCs sit in the cuck chair and watch, all building up to an apocalypse that couldn't possibly deliver. Not to say the entire edition of Revised was a waste, but the metaplot? Ick. Cut the whole thing out. I like to look at official lore as a guideline at best. You obviously need certain things to be going on, but I'll rewrite entire regions of the globe to fit my liking if I want. What I think matters most when updating your VTM to current year is simple, foundational principles. What are Vampires? Broadly? Unliving ageless social predators staving off their darkest predatory instincts and the ennui that comes from their existences. What they need primarily is human blood, and how they usually get it is by hiding in plain sight, and by subverting mortals and their institutions to benefit them. Which led me to a conclusion very contradictory to the sw*des. Things have gotten better for vampires by in large. Your staid, heavyweight elders already managed to survive the fuckin' industrial revolution. Modern information tech is definitely a doozy but to think it would break people who have kept their heads above water when they started out before the printing press? It's a little hubristic. Junk data, low social cohesion, growing distrust in authority figures, these things all benefit the Masquerade immensely. At the same time, in an age where humans find themselves struggling to build meaningful relationships with each other, it becomes even harder for the Kindred. That kind of stuff.
>>97334115What's regular sex magic?No to Baset orgy thenNo to wolf magicNo to anything but boning hot MILFS (mummy I'd like to fuck)
>>97334121An extremely unstable third world country where the ruling ideology just went up in flames is ripe for extremism.
>>97334151Werewolves have a different gift entirely to get you horny and willing to fuck, though it isn't an orgy. That's the regular sex magic.
>>97334168>to get you horny and willing to fuckLmao, imagine fucking a dog. Fomors...now THAT'S a proper fuck
What is known about the Order of the Bitter Ashes and what happened to them?
>>97334179Well, it's against you will. 9/10 times the Fomori are going to be fucking you against your will too nevermind with apparently unholy abominations for parts that give even Garou PTSD.
What is the biggest example in WoD of a group that lost forever until the right leader came around?>>97334099Sounds neat, might steal this for a game.
>>97334199But what if I want to get fucked by a fomor? That's right, I'm into some freaky shit.
>>97334227
>>97334193>What is known about the Order of the Bitter Ashespretty much what the ashen knight book writes they are the knight order of the collectors that became knights after being thrown out of the middle eat by either the euthanos or true black hand and took the holy grail with themreally like the Path of Chivalry and collecting trinkets>and what happened to them?heavily implied that they going to get wiped out by the Knights of the Temple of Solomon because they been allies in the past + they have a prophesy that they are going to meet again and they assume that the knight templars will also remember them foundly as allies, but had major beef with goratrix in france and are soon going to join the newly created order of reason so they are not at all in the mood of entertaining vampiresat least one of their grail knights is however still around in the final nights
>>97334179True. Ugly bastards are clearly fomor.
What were the Lasombra and Ventrue like in the Dark Ages? Were the Lasombra already as psychopathic as they'd become, or was that a post-Anarch revolt transformation like how the Ventrue would become CEOs?
>>97334227>>97334254Woe, NTR and incredibly nasty Fomor(i) sex be upon you. Just hope it isn't a sex toy Fomor.
>me when imperfect creatures start talking about procreation (I'm a drone)
