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Did the Jade Falcons gain anything from winning the Refusal War?
>>97325404They pretty much ended the warden movement , killed an ilkhan who was hostile to them and installed their own guy as Ilkhan. If Crichell had any restraint he could have been in a very good position.
>>97325390>Jade Falcon Top Gun More like gay amongst the Clans although I wouldn't mind seeing homoerotic Clanner beach volleyball to be honest.
>>97325466Yeah, but then he wouldn't be a Jade Falcon.
>>97325472There's a gay clanner in the novel Redemption Rites. Not a big deal, he's just at a new year's party with some twink on his lap and then gets interrupted.
>>97325404Would her bondsman be required to clean that paint spill with my I mean his tongue?
>>97325466The fact that Clan Wolf was even allowed to survive that shit was bullshit of the highest order.
>>97325472> homoerotic Clanner beach volleyballmake it Elementals and i'm down to clown with the birdboys
>>97325483I don't see what that has to do with being gay. Fucking femboys has never had anything to do with homosex. Being fucked by real men is literally why femboys exist.
>>97325543>Jade Falcon Elementals in bikinis playing beach volleyballI both want to see a drawfag take on this but would also be worried since they'd probably all be male.
>>97325593Twinks and femboys are different. Femboys are a bacterial colony passing as a human, while twinks are technically a species of deer. Hope this helps.
>>97325596Make it oiled up beefy men in tight speedos. Preferably with some nice chest hair.
>>97325529The whole thing is an interesting demonstration of how what passes for the clan legal system has vaporized on contact with the inner sphere. Sure if the writers had more courage it would have knocked both the falcons and wolves down to ice hellion tier, but you have to find enjoyment where you can.
Y'all motherfuckers need Blake.
>>97325605>while twinks are technically a species of deerAre you trying to summon /k/?
Suppose I want to paint SLDF scheme. Other than olive drab, what 2 other colors should I use, for tabletop standard?
>>97325654Black and yellow hazard stripes, plus silver details and red cockpit
>>97325654SLDF seems to have had these different camo schemes:>olive drab>white and gray with blue trim>gray and green>light tanSo pretty much look at American tank colors through the ages and steal liberally
>>97325654From camospecs there is a light tan variation and a gray and green described and the sources check out. There was a white and gray with blue trim described as well but I think that source is bullshit as I have never seen it when I've tried to look it up myself.
>>97325654Also forgot to ask, first or second SLDF?
>>97325654Scopedog colors, red shoulder non-optional
>>97325674>>97325692White and grey w/ blue trim would probably a dedicated winter camo, similar to pic related
>>97325674>>97325717White and grey with blue trim is still iffy, it's on camospecs, but "Canonized by CSO, 5-9-2012" is the only real reference. Usually it's interpreted as more of a jet livery kind of deal, with white and grey panels and blue edges or a few key panels. I would guess it's more of a parade scheme for specific units, or an academy scheme.
Whats a good BV limit for Jihad era 4v4 AI mech tourney.Trying to keep it low since playing around the lower BV is interesting but the era has a lot of nice toys.
>>973257886000 BV will get you a decent mix of mediums with some heavies and maybe an assault.
What book contains C-bill price for all weapons/engines etc?
>>97325509she's a tech, anon
>>97325466>They pretty much ended the warden movementNo they didn't, the Wardens fucked them over during the Great Refusal and killed the invasion for another 70 years.
>>97325786The white and grey with blue trim paintjob seems to be a SLDF holdover that only the Niops Association Militia used. My guess would be a parade/anniversary scheme that got adopted as a throwback to the SLDF. Would be like Finland adopted this camo scheme as a standard camo for their modern jets as a throwback to the Swedish Empire.
>>97325596>would also be worried since they'd probably all be male.I mean I'm not against it, let them have their Beefcake.>>97325651Or at the very least, Brainrot?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf8EruNfZ64>>97325922I mean it IS a sick paint scheme...
>>97325922>paint scheme called "Black Knight" Yeah that's going on my next BL-9-KNT i paint up.
Where can I read more about the kinds of nukes that sterilized Circinius?
>>973257051st
>>97326037I don't believe there are any specific rules for cobalt-laced nukes, only regular ones.
>>97325893The outcome of the great refusal had way more to do with the smoke jags being extremely unpleasant neighbors than any warden/crusader split.
>>97325922Amaris Dragoons is that you
>>97326128It fits. The Nordics are the good guys of the world. Amaris is the good guy of the setting.
New plan for a mercenary force. An idol group that uses mechs in combat similar to the Killer Bunny Commandos from Heavy Gear if anyone's familiar with that, conceived by an exec to promote the DCMS and various mech manufacturers (and rake in sponsorship and state funding). The unit and their recording crew around tag along with various units of the DCMS to take part in action and show off the honor of serving the dragon. At least they did, after the first holovid season the ministry of war would decide the show was against the values of the draconis combine and pull funding. So these days they're more or less stuck following one unit (which will probably be the ALAG) since they can neither afford cross combine trips nor have the political power to attach themselves to a new unit. On the bright side they still have a small but dedicated following and a hunchback from the Nissan sponsorship
>>97326290Equal parts idol group and failed reality show is actually a pretty fun premise.
>>97326290Someone's been reading Achillies Shieldmaidenshttps://www.thepullbox.com/2021/09/preview-achilles-shieldmaidens/I approve
>>97326290Wasn't there a merc company that was essentially formed from a in-universe MechWarrior docu-drama crew gone rogue, mechs and all?
>>97326370Greenburg's Godzillas.iirc, there's also one who regularly dress up their mechs to do practical effects for movies and shows.
>>97326370Greenburg's Godzillas!
>>97325795Thats what I was thinking, 5k or 6k upper limit.At the same time I was thinking of a persistent tourney, in only the facet of pilot deaths or mech loss. Which sounds like a lot of fun but at the same time makes it favor less fun builds.That said who would be interested in making a lance for this hypothetical AI tournament.
>>97322922The "no heavy armour" term is in reference to the armour type known as "Hardened Armour". I've been tired all day and my minds mush.
>>97326341I had no idea this was a thing but I'll have to read it.
>>97326507I think it's still free to grab on his patreon without signing up.
>>97325630Couldn't resist. Yeah it's slop, but i can't draw a for love not money.
>>97326290How would idol business work without spess youtube or spotify?
>>97326594And a femEmelental for good taste. I do not support clanners but i would be down to clown with an elemental of any gender.
>>97326621Live old VHS imports in the 80s: copies of copies being distributed by couriers, some regions getting badly translated subtitles or really cringe voice-over dubs, local spin-offs being made from various misunderstood story arcs butchered by censorship and/or missing episodes, etc etc
>>97326631I always imagined that a lot of shows are simply reshot locally from scripts since those are very cheap to transmit while actual copies require a ship to deliver them or an eye wateringly high transmission fee has to be paid to Comstar. Buying the license to a shows script and then using local actors could be cheaper and easier.
>>97326657>lot of shows are simply reshot locally from scripts There would probably be several hundred versions of Power Rangers-esque shows based on one show reshot with mostly local actors but using short clips form the original series
>>97326070Damn. Do we know if they were in the gigaton range?
>>97326696There were custom-yield rules, so you could build your own gigatonners, if you wanted.- Herb
>>97326657When you put it that way that makes some sense, but I think you could also see a lot of traders carrying around big libraries of new productions via jump ship, selling the rights and copies of the masters to individual planets in system.It also puts a funny spin on what it means to be a pirate in the Inner Sphere; where grabbing years of seasons of an official production could be a job achieved by battlemech.
>>97326657>>97326683Would kuritans have a different anime animation team in each military district all working off the same notes/manga?
>>97326696iirc, they had a lot of pocket warships and a few actual warships, so most likely Type III and IV warheads in the 50 to 500 kiloton range. The biggest in regular use are AMWs and are a few megatons, but I don't know if the Regulans had any of the euphemistically named Asset Management Weapons.
>>97326725Yeah, but I want to get an idea on what nukes were considered best for planetary "sterilization"
>>97326770Damn, I was hoping for another Old Kentucky.
>>97326857Nope, just Santa Anas and Peacemakers. And maybe AMWs. Turns out the FWL is actually the most innovative with their nukes.
>>97326594>>97326623well at least its not LAM spam
>>97326754>It also puts a funny spin on what it means to be a pirate in the Inner Sphere; where grabbing years of seasons of an official production could be a job achieved by battlemech.YOU CAN'T STOP THE SIGNAL!
>On the head-up display and on every secondary monitor, an animated woman—or child maybe?—took over and performed a dance with her hands above her ears, mimicking a cat. Claudio spoke little Japanese, but he recognized enough words as the BattleMech’s diagnostic-interface computer literally thanking him for turning the ’Mech on. The air circulators ceased pumping a flowery perfume through the cockpit, though the concentration was enough to make him gag, to the point of needing to throw the power switch back to full shutdown and yanking himself out onto the scissor lift.Why the hell is this canon>>97326486
>>97326631Oh Blake. Power Rangers, Voltron, freaking Robotech...
>>97327041you could have just asked.
>>97327041
>>97327041See?
LAMentations of the haters
Only good LAM is the Urbie LAM, fite me
>>97327185I genuinely like the design of the Screamer, shame it was a one off.
>converts to airtank mode>crashes
>>97327248>>97327127>>97327117>>97327088Posting something less gay than LAMs
Look at him go, 600 years after first escaping containment.
Light Binary Lasers in CBT when
I thought the M42B was just another autorifle that maybe fired fast, but it does as much damage as a fucking support machinegun. What the fuck did the FedSuns load in that thing that it's doing as much damage as a Zeus rifle.
https://battletech.com/playtest-battletech/
>>97327849I don't see the point without dazzle mode. And even with dazzle mode, plain old medium lasers are completely busted so there's not a whole lot of point in LBlazers.
>>97325654
>>97327914
>>97327884Fiat
>>97327961https://www.warhammer.com/
>>97327993>>97327961
>>97325483>>97325593>>97325605Clanners definitely strike me as "a hole is a hole"-type folks.
>>97327914It seems like my feedback might make it into the rulebook
>>97328302Which one
>>97327914I just noticed they used spooky777 re-imagined cover art for these.
>>97328302In that case you share the blame for ruining Battletech forever. Kill yourself.
>>97327088>>97327117>>97327127It's odd that they got rid of the double cockpit issue for the Wasp and Stinger LAMs (Wasp's head seems somewhat elongated compared to the standard mech's so its windows line up where the plane's cockpit canopy should be, while the Stinger just has the nose cone swing up to be in from of the mech's head), but the Pixie LAM still has a separate cockpit in the ASF/Airmech mode.
>>97328419I really hope they make a LAM lance pack. or even better a LAM star / level II pack. i want at least one of every LAM... and possibly multiples of the Phawk. because the large laser is clearly SLUNG on the 'back' or 'over the shoulder' as it transforms, and that is just the coolest shit ever, because it means the large laser actually IS in a 'rifle' form
>>97328471>>97328419And I hope you both burn to death. LAMs don't belong in the game and neither do their faggot fans.
>>97328518Calm down Herb!
If you want a custom run of a single chasis skeleton, how hard is it to get that done? If its endo steel does it need to be in a n orbital facility or do they just make the steel in orbit and it can be machined anywhere? If I want a custom clan tech endo chassis when would I be able to get that work done as a spheroid? I know rules wise a 300 rated engine is a 300 rated engine but in the fluff can you swap a SFE from like an Atlas to a Marauder?
>>97328419The head = cockpit thing is frequently totally ignored anyway, and many of even the earliest designs didn't have it because macross didn't do it. They even made it clear that they look through 360 cameras anyway, so why the fuck is everyone sitting on the very top of the mech in a big superglass-but still weaker than armor cage?Unfortunately heads being cockpit+weakspot is hardcoded into the rules. Adding torso cockpits into the rules just made it worse because now you've clarified they only learn to do it later when they're clearly doing it other times anyway. Ruined any vagueness.Dougram did it so that's just how it goes now. Many such cases!
>>97328518keep sucking dicks, you degenerate faggot
>>97328471>a LAM lance packA LAMce pack if you will
>>97328727>More like a LAME Lance amirite?
>>97328471It wont be a lance pack, just a LAM pack with all three modes. If they even do it. Its a pretty niche product. Would be better off leaving it to IWM imo.
Megamek lets you use composite structure with LAMS is that legal? I thought all weight savings tech was verbotin?
>>97328783>Though the Composite Structure remains an Experimental Technology and restricted to BattleMechs and their subtypes, several combat units have taken advantage of its combination of light weight and lack of bulk to add additional weapons and equipment. For example, it can be used to great effect on Land-Air 'Mechs, which are prohibited from using Endo Steel.[3]It's pretty explicitly the intent going off Interstellar Operations. Plus iirc the rule is advanced tech that take up crit slots, which Composite doesn't.
>read old LAM writing>LAMs are good, actually>read awkward unpopular "herb" middle era LAM writing>THEY SUCK, YOU LOSE IF YOU BRING THEM, THEY DON'T WORK, NO ONE LIKES THEM, THEY ALL BLEW UP>read modern LAM writing>LAMs are good, actually
Reminder
If you bring LAMs your opponent is contractually obligated to kick you in the nuts att full force. Just a PSA, folks.
>>97328931I dont have an opponent. I have a GM and the three other dudes in my merc outfit. Do you play the game?
>>97328924Not canon Neck yourself
I find it endlessly amusing that LAMS piss Manic off.
>>97328953Considering he kicks people in the nuts over any slight, no he does not.
>>97328978I'm not even sure this is the actual Manic, his hallmark is those RANDOM CAPITAL WORDS and mass replying to a dozen people at a time.
>>97329028wrong. that would be ME.manic is indentified by his raging homococklust for bottom and CGL shilling and worshipping, and his hatred of any actual discussion on-topic or battletech discussion in general. boh and he also hates all the actual namefags who used to show up here often and contribute actual content etc.remember, manic et al was so vile and retarded, ban evading faggot that he made warship anon, lamfag, nea all fuckoff and never come back.
>>97329161>lying this much for attention
The rules prevent you from putting an infantry bay in a mech. Gay. Guess my jump infantry can just get mag harnesses and clamp on to the outside then.
Time to 3d print LAMs for every battletech player I know. I could sell them in a pack too, I suppose.
Can someone explain me new ammo explosion damage cap? I have 3 tons of ammo in my left torso, one of them explodes after being hit, and my the torso survives 20 damage. All other ammo also explodes, or it's fine? Do I roll another crit after receiving 20 damage?
>>97329243yes! lets have threads full of painted lams
>>97329284Okay so based on my understanding of both TW and the playtest packet, when an ammo bin goes off, only the ammo bin hit blows; however it is an automatic internal structure hit, so you roll a critical hit from it. This is how you get chain-reactions in ammo cooking off.Now, if you hit another bin with that, I believe it will explode with a second blast up to the 20/10/1 cap (note that CASE II may negate a critical hit from an exploding bin/component on a roll of 8+). If you do not have CASE and a second bin cooks off, that location is almost certainly 100% toast unless you have Reinforced Structure and it will be transfering. If you do have CASE however, a side torso on an 100 ton battlemech will barely hang on from a chain reaction of two 10pt bin explosions; most anything smaller than that is saying goodbye to the location.
>>97328978???I don't have anything against LAMs.Hell, I was one of the people here arguing about the usefulness of their niche unit type.>>97329174What's with this uptick in slander anyways?
>>97329445Sounds about right, but I'm not sure CASE will work for a second explosion.
>>97329235You should at least be able to put the bays in a quad mech. Give them something to make them a bit more interesting. Also so I can build my AT-AT, you fucking catalyst queefs.
>>97329617CASE should have been implemented as a quarter ton add on to an ammo bin.
Is there such a thing as a "common" Warship by ilClan?
>>97329801No. WarShip numbers have been decaying since the Jihad.
Why is Snow Raven having Warships such a big deal when the whole point of Pocket Warships was for them to be a cheaper alternative that Great Houses can use fleets of to completely fuck conventional Warships? Like, what was even the point of introducing Pocket Warships if they ultimately don't matter?
Gifting someone the AGoAC box but I also want to include a star of Clan mechs. What would you say would be 5 of the most iconic 3050 Clan mechs? I’ll be painting them up as Clan Wolf if that helps/matters. So far I’m thinking: Timber WolfStorm CrowSummonerHellbringerDire Wolf
>>97330009I'd definitely say Nova over Storm Crow for medium. Adder or Fire Moth are good picks for a light, they're both instantly recognisable I think. More so than the Hellbringer. Plus it makes for a more balanced force. Can't argue with Timber Wolf and Dire Wolf for the heavy and assault.I'd be tempted to goAdderNovaTimber WolfDire WolfElementals.
>>97329801The writers dont want warships to exist anymore, but they cant be completely written out or people will be angry, so theres always one or two technically out there, but they will never feature in Canon again.
>>97329888Poor Ravens. Forever saddled with the forbidden job role.
>>97330097>but they will never feature in Canon again.They literally just warcrimed the Capellans with one.
>Warships in BattletechSimilar status to WH40K novels, ignored until the plot needs them lol
>>97330135Which makes no sense since like>>97329888 touched on, Great Houses should have fleets of Pocket Warships to counter with. The Snow Ravens nuking Sian makes no fucking sense.
I just like the mad dog
>>97330264Personally I think the more "realistic" ones like that are a sort of uncanny valley. It feels more like something that could actually exist, except it doesn't. If you have something like a neurohelmet that justifies making it able to walk at all, why not make it as humanoid as possible? Something that's just a bunch of guns and missile launchers would be better off being a tank.
>>97330352Nah, the neurohelmet is pretty much just used to tell whether the mech is tilting forwards because the pilot is walking forwards deliberately or tilting forwards because it took a cannon hit to the back. It's only needed to decide when to cut in the gyro, so it's not a big deal that the mech look humanoid.
>>97329284The standard rules still seem to apply (that would be an enormous change if not, and surely mentioned). So you've taken internal structure damage and need to roll for new crits, just as you would now.
Fighting pirates. Somehow they have a Hydapses. It lawndarts. If my FedCom "allies" artillery dont make it a crater thats gonna be one hell of a come up for my Aero lance.
>>97330182>but muh robots>cant let anything obsolete muh robotsIts like they think that the existence of aircraft obsoletes the tank or something. Two things can exist in the same military.
>>97330135This will be the excuse to remove the Raven naval arm, because God forbid anything happen to our precious yellow babies, they're so oppressed dont you know?
>>97330685>God forbid anything happen to our precious yellow babies, they're so oppressed dont you know?If this was true, Sian never would have been Ortilleried.
Capellans deserve less. Whoever the current chancellor is they need to be raped, preferably by BJFC
>>97330264Its a lot better taste than most. I just hate all the Mad Cat fags.
>>97330210Every pocket warship cost time and money and fleet assets can't take and hold ground planetside. Every ship you build is another mech not built and most people are not orbitally bombarding planets into glass anymore. So the only reason you're building ships is to counter your neighbors ships and if they aren't building them, why should you waste your money?
>>97330915Because the Ravens just orbitally assassinated a High Lord.
>>97330930And that'll probably get people building them again (especially the Cappies). But to answer your question, that's why the Ravens were able to bombard Sian. Beacause even post-Jihad, no one in the IS is waltzing around with a naval deathball, so no one is building warships or even pocket warships. Then the Ravens show up with the USS Thundercocks and waltz right in the front door more or less unchallenged.
>>97330996>more or less unchallengedThis still makes zero sense. I mean its the capital world. Where are all the Aero wings with nukes? Shouldn't some sort of attempt been made?
>>97330915ground assets won't be any good if you can't even land them and/or if you can't reinforce them or pull them out
>>97330764>>97330996>>97331036It wasn't Sian. It was Liao the planet
finished up my mercs for Scouring Sands
The reasons that orbital bombardment isn't common in Battletech universe anymore are because the great houses would use this tool to solve the clan issue forever, the smoke jaguar was BTFO'd beyond recovery and only returned because the writers backpedaled after such thing
>>97330930Capellans arent people, much less high lords.
>>97331133Then what about when they did the same shit to the First Prince?Reminder, Operation Sunshower was the exact same shit that Alaric did to become ilClan, but Caleb was branded a retard while Alaric is a genius. The lesson is, don't cheat on your Khanfu.
If I am looking at stuff in the salvage list and I see an ASF with zero SI. That means I can scrap it for parts, but she won't fly again?
>>97331192You got it, anon. Just like losing a CT in a mech.
>>97331219Damn shame. It looked like a fucking monster. It was flyable when it crashed, but the feddies just kept shelling the ever loving fuck out of it.
>>97330685The Capellan Confederation is NOT only Chinese, it is a union of many different cultures and backgrounds, all united under the Celestial Wisdom’s guiding hand. Xin Sheng!
>>97331230Shame they didn't go full commie panic. I only dig maximum over weeb yellow panic. This mustachioed Confucianism horror they have constructed doesn't vibe with me.
So this fighter had a clan 285 rated xl engine, but it has (95) notated on it. Can I only shove this in another 95 ton unit?
>>97331339If you look at the old VEST stuff, you can tune an engine like 10 up or down. That's the range. If you want to be full standard swap, then only what a 285 fits neatly into (think about how a spider and awesome use the same engine). If you want to be full CGL retard with CBills attached, then only a 95 tonner of the same tech base.That is all.
>>97331339Basically, yes. 285 isn't divisible by any other multiple of 5, so it's only useful for 95 ton units. Keep an eye out for a Banshee or Sagittaire
>>97331339You would have to use frankenmech rules for mismatched engines, which is a stretch since that engine came from a unit that is not a mech and the rules only describe taking things from mechs.
>>97331281Capellans are called commies but they've actually been fascist the whole time. Their founders name was even Franco. But political literacy is at an all time low right now, so whatever.
>>97331356>Keep an eye out for a BansheeYour proposal is acceptable.>>97331353>If you want to be full CGL retard with CBills attached, then only a 95 tonner of the same tech base.Nah fuck that. I am concerned about an ASF engine into a mech though.>>97331358>You would have to use frankenmech rules for mismatched enginesI just thought it weird it couldnt go in another tonnage. Thers like a million things running on a vlar 300.
>>97331358And for anyone who doesn't know how that works, you simply add the engine as it is, but round its performance down to the act as the nearest whole interger. So if you put that engine in a 50 ton unit, it would act like a 250 rated engine. If you put it in a 100 ton unit, it would act like a 200 rated engine. Still weigh the same as a 285 though. Probably still worth it for a clan XL.
>>97331375That's because 300 is divisible by 20, 25, 30, 50, 60, 75, 100, and 150, so all those masses can use a 300 rated engine.
>>97331396Fucking math, how does it work.
Is there a comprehensive list of engines produced? Especially star league XL engines.
>>97331414Take the numbers 20-100 in increments of 5, and multiply them until you reach 400
>>97331078>>97331084>>97331086These are very nice, well done
>>97331414The only engine you really need is a Pitban 240.
>>97331426I mean, I don't think Star League produced Urbanmech sized XL engines. Or lore wise, every size has XL variant that was used off-screen for industrial purposes etc?
>>97331183I still don't get the SUNSHOWER and MANDRAGORA, and how do they relate to what Alaric pulled
>>97331674>Me collect all my forces to take objective.Haha, he retarded and get orbitally bombarded.>Me collect all my forces to take objective.HE GENIUS! Win ilClan!
Shot down a Stingray. Pilot ejects. Feddies begin calling in a fire mission.>Arewethebaddies.jpg
>>97331733Stingray is one of the best 3025 fighters. Shame.
>>97331430Thanks! The orange was kind of a pain but worth it.
So, is it fine to replace the mech's Pitban 240 with Nissan 240, or shove Vlar 300 in as long as the weight permits?
>>97331078Isn't that the default colors for the player's unit in HBS Battletech?
>>97331747No idea how good it is. But those forward swept wings are very aesthetic.
>>97331759Yes, as long as you make the repair rolls.
>>97331764I think House Arano is red and gold rather than orange and green?
>>97331764It's a Solaris Stables scheme. Bromely IIRC.
What is your favorite clan mech that isn't represented that often?Least favorite?
>>97331868Def was not my intention — also what may look gray in the pics is actually a light (sage?) green
>>97331881Hate to tell you dude, but I got sage bushes in my yard and they have way higher chroma than that.
>>97331915I avoided a more vibrant green to keep them from looking too much like pumpkins haha
>>97331870>What is your favorite clan mech that isn't represented that often?Flamberge 3>Least favorite?Bane 3
>>97331870>What is your favorite clan mech that isn't represented that often?Black Python>Least favorite?Executioner. I hate the stupid cat ears.
>>97332069>Black Python>Using a disgusting CGL retcon nameDisgusting.
And lo, the Archer did smite the unworthy, filling the skies with missiles,and the enemy did weep, for their ECM was weak.
>>97332095>missiles and ECM interactingsecondary detected
>>97332095holy reddit
>>97332101What is ARTIV?
>>97332101ECM blocks AIV, Narc, and C3, all of which missiles could benefit from.
>>97332106I know man, I will never understand this funko pop style anti culture
>>97331870>What is your favorite clan mech that isn't represented that often?I feel the Kingfisher doesn't get much love. >Least favorite?Warhammer IIC. Just covering it in pulse lasers feels sorta lazy.
>>97331870>FavoriteKarhu. My inner FRR loyalist really like this design. >Least favoriteCygnus. It looks way to blocky and industrial, like it would fit better in C&C Tiberium Sun than as a Clan battlemech
>>97332085you replied the exact same thing last time lolget new material, spheroid
Phoenix Hawk IIC2 Ultra AC/102 MGClanners explain yourselves.
>>97332192>Uses an MW2 background pic>20 years before the 3055 clan name retconsKek, faggot.
>>97332085Problem with calling it Viper is that it gets confused with the other, better known Clan mech also called Viper.
>>97332283you're almost as bad as the dudes in these threads who yell at people about their paint jobs
>>97332290Good thing the official names have never been the clan names, then. It's been Madcat (Faggotwolf) for over 30 years.
>>97332305But how bad compared to the OF cryvbabies that demanded their secondline clan names for over a decade even after the 3060 conversion of most clanners to IS names?
black or gunmetal for barrels and missile launcher plates?
>>97332365Gunmetal for barrels. Second unit colors for launcher plates.
>>97332365I've started doing solid colors for barrels and missile plates, actual combat vehicles tend to be fully painted.
>>97332348Can't you just appreciate that bit of lore? I don't get why it's a problem. Not like it's a retcon that removes anything it's just another fun little bit of clan weirdness.The Black Python is a CSV mech I would assume that means that most people talking about it would be HW clanners. That plus the confusion with the omnimech of the same name like this dude mentioned >>97332290 just seems like it would be the reasonable thing to do.You can pick and choose based on whats most appropriate. It makes more sense to call the Mad Cat that instead of the Timber Wolf for instance, yeah.
>>97332365>solid colors + nuln oil wash for launchers>light metal + nuln oil for gun barrels>3:1 lahmian medium/nazdreg yellow for barrels tips
>>97332389>Not like it's a retcon that removes anythingIt removes the clans folding into the way of the IS doing things and being corrupted in their culture which was a big fucking narrative Post-Tukayyid. Every last blister and actual piece of merchandise also used the IS names since 1991. Even my modern blisters and MUL say Thor II (Grand Summoner).
>>97327078Because Good Taste
I have salvaged a BLK-6-KNT. It will be refit with DHS and all the clan lasers I stripped of this Hydaspes. That is all.
>>97332424>removes the clans folding into the way of the IS doing things and being corrupted in their culture>Every last blister and actual piece of merchandise also used the IS names since 1991what are you even talking about you reactionary schitzo?Is it about spheroid culture or is it about what is printed on the box?Are you just confused that I'm speaking from a HW clanner perspective?
>>97332495Reactionary is the people going against the norm which are ones who rioted for those clan secondary names in the first place. Homeworld nobodies deserve no respect or perspective. The IS OZ Clans got IS namified within 10 years of showing up. There's no reason to give any credence to any of those fucking names, especially the secondline ones not granted for 20 IRL years after the fucking battle of Luthien.
Chat what is a HW clanner? I don't recognize that clan abbreviation. Horny Wolf? Hate Whale? Honorary Wolverine?
>>97332516Homeworlders. Klusterfuckers. Homeworld Nobodies. Etc.
>>97332521>Homeworlders.The fuck is that?
>>97332085>>Black PythonDang ol' CGL, retconning that name for it into the Vipers first appearance back in 1992. The bastards.
What if the shadow hawk 2K had a SRM4 instead of LRM5?
>>97332511again i think the Black Python is probably one of the only cases where I'd disagree where its IS name is the name of another popular clan mech.I don't man. Do you call the Star Adder the Blood Asp?Just seems like you're going out of your way to split hairs.
>>97332527You know the plurality of clans that had no presence in the Invasion and never left the Kerensky Cluster and the Pentagon Worlds? Those poor bastards.
>>97332556What if You take a SHAD-2H and rip out everything but the ML. Put a LL where the AC was and add a ML to an arm. Then add 5 SRM2s and two tons of ammo. One inferno and one Tandem Charge.
>>97332572Again, you're not using the IS Dragonfly name. It's super easy to differentiate.
>>97332582What is this nulore? What kind of clanner sits out on finishing Kerenskys vision and restoring the Star League? I can't believe a clan could be so cucked. I refuse to believe these so called Homeworld Clans exist.
>>97332611If only Blake willed it so...
>>973325912Ht?
>>97332611Everything that happened after the Jihad is actually a lie. The Republic, Dark Age, ilclan, all of it! What really happened is that the Word of Blake won and brought true peace and enlightenment finally to the Inner Sphere. Prove me wrong!
>>97332659I dont see no streaks.
>>97332673
>>97332673Blakists arnt real thats Stoner propaganda.
>>97332478You'll have one great mech anon.
>>97332683Mean it wouldn't be a major refit. Downgrade the streaks to SRM2's and after that ammo you got an extra 1.5 tons to play that you can dump into armor?
>>97332705>1.5 tons to play that you can dump into armorThats probably what I did. I kept it 5/8/3 but someone less retarded could make it 5/8/5.
It's 3057. Pirate hunting contract. The pirates have a Ryoken Prime. I'm fighting Comstar arn't I.
>>97332997
>>97332997>Pirates who somehow captured a frontline clan omnimechYou're fighting a protagonist. You're just a one off enemy in his story. Boutta get rolled over.
>>97325390I haven't been following Battletech in a while. Has the Combine fully adopted hyper entropic warfare yet?
>>97333106No. Fuck off and stop trying to inject modern ideas into Battletech
If a mechs pilot gets knocked out and a BA squad gets the headshot that kills it dead. How do I determine which soldier is no longer dispossessed?
>>97333141CO assigns it to the best pilot, or to his favorite.You could make them compete in elaborate Survivor-esque carnival games for the gig.
>>97333063>laughs in clan omnimech command lance
>>97333171All that means is the pirate is gonna have more clan tech at the end of the day
>>97333177That is the pirate.
>>97333177That's how all the good battletech novels go. Start with a little and smartly leverage that until you have a lot.
>>97332516Hot Waffles
>>97331870The only good clanner is a dead clannerThat being said, favorite is kit fox. Least fav is the blood asp.
>>97333063You may be on to something. I have rolled the maion pirate opfor and left ony a single recon pirate and half there ASF cover alive. The pirate reinforcements including that Ryoken have just arrived from the south threatening an unsupported Black Knight. I am going to have to really book it to him or that Knight is gonna have a "bad time".
>>97333132You haven't heard of the glories of Hyper-entropic warfare? https://battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=16178.0We have:>Mechs that can't shoot past six hexes and can't keep up with most Clan mechs post Jihad>A strategy based around winning hearts and minds, adopted by the faction that romanticizes Imperial Japan>Depends on hot dropping what are likely the most guarded infrastructure on a planet>No plan for extracting the presumably elite forces>Useless against the rest of the Sphere>Weird hard-on for absolute monarchy vs Clans>Relies on civilians in circulating videos of what are presumably elite Combine warriors getting brutalized by Solhama running around them>Spends 13 million C-Bills to get outclassed by Chargers
How would you split 3 tons of LB-X/20 ammo?
>>97333308Two tons of solid shot for punching holes, one ton of cluster for crit fishing in anything that survives.
>>97333324Normally this, but depends if i'm dealing with combined arms or not.
A Scorpion's Nest is getting spammed to death by masses of Scorpions, but would a Galleon rush be any harder to deal with? They're faster and can potentially do more damage if they're in range.
Recommendations on fast 3025 era vees?
>>97333464Galleon rushes are easily countered by building lots of fire ships and sticking Keeps and a Castle around your crucial sea access.
>>97333562Ayo hol up dat dont sound right. Shouldnt you be having star forts an shiet if Galleons be floating around with all dem dubloons?
>>97332611The Invasion Clans are the ones that won a Batchall to earn the honor of being the vanguard of the Clan Invasion. When they were stopped at Tukayyid, a few of the other Clans came down to the Inner Sphere in the wake of it, but not all of them. When the Great Refusal happened after the Tukayyid Truce expired, the remaining Clans regarded all the ones that did the Invasion, stuck in the Inner Sphere and started changing (ex. Ghost Bear combining with Rassalhauge) and then lost as becoming impure to Kerrensky's Vision.There was a big war to purge the other clans from the Cluster and Pentagon, and the Pro-Purge side forced out all the other clans. And that War of Reaving is the last we've heard of them as they went insular.
>>97333562I dunno, anon. I heard that fire ships are a meme
I just like the Manticore
>>97333592Realistically, clan society should have been annihilated after a contact with reality (aka Inner Sphere) And I'm not talking reformed and changed, literally cast shit, batchall etc would not extinct.
>>97333674>would not extinctWould not extinct how?!
>>97333592So the clanners who weren't good enough to invade declared the ones who invaded losers and kicked them out of their clubhouse. But didnt go make Kerensky's Star League? What kind of retardation is this?
>>97333684exist, sorry im eepy
>>97333692Hi Eepy, I'm Map Campaign Anon
>>97332611>nulore?Wasn't Field Manual: Warden Clans made during the FASA days?
>>97333171>Gets fucked up by a Goshawk
>>97333562Wololo
I just like the Battle Cobra.
>>97333896It's pretty cool, I've been wanting a mini of it.
>>97333896I like its vents, they make it look nice and distinct.I like the Crusader.
>>97333685At the time of the invasion, there were 10 Home Clans, and 7 Invading Clans.Clans Burrock, Fire Mandrill, Hell's Horses, Snow Raven, and Ice Hellion would go in towards the Inner Sphere while the Steel Vipers after being hammered on Tukayyid and then when the Clans were setting up the Occupation Zones returned to the Homeworld. Some of Hell's Horses stayed behind to form a new Clan Stone Lions.The salty-as-fuck Steel Vipers would then go on to become IlKhan reduce the Homeworld Clan count down to just 5, with only the Goliath Scorpions escaping absorption or annhilation, before the other 4 clans leftover went "Hey, you went into the Inner Sphere" and annihilated them too.The fighting functionally destroyed 2 of the 5 Pentagon Worlds, with a lot of damage in the Kerensky Cluster. So the remaining 4 Clans are a bit busy.If they were to try and invade for a new Star League, then their base of operations likely still needs repair. And they may be a bit busy because Goliath Scorpion went on to found the quite massive Scorpion Empire out in the Deep Peripiary by eating the Ummayid Caliphate, Nueva Castile, and the Hanseatic League.They're a bit closer than the Inner Sphere and have a bit more of an axe to grind against the remaining four.
>>97333920For me? It's gotta be this guy.
>>97333928>They're a bit closer than the Inner Sphere and have a bit more of an axe to grind against the remaining four.We will never live to see Escorpio Imperio pull itself up by its bootstraps and put paid to the Homeworld menace. I hate this timeline.
So what are the rules of thumb for having fast heavies with a reasonable loadout? Xls, TSM, and a supercharger? I want to go really fast with a heavy that isnt a joke and I seem to top out at 6/9.
>>97333971Why would you want CGL to write something when you could do a better job as fanfiction?
>>97331408When your various divisors include 2, 3 and 5, you're pretty much usable by anything that isnt a prime number
>>97333978Look at the Zeus 9T
>>97331870Viper gets not enough love for being the jump demon backshot monster that it is. Also love the new cockpit design, very wwii fighter plane
>>97333980Fair enough. Its probably better CGL never touches it again so I can have dreams of resurgent Society cells and the techno horrors they unleash.
>>97333324This but inverted. Every other gun in the game does single location damage already. Only lbxes do buckshot. 10 shotgun rounds, 5 slug rounds. Luv me accuracy bonus, simple as.
>>973339786/9 is about as fast as you can practically make a heavy, with the Grand Dragon and its 360 XL being the standard of comparison. You can increase speed with TSM or MASC and supercharger, but it's often a fool's errand.An XL engine and a supercharger but everything else standard gets you 28.5t to play with. TSM is weight free, so it's probably the better call. You're gonna be fast, so you'll probably be close to the enemy and want max armor, that's 13 tons, leaving you 15.5t. XL Gyro and Composite Structure get you another 5t.This gets you 20.5t to play with on a body that goes 6/9, or 7/11 with TSM online, and runs 14 if it uses both TSM and supercharger. That's probably the fastest heavy you'll get.
>>97333998>Viper gets not enough love for being the jump demon backshot monster that it is.Fuck that mech and fuck those that use it. The only bright spot in this is I have never seen a Viper driver smart enough to keep it out of kicking range when they can get a better bracket by risking that. Pro tip, don't let the spheroid mechs kick you.
>>97334017Truth. It lives only in rear arc, never in front.
>>97334014>This gets you 20.5t to play with on a body that goes 6/9, or 7/11 with TSM online, and runs 14 if it uses both TSM and supercharger. That's probably the fastest heavy you'll get.Thats faster than me, but I was building a 75 ton mech. 7/11/14 sounds nicer than 6/9/12. 24pt hatchet vs a 30 point hatchet seems to be mostly a wash. I'll see if there are any 60 ton chassis I like. I'm not much of a Dragon fan.
>>97334038Ostsol or Ostroc could work, they're already fast heavies, you're just making them faster.
Post helm upgrades of suddession wars downgrades is a very under-utilized market. Like the thug 10E or Black Knight 7, surely somebody still had them in inventory and would want to bring them as close to spec as the endo steel versions right? Or maybe you have a lancelot 2 and can't afford to send it to the factory for a new engine
>>97334044Yes, but it's probably not been documented in TROs as it happens on a more ad-hoc basis.Remember, TROs are in-universe documents and only track stuff notable enough to be worth publishing info about.
>>97334042Ok that'll work. That shit is mostly up an Ostsol's ally anyway. Putting an axe on one is kinda weird though. May just have it punch only.
>>97333978Grand Dragon, Ninja-To, Lancelot
>>97334049XTRO: Weird things we found in hangers
>>97334044I literally am doing that by myself as custom jobs in my merc campaign. Starting in 3049 and up to 3057. I have an overhauled Thug specifically that probably isnt far off a 2750 loadout. Its a shame there arnt already premade refit kits floating around for them. It would cut down the work time from a month or two to like a week.
>>97334057If I thought this thread could get something done, that would be a great project.
>>97332997Could be the Red Khopesh. At which point I'm wondering what you're doing fighting the good guys.
>>97334070Judging by my "allies" 100% kill rate on ejected pilots, I think I may be the antagonist.
>>97333918I got the support star purely for the lad, it helps that I liked the rest of the box mechs as well.
I like this mech
>>97326772Asset Management Warheads, or AMW. They were only 3 Mtons but they were fired in the dozens or hundreds from multiple DropShips and hit targets all across the planet. Typically, they were also salted by incorporating cobalt into their casing, which would produce some very long-lasting radioactive fallout that ensured that life wouldn't be possible on a human-useful time frame.
How do omnis interact with frankenmech construction?
>>97334175Badly
>>97331870>FavoriteMarauder IIc since MW2>Least FavoriteHellstar. They got rid of one of my favorite mechs (Warhawk, extinct after RoW but the Scorps have got a factory now in ilclan) made it even more obnoxiously WAAC fag, and then gave it a boring looking design that looks like it got borrowed from some random RTS.
Is it unreasonable as a Merc commander to purposefully plan custom rides for your elite pilots? I've been buying any clan tech units I see in the unit market. Everyone of which has been a complete stinker except the 3 Clpl and lrm 10 tank. That one looked dangerous. I strip them of everything useful. Clan FF, weapons, clan DHS, whatever. This is in addition to the small amount of stuff I salvaged from the field. I then find a suitable host for my scavenged goodies. An Awesome 8Q got the lpls because I couldnt for the life of me get 3 IS ERPPCs to work. Black Knight replaced all its lasers. I still got a pile of non energy weapons I havent even planned what to do with yet.
>>97334122benis gannon :D
>>97334175Omnis immediately un-omnify if any of their fixed equipment is changed, and that includes, engines, gyros, cockpits, sensors, internal structure, and armor. Any kind of frankenmeching is a change to fixed equipment.
>>97334204Reminder that the Hellstar was a result of them having to jam an "Awesome" into a random clicktech box light enough for people to not be able to feel it in the booster like a DA Atlas.
>>97334206This in a mekhq campaign I assume?Cause it makes sense to me, o ly other way to get clantech is fight channels or hope something pops off. And clan mechanics are absolutely ass to repair so they're almost better to just scrap for parts to keep a few around or outfit your IS mechs.
How viable would be short distance space travels with LAM mechs?
>>97334336They don't have a whole lot of reaction mass.
>>97334336Define short distance.
>>97334336How many extra fuel tanks you go installed in?
>>97334336They can pull suborbitals to get around a planet without issue. Going from a planet to even a moon might be more of a problem. How much reaction mass do they carry and how long of accelerating is that good for?
>>97334376One ton which is 80 thrust points.This is why taking away their hardpoints in ASF mode was a crime against humanity.
what makes the LAM the superior mech is that it has ENOUGH fuel, to hot launch at massive speed from a de-orbiting dropper, punch into atmo get to the strategic or tactical objective, ground and pound as mechs, way, way before anyone can reposition conventional mech forces.for example, fixed defences / command and control.because it takes droppers hours to actually land, and orbital mechanics being what they are, landing sites being predictable, the enemy moves forces into position to intercept the landing site roughly... but that draws forces off the target you're after. letting your lams blast in, raid / take out the target and leave.so your lams can fly over head, bomb the fuck out of the target zone, and then get back to the dropper ready to contest the landing along side it.LAMS are tactical and strategic assets for a campaign, far more than 'mechs' which are basically "troops", but more awesome.think about it like this. what if you could take abrams's and fly them blasting around like f-22's, before deploying them to fight.you could put your 'tanks' to fight exactly where you wanted them at the time and place of your choosing, with little difficulty.they're like hobilars.
>>97334420>so your lams can fly over head, bomb the fuck out of the target zoneHardpoints were taken away, friend.
>>97334431LA LA LA LA LA, i cannot hear you herb.
>>97334407That does not sound like very good combat endurance. Can you explain what that means to those of us who are not familiar with AeroTech?
>>97334407Hypothetically speaking, completely hypothetically, most LAMs do have hands and what they carry seems to persist between modes. They're more limited on what they can take compared to hardpoints, but if you hypothetically made a handheld object, a LAM could carry and use it without speed penalties (if you follow handheld weight limit rules)
>>97334431The stupidest part is that they gave them internal bomb bays, but regular ASF don't have that option even though it's dead simple and would greatly increase the utility of ASF (by either eliminating the speed penalty of hard points or allowing them to double up with both hard point and bay bombs)
>>97334420How does this defeat Air defense artillery emplacements that will be around anything important enough to raid or the passivity of ASF intercepting you? Unless you are doing an insert into the back end of nowhere doing LRRP shit or hitting a world bereft of the most basic of defense equipment I dont see the usefulness.
>>97334447This anon is literally trying to say just use mech sized jerry cans bro. This is completely retarded. They cant use their grabbers in AirMech mode bro. But I remember that one Experimental Axman hada lift hoist to hang his spare gat on. So if we have a lift hoist on a LAM to hang the jerry can on, can they switch to AirMech or mech mode and refuel another LAM like the most retarded buddy fueling you ever saw?
>>97334474Where' the rules saying that LAMs can't use their hands in airmech mode?
>>97334464So, fun fact. If you read the lore, ASF are 1/5 as rare as mechs and most LAM's were destroyed in the Succession Wars being used just as ASF's because good air superiority was worth more than something that could be a mech on the ground. It's only at the end of the 3rd War when most surviving ones were collected into special ops battalions that you see more of their strengths being used strategically after the fall of the SL.
>>97334483I mean the ASF mode. I probably dont have the names right. I have never used a LAM.
>>97334489AirMech is the halfway mode with limbs and a badass plane torso.
>>97334464There is insertion to defend allied territory or unsecured enemy territory. Further, any AA defenses or interceptors that could be a problem for a LAM would also be a threat to a dropship, so it's not like its a new problem.There is opportunities in interception and recon in force as well.
>>97334484>ASF are 1/5 as rare as mechsTell that shit to MekHQ, my ass is tired of 4-8 ASF bombing me on the daily.
>>97334407Alright, so, math time: a LAM with safe thrust 6 like the stinger LAM can safely thrust at 3 gravities of acceleration. Doing so consumes 6 points of fuel for each turn (Aerospace turns are one minute long)Hypothetically, a LAM could spend 6 minutes accelerating at 3 gravities, which is roughly 30 m/s squared. 6 minutes is 360 seconds, square that and multiply by thirty to get a velocity after thrusting of 3800 km/s. You cut thrust and coast at this point, and you cross the ~380,000 km from Terra to Luna in about a thousand seconds, or 16 minutes, at which point you turn around and thrust for another 6 minutes to cancel out the velocity you built up. Each 6 minutes of thrust used 36 points of fuel, so you retain 10% of your fuel for maneuvers after.I see serious utility in being able to get from earth to the moon in half an hour.
>>97334420>The solution to ilClan issue on terra is reunite the great houses and convince everyone to spam massive LAMs bombardment everywhere until the enemy dies or fuck off of the planet
>>97334502You're not wrong. You just need to crack open the first chapter of Sword and Dagger and see how a couple extra fuel tanks on an ASF can get you from the fucking jump point all the way to your destination with full juice in good time.
>>97334496I thought about it for more than 60 seconds and I guess he could just walk the fuckers in from just outside AAA range. I'm shooting these shitposts off pretty fast. ASF interception is still a very real concern but the othe anon isnt wrong about there rarity.
Please explain omni-mechs to me. Are they just quickly modifiable mechs?
>>97334523Yes. They mount their weapons in USB ports so you can hot swap them.
>>97334523And repairable. You can go from a shot up missile boat to a mostly-fixed urban fighter in like ten minutes. This is why lore-wise, tiny clan formations were able to roll entire regiments. They just kept hotswapping before the enemy could even repair.
If ASF can't mount a piece of equipment does that cuck LAMS?
>>97334525What about other mechs? How hard is it to modify them? Same as in HBS Battletech? Just find a version with right hardpoints?
>>97334460Internal bomb bays exist as a quirk, it's just that no canon ASF design has it.
>>97334533>How hard is it to modify them?There's classifications of refit in Strategic Operations. Swapping a laser for another laser is easier than plugging in a Gauss rifle or stripping out the skeleton.
>>97334498Lore-wise, most invasions don't bother using ASF at all in the ground campaign because they're too valuable in keeping the spacelanes and skies secure.
>>97334531LAM's are mechs that fly with a few restrictions, so usually not.
>>97330787>Whoever the current chancellor is they need to be raped, preferably by BJFCThe Centrella slut needs a LOT more than the 3.5" that biggest Jade Falcon femboy has to offer. Go put your cage and eyeliner back on and suck off a proper Wolf Mechwarrior like a Good Girl. >Jade Falcon clicker training in the next ilClan supplement
Why are ASF 1/5 as rare as Battlemechs if they are such an effective combatant with vital combat roles that is not materially harder to produce than a mech? Besides mechs are the setting cant be outshined etc.
>>97334610devs hate ASF.
