The Green Knight Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous thread: >>97307443>TQ: Which armies do you want to see featured in the next unannounced arcane journal?
>TQanyone but Cathay or chaos at this point, so probably Orcs, Wood elves, High Elves maybe Beastmen.
>>97325450>TQKislev
>>97325450>TQGive VC.
>TQI want chaos to get rules where you have to physically impregnate whoever is on the other side of the table until one of the two players pledges themselves to one of the dark gods.
Savage Orcs
>>97321942 #This looks NOTHING like Cossacks, Poles, Kievan-Russ, etc. that Kislev is inspired by... Whatever the fuck this stupid Overwatch 2 art style supposed to be, it is NOT Warhammer Fantasy
>>97325706Correct. This is The Old World and not Warhammer Fantasy. There is a superficial similarity but like Horus Heresy it is going to branch off into its own aesthetic.
>>97325728Nice bait but unfortunately for you my IQ is above 100 so it has no effect
>>97325450>TQLizards, of course>back to the old/Renegade cold blood>adjusted Slann that's actually the best caster>better kroxis and cold one riders>salamanders and razordons that are at least remotely playable>get back all old magic items>red crested skinks>sacred spawnings>mixed kroxi and skink units
>>97325525only if they're a woman, right?
>>97325706Kislev and Cathay aesthetics are from 2019 when the Age of Sigmar design theory was more prominent.
>>97325772Feel free to be increasingly disappointed and depressed by where the game is obviously going I guess.
>>97325450>TQ I want that rumored Beastmen x WoC arcane journal so fucking bad
>>97325785Also.>Southlands Lizardmen AoI.>Can upgrade Slann to older generations.What named characters would you give the lizardmen considering that 2-3 is the norm for most armies at the moment?
>>97325450>TQ Vampires or forest goblins. Vamps are obvious, but I want a full Forest goblin sub faction with war beast centipedes, new magic lore, something like a jar of insects ammo for catapult, and warpaint.
>>97323277>you won't get much beside the lore from campaign book and few articles in White Dwarfs discussing the aftermatch of the campaignThere's also the campaign website that drop a couple or fluff bits. Can't remember if the Druchii got a lexicon for their language, but the Albion natives did.
my funny critters. i swapped the plastic command squad for older metal minis for more s o v l
>>97325450>TQWood Elves, but only if they get new plastic models at the same time
>>97325450>TQwe've already had TK and chaos so it's pretty clear the next book is either beastmen or orcs but probably beastmen since kralmaw is featured heavily in the narrative
>>97325525I don't think I could physically get impregnated but rules are rules so we'll just have to see how it goes
Why is this general so dead all of a sudden? I feel like it was more lively 5 years ago and TOW didn't even exist yet back then
>>97326701Now that it's officially supported the community moves more by the beats of the support. And there haven't been any new announcements in a while and we know nothing will be shown off at the next reveal stream
>>97325706I was very worried that this would also be a problem, but Cathay and especially the new marauders definitely gave me a lot of hope that they are keeping it grounded and not AoSifying it.
>>97326596Kino. The two different night goblin styles are unique for me in the range in that I think they are equally good and it comes down to preference. If I had to pick I’d choose the older ones, but I can understand people who prefer 7th too.
>>97326711>The community goes from being passionate hobbyists and lore enjoyers to mindless consoomers who live off product announcements and fomo Truly grim
>>97326736desu a good part of the community back in the day was just middle aged nerds still pickled in rage about AoS.
>>97326715>cathay >new marauders>gave me hope>not AoSifyingSincerely, is this bait?
>>97326756I think anon meant in terms of model design
>>97326756Yes perrynigger. They make your historical sculpts look like green army men.
>>97326809That's exactly what I'm referring to. The model design is more in line with AoS stuff than classical WHFB stuff. I suppose it's more a symptom of modern GWs CAD sculptors though than AoS vs WHFB. I won't even get started on Cathay, but new marauders specifically are oversized and overdesigned exactly like AoS models are, and that visually just doesn't fit with Warhammer Fantasy models or armies. Look at the new foot knights vs classic bret knights. Sure it's not an "AoS" style, but if you place them next to a sigmarine and a classic bret knight they look way more similar to the sigmarine in terms of size, proportions, sculpting style, etc.
>>97326864>oversized Lmao no they are not you literally have 0 idea of what you are talking about
We have a path to glory campaign coming up, starting at 500 and increasing each month. Listening to feedback from before, I have come up with the following list. [496 pts]Warhammer: The Old World, Orc & Goblin Tribes, Battle MarchOrc Bigboss, Great weapon, Light armour, Shield, General, On foot, Dead 'Ard Armour - 9618 Orc Mob, Light armour, Shields, Boss (champion), Standard bearer - 12018 Orc Mob, Light armour, Shields, Boss (champion), Standard bearer - 12010 Orc Mob, Warbows, Light armour, Skirmishers - 506 Orc Boar Boy Mob, Cavalry spears, Light armour, Shields, Boss (champion) - 110Dropped big uns for more boyz and ranks, boars got 6 and champion. Big boss gets shield to get 3+ if charged by a particularly dangerous unit with toughness 6.
TOW is such a lost cause lmao, fuck all the newfaggot zoomers who know nothing else and feel obliged to defend it
>bringing foot knights into a marauder+Cathay discussion Stop feeding perrynigger. He is intentionally trolling. He wants your attention. Ignore him and let him wither.
>>97326880Wife out with the bull? You should be playing with your son in that case not spreading your bile here.
>>97326874One need only Google a comparison pic, anon. >>97326880Fuck off perrynigger
>>97326864I’m honestly happy someone is voicing this. The direction the marauders went is so terrible.
>>97326881Does drawing comparisons and using examples make your brain hurt, brown boy? >accused of being perrynigger Schizos like you are why I'm starting to agree with him
>>97326890No, you need a proper scale comparison. If I have to explain why you’re retarded
>>97326890>>97326901It’s funny that you think you’re being slick.
>>97326903Based anon bringing receipts
>>97326903low IQ on full display
>>97326903>comparing a champion to the only one bent over and squatting down So disingenuous. I get it, you're trying to justify your purchase
>>97326929>comparing a champion Anon just outed himself as having no idea how the WoC sprue/models look like. Have you ever owned a single fantasy model perrynigger?
>>97325916If we go for classic 6th ed flavor, I'd say:Kroq-Gar>Items should still be good, the 2x combat resolution and no ward save weapon, together with the low S high AP template cyberarm>Grymloq should have something extra compared to the carnosaur, although we don't have dead rider rules here, so it should be something elseKroak>Similar to 6th, but it'd be cool to include a spectral unit of Temple Guard that goes with him. James could do an MTO run of the 6th ed metal Temple Guard (the best ones) since they fit so well.And then you could do pretty much anyone else since most of the Slann would've been alive during the TOW timeline, probably Tehenhauin works if you're also releasing Skaven soon, but Mazda/Nakai are good picks as well.
>>97326922>>97326929>n…no that picture is fake Lmaooooooooooooooo
>>97326929>comparing a champion
>>97326903Do you have an old marauder?
Perrynigger outed and running for the hills lmaooooo
>>97326877I like that list, but just a slight change I'd make. This way he always gets the benefit of the shield (not parry), and the 2 ap (with ab1 on top of that) at the cost of 1 orc. Just throw him in with that unit and you get the nice symmetry feel.Path to Glory [499 pts]Orc Bigboss, Light armour, General, On foot, Biting Blade, Dead 'Ard Armour - 10518 Orc Mob, Light armour, Shields, Boss (champion), Standard bearer - 12017 Orc Mob, Light armour, Shields, Boss (champion), Standard bearer - 11410 Orc Mob, Warbows, Light armour, Skirmishers - 506 Orc Boar Boy Mob, Cavalry spears, Light armour, Shields, Boss (champion) - 110
>>97326971No, I really disliked the old sculpts. The marauders on foot not the cavalry, the marauder cav was good pre update too.
>>97326660This, but only if they go back to proper looking woodelves and ditch the gay leather mask and stitched together rags.
>>97326929>comparing a championlike pottery
>>97326974Thanks for the reply but, the big boss is missing the shield? Or was that intentional? If I do that im over by a point. >biting BladeOh damn...din't think of that. Loses strength 6 though. No GW? 15 points for Str4, AP -2 vs 4 points of AP -2 and +2 strength.
>>97327008NTA but I like the biting blade more than a GW at that point level. The frequency of encountering things that will let the GW pay off is much lower than things that the biting blade will do better against imo.
>perrynigger is when you criticise TOW leave le GW alone!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>97327008Oh, i did forget the shield my bad. Slight swap around here improving boar boys a bit by dropping the orc one champion.Path to Glory [500 pts]Orc Bigboss, Light armour, Shield, General, On foot, Biting Blade, Dead 'Ard Armour - 10718 Orc Mob, Light armour, Shields, Boss (champion), Standard bearer - 12017 Orc Mob, Light armour, Shields, Standard bearer - 10710 Orc Mob, Warbows, Light armour, Skirmishers - 506 Orc Boar Boy Mob, Cavalry spears, Light armour, Shields, Boss (champion), Standard bearer - 116You still have the 5 Strength on the charge, and not having strikes last and the shield is huge.
>>97327047Ahahahaha aren’t you embarrassed after you were exposed to have never seen fantasy models irl? You had the right idea initially slinking away, but please keep posting your “ opinions “ so we can make fun of you some more.
>>97327040Im curious to explore this. Granted a lot of my players in me local are arms racers, but my process is the Orc boss and his unit are likely to get charged. Assuming that, he is striking last anyway but hits back weaker at Str4 but same AP for 3 x the cost of a GW. Inversely, with GW, if im being charged by a hardy unit, I can swap to shield and HW to simply tank the hit. If they're not lancers or ironguts, i can pull out the GW and do considerable retaliatory damage.
>>97327058That’s fair, I know it’s not helpful but I suppose that what your local meta looks like is the most relevant factor. You have ogre players locally?
>>97327054My brother of green, first, thanks for keeping in on the repky thread. But where is the big boss getting +1 str on the charge? He is Str4 by default, choppa improves AP on charge, less im missing a rule.
>>97327074Yeah, im in our local scenes whatsapp group.Some guy is bringing a pair of fucking mournfangs to the 500 points PTG. Unreal desu. Only consolation is his bruiser is naked but still ludicrous.
>>97326942>>97326955>>97326973>>97326991>>97326973Kek like moths to a flame
>>97327096this general was better when perrynigger actually posted here and posted his shitty models and naked body rather than these schizo idiots obsessed with his ghost
>>97327077Dangit, I play beastmen so I saw furious charge and thought it was bestial charge. Though I do think furious charge is better. With orcs, getting the charge is an enormous importance. You're fairly likely to get it too with Warband. Choppa more than makes up for the str difference with the reroll 1s to wound.
>>97327113Replying to yourself is poor form
>>97327085>pair of fucking mournfangs What a cunt. Do you guys run renegade rules for legacy?
>>97327114No biggy beastbro. Ngl, if this orc thing isnt gonna work out, despite spending close to 390 euro on this army...i may go beastmen. Good god i hope they're at least fun though.Boars were 10010 arrers were 30Warboss and banner 50Big uns command and 10 were 120Boyz box 75Prob coulda skipped getting metal bug uns and just get boyz but jesus they look swell.
>>97327121>what a cuntTad harsh but he did say he's only using what he painted...of course. Don't get me wrong, we all want to win but, jesus. >renegadesI don't think so. Just all vanilla.
>>97327131>all vanillaAh ok, well he’s not a cunt then that’s fair. The OK legacy list is brutal after the 1.5 faq changes. An army full of monstrous infantry supported only as legacy in an edition where monstrous infantry is among the weakest type.
>>97326864I think what you're seeing is 20 years of technological advancement in miniature making. They look like AoS minis because they are modern minis.
>>97327142>>97326929He outed himself here as being a clueless troll
>>97327128Orcs are way more fun army to build, paint, and play unless you 100% know you like beastmen or like current WAAC. >MournfangDepends who gets the charge, but the 6 boar boy mob is better. If you get the charge he should straight lose the cavalry fight, and if he charges it comes down to how lucky he gets on the impact hits. If that's what your worried about going up against, drop the standard on the boars and take heavy armour. Makes them basically equal (fear does nothing for his side due to US), but yours have counter charge, choppa, Furious, and can disrupt flank cause they are US 12 instead of US 6.
>>97327165My boars are kitted with all the juice man. 6 with Heavy armour, cav spears, shield and champion. My impression of boar boyz is, they arent a "delete this" unit like Chaos Knights but more versatile and, ironically, as durable. I also realised woth counter charge, even if he gets +3 initiative, because boar boyz got Initiative 3, 1 higher by ogres, even a 1 on the D3 (D3+1 counter charge) means outaide impact hits, we'll strike together.Those impact hits hurt like a bitch though with AP -1 with -1 armour bane.
>>97327211Yeah, its the impact hits that make the difference in a 1 on 1 charge. You also have warband though so you can set up for longer charges than he can even though he has 1 higher movement. You only need 4 wounds in your 25 attacks to bring down one of his cav, and 8 wounds is possible with luck since you get the reroll 1s.
>>97327247>25 attacksI WISH! I get 13 from the orcs+ boss and 6 from boars. 19 assuming impact doesn't shit on me. Its close but, 6 more attacks would be sexy.
>>97327257My bad, my brain is burnt out from work. For some reason i counted the extra attacks on the orcs twice, either way 8 is still doable on 19 attacks. You have the AP 2 on your boys and 1 on the boars where he only gets the AP 1 on the mounts unless he's going great weapons which is terrible for this model if you ask me, but debating ironfist v great weapon is a separate thing entirely.
>>97327278No biggy man. Thanks for the discussion, its reassuring when i fight my friends ogres next and the boars didnt bust my bank for nothing. Have a good un, its mad late here.
>>97327307Hey, one of the best parts of the game is this right here. The list building and theorycrafting.
>>97326987oh this arts cool i like then in animal skins and stuff
>>97326987>>97327351NTA but I need to get the 5th edition Wood Elf army book, I assume it's from there. the 4/5th edition books have so much cool art and lore.
>>97327142>because they are modern Wrong, it's because they are modern GW™ minis. Pic related are modern minis too
>Pic related are modern minis too>drawingsLmao
This makes me want to start a Cathayan army.
Now that the dust has well and truly settled, why did TOW flop?
>>97327936I rather dislike the huge centerpiece models - the lantern is both ugly and broken rules-wise, I've heard the golem is a nightmare to assemble. But I reckon one could build a versatile force that is from the grand Cathay roster once wave 2 is released.
>>97325450>TQRAROO
>>97327936cathay is so peak.I almost want to buy and paint a second sentinel but I dont want to assemble it lol
>>97328013>citing a source that doesn't even provide survey countI am laughing but not at what you think double digit iq anon.
>>97328044>>97328210I don't like the balloon personally. It's too big and doesn't really feel like it fits to me in a rank and flank. I love the sentinels from a thematic and aesthetic pov though, Cathay is pretty cool overall. Looking at new faction in 40k and AoS, Cathay came out surprisingly decent.
>>97328221I like my balloon, that I painted, but transporting that thing to the club is a bitch.
>>97326751I was only 23.
>>97326701I've just started lurking again the past couple days to see what it's like atm. Was here some of last year/2024, most of 2022-23, plenty of time 2019 and further back.I don't think it's to do with any downtime between TOW releases. I think it's more a few bad apples poisoning the general and have driven people away. It's just not a very nice place to be any more, and each time I come back I find myself turning into a more negative person until I step away for a while again. There are some good anons who are interested in hobbying and gaming and will interact with each other positively, but that aspect gets overshadowed by the negativity, arguing, trolling. Even the slightest opinion on what someone would like to see in the next AJ or post of a painted model invites sarcastic negative responses, at a way higher proportion of overall posts than in years gone by. Part of me thinks it's because some anons in here are constantly on edge due to having had their own negative experiences in threads gone by and now feel the need to bristle at people to protect their feelings, and they forget to reset their emotions when talking to new anons in a new thread so that air of tension carries over from thread to thread. Then when the perryfag gets going, the tension can boil over and a whole thread can become a write-off, and nothing seems to be being done about him from the mods so it's not a problem that's likely to change any time soon. Overall, not how I like to interact with my hobby sadly and I wouldn't be surprised if many others have distanced from this general for the same reason. It could even be that instead of consciously distancing themselves from here, now that TOW has launched it's easier for them to find other groups to interact with to get their square based fix with less toxicity, so they've just naturally gravitated away. Being honest it doesn't really look like the issues have changed much here so I'd be inclined to stay distanced unfortunately.
>>97327450To be pedantic, those are artistic renditions of models.
>>97325843The last time you tried to make this distinction you wanted to contrast foot knights with lady elise until someone pointed out those are both from the same year
>>97328343t. schizo
>>97328343Foot knights and Elise both being launch models doesn't mean they were designed anywhere near the same time. It not wrong to say that you think the knights were designed far earlier than Elise. Because the design language is completely different.
>>97328401Finno-Korean Altaic truth from Sino Hyperborea
>>97328409Sorry I don't know what that means I just wanted to say some slurs and this is the only place on the internet you can do that now
>>97328279Nta, but it's a pity that you feel this way. A general is defined by its anons, and having one less 'spergy' person in it is a tad sad.I do feel like there was a shift before and after TOW. I myself wasn't present on the Fantasy threads when Fantasy was still supported - only started coming to /wfg/ a few months before TOW was revealed - but I want to believe that it was still better than now.
>>97327054>45 Boyz in a 500pt listJesus christ my list would get spanked
>>97326701It's not this general specifically, the whole board has been on a decline for a while.If you go through the archives this becomes readily apparent. /wfg/ used to get 2 or 3 threads a day in 2018 or so, even when the game was as dead as it ever would be. /aosg/ similarily would get 3 or 4 a day. Now both of those hover around the inverse, a thread maybe every 2 days, unless a major release happens or a shitposter stirs the whole thread into shitflinging.40kg is the only one still putting up numbers like that, but it's basically permanently on fire. Good amount of modelpostin though.
Post dudes!
>>97328513I havnt had much time to do the few remaining Gors and Ungors for my 500pt battle march list, works been fookin hectic.Realistically I'll be done in March and then I can finally have some games (though I'll need to ask around in a local Facebook group or similar)
>>97326701I have been coming to this general for years, used to post games and minis etc but I've largely stopped and only intermittently pop in. This general sucks now since there are one or 2 schizos here who froth at the mouth and call you perrynigger if you talk about anything not made by GW or voice an opinion on TOW thats not glowing praise. Try it out for yourself, next general ask "what are some good non GW minis for Empire" and watch as the schizo accusations come flying in
>>97328513Snagrog Deadeye, Warboss of the Skull Smashaz tribe, has garnered a reputation as an unusually cunning and crude Orc.Once working as a mercenary for gold and grub, he fought alongside several others in the Battle of Burnheim, a young city in the most northern part of the Emoire. Although the city was eventually destroyed, it was due to his efforts that the chaos incursion was repelled, after headbutting the Chaos Lord in the eve of battle.After recovering from his injuries, Snagrog continued his mercenary work, sometimes for free if it meant a good fight and he accumulated a vast array of armours, weapons and trophies, mainly during his time in the Border Princes.However, after one too many who hired him sought to betray him or take his life, Snagrog chopped and smashed his way back to the Badlands. After bashing some orcs around, he began to gather a small following and now is filled with the urge to go seek more big fights but this time, not alone...
>>97328401>faction created specifically with the goal of not hurting the feelings of chinamen>aryanAt least put some thought into your shitpost
>>97328610respecting other peoples culture is a white mens trait
>>97326701the constant whining about cathay and AoS instead of talking about the game is a bit of a turn off. but its not like other generals are better. there they are just posting r34 instead of talking about the game.
>>97328647Nta but r34 is preferable of 1-3 people purposelly derailing threads. I appreciate anonymity is a plus but sometimes, with the accessibiliyy of other alternatives, makes you wonder if its worth it. With even a 2% smidgen of moderation, /tg/ could be much better. Insta ban derailers who prob make up less than 1/100th of /tg/, job done.
>>97328602I bet my dude would love to battle your dude! Good looking warboss Anon, got any Boyz as well?
>>97326701I got a starter box of beastmen waiting for me back home but been visiting my parents and friends in my home town for the past month or so
>>97328707I'd relish the chance to scrap with Kharur! Sadly no boyz yet, they're in the post but here is Snagrog and his banner waer, Bobog (name still pending)
>>97328602>>97328794Adorable anon, though I’d highly recommend painting those trophy skulls on his shoulder - at least the hair and bone. Looks a bit flat.I’m working on stormvermin, batch painting 20 slowly.(I had 21 but I did up the champion as a test scheme.
>>97328810>adorableHeh, that's a neat compliment. I will let Snagrog know, will prep him for his first battle! Make him ANGRY!Yeah the heads look quite clayish, what i get for not restocking my paints. I will mind though i legit fell in love with orcs putting those lads together. Can't wait to get the army together. Appreciate the feedback.
>>97328845If you lack paints, then just reuse the browns you used on the wood to the hair, maybe apply two or three layers of shade to make it a bit different from the browns on the woods.
Anon, share your wisdom and teach me how to win on Classic Empire. All these elves, undead, and orcs are tearing me apart!(PIC my General)
>>97328279>>97328499>>97328582>>97328666It's pretty unfortunate that we let perrynigger single handedly tear apart and destroy a community that been going strong for 15 years
>>97329038It's not really perrynigger though, he doesn't even post anymore. It's the mindbroken autist(s) obsessed with him shutting down any conversation because wrongthink.
>>97329112shut it, perrynigger
>>97325450>TQBesides the beastmen and WoC fusion list, I’d like a follow up to the War of Settra’s Fury, alongside a couple new TK kits.
>>97329155And there we have it
>>97329112Those anons doesn't even realized they have become a bigger problem than perryfag ever was. Perryfag was a troll, but I believe it was always lighthearted and he actually posted content, his garage table, his historical models and even his naked body lmao. These news guys are just constant negativity and seething, they post and contribute nothing.
>>97329224>his garage table*garbage table
>>97329224Yeah, perryfag was a retard but he was our retard. He might have said dumb shit sometimes but at least he was good value for a chuckle and actually posted models. If he still lurks I'm sure he's absolutely pissing himself laughing that he lives rent-free in the mind of some idiots in this general (watch as they accuse of being perrynigger samefagging)
Which base style do you prefer? The cavalry base is the same as the GW skeleton, ditto for the rightmost skeleton and empty base except I accidentally gave the skeleton base a second drybrush. Thinking middle or right, then I'd need to decide on a rim color.
>>97327128>Prob coulda skipped getting metal bug uns and just get boyz but jesus they look swell.You did good, you should use what looks cool rather than what is meta.
>>97329112>>97329224>>97329239samefagging perrynigger
>>97329245Was trying to match something like this.
>>97329292it doesn't look like your cracked earth paint cracked
>>97327450anon. Those are drawings.
>>97328666>with the accessibiliyy of other alternatives, makes you wonder if its worth itWe get it, you like Reddit
>>97329299Oh most did, it's just hard to see. The couple with uncracked bases are due to testing various surfaces for the paste. Turns out it cracks nicely with some PVA under it.
>>97329245>>97329446The cavalry base style. God, these are kino. Love me skeletons.. love me vampires.. love me undead.. SOVL
I need to start an undead army project. Time to start scouring the Internet for sick skeletons and ghouls. GWs ones are too overpriced and the new AoS shit for sale just doesn't have that classic vibe
>>97329381Worse Whatsapp
>>97329514check red bard games
>>97329514Diehard miniatures
>>97329514The soulblight gravelord skeletons are especially egregious because skeletons are so easy to do well, probably easier than literally anything, and yet they fucked them up hard. Skeletons need to be mostly NAKED with the occasional helmet or greave, elite skellies can have a helmet and cuirass and they should all have an air of silliness to them
i like warhammer a lot. in fact…you could say its my…..Fantasy
>>97329601Fantasy Holy Roman Empire is so fucking cool and iconic. It's such a shame and a mystery that GW wants to move away from this aesthetic so badly.
>>97329620it's essentially forced to separate how aos and tow lookwe can only hope they fix state troops in due time
>>97329469Since you love skeletons here's my nascent idea, no idea what it could count as and what else could spruce it up if necessary, but it's a start.
>>97329685consider putting the knot on the side rather than the top of the head, it blocks the view of the weapon less and I think there was a hairstyle like that in some depictions of ancient egypt
>>97329620>Holy Roman Empire is so fucking cool and iconicIt’s lame.
>>97329704I thought the same about the knot taking attention from the weapon as I was putting it on, but doing a quick search reveals that sideknot was a kid's hairstyle and now I can't help but see it duplicated on the other side of the head to get girly pigtails.
>>97329809no it's cool
>>97329620>Fantasy Holy Roman Empire is so fucking cool and iconicWhich is why noboy has bothered to copy it and all the successful fantasy franchises stay in earlier Middle Ages
>>97329809T. Voltaire
>>97329809Only brown people get upset when discussing white excellence
>>97329861most fantasy franchises begin their life in the written medium, not the visual one, that's why they can't rely on elaborate aesthetics as much as the homogenised common denominator of what people are familiar with, which are the idea of a guy in armor, or the idea of a society of paesants and castles, but even when it comes to the earlier middle ages there's barely an exploration or adherence to the more elaborate and historically accurate designs, now imagine relying on people's idea of even less familiar periods.
>>97329861This is primarily due to historical illiteracy more than anything. The average DnD enjoyer can't even tell you what the HRE is or when existed. At most a few will be able to parrot some low IQ reddit phrase like "ACKSHULLY IT WAS NEITHER HOLY, NOR ROMAN OR AN EMPIRE HEHE!"
>>97329907Only brown people have to larp as cultures extinct for centuries because their countries are in the gutter now and they have nothing to be proud of.
I've been playing WFRP 4e since it came out, and every time I try to take a break and try out other systems I always end up coming back to WFRP. I played several sessions of "regular" D&D and it sucks that character progression takes place all at once after several games when you get enough xp to level up while WFRP lets you improve your PC at the end of every session. There's a ton of detail too with hit locations and critical wounds broken bones etc and a shitton of character options. Furthermore character progression is divided into skill/attribute progression and social (status) progression with social progression being completely optional. Tbh WFRP is one of the if not THE best RPG there is
>>97330012This is dumb and cope, all great men in history have revered, or 'larp' as you say, their past. The HRE larped as Romans, Napoleon larped as Alexander and Friedrich the Great, Caesar larped as Alexander, Nazis larped as germanic/Celtic barbarians, etc.
>>97330062What's your opinion on TOWRPG and the recent 5e announcement anon?
>>97330100Why does he have the hair cut of a modern liberal Seattle tattoo artist?
>>97330062I’ve been reading some of the archives of the empire, and the urge to play an all ogre session is so strong. Just the lads chomping and smashing our way as maneater mercenaries.
Any Mordheim playing willing to post their Warbands or terrain?
>>97330132The artist likes the haircut
>>97330100I haven't had a chance to try it yet but IMO this should have been a setting book for WFRP rather than its own game.
>>97330165Who is the artist
>>97330186Alessandro Boer
>>97330186Alessandro Boar he does a lot of art for WFRP/TOWRPG
>>97330186
>>97330132Undercuts have existed long before they came to be associated with liberals. It was a working class haircut during and after the industrial revolution. Germans had them in 1930's.What the other anon posted is one of the more appropriate places to utilize it in fantasy
>>97330207Fuck you and your lib tranny bogeymen. I looked it up and Boer's a spaniard looking guy
>>97330282He's Italian anon not Spanish
>>97330269>working class haircut from the 1930s>that makes it appropriate to utilize on a fantasy medieval/Renaissance warrior Nigga r u srs
>>97330132Artist is a big peaky blinders fan.
>>97330319>um achually, dis hairstyle is anachronisticFucking wikipedia-reading armchair historians.
>>97330197cool, unofficial birdmen art
played skaven today and holy fuck do they suck, it feels like something fundamental is missing from the list to make it work. You can give maybe one or two units acceptable leadership for 2 turns, everything else will run and none of their ranged can make the slightest difference in balancing the melees up. I'm not even sure if they can skew into anything half decent. I heard it was bad but didn't think it would be unplayable, even 800 more points wouldn't make a difference.
>>97330383>list Your problem is that you're trying to play to min/max and win instead of roleplaying as a (skaven) general leading his men in a fantasy battle. ie. You're not playing in the 'Spirit' of the game. For Skaven you build an army you think is cool and thematic and then get slaughter by your foes like all good Skaven do, which makes an unlikely victory all the more sweeter
>>97330371When the fuck will GW expand on the lore of Tilea and Estalia? My copium can’t last any longer, aye Myrmidia.
>>97330157I've been toying with the idea of an Ostlander warband for ages on and off. I have a lot of other projects I've been working on so I haven't gotten around to it, but here is an Ogre mercenary WIP for it q
>>97330383You can always paint them green and use them as orcs.
>>97330434Up In Arms had some stuff about Tilea and Myrmedia and the sectarian split between Tilea and Estalia
>>97330434no idea, but the moment gw expands on tilea it's the moment everything that was written for it gets discarded, hypotheses, facts and tone, and I don't want that because I don't trust gw with being able to provide an entertaining reinvention.I want tileans to be silly.
>>97330476This 100%. Tileans were created to give the Perry Twins an outlet to inject historical models into the setting. God forbid nuGW gets their hands on them and gives them the Kislev treatment
>>97330495I trust the tow team is capable of designing properly updated DoW kits way more than I trust them with the background once given white paper.the issues with cathay and kislev, I believe, where more to do with them having to be total war designs too.
>>97330519>I trust the tow team Anon, I ...
>>97330590That's like the one bad new model kit the Specialist games team has made TOW
>>97330597Literally what are you even rambling about this time? The thread is going well right now, what are you even on about now
>>97330601>the empire stuff >the elf character >everything chaos (yes im including the marauders here, fuck you) >beastmen (they didn’t get anything new, but I feel obligated to include them) >the tomb king dragon>longma rider from Cathay if I’m being generous and only have to include one thing from Cathay
>>97330648It's the schizo obsessed with perryfag. He sees a posts like >>97330590 in which anon suggests that a TOW sculpt is not amazing which causes him to short-circuit and go on some autistic rant about his lover
>>97330681Beastmen got KrawlmawI think outside of the one-foot character, most of the new Empire stuff was well receivedBut you're correct, the Brettonian foot knight hasn't been the only bad new model, but the batting average for TOW is decently high
>>97330476I wouldn’t mind a Reman legion, in all their formations, eagles, gladius, and long marches. Senators and Generals being backstabbing cunts may step on the Skaven toes though.
>>97330697Normal tactic utilized by gw shills to silence criticism.
>>97330729Please take your meds, or at the very least find a hobby. Maybe try painting some models?
>>97330714I don’t like the character itself (the head and the staff are odd and not in a grim dark way, it’s almost comedic) but I really like the familiar.
>>97330752Yeah I agree with your take completely. We need a word to describe what you’re describing. It’s that AoS cartoon softness that’s present in some of the TOW releases. Luckily none of the newer kits seem to have that problem.
>>97330783I mean, marauders and the tomb king characters kinda do.
>>97330729Unironically take your meds mate
>>97330801Neither the marauders and especially the TK kits have that issue.
>>97330801>>97330836The new TK plastic kits* the old new TK released for TOW definitely had the same cartoon issue
>>97326929I don’t know why you guys keep responding to the troll. As he exposed himself here. He’s never seen fantasy models irl. He isn’t a grog, he isn’t a secondary. He’s just a loser shitposting for multiple days.
>>97330729>writing voice Bro is imagining voices in his head when he reads 4chan posts
>>97330888I kinda want to try it too but probably shouldn't if it leads to mental illness
>>97330888>>97331118I can’t tell if we are being ironic here or not.
>>97331127You are responding to a samefagging troll. Which is all he wants. Yes, he is retarded. That's the point.
>>97331132>samefag
The best part of movement trays is that I don't have to paint base rims
>>97331256Do you at least paint the trays ?
>>97330383My main advice to skaven fans who want to play TOW is to just embrace how dogshit they are, and maybe play into it by painting a weak shitter clan like Verms, Skrapp, or Fester.
>>97330439Whete did you get this model?
Are all the 5th edition books written by Nigel Stillman? Was he just the guy back then?
>>97331368they didn't have that much content compared to 7th ed books, I guess
>>97331415I am finding it kinda the opposite. There's so much interesting older lore in these books, although I only have a couple of them now so I can't speak for the entire 5th edition library.
>>97331118I read all 4chan posts as if narrated by Matt Berry.
Okay a few things first I started a fanfiction based on this image with satura getting his Settra the Imperishable Magically getting his last living descendant teleported to his capital,And is there anything good to read to understand Settra outside of memorable moments like outside of he does not show but what he likes to do what his future plans are for his people now get them Mommy and skeleton people or a good look at how he deals with the living I know the High Queen Khalida appeared in Gotrek and Felix And I live in followers who work for her. I just want something where I get a more sense of who Settra is and his actual goals outside of at times or emergency situations or when somebody stole from him his hat and he's going to get it back even in the Frozen North.
>>97331583>is there anything to read to understand Settra nohe's not truly a character as much as an archetype, he's the king of kings, the guy who did everything and did it better than anyone else, who conquered as far as he could reach, whose only regret in life was feeling cheated by death because he wanted to rule even more
>>97331676 What kind of mileage can I get with contrasting him with his greatest antagonist he had in his afterlife Where he was the good King to his people who did him well to Nagash, the Great Necromancer Who did the bad Settra did even worse to his own kingdom and none of the good Empire building and United that Settra And none of the what you could call sacrifice for the future( listen to the religious people to appease the gods even at your own children's cost it did work for him) and giving his people not a reason to just feel him but to love having Settra as there ruler?In what exactly was his relationship like with Arkhan the Black before end times?
What's better core choice for Dark Elves generic infantry or corsairs?
>>973313685th edition Vampire Count and WoC are Tuomas Pirinen
Hear me out: A new Orc dual kit for Savage Orcs or normal Orc boys.
>>97331734Which do you think is cooler?
>>97329601>>97329620The Empire is such an amazing faction man. I feel bad for normies that don't like it.>>97329629I doubt they're going to touch the kit, but you never know. I proxied mine anyways.>>97329809>>97329861Homosexual opinions uttered by the deranged. Besides, a lot of settings copy landsknecht fashion. They don't copy more of the HRE because most settings out there aren't that deep, which reveals that both of (you) are shallow.
>>97331832Corsairs ofc. I've been thinkingof making corsair themed army in general but I'm kind of wondering whether they can last enough for a frontliners and whether not to bring some spearmen on
>>97331840>>97329861>>97329620To be fair the number of electric counts in the Empire of man is a lot more manageable than the Holy Roman Empire here's a quick summary of it also Germany is younger than the USA.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPgHkAlQ_N4
>>97331718No offence dude, but your post feels like reading through the letter of an autistic kid having a stroke.But if I got you right, then the problem is not that we have very little regarding settra and his relations with others, it's worse, we don't have anything at all.Settra died after a long life, with the promise of being reawakened as an immortal demigod by the mortuary priests he established, then he woke up millennia later by the spell of the greatest asshole the world would see, together with every other royal entombed in nehekhara.The extent of his characterisation is being pissed as fuck by being a corpse instead of a golden demigod, and being the only one with enough authority to tell all other mummified kings to sit down and not infight, because otherwise they would all claim to be the king with the ultimate right to rule.The nehekaran underworld and gods are also presumably dead, or at the very least so distant that noone in the setting truly knows anything about their current whereabouts, only old legends and vague speculations.According to the 8th ed armybook, everyone in nehekara hates/fears arkhan for his past under nagash, but no one has enough military power to challenge him, even clashes with settra's armies end with stalemates or pointless bonegrinders where settra is content to leave him be as long as arkhan isn't openly acting against nehekara and makes some formal declaration of fealty to settra, no matter how obvious of a lie that is.
>>97331734in most cases, specialists beat generalists in warhammer, unfortunatelyyou'll generally prefer having units that are specialised in shooting or in tanking charges more than you'll want to have a unit that can shoot a little bit and also fight a little bitbut corsairs are also cool as fuck and the difference in true performance is arguably negligible, so I'd always take at least one unit if I collected dark elves, they're too cool
>>97331886 I have Asperger's and I'm using speech to text.
>>97331884The empire has more electors than the hre had
>>97331871>kind of wondering whether they can last enough for a frontliners Doesn't matter, if they're cooler to you then that's the one you should go with
All the new TOW minis are so ugly you could tell me they are from 8th edition and I would belive you.Let's see how they ruin chaos warrior too.
Three heroes for my Warhammer Quest 95 are ready. Dorf is next.
>>97332010marauders are pretty great and cathay is kind of inoffensive, which ones are so bad? That said I did stock up on some chaos warriors just now.
>>97331884What >>97331930 said, you're probably thinking of states enjoying imperial immediacy - although some of the fluff heavily insinuates that most of the Empire states really ought to be seen as little confederations themselves, with the electors rather being primus inter pares (like how the emperor is also meant to be primus inter pares among the electors themselves), although only Ostermark being an actual league. By the 1500s most of the immediate states under the Holy Roman Empire already started to centralise, while within the Empire of Man that hasn't really happened with a lot of nobles under the electors still running around with their own armies.(The Holy Roman Empire is my special interest)>>97328279Adding to this and what the other anons have already said about this topic:I think we're also dealing with a lot of bitter oldfags in these threads. That's not only because of the way how Fantasy was killed in the first place, but also because our 'niche' within this hobby has also changed a lot since then. Everything from the newer models to modern attitudes to the fluff, to even the way some of the newer (non-autistic) blood approaches this game.I can understand the complaints (especially as someone that also prefers oldhammer), but I think it's also just the natural result of life changing. Life has simply changed from when you were in teens or early 20s, you won't be able to return to it even if you reintroduced 4e/5e/6e and brought back all the oldhammer miniatures. Add to that the fact that the approach to nerd hobbies has changed drastically since then (especially in America from what it seems), and we now have to contend with more than just a small circle of old school nerds.Atleast I'm lucky that I'm a certified autist that will probably run on the same child-like special interest fumes for my fantasy HRE dudes until the day I die. GW just helped me obtain two kits that I really wanted.
>>97332086>by the 15th century most of the immediate states of the hre started to centralizeMy knowledge on the hre is as surface-based as it comes, but I thought that was kind of a postnapoleon kind of thing, the betrayal of the princes or whatever it's called? >approach to nerd hohbies has changedIt's kind of incredible how the past 15 or so years have just been a giant cultural victory for nerds. I'm a zoomer and even I noticed the change. You'll have triple a celebs talking about how they love anime or whatever in interviews. (Whether or not they actually do or if its for show is another thing, but also kind of irrelevant)
>>97332133>My knowledge on the hre is as surface-based as it comes, but I thought that was kind of a postnapoleon kind of thing, the betrayal of the princes or whatever it's called?I ran out of characters and couldn't explain it well. While the HRE remained fragmented a lot of the larger and medium-sized states immediately under the emperor were able to centralise power under their ruler. So, the empire as a whole remained very fragmented, but many of the regional princes (such as the Duke of Bavaria or the Margrave of Brandenburg) were able to do away with the overt military power of the estates under them, as well as limit their most extreme economical and political privileges. The areas of Germany that were extremely fragmented (Franconia and Swabia) saw the military power of the dozens of independent knights and feudal microstates evaporate as well. The image I posted is actually one of the very last German knights that was able to assert considerable military power, after him that kind of power only really rested in the hands of the regional princes.>It's kind of incredible how the past 15 or so years have just been a giant cultural victory for nerds.It's admittedly not a change I've seen as much in my own country (hobbies such as Warhammer or D&D aren't nearly as popular over here in the Netherlands as they are around us or in the US & UK), but even then it went from being a completely unknown hobby to being something most people will tolerate, atleast as long as you're not too weird about it.
>>97332010They will be twice as big, they will have twice as many copy/pasted 'details' greebles, and will now be in DYNAMIC whacky poses
>>97331840This art is so lame.
>>97332233Based hre autist, thank you for your knowledge.As far as the nerd stuff goes, while wargaming is still fairly niche the dnd thing has been going relatively mainstream in the past few years. I've had at least two separate "normie" friend groups invite me to sessions. They're not my thing so I politely declined, but apparently one of them ran for like a year. We're still speaking in relative terms of course, it's not something I would advise to put in your tinder bio or whatever the fuck, but still.
>>973322932/10 you tried
Dorf is ready - full fellowhip is ready to rock.
>>97332793looks good, chief
Do you guys think that it's likely that we'll get some MTOs for Lizardmen metal minis? I'm particularly interested in metal Temple Guard (6th) and metal Cold One Riders (6th), and I don't think any recaster has them
>>97332793This really illustrates how much better 20mm bases look than 25mm
>>97332926>Legacy FactionNo
>>97332926Legacy factions will never be a part of TOW and yes recasters do have those minis
>>97333303Initials, please. I know quite a few, and I've only found one that has 2 models of Temple Guard, but no Cold Ones and no command group of TG
what's the best army for someone who has never played a rank and flank game before?
>>97330383Give me your list, and your opponentsWere you using renegade?I lost my first 5-6 games with rats this edition before figuring them out. They are pretty bad but there’s a few things.Doomwheel shooting into combats in both players turnsWlc shootimg through walls and shit and combats(combine this with giant rats) - better with renegade seriously.Giant rats being incredibly useful-Either 10 as a first charge eater/frenzy baiter or line of sight blocker for your more valuable units.Or 25+1Moulder as a March formation blocker- keeping opponents key pieces penned.Rattling guns are the only ‘good’ weapon teamNiche case can be made for the flayer and warpfire. (Rattling gets better with renegade as weapon teams can be bought as a detachment for the parent, so counter charge/support fire) like they were in the other editions.Assassins, priorly a piece of shit can now excel with sword of sorrows (it’s this editions warp stars).Most of the list rerolls charges due to warband. Even a humble clanrat sword and shield(4+ due to parry) block provides +6 CR -Horde= 3 ranks banner, outnumber, close order. Add grand banner of superiority on your bsb, throw in a nice choppy halberd chieftan and/or warlord.- on the charge you are hitting at like i8/9 easy with the characters, who then aside from the bsb verminous valour back avoiding counter hits.If you have stormvermin - do the same thing except also give them banner of scurrying for swiftstride.Jezzails are solid anti cav *renegade lets you run units of 4-5 instead of one unit of 8.Skitterleaping solo engineer with ruby ring outside dispel range - make him lvl 1 or 2 battle magic. D3 free warpstone tokens ensures he’ll cast the spell he needed at least once.Rat ogres suck but did they ever not, unit fillers or ogre rats (ogre mercenaries with gw) Poison nerf hurt gutter runners but they still mop up anything t3 with ease. And threaten lone wizards most heartily with throwing stars.
>>97333664I'm a fan of the SVermin static brickEnough for 4 ranksGrand BannerBSB+Warbanner3 Ranks, Close Order, BSB , Warbanner, Banner, Grand Banner3 +1 +1 +1 + 1 + d3 = 7+d3 Static combat rest and you probably outnumber your opponent for another +1
Which forest in Warhammer is most associated with the undead?
>>97333613What does this even mean? I genuinely don't understand the question
>>97333613You should probably just stick to 40k lil bro
>>97333613play warriors of chaos and go as few models as you can to have less to manage. buy the battalion box and go from there.
Progress on my daemon prince/chaos lord on chimera is going swimmingly. This might actually not wind up being a horrible waste of two fourty year old models!
Thinking of making some unit fillers for my marienburg empire army - any ideas?
