Is it better to have fully anthropomorphic beast people in your settings or just humans with like animal ears and tails?
It depends, now jannies delete this furfag bait.
>>97330128>just humans with like animal ears and tails?This is beastmen for cowards and so is your OP pic. I want to see something that isn't a human with fur either. I want crested lizards, I want barn owls with taloned feet, and elephants with huge thick fingers and trunks.
>anthropomorphicLearn what words mean, retard.
>>97330128Neither. It's better to have barely anthropomorphic beast people in your settings.
>>97330128Going full warhammer. Humans but with ears and tails is fucking lazy
>>97330128>humans with like animal ears and tailsThis is the worst possible implementation. Its not distinctly different from a human.
>>97330173>for cowardsWhy do animal rapists always try this tactic? The point of kemonomimi IS the juxtaposition between cute girl and animalistic habits. It creates a dichotomy of familiar and exotic, of human and inhuman, of civilized and savagery. Upright animals are mere awakened beasts, so them acting as such is no surprise, it is precisely that twilight band that kemonomimi occupy that gives them such a strong appeal. The humanity is required PRECISELY to juxtapose the bestiality.Not that you'd understand because you're an artless philistine and probably want to rape puppies to death like most furries.
>>97330128idk bro just do what you prefer since they're just personal pretend worlds anyways. I don't get why you keep trying to force engagement with questions that are so increasingly comically irrelevant to actually engaging in the hobby.
>>97330173You are the coward who doesn't want to admit that he is a degenerate whose only desire is to rape a beast.
>>97330572The only thing I know is that your art is the only erotic thing in this thread; furries are not capable of achieving this beauty.
>>97330572Yshtola couldn't possibly be any more asexual or aromantic.>>97330693Not simply wrong, but comically so.
>>97330128Neither is objectively better.The only real factor is preference (of all players included).If you cant decide just have both - either as the same species with big variation or as different species, both is fine.Maybe the humans, are really just humans who magically alter their body, similar to tattoos. Or they are Bio-magically spliced parts of real animals. Or they are a completely different species altogether - I mean Elves are just Humans with pointy ears most of the time too.I you HAVE to only include one of them and you want pointers to decide which....>humans with like animal ears and tailsAre have obviously more of an anime flavor, while fully animalistic species would fit more into a classic western fantasy vibe. Going more beast-like would allow you give them more unique abilities, while you would expect cat-ear people be closer to humans in their abilities.
>>97330745Shit taste
Personally, I feel that non-furries put more effort into their art and it's more creative because of that.
>>97331265"True" furries for the mostpart are entirely creatively bankrupt and only serve as the Worlds greatest example of the principles of simulation-simulacra.
>>97331265>>97331300Furries try too hard to be unique instead of making a good design even if its not 100% nevah been dun befo
>>97330128Both.Preferably within the same race/species.Don't make it a matter of extreme sexual dimorphism.Both boys and girls can be furry or kemonomimi. Don't ever try to explain why some are one way or the other.Just let it happen.
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>>97331433It's good art and I like it, but at the end of the day you just put a suit on a bird.It works, but it's something I've seen thousands of times.
>>97330128I do both. Next question.
>>97330128Both is goodCome to think of it a lot of RPGs include either or both
>>97331489>every reply must be an argument, rather than just a continuation on a theme (Jacobin pigeons)
I'm a pussy so in my setting I chose both.The beastmen originally were basically a magic science experiment by the god of war to make more ferocious/specialized soldiers. They can interbreed with humans of others of their animal related genus, and possibly some of the other races due to an especially heavy mixing of genes (Most all the races are derived from the same primordial template taken from the corpse of a god). So how much animal is expressed is mostly based on how "pure" your bloodline has been kept. IE the ones with super heavy animal traits have family lines where it's mostly beastman on beastman breeding whereas if it's basically a human with ears, it's more safe to assume that tribe has likely been at least partially assimilated into humanity, as normal humans are the dominant mortal race.
>>97331552>No, how dare you argue on 4chan!!!!snowflake
>>97331489>yeah is good but you just put a suit on birds>Sees a girl with just cat ears and tails>WOAH OMG TRUE ART FR FR NO CAP
>>97331641I actually liked that winged lion>>97331599, I don't know what it is but it's cool
>>97331662>draw a girl>call it a lizard
>>97331662Great, I like that she's somewhere between a "furry" and a "catgirl".9/10
>>97330128Whichever you consider hotter.
>>97331700Cute
>>97330745>Yshtola couldn't possibly be any more asexual or aromantic.She's literally trying to invent multiverse travel so she can get dicked down by Runar again
>>97331705Based
full furry because I'm a degenerate fuck who likes fuzzy wahmen and want to pet them and kiss them lots and lots
>>97331711Wow, I can't read anything.
What do you guys think about this?Y/n
>>97330745>Yshtola couldn't possibly be any more asexual or aromantic.Retard moment.
>>97331713there's whole set of thosehttps://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=gujira+snakehttps://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=gujira+lizard
Execution is very important.
>>97331753This is the best one, it's the most lizard-like of them all
>>97331755True
Eastern artists tend to do both of them very well.
>>97330128Beast people are cool, but they've been ruined by furries and anime. Now they're basically little more than a red flag; if a story contains them, the author is an autistic pervert. End of story.I understand that they don't necessarily need to be associated with furfags or weeb cultures, but since they are, their inclusion in any setting is like building a house that has termites and I refuse to have them in my settings at all.
>>97331693it's an NPC I made and had commissioned for my campaign. Beast people that are also my settings version of nephilim/aasimar/tieflings usually end up looking like 'mythic' animals, in his case a griffon.
>>97331755left is better
Both are okay with me. Honestly, I correlate the lack of them or fantasy races altogether very strongly with being up your own ass in pretentiousness.
>>97331790They do them alright.
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>>97331859bnuuy
>>97331604>reading comprehension: 0retard
>>97330572Because despite the romanticization in your post, on an objective level it is cowardly and you can clearly see this admitted by artists and creators both in the west and east when asked or prompted to speak about it. Keeping to a mostly human look is for mass appeal/relatability combined with lacking of faith in engagement if the character doesn't look human enough.
>>97331943she got him eventually
>>97331988>it's cowardly because it doesn't cater to my fetish (for raping animals to death)I accept your concession
>97331999It's cowardly because most the time you can very clearly look and see creators say stuff like, "Originally we were going with this design, but according to marketing research we had to change it in the pursuit of the widest audience and our marketing team/research said so."
your anthros i mean beast races shoud look like this
>>97330572I love girls in pajamas
>>97331599>I'm based so in my setting I chose both.ftfy
>>97331248Nah, god tier taste on my end. I don't have your weaknesses.>>97331721>againThere wasn't even a first time. The only other way she could show her lack of interest in him in a romantic way or sexual way would be too cruel for her.>>97331752>he thinks Yshtola is anything but acePorn brain moment
If you don't live your life with the motto of "Where no man has gone before" in terms of hot chicks, can you even call yourself a man?
>>97332070>your anthros i mean beast races shoud look like thisYes, but only after also taking into consideration how fucking big tigers actually are.
>>97332212>.t Jared Fogle>SubWay: Eat Fresh
>>97332170>>he thinks Yshtola is anything but acet. Didn't play ShB
>>97332212So you're a pedophile and an animal rapist, got it.
>>97332433I can definitely tell you didn't play Shadowbringers, that's true lol
>>97332445>no u!I accept your concession
>>97332407the bot broke >>97332443Hey man, you're the one projecting. I said hot chicks and your mind defaulted to kids and wild animals lol
>>97332455Lmao, shut the fuck up and play the actual game.
>>97332461You're the one saying the only qualifier is "uncharted territory", which reveals a lot about yourself even if you didn't mean to
>>97332471You're still projecting bud
>>97332433>aceback to Discord or kill yourself
>>97332492That's a nice cope you've got there, animal rapist
>>97332470Whatever helps you sleep at night, ballmung RPscum
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>>97330526Ironic then that Beastmen are just humans corrupted into beast features (and raping).
Furries: boobs or no boobs?
>>97332625Depends on the type for me, mammals usually yes, reptiles, birbs, etc. is more iffy or case by case.
>>97332625Hyperboobs with neon nipples and three futacocks, just like my fursona OC uWu
>>97332625Always boobs, not because of sex, but because theyre sort of people so why wouldnt they?
>>97332625Boobs always. The reason is simple: the gods love boobs as much as I do.
>>97332351Depends whether or not they drink their milk.
>>97332351Your terms are acceptable.
>>97332625The real question is how many
>>973331182+.
>>97331790Anon, that's gay porn.
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>>97330128Anthro body + Human(like) face.
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>>97332064Why are you such a coward that you are unable to reply properly?not the anon you're failing to reply to, I just find this coward move hilarious in a conversation about cowards.
>>97333386Bro that's like going to a restaurant serving cuisine known for its spiciness and asking for all of your orders extra-mild.
>>97333507I think it mostly can look okay in some cases, like there. The real horror show though is when you get stuff like from that Cats movie, or how the Blacksad artist sometimes draws the women, where they look really uncanny.
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>>97333487It's an appropriate response to such a low quality poster. You can recognize that anons other posts in the thread pretty easily, as they are only capable of repeating the same animal rapist line over and over.
>>97332170What the fuck else could her "promise" be you dildo?
>>97333507It's the easiest way to have sexy half-naked furry chicks in your setting without anyone calling you a weirdo. Plus the normies will suddenly be able to emphasize with them, and give you all their money.
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>>97331988I think you're just making a projection that people can't exist on a sliding scale of how much they actually like.
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>>97333806Honestly, having a human face just makes it more difficult I think because weirdos would want to see them as equivalent to humans. Like, look at the history of beastfolk depictions and nobody bats an eye about what they wear or how they get treated. And then look at Orcs and Elves, the moment they started to become more and more human in portrayal and looks, people started bitching about them more and more when things were "improper".
>>97333822>>97333826>>97333831Did this ever get translated to completion?
>>97330128/tg/ is for traditional games. Furry "fandom" goes on >>>/trash/>>97330169FPBP, but they won't
>>97333880Yeah, it's fully translated. The author's pet character becomes really annoying to be honest, so it kinda shits the bed a bit. Monkey girl best girl.
>>97331834Cool
>>97331945Kys redditor
>>97330128It depends on the preferences of the audience for your setting, and your ability to incorporate those elements effectively for their entertainment.
>>97330128I dont do beast races. But I’ll do >flesh golems where sorcerors crudely attach boar and deer heads to tortured humans and set them loose in the lower levels of their towers to rip intruders to shreds in their existential agony>awakened/intelligent animals
>>97333560No, it's universally used by people who are afraid or shitposting.
>>97330128Traditional games?
>97333487>97334352because you don't deserve any (you)s
>>97334453Note, the user here is both afraid to be responded to AND is shitposting.He also values yous above his own dignity as a human, which is universal with these shitposter types.
Should catgirls be exclusively obligate or "true" carnivores with a diet that requires nutrients found only in animal flesh, lacking the necessary physiology required to fully digest plant matter?
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>>97334541It should be noted that the vast majority of animals are omnivores. There are very few true herbivores in existence. Even creatures like deer and rabbits don't have any aversion to eating meat, and they'll predate if the opportunity presents itself.
>>97334539>>97334541Since humanoids have larger brains that require constant glucose, a strict meat diet might be too "expensive" for a developing civilization. Still, not a bad way to subvert the trope.
>>97332064>too cowardly to actually replyThat's animal rapists for you. Projecting and kvetching is all they know.
>>97333806>Plus the normies will suddenly be able to emphasize with them>emphasize with themI am doing the emphasizing needfully saar pls donut reddem the catgrill you will surely get the klarkland saaar
>>97332131Wtf what's wrong with your orb?
>>97330128Why not both?
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>>97330128I'm divided. On one hand, I want my setting to have a great diversity of species and civilizations, so that if you go outside of the Designated Classic Fantasy Europe, you'll encounter anything from just cat-and-jackal-people Egypt to freaky shit that more resembles Teraurge than anything. On another, it feels like a nightmare to balance every eventuality of body sizes and features and so on, especially in terms of gear. How do you make it so people don't munchkin the fuck out of the game by saying their character is Thrumbo Generic, elephant man from far south-east, who is big and hefty enough that, once he's got the cash for it, he can cover himself in armor that'd render anything that isn't magic, a collapsing building, or a bigger Thrumbo, and club every combat encounter in the part of the world not structured around existence of Thumbos? How do you explain it not being somewhat in-vogue among rich enough rulers, to import Thrumbos, cover them in armor, and use them as shock troops?
>>97330128Purebloods are furriesHalfbreeds are cat girlsAnyone whining about OP's image is a cock-sucking, cum-guzzling, dick up the ass homosexual.
>>97336842>How do you make it so people don't munchkin the fuck out of the game by saying their character is Thrumbo Generic, elephant man from far south-east, who is big and hefty enough that, once he's got the cash for it, he can cover himself in armor that'd render anything that isn't magic, a collapsing building, or a bigger Thrumbo, and club every combat encounter in the part of the world not structured around existence of Thumbos? How do you explain it not being somewhat in-vogue among rich enough rulers, to import Thrumbos, cover them in armor, and use them as shock troops?Isn't that basically how the real world worked? Carthage occupied southern Italy for like fifteen years because Hannibal managed to bring a load of elephants across the Alps, and Rome didn't have an answer to them.
>>97332508Alrighy bud, that's enough projection out of you. Stay away from any parks.>>97332510Literally only cumbrains from Balmung think Yshtola isn't ace>>97333621The same promise everyone else made to someday come back and visit the friends they made and help with restoring the realm.
>>97336842Why must an anthropomorphic elephant be as big as an elephant? They really don't have to be, and it would be very silly to make them as giant as an elephant. Why arent the rich people using giants from the north? Its the same thing as using an elephant man but you might bet sweet elemental powers alongside great strength.Loxo, literal elephant people but with two trunks (not to be confused with the Loxodon from MtG who replaced them in 5e), are already a D&D species. They max out at just under 8 ft. >>97330128>Is it better to have fully anthropomorphic beast people in your settings or just humans with like animal ears and tails?Humans with animal ears and tails are always unique human mutants resulting from extraplanar blood, one-off extremely magical mixings, or lycanthropes of some variety. Rakshasa lineage, agathion heritage, and other animalesque angels, devils, and other things from the Great Beyond are generally the majority way for most humans (and elves, dwarves, etc) to express "kemonomimi" looks. They are not a race or species, they are strange mutants.Lycanthropy does not present as "kenomomimi" but as strange mixings of animal and humanoid. Differentiating a lycanthrope in human form is hard but possible. It is their hybrid form that truly gives the game away and they are definitely not some UwU pretty anime girl with animal ears and a tail.The various beastfolk of the world, amurrans, iruxi, ysoki, and others, very strongly resemble their more feral cousins. An amurran is very much a cat but humanoid, a ysoki is very much a rat but humanoid, and so on. There are very rare instances of a child being born to the mixing of certain beastfolk with humans and elves (never with dwarves or gnomes). None look like kemonomimi silliness, instead being more like one parent than the other.All of this is to say, fuck anime bullshit and kemonomimi. If I'm going to use catfolk, lizardmen, and rat people, they better be "animals".
>>97337241>Only official D&D 5e lore can be used!!!Cringe
>>97337260Why are you retarded? Its an example of elephant people and solves the retarded issue of the poster. Why arent they worrying about giants in armor but elephant people, who could be anywhere from human sized to not, is suddenly a problem?
>>97337241You're in the wrong site, wrong board and wrong thread if you hate anime.
>>97330128Anthro is superior to humans with ears.
>>97337098Kind of, if you had money for elephants you'd get elephants. But I don't want my setting to revolve about Thrumbos, I want variance, I want them to show up as exotic, rare mercenaries outside of their natural habitation range, and be a fairly sight within that range.And this isn't even specifically a Thrumbo-people issue. Obviously some people will always pick humans, some will always pick elves, which I intently design to be an everpresent metaphorical cockroach race, but there'll always be a subset of people who do care about doing well in the hitting-people department, and when one race is objectively heads and shoulders superior in that because they're elephant people, or whale people, or giants, or Discworld trolls, they'd feel like they're missing out on free stats by not making a whale-man. And I don't want to lock in that kind of people to playing whales.There's also that if you can hire a hundred giants as a mercenary company and crumple notably numerically bigger human armies, because you have giants you can afford armor and arms for, already annoying logistics of fantasy war become even more annoying. >>97337241>Why must an anthropomorphic elephant be as big as an elephant?Why mustn't it be? It's an elephant-person, not an orc with gray skin. It could a bit smaller than an elephant, but still. The whole point of the variance and diversity of options I want is that you can, if you'd like, make a three-foot-tall kobold, or five-foot-tall dwarf, a six-foot-tall human, or seven-foot-tall undersea elf, or an eight-foot-tall gnoll, or a 'nine-foot-tall', give or take, naga, or ten-foot-tall minotaur, or eleven-foot-tall elephant. The farther they are from their home turf, the harder it should be to justify them being there at all, barring everpresent elves and goblins, and they still should have mechanical advantages and disadvanteges to their unique nature - since otherwise you're creating worthless diversity and variance of zero depth.
>>97337295I dont hate anime, I hate kemonomimi. Fighters should be pulling off anime bullshit at high levels, and stealing stuff from good anime is a time honored tradition for DMs. But absolutely fuck kemonomimi and the weird childish losers who love it. Only the deeply autistic or literal manchildren like it.>>97337338>It's an elephant-person, not an orc with gray skin.Why do you picture an orc when they are self evidently going to have an elephants head that looks nothing like an orc? Seriously, take a look at a loxodon or loxo from D&D, they are absolutely not a fucking orc despite topping out at 8ft tall.>eleven-foot-tall elephant. Oh no! Three whole feet taller than D&Ds version, which bumps them to large size and changes little else.>should have mechanical advantages and disadvanteges to their unique natureOf course, why do you think anybody is arguing otherwise? Are you being retarded and thinking that a species must be both physically and mechanically unique to have a place in a setting? It is perfectly fine to have overlap in mechanics and physical nature. Two, or more, races/species/ancestries that are in the 7 to 8 ft range is absolutely fine. Same with smaller ones. Hell, most playable races are of average 6 ft height and nobody complains.>And I don't want to lock in that kind of people to playing whalesPF2e solved this by making a significant aspect of your stats be from other sources than your race. Yes, if you want a minmaxed warrior your going to take a strength based race, this is the nature of having mechanics; but having multiple ones with varying other stats such as str/int, str/wis, or just a simple str race with no other bonuses or penalties helps spread this "problem" so that players arent locked into one obvious race of power hitters.It sounds to me like you want your elephants to be incredibly strong and consequently the obvious power hitter race. Dotn do that. Its that simple.
>>97330128Whatever gets furfaggots off my table
Thanks for the great discussion /tg/
>animal rapist is also a bumpfagSad!
>>97337419>Why do you picture an orc when they are self evidently going to have an elephants head that looks nothing like an orc? Seriously, take a look at a loxodon or loxo from D&D, they are absolutely not a fucking orc despite topping out at 8ft tall.Jeez, man, I dunno, maybe because the post I replied to said 'well, DnD's elephant people are eight feet tall!' and making a fucking elephant person be eight feet tall feels like you're taking an orc, painting him gray, and sticking a trunk and ears on him as to make him look like an elephant. Lackluster. Might as well reduce all your elves to being just humans with slightly sharp ears. Loxo also on average are like seven-ish feet tall. Which means that if you spray-paint an orc gray, and stick an elephant fursuit head on him, you'd get a close Loxo approximation. That's incredible, it's certainly the variance I want to see. To achieve an approximation of a goblin, I will find a 4'10 woman and dunk her into a bath full of rubbing alcohol and green sharpies.>Oh no! Three whole feet taller than D&Ds version, which bumps them to large size and changes little else.>DnD rulesReal patricians convert WoD, and didn't you just complain that it's silly to make elephants bigger? Pick a lane. Also, it's the height of actual elephants. They'd be less heavy due to being bipedal, but that's still a huge bitch, way bigger than eight feet tall. A natural walking tank if it shows up in parts of the world where the average height is six feet; and that's perfectly fine, but the point is finding the fine line separating 'natural walking tanks exist in-setting' and 'every well-off army is made up of giant troops of some sort'.>Are you being retarded and thinking that a species must be both physically and mechanically unique to have a place in a setting? You seem to presume and read really heavily into things to get upset at them for making statements or claims that aren't actually there.
