Previous: >>97324084I love my multicolored daughter edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the ruleshttps://mtgcommander.net">committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to thehttps://www.edhrec.com">internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and cardhttps://www.archidekt.com">choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen colorhttps://managathering.com">identityhttps://managathering.com>Cardhttps://scryfall.com">searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdMTQ:Lorwyn Eclipsed, best set of all time or just best set of the last 3 years?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>TQNot going to lie, I like these flip commanders that you are meant to constantly transform every turn. Seem dynamic, at least to me.The rest of the set doesn't set my world on fire.
>>97330904I wish you could cast either side
>>97330926It would have been nice, but its not a deal breaker.
>>97330941It makes more sense with the fucking flavor.The whole point is that Lorwyn and Shadowmoor are two parts of the same whole and constantly in flux. Doesn't make sense for one side to have to come first.
Did one of you faggots write this? The beta redditard fears the Queen of Green.
>>97330960>shit players get beaten by shit and whine about itMore news at 11
>>97330960I think having reddit cookies in your browser should be an instant permaban on this site, so no.
Reminder free value slop is never interesting and if you disagree youre niggerbrained
>>97330983I don't accept cookies on my phone.
>>97331014What a sane thing to say.
>>97331014Yes, this is why Gitaxian Probe needs a ban
>>97330846boy i hate omenpaths
>>97331014Wtf ban it!
>Duel Commander rules and ban list>but with 80 card decks (easier to shuffle, and more consistent while still being fun, also makes mill realistic which is usually made difficult by 100 card decks)>no off color fetches>25 lifeWhat do you think of my format?
>>97331068didn't Duel just shit itself? i went into the site some other day and they unbanned imperial seal, emrakul, back to basics and a heap of other insane stuff
All mana rocks are deleted from reality. Would EDH be better or worse?
What commander or partner pairing should I build to best emulate these two strong women?
>>97331096No. People would just play the most powerful cheap dorks.
>>97331096It becomes green kingdom. Splash green = win. Don't = lose.
God I miss Rebecca Guay art
>>97331096But I like stuffing my mono black rats with mana rocks.
>>97331117do I have news for you!
>>97330846>Lorwyn Eclipsed, best set of all time or just best set of the last 3 years?I have no idea.
>>97331106Imagine the smell while they savagely scissor
>>97330846The art feels far more disney adjacent than original lorwyn/shadowmoor but the merfolk still do stuff when they tap so I can live with this set.
>>97331074I am totally happy with the unbanning of all the nonbasic land hate. Nonbasic lands are simply too powerful in eternal formats.
the 2 Reaper King players that exist will love this
>>97331068>Only I can save commander
>>97330846>Lorwyn Eclipsed, best set of all time or just best set of the last 3 years?Its really hard to get into this when no one really knows or cares about the characters. Ive been playing MTG for a long time. My first product was the Blast from the Past precon. I asked my playgroup if theyd heard of Oko and I showed them the full art card. The guy who plays Tifa at our table nearly puked he was so upset about the art. No one has heard about Oko or really knows anything about him. Someone recognized him as a character from OTJ which seems correct. I guess hes kind of the new Loot and hes just going to be shoehorned into various planes now starting with Lorwyn. UB sets are better because at least the story exists amd the characters are easier to remember
>>97331315I just know him as the banned guy from Eldraine
>>97331270No they won't
>>97331270God yes I fucking do>proliferate it up>wipe everyone's landsI'm fucking cumming at the idea of it
>>97330960>0 upvotesseems like you share the reddit opinion
>>97331315See, the funny thing to me about the point you're trying to make is that I'd literally never heard of Tifa before people in this thread started posting about her card and I still don't actually know who she is.
>>97331315>Its really hard to get into this when no one really knows or cares about the characters.UBpiggy>Ive been playing MTG for a long time.For about 6 months.>My first product was The Final Fantashit precon.
still think she's neat. lot of suggestions saying just put in big beaters and lifelink them up, but I dunno, seems very fragile.and you know, diving top to deck manipulate.
>>97331367>>Ive been playing MTG for a long time.>For about 6 months.>>My first product was>The Final Fantashit precon.Hmmm seems like maybe you dont know mtg as well as you thought, anon
>>97331381God its even worse than i thought
>>97331376>Manipulating topNah. Just going to build her as a 3 and have fun. If i'm going to go all in to win hard I'd just player a different better boros commander.
>>97331350Homie's been living under a rock for 30 years
>>97331401yeah, i aint interested in paying 30 bucks, or even proxying the card, when shes just going to be another casual deck.
>>97331435I don't think she's going to be 30 dollars. Winota is miles ahead of her as far as free value and she's not even 5.
>>97331367stop falling for the troll anon
>>97331449I meant divining top. I cant imagine any rare from the set going for more than 2$ after prerelease.
>>97331315>The guy who plays Tifa at our table nearly puked he was so upset about the artwell he clearly doesn't know shit about FF then i saw way more beefcake in the opening act of FF10
How does everyone store/sort their cards? I've got like 10 bundle boxes with more cards on top of them
>>97331502Bulk are in those big multi row cardboard boxes. Rares over 5 dollars are in a binder, and all cards over 20 dollars are in another smaller binder. Cards worth 80 dollars or more are in picrels in a fireproof lockbox
>>97331502You don't wanna see how I store my bulk
>>97331528Based
>>97331502Bulk in boxes:Enchantment/Enchantment Creatures /Creatures/Artifact Creatures/Artifacts/Instant/Sorcery, all alphabeticalR and MR in penny sleeves, C and UC unsleevedOthers go in the binder
Do you ever think about how in the magic universe some wizard can design an object of arcane power to produce mana indefinitely but for all practical purposes he’d have been better off with just a really huge pile of gemstones?
>>97331068>Doesn't ban blatant pie breaks like permanent blue removalWhats the point of your hypothetical format again?
>>97331689I think that from what we've seen, "a really huge pile of gemstones" is some treasures, and the mana producing gems are something particularly special. also (We) are in a very different frame of reference for mana access and spending than people within planes.
>>97331689You can't just go with any random gem. Stuff like moxes are rare, why do you think planeswalkers were fighting over them and other mana-rich regions left and right? The best way to get mana is mana-bonding with lands. It's efficient, it's reliable, and most importantly, it's the simplest and easiest method, there's a good reason every single plane arrives at it on their own.
>>97331740>Constantly fightingThe one and only real resource conflict in MtG history was Brothers' War.>PhyrexiansBecause they're ebil and want to turn the world chrome>EldraziBecause they're ebil and want to turn the world colorless>VulvamothBecause he's ebil and wants to turn the world into low-income housing>BolasBecause he's sexually repressed and wants to get fucked by Ugin
>>97331381
>>97331783There were more conflicts then these, you know. There was a whole thing with Jared Carthalion and Kristina of the Woods fighting Ravidel over a bunch of moxes. There was the whole war in Madara over leylines because Bolas (then an oldwalker) was so powerful he couldn't even manifest without powerful terrain. The Kami War in Kamigawa started because Konda stole a huge chunk of mana from the kami realm, Memnarch was building a gigantic machine to harness the fifth sun of Mirrodin in an attempt to give himself a spark, on and on and on...Hell, even the War of the Spark was only possible because Bolas invaded Amonkhet beforehand, *specifically* to get his hands in a resource that would allow for his plan (lazotep).
>>97331709>>97331740No but youre not understanding. You can make something like an Arcane Signet right, and get 1 colored mana pretty regularly indefinitely right?But you don’t NEED indefinite mana. Treasure can give you 1 colored mana. So instead of investing arcane energies into crafting an Arcane Signet, a big old pile of gem stones would probably meet most of your magical needs
Name a good commander.Pro-tip: You can't
>>97331899Mine
>>97331899Napoleon
>>97331806>>97331391Please stop making fun of The Professor. Hes a nice guy and just wants to help people with his charity. He has a keen wit and he enjoys janky B1 decks which is soul! Also his hairline looks great for a man his age.
>>973318461 treasure is already a pile of gemstones.
>>97331937If he wants to help people he probably shouldn’t give money to a charity that has to remove its own founders for embezzling
>>97331971I can be 1 gemstone, see the Wilds of Eldraine treasure token
>>97331846>mana is stored in the gems
top 5 cards of the set, name 'em MtGchuds
>>97331846Why do you assume magically charged gemstones are so easy to come by that they can trivially replace Arcane Signets for the purpose of everyday casting? I don't want to spend a couple hours first thing every morning trudging through a mine, hitting rocks with sticks, just so I can collect the mana I need to for my Bigsby's Bountiful Brunch.
>>97331117And Terese NielsenAnd Phil/Kaja FoglioAnd Harold McNeillAnd D. Alexander GregoryAnd Scott Kirschner
>>97332030Everyone is losing their shit about this card in CEDH. So this is number 1.43 dollars and its not even released.
>>97332089yeah I'd definitely put that in the top 3 for sure
>>97331846getting mana from a treasure is an abstraction for resources you're paying/extracting/etc from the equivalent of "a pile of money"also, notably, it only works once while permanent mana rocks give you recurring resources.thus, why would you try and invent the next sky diamond or sol ring (canonically the entire power packed taste of sunny D in a single artifact)? because they provide the abstracted equivalent of treasure every ""turn."" this is "why would I invest instead of spending my money"we don't know how long a turn is meant to be, even if you pretend it's a planar year or something, that's still one <pile of treasure> equivalent of mana a year.
>>97332089>even considering pre order prices, let alone taking them seriouslyyou fucking moron, that card will top at $5, foil.
>>97332030Here's one
>>97332116I think it will follow the same price trajectory as Redirect lightning, ie it will be a $10-$15 card.
>>97332159Now that I think about it actually, the fact it's a goblin means every goblin fag will want one too, and there are a ton of old school and noob goblin deck users out there.
>>97331783>eldraziI dunno man I thought they made it pretty clear it wasn't really anything actively malicious on the eldrazi's part. they got pulled from the blind eternities and just existing on a plane fucked it up.
>>97332089CEDH interest doesn't dictate card prices, it's only a tiny subsect of EDH players, similar to how trannies are only a tiny subsect of the general global population
>>97332180I mean it kinda does but only indirectly. Commander players have no self-control and try to run as many busted cards as possible, and cEDH expects you to run every busted card.Now I don't think this particular card will end up very expensive because it only works in settings where the only available form of interaction is stack interaction (i.e. cEDH and nowhere else), but it is a bit interesting to think about.
>>97332079Idk how you acquired this but it never fails to amuse me
>>97332247remember when he first said how he'd never do ads and hated being corporate etc.look at him now gleefully advertising whatever bs pays his rent
>>97332247it's just a frame from one of his videos, isn't it?
>>97332259And Im sure youre a regular Mr. Roark
>>97332089This card is awful, redditors are so bad at card evaluation it's unreal.
I need to remove 6 removal, and add 3 more ramp and draw, right? Mana curve is also 3.77 which is kind of high. Just a janky deck I'm crunchy up, first iteration.
If I clone a legendary creature with one of the "except it's not legendary" clones, then I clone the clone/token, is the clone of the clone/token still not legendary? Just trying to figure out if it's worth running Mirror Room // Fractured Reality .
>>97332334>I need to remove 6 removal, and add 3 more ramp and draw, right?Yes, and you better fix your ratios quick lest maro teleports to your doorstep and shoots you in the knees for the crime of diverging from the sacred ratios.
>>97332353cloning a nonlegendary clone is also nonlegendary, yes
>>97331502>How does everyone store/sort their cards?
>>97332396I figured but who knows with this game sometimes thanks fren
>was hoping for more mutavault token makers or something similar >was hoping for "figure of ~" cycle>was hoping for similar art direction to the original lorwyn/shadowmoor>was hoping for more story development regarding Oona, instead of just her body double >instead, got plenty of mechanics that make huge sense in this setting, such ad: affinity/convoke/DFCs/hogwarts drop outstotally worth it guys
>>97332353Yes.>707.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, counters, and stickers are not copied.Legendary is a supertype, and thus copyable, and Spark Double sets it to non-legendary, which would get copied by other clone effects.
>>97331502>>97331556Thought I'd post as well
>>97332417>>was hoping for more mutavault token makers or something similarWell I'm fucking glad that didn't happen. That shit fucking sucks, alchemy ass mechanic.
>>97332417>was hoping for similar art direction to the original lorwyn/shadowmoorThere's no way you really thought that would happen though, right?
>>97332388>Yes, and you better fix your ratios quickRatios?
>>97332306>2 drop that can't be countered and makes everything not able to be countered >No good.Okay retard.
>>97332515>every pod is full of counterspells.exegrow up
>>97332417>hogwarts drop outskek
>>97331074Duel shit itself because wotc put it onto mtgo for tournament grinders to start playing. Surprise, they solved the format pretty damn fast and the banlist had to adjust. Now the same thing is happening to premodern. All these meme formats get exposed as the shallow kiddie pools they are once put under a microscope by people who are actually trying to break shit and win. The circle of 30 idiots on discord who played the formats before never really had any idea what they were doing.
>>97332594do you know what your typical cedh playgroup looks like
>>97332431>>97332402Delete this
I just want Grand Abolisher effect on an enchantment is that too much to ask?
Fun Times WEnchantmentPlayers can't play spells or activate abilities.
>best set>its actually garbageIs OP retarted? Genuinely confused here as maybe 3 of the spoiled cards so far even approach interesting. It aint even Lorwyn its a strixhaven field trip with some of the least inspired mechanics ive ever seen.
>>97332718
>>97332729With Non-Binary They/Them Owl Frizz?! No way!
>>97331528I use those for some of my commanders. Can't fit in a deck box though which is annoying
Hey which one of you guys had the "Fatebears" deck headed by Klothys? I wanted a list! Also post your fucking decks
>>97332089How is electro, voice of victory and frenzied baloth in cedh right now?
>>97332402soul
>>97332089No one in cedh is losing their shit about this
Is there any merit do doing legends/historics matter in a RGW token deck?My deck has 20 legends, 3 sagas, and 4 nonlegend artifacts, and with planned additions that number should hit at least 30 historics in total.
look at the cool foil cards that came with mail today! :3
>>97332900>Animist's Might.I like that one in my big fight pile deck.
>>97332999its a great card. I play it in my mono green casal deck. almost always its a removal spell for just one mana
>>97331502In binders and in deck boxes. I'm going for the 32 deck challenge and trying to get rid of cards in my binders slowly in the process. Most of these binders are probably only 50% full.
>>97332861VoV is a staple now.
>>97332861>>97333058also meant spider-punk, not electro.
Damn some of those commander card reprints are nice>Cream of the crop>Selvala>Kindred Summons>Evolution Sage>OmnathWish they had different arts though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4uS2du92f4wtf?
Why wouldnt vov be a staple its busted
>avatar draft>lol funny earth ending and +1 counter synergies>win every single gameis it usable in edh without resorting to the most degenerate combos? my group is very low bracket 3 (i.e budget goodstuff piss)
>>97333105bending, not ending. I'm asking about earth bending
>>97332861>>97333068>Spider PunkYou don't want to protect your opponents win attempt >Frenzied BalothHeavy on green pips and only protect one type of spell on the stack
>>97333100Because grand abolisher is better.
>>97333087Maybe like 100 dollars in pulls lmao. I hope the collector boxes drop in price, but I doubt many were printed. Hardly any chase cards in this set.
>>97333127so no presence in cedh at all?
>>97333128> doesnt generate tokensYikes / wrong
>>97333140Yes. I think the main reason Hexing Squelcher is making noise in cEDH right now is because it just make going first in turn order even better. It also presents a question do you run more counterspells or spot removal to counter it.
>>97333087guess he scheduled the video drop incorrectly>"I hope you play in the prerelease next week"guess not
>>97333173do cedh decks generally not run edict effects?
>>97333199No because the top 5 cards are all artifacts or enchantments, and wincons occur on the stack.
>>97333220it sounds like a miserable experience every time i hear about it.
How does Cryptek work with Platinum Angel? Its a delayed trigger, so if someone wraths while you are at -100 what happens?>cryptek taps and activates in response to wrath>platinum angel is gets the delayed trigger>wrath resolves>P angel dies, delayed trigger goes on the stack>lose because you are at -100Is that right?
>>97333388I believe that is correct, SBA will see that you're dead before the trigger resolves.
>>97333138yea I mean its early to really have an overview over some of the sets card prices but you must be mentally ill or have too much money to buy collector boosters
>>97333388yes, cryptek and all of those other effects (undying evil, the auras that do this, etc) create a trigger that goes on the stack. like every other trigger, it goes on the stack, state based actions are checked, then everyone gets priority, and it resolves once everyone passes. you die once SBAs realize you're negative.
I want to like Lorwyn Eclipsed more, but there's a big part of me that feels like it's a 6/10 set and every other set this year will be worse.Pic unrelated
>>97333442I feel like ive transcended caring about sets. Now I just proxy all the good shit every six months or so
>>97333442Star Trek will be best set this year
>>97333442Sometime over the years people must have gaslit themselves into believing Lorwyn wasn't like this the first time. Not singling out you in particular but I saw tons of anons clamoring to come back to this plane for years and now that we're here it's the same as it ever was. Lorwyn 1.0 was pile of different tribal synergy cards and this set seems like it's more of the same. It's clear from the response so far and the decklists I've seen posted over the last year here that most anons don't have a tribal deck. This is a set for the tribalfags which /edhg/ clearly is not.
>>97333127>you dont want to protect your opponents....>defense grid sees more play than any of these cardsMkay fella
>>97333442I'm seeing a lot of f"un" goblins To sex up
>>97333442Its genuinely not a good set at all. Looks and feels nothing like lorwyn. Just a random mishmash of things. BAD! bad mechanics too!!! Uninspired! >>97333485Probably true. EOE was really good so maybe it'll not be shit
OG planeswalkers were so cool
>>97330904This is the best one imo. Ashling basically does nothing
>>97333520Everyone will hate blight
Blight is just more flexible Exploit. Prove me wrong.
>>97333513Is the implication here that she spits on the bread
>>97333528Sygg isn't awful
>>97333505Tribal is racist. There are no tribes only kithkindred
>>97333554My shaman deck got fucking shafted because of that pc nonsense
star trek will be all about SPACESHIPS, STATIONS, PLANETS, AND BATTLES GET HYPE
>>97333530Yeah cause its GARBAGE. Its too slow to do anything.>>97333539Youre retarded. Its Friday night get a hobby.
Q of course will be a planeswalker commander
>>97333569ZOMG STAR TREK VS 40K SO EPIC
Mr Bean UB when?
Star Trek is my third most anticipated set this year. Lorwyn > Reality Fracture > Star Trek. I have apathy for everything else, including the return to TEMU Harry Potter. Notably, it ranks below a jpg with text that we know nothing about.
What will his card do?
2026 sets ranked from best to worst:TrekReality FractureThe HobbitLorwynStrixhavenTurtlesCapeshit
>>97333619Functional reprint of Shahrazad
>>97333528I legitimately don't know what they were thinking with Ashling. A legendary mana dork that doesn't have any synergies for either increasing the amount of mana gained or producing it multiple times.
>>97333566They weren't doing class tribal this time, anyway. You still would only have gotten synergies from the generic tribal cards.
>>97333619an alt win con based on increasing his intelligence, either in the form of bespoke counters, or reaching a certain amount of modifications equipped/enchanted to him
>>97333639>Functional reprint of ShahrazadFucking based if so
>>97331018phone posting should be a bannable offense
Honestly how do people defend such an egregious card effect as this? You just KNOW if there was a 3 mana card that said something like "Your opponents can't search their libraries for the rest of the game." all the cEDH niggers would be up in arms and rioting. Fuck this semen-slurping format.
>>97333706i feel like this is bait or false flagging or something, and i say that as someone who dislikes the card.
>>97333706Uh oh melty
>>97331937This but unironically
>>97333706She has sexy legs so I run her
>>97333706You can counter it.You can remove itIf you deck can only win through massive lifegain, your own fault.
>>97333442Marvel will have some pushed Timmyshit that will make it more popular than it has any right to be (especially if WOTC aren't retards and understand Marvelfatigue is a very real thing and they release the other Infinity Stones in the set instead of spreading them out across 5 more goddamn Marvel sets).Star Trek will be artifact heavy which is already the most favored deck type among basic bitches so it'll be highly praised.Hobbit will be quirky with lots of shit like food and the first massive dwarf support the game has gotten in decades which will make it popular.Reality Fracture will be absolutely dogshit in every regard but it will have a lot of busted cards so that'll help sell it.Turtles will flop.
is there a better feeling than wasting money on shiny cards?
>>97333770Cracking shiny cards.
>>97333764>Marvelfatigue is a very real thingI watched some random show on youtube today and they said WotC was 5 or maybe 10 years too late to the Marvel train. Which is extremely true
>>97333782sealed products are a waste of money
>>97333793That's why its sweeter to get one than it is just to buy one.Money won is sweeter than money earned.
>>97333798I dont know. I bought a foil sol ring the other day for 3€. sol rings in foil are cool ok?how much money would I need to invest in order to find a foil sol ring in a sealed product?
>>97333505Maybe if the tribes weren't the most boring shit imaginable and actually had distinct cohesive mechanics that build off each other beyond generic "Other tribal creatures get ward/+1/cost reduction/etc">zomg generic dragons that do everything>zomg busted merfolk play lands draw cards and +1 and tokens>zomg flavorless multiracial elves that ramp and +1 and tokens>zomg flavorless multiracial goblins that +1 and haste and tokens>zomgzomgbies that draw and +1 and tokens>zomg job title tribal that draw and +1 and tokens Call me when they release a set of cute angels or catgirls or bunnygirls.
>>97333793My riftbound origins box is paying for my next riftbound set box and the next magic box I want. Maybe just get better at cracking packs bitch
>>97333505Lorwyn was nothing like this.
>>97333825be honest: how many times before you have opened that box have you opened packs that were worthless and a loss?
>>97333819>cute angelsBest I can do.
>>97333819>Tribe are shit>Let me know what they release just trash weeb garbageImagine having tastes this bad.
>>97333789It's been almost 10 years since end game. I know that doesn't sound that long to the middle aged uncs who make up the majority of mtgs playerbase but that is a goddamn long time. Imagine if in 2011 wizards decided to make numetal sets around Korn and Linkin Park because of how popular that shit had been in 2001. If the Spiderman set had've dropped in 2015/2016 it probably would've sold gang busters because Spiderman hype was at its peak those years due to him finally being depicted in Marvel films. Meanwhile flash forward to today and nobody gives a fuck anymore and Holland has been flirting with retiring from the character. Wizards is way behind the curve on everything, even their whole sjw shit and pronouns are 6-7 years behind when the public still found that shit respectable. It really does feel like a grandpa game.
>>97333819bro this isn't /a/
>>97333840>shamanUm sorry sweatie but that's a racist typal that's been retired
>>97333819what exactly do you want a tribe to do?
>>97333858>It's been almost 10 years since end gameRounding up a bit there bud
>>97333885suck this dick
>>97333819You can make a tribe whatever you want through proxies.
>>97332846Get better deck boxes
>>97333916>needing to protect a shit commander card.
Bad Luck Agent 4BCreature - Human AssassinReveal this creature as you are searching a library you own. For the rest of the game, whenever a player searches their library, you control that player for the rest of the game.1/1
>>97333833I paid 30 bucks for the box and the proving grounds from all of my other winnings cause I only pull gas. I haven't paid for a pack in a looooong time. Get better luck nerd
>>97333919I protect all my cards
>>97333916>he says posting some generic 10 dollar one from amazon
>>97333993>he doesn’t post one at all
Got another two hour control game in with this deck. Hard to get a good litmus of how the deck was actually doing as I landed a turn 4 smothering tithe that just never left the board, but it was satisfying playing draw-go for an entire slog of a game.Had out Counterbalance with Scroll Rack, Opposition to tap down aggro creatures, and repeated flicker/bounce to recycle creatures that counter on ETB. But I would've liked to see a game where the table realized sooner what was happening and tried to actually break out. A lot of selfish board development plays that made them easy to single out.
>>97332859This one? I haven't updated it in a while at this point, but have a whole stack of cards on my desk that I really need to evaluate as possible additions.
WIZARDS OF THE COAST HAS RELEASED THE IDEAL SKELETON TRIBAL COMMANDERIt's even an enchantment in the command zone instead of a creature, making it resistant to removal.HOWEVERIt's a mechanically unique Secret Lair commander. Additionally, it's part of Secret Lair commander PRECON, with 95 cards that you already own. Only 4 cards (other than the commander) have unique art, and these are the only cards worth any money and these are the only cards you don't own.Additionally, it's a Universes Beyond secret lair drop for some furry shit like Twokinds (but with skeletons to celebrate black pride month and mexican day of the dead or something). Only the commander card and the 4 money cards even have Universes Beyond art, so the deck isn't even thematically consistent.You purchasing? How bad do you want that skeleton commander, bro?
>>97334063Proxy with doot doot skeltal as the art.
>>97334063>It's a mechanically unique Secret Lair commander.Who cares? I'll proxy it anyway
>>97334063I'm just going to proxy it and make it a goblin no matter what it is.
>>97334107awful
>>97334112Yes, the bottle should be between her ass cheeks
>>97334063I'm not a poorfag and I have standards so I'll just wait for the inevitable in-universe reprint
>>97334107God I fucking love goblins
>>97334078>>97334096>>97334107>>97334136Unfortunately, due to poor sales and poor reception, wotc has decided that people just aren't interested in skeletons as a tribe.As part of their continued effort to reduce the number of creature types, Skeletons have been errata'd to Zombies.On the bright side, you now have a ton of generically strong cards you can put into your Zombie deck.
>>97334154The issue with skeletons is that they aren't a real tribe and would need to be rebuilt from stage 1. There is little reason to play skeletons over zombies.
>>97334154>Skeletons have been errata'd to ZombiesDon't even joke about that.
>>97334154You need to actually give us skeletons in the first place before you can not have sales.
>>97334158I think the current standard deck of skeletons-as-token (like a black saproling) is the best iteration they've had as a unified tribe FACT
>>97334154>Skeletons have been errata'd to Zombies...good? That makes skeletons playable.
>>97334183Tell skeletists to play zombies and watch how they bristle.
>>97334107Is this really attractive to you? God damn.
>>97334194>he doesn't want to fuck goblinsgay
>keeps putting broken cards >calculator still says it's bracket 2
>>97334183its not the same, nigga! pic really related
>>97334160Cephalid players in shambles
>>97334217Explain the meaningful difference between a skeleton and a zombie. They should just both be Creature - Undead.
>>97334194Wouldn't make it if it wasn't, but I'll spare you from more.
>>97334239That's how every other fuckin game does it, goddammit
>>9733084950 cards is superior to 100
>>9733425050 cards, 20 life, still have a commander. 1v1 games. Sounds comfy
Can Arcane Signet and Felwar Stone create colorless mana?
>>97334269Are you asking if colorless is a color?
>>97334269No. Colorless mana is colorless. Duh.
>>97333505I remember. Everyone hated Lorwyn for a reason. Everyone deluded themselves and retconned history, pretending it was a beloved block and plane when it absolutely never was. It was also hated for introducing Planeswalker cards.
>>97333505>>97334288Rhystic Study (youtuber) said it was good.
>>97334269>used to combo with this and Dockside>my playgroup never caught onWhoops
>>97333505>>97334288People loved the flavor, not the mechanics. They shouldn't have leaned quite so hard on trying to recreate the latter.
>>97333570It absolutely is though. Retard!
>>97334323I distinctly remember everyone also hating the flavor, the weird tribes, the art direction, and everyone whined about it being underpowered with boring mechanics. The block was hated more than Kamigawa.
>get to 0 life with vorpal blade>repay in kindDamn thats gold
>>97334338Post your ID anon :) I dont think you were over 5 when lorwyn came out.
>>97334338I always thought the lorwyn art was absolutely ugly.
>>97334348doesn't work the way you think it does
>>97334371it would work if Tony DiTerlizzi had total art control
>>97334311that's right, and i always make my options from ytubers. yes sir.
>>97334311Spice8rack also said he lives lorwyn despite not playing while current
another set and nothing good for enchantress
>>97331270I've wanted to make a reaper king deck for a while but had no clue how to make one with how weak and limited the creatures were on average. It seemed like having spells that turn all your creatures into scarecrows and summoning tokens might be more effective.
>>97334400>heyou just misgendered xim chud
>>97334403he makes no efforts to be agender. some nail polish doesn't count.
>>97334311he's in Vegas a lot so that makes him based
>subhumans keep asking for skelly lord/commanderyou fuckers blind or also retarded?
>>97334422>creates zombiesYeah cool, bro.
>>97334422>not a skeleton>Doesn't make skeletons
>>97334416was there last summer, man the hookers were cheap and fucking wild. great time!
>>97334422shant be baited
>>97334401could be worse, your deck archetype could be a meme like kithkin tribal
Make all land animators earthbending
>>97334401You just had Duskmourn. Settle down.
>>97331703Wasn't that the point of planar chaos?
>>97334467No. A UB mechanic should never be evergreen
>>97334475Call it landimate then
How do you rate the new black draw engines? Eventide's Shadow reads "Draw your deck. Die." in my meta. Will give it a spin.
We need more UB planeswalkers
>>97334401Got an upgrade for my Sythis land ramp
>>97334485call it worldwaking, its a term already used in magic.
>>97334472yeah overlords and rooms were cool but eerie was disappointing and mostly on blue cards
>>97334508wizards has mandated that planeswalkers will only appear in UB if said UB is owned by wotcthe UW brand is already weak as it is, even they don't want to give away planeswalkers
>>97334401i'm doing just fine btw
>>97334520call back to the time i was on my news begging and praying that wotc would jump the shark with a triple axel mctwist and have minsc and boo show up in MoM to help save the day.
>>97334513how playable would all these shitty cards become if they errated the mechanic?>>97334520But Q needs to be a planeswalker
>>97334528>newsknees even, fuck me
>>97334401>nothing good for enchantressAnon, your deck not only doesn't need new cards it's fucking SOLVED.
>>97334526They're still doing world champ cards???? I thought they stopped doing this many years ago
>interact with opponent>wtf I thought we were playing bracket 3?Bros...
>>97334535i wouldn't say solved theirs a few different strategies and color combos it also never hurts to hope for new and exciting tool box cards
>>97334356I'm 36, basically a boomer. Lorwyn was mass hated upon release and during Lorwyn block standard.
>>97334511That's just a fertile ground variant.
>new errata>4 fucking creature typesFORWHATFUCKINGPURPOSE???
>>97334597shaman BAD
>>97334593Redundancy is suddenly a bad thing in singleton?
>>97334515>eerie was disappointing and mostly on blue cardsAs a red-inclusive enchantress fag, I cannot express how mad I was that they had a single red Eerie card and they couldn't even be fucked to have it be an Impact Tremors variant. And this after THB had no red Constellation cards at all!
>>97334597It's stupid wotc is removing shaman for being racist to native Americans when shaman originated from a Siberian word and there are shamans all over the world from every race, including Africans and European blond blue eyed white Samis. It really shows how ignorant and racist WotC is. By trying to be inclusive they reveal their own bigotry.
>>97334611Shaman is still in the errata? are you high or baiting?
>>97334593Yes I need more of them, especially in 2cmc range.
>>97334606>Redundancy is suddenly a bad thing in singleton?retards wouldn't be hating on tutors otherwise
>>97334597
>>97334526>face of some french fag>elf wearing glasses, in a magical world no less>flavour text has to have the name of said "pro" player
>>97334239Zombies>Wet>FleshySkeletons>Dry>BonyIf there's no meaningful difference between skeletons and zombies, then why not errata all zombies into skeletons? Every zombie got a skeleton in them, but not every skeleton got flesh hanging off them
>>97334634Wotc is replacing Shaman with the Sorcerer subtype for new cards. They aren't changing old shaman cards due to the previous Shaman tribal cards that have already been printed, you filthy casual zoom zoom.
>>97334611>when shaman originated from a Siberian word Yep.> there are shamans all over the world from every raceAnd you've put your foot in it. The vocabulary issue is actually that a lot of those races object to the use of the term "shamanism" to refer to their practices when it comes from a specific culture to which they don't belong. It gets even messier because the practices traditionally grouped by anthropologists as indicative of shamanism can also be found in non-shamanic contexts--it's an incredibly broad list more or less used to justify lumping anything outside of Abrahamic/Dharmic/Shinto/Taoist as "not REALLY a religion".>tl;drThe controversy over the term "shaman" isn't about it being offensive to depict them, it's about the fact that most "shamans" would prefer to be called "priests".
>mfw wotc will never do Shaman King collab because it's not Sorcerer King
>>97334659On the plus side, a Dark Sun set is looking more and more likely
>>97334634removing shaman nerfs it and wotc doesn't do power level errata anymore>are you high or baiting?no you're just a retard standing up for yet another dumb wotc move
>>97334658incorrect, it's because when wotc thinks of tribes and shamans they think of da injuns
>>97334674Can't forget totem as well.
>>97334658>it's about the fact that most "shamans" would prefer to be called "priests".>won't anyone please think of the minorities? stop stereotyping them!ok lib
>>97334647I bought one of these when they were way cheaper. I have one in Baral/Kari atm but Im going to remove it probably cause it doesn't seem to do much for me on average
>>97334674Anon, this is an actual controversy in anthropological circles. Yes, it is absurd that it has breached containment and threatened the blessed sanctity of our children's card game, but the way in which it's "racist" to use the term is in applying it to practices inspired by groups that reject it. While it was before WotC bought TSR, it's also the case that D&D has a particularly bad history with the term--the 2E Shaman supplement had as its big secret that the spirit world doesn't really exist and it's just a figment of mortals' imaginations.
>>97334701Don't give a single fuck about satanic third worlders.
>mfw wizards will censor the word magic because it's haram in Islam
>>97334701>the 2E Shaman supplement had as its big secret that the spirit world doesn't really exist and it's just a figment of mortals' imaginations.
>Mfw wizards will censor the word gathering during the net pandemic
>>97334679Let me be clear: I think it's retarded to retire shaman as a creature type. This is a fantasy game about a fantasy world with fantasy practices, none of which should be assumed to have any bearing on real-world faiths. I just happen to be aware of the long-running argument on this particular issue, which has been going on for something like two decades now.It annoys me greatly when people present false narratives about things I disagree with because those just serve as an excuse to ignore legitimate objections and arguments against those things. My autism simply won't let me remain silent.
>>97334721>>97334701sounds absolutely based
>>97334709But enough about Americans.
>>97334721>AI says so, that means it's trueIt's called slop for a reason.
>mfw when wotc removes all interaction due to creating conflict, that's a no-no because dont you know were in a rules based world order and that we're at the end of history?
>>97334701>anthropological circles >racistIt will only get worse, I was just taught last semester the scientific method was racist, not scientific conclusions reached by biased researchers, but the scientific method itself.
>>97334742Everything AI said in that image is true albeit
>>97334741Ok chang just rev up those printers why dontcha
None of you white niggers have a shaman deck don't lie
>>97334775Fuck, now I want french fries.
>>97334775If there was enough support in mono black I would
>>97334775i have a Tuvasa deck and she is a shaman
>>97334658Are any of the goblin and elf shamans depicted on wotc cards speaking out against it?
>>97334645I wish they wouldn't do that dumb flavor text for these world champ cards and just have the art as a little easter egg
>>97334826The reason I refuse to play this card is because the art is too cringe and lame.
>>97334658id have liked shamans to be 'generic caster of no defined structure' to remain.
>Enchantment - Equipment>Artifact - Aurawhich one will be first?
>>97334865Enchantment - Equipment and I know the perfect UB for it
>>97334561this is why I just follow the game changer rule (the spirit of the rule, pod tuned, not the exact and incoherent official list)mass land denial it isthey will learn
>>97334865you asking what id personally like?
>>97334865Enchantment Artifact - Equipment is more likely because the concept is easier to wrap your head around than Enchantment Artifact - Aura. However, either one would have to be an Enchantment Artifact, as the game rules treat the lists of subtypes as being specific to their types. That's the whole reason that Tribal/Kindred has to be a card type--it shares its subtype list with the creature subtype list, the same way instants and sorceries do, so they can then be applied to noncreature cards.
>>97334766If you want to double check, just click the link icons and it'll show you the sources it's getting things from.It's honestly really fucking useful for research.
>>97334865they came really close in theros, but never returned to the idea since
>>97334888kino
>>97334895No it wouldn't. You can just change the rules to make Artifact - Aura or Enchantment - Vehicle a thing. Make food no longer (mandatorily) an artifact.
>>97334900Incidentally, the reason that these aren't equipment is that the typeline didn't fit.
>>97334910If you're playing that game, you could change the rules to deprecate artifacts and errata them all to being enchantments, thus retroactively having a ton of Enchantment - Equipment cards. I don't consider that a particularly compelling line of inquiry, however, and so tend to assess such questions in the context of how the game rules are structured and how they've historically approached similar ideas. In this case, rather than completely overhaul how subtypes function, they would just lean on the fact that you can have a card that is both an Enchantment and an Artifact.
>>97334658>The vocabulary issue is actually that a lot of those races object to the use of the term "shamanism"Who cares? They are MY words from MY understanding. If it becomes a problem for communicating what I am trying to describe or convey, then I just clarify further. I could object to the term latino since I am actually hispanic (not the same thing), or maybe object to the terms mestizo since I am technically a castizo, but I don't because I am not a retarded pussy who thinks I get to police the speech of other people with their own backgrounds. Hell, even by considering your silly argument about the overlap of characteristics between shamanism and those religions YOU (and not those using the word shamanism) set apart, one could simply say "these religions also have certain characteristics of shamanism or incorporate it" and the "issue" would be solved. There would be no need to police language in such a retarded fashion. And that is without even mentioning how it is YOU who is assuming that the word is necessarily used to justify a hierarchy ("not really a religion"), almost like trying to cause a problem OUT OF NOWHERE. Seriously, this is as retarded as the concept of "epistemic injustice." I wouldn't be surprised if it was inspired by a similar line of "reasoning" (actually wordcel idiocy).
>>97334957>>97334728Oh ok. Still, my point stands, only directed to the retard that actually believes that stupid argument.
>>97334965no your point is you want to think of the poor minorities so badly even as the chinaman you're getting your proxies from thinks you're just a dumb gweilo, a literal self flaggelating lib
>>97334672>Doesn't do power level errata anymoreWe literally got functional errata in EOE>But that doesn't count! It was a mistake!Yeah I guess Companion's reminder text was also misprinted since they said they weren't doing power errata for 20ish years by then.
>>97334990What was the EOE errata? Too much shit lately to keep track of it all.
>>97335003Rampaging Baloths no longer being "may" because digitalbabs
>>97334990>but muh EOE!that's just wotc's B-Team (all in UW, funnily enough) screwing up yet again, the card is clearly meant to be draft chaff>but muh Companionpaying an extra (3) is a whole lot different from Palinchron and co. literally not working as intended to fuel your infinite if you didn't cast it from your hand
>>97334586Peculiar lack of an ID here
>>97334977You misunderstand me. I am against changing the shaman type. My argument points out exactly why it is a non-issue made into an issue by contrived bullshit.I specifically call out the concept of epistemic injustice since that is the retarded concept behind this particular nonsense. They think using shamanism invalidates their status as "knowers." Particularly, they are appealing to concepts of hermeneutical injustice and epistemological violence.This is the same school of thought that thinks vodoo magic is just as valid as science (and you are racist if you think otherwise).
>>97334658>>97334701>most shamans would prefer you refer to them by their inaccurate colonized titles pleaseThis is not a controversy cause it doesnt even make sense.
>>97334957I am a Cuban jew so technically a Latino, meaning I'm two oppressed minorities according to libtards. However they treat me like an oppressive privileged evil white male because I have blond hair and white skin and look Aryan. All throughout high school and college i had to deal with wealthy WASP female students and Karen teachers trying to guilt me in to self hating thinking I'm an evil white oppressor. Their brains always short circuit when I ask them if Jews like me are an oppressed minority or an privileged evil white male. Their ideology makes no sense and isn't based on logic.
>Lorwyn has more cards that remove abilities permanently instead of at the end of turn than ever seen beforeAlchemy is coming. Tick tick tick. Mythweaver Poq and Rusko are coming for your casual shit pods.
>>97335033the only evil in the world is specifically cis white men of christian religion who are above lower middle class.
>>97335038>conjure>what are you conjuring? we're in paper!>well what do you know, i have a wishboard that comes along with my edh deck!>wtf>so yeah anyways, i cast burning wishtick tock indeed
>>97335043ok tranny
>>97335043From what I've seen, they hate poor and working class straight white men the most, even more than they hate rich white men.
>>97335052learn to spot sarcasm.
>>97335033I had similar experiences, and I look more like a white leaning hafu (maybe even slightly jewish) than anything aryan lol.This particular "issue" is specially hilarious, because it is the inverse situation of the huwhyte man telling people from other cultures to not use their own words to describe them. They *clearly* have to use "caucasian" or they are doing a hecking epistemic violence (which is later used to justify actual violence by the most extreme retards). No, even worse, it is like someone else appealing to such dissatisfaction to impose a completely unnecessary change to a fucking game (exposing the totalitarian impulse of these lunatics).
>>97335058learn to put a punchline
>>97335057they actually can/have to interact with the poorer white folk, the rich ones they only know about third hand through xhitter.
>>97335048>Hybrid changes>Paper alchemy soon>Wishboards soon>Mass unbans to the GC list soonWhat a horrifying world. I can't wait.
>>97335066sarcasm doesn't need a punchline. besides it should be obvious the hyper specificity of sjw logic is a punchline.
>>97335074> play with my buddies> Its nothing but sweatpilesNaw my life already is over
>>97335072They don't interact with the poors so it's easier to demonize and other them actually. In college they interact with fellow upper middle class and rich white males, who they berate and shame in to becoming "allies"
>>97335083>my buddies all play sweatpiles>but hey you'd think i'm a "happy to be here" kind of edh player right? casual after all>hell no i fucking hate losing!>but i also don't want to be an icky sweatlord!yeah it truly is over for you
>>97334965No it doesn’t because none of these peoples are in this game
>>97335096Except they literally are since they are right there fucking changing it, retard.
>>97335063The other paradox i notice is how they treat Muslims. Islam is the second biggest religion in the world followed by 2 billion people, and every single race on the planet. It has nothing to do with ethnicity. Also Muslims actually treat women the way wokes pretend white western men do-yet they treat Muslims like oppressed victim minorities who need to be coddled and saved. Woke Karens are so fucking retarded. I say this as someone who has no problems with Muslims or Islam, it's just something funny I noticed in college.
>>97335038I’ve already bought my Kraken Hatchlings.
>>97335110ive always wondered why no woke woman's rights activist has ever made a stand against hijabs and other concealing clothing. when Christianity tries it they get rallied against.
>>97335110>I say this as someone who has no problems with Muslims or Islamyou are beyond retarded, no difference than cattle honestly.
wtf why did none of you tell me about this shit
>>97335133sethprobablybetterknownassaffronolive made a deck around it
>>97335139i dont use/watch (((goldfish))).team composed of:>fat cali neckbeard guy (who you referenced)>a german zoom zoom with yhe mandatory broccoli hair>a gook who happens to be a literal slop enjoyer to the fullest definition of the word>a random chink
>>97335148Nigga's looking for the master race in the lower end of the gene pool playing children's cards. The chads aren't here this is your lot
>>97335148Everyone is super impressed anon
>>97335148>>a gook who happens to be a literal slop enjoyer to the fullest definition of the wordIn their 2025 in review video there was a segment where they did cringiest card.Saffron picked Hotdog CartGerman Twink picked Spiderman IndiaThe other dude picked Rent is Due.When it came to Crim, he didnt have a cringey card. They asked him why not and he explained that he literally does not feel any emotions related to cringe
How do I build her? Faerie Tribal? Elf Tribal? Mill? Theft? Some weird Changeling hybrid?
>>97335132They've proven in being absolutely right when it comes to how they treat women and not giving them voting rights. Woke feminist karens have destroyed the west in only 100 years since they were granted voting rights.
>>97335174>>97335148and you guys have a problem with him, because...?seek help please.their podcasts are awesome >>97335159>>97335170100%this
>>97335183thats why their nations are shitholes and they do everything including selling their own mother to come to the west.
>>97335185>you guys have a problem with him, because...?>seek help please.>their podcasts are awesomeI think 3 of those guys are alright. Crim is a retard who mimed making out with his Deadpool card for like a whole minute and has dogshit takes.
>>97335194UAE, Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are the opposite of shitholes. In fact, the west has nowhere comparable to the wealth and luxury found in these countries.
>people in my pod are already brewing the fat cuntAny other good protection from -1/-1
>>97335222>fuck poison counters>fuck blight
>>97335222Just treat it as you would any removal and play around it.
>>97335232>*destroy all you hate pieces in your path*cool deck anon, anyway do my thing and win game
>>97335241
>>97335241Posts like this are retarded
>>97335241Lol
>>97335256nta but yours are truly riveting, wish more were like you!
>>97335256Ah, but what you may not realize is that I'm not like you. You may only sometimes have it, but me? I ALWAYS have it.
>>97335241Roflmao
>>97335259hate pieces still gone.you done with your turn anon? pods waiting.
>>97335267no UB slop cards please.only MtG cards.thank you
>>97335174THEASIANAVENGER!truly broke this board lmaothe dudes funny as hell and his streams are a blast.
>>97335275yeah just proxy a uw version of it :)
>>97335268Sure
Always
>>97335306I want to be with you
>>97335310And make believe with you
>>97335268>>97335275That's rough, buddy. You lose.
>>97335322And live in harmony, harmony, oh love.
The emo Doran brew is looking good so far.
>>97335401Oh shit I didn’t realize it just said the difference between p/t and not toughness - power
>>97335182Are you fucking stupid? Pick a tribe and shit out tokens. Literally all there is to it.If you want an infinite combo put in Cloud of Faeries and Dead-Eye Navigator and steal your opponents entire decks.
>>97335174I genuinely wonder what he thinks is going to happen to all the “collectible” junk he’s spent years amassing when he dies.
>>97335003>>97335008No it was Diplomatic Relations being changed so it couldn’t target opponents creatures or make them kill themselves >>97335009
>>97335425they get thrown away, like every other dead person's items
>>97335009>This card was clearly not meant to do something unique>But it was clearly intentional for these cards despite them getting the same treatment!
>>97335449the most powerful naya commander obviously
>>97335436Do you think gold, shares, and land gets thrown away?
>>97335460crim will tell his friends and family to sell his collection to ebay and cardkingdom before he passes away duh
>>97335465The cards might go for something, but the fucking Pokémon plushies, funkopops, and plastic Captain America shield? Landfill.
>>97335232Why does the 2nd line not simply say “Counters can’t be put on permanents”?That shit is going to get powercrept one day
Hideaway cards can cast any stored spell at instant speed, but what if a spell has rules text saying when it can be cast? Does hideaway override that, or not?The most relevant situation for this I can imagine for this is with Seedtime (cast only on your turn) as if you could cast it on an opponent's turn then you wouldn't need to wait on a counterspell, you could just wait for a blue player to do normal things on their turn and then suddenly have a turn after theirs.>>97335456Honestly how did this version of the rules get through for a card in white and green, the two colours best able to exploit itThe *instant* I saw this card I realized how busted it was only to then see it had an errataMind you, my first thought was interaction with Jinnie Fay who didn't exist in 2013, but any +1/+1 anthem works fine here.
>>97335508The thing allowing you to make the cast takes precedence over the restrictions of the card. Or ignores the casting restrictions just the same as being able to cast sorceries on other turns with Powerbalance
>>97335284>dudes funny as hell and his streams are a blast.
>>97335456That's literally the point. "No functional errata" is a lie that WotC used as cope for them fucking up trying to fix so many busted cards before giving up. They never stopped doing it because the reason was always the same."Oops we printed a card where the actual usage will differ from what we intended."
>>973355421, time vault works exactly as intended in alpha2. i have the perfect card for (You)
How does this fare in brackets 3 and 4?
>>97335638good into b3.way too slow in b4.
>>97335638telegraphed, easily played around, and gives your opponents time to answer it, which means it's b2use the better b3 option
>>97335596You know it's funny because they've even gone back for entire mechanics once new ones started interacting poorly with them. Remember cascading into Tibalt? Now DFCs never check backside unless they're already on the field.My point isn't really advocating for a particular approach. It's moreso saying that you can never trust anything WotC says because the company is run by liars.
>>973356494 mana VS 9 mana is a pretty big difference anon. Those cards are both good just in very different ways.
>>97335656getting to 9 mana in green vs your opponents doing exactly what you want them to do is a very big difference, yes
>>97335048I'm still mad that they errata'd wishes to no longer pull from exile.
>*makes /edhg/ seethe in your path*i love to see it
>>97335497So you can use Planeswalkers and Battles with it, of course.
>>97335649I suppose enchantment destruction is plentiful, but I do plan on running a bunch of hideaway cards and a couple enchantment copiers since they mesh well with my deck.So maybe the chance of getting them to interact would make it viable? Hideaway could play the enchantment right before my turn to minimize the window to destroy it, and copying the enchantment in response to removal would let one go through if no one plays a second removal.
>>97335638wins the game on the spot in b2-3, never resolves in b4
>>97335697you could do that, just saying that you could hideaway t&n and get an immediate payoff instead (remember that you still have to pay {2} to entwine)
>>97335666>wishes to no longer pull from exile.they never could
>>97335721Yeah okay Aristotle they pulled from "outside the game" and "removed from the game" was "outside the game" until "exile" became a zone.
>>97335721Exile used to be "outside the game".
>>97335497Cause then it'd work on planeswalkers which probably gets really iffy one way or another. Now we have an artifact planeswalker anyway, but let's not worry about that.Actually, does it make you unable to activate any of its abilities since you can't pay the cost anymore? Or can you activate them, but the amount of loyalty doesn't change?
>>97334107Pretty based. I habe my on custom faerie and goblin tokens. Mase out of existing art but still.
>>97335761no, it was a defined zone.
>>97334107would nut inside her for days.if you know what i mean
RETVRN
>>97335841FVARK
>>97335854in a vacuum, is this the strongest creature in the game? (asking gameplay wise)
>>97335800No, it used to be "outside the game". They errata'd a whole bunch of cards from that into "exile", but didn't errata the wishes to pull from the same zone, functionally errata'ing wishes to be less powerful:https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/wishes-come-true-2002-04-29> Like the Ring, the Wishes allow you put a card from out of the game into your hand. In casual play, this card can come from anywhere (and I do mean anywhere) including cards that started in your deck but were removed from the game. In tournaments, the wishes are restricted to cards in your sideboard or out-of-play cards that started in your deck.
I need a playmat but everything on amazon is AI trash
>>97335877i dunno about the strongest but if you happen to have a bunch of mana, the board is clear, you cannot combo off but you could cast a single creature on your turn, it'll be hard to want that creature to be anything other than aeons torn
>>97335913look no further anon-kun...>>97332079
>>97335937The only cards in my deck that are foiled are my lands so I know exactly where all my mana is thanks to how pringled they are. I even bend them a little extra to help make it easier for me to see where they all are since no one can accuse me of cheating for using them. Makes mulliganing or deciding when to shuffle my library a breeze.
>>97335937I know that foils bend easily but why does his bend so fucking hard?
>>97335967the only time ive seen curls like that is from actually chinese/mexican bootlegs of yugioh cards back in the early 2000s, where the foiling peels right off because there's almost no adhesive, but they bend the cards enough that you only realize the low quality the moment you flatten them out and the foil layer peels off like an onion skin.
You buying the store-brand harry potter book?I'm a sucker for magical school settings and I loved reading the novels from urza's block and the invasion cycle but I don't trust modern mtg to be able to write a story that doesn't make me feel ill.
>genuinely put some thought into how to use Trigger Happy and whether it's practical given how unpredictable it is>finally notice that it's not a legal cardIT SHOULD BE
>>97336033I'd like to learn more about the creation of Fractals but I'm certain the book's going to be more about the creation of Pronouns.
>>97336048Sorry friend. The only fun you're allowed to have with triggers involves either doubling them or drawing a card.
>>97336082or countering them.
>>97335687>I had such a dysfunctional childhood that being an annoyance to others is aspirational to me because at least then I’m not ignoredSad
Is anyone else disappointed by the lack of reprints in Lorwyn? There were some really good cards from the original block like pic related that have only even had 1 fucking print. I thought we'd get a bunch to be honest.
>>97336169These things tend to happen when you have 4 sets worth of material to cover and blow 5 slots on nobodies from strixhaven.
>>97336176We had vivid as a new mechanic though and they didn't reprint any of the wisps. Shit sucks.
>>97331502>commons/uncommonsBig cardboard trays(sorted WUBRG + a space for artifacts, multicolor, and nonbasic lands)>rares+In binders, again sorted like above>decksI picked up a nice wooden CD storage cabinet a decade+ ago and it's the perfect size for deckboxes.
>>97336169I think WoTC is retarded for not reprinting as much as they should. Getting rid of List reprints was dumb since I haven't met anyone who didn't appreciate them and they have like 7 sets a year, so we get chaff. Could have just made 1/3rd the set reprints.I guess there would be complaints? But fuck em they'll still buy.
>>97336176>Still no Abzan elf commander>Make a Sultai one for elves and faeries because fuck you
>have an 8/8 and a 1/1>cast pic related>blight 8 on my 1/1>all your shit gets nukedThis is probably my favorite ECL card. Going straight into Kresh as basically an additional Chandra's Ignition.
>>97336223I did kind of sour on The List by the end. Too much of the time, what was supposed to be a cool and surprising experience was just some unrelated chaff. I do think that it’s something that should be brought back for return sets specifically, but as a proper bonus sheet instead of a “sometimes” thing.I do like Special Guests as an excuse for new art for cards that they don’t necessarily want to introduce into Standard, but I’m less of a fan of how they’ve since decided that they all need to be experimental SLD style art. The LCI Underworld Breach was kino, but the Aetherdrift and especially the Edge of Eternities guests have started to veer too much into requiring a specific kind of aesthetic buy-in.
>>97336295>was just some unrelated chaffFor me I liked it because that chaff was usually some niche uncommon that was good for one specific deck and it became no longer a massive shitfest to find a copy.Special guests are fine, but they're almost always such a small amount of cards and it doesn't get some more of the weird shit reprinted
>>97335222>a deck filled with bad slow removalId probably just beat it
>>97335638It is a great card and it pulls its weight. Please don't listen to the tooth and nail fucktard lmao
>>97336033Some of them are really good, some of them are shit.Tyvar kicking the shit out of Tibalt while Kaya gets her shit pushed in and Rona being an actual threat without being stupid against Karn were both fun reads, the slop concerning Kaya or Niko are shit though
>>97336303>that chaff was usually some niche uncommonYou’re working with some heavy confirmation bias. The majority of the cards on The List were shit like Goldmeadow Harrier. It’d be nice to see her in an ECL pack, sure, but not something anyone’s having a hard time acquiring.The fact is that the perceived POTENTIAL of The List was wildly disproportionate to the experience of it. We definitely need more reprints, no questions there—uncommons like KCI, Treasonous Ogre, and Triumph of the Hordes have no business commanding their current prices—but “sometimes you might pull one in a pack, other times you might get a French vanilla” isn’t the way to go about it. I’ll also agree that SPG doesn’t go far enough in terms of getting esoteric cards in players’ hands, but it does do a better job of highlighting the individual cards that it includes.This is really where the randomization business model breaks down. WotC won’t release a set that isn’t intended to be drafted because Limited play is one of their strongest defenses against accusations of booster packs being a form of gambling. For a similar reason, their refusal to directly acknowledge the secondary market means they won’t release targeted, non-randomized products intended solely to correct supply issues. (You’d think that Secret Lair Drops would have been able to serve that purpose, and I was initially optimistic that they might, but then they veered wildly into being almost entirely about quirky “art” styles instead of the actual cards being reprinted.)Unfortunately, the best hope for the weird and niche cards would be for Mystery Boosters to become a more routine release. Not as The List in main sets, but as a product specifically targeted at the weird, chaotic experience.
guys hello please listenI want to make a cool dinosaur deck but I really want to play black. so I guess my best option would be Indoraptor, the Perfect Hybrid??
>>97336491too kill on sight. you'll play exactly 0 magic from turn 1indominus rex alpha at least can get hexproof/indestructible
>>97336515>indominus rex alphaIm going through deck lists and this guy doesnt even seem like a dinsosaur tribal commander. just creatures with the keywords he needs.
>>97336491>literally 4 options>guys please help :(((((((
>>97336538desu i only count 2
>>97336491Tribal decks don't have to have the commander be the tribe grow up
>>97336576bro Im not gonna play morophon thats cringe as fuck. you should grow up haha
>>97336491>4 choices (at best)>>97336535>looking at decklists for basic bitch tribal like a retard>>97336582>cringe>no U grow up!!!!!!!If this poster is over 18 I will kill myself. Shut the fuck up you retarded nigger.
>>97336535yeah and indoraptor is a self damage pile first and foremost
>excited for Lorwyn to get new faeries to add to my Alela deck>only 2 of the faeries are goodWhat a fucking bungled set. Can we go back to Eldraine already?
>takes your SLD print out of its sleeve to "verify authenticity" with cheeto fingers>beats you turn 3 with a three-card infinite>slaps your gf on the ass>"Heh, sorry, it's bracket 3 but sometimes it just goes off."How do you react without sounding mad?
>>97336605You should never expect more than 2 or 3 cards from any given set release to make an impact on an extant decklist.
>>97336610>don't run SLD prints>have a husband, not a gf>enjoy seeing a good infinite play out every now and thenI'm not mad, so it shouldn't be all that difficult.
>>97336610slap him on the ass with a wink
i see you guys have no clue how dinosaur decks with SOUL would work. bet you all play ethali
MARK! people are not liking the in universe set. fix this!
>>97336489man the quirky art styles are so fucking bad toothe cool artists like junji ito and peach momoko are fine but like the cartoon and gumby bullshit has got to go
>>97336614My downie, the original Lorwyn block was THE set for faeries. We got 25+ and a lot of them became tribal staples to this day. Eclipsed gave us 10 and maybe 3 will ever get used.
>>97336635Fix? That's working as intended
>>97334321I used to do this shit with krark clan ironworks and im still fucking mad. My magic jew roleplay is crushed and its the goyms fault.
Total Noggle Death
>>97336653>comparing one set to fourIf twelve of those 25 are "tribal staples to this day", that would be 3 cards per set. The logic holds.
>>97336700Given the set, the fact this doesn't just turn the card into a 1/1 forever is kinda surprising.
>Ashling will have a SECOND day zero errata because of a Zinnia ruling that they had made And because of it Zinnia will also got an errata too. What a mess this has become.https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/lorwyn-eclipsed-update-bulletin
>>97336795>"as you cast them" >Which is already explained in the reminder textI don't know why they felt they needed to add this to be honest.
>>97336795So we reached the point where we're going to start making things up as we went by huh
>>97336718Blue doesn't need another aura that they will happily bouncing on and off the table
>>97336816animate dead did that like 30 years ago
>friend fetches for his badland in vanilla vehicle aggro deck>opponent has a complete melty because it "misrepresents the power of his deck">complains about every expensive card in friend's deck>calls out his fellwar stone for being a "beta fellwar stone"rofl do bracket tards really?
>>97337000edh was meant for playing 7 cost enchantments that never seen play and creating an absolute bonkers board state before taking blunts to the face nonstop fuck bracketeers
>>97337000Beta Fellwar Stones tap for more mana everyone knows this!
>>97337006Utilizing brackets would be the best way for you to get the EDH experience you want anon. B1 and B2 will give you games where this doesnt automatically lose.
>>97337000your friend is rightcheaters who misrepresent the intent of their deck are wrong according to the rules and should not be played with or banned from the lgs
>>97337000I can understand his point to a degree. Fetching for true duals is very powerful and if its all he's seen of the deck, I can understand his trepidation.However, that not enough to instantly make it above a 3 if it fits all of the other hard requirement and he should have just played it out and see if his gut reaction was true or not and then decide not to play again..
>>97337041>fetching for true duals is very powerfulI've heard this argument ad nauseam and it isn't true. I don't own a single ABUR dual and I've been able to play up to 5 color just fine. FETCHING is powerful. Getting badlands is no more powerful than fetching blood crypt, and if you think otherwise you're an idiot.
>>97337006Second this. Based spirit of the game post
>>97337047A land that comes in untapped for free is indeed infinitely better than a land that shocks you. If you think otherwise you are bad at magic.
>doubles Ashling's copy token generation >doubles the ETBs of the copied elementals tooWtf, elementals seem absurdly pushed
>>97337055In a 40-life format lol
>>97337047>and it isn't true. Someone inform vintage, legacy and cedh basics and shocklands are good enough.
>>97337055Fetches are the strongest lands in the game and way sweatier than an og dual for turn
>>97337077And the guy in the story used a fetch to get a true dual, and that's not sweaty?
>>97337066>2 additional people chipping away at itThis is the reply of someone who is had at the game.>>97337077Irrelevant. A badlands is infinitely better than a blood crypt. If you are trying to suggest otherwise you shouldn't talk about magic.
>>97337088In commander a badlands almost always equals a blood crypt. You're nogames and don't have any experience in the format if you think otherwise.
>>97337000>beta fellwar stone>first printing is the dark???
>>97337093>Badlands is equal to a blood cryptMust be why given the chance you will always fetch a true instead of a shock
>>97337100>must be why given the chance you will always fetch a true instead of a shock>turn one fetch>have no play>hm do I fetch for my tapped blood crypt or badlands?
>>97337104And you will still grab the true and not the shock. Why even bother pretending otherwise
>>97337106What? Are you that bad at Magic anon? Have you never played legacy? Think for one second about what I just posted. It's THE WRONG PLAY to get the badlands there.
>>97337093>almost always equalIt actually never equals, and can never equal one. It has a cost. Badlands does not. This isnt a debatable point lmao. True duals are infinitely better than any alternative.
You could put every ABUR dual in a precon and its power level would not see any meaningful change. If you think otherwise you're terrible at Magic.
I will get.....hmmm.....a basic forest, yes indeed.
>>97337116I don't know about that. If you have a game that last 12 turns, and 2-3 of those turns you weren't able to play a spell because a land came in tapped or didn't give you your pips, that can hamper a deck a lot. Even though I don't have ABUR duals for every multicolored deck, I sure as shit hardly put any land that comes in tapped.
>>97337132
>>97337132GAME. CHANGING.
>>97337116if you put every legal fetchland into your precon on the other hand...
True duals are Bracket 1If they were not Bracket 1 they would be game changers and they are not, just like the other land fetches
>>97337116>you could add 2-3 turns of tempo to every deck and they'd be the sameThis thread is infested with people who genuinely do not understand this game damn
>>97337158Wizards even confirms this.
True duals? How cute.
>>97337186Anon that card is too powerful for casual
>>97337186>can't be fetchedGood luck seeing this maybe 1/3 of games!
heh, casuls
>>97337158It doesn't matter how expensive your land base is in bracket 1, since that's the bracket where the goal isn't to win, its to showcase dumb shit that doesn't even work as a deck. If it works as a deck, its already a 2.Bracket 2 still has requirements that must be met, and if you are still meeting them with an expensive land base while holding everything else back in power, no shit it doesn't matter.Taking out 6 cards from a three color shit precon to put in 3 fetches and 3 true duals, it still a shit, but slightly faster, precon.
>>97337192I've seen it in a mono green deck once. Sometimes I wonder how people's brains work.
Anyone has a jank brew with her?
Players need to start learning that bracket 3 is not some low-powered slop heap where you put 3 game changers in your bad deck and call it a day. I keep running people over because their bracket 3 decks are so horribly put-together.
>>97336795Zinnia rules were fucked before too, extremely messy borderline alchemy design.
>>97337239Yeah the vast majority of decks are 2s deckbuilder egos just prevent them from being honest about their creations
>>97337239My winrate has skyrocketed since brackets were implemented>bad players crutch themselves with massive amounts of staples>gives their bad decks the juice to sometimes winNow>3 staples max because bracket 3 is the most popular way to play>less reliant on sweat cards and fast combos>have to actually know how to build a deck>they don't>lose to any deck with synergy
>>97337192>can't be fetchedAh anon that's where you're wrong
>>97337319Now show us a land that this effect.
>>97337347Loopable with Ba Sing Se btw
>>97337319>cant be fetched>>>>>>thats where youre wrong>posts a card that tutors itNot fetching btw.
>>97337319reach deathtouchers are so good in casual edh that this is sleeper. i want it so bad in every deck but its commander print for a set that sucked
>>97337221I put these in mono colored decks as a fun joke
I'm forgotten
I mean like why would you run command tower if you're already in green lmao
>>97336610>Sit at a table large enough he can't reach over (yes my LGS actually had to do this)>Trickbind in response>That's a man my brother you are going to die
>>97336610>Implying I bought a SLD>Implying I can actually get my girlfriend to come into the LGS at game night when she won't come in with me to check it out when I'm just running in to buy some sleeves or some shit.Phew, though this was about me for a millisecond.
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