Painful Memories edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97324693>TQWhat is the most memorable card of this decade?
thread questionragavan
>>97332220why are his calves so humanI don't like that
>>97332220I would say pic related. Good? No. Memorable? Very, of what this game has become in the last decade.
>>97332220>>TQ>What is the most memorable card of this decade?It ain't even close.
>>97332220Lurrus
>>97332256is just like me!
>>97332215Happy now?
>>97332264>2019It's last decade already unc
>>97332220They forgot to tell the UG guy what changelings look like
>>97332289>another blue Reach card
Expectations for the Alara return now that is the first on the pipeline, according to our beloved Nosewater, for a plane return? Take into account what they made with Eldraine and now Lorwyn.
>>97332289RKF art cannot be contained by a mere art director.
>>97332289>Ferguson, mah boi, this is what changeling looks like>Haha ok! *proceeds to draw an old soulful design that has nothing to do with the comical general aspect*Based?
>>97332264You're correct.Fucking hell, I hate Oko. Worst mistake ever printed. I know some people will contest that about Lurrus, but fuck 'em. Oko was a cancer without equal. Who made that +1. WHO.
>>97330031Also no Beasts... Why oko makes Elks instead of Beasts? Just to remember how broken he was in Eldraine?>>97332300Most returns to old planes are trash if you remember the original. The only that was good was RTR and Dominaria.
>>97332289It was probably supposed to be a mimic but they wanted it to have changeling.
>>97332289>tfw gangly stompling will never stomp on your face
>>97332289Worst thing is that they have some fit on older cards while others are whatever.Look for exemple the Cat Gorgon from eventide and the WB changeling.
>>97332289These five idiots are my favourite cards from this set.
>>97332289The UG one is supposed to be a mimic from Shadowmoore.The real issue is that it has a human-esq upper body. Which doesn't make sense on Lorwyn.
>The only hope for Skeletons to get support was Changeling>All the Changelings are unplayable trash
>Yes! You should buy Lorwyn Eclipsed!>Don’t think, just buy!
Rolled 3 (1d4)
>Lorwyn fails>TMNT, pushed by the insane powercreep, succedsWhat this will mean for Magic?
>>97332429Just getting shitter and shitter, but truthfully even if Lorwyn had been good, nothing would have changed in the bigger picture. The game is just cooked at this point because of the people captaining and making it are retards
>>97332429Means TURTLES IN ALL PACKSKAMIGAWABUNGA!!!!
Lorwyn looks like a fun draft environment, you're just addicted to doomposting about UB.
>>97332429I 100% believe that TMNT will not only be worse than Spider-Man, but it will also sell less.
Based on the students the next strixhaven set will replace warlock with bard and shaman with sorcerer. The others students match the previous ones.B/G are both druids.R/W are both cleric.G/U are both wizards.The original color pairs class types were based on the second color of the color pair.The shift to bard from warlock is probably because it makes more sense for Silverquill to be bards and they want to emphasize Warlock's demonic influence when on Strixhaven making deals with demons was discouraged.
>>97332695>Kasmina booba
This set didn't get a warlock with the witch name.
>>97332704>unironically why they aren't bringing her backI would bet large sums of money on this.
Why is this set so unbelievably awful? I was looking forward to this fuck you wotc
>>97332849Intentional sabotage to not have real cards overshadow UB slop in Standard. They'll ban Badger later and Pro Tour Capeshit will be only marvel decks
>>97332695>DEI and cultural consultants ruining a gameGod I can't wait for Strixhaven 2.0 to utter broken bullshit or another extremely weak set that will make UB become the majority of mtg!>>97332849How can UB succeed if real magic does well?
>Makes all the in universe sets dogshit>Oh looks like our metrics say that universes within sets don't sell anymore, we have to start making more UB sets and less in universe sets
>>97332949>number of cards that are currently banned in Standard:10>number of banned cards from in-universe sets: 9>number of banned cards from UB sets: 1Hmmmm.
>>97332695If commander players dictate where this game is going, could we perchance gather an army of shaman tribal commander players to force wotc to keep printing shamans?
>>97332651They've already shown cards significantly stronger than Spider-Man, so it can't really be worse, mechanically.
>>97332220Really leaning into Dr. Shrunk with that face.>TQTechnically The One Ring if we're counting non-players.>>97332289I'm kinda surprised there were no spiders in the set, but I guess that makes sense when you're trying to shove 4 sets worth of references into one set.
>>97332949Meanwhile, everyone is still playing decks centered around Bloomburrow and Duskmourn cards. You double nigger.
>>97332392I wanted more Changeling noncreature spells. We got one and it's unplayable and the other two are reprints. One changeling counterspell that could be tribal tutored that's all I wanted. They said they would never bring Tribal back and here it is and it doesn't even fucking do the thing it did before. Nobody wants more copies of Nameless Inversion or Crib Swap those have been reprinted a thousand times.
>>97332289>the UG guy>doesn't recognize RKFWhat a disgrace. Anyway he does not give a fuck about what the art director wants, he'll draw whatever he likes and wotc just pays up.
>>97333010Only one set of the four original sets had any spiders.
>>97333016The whole set kind of sucks for everything. Changeling is definitely a HUGE miss though.
>>97332695Why are they gearing MtG toward teenagers? All this focus on Not Hogwarts is retarded and soulless, there’s no way this appeals to a younger audience, just Discord trannies stuck in a Highschool mindset
>>97333131They are gearing it towards the 30 year old Harry Potter fans that think Rowling is a Nazi.
>>97333071I don't fucking understand how they can't remake the old thing by simply copying everything from the old thing. Nameless Inversion is in the fucking set AND there is a new card with Changeling. How the fuck does the entire fucking room not think to themselves to add Changeling to another spell.I never liked Lorwyn because it looked like shitty stapling animals together. But years later I learned that all the stupid animals were actually things from English folklore. But today, there's none of that shit, it's just a derivative of Lorwyn, which means none of that English folklore shit is there anymore probably because not a single fucking person read the design document from Lorwyn.
>>97333071It's a tired way to describe things, but just like most if not all recent sets, it lacks soul. Nu-Lorwyn is just them not understanding what they are copying and then adding in a bunch of modern mtg designslop into it.
>>97333067Spiders move at night.Monster Spiders appears in Shadowmoor = nightMeanwhile the monster spiders hid during Lorwyn = day. We could only see small ones in art or hinted by some arts.>>97333169> not a single fucking person read the design document from Lorwyn.Or cared to read the novels or cared to look at the cards to discover the themes.This is modern wotc is a nutshell and why we should not care for return sets.
>>97332984Why would they ban UB cards? They want people to play with UB cards more often.
>>97333169>none of that English folklore shit is there anymoreAt least we got a water horse!
>>97332740Booba so nice, Loot stole them twice.
>>97333465another exemple of >Ops we didn't read the design documents!
>>97333670Glad they made a real kelpie and not some made up bullshit that stole the name
>>97333695Ironical for you to say it.BTW the kelpies from shadowmoor take the shape of "tangies" an water spirit from scotlands that have the same roles as Kelpies in ireland folklore. Tangies take form of either an waterhorse or an old merman.Why they choose the Tangies (originated from the same folklore as kelpies)? Well because they already had Puccas and Noggles that are both horse spirits... (and Noggles are also waterhorse spirits)But you don't know it because like most MTG designers you don't care to research about what you are talking about. I bet you didn't knew Noggles in folklore are water horse spirits instead of an humanoid ass...
>>97333695It supposed to be a Each-uisge since they live in the sea, sea lochs and freshwater lochs. Kelpies live in streams and rivers. They are similar to kelpies but much more dangerous.
this set fucking sucks and it was the only set of the year that has even the remotest hope of being good
>>97333742>>97333759>here's our new card named sky dragon>it actually looks like a dog though, don't worry about thatJust admit that they took a bunch of names from folklore and did whatever the fuck they wanted to with them lol, you guys can't even agree on what the right correction is supposed to be.
>>97333759Pronounced Eh(the h must be pronounced with the back of your tounge)- oo (as in good) -shkya
>>97333795>Just admit that they took a bunch of names from folklore and did whatever the fuck they wanted to with them lol, you guys can't even agree on what the right correction is supposed to be.You are just being retarded.>>97333742 says Kepies in Shadowmoor take inspiration of Tangies (an spirit that lives in lakes and attack people that can either look like a water horse or an old merman)(kelpies on shadowmoor look like an old merman...)>>97333759 says that the card Loch Mare takes inspiration on the Each-uisge that is a sea horse spirit that lives in sea lochs... (thus the name....)Also btw nuckelavee is another horse-like spirit (similar to the noggle) but the thing with it is that people didn't knew what it looked like to the point that there are lots of discrepancies over the looks (you should search a proper book for them)(or go talk to Irish elders for stories of it). Again: to not make another horse they tooke the "water spirit demon who makes supernatural things happen and have lots of eyes" as a base.
>>97333842Nobody cares what your sea horse looks like unc, just be excited for TMNT. Didn't you watch it when you grow up?
>>97333795It's because even celtic lore their description can vary by folklore. The most iconic designs are based on the most consistent description between stories.Kelpies are frequently described as white or black horses with backwards hooves. Their human is covered in water weeds and they still retain their hooves.The Irish-Scottish Each-uisge is a creature that disguises itself as a handsome man, horse, or a boobrie (a giant water bird that looks like a cormorant).The Shetland nuggle is a male horse with a wheel tail. He always appears as an attractive male horse never human unlike the other water horses.The Orkney tangie is a creature that takes the form of a horse or old man. It is always covered in tang, brown algae of the fucus genus.The Orkney Nuckelavee is a skinless demon made of to parts. Below is a horse with a gaping mouth and a single eye. Above a man with a large head and long arms. This is based on the only recorded description since people have rarely seen a nuckelavee. The Stronsay islanders usually imagined it as a dark horse covered in seaweed with wrinkly skin, curly hair, and large equine genitalia.
>>97333795It's called the Panhu and he's an important religious figure to the Yao and She people.
>>97333842>bro they're inspired by tangies, which live in lakes>that's why the card is called river kelpieCan't imagine being this cucked, to go to bat for wotc like this. They clearly have no issue with using names outside of the region, just name it something else. They didn't even bother naming the fachan. But they had to go with the mass media tropes, so we get a bunch of D&D and Tolkien style fae.
>>97333957>They didn't even bother naming the fachanGood they are supposed to be giants not goblins
>>97333965hey maybe they should've done the same with other cards, avoid using the real names if they're not accurateoh what's that? sorry, everyone knows tinkerbell, everyone knows that's what a faerie is of course
>>97333990The fachan have a clear description the other water horses are inconsistent in description except for the nuggle. They probably got the descriptions from the celtic myth book which will describe the creatures based on what the ancient people believed rather than the singular pop culture descriptions that apeals to the autist who argue over what to call a wyvern.
>>97333957>that's why the card is called river kelpie>noun>a large natural stream of water flowing in a channel to the sea, a lake, or another such stream.ok, the river isn't connected to a lake, and kelpies/tangies from folklore doesn't move around and just stay where they are.For the fachan if you are talking about Stream Hopper then it is just a reference and the card explain its origin. Not that it couldn't be a "shadowmoor fachan" but I think the ideas of the creatures in Shadowmoor is that they exist but hid or go dormant in Lorwyn while the Hopper is just an unfortunate borggat.
>>97334034>They probably got the descriptions from the celtic myth book which will describe the creatures based on what the ancient people believedYeah that's why faerie are small bug guys, boggarts are just goblins, and kithkin are so close to hobbits that they almost got sued for it.
>>97332289lol
>>97334085Faerie are bugs because they needed a flying creature for draft.Boggarts are goblins because the description was similar to goblin while they were searching for a tribe for black.They were never going to get sued for kithkin unless they called them hobbits. People freely used hobbits by calling them halfling.
there is so much hype around me for this set but besides the artwork I don't feel it at all.>blight sucks as it screams 2-for-1 me>vivid and hybrid mana aka the return of the 5 color good stuff soup from tarkir>counters everywhere>double faced cards everywhere ("hey can I see the backside again?")>the return of evoke, convoke, persist and hybrid without any focus>faeries downgraded to "play during oppo turn" tribe>hello? treefolks? you there?>everything feels safe. no spicy non-creature tribal stuff.
>>97334180>double faced cards everywhere...there are seven of them, total.
>>97334190seven too many.
>>97334180The new commands look solid, they definitely played it safer with the more popular tribes but still worth trying out I think.
>>97334180If the last two years have taught me anything, it's that WotC has gotten weirdly good at making a set LOOK like powered-down dogshit while concealing a massive spiked dogcock that's going to completely rape a format.
We need to revisit New Capenna
We need to never see New Capenna again and reprint any playable cards from it with new art from a different plane.
Did the Spirit Avatar megacycle from Shadowmoor + Eventide get any callbacks in this new set? They were some of my favorite designs from a flavor and mechanical perspective. Fantastic Timmy cards.
>>97334246inb4 evoke creatures become easily cheated turn two 6/5's
>>97334297Which is nothing because a big part of why cheating evokers was good before this set was that you get the ETB twice. Now if you cheat them you don't even get the second ETB.
>>97334297There better cards to cheat with warp since you'll at least get the effect and creature.
>>97333067>a 3/3 with a quirky downside was just a few years before WARHow did we fall so quickly? What happened in 2015ish to make everything in the world suddenly become a gigantic pile of steamy dogshit with corn nuggets on top?
>>97334306Soonhttps://youtu.be/x8QXU8TwjmQ
>>97334310>Just a few years before WARNigger, Shadowmoor was literally a decade before WAR.
>>97334303>>97334306These guys definitely feel like they could have been busted a few standards ago though. A 6/5 on turn 3 used to mean something.
>>97334034When did WotC go from >Wizards of the Coast, Incto>Wizards of the Coast, LLCI was looking at a card from, I think AVR and they used LLC instead of Inc. Can a /biz/ fag explain what the difference is in practice?
>>97334319Damn was it really? Feels like it was a lot more recent than that.
Being able to tap a mox for 2 mana on turn 1 in standard is justchefs kissgod I fucking love it every timeit aint often but lmaoall I got out of it was an 4/3 double strike trample attacking on turn 2 and pumped it to 5/4 double strike trample on turn 3 and they shocklanded so game was over
>>97334327>A Limited Liability Company (LLC) is a business structure allowed by state statute. Each state may use different regulations, you should check with your state if you are interested in starting a Limited Liability Company.Owners of an LLC are called members. Most states do not restrict ownership, so members may include individuals, corporations, other LLCs and foreign entities. There is no maximum number of members. Most states also permit “single-member” LLCs, those having only one owner.A few types of businesses generally cannot be LLCs, such as banks and insurance companies. Check your state’s requirements and the federal tax regulations for further information. There are special rules for foreign LLCs.
>>97334306Funnily enough, you can warp the red ones with Tannuk and then evoke them from exile.
>>97334327It was restructured in 2009 as Hasbro wanted to exert more direct control and disaggregate the numbers for M:tG and D&D. I can't find anything on whether WotC was previously a C corp or an S corp, but either way it would have been run by its own board of directors. As an LLC, it can be run directly by Hasbro.>The total acquisition cost through December 31, 2000 amounts to $492,574>adjusted for inflation, that's $843,393 in today's moneyFuck, it's weird to think that my mortgage is roughly what Hasbro paid to acquire WotC.
>>97334395And they figured out a way to turn that into millions, while you buy cardboard (or digital cardboard)
>>97334462No, anon, a house. I bought a house. I'm not sure why you thought I took out a mortgage to buy cardboard.
>>97334480What I'm not sure about is why the someone would be so hostile at you for explaining something. I really can't imagine how damaged they must be.
>>97332220i somehow hate frameless cards more than i hate circumcised framed cards
>>97334395Gotcha. So an LLC has less individual control as a subsidiary and instead can be managed directly by its parent company? I can see why a company would want to do that but I'm also a little surprised given that, around that time, Magic seemed to be doing quite well so I'd have assumed the Hasbro would take a more laissez faire approach until profits started slowing down.>>97334339This is a definition of an LLC that does clarify some things for me, but does very little to help me understand the functional differences between an incorporated business and an LLC.
>>97334522llcs aren't corporations, so they aren't required to have boards and don't issue stockalso, llcs aren't taxed (at least in my state)t. just organized an llc
>>97334522>around that time, Magic seemed to be doing quite wellAllow me to introduce the other half of WotC's portfolio. Care to hazard a guess about what happened in 2008?
>>97334550it all comes back to obama
I'm going to create my own MTG
>>97334550Oh yeah, I completely forgot what a shitshow 4ed was.
Honestly, what is the true future that awaits this game?
>>97334550>Filename Newfag here, can I get a QRD?
>>97334949Kiesewetter's Logic: "Caius is a man, men are mortal, therefore Caius is mortal." Entropy is the true future that awaits all things.
there is an alternate timeline where Magic remained under the control of Garfield just like Gaben controls SteamIt's definitely better than what's we have to live through
>>97334956Truly an insightful post
>>973349534E was going to launch with a bevy of digital tools, including a character builder and a lot of what would now be recognized as the forerunners to VTTs. That didn't happen because the guy who had been programming all the tools decided to shoot his wife and then himself and the code was too spaghetti for anyone else to get it to production in time.
>>97334962Have you seen the shit Garfield's cooked up since then? I'm honestly not sure that timeline's better.
>>97334978badass
>>97334148Trying to reason with someone who can't grasp what "inspired by" mean... You already lost the argument.>>97334180It is bad. And people are trying to hype or get hyped for it:https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3JFUQ6Y-d4>>97334292nope, nu wotc weren't playing&enjoying mtg back when shadowmoor came out, they don't know what people are nostalgic about it.>>973345504e could have been really good but there was so many things happening to cuck it. In 2008-2009 oil prices increassed and the miniature line of D&D got axed while wotc was making the edition that was based around using miniatures...>>97334962Gargfield wanted to have different backs with every edition...
So where are all the powerful white cards in Lorwyn Eclipsed?
>>97335094>Gargfield wanted to have different backs with every edition...He didn't want you mixing sets because he's a limitedchad
>>97335328
>>97335463Oh boy I can put a 1 drop into play. It's shit.
>>97334962Garfield's idea of a good time playing Magic was people discussing and arguing, in a friendly way but still, about the rules together.I have no problems talking about the rules while playing but I really don't think that should be a game design goal.
I can't wait to see the Lorwyn DnD book and how retarded the people working at wotc are and how much they didn't read of the source material.
Just here to post that holy fuck this set is boring as hell.That is all. Goodbye.
>>97335493Yeah the set is really uninspired. It's just rehashing OG Lorwyn without understanding what made it good. I think in general the design of the cards have gotten so out of hand that sets don't feel cohersive anymore and it's just boring to look at a bunch of wall of texts and keyword soups
>dad sees my JP alt art greasefang>son, what the hell is this?>start explaining how this is not the first time wotc has done tits on a furry and I pulled it from a booster>finishes reading the card>what the hell are you talking about, son>counterspells my rat
Damn after the nostalgia hype I m really thinking of skipping this set.
naya meek attack incoming, can't believe I'll be willingly putting a nonland card from dragon's maze into a deck in 2026
>>97335743In what format will you be doing this?
>>97335739>I m really thinking of skipping this set.Yep, same.
>>97335743>5 mana for 9 powerAnon, I can kill someone completely for 3 mana in most formats.
>>97335751pioneer>>97335756I know, I didn't say it was gonna be good, shitbrewing is one of the few things I have left, I will build the deck lose like 10 matches, maybe win once against someone not expecting it and that will be enough to satisfy me
>delver deck>look inside>no delve cards
>>97335789>lands deck>look inside>it runs nonlands
>magic the gathering deck>look inside>it has TMNT, Lord of the Rings (kangz edition), Avatar and 0 mtg card
>>97335328wtf is this cardholy shit that's bad
>>97335860It's a new commander wrath staple.
>>97335463>what if Kona but bad
>>97335471You put this card in Boros energy and just go even faster than you usually would.
>>97335879Enjoy paying 6 to not kill all creatures (and actually sometimes get cucked because of tribal decks...)>>97335882true but they are meant to be played in different decks. The kithcuck is meant to be played on aggro decks, kona is to be played on green midrange/combo decks.
>>97335902You are playing the tribal deck though. Your three opponents, not.
>>97335922>Your three opponents, not.How the fuck do you know that at the time you're putting the card in your deck?
>>97335933Pod insights.
>>97335743>can't believe I'll be willingly putting a nonland card from dragon's maze into a deck in 2026Voice of Resurgance
>convoke>affinity>DFCs>hogwarts drop outs
>>97336040Would you have liked it more if the card simply said it costs 1 less to cast for each forest you control instead of having the word affinity on it?
>>97336045That's how it used to work
>>97335953I haven't put voice into a deck since winota got banned and the current selesnya decks do not appeal to me at all
>>97335743You can meek attack out this in standard>>97335756Meek is meant to help you cheat in multiple things in one turn. T3 meek t4 cheat in 2 creatures.
>>97336040>changelingsSYKE THEY'RE ALL DRAFT CHAFF COMMONS xD
>>97336106>EoE had DevoirFucking hell the sets are just so uninspired and lame I can barely remember any of the fucking mechanics in any of them
>>97336106>You can meek attack out this in standardI don't want to play standard
>>97336113Devour wasn't a proper mechanic in EoE, it was one of those 'cameos' they've been doing increasingly more of at rare and mythic each set
>>97336135>it was one of those 'cameos' they've been doing increasingly more of at rare and mythic each setOh, right. My mind had blocked the memory of that stupid idea as a defense mechanism, refusing to believe any company could be so idiotic.
>>97336106I'm deck building meek attack first thing. It does end the game first activation so it will probably be control based.
>>97336229>It does end the game first activation soName one way in any format that it ends the game with one activation.
>>97336240Some Valakut bullshit probably
>>97336326>Some Valakut bullshitName one.
>>97336333I'm not that anon but he posted a land spamming card and responded to a land spamming card
>>97336240it's a typo. maybe there are enough etb cyclers to take advantage of the mana advantage
This is severely triggering my autism. Either make 10 of these guys or make them all allied or all enemy colored. This is just AAAAAAAAAH.
>>97336450In a few years, you'll be complaining about cycles not having balanced colors at all and be nostalgic about fucked up color pair choices.AND THAT'S A THREAT.
>>97336450>>97336461>5 card cycle of 2-colored cards>and the colors are>UW>UB>UR>UG>UUPerfectly Magic, as Mark intended.
>>97336229>"and im not done yet!'was the last part really necessary?
>>97336450At least the pips even out. There is no surplus of any color so maybe that will help you sleep at night.
>>97336480Of course it was. She wasn't done yet, anon.
>>97336477>everything wrong with MtG is Mark Rosewater faultgrow up please and stop the hate
>>97336494Hi Mark lmao.You suck at design.
He designed best sets.
>>97336508>Pennistrad>good
>>97336513You're God damn fucking right!
>>97336109So just like the last time?Colossus was the only playable one thanks to pro-black
>>97336520Don't forget about me
>>97336520>Colossus was the only playable one thanks to pro-blackMirror Entity saw very wide play.
>>97336530I forgot it got reprinted in Foundations.
>>97336541>Mirror Entity saw very wide play.maybe on planet retard
>>973345504e wasn't that bad, but modern day ttrpg players wouldn't be able to understand why you would focus so much on combat rules for a game about roleplaying as a transexual dragonborn concubine
>>973365446 GP top 8s and a PT top 8.
>>97332289the RKF piece emphasizes how the modern card border looks so ass without hasbro (tm) art guidelines borderless cards look better because the border itself is horrible
>>97336109This guy can replace overlord of the hauntwood
>>97336544Nah, it did see play in Modern as a finisher in Chord decks like Elves and Abzan Company. But that's besides the point. The vast majority of changelings are unplayable.
>>97336561>This guy can replace overlord of the hauntwoodlmao
The only good planes are ones not based on real world folklore.Dominaria, Mirrodin, Alara. That's it.
He forgot Rabiah.
>>97336623Sorry but Innistrad is my favourite plane so according to my also subjective opinion your choices are just second to it.
>>97336623actual truth
>>97336623based, about time someone said itInnistrad, Kamigawa, and Lorwyn were all hat sets. Nostalgia doesn't change that.
>>97336623The lore is betterThe art is betterEven the gameplay is better
>>97336704thraben charm is better
>>97336623What about Zendikar and uh...Shandalar? Those ain't based on nuthin'.
>>97336708but it's also not Standard legal
>>97336704>best of 1 jumble if unrelated silver bullets
>>97336720>ZendikarD&D plane.>ShandalarNo set. Doesn't count.
>>973365474E wasn't bad, but the launch performance was not encouraging to corporate. And that, unfortunately, is what matters.
Once again /mtg/ agrees that Edge of Eternities is a great set
>>97336704Best kithkin card so far. This should kindred
>>97336772It was fine. Eldraine was better.
>>97336759You said planes, not sets. But ok.
>>97336782Planes not in sets do not exist.MTG is a card game.
>>97336797
>>97336636Innistrad, while an excellent block, actually kind of really fucked over mtg in the long run. It thematically hits too many touchpoints of general fiction. Because of this, it's possible to do every Return to Innistrad differently by displaying a different facet of horror/mystery, but that just makes it clear that Innistrad never should have been as thematically wide as it is. The fact that the basic shit (werewolves) is totally mishandled in the original block is pretty emblematic of how the writers got distracted by all the extra thematic threads that never needed to be there.The real reason for this is that Innistrad is Ravenloft, and Ravenloft is a thematically wide setting indeed, if you ever bother to actually read past Barovia.Anyway, once WotC settled on theme park planes, Innistrad's existence caused them to run out of ideas way faster than they could have, if the direction was more focused. Eldraine and Duskmourn could have fit into Innistrad ENTIRELY.
>>97336450Nah, one of the few things they got right about this set was the colour pairing choice. Every set being cycles of all 10 or enemy/ ally gets boring so I appreciate them doing something a bit different with the Lorywn/ Shadowmoor split
>>97336823Fake set.
>>97336450These are the same as the shockland cycle from EOE. What did they mean by this
Bro, your powerful white cards??
>>97336844>Day 1>Izzet Lessons 15.8%>Day 2>Izzet Lessons 58.9%
>>97336844>Not a single deck that isn't running red or blue (most are running both)The absolute state
>>97334962Garfield wanted more parasitic designs.
>>97336844>Bro, your powerful white cards??They're in Jeskai Control.... you know, the... white splash for exactly only Lightning Helix I guess?
>>97334962Garfield's vision was to make UB from the start.
>>97336623Are you forgetting Naya's mesoamerican them and Bant's Arthurian legends theme?
>>97334962Garfield wanted niggers to tongue his anus
>>97336882Dominaria and Mirrodin, then.
>>97336882>Are you forgetting Naya's mesoamerican them and Bant's Arthurian legends theme?Minor subthemes made up for by Grixis's mutilated corpse theme and Esper's wholly unique theme.
>>97336882>Naya's mesoamerican????
>>97336910!!!!!
>>97336918It's vague at best. Half the elves are redheads.
>lgs already reduced pre-release events from 4 to 2>no lorwyn event sold out yet>can get all the product i want. nothing sold out.is uw kill?
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>>97336926Naya was really inconsistent in its visuals and easily the least visually coherent Shard.
Naya was basically two factions. The hat slop faction where the artist took the prompts too literally, and the not hat slop one where they didn't. I definitely prefer the not-hat-slop Naya over the aztec hat slop Naya. Yet more evidence that hat slop sets were bad even back then.
>>97336921What are you talking about? All their elves were dark haired. Godtracker of Jund might be the only one with light hair.
>>97336948>What are you talking about? All their elves were dark haired
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>>97336949That's a human.
>>97336955Humans are just elves with round ears, bro.
>>97336958fpbp
>>97336925JOTC Gavin and Nosewater shifted all the power from UW to UB sets. And since power in Magic generates shekels, the greed of competitive players moves the money that way. JOTC are literally forcing design to give players no real choice; buy the slop and win, or stick with real Magic and lose.
>>97336975That’s why pro magic has such great viewer num- oh wait…
>>97334550first off, 4e ruled. It was genuinely the most fun version of D&D. Was it perfect? No. but god damn I yearn to play it again. On a corporate level it was a huge failure, but people often confuse "failed to meet unrealistic sales goals" with "was not liked."Secondly, regarding your title: this myth misunderstands the whole way things played out. The digital tools were closely tied to gleemax, wotc's attempt to make "the facebook of tabletop games." the guy who did the murder-suicide was the guy in charge of gleemax. But here's the important part: GLEEMAX HAD ALREADY FAILED BY THE TIME THE MURDER-SUICIDE HAPPENED. Importantly, the day before the murder-suicide is when WoTC finally publicly announced that they were axing the whole project.Everything went to shit, and then this guy broke and killed the woman that was divorcing him. Based on the other things he had with him, he might have also planned on raping her but didn't get that far.But I get why people like this narrative. It feels like it's a tidy explanation for why the digital tools failed. But the digital tools actually failed because of incompetence. WotC did not have the kind of people who could accomplish the things they wanted in role. They were unwilling or unable to contract out the creation of their tools. They were not able to find the talent they needed - in part due to their unwillingness to pay for relocation (understandable, as they're Seattle based and moving someone out for them to get headhunted is a genuine danger in that area.) They also had a tendency to not pay as competitively as other firms. It basically amounts to "wotc was not willing to pay enough for the talent they needed, so they got the talent they were paying for."
>>97336623>Alara>Good
>>97336623>Mirrodin>Good
>>97336623>Dominaria>Good
>>97337229>>97337247>>97337255Name one good plane
>>97337267Segovia
>>97337267Old Capenna was probably a pretty good plane
>>97337267Ixalan.
>>97337267Xerex
>>97337267Nta, but Dominaria pre height of the Brothers War. In my parallel universe they treat it as the Horus Heresy of Magic. I really liked the book, and that got me serious with the game.
>>97337267Thunder Junction
>>97336723i'm sure all five standard players care a lot
>>97337267New York. Why else would we return to it 2 times within 3 years?
>>97336623>Dominaria-Zhafir (afrika)(there are lots of creatures based on afrikan folklore)-Otaria (rome)-Urza + Mishra inspired by Cain & Abel-most creatures are based on real world folklore/mythology-weatherlight saga is literally LotR&StarTreksamething for mirrodin: Golem (jew folklore)>Mirrodinwell, despite taking things from Dominaria (folklore&mythology) it is somewhat mostly pop culture things>AlaraThere are a few things like stones with hidden power, again mythology&folklore creatures like dragons,hydras,etcAlso the concept of parallel worlds that have things missing and different is a major thing in most folklores.
Wizards is in a constant cycle of releasing horribly broken cards right after they banned a shit ton of cards i standard over and overThere have been at least 5 red or blue cards that made me think "why the fuck did they print this" every setDoesn't help that they also decided to print Starting Town in to standard so now no standard deck has mana issues
>>97336450Why does Black only get one elemental while every other color gets two
>>97337507most literate /mtg/ poster
>>97337491Damn, if only a certain lying sack of shit kike had delivered on his false promises we wouldn’t go through this literally every fucking year.
>>97337491>why the fuck did they print thisThe answer is always Commander.>Green has more explosive draw in Commander where you can durdle until your 8/8 fatty resolves and thus draws 8+ cards off Soul's Majesty>Therefore blue, the draw color, needs better draw to keep up with this>Red is the weakest color in Commander because 90% of its color identity is trying to burn you as fast as possible and Commander is a format where you have 6x life to remove>Therefore red now needs ways to deal exponentially growing damage very early so they can put out 120 damage by turn 6 (oh and oops that means they can deal 20 damage by turn 3)>People aren't running noncreature spells in Commander because creatures are so overloaded any cost inefficiencies in them are smoothed over by the format being slower and the sheer amount of ongoing value they produce>Therefore we need 5000 Monastery Mentors at 1 or 2 mana every set so people run noncreature spells
>>97337639This. They design for Commander first, Draft second and Standard last. Other 60-card formats are not even given thought.
Stop pretending it's some secret knowledge.
>>97337639>>97337661Commander honestly should just be its own game and have its own card pool. There already exists dedicated commander product, might aswell just split it up properly. Leave the rules compatible for people who wanna homebrew but keep the design spaces different. Have different design teams. Keep UB slop in Commander.Give me my fucking game back.
>>97337695No but you see Commander players and collectors might get confused when the product isn't legal in the format called "Standard"
The cuck trannyfucker says stay the course!BIY BUY BUY BUY BUYBUY JUST BUY!DON'T THINK JUST BUY!BE EXCITED? FOR NEXT PODUCT!IN-UNIVERSE!BUY BUY
I know I'm naive but I'm gonna send this to WotC, Hasbro and MaRoMaybe if enough people do the same it'll at least get talked aboutDear Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro Team,I’m writing as a longtime Magic: The Gathering player who cares deeply about the game’s long-term health. I appreciate the success and accessibility of Commander, and I understand its financial importance. However, I’m increasingly concerned that designing broadly for Commander is leading to cards that create unhealthy play patterns in competitive 1v1 formats, where efficiency, repetition, and balance pressures are fundamentally different. Over time, this risks eroding the depth and stability that have sustained Magic’s competitive formats for decades.I’d like to encourage you to consider more clearly splitting product and design spaces: create dedicated cards for Commander and dedicated cards for 1v1 formats, released as separate products, while still sharing the same core rules and lore but with the caveat that the Commander cards are never legal in the 1v1 formats. This would allow each audience to be served intentionally, without one format’s needs warping another’s ecosystem. I believe this approach would strengthen Magic’s longevity by preserving what makes each way of playing special, balanced, and sustainable.Sincerely,A concerned Magic player
>>97337742send it to Maro
>>97337742Add a couple pictures of their home address and children with red X’s drawn on them and I think they’ll take it into consideration
>>97337385>Mirrodin>mostly pop culture things??????????????You can’t type shit like that without elaborating further. What’s does the “plane where everything is made of steel” has to do with modern pop culture?? I really don’t get this “reverse revisionism” of old sets that some people are talking, I always thought that “old = good” (and that’s correct in most cases). Is this some elaborate WotC shill psyop or something.The artifact lands/basic lands cycle of Mirrodin alone has more character, creativity and artistry soul then all of the cards printed in 2025 together. John Avon is a genius and a living master.
>>97337778everything was made of steel in the Y2K era
>>97337708>buyshan't
Sleep well, little oinker.
>>97337778Ninja Turtles
>>97337778Goths
>>97337778>John Avon is a genius and a living masterIn many ways Mirrodin did irrepairable damage to the game but it did look cool doing it. Thank you John!
>>97337778Rioting farm equipment
>>97337695Back when Commander was the niche format, this was the case and they had their own releases and supplements. Maybe they can revert that and make supplements that are only for 60-card formats? Modern Horizons makes me shudder, but putting everyone under the same tentpole really isn't working either. And worse than that, the problem just compounds:Standard is shitty -> people migrate to Commander -> we have to design more Commander cards -> the Commander cards make Standard shittier -> people migrate to Commander -> we have to design more Commander cards
>>97337883>>97337889>>97337907at this point of our timeline i cant tell if this is satire or pure unhinged schizophrenia
There weren't enough heavy metal music puns in Mirrodin, a real wasted opportunity. You could've had, like a Myr wearing black robes, with a mic stand staff and his name would be Ozzy Buzzbourne. Or like, a Myr wearing a black top hat thing, playing guitar and call him "/" (Slash, get it?)
more like Mirreddit
>>97337989Speaking of really epic and funny puns, how come they didn't do this one for lorwyn? There's Kithkin after all so it would have been an easy reference to make.
