Previous: >>97330846I just think she's neat edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the ruleshttps://mtgcommander.net">committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to thehttps://www.edhrec.com">internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and cardhttps://www.archidekt.com">choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen colorhttps://managathering.com">identityhttps://managathering.com>Cardhttps://scryfall.com">searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdMTQ:What is a card that looks fun to build around that you have yet to get to?
>>97339661>free value slop>funLol.
>TQEvery time I start to look at sagas to find the good ones my brain just shuts down.
>mtgsalvation? Yes, I know him...
>>97339661>TQ: What is a card that looks fun to build around that you have yet to get to?I want to do an old school style beatdown strat with this but I dont own many big CMC artifacts.
>>97339661>TQI want to put together some sort of dredge abzan or golgari deck but every time I start building it I get lost in a bunch of different directions to go from the main idea.
this execution was terrible but I might be onto something
>>97339696>the dojo
>>97339661>TQRather than a card I want to build a spellslinger commander but I don't really have the mind of a blue player so every time I'm brewing one it always fell apart.
>>97339692Why cant wotc make more pretty black women like narci?
I JUST WANT TO FUCK WITH PEOPLE BY CHANGING COLORSWOTC WHY DIDN'T YOU REPRINT THE WISPS YOU BASTARDS
>>97339751unironically racism
>>97339752You can already make your garbage color hate deck anon. All the cards exist and you'll never really get more.
this fucker is so pretty in foil but its like 14€ ....
>TQ
glarb
>>97339821>>97339831Understanding Gush
>>97339849Gush happens when I glarb my gf (i dont have a gf)
RED DECK WINS
GUYS ITS FUCKING COLD HERE AND I CANT OPEN THE LITTLE LOCK OF MY MAILBOX BECAUSE ITS FROZEN AND SO I CANT LOOK IF MY CARDS HAVE ARRIVED ALREADY ARGH!!!!
>>97339849>>97339856Gush happens when femoids see new Oko, but only female sexuality is copacetic so don't you dare become aroused by females on cardboard.
glarb rooms?
>>97339875get warm water you drillbit
>>97339882what if the neighbors see me pouring water over my mail box?
>>97339888Then tell them it sprang a leak
>>97339888fuckem. literally.
>>97339893theres an extremely hot russian milf living over me
>I land pass>land + mana dork>land + mana dork>ancient tomb + arcane signet + sol ring + dark ritual>get focused by the other two playes for being one mana behind for the next 3 turns>die>player 4 wins>"oh no, there's nothing we could have done. it came out of nowhere"
>>97339877I CRY EVERY single that I cant fap to more magic the gathering cards
>>97339821Why's he so smug?
>>97339907This but unironically
>>97339910because glarb is the antagonist in bloomburrow
>>97339849Gush happens when Bolas sees Ugin.
>>97339927yes and i'm sure you have a deep anal proxy too, gay bolas anon
>>97339906that is why you play staxit makes those retards suffer, even if you will lose anyways
>>97339661My pod loves sitting in their cucksheds never swinging out with their value engines. Regular goad doesn't work since they have tons of ways to tap on their turns and regular removal is boring.
>>97339849Damn this thing is powerful
>>97339941Isn't there a forced combat legendary that punishes people for not attacking?
>>97339821Is Glarb the best Doomsday commander?
>>97339955yes
>>97339877>femoidsI'm not a fem"oid". Oko still gets me rock hard
>>97339978most women who are into magic still get rock hard and are not fem either.
>>97339978you're not a woman either
>>97339986No shit?
>>97339991just say you're a faggot and be done with itmeanwhile lord knows us straight chuds have to cross our fingers every single set for something as mundane as a woman's pretty face and her bare shoulders
>>97340013I'm bi. So I am pleased either way.Feels based. Double the chances for goon material
>>97339941
>>97339984el oh el
>>97340016>biok fence sitter lol
>>97340026>fence sitterDon't threaten him with a good time, anon.
>>97339661I’m done buying cards for a while. Maybe a Doran deck later.
Commander for this feel?
>>97340062The goodest goy
>going down from 36 lands to 33 landsI draw a lot of cards but this still stresses me out. I'm so afraid I'll miss a land drop on turn 3 or 4.
>>97340062So based
>>97340070Card draw does not replace land count. What kind of fucking morons are you talking to my guy
>>97340070if it doesn't work out, just put them back
>>97340062
How we feeling about Lorwyn so far?
>>97340062>I’m done buying cardsGood, could you be done with my hobby too? Maybe go back to collecting funkopops or something?
>>97340090We've answered this like 1000 times in the past 10 threads.
>>97340070you need 41 lands to guarantee a +90% chance to drop 4 lands by turn 4 btw
>>97340090Love the flavor, love a good in-universe set, underwhelmed by the powerlevel, disappointed with the lack of reprints.Hopefully fans fondness for the theming can compensate for what is otherwise an average set at best.
>>97340096slop on my nuts, anon.
>>97340096Well I need to finish off buying 10,000 copies of transit mage first.
>>97340070>>97340103Just draw cards.>>97340072It literally does. Every color has cheap card draw now. Even white has draw 1 stapled onto a body for 2 mana. If you cut a land for even just a draw 1, statistically your odds of hitting land are exactly the fucking same.
>>97340062>no chocobo track foilsYou didn't beat the game
>>97340090Gonna finally make a goblin deck, like the flavor of them in this set.
>>97340107>flavorwe really just larping now. Shit isnt lorwyn at all
>>97340108>slop on my nutsYou put your UBslop on your nuts? Disgusting
>>97340103Average CMC is 2, commander is 3cmc in 2 colors. I can draw 2-4 cards on my turns so long as my commander's on the field, and I'm in blue so I'm running lots of protection.The numbers check out, but it feels kinda shaky. God forbid I get hit with a stp on turn 2 or 3 though. Then I'm topdecking for 2 lands before I can do anything.
>>97340120Are you that anon that got absolutely ass blasted saying all the art was digital and over saturated only to get btfo when WotC literally dropped a video showing that they had artists painting irl for the art?
>>97339692>>97339751>>97339756>Narci>a nappy headed-ho
>>97340122no your mom puts her dd slop on my nuts
>>97340115>i'm going to spend mana to use this draw spell to draw a card to (hopefully!!!) get my third land and pass the turn!!vs>instead of a cantrip it's a land so i get my third land drop and do something elsesorry but you cannot be taken seriously, it is what it is
>>97340127Yes.
>>97340062What am I looking at? Every surge foil Legendary creature from FF?
>>97340124>my deck completely folds if i don't have my commander outcase closed
>>97340115No it literally does not ahahahahaha youre so bad at this game ahaahahahahahah>>97340127>the art school dropout is still mad peolle dont care about his "aaahh errmmmmm technically"Yeah the art is dogshit. I never said it was digital though, just that the colors are much more vibrant than OG lorwyn. And as the entire set has been revealed i have been proven right again and again. Even the character design is god awful and missing all the charm and real world inspiration lorwyns design had. Its like a bunch of retards studied lorwyn but didnt study the design notes for why it looks the way it does.
>>97340117Only the ones I like, but some of them just came in the mail.
>>97340141Everyone who says stuff like this runs the same $2000 pile of staple slop. I'd rather play something interesting.
>>973401321. Not sure why you kept a 2 lander2. Like i said, even white has draw on bodies. I play my Spirited Companion or Helpful Hunter and now I have a blocker and draw 1.If I was missing a land drop, there's a good chance I just got it and could still cast a 1 mana spell and if I'm not missing a land drop then I just get to enjoy a draw. You gimp yourself by drawing too many lands. You only get 1 per turn in most colors and so they are often dead draws. Drawing into more draw is always better.I mean fuck, monowhite can even just tutor for plains with Knight of the White Orchid or pic related. >>97340145Can't wait to see your arguments for the above, anon. I'm sure they'll be well thought out and persuasive
>This set is actually good for onceWith the printing of so many Atogs this set I’m putting the 5c king back together. With blackjack and hookers!Changling Wayfinder is the mythic common of the set. It’s going in 5 decks atleast. No complaints indeed.The Jund Goblin deck looks fun, not as good as krenko but I can play multiple goblin decks, why not. Rimfire Torque is a secret combo piece that’s gonna make my dinosaur cloning deck blow up. Moonshadow is going in Varolz Voltron, linear strategy but it’s fun casting Berserk and killing someone. Loch Mare makes me want to play standard again (but I won’t), which hasn’t happened since Eldritch Moon. As someone that hates everything new, this sets kinda good.
>>97340145>"aaahh errmmmmm technicallyThe fuck you mean "technically"? You pissed and shit for WEEKS ITT about it being digital art, and then got hit with videos of the fucking artists painting it irl. Sounds like you're mad.
>>97340153I find it a little -1/-1 heavy
>bring back the tuck rule>remove banlistThere. I fixed commander.
>>97340151>your deck works?! must be $2k!lol>>97340152>You gimp yourself by drawing too many lands.>yes i'm not running cycling lands and lands with abilities on themthe casual goes on even though he's never going to make it
>>97340152>cant wait to see your argument for this carefully constructed hypothetical I wrote out >keeping a 2 land handAnon you play with infinite mulligans. You cant be taken seriously.
>>97340062Sweet Jesus
>>97340151losing a lot is interesting, i suppose
>>97340155I never once spoke about it being digital. I said that the colors were very saturated, using the commonplace meaning of the word, to say that they were very vibrant. That was it, you in your art school dropout spergery got mad at that. But you are free to rewrite history in whichever way you need pal :)
>>97340090There's a scant few cards I'll put in my decks, but I don't feel like building around any of their new archetypes as they didn't really add much that you couldn't do before. There was no abzan elves to unify the selesnya and golgari groups, there was no card that spews -1/-1 counters on my opponent's stuff in the color I want them in, and blight feels like a bit of a trap unless you super build around it.
>>97340090A few useful cards for my deck. Overall boring set
>>97340164>>yes i'm not running cycling landsUh. You mean those lands with "{2} Draw a card" on them?Man if only there were 2 mana bodies that drew cards... we can dream>>97340170>this carefully constructed hypothetical I wrote outWhat was carefully constructed about it? I named 2 cards in monowhite that draw you a card on ETB, and 2 that tutor for a Plains on ETB.You don't seem to have any arguments for why I should cut those cards in favor of more lands.
>>97340194>no denial of infinite mulligansI dont need to argue. You dont play edh.
>>97340180>I never once spoke about it being digital.You did and you're banking on me being too lazy to pull it up on the archives.
>>97340062Based whale
>>97340194>Man if only there were 2 mana bodies that drew cardsand generate mana too? no? hahahalook at this dumbass casual white mage thinking he's green or something lol
>>97340195>make insane allegation>"you didn't deny it so I win!!!!!"Okay anon, have it your way. I hereby officially deny the idea that you need infinite mulligans to hit card draw/tutors. Now what?>>973402011 mana more, but proving my point. I chose white specifically because it's the worst at draw and ramp.
>>97340196I dont know what you think i gain from lying here. You are no one to me anon. I am very aware of what I said. Im sorry you wasted thousands of dollars on art school.
>>97340200Disgusting.Someone should get those Indonesians away from him.
>>97340207>I dont know what you think i gain from lying here. You are no one to me anon. I am very aware of what you said.
>>97340204Its not insane anon and if you were a good player youd understand that, but you play with infinite mulligans so you dont>keeping a 2 land handImplies you play with infinite mulligans. Because if you didnt youd know that even a 40 land count deck will have to mulligan down to get more than 3 lands. Too late sadly, you lost. Real players who actually follow the rules will recognize.
>>97340204>I chose white specifically because it's the worst at draw and ramp.it's also the worst at winning with the gameplan you mentioned, enjoy being free lol
>>97340213>no u but like a faggotIs this resentment fueled post supposed to convince me of anything?
>>97340204>I chose white specifically because it's the worst at draw and ramp.It's not. As the mono White sensei in this thread, you are playing mono White wrong. Red is the worst at ramp and card draw. Go play red, you don't understand White's power.
>>97340204>white worst at ramp and draw>this is the person giving you deck building advice Put your lands back in your deck anon. I can guarantee you dont actually need those 3 nonland cards.
>>97340229>Red is the worst at ramp and card draw.>literally the only color other than black to have rituals on instants and sorceries>a trillion "exile a card, you may cast it until end or turn" and "draw and discard" effectsI'm here to tell you YOU are playing RED wrong anon.First of all you're going to put all 3 of these in your deck:>Desperate Ritual>Seething Song>Mana GeyserThen you're going to stop being a pussy and crying about not being able to build a hand of a bajillion cards. You're going to keep the best cards in your hand and discard the ones you either don't need or are more useful in your graveyard>Faithless Looting>Thrill of Possibility>Witch's Mark>Demand AnswersAll of them are going in anon.You WILL ramp.You WILL draw.You WILL like it.
>>97340251>3 ritual spellsRamp is persistent mana, from turn to turn. Rituals arent ramp>4 shitty cards that give you +1 card at best on average>doesnt even list the most goated red draw spells ever made that are actually just straight advantage.AAAAAAAHHHHHHH THIS IS ACTUALLY PAINFUL LMAO listen and learn from your betters bitchboy
>>97340251and you WILL lose.
>>97340271>Ramp is persistent mana, from turn to turn. Rituals arent rampAhahahahaha that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.Who needs fucking rocks and lands on board if the game is already over?>give you +1 card at best on average>nooooooooo my pwecious cawds!!!! i needs all of dem!!Are you that faggot that cries about mill all the time?You only need the cards that are useful to you right now. You will not see the majority of cards in your deck in a game. You do play games, right anon?
>>97340329>Who needs fucking rocks and lands on board if the game is already over?who needs much of anything, really
i can always dump the card into my graveyard no matter what it is, correct? the wording If you don’t confuses me.
>>97340339yeah, you dont have to put a card in your hand at all even if it is the chosen creature type, so you can bin it instead.
>>97340339Yes
>>97340339at the beginning of your upkeep you look at the top card of your library and choose oneif it's a card of the chosen type, reveal it and put it in your hand (this is herald's horn)not reveal it and put it in your graveyarddo nothing and go to draw step (and draw the card)
Do combat draw cards
>>97340349>>97340350>>97340355okay thanks. just had to make sure the dumping doesnt require me to reveal a card beforehand locking me into dumping only chosen creatures.
Thoughts?
>>97339661>What is a card that looks fun to build around that you have yet to get to?Esper Equipment seems neat, this Noctis and Conner from the AC set both seem cool.
>>97340070Use a Hypergeometric Calculator
>>97340366whatever you do buy the non foil version. the foils from the panorama boxes look worse than the cheapest chink proxies.
>>97340365give me your commander
>>97340365requires your commander to be out and for it to have a power of at least 4
>>97340365Rather just pay one more for this. Unless they're playing fatasses you'll likely wipe their entire board.
>>97340379I was thinking of using with deathtouch, actually.
>monk gyatso>gyatt>has an ancient cake-making technique>cakeavatar (2005) was truly ahead of its time
>>97340411Monk gyat so what?I don't speak zoomer.
>>97340410ah that's a nice interaction, go for it
>>97340090Tangolands and cycling duals got the simic card, allowing sultai and bant to run a full set. Only the izzet and orzhov versions of these lands remain.Set released a large number of tracking issues and Commander Killer 9000 cards which is weird until you realize the lead designer is the same one we had for Throne of Eldraine (i.e. 3-mana Oko)
Just play indestructible Voltron with 20 board wipes. No one will have fun but your win rate will go up.
>>97340490until you face one edict or fog loop
>>97340485They released a second version of eaten by piranhas which I already thought was a pretty solid answer to problematic commanders. Don't know why we have a guy in here who keeps banging on about tuck coming back every thread. When you've got access to so many enchantments that turn your opponent's commander into a useless rodent who needs to send it back to the deck?
>>97340490voltron is inherently a weak strategywhat's good though is a robust combo primary plan with a big dumb creature as a backup, as cedh has proven with korvold and now dargo
>>97340505I love humble effects because they push you to run interaction of some kind.
>>97340505Yeah well now he has a way to effectively remove commanders for 2 mana in his own command zone that's also possible to flicker.At this point the real question isn't if you can do it. It's more if anyone will still play with you after you build the deck around it.
>>97340509>mfw saccing him to ashnod's pays for his commander tax that turn
>>97340485>>97340529
>>97340509>big dumb creature as a backup>DargoDargo is the COMBO
>>97340536>Dargo is the COMBOyeah and if that fails you can always bash people for 7 a turneven kraum does a bit of that in blue farm to pressure ad naus players, that haste ain't for show
>>97340132You need card draw anyways because you can't sustain land + spell on 1 draw a turn. And you can't statistically curve out higher costs reliably, so you're better off running more low/mid cost cards and drawing enough that you can play 2-3 spells on later turns. And since you'll be drawing anyways, you'll draw into enough lands. Running high land counts is for 20 life 1v1 formats, where the tempo matters much more.>>97340164Oh, so drawing a land and spending mana to draw into a spell is good, but drawing a spell and spending mana to draw into a land is an unacceptable loss of tempo?
>>97340090great cards for tayamoh, the -1/-1 counter guy too, I guessshock lands because the set is a flop for everyone else
>>97340611>high land counts is for 60 card 1v1 formatsUhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 60 card decks dont run more lands. They sit right around 35% just like EDH decks. You are literally just saying shit with nothing to back it up
>>97340611>Oh, so drawing a land and spending mana to draw into a spell is good, but drawing a spell and spending mana to draw into a land is an unacceptable loss of tempo?nta but yes, because being screwed is worse than being flooded. You need mana to hit those draw spells in the first place.
>friend refuses to not mana weave before shuffling over 10 times>Mulligans >Mulligans >Weaves again >Mulligans>Mulligans >Scoops because going down to or below is "unplayable">Does this every other game
Friendly reminder that touching more cards is the best way to win more games. Also as a sand person, I'd rather play mono red than mono white.
>>97340693>As a sand personShouldn't you prefer WBRG?
>>97340693Fucking Tuskens
>>97340652>friend refuses to not cheatyou guys are playing with proxies already, i don't see why mana weaving is somehow a step too far
>>97340693>as a sand personsorry only pretty sand people are allowed here
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97340693HUUUR! HUR HUR HUR HUR!
>>97340707Word of God is that mana weaving's okay and not cheating as long as you shuffle after.
>>97340724Ah i see, your friend just runs shit land counts then, many such cases
>>97340728Not that anon, but yeah, he probably does. Though sometimes you do just get fucking lucksacked.And besides, thinking more critically, isn't the fact that he mana weaves but gets junk hands so often evidence that it DOESN'T provide any tangible advantage?
>>97340724>>97340738You'll take my placebo weaving when you pry it from my cold dead hand.
>>97340743Brother. I do it too.I'm fully aware it's a Placebo. It jsut makes me feel better
>>97340710she cute
>>97339661>What is a card that looks fun to build around that you have yet to get to?I said I would once earthbending came out but just haven't gotten around to it yet.
>>97340090As a newfag who started with Ravnica Allegiance, it's alright. Better than Tarkir though. I really disliked that set even though all the boomers tried to hype it up as "reeeeal magic bro"
>>97340153I tell myself every year I'll make an Atogatog list, maybe this year I finally do it.
>>97340090Compared to UW sets and only from looking at the cards on paper:EOE>ECL>DFT>TDMLorwyn gets me one clean upgrade, a sidegrade and four cards to try out.Tam and Abigale could be interesting commanders.pretty good set on paper in regards to commander.
>>97340857>EOE at the topYummy yummy! Star Trek sloppy in my tummy!
>>97340857Bait doesn't work when it's this obvious.
>>97340365Going to run it simply because it has my name
>Admit you enjoy literally set of cards>omg omg slop slop sloppa piggy>Admit you own real cards and not proxies>oinky oink oink piggy wiggy want some sloppy whoppy?>Admit you enjoy a commander that isn't a 20 year old old border unplayable boomer card>errrrm, your slop sir?>Post about one of your games>that didn't happen btw x5>Post deck!>Only responses to anons posting decks are just shitting on them for UB cards or admiring/getting angry at coomer proxiesThis general fucking sucks man. You guys so obviously don't play the game considering none of you want anything to do with it. Fucking miserable state of affairs.
>>97339849Can you pay that alternative casting cost by returning token copies of islands?
>>97340883Okay sloppenheimer
>>97339942>draw two cards>ensure you make land drop for the next two turnsit's kino and sovl
>shaman>shaman>shaman>sorcererfffffffuck youuuuu mark nosewater
>>97340919
>>97340919So did all use of shaman, creature type and in effect text, get errated into sorcerers now or are old shaman specific cards fucked?
>>97340877Who the fuck names their kid "of"Parents couldn't even afford a damn capital letter!
Unless your card is a super ultra staple you should (speed)read your fucking yugioh card box essay aloud. If everyone at the pod kind of knows your deck then sure whatever. But I don't play green sod better read your greenslop to me when you play it so I know whether to lightning bolt it or counter it.
>>97340939there are now shamans, sorcerers, and shaman sorcerers
>>97340365You're not Alexander!
Good morning I love Izzet.
>>97341071That just gave me a retarded idea. Try to make a deck only using cards with the name "Alexander" printed on them
>>97341087Okay yeah, this is unironically shockingly workable. Not only are there over 500 cards to pick from, there's a 5 color commander and literally every basic available, as well as some decent nonbasics
>>97341012I don't know what it does, but I've heard it's quite the beater.
>>97341106I can't remember the name, but I know that there was a joke website made that would randomly generate a textbox for questing beast stealing text lines from other cards. If I could I'd link it here.
I would like to honest with people I am going to play and manage their expectations - what comes to your mind if somebody says they are black? Any specific mechanics or cards you worry about and would like to hear about before game? Do you expect that the black player will try to sacrifice their creatures and make you sacrifice yours? That there is going to be some removal? Discard? Lifedrain? That I would like to see your graveyards, because you might have nice stuff there? What do you like on playing against black players and what would you prefer them to not do?
>>97341106reading the card explains the card
>>97340365this and fated clash have already won me both games I cast em. going to be real funny once people catch on and there are none left because it's some small quantity holiday release
>>97341126cost about 10 cent
How much do you reckon you have to stack your deck with typal cards for Herald's Horn to be worth it?I'm currently running 21 cats, I worry that it's not enough to be worth cutting an Arcane Signet for it.
>>97341149there are always going to be goys crying about it tho
Color indicators on cards should not count towards color identity in the 99.Hybrid mana should be an "either" in the 99.Twobrid mana should be colorless in the 99.There should be a 7-card sideboard where companions reside.Devoid should remove color identity in the 99 to give it more functional identity (you still need to pay the cost somehow though so figure it out).No I don't care how bad these ideas are or what people think about them. I think they would be interesting.
>>97341085I also love gay dragon sex.
>>97341154Would you let her hit you to draw some cards?
>>97341176>human soldier>green white that drawsI reckon that she'd be in red as an impulse draw. And she'd be a demon, of course.
>>97341176depends on the situation
>>97340251>>Desperate Ritual>>Seething Song>>Mana GeyserObjectively Not ramp>Faithless Looting>Thrill of Possibility>Witch's Mark>Demand AnswersObjectively not card draw.Retard.
>running draw spells instead of another funny pet bomb so you can.. draw another funny bomb anywaydoesn't math up
>>97341211are looting effects not card draw? Impulse effects?
>>97341176Depends... I can use two cards, most of the time. But do I get punished for drawing? Do you get rewarded for drawing? I don't want any accidental snake situation.
>>97341199"Draw cards equal to this creature's power" is the green method of draw. White adds "for both players."
calling all coomers. what swamps and mountains to play to complete the cycle?
>>97341429whats the correlation you see between lumenwood and emry's ability?
>>97341329https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Ayonic+%28t%3Aswamp+or+t%3Amountain
>>97340062funny thing is that all of those look like proxies lol
>>97341441Self-mill is a good represantation of gaining advantage through losing your mind (since library = mind).Lumenwood lead to discoveries (Artifacts) but they also are correlated to (mental) transcendance, which is often harmful to the host, therefor milling is appropriate.
I know we have plenty of Faerie support, but could we have gotten one Faerie-specific commander from the original Faerie set instead of stapling Elves to it when they get several more unique legendaries for Elf tribal?
>>97341494Hm, the milling part makes sense, and finding something useful in the madness as well I suppose.
>>97341472You wish proxyfag lmao
>>97341630nope, its just that anime style doesnt fit at all on magic cards.if I wanna see anime slop I would play yugioh or pokemon
>>97341646And if you wanna see gay slop you'd play UW
>>97340920so we're all in agreement that clearly isn't Ashling in the art, right?
>>97341672Final Fantasy has multiple cards featuring a crossdresser
DUUUUUUUUUUUDE I HECKIN LOVE OMENPATHS! I LOVE IN-UNIVERSE FORTNITE CROSSOVERS IT WAS SO PEAK TO SEE RAKDOS FOR THE 17TH TIME BUT AS A COWBOY! I'M OPENING MY MOUTH SO WIDE TO SEE HALF THE LOREWYN LEGENDS BS HARRY POTTER OCS!!
FF slop lover being triggered hard right now lol
>>97341715Based japs making a joke out of the lgbtq cult, westoids could never
>>97341692It was probably supposed to be a different character but then they changed their mind last minute and just said fuck it this is ashling now all flamekin look the same anyway.
Uh oh UW melty
wouldnt ashling make it a UW burny
We really are gonna have the same fucking argument every thread from now on aren't we?
>>97340883"Everything is slop" is a site wide problem dude
remember to not engage shitposters, trolls and bad actors, no matter how much they shit themselves in order to get you to reply.
>>97341012if i dont know a card i just grab it and read it on my own time to not slow the turn down
>>97340883It really doesn't get better anon. The same 5 or 7 anons just complain about everything and ruin the general.
>>97341842it just makes it really easy to dismiss them. theres a few anons worth replying to still.
>>97341852yeah sometime the threads can be pretty good, the last TQ where anons showed off combos they like was a really great one. I just wish more anons were willing to participate in these threads outside of complaining about UB or UW
>>97340869EoE was and is a good set and I'm tired of pretending it's not
I like this guy
>>97341495Are there even enough green faeries for this commander to make sense to use in sultai tribal? It doesn't seem better than Alela
>>97341946You don't need to have green fairies, you can have her as your commander without a single other green card in the deck and it would still be fine.
>>97341732>4/16>halfnigga can't count
>>97341786any argument outside of this circle jerk will be called bait.
>>97341495Nothing stops you from building her without elves.
>>97339752Really hope we get a sultai version of her in reality fracture. I've been wanting a commander designed for color manipulation/landwalk matters for years.
>>97340023Not good enough. I don't just want them attacking with trash, I want to yank their piggie value engines out of their mud and straw houses and force them to become men by slamming into other people's engines.
>>97341495is it just me or is this far better as an elf commander than a faerie commander?
>>97342066>im a man grrrr >=(>ermmmm wotc please print a commander specifically for me because I cant make a deck unless the commander tells ms how >.<Hilarious post.
>>97342086Yes, because elves are a better tribe.
>>97342086She's absolutely not. You benefit the most from her ability by playing Flash, and Elves don't have that keyword as much as Faeries do.
>>97340062I wish Green queen and her Italian version had more synergy.
*grabs your card*
>>97342123>skins you
>>97340090Elementals. Goblins. Kithkin. -1/-1 counters. [Insert]voke. Pretty bad set on average.
>>97342123>>97342131
>>97342113How does she benefit from flash more than any other legendary anon...
>>97340883Proxies are real cards. What you mean to say is "cards printed by the corporation".
>>97341732>EDH players upset that they have to sleep in the bed they made for themselvesYou love to see it.
>>97342180>exiled with maralen THIS TURNMissed them words. Me personally I think id more go blink route so I have the option to include faeries or elves.
>>97341495Faeries got shafted hard this set.
>>97342186>This counterfeit dollar bill is a real dollar bill
>>97342186Proxies aren't genuine mtg cards and no amount of "but muh game pieces!" will ever change that
>>97342197>this lab made diamond is not the same as an earth mined diamond!
>>97342205Correct.
>>97342188What does this even mean lol
>>97342205Obviously duh
>>97342205When chang can produce a counterfeit that can pass the green dot test this argument might fly.
>>97342198>put a proxied forest down>tap it for 1 green to play llanowar elves>literally nobody disputes my playHuh, sure seems real and genuine to me! Sorry I'm not buying your bags investard, I'm sure some other card flipper will be as dumb as you were and buy them off you hoping to flip a profit though!
>>97342223Naps are great
>>97342205What gives a Magic card its legitimacy is that it's printed by WotC. If it's not officially printed by WotC, it's not a real magic card. It's a bootleg.And don't get me wrong. I think you should proxy. Especially when you're testing out cards. But part of this is recognizing that you're not using real Magic cards.
>>97342236Reminder that you are nothing more than F2P and whales carry this game, that's why it's UB now, proxyfag
>>97340883What happened to nuance in this world? Real cards are neat and collectible real pieces are enjoyable to have, but I'm also going to proxy game pieces I don't feel like spending a bunch on. I know how to balance a deck and not make it just a pubstomping proxy deck so that isn't an issue either.
>the hapless poorfag is once again desperately trying to prove he is valid
>>97342223Everything you hate about the direction of Magic is your fault. Omenpaths, UB, card design, wearing down of the color pie, etc.Don't like that the strixhaven characters are showing up in Lorwyn? Too bad. Your need for more legendaries to get printed means that wotc had to invent a justification for various glop shittos to show up on multiple planes even when it makes no sense for them to do so.
>your ink and cardboard isn't real because it didn't come out of printer A and doesn't have this specific pixel on it! It came out of some other printer! >:( it's not real!More like you're not (a) real (woman) lmao
>>97342255Yes you didnt come out of your mom's vagina with the correct chromosomes, sorry tranny
>>97342255Anon, you claiming proxies are real cards is you being the troon in this scenario.
>>97342254How is this our fault lmao. You sound like a bitter faggot who just wants to get mad
>>97342278Because you hogs keep buying it.
While I'm sure the reaction would be "Okay, sure whatever." if you said to the pod before playing "This entire deck isn't genuine, it all counterfeits from china," I know none of you do this. You either just play without saying anything, or you only play with your friends that won't question or are doing it too.
>>97342255Correct, it's not an authentic Magic card.Your black and white print out taped to token is not a real magic card, much like you are not a real man.
>>97341807a worldwide problem
>>97342302>You either just play without saying anythingAnd there is nothing wrong with this if you know how to balance your deck.
>>97342302So here's the thing. With most tables, if you sit down and say "hey I'm using some proxies, is that cool?" no one is going to give a shit.But it's when you start going "my proxies are real" that you start getting objections. Because they're objectively not real.
>>97342302I always tell the lads at the LGS if I'm playing with proxies, and have real decks ready in case someone decides to be a little bitch about it
>>97342325This desu. Except if you use boob proxies in an LGS full of kids.
>>97342319>if you know how to balance your deckProxyfags can never though, they are the overwhelming cause of pod arms races foe a reason
>>97342244>>97342251Remember when you had a literal melty and admitted you seethe about proxies because you want the game to be pay to win and you're angry you can't pubstomp by playing a $2400 deck? We do :)
>>97342333That's still a player problem rather than a tool problem, but I agree that most people let proxies turn them into powergamers.
>>97342331I'm going to go a step beyond - if you use coomer proxies, don't. It's fucking weird.
>>97342302>guys I'm using pwoxies is that okay with u giga chads uwuLiteral trooncoded autist behavior. If this is what playing at LGS's is like in your area I feel sorry for you (unless you're part of the problem). Imagine giving a fuck about where other people's cards were printed. The only thing that should he asked is deck type/power levels, anything else is infantile.
>>97342336Remember when you weren't a schizo? Me neither!
>>97342331>Except if you use boob proxies in an LGS full of kids.Luckily, only once did a kid come into the lgs when I was using my boob proxies, and I immediately scooped when he started to walk to the tables with his parent.
>>97342351>The only thing that should he asked is deck type/power levelsproxy retards don't understand deck power levels because someone else made the deck for them
>>97342351>Imagine giving a fuck about if someone was born with XX or XY chromosomesLol retard
>>97342351>No, I will not inform you that I am cheating.
>>97342336Not everyone who disagrees with you in the same person.That said, I could dogwalk you with a deck made entirely of draft chaff.
>>97342356>If I pretend I didn't out myself as a douchebag retard it didn't happen!>>97342368The fuck are you even trying to say. Half the shit you spam out doesn't even make sense you actual retard. You're the genuine schizo, making up shit no one said and which never happens to justify your retarded viewpoints.
>>97342376>internet tough guyNo you couldn't. Grow up and stop caring about where other people's cards were printed.>>97342374 see >>97342389
>>97342389Look at him go. He's so assblasted.
You all need a real hobby so you have something else to do besides have the same arguments every day.
>>97342398
>>97342389>You're the genuine schizo, making up shit no one saidYou even have one of your kind admitting to the total lack of self-restraint of proxyfags you dumb fuck>>97342344
>>97342396No, those posts you are saying don't make sense are perfectly inline with the comment you made. you're just too retarded and seething to admit it.
>>97342351If you run proxies without tell me, I'm calling a judge and getting you issued a game loss.It's not even that I hate the idea of you proxying. If you'd said something before, I would have been cool with it - we metaphorically shook hands that this was okay.But if we don't have that metaphorical handshake, I'm not going to ignore a chance to get an advantage in game so you can enjoy yourself.
>>97342401This and unironically so. Antiproxyfag(s) are obviously mega losers irl since they've invested their personality so hard into consooming they have literal melties at the mere mention of proxies and spout the same tired bunch of made up pseduoreligous talking points about shit that never happened.I wish the board had IDs so we could block them. They ruin every single thread with their malding. It's endemic at this point.
Going to the LGS this afternoon, you guys want anything?
Boo
>>97342428Foil Black Lotus.
>>97342404>the retard is still seething that he got so much pushback for defending the idea that proxies are real cardsHahahahaha
>>97342422>calling a judge Who's talking about tournaments? No, absolutely no one should be using proxied at tournaments unless it's for fun/casual. In all other regards proxies are perfectly fine.
>>97342401every real hobbies have something they argue about forever
>>97342425Proxyfags are THIS unaware of themselves.
>>97342425Ofc we keep talking about shit that never happened, because (You) keep saying that you have real cards when you never had real cards to begin with
I wish we got a Yugioh Universe beyond set.I love the early aesthetic but the card game is quite unfun.
>>97342440If we're playing at an LGS, there is a judge there. I am making use of the resources available to me.
>>97342440>in all other regards proxies are perfectly fineAnte your worthless proxies, NOW
>>97342448They are real cards. I put down a proxy forest and tap it for 1 geen mana, everyone at the table will agree I just created 1 green mana. That's the definition of real in this context. What you're talking about are company printed cards, which I freely concede proxies are not, so you can stop screeching about that.
>>97342450Same, I tried playing Master Duel and it's so ass
>>97342453Again I feel sorry if this is what your LGS's are like, because in any of mine the store owner would call you a dumbass and make you buy a beer for wasting their time.
>>97339751Female beauty is a patriarchal symbol of white supremacy.
>>97342460>everyone at the table will agree I just created 1 green mana.Incorrect. I am accusing of you cheating.
>>97342460What's funny is that you think "real" = not fantasy when "real" simply means genuine, sorry you're not part of the club i guess
What do you think of nickname/special guest proxies?Something like making custom cards that are mechanically identical but with a unique name and art like the Godzilla cards were?
>>97342470>m-muh lgs loves people who don't spend money in the store, I swearI've never met an LGS owner who LIKES proxies. Ever.
>>97342470That's because the LGS you go at are just nerd cafes and could care less if you played with scribbled cardboard
>>97342428its sunday. proper christians dont work on sunday.
>>97342476Accuse away, you're wrong and everyone will laugh at you and make sure to avoid playing with you in the future due to your extremely unpleasant and autistic behavior.>>97342477Everything you right is embarassing and esl tier. "Part of the club?" The fuck are you talking about retard? Go for a walk and expend some of that tard energy my man.
>>97342240Are gold boarder cards real Magic cards?
>>97342450With how much konami has devalued yugioh through massive overprinting (proxyfags will ignore this btw) yugioh UB isnt completely off the table
>>97342498Yep that's right you're not part of the whale club that's guiding wotc's next moves (UB all the way baby) and are just a seething F2P being put in his place, it is what it is
>>97342505as a matter of fact, yes.
>>97342498>Accuse away, you're wrong and everyone will laugh at you and make sure to avoid playing with you in the future due to your extremely unpleasant and autistic behavior.Nah. Table will side with me. What kind of brokie can't afford a basic forest?
>>97342483Again, made up argument. At every LGS I play/played at, proxies were fine and proxy using regulars also regularly bought packs, food/booze/singles/deck boxes, etc. the owners care more about butts in the seats and a welcoming atmosphere to encourage repeat visits (and the inevitable sales those bring), which is why they're still operating in an era where tons of hobby stores are closing.At your lgs is your deck made up exclusively of cards you got from there, either through packs or singles? If not you're a fucking hypocrite and should stop going because by your logic you're not truly supporting your lgs.
RULES QUESTION Felothar, Dawn of the Abzan>Whenever Felothar enters or attacks, you may sacrifice a nonland permanent. When you do, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.Experimental Confectioner>Whenever you sacrifice a Food, create a 1/1 black Rat creature token with “This token can’t block.”If I sacrifice an existing food to Felothar, does the Confectioner trigger happen and create a rat who gets one of the 1/1 counters, or does Felothar's fill ability resolve before the rat is created?
>>97342505They're authentic magic cards yes that's why gold border cradle has valueBtw once brackets becomes mainstream b2/b3 tournaments follow and that's when wotc will finally make gold borders tourney legal
>>97342523I didn't say anything about piss boarder.
>>97342524It's an >ESL doesn't understand what examples areepisode. Man I love reruns!
>>97342527Thanks for admitting your LGS business model is being a cafe for nerds btw, roru rumao
>>97342541solid business model. no lgs can survive on card nerds alone. my lgs is being carried by table top whales.
>>97342455Enjoy it. I'll make a new one.
>>97342552>haha i rely on w40k whales to fund my F2P, god forbid proxyfags invade that space too thoughLol
>>97342571you imply i am in this proxy discussion. i am not.
>>97342553>i beat coomette again and again racking up wins>coomette just prints coomer shit again and again to coom in his head as i beat himThat's a fair transaction if i ever saw one
>>97342528You can freely stack the triggers in any order you want
>>97342528you can stack them so confectioner's resolves first
>>97340251>Red is the worst at ramp and card draw.Time for another rousing episode of "it's only card draw if it nets you a card"
>>97342425Pathetic response to me anon.
>>97342610Yes? Otherwise it's card selection.
>>97342610Your pedantry aside, the issue isnt that red is as a whole weak, as it's fucking strong in cedh, but that red is ill equipped to play the battlecruiser meta of casual edh where resources are gradually acquired and wincons are incremental
Anybody got the stroke of genius edit that's just stroke
>>97342624Red generally doesn't do battlecruiser, it's true. But it still has some pretty flashy options: All Will Be One, KCI loops with artifact ETB triggers, >>97342614By that rationale every wheel is also just card selection which is a position no sane person holds
>>97342660this is supposed to say "Crackle with Power" after KCI loops
>>97342553why make proxies of bad cards
>>97342669Because he doesnt want to admit that proxying inevitably leads to cedh
>>97342674If proxying only led to cedh I wouldn't have much problem with it. Proxying leads to something much worse: Trying to pubstomp.
>>97342684>trying to pubstompGuess what the pubstomped players are going to do next once they find out they being beaten by proxies (it's not leaving btw)
>>97342694Which leads to the worst tables of all time: People with access to cedh cards with barely any idea how to play a bracket 2 deck.
I was excited to build Koh but I realized it would just be a Black version of the Marvin deck im working on essentially or my black landfall deck so now i just got a few cards I dont know what to do with. In better news I finished Ragost, messed around with Lilah a bit and my heliod deck is near completion. Ave me
>>97342654Sounds funny as fuck. I am interested as well.
>>97342541 Actually sounds like a cool place to hang out
>>97339661Rules question: Moonshadow wouldnt trigger Garruk's Uprising draw ability because it's technically entering as a 1/1 correct?
>>97342552Literally every lgs in my city survives off card and sealed sales as it is 90% of the stores. Only one of them has snacks and drinks both of which have not been stocked in years
>>97342778Correct
>>97342669I wouldn't really call that a bad card, just incredibly niche. Its just fun anon.>>97342674Why would I not admit something blatantly obvious? I can't control what other people do with their decks with proxies, only my own, but yes most of the time giving people full access to every card ever printed will lead to low self-control.
>>97342778Yes, the game checks these things after all modifications are applied to P/T. Like how if you have 3 anthems out and cast a 1/1, Garruk's Uprising will trigger from it
>>97342796>>97342805Thanks anons
Saheeli, Genius QueenRBCreature - Genius Advisor Artificer GodWhenever an opponent casts a spell, draws a card, attacks or ends the turn, you may have that player create a treasure token unless they pay 1. If they do, you may have them create a treasure. When you do, gain control of those treasures. "DO NOT REDEEM YOU BASTERD BITCH"
>>97343061
>>97343061>that nested trigger
>>97343061Make a Brahmin creature type for her.
>>97343061What's stopping people from just using the treasure as soon as it comes in before control is transferred?
>>97343143>What's stopping people-Interacting with the stack.
>>97343143Because its all part of a single ability resolving, which you can't interact with, I think.
>>97341786it's what UBpiggers fucking deserve
>>97343214It's what UWpoorers deserve yes
I want to build this but only if it's not a gay or a trannyCan any lorefag help me out?
What's the best thing to do with the Gitrog dredge loop in the unedited Hearthhull precon?
>>97343232Was final fantasy truly the only non-pozzed set?
>>97343246Yes
>>97342553get a trip so those of us with taste dont have to see this
>>97342528>>97342602>>97342598Wrong. Felothar's ability is a trigger, so paying the cost is part of the resolution. This means the Confectioner's ability can't even go onto the stack until you've put the +1/+1 counters on your creatures.
>>97343232He's a guy, no orientation information as yet available.
>>97343246>>97343253Don’t make me post the troon card>inb4 it’s okay because it was just le funny haha joke!!!!Yeah tell that to the troons playing FF14
>>97343225Did you mean in-universe?
>>97343402What the fuck are you talking about schizo
>>97342778Yes because it “enters with” it would be different if it entered and had an ETB that put the counters on after.It’s actually a fascinating rule fuck up that WotC had to deal with, especially on Arena, way back when angels were “entering with” +1/+1s. Mechanically the game did not support such design and they literally had to change the rules.
>>97343419Just don't engage with him, if his poopy diaper melty doesn't get any attention he'll eventually fuck off.
>>97343419He's talking about this.Because the game made you make cloud get into drag for a single "stealth mission" and being a large joke, actually just means they're pushing troon politics. He's retarded.
>>97343282I thought it worked this way, but doesn't the "when you do" trigger in the second sentence create a reflexive trigger, which goes on the stack and could then be ordered separately with the Confectioner trigger?
>>97343445>it’s just a joke!!!!!!AHAHAHAHA HE SAID IT!
>>97343450Ah, yes, that's correct. My mistake.
>>97343419>>97343445He's using the crossdressing joke as some kind of gotcha against UBgods.Which btw is hilarious when final fantasy has an actual gay dude that the schizo will never acknowledge as said gay dude isnt a flaming faggot but is just about among the chaddest chads out there
>>97343475Yes anon. Actually play ff7
>>97343475Legitimately awful bait.
>>97343154>>97343171>>97343143It’s a reflexive trigger, so you can sacrifice the treasures, but the indian doesnt want you to, and will try to tell you its all one ability resolving. But you can redeem the treasures.
Why's this nasty bitch smelling his fingers?
>new Ashling already has 2 errataJesus fucking Christ. They’ve had months to fix this shit.
>>97343490>final fantasy has an actual gay dude that the schizo will never acknowledge Imagine being this smug that you know every character in a UBslop franchise and others don’t
>>97343627>UBslophe did it. he said the thing
>>97343518
>>97343639Legitimately awful bait.
>>97343617what is the first one? I heard about the evoke not working on instants/sorceries
>>97343592what kind of sick fuck wouldnt inhale his ball musk?
My Wylie Duke pile just keeps winning.
>>97343564Even aside from that, tapping a treasure is a mana ability and doesn't use the stack. The only value you'd ever get out of this is scamming people who don't know better, which I suppose is a flavor win.
>>97343617Ai unironically would help them in design/qa. >semantic validation >playtest engine for each format >value/impact/infinite combo permutations Magic already uses psuedo code and templated language
>>97343651The cards “have” evoke needs to be changed to “gain” evoke to prevent a rules interaction where you could bounce Ashling in response to the evoke cast and avoid sacking the creature because it no longer “has” evoke. Because evoke is a static cast ability and a trigger on a permanent
>>97343673That’s the point of the card idea!
>>97343673It doesn't use the stack, but you can only activate it when you have priority (or if a spell/ability/effect requires you to pay mana).
>>97343685I've seen the AI outputs for Magic card design. It's not better.
>>97343627Yes i happen to know what goes on in superior IPs, meanwhile UWfags could never lol
>>97343685>Ai unironically would help them in design/qa.No it wouldn't. They need to just stop slobbering at the idea of pushing out the next UB set and actually pay someone to double and triple check cards.
>>973437661. Those are general purpose llms, not an llm trained specifically with mtg rules and cards. 2. They aren’t to design cards.3. They are to provide ‘does this go infinite easily?’ ‘Is it worded correctly?’ ‘Does it deviate from historical wording?’ ‘What are the current rules impact that may be easily missed?’
>>97343425>Yes because it “enters with” it would be different if it entered and had an ETB that put the counters on after.Because then you could stack the triggers?
>>97343793>>97343766>a card game that uses defined word relationships in a near turing complete fashion>AWKCTUSLLY, USING LLM TO PARSE THIS FOR 40k+ CARDS AND EDGE CASE RULES IS BAD
>>97343793Wotc does in fact pay their A-team, except their A-team is all on UB and the B-team is all on UW and rushed out sets like spiderman
>>97343793They need to acknowledge not every set needs to be 300+ cards now that they are releasing 8 sets a year. >inb4 muh draftTrying to support a half dozen formats in this game is a mistake.
>>97343819AI is useless as an oversight for card design presently because no AI that understands Magic's rule set or game balance currently exists. Sure, there are bots in magic programs who can pilot crappy ineffective 60 piles of junk to simulate fun for a player, but good luck training one to intuit more complex interactions with brand new cards. Better off just hiring a few judges to look over new cards before release.
>buddy goes hard and swings at me for lethal to get to also get a bunch of combat triggers to bleed the table out>cast pic related and end the combat>on my turn drop voice of victory, then gisela, then moonshaker and kill everyone>tries to path my gisela, tell him he cant cast spells on my turn>then says i should have let him wind back combat and not tap his creatures so he would have blockers, he didnt have flyersIm a fog believer now boys
>>97344016>then says i should have let him wind back combat and not tap his creatures so he would have blockersWhere do you even find people this retarded? Was your friend made in a lab or something?
