Kithkin edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97332220>TQWhat is your favorite Magic exclusive creature type?
>tqHairless Vedalken
>>97340698>TQHuman
>>97340698shadowmoor kithkin
>>97340698>TQAre Hellions a MtG creation?
>>97340768Yes. The closest non-mtg comparison is the mongolian death worm.
>TQ
>>97340698>TQeither Moonfolk or Vedalken
>>97340846forgot pic
Say something nice about my popper deck.TQ:Viashi...erm I mean um hmmm
>>97340698That art is actually kind of GOATed. W Margaret Organ-Kean. Im shocked wotc didn't redact that for cultural appropriation or something
>>97341057hard evidence is a cute cardotherwise i think its just kinda boring
>Hey we returning to lorwyn, we need to spicy things up>How about making kithkins with long ass necks>Tell me more!
>lorwyn elves are no longer racists who will kill you for being ugly>sultai are no longer a dictatorship that turns people into undead to enslave themwhat is with the sanitization of their planes's more unsavory aspects
>>97341151i dunno about sultai but at least the lorwyn elves have a good lore reason for changing
>>97341151>lorwyn elves are no longer racists who will kill you for being uglymost of them weren't in the original novels. But they didn't care about the ones that were mistreating and being racists towards other people.Even Nath who they portrait as a big bad racist was tolerant enough with Brion and his misshapen retarded brother as to send them away within a time limit before he ordered his squad of elves to kill the two giants.Also Nath knew there were goblins living in the forest but didn't care about it until the goblins started to attack the kithkin that lived there under the protection of the elves (after that he went full genocide mode on the borggats).Even elf caste is misunderstood be people who haven't read the books (wotc employees). Elves fit into a caster by a combination of their looks + their qualities. For exemple one of the perfects was an 8/10 but because she could sing really well she was a perfect. One of the male elfs was a 7/10 but because he had god tier tree manipulation magic he was a perfect. Og Maralen who looked like pic was not a perfect because she lacked any memorable skill.
>>97341151Holy shit Raimi
Why they fire Glenn Jones who was behind the LOTR set?
>>97341177Why must MtG be everyone holding hands singing kumbaya around a campfire now?
>>97341151I don't fucking know dude, when wotc made a statement that no plane ever in mtg has homophobia or racism, it pretty much tells that they are too afraid to write anything controversial so someone doesn't get upset. It's so fucking gay
>>97341151>lorwyn elves are no longer racists who will kill you for being uglyThey literally are. What are you talking about? The whole plot is about them wanting to genocide the plane again. They are simply no longer in a position of power where they can pull their shit with impunity.
>Stixhaven faggots being in Lorwyn was supposed to be a refrence to OG Lorwyn planeswalker cycle
dumb frogposter
>>97341297>worst part of nu lorwyn is a reference to the worst part of og lorwyndamn
>>97341177It would have been truly subversive to have the elves find out that for years and years one of their perfects was actually a changeling who was really good at his craft the whole time. They then of course realize all races can be beautiful and abandon their racist ways.
>>97341370...the changelings that are blue/transparent and have big obvious yellow eyes?
>>97340698>TQProbably the Myr, mostly because they remind me of pit droids. Eldrazi are a close second.
>affinity>convoke>DFCs>hogwarts drop outs>no racism>only one (1) noggle>no "figure of ~" cycle>an oko pw, again>art direction with no relation to the original lorwyn
So is WotC currently working on sets for 2027 or for this year? How does card art and game design work here? So if I were to expect actual changes to art design going back to being sexy women, it'd be 2028 if they're already making cards for 2027?
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>>97341401I think they're roughly always 2 years ahead of our schedule, so they should be starting work on the first set of 2028
>>97341396If they actually made a Harry Potter UB, how insane would the devs, players, etc be?
>>97341396You missed>no druegar>changing the noggle colors>gay bait oko
>>97341401They're working on the 2028 or 2029 lineup most likely
>>97341436>gay bait okohuh?
>>97341396>no "figure of ~" cyclePseudolevelers have been done to death and there's nothing exciting about them anymore
>>97341425A significant fraction of WotC would probably go on strike against Hasbro if they ever even push the idea to them.
>>97341444when I snap my fingers, you'll forget you were ever gay*snap*
>>97341401Depends on which set, UB sets have more development time to clear things by licensor, so>2-3 years for UW>4-5 years for UBAnd all of this is if you make the point clear, and they start to change things AT THIS MOMENT. If not you have to bypass>californian company values>DEI money>'progressive' ideas inheritant to American developers>easy choices to make line go up for company stock
>>97341453but I was never gay?
>>97341455So I'm gonna be 30 in 2030 before MtG goes back to the way it was or even witness them shutting their doors?
>>97341444Comparing old Oko to the laid out, dick outline, gay faced one we have for this set.Oko is still gay, but he is now just a sex object for Romantasy heada.
>>97341457That's not what Oko told me.
>>97341459In my honest, likely shit opinion, for WotC to need to change course they will need one or multiple things from the list to change.>great economic downturn>bought out by private interests and directed to do so>large enought competitor entering the market>vast change in public opinion to what is deemed appropriateSadly, as they said "Enjoy Magic your own way" is correct. Pick singles and a format you like and just play with those. Im playing pauper and premodern once a nonth. Instead of buying packs I just save money and comission friends to do alters to cards I want. And I hope in 15 years when my kids are old enough Magic will be in a better placr.
>>97341252>>97341260Like Obi wan once said>Only a Sith deals in absolutes Or on Tolkien thoughts:>Tolkien stated in his Letters that although he did not think "Absolute Evil" could exist as it would be "Zero". Sauron represents as near an approach to the wholly evil will as is possible ", Sauron had started out with good intentions buy was corrupted by power."The virtue signalers that work at wotc when they started they thought of doing good but power corrupted them and they became evil, dealing with everything in extremes without middle ground opinions.They are also mostly uneducated and uncreative while working on things that require those 2 qualities. >>97341401>>97341439Dragon Age failed (trans) director got contracted after the game was out (1.5 year ago(?)) and they worked on the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle set...So about 2 years in advance.
>>97341487>and premodernPREMODERN MENTIONED!!BRAZIL LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>97341508It doesn't really work anymore.
>>97341508Here is your (You), have fun playing other formats. Those 2 bring me enough pleasure, and are cheaper on MTGO.
>>97341459>in 2030 before MtG goes back to the way it wasLolLmaoBuddy this train only moves in one direction. It does not "go back".
>>97340698>every mechanic is just an old mechanic with a trivial nuance>it's just Kicker anywayFor fuck's sake, just choose a bunch of shit to evergreen instead of paying retards to pitch retard ideas for more WORDS WORDS WORDS on cards.
Pigs eat slop.
>>97341487>playing a format built on hateBIGOT!
Ayo I be holdin' a Kithkin
>>97341617tbqh i do wonder what goes through these people creature type head's when they post absolute vomit like that
>>97341297Oh shit I didn't notice, they could not possibly sink so low could they? Tell me you're joking, tell me it's just a bad taste prank...You're not serious are you?Harry potter raping OG lorwyn?Hogwarts dropouts? Seriously?
>>97341613How we save this game?
>>97341613>Crashing out this hard over seeing art of one black person online.
>>97340698Why do kithkin have such long necks in this set?
>>97341634We need a radical solution... a final solution...
>>97341617Didn't know that by drafting my premodern proxied cube I was literally Voldemort and I was literally gassing the kikes while doing so.NOW I WILL HAVE 6 MILLION TIMES THE FUN I HAD BEFORE!
>>97341648We stop playing?
This set is overhyped as fuck. People are treating lorewyn like the second coming of christ. There's some decent things in it, but holy fuck the tribe support is boring as hell. It's fucking retarded that they decide to push elves and goblins for the 14297th time while Giants, Treefolk, Scarcrows, and Fairies sit in the motel cuck chair, and Kithkin are boiled down to generic go wide GW archetype#316. Also why are half the fucking legendries Harry Potter OCs??
>>97341674How is overhyping this? Since they showed Strixhaven rejects all I read everywhere is how boring, underpowered and uninspired this set is…
>>97341613>a story that has BITE>WOW LOOK EVERYONE IS SOME FLAVOR OF GAY HOMO LEGBETS TRANS BINARY WOW WHAT A BITEi want to bite but there is only formless slop
>>97341617I thought premodern existed way before the Commanderification/UBification/slopification of the game.
>>97341674Because people are basically using this set to weaponize it against UB slop and pretend that it's the greatest thing ever to convince wotc to do more in-universe sets. Honestly, deserved, but objectively speaking this set is really mid and I don't see more than 10 cards being played in standard.
>>97341674This set is slop, and only funko pop collectors have a high opinion of it.
>>97341674>It's fucking retarded that they decide to push elves and goblins for the 14297th time while Giants, Treefolk, Scarcrows, and Fairies sit in the motel cuck chair, and Kithkin are boiled down to generic go wide GW archetype#316That's gonna happen when you have to cram everything into one set. Blocks are bad for some reason btw, thanks Hasbro!
>>97341708can you name those 10 anons?
>>97341722Me.
>>97341720We ditched blocks because after whizzasbro tried to shove down our throats ixalan which sucked massive balls except for the nazi incel vampires which weren't even good but by juxtaposition with the rest of the garbage they looked acceptable instead of taking responsibility for their actions whizzasbro blamed blocks after we had to endure an entire year of ixaslop and people were puking in the streets because of it.Ixalan was so bad it killed the block formula and instead of learning from their mistakes they quadrupled down and made a set that sucked worse than the previous one, they will justify themselves with "LOLS! IMAGINE A YEAR OF IKORIA HEHE, be thankful goy".
>>97341674>This set is overhyped as fuck. People are treating lorewyn like the second coming of christ.People want an in-universe set that looks like real Magic to do well. They're desperate to prove to Wizards that this is what people want instead of more Aetherdrifts and Spidermans, even if the set is objectively not very good. This is a good thing.
>>97341744>>97341722Also, me.
>>97341757I would take and i mean this seriously a whole year of the worst plane imaginable, seriously 4 fucking sets of whatever you think is the worst like Aetherdrift, Capenna, Murders at Karlov Manor ANYTHING, over pic related.That Nosewater and Fagsbro corpos have the guts to tell people "Blocks were not financially reliable" and then also do this is not a joke, at this point is literally an insult to the whole fanbase of Magic.
>>97341757Ixalan was kino though.
>>97341674Im genuinely pissed that they ditched scarecrows almost entirely and the new Reaper King card has absolutely nothing to do with scarecrows
>>97341806Slop is for pigs, pigs eat slop.
>>97341809Scarecrows are sexist.
>>97341814I'm sorry if you're a joyless nigger but I enjoy the aztecs with dinosaurs aesthetics and that they're all spread across a bunch of groups with complex relations to one another instead of a simply blanket "native south american civilization", I like that there are pirates existing in a historical context where they make sense, and I like the vampire conquistadors even if they're on the nose.
>>97341799why we got 4 ub sets and 3 uw sets? we need a whole year of only ub sets that would peak magic.
>>97341832Unfortunately, no one likes powerlevel speedbump sets. This is why this game is doomed to die by powercreep.
>>97341674>Also why are half the fucking legendries Harry Potter OCs??Because omenpaths were a mistake. Literally name 1(one) plane or set where the story was enhanced by the presence of a character or characters from a different plane isekai-ing there. You can't.
>>97341799>>97341834Even if we got 7 uw sets it's too much crammed into a year, that's the real problem. There's no way they playtest all of that shit even within the yearly releases, they are just rubber stamping whatever to sell the next Commander precon and next set of Collector Boosters with ultra rare serialized cum foil chase cards.
>>97341814Why are you like this?
>>97341859War of the Spark
7 (Seven, nana, sept, siete) products a year is pure madness.
>>97341708>Because people are basically using this set to weaponize it against UB slop and pretend that it's the greatest thing ever to convince wotc to do more in-universe setsYeah I think this pretty much nails it. I think it's fucking pathetic that people want to grovel and pretend NU-Lorwyn is a good set that everyone should buy just to stick it to wotc
>>97341974And they're all Standard legal and all rotating in three fucking years. Standard is going to be bigger than some non-rotating formats were at some point.
>>97341974I will engage only with three, maybe four.
>>97341639Go back to tiktok, underaged zoomnigger
>>97341799
>>97342068Ayo whuddafuck nigga ass whiteboi say dat to my face irl nigga
>>97341859I enjoyed a lot of the planeswalker focused stories.However, Omenpaths lack the sauce. Genuinely, I cannot think of anything good on the story front that has come out of omenpaths.
Reminder: everything that sucks about Magic directly ties back to EDH becoming the primary of the game. If you play EDH, you are part of the problem.EDH is for slop for pigs. You're not a pig, are you?
>>97342097Duskmourne were not bad.
>>97342124Everything that sucks about Magic makes EDH great.
>>97342124Unfortunately, the pigs have bred in great numbers and are now the main clientele of the restaurant. Unless we somehow pull more money than all the pigs combined, this will never turn around. The sensible thing of course, would be to move to another restaurant.
>>97342139Wow! A pig that can talk!
>>97342202What a witty comment, Magic is saved!
>>97342232Oh no, this ship is sinking. But before we all drown, I'm going to keep reminding you: this is your fault.
>>97341436>>changing the noggle colorsIt better than shifting shadowmoor merrows into white.
>>97342268Well now you're projecting because i've not played paper magic or bought paper magic cards since ZEN.
>>97341674They were part of the 5 original focal types. The others were support for the main tribe which is why most of their tribal cards also supported one of the main tribes. Giants and treefolks were top end for the other tribes and faeries were the small fliers. Scarecrows were only in shadowmoor.
>>97342313You think you being digital only means you're not part of the problem?
>>97341757They retried with Crimson Vow and Brothers war and they also failed.
>>97342335I am offering you the knowledge of understanding that you are rejecting.
>Kithkin become racist at night>Their villages are literal sundown towns
is being a digital only part of the problem? then what´s the solution? just forget about this hobby i once loved and dont look behind while the pigs eat it awhole?
>>97342378Based Ron making art that looks like it actually belongs in the original shadowmoor
>>97342454Giving WotC money when they make decisions that go against your interest is the issue.Let's take UB as an example: If you hate UB, but have bought UB product, your complaint goes into the void because you're rewarding WotC for the behavior that you do not want. WotC, like all corporation, is ultimately an incredibly stupid beast that responds to base stimuli. If doing a thing gets them money, they'll keep doing a thing. If doing a thing does not get them money, they will stop doing it.Aftermath boosters died because no one bought them. You have the power to kill things that suck. You just have to not consoom.
>>97341809>Reaper King isn't a king anymore!>why?>because we needed to cut half his colours to make him an alt commander of a Jund deck you bigot
>>97342378They are xenofobic as fuck, yeah.BTW this art is one of the few kithkin who actually look like it belongs to og Lorwyn.It amazes me how the art direction for this set is shit.(no wonder 'Keep Out' art looks good, Ron Spencer worked in og Lorwyn Mega block)
>>97342525The Omar Rayyan art is also good but generally the art of the set just feels strange compared to the original block. Maybe it's some kind of lack of detail or texture. I have not looked at enough art in my life to properly understand what my issue with it is.
>>97342556It is mostly because the art director made artists draw the races differently.For kithkin they probably asked to do a mix of DnD 5e gnomes&halflinkgs (instead of small humans with large faces that triggers uncanny valley)Boggarts instead of being mix of Goblins with animals have become cartoon characters based on Jim Henson puppetsElfs became more gay (not all)Merfolks are somewhat ok but they don't look like Lorwyn merfolks (that worked on commerce and transportation and had an amicable appearance).The rest is "ok"
ONE LIGHTONE DARKTWO WORLDSA WORLD APA~RT
>>97342644she needs the boob edit
>>97341708>and I don't see more than 10 cards being played in standard.More than 10 cards played in standard is absurd powerlevel anon
>>97340760I just found out that they were finally returning to my favorite bloc, I look at the artwork, and I now realize why they said “modern sensibility”. Fuck if they didn’t drop the ball on some of the artwork, they even ruined my boy Painters Servant… at least Reaper King looks good I guess.
>>97342658BUT SOMEHOWIN OUR DREAMSWE SHARE THE SKYYYYYYYY
Friendly reminder that you can just send him an email and politely ask him to stop producing slop or at least keep it to the commander trough.Dear Mr Rosewater / MtG Design Team,I’m writing as a longtime Magic: The Gathering player who cares deeply about the game’s long-term health. I appreciate the success and accessibility of Commander, and I understand its financial importance. However, I’m increasingly concerned that designing broadly for Commander is leading to cards that create unhealthy play patterns in competitive 1v1 formats, where efficiency, repetition, and balance pressures are fundamentally different. Over time, this risks eroding the depth and stability that have sustained Magic’s competitive formats for decades.I’d like to encourage you to consider more clearly splitting product and design spaces: create dedicated cards for Commander and dedicated cards for 1v1 formats, released as separate products, while still sharing the same core rules and lore but with the caveat that the Commander cards are never legal in the 1v1 formats. This would allow each audience to be served intentionally, without one format’s needs warping another’s ecosystem. I believe this approach would strengthen Magic’s longevity by preserving what makes each way of playing special, balanced, and sustainable.Sincerely,A concerned Magic player
>>97342454>just forget about this hobby i once lovedThe idea that a single corporation would have complete ownership of a "hobby" is a relatively recent invention that still seems utterly insane to me. Shit like model trains and ships in a bottle were never beholden to a single producer and nobody would have ever said that they should be.
>>97342738>Mark, Fake Human, Nosewater recieves this>Reads it very carefully>Proceeds to go to the bathroom>Laughs for one hour straight>Get outs:"I wonder which exciting outsider IPs should we use for sets in year 2031, i hope our players enjoy the next decade of UB :)"The End.
>>97342738
>>97342738Fuck that, I'm writing a letter
>>97341674>>97342334To add to this, you couldn't easily just add additional tribes to the design skeleton without running into headaches. The five unused color pairs were>WB>UB>RG>RW>GULet's say we put faeries in UB and giants in RW. We now have to figure out whether treefolk are RG or GU, neither of which matches their original appearance. Then you'd have to figure out two new tribes: one for whichever green pair didn't get treefolk and the other for WB. Adding new tribes to Lorwyn/Shadowmoor would get you a lot of pushback, but what else are you going to do if you have eight color pairs tied to tribes?But that's an issue that emerges specifically from trying to cram this into a single set. A lot of returns have suffered from being condensed into a single set when their original appearances spanned three. With three sets, there was more room to breathe, so you got further development of minor mechanical themes and much more development of the flavor. Tarkir didn't suffer from this as much as other returns in part because we only saw each state of the world in a single set anyway, so they were working with a similar amount of space in the new set. But Lorwyn suffers much more than other returns because it wasn't three sets on one world, it was four sets on two worlds--and the return ALSO has to explain and show the new relationship between them.
I'm just gonna say it: creature type matters is fucking garbage. Giving +1/+1 to creatures for what is essentially mechanically relevant flavor text is boring and doesn't spark interesting deck design or connect into other mechanics. It MIGHT have been interesting if there were actual standards about what creature types signify, but that ship sailed decades ago when they committed to infinite creature type bloat with a handful of darlings elevated to the position of "relevant outside of a single set".
>>97342334>Giants and treefolks were top end for the other tribesEffectively in a limited format, sure. They did however get their own lords and their own tribal synergy and support. None of that is really present in ECL for giants and treefolk.
>>97342882Only two cards each in ECL, by my count.
>>97342914 Anything gigantic we can cook with her in Pioneer?
>>97342914Seems treefolk got the best tribal cards despite having less cards than giants and faeries.
>>97342926You already have 16 damage in the air
>>97342878>It MIGHT have been interesting if there were actual standards about what creature types signifyI've found it kinda ironic that Wizards is moving away from racial traits in D&D but in Magic having racial traits would actually present meaningful mechanical gameplay but in Magic the best they can do is give creatures +1/+1.It was good when Goblins "exploded when they died" and their +1/+1 was a result of being unorganized pieces of shit that got stronger if someone actually organized them. The merfolk lords made sense but they didn't have a tribal identity besides +1/+1.>they committed to infinite creature type bloatI cannot understand why they have so consistently doubled down on this. The whole snake/naga thing is insignificant in the face of the bloat. There should only be two "wizard" types representing: schooled, wild, demonic. Wizard, druid, warlock. Shouldn't even have fucking clerics because for the first 25 years there were never any gods and when they made the mistake of introducing gods they were just big magical entities. Likewise there should only be three martial classes: professional, mounted, wild. Soldier, knight, warrior. That way when you introduce a new class/tribe you have to fucking think about exactly what it represents in the setting. Like why the fuck do we have a civilian type, why the fuck would a planeswalker summon a fucking diplomat to fight.
>>97342682Once a high res version appears, anon...
>>97342968>civilianYou mean citizen, or did you mean peasant?
>>97341396>no racismBut that's wrong
>>97342989I meant citizen sorry. But there simply shouldn't be a shopkeeper as a card. And if you want a bouncer as a card that's just plainly a warrior; a martial artist is a warrior; militia are warriors.
>>97343004That's specieism. All kithkin are equal.
>>97343017>But there simply shouldn't be a shopkeeper as a cardThat ship sailed quite some time ago.
>>97343024There's nothing stopping people from making more fucking mistakes. It is entirely unproductive to bring up fuck-ups from Magic's past as precedent for making more shit decisions in the present.
>>97342834I think you could reshuffle it asWU - Kithkin UB - FaeriesBR - GoblinsRG - GiantsWG - TreefolkWB - ScarecrowsUR - NogglesBG - ElvesWR - ElementalsUG - MerfolkThat would require having Merfolk lean into Selkies as their Shadowmoor half, and coming up with some sort of Sunfire/Moonfire Flamekin to justify White. Scarecrows is more of a stretch, but it's better than not having them at all.And if that's too many tribes, this setup does still allow for Elves/Kithkin/Goblins/Merfolk/Elementals to be the primary tribes, because it still has 2 tribes per color. Then the remaining ones can be secondary options. And hybrid mana and changeling cards help to smooth out any rough patches, or allow for the occasional bleed into other colors.
>>97340698>OP cardoh the artist that drew the haslanti league piece in across the 8 directions has improved somewhat
We should have got a Cycle of Double Sided Land Cards for EclipsedLike this>Day Side: Dual-Typal Land which Taps for one of one colour if you control one Creature Type, one of another colour if you control another Creature Type or one of each if you control both.>Night Side: Dual Color Filter Land >Both Sides: Transform this card during your Untap Step if it was tapped this Turn So for a Kithkin Land it'd work like this:>The Day Side would tap for G if you control a Kithkin, W if you control a Soldier or GW if you control a Kithkin Soldier>The Night Side would just Tap for WW, WU or UU >Both sides transform during the Untap Step if they were tapped for mana
>>97343067Noggles and Scarecrows only show up in Shadowmoor. It's a bit weird to have Shadwomoor-exclusive tribes but no Lorwyn-exclusive ones.
>>97342968The 4 original mage class were cleric, wizard, druid, & shaman with shaman being chosen because they didn't want to bloat the wizard type.
>>97342517The problem is that most people go:>UB is alright as long as it is (IP I like)>UB is alright as long as I can ignore it>UB is alright as long as "it's a fitting aesthetic"And so they allow it to fester until we have fucking pizza as basic lands.
>>97342979I was talking about the kithkin gnome thing >>97342644Happy we get a fertile ground card. Art is garbage. We still need the Green 4 mana ramp two card
>>97343128A bit. But it's also a bit weird to have Rimekin instead of Withers or for Shadowmoor Merfolk to be the White ones. And in the context of Scarecrows, I think it would be possible to have at least a few on the Lorwyn side. Scarecrows with Defender have been used to represent mundane non-living scarecrows before. Which is presumably what Scarecrows turn into if they cross into Lorwyn. I'm sure a similar excuse could be found for Noggles. But given that there's no actual day/night mechanic, having two of the tribes be all Shadowmoor would only affect artwork. I'd rather have cards depicting those things than just giving up because the art would be lopsided.
>>97343085That's very flavorful and faithful to the original sets anon, but they ditched profession/class tribal support this set and also the creatures changing color while in Shadowmoor.
>>97343160UB is alright because it takes creative control away from wotc. Pizza lands are as garbage as Theros pokemon lands
How did we go from this
>>97343252To this
>>97343252>>97343270
>>97343252>>9734327020 years?
The pigs are fed all year long. There are more new Commanders printed each year than there are days in a year. And yet they still hunger for more.
>>97343270>>97343252
>>97343309Legendary Turtle in every pack.
>>97343270Given Ashling's art in the main set, it's pretty clear this was originally going to be a different character. But the someone noticed that main set Ashling wouldn't make a good commander, so they had to do something for the beloved returning character.
>>97343312These people are so far up their own asses, it would be incredible to behold if it wasn't so sad.
>>97343309What I don't understand is why they constantly need more commanders. Wouldn't more of the format's appeal lie in updating and tweaking your existing decks? Like, I get it for a new mechanical theme that doesn't have a legendary supporting it, but you don't need 20+ legendary creatures each set that are just reprising common draft themes.
>>97343222I know and I'm mad about it.
>>97343270This is a changeling.Look at the horns and the ears. They belong to Lorwyn elfs, not Flamekin.This shit was a 5 colour changeling commander that cared about all tribes
>>97343318This means the Kappa can be reseeded in Kamigawa through the omenpaths. Based ninja turtles
>>97341706it did but history is written by the victors
>>97343346Because EDH is a party game.
>>97343346Commander players have zero of the creativity required for deck brewing and relying on edhrec to tell them what cards to pick. This the only way to make a new deck is a new power crept commander.
>>97343346You just actually singled out the main problem with the current Commander playerbase in general - they don't actually like engaging with Magic the way it was traditionally (building and tweaking decks, iterative testing and card choices based on your opponents, testing new / different strategies) - they simply want a commander card that does everything they want in one place and have the decklist autofill in around it. Take a look at EDHRec - the average Commander "deckbuilder" has no fucking clue what they are doing and they have no concept of curve, frequently include cards that don't mechanically even work with their theme or commander choice, and are all basically unplayable. But that doesn't matter, because most Commander players just play for the boardgame experience with friends, that is all MtG is to them - another boardgame. They don't care about the depth of mechanics or deckbuilding at all.
>>97343426i'll allow it
>>97343426Why does WotC employ openly hateful racist artists?
>>97343443true and grim
>>97343460just a certain kind of racist, not all mind you!
are you guys just perpetual victims or what
>>97343270>>97343252How can people defend decisions like this? This is the crazy shit I was talking about that makes me want a lobotomy. It should be perfectly normal to see art like the old ashling card in the current year and the fact that even a few people decry it as "sexualized" is pure insanity. What happened to mocking Christians for being stuffy puritans?
>>97343495>It should be perfectly normal to see art like the old ashling card in the current yearGood news: it is perfectly normal. Here's a card printed in the current year.
>>97343494Pretty much, yeah.
>>97343504Did the gays actually succeed in wiping all traces of femininity from media?
>>97343516Did you miss all the conventionally attractive mice in Bloomburrow?
>>97343443That's because the average commander player grew up retarded. Whoever taught them to play the game only taught them commander.
>>97343324I think it might have been her cinder form since she didn't get one. She might've been the jund -1/-1 commander since cinders were the -1/-1 tribe. Maybe both decks were supposed to focus on the shadowmoor creature that didn't show up in the main set. The background sky looks a lot like twilight.
>>97343494She's cute but>no skin showingWhat is this 1950?
>>97343504It's just not the same as >>97343252Not only is the stylization different and much flatter, and less dynamic, but she shows significantly less skin. It's like a 4kids version of a character design. No skirts above the back of thebthigh! No cleavage showing more than a centimeter! It's like fucking middle school dress code rule. Ridiculous
>>97343516Why the fuck would gays care?
>>97343426>hey im art guy of big game>btw politicsamericans are genuinely mentally ill
>>97343365Kappas were originally supposed to be blue goblins which is why they went extinct. The akki are kappas if they lived in the mountains.
remember when they gave chandra a mastectomy
>>97343561They were hunted to extinction
we've funposted enough about chandra's cut titties
Still waiting for full art of this one because they sure do look intact.
>>97343633Wow she kinda looks hot hereFace looks weord though not sure why western artists do that
>>97343559>hi i work for wizards of the c—HAIL SAURON
>>97343581Mark is already looking for Alara feedback.
If there's one thing I loved about Lorwyn, it was the Harry Potter filler arc.
>>97343619>They were hunted to extinctionSYKE
>>97343378The funny part is that the "Raven Man" shit had zero consequence, was total shit, and everyone has forgotten about it.
>>97343306In lore, 84 years.No explanation why the classic Lorwyn characters haven't aged a day.
>>97343504There's something wrong about the flames on this. And her skin isn't black. Flames don't get dark, light, then dark again nor do they go big, small, big. The artist doesn't know how to draw fire. I don't know why they couldn't keep her body black. They could have kept her body black and given her blue flames I mean that's what they did when she became the Extinguisher.I don't fucking understand, here is a race of black-skinned things totally in-line with progressive objectives and they just don't fucking make them black.
>>97343663See goys, turtle ninjas have ALWAYS been part of mtg. New york is just the latest plane in a cohesive lore.
>>97343691>84 yearsTry 44. Original Lorwyn was post-mending.>No explanation why the classic Lorwyn characters haven't aged a day.Maralen hasn't aged a day because she was a mana construct created by Oona who has since inherited her creator's powers and immortality. Rhys hasn't aged a day because he was being preserved by Maralen's magic as part of a pact the two had made. Ashling is literally made of stone. Brigid has visibly aged.I'll grant you that Sygg has no explanation.
>>97343650Alara had some nice cards, but I always found the initial concept (Ravnica but with shards) very boring.
It was 40 years. Rhys and Maralen became immortal. Sygg lost his hair. Doran is a long lived creature.
>>97343745Sygg didn't age at all, he just turned into an entirely different character by the looks of it.
>>97343745>Sygg's new card riffs on his original>Brigid's at least plays into the obvious strategy of the tribeI still can't wrap my head around what kind of moron decided that Ashling's new card shouldn't deal direct damage and that the flip side should be a worse mana dork than another card in the same cycle.
>>97343745Look at how cluttered cards are now.
Also Shadowmoor Sygg used to be a bandit but has mellowed down since
>>97343653The Harry Potter filler arc would have been incredible if it was portrayed like an 1800s research expedition where the scientists and students were accompanied by a 15/15 vehicle crewed by professional soldiers to protect said scientists by the obviously horrific denizens of the place they were visiting to conduct research.Like having the fucking Black Omen sitting in the sky and the medieval peasants of Lorwyn having no way of interacting with it despite the most menacing races wanting its power.
>>97343745even the art got butchered.a tree doesn’t change that much in 40 years, nuDoran looks like "the kind of tired sleep cant fix" vibe.is Mark ZugZug really that expensive to hire that they have to resort to these CALarts interns?jesus christ>inb4 read the lorekys
>>97343745Just compare those designs an you can see how the game has gone to shit. On the left both are simple and you know what they do fro a glimpse, yet were both quite good at the time. The new designs on the right are words salads that you have to put an effort to even understand and probably are complete shit because of how bad the powercreep has become.Like the old Doran was a fucking cool creature and it didn't require a novel of text to explain what it does. And at the time, a 3 mana 5/5 was a legitimate beat stick which could further enchance your other creatures like Tarmogoyf for additional value. And I guess shaman is problematic now to 3 people so we have to change Doran to a druid which probably becomes problematic in a few years so they have to change it again
>>97343753Seems like all merrows lost their hair and horizontal pupils and gained human pupils and more fins on head to make up for the lack of hair.
credits to wotc for keeping the merrow legless though
>>97343785He seems to have shifted from Lorwyn to Shadowmoor.
Is Magic still for EVERYONE?
>>97343786Druid is literally more problematic than shaman. They went full retard on this one.
>>97343826>Is Magic still for EVERYONE?Yes.And that mean NOT YOU.
>>97340698Actually my second favorite, first place makes me the archenemy every time.
>>97343826Yes, except for [fill in the blanks of groups that don't fit into the worldview of virtue signalers]
>>97343835My guess for your first place is Metathran. Let me know how I did!
>>97343758WORDS GOOD
>>97343786>And I guess shaman is problematic nowI don't even know what minority has exclusive right to "shaman" to be able to be insulting. Catholics own "priest", "bishop", "pope" - they don't bitch and cry about it when fantasy steals it. The Catholic roles are defined as having exclusive access to God. Shamans by definition don't have exclusive access to nature or the spirits - yes, they have the traditions and methods but someone else could just as easily tap into that as easily as someone could access the air. Some shamans don't even claim access to the spiritual - they are just doctors.
>>97343758>>97343851That Sygg doesn't even have its ass end either lmao
words
>>97343847Sorry, but my 1st pick was also introduced in Tempest.(You now have a one in five chance of guessing correctly.)
We need three-sided cards asap.
>>97343867Yeah it's just fucking ridiculous. And I bet wotc has used a shitload of money for consultants to come up with this (non)issue and then has to spend more money to "fix" it. Like the world would genuinely be a better place if all the people advocating for this shit got fired and banned from ever working in the industry ever again. That goes for the consultants as well as the people who hired them
>>97343270I hadn't actually looked at this art before now. This doesn't look remotely like Ashling. Is it another flamekin they renamed?
>>97343891They already made SIX-sided cards for Arena and still couldn't get people excited for this slop.
I like how this set is called Lorwyn Eclipsed and fucking then they only have five cards that represent where Both Sides of the plane are merging.
>Spotlight Avatar was literally all CubRoid decks vs Lesson decksHEY GAVIN HOW ABOUT THEM POWERFUL WHITE CARDS??
>>97343879Then it simply has to be licid. What else could possibly be as cool as licids?
>>97343938Somehow, again, Standard got worse.
>>97343785>carl critchlow>internHoly newfag
>>97343893I'm pretty sure "shaman" is claimed to be owned by Indigenous peoples at least Indigenous peoples are going to be the people who bitch about their culture being co-opted. I don't even think it's Indigenous people who are doing the bitching but their supporters who think Indigenous people have exclusive access to wearing feathers in your hair, "shaman", and still own every piece of land that they didn't cede to European conquerors.I don't know about where you live but Indigenous people have top billing at pretty much every public event. Every public event starts with acknowledging that they still "own" the land that we're sitting on.Could you imagine if the Jews starting asking for their reparations from 40 years of Magic using "Mana". Oh I'm sorry, they only own 50% of Mana, so they'll split the cheque with Christians. Oh we don't want to write a cheque I guess we can't fucking call it "mana" anymore. Right? That's only fair if we can't use shaman then we can't fucking use mana anymore right?
>>97342834>>97343067They should have just done shards&wedges and have a few of the cards take effect on the type of mana taken to cast it and abuse hybrid mana.Kithkin = uWg (bant)Goblins = bRg (jund)Merfolks = wUb (esper)Giants = wRg (naya)Flameking = uRb (grixis)Elves & treefolks = wGb (abzan)Faeries = uBg (sultai) (G added to some of them, make them keep nature as reason)Noogles&Hags = wUr (jeskai)shadowmoor Odd creatures (sprigans&selkies&kelpies,etc) = rGu (temur)Hobgoblins&Duegar = bRw (mardu)For exemple:Kithkin Patrol {w}{u/g}ETB you draw a card if you paid {u}, you put a +1+1counter on target creature if you paid {g}1/1And imo they could do Duos (remember Duos) for the wedges.>>97343252Political preachin.
>>97343965You don't seem to be well
>>97343504Where is that fucking rascal?Loot! Loot! Where are you!?!Stop taking breasts from women!
>>97343965>Jews starting asking for their reparations from 40 years of Magic using "Mana"but anon, it's not the Manna from the Old Testamentit's a term from Māori culture>In Māori culture, mana is a profound concept representing spiritual power, prestige, authority, influence, and charisma, an inherent supernatural force in people, places, and objects
>>97344027>Stop taking breasts from women!Come stop me, nerd.
>>97343785>these CALarts interns?Carl Critchlow has been making art probably since before you were born.
>>97343851Questing beast isn't even wordy compared to recent cards.
>>97343745>>97343785It is the price of stopping following Shamanism to go into druidism...
