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TQ: I do not give a fuck since I am not a lore fag, but at the same time i get super annoyed by universes beyond ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I refuse to read the absolute hog wash that is current day magic lore. Someone with a higher tolerance for pain give me a qrd.

>>97425134
it's pretty broken and all over the place. can't really do a qrd desu.

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>Riker Maneuver
>2 colorless
>Instant
>The next spell you cast gains Flash and Ward: Discard a card

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Isn't it ironic that people like MTG more before the end game shit end of sagas that we got last 6 years?

MTG could have been a good and marketable brand if wotc actually contracted good writers and people that have talent to build up fiction and fantasy.

>>97425134
Oko is Oona's brother.
The shadowmoor creatures now have their Lorwyn colors. Most Shadowmoor merrow are white now.
Kithkin have long necks now.
Lorwyn merrow have (l)(l) eyes now. Shadowmoor Merrow kept the (-)(-) eyes but their designs are now based on lionfish. They all lost their hair.
Boggarts gained a pig design.
Some Flamekin and Cinders became rimekin. Only 2 cinders made it in the set.

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>>97425198
>before the end game shit end of sagas
I meant "endgame" as of Avengers: Endgame

For some reason wotc staff thinks everybody loves the MCU...

https://moxfield.com/decks/rilpHAnsAUKxf7qR5Kru8w

Pauper enjoyers, I have 2 card slots to fill. What should I add?

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>>97425198
>>97425209
It's not ironic, it's just... how Wizards has chosen to do business. Back in the day, they had a specific product called a "fat pack" that came with X boosters and the novelization of the current set. As a result almost everyone I played with back then had the books, read them, and was invested in the lore, even kids who weren't big readers (if they didn't finish the book they could learn about it by talking with the other kids).

When these were phased out, investment in the setting necessarily started to drop. I don't remember exactly when that was, but by the time they made the shift to the Jacetice League as the focus of all sets going forward I'm pretty sure it was gone. They still kept up with novelization for a while, but after the truly dire Scars of Mirrodin novelization I think they stopped. Naturally, this was also a drop off in player investment.

So began an era of online articles and the occasional stand-alone joint. People just didn't like the Gatewatch enough to highly pursue these- the biggest investment I ever saw was tumblr riding hard on the ChandraXNissa ship train, which WotC strangely decided to explicitly torpedo, catching them accusations of "queer baiting" from the last demographic that cared much about the lore they were peddling.

And now we have UB. Wizards is actively incentivized to disrespect their own setting to funnel people into the crossover content and increase cross-compatability (ex eliminating venerable MtG-exclusive tribes for generic "Lizard" and "Octopus" tribes). The fact we got something as comparatively soulful as a Jim Henson Company boggart hoedown commercial in 2026 is nothing short of a miracle.

Well that was more of a rant than I intended it to be but man it has been a long dark road.

>>97425198
I still don't understand exactly how their worldbuilding/story development works. In older sets, sometimes the story just happened to take place on a particular plane and wasn't really tied to or was relevant to that set (given the nature of Planeswalkers). Other times, the story seemed to determine what was in a set (like with Core sets). But lately it's the other way around (they make the set first and then build a story around it):
>Hey we're going back to Lorwyn but we only have one single set to cram what is at least two complete worlds
>Uh...let's make up something so that the two aspects of the plane can coexist. Fuck the previous lore.
>Hey we're going back to Tarkir but players really like the wedge clans better than the dragon clans so we're doing wedges again
>Uh...let's make up something so that the wedges are back. Just off-screen the dragonlords lmao
(this one is especially bad because they could've just gone back in time again)
>Hey we're printing al lot more Legendary Creatures and turning previous characters into legendary creature cards so we need an excuse for them showing up everywhere
>How about Omenpaths

>>97425266
>>97425266
>eliminating venerable MtG-exclusive tribes for generic "Lizard" and "Octopus" tribes
And yet they had no qualms adding in "Ultrom" and "Time Lord Doctor". I don't get it.

>>97425174
i'm not going to lie. i'll probably buy into the star trek set. i'll be going to the pre-release events bare minimum.

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>>97425264
this guy was my favorite thing to pair with the cat food engine back in the day, he can be a bit clunky at 3 mana but if you can get him out of bolt range, it snowballs really hard

>>97425300
Because that's Brand™ related. It's added value to The Fans!

The only brand Viashino and Cephalids are related to is Magic, and we've already got those chuds buying our product so who cares what they think?

>>97425320
ooh that's sexy

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>>97425320
Interesting. I could see that as a finisher. I was loosely considering this guy as just a generic tempo draw. Now I want to try a full reanimator lol

>>97425317
TNG is probably the only television show in the world I actually love
if they focus on TNG then I'm in
hopefully the set gets scalped to a gorillion dollars like FF so I can grind the limited format for win-a-box events

>>97425359
Trek will be 30% TNG, 30% TOS, 25% ds9 and 15% voyeur

>>97425317
https://youtu.be/nolpET4mgiI

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>>97425363
>No ENT
We'll save that for the 2nd set

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>>97425317
>>97425174
I m ready to laugh my ass out with the bullshit we will get from it.

>>97425447
don't you put that evil on me ricky bobby!

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Do you think that time in STD when the gay alien had his soul get fused with Dilithium crystals and it blew up every galaxy in the galaxy is going to get a card?

>>97425447
cursed image

unironically it wont happen though because Sysko, Jake, Tuvok, Uhura, and Klingons exist. They will just make Uhura blacker and call it a day.

can we wildly speculate on what reality fracture will be about?

>>97425495
>and Klingons exist.
One of my least favorite things in fiction is when they decided that Klingons weren't aliens that happened to have dark skin, but that they were literally just black people with spiky foreheads. That shit was fucking dumb.

>>97425507
Blacks don't appreciate Opera like Klingons do.

>>97425363
>Across 60 years
Kurtzman trek is included in that. I'm expecting it to be mostly nostalgia bait but we won't be free from all the absolute trash and garbage of what Star Trek has become.

Here are my predictions
>Black spock
>Earl Grey Hot card
>Woke shit out the ass

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>>97425510
My goddamn image didn't work

>>97425510
I'm pretty sure they confirmed the Trek set will focus primarily on TOS and TNG. No mention of DS9 or VOY but I bet we'll get some ships at least.

>>97425519
>60 years
nuTrek confirmed. Oh joy.

>>97425499
Future Sight 2.0

>>97425510
>Woke shit out the ass
you do realize the TNG was woke as shit right? that was kind of the core tenant of the show.

>>97425520
DS9 deserves it's own set. it's the most basedtrek.

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>>97425526
>Never watched the show

>>97425526
You're wrong. Woke shit is when they make everyone gay, everything is about modern messaging, and women regularly shit on men especially white men. None of the shows were like that but the new ones absolutely are.

>>97425526
>that was kind of the core tenant of the show.
Not really.

>>97425526
FIRST
INTERRACIAL
KISS

>>97425526
You would unironically call numerous parts of the show "problematic" if you ever actually watched it. Contemporary corporate inclusivity has nothing but superficial similarities to being open-minded in the 90s.

>>97425570
You would unironically call it woke if it aired today, too.
None of you modern culture warriors are OK with anything.

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>>97425575
You wouldn't know good TV if it dragged it's balls across your face

>>97425499
The former "big bads" will show up again, but good with name changes. Elesh Norn? Eliza Nia. Ulamog? Ulahug. And stuff like that

>>97425510
lol these little dipshit gen z culture warriors crying about "the woke" is never funnier than when it comes to Star Trek

>>97425575
>You would unironically call it woke if it aired today, too.
Hey retard.
We still watch the show. TOS, TNG and DS9 are all actively being watched. This isn't some ancient arcane text where we can only speculate.

>>97425575
ya they r3eally don't understand they're just a mirror image of the people they claim to appose.

>>97425587
Yes, and if they were not classics, and were released new today, you would call them woke.

>>97425600
>Yes, and if they were not classics, and were released new today, you would call them woke.
We would not and the tactic of declaring ex nihilo that your interlocutor would say something that's the exact opposite of what they are directly expressing, is retarded and pathetic. Fuck off.

>>97425613
At the time, your equivalents were calling it subversive liberal trash. Hell, in 50% of the modern day threads you still do.

>>97425620
>At the time, your equivalents were calling it subversive liberal trash. Hell, in 50% of the modern day threads you still do.
Not equivalents, different eras. Your argument is shit. Go away.

>>97425623
>Okay yes, it was called liberal trash then and we still do it today, but go away I don't like that

>>97425627
Not an argument.

>>97425629
>Okay, yes, you did make an argument that I couldn't respond to, but I don't like that, so go away
lol

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>>97425634
Swine like you do not get pearls, anon.
If you spew vapid shit, then you receive casual dismissal.

>>97425646
>I don't have any valid counterarguments and this conversation is now uncomfortable to me. I would rather just memepost until we both get bored
lol

>>97425653
>m-m-muh conversation
Genuinely, unironically, you are not worth the time.

>>97425658
Aw, look at the edgy boy

>>97425666
Sorry, Satan. It just isn't going to work.
I know your ilk too well. You have nothing of value to say and nothing of significance to add to contribute to a conversation.

>>97425667
Aw the edgy boy is so busy-wusy

>>97425658
what a pathetic concession.
you culture war mongoloids are the saddest thing to have happened to the internet.

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>>97425672
He's too busy, anon, he can't possibly do anything other than seethe for the next, I'm guessing, six hours?

>>97425673
Good.

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>star tronk was woke
wow, a show having colored people and being about resolving conflicts through diplomacy instead of shooting space guns and blame the klingons was woke?
Man, you americans really are a silly people.

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Don't argue fellow Magic players!!! Picard will save us all and this game finally!!! Prepare for golden times ahead!!!

>>97425672
The fact of the matter is, you are simply not worth humoring and we are coming to realize that.
You have nothing of value in your mind. You deserve to be disregarded.
We have put a lot of effort and time into trying to communicate with you. You have proven to us that you are worthless morons.
Thus, fuck off.

>>97425686
Man, you're a real sore loser.

>>97425499
Jace Adventures in Space will threaten to destroy the Multiverse, but Disney's Marvel's The Avengers© step in last minute and defeat Jace, banishing him to a Universe Beyond (get it??). Then they reset the Magic timeline with the Strixhaven bunch as the new Heroes.

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>>97425684
>Don't argue fellow Magic players!!! Picard will save us all and this game finally!!! Prepare for golden times ahead!!!
>clap
SET.
>clap
PHASERS.
>clap
TO.
>clap
FUN.

if they make reality fracture am excuse to consolidate the "fornitization" of this fucking game some at wotc should unironically die, or at leat lose his job.

>>97425688
What is there to lose, when you aren't even smart enough to find the entrance to the arena?
You're an untrained Bantamweight screaming and crying that you're the REAL victor of the night, and that you're undefeated in the ring (having partaken in zero actual fights), while everyone is inside watching heavyweights.

Worse yet, you fail to comprehend just how pathetic you appear to people who actually study and know what it feels like to engage with other capable people. Your sorry state is truly one of the most pathetic things in the world.

You just know they're going to use Reality Fracture to make the """Multiverse""" canon in MtG.
Look for the announcement when they're going to stop using Universes Beyond for crossover shit.

>>97425702
Let's see if my prediction that you'll be seething like this for six hours turns out true, you busy edgy little boy.

>>97425704
This prediction is the new Magic is Dying.

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>>97425711

>>97425715
The death of things is a slow process.

>>97425726
Slow, until it happens all at once.

>>97425702
lol watch out everyone we got the heavyweight champion of social media culture war hysterics in here
put down a "do not slip" sign for the tears, who knows how much screen time mom gave him

>>97425730
>we got the heavyweight champion of social media
Thank you for acknowledging the important facts.

>>97425719
Oh yes, you care so little don't you, yes you do

>>97425735
Correct. Your existence is an insignificant pastime.

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>>97425726
Slow process? Seeing this schedule i would say we are going straight to hell at max speed match 4, anon... Is even worse when you consider in 2024 we just had 4 sets...

>>97425742
>Is even worse when you consider in 2024 we just had 4 sets...
4 sets was nice.
4 sets was, dare I say, correct.
How did it all go so wrong?
Oh wait, I know, it was greed and incompetence.

>>97425264
2 Thraben Charms for mainboard catchall that fucks over gy decks g1.

>>97425740
aw, the edgy boy cares so little, yes he does.

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>>97425751

>>97425754
I'm sure you have very urgent business, yes you do!

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>>97425754

>>97425759
Real talk mtg does kinda suck tho

>>97425742
The 7 sets of slop are just the symptoms, Anon.
MtG has been dying since planeswalkers.

>>97425781
>planeswalkers
*hats (kamigawa)

>>97425786
FACTS.

>>97425526
Of course. That's why TOS is the best Trek.

>>97425786
The first hat set was Arabian Nights thoughbeit (also technically the first UB)

>>97425859
and it's the worst old set

>>97425859
>The first UB brought us Shahrazad
The call was always coming from inside the house.

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>>97425198
>>97425209
>>97425266
>>97425288
They had good thing going. Now is all sll op. I could even bet they don't do character concept study art anymore.

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>>97425880
The Sovl we lost.

>>97425880
>>97425888
God fuck that whole era of Magic had a genuinely unique and incredible style all its own. RIP.

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I was looking into old rk post art and found this white planeswalker concept he did for wotc (not sure on date)
Design looks cool but really generic (not as much as the walkers we are getting nowadays ...

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Another concept.

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MTG used to have one of the best and most recognizable aesthetics in all of fantasy.
Fight me.

>>97425906
The sad fact is that is gone already. UB sets at least have something. MtG's setting has been forgotten, abandoned, and shit on. They don't write books anymore. They barely have any story to them. It's just a place with different hats and mechanics. The soul is gone from MtG and it was lost long ago. Replaced with Secret Lairs of funkopops and entire sets based on 80s cartoons.

>>97425906
>Fight me.

I don't think that's controversial at all.

>>97425906
That's a nice effect.
A modern equivalent would have haste, trample and hexproof and cost 5.

>>97425906
Best sure but recognizable no.

>>97425971
Andy it still wouldn't be playable because no ETB and games end on turn 4 lmao

>>97425993
>a 6/5 that would cost 2 with haste and removal would be bad
on t4 you could play 2

>>97425327
viashino and cephalids never existed past creature type. there's probably more non-green mana dorks than lord or tribe effects for them.

>>97425906
Very true. So much so that it caught the eye of those on the other side of the world, and resulted in the creation of Yugioh. There is nothing quite like old Magic.

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>>97425906
>mtg even had big fucking honkers in the game
bros...

>>97426008
Hello MaRo. Mechanical interactions are not the only thing that matter for a tribe, as clearly proven by the fact that you continue to add types like Time-Lord for UB. The flavor provided by those types, and others like them is value of its own- it's why favored numagic concepts like Eldrazi are not simply Elder Horrors.

If the concern was buffing Viashino and Cephalids by making them compatible with more tribal support, they would have become Dragons and Merfolk rather than generic tribes that STILL have virtually no support. If the concern was futureproofing for future support, the future support could simply have been for Viashino and Cephalids rather than Lizards and Octopi.

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>>97426020
Not as big as Disciple of Grace ;)
(not pic)

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>>97426040
you could have posted it tho
those are some big badonkers
damn

>>97425859
It was literally a knee jerk decision so Magic would have a christmas product. Ice Age was nowhere near done (it would be postponed twice).

Arabian Nights was designed, conceptualized, commissioned, and released in under a month, and it was chosen because Garfield just happened to be reading 1001 Arabian Nights at the time. Had he been reading Le Morte D'Arthur, or the Wagner Ring Cycle, who knows how different the game might look.

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Ok, ok, you want an actual on theme UB?
Vanillaware/Odin's Sphere/Dragon's Crown UB

Gays of the toast won't do it because of sorceress though

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this on a magic card would literally save the game and make them billions

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>>97426090
i want dumb y2k fantasy art but with big titties

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>>97426090
Just bring back Seb

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>>97426097
based and agreed

>>97426105
How I feel every time I talk about how much I love planeswalkers and they’ve fucked them over because of EDH.

Best UB set: magic the gathering 1995-2010

>>97426128
Is EDH in the room with us now?

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>local facebook BST group is flooded with UB cards that noone wants to buy
>one of the LGSs says they want to revitalize magic via FNM and is giving away spiderman boosters to get people to play
>noone shows up still
Premodern has its boot on Hasbro's throat.

>>97426054
I'll never forget what they took from us.

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Is he lurking?

>>97425880
The bellybutton piercing was optional but the thong straps never were.

>>97426008
>>97426024
Viashino also were in all but official acknowledgment the Iconic Creature Type for Jund the same way Goblins are for Red.
And the reason they killed it them was way more simple, Bloomburrow had Lizard Tribal as a theme and Wizards ebcuase they don't think more than a few years ahead saw that having more Lizards in the game would be a value add to the set.

>>97425893
You can thank Jeremy Cranford for that.
The man was initially one of two starting around... Apocalypse off the top of my head, and then later the only Magic art director till the mid 2000s when someone else took up the role.

>>97425201
Christ, I’m going to a lgs tonight for the set draft, haven’t really played since like 2009, and fuck me if that lore ain’t bleak. So what’s new for Scarecrows? I always loved their artwork.

imagine that in the near future wotc get so soulless that they no longer release any in-universe sets, and use AI for all their art

>>97426222
It's weird because people attend prereleases, but then have zero interest for in store play outside of commander. We had over 40 people at our prerelease, but FNM struggles to have 6 people.
At least some of the commander players have already started to just proxy their shit and I feel like this is just going to become more common in the future

>>97426004
On t4 the Badgermole cub and Ouroboroid are already big enough to block that

>>97426197
If you think EDH isn’t warping the entire game around it you’re delusional.

>>97426303
Commander is basically standing in for kitchen table Magic. That was always where the most players were

>>97426303
>but then have zero interest for in store play
People only attend prereleases because it's the only time decent people outnumber assholes in the store.

Everyone playing constructed Magic is on some level an asshole. Maybe they are or maybe they are not but that's how people view them. Because they follow constructed and know what does or doesn't work. Most people are not interested in learning let alone competing and this is why FNM is a graveyard. The people who still want to play constructed and don't want to listen to what other players have to say are playing EDH. It's plainly a faux pas to tell someone playing EDH their commander is shit; something that has to be said when you're playing 60-card constructed. Even CEDH players don't have the dignity to tell someone their deck is shit because in that case they're fishing for free wins.

The competitive game has been killed. Any store that still has a competitive culture fights to keep that culture and miraculously did through COVID. Every other store the competitive culture died when Wizards killed supporting any kind of aspirational play and those people are never coming back again not for all the pleading and begging from Wizards. Anybody who talks about competition has a store that had enough bodies to fight for it, everyone else knows competition is nothing but a dream. Seniors don't play tennis anymore because losers can't be bothered to get fight and run hard; so tennis players are all playing pickleball now and fucking up those stupid weak seniors who can't run the same way the last remnants of competitive 60-card are skullfucking CEDH.

>>97425526
You clearly haven't seen the levels of mental gymnastics /tv/ will go to in order to defend boomer steven universe

97426316
>anon is completely blind and retarded
This is why i dont give you the (you)

>only just now getting into mtg again after many years
>holy fuckballs this card costs 4.5 grand fuck that
>make the shit as a proxy
>card printing companies literally all have horror stories around the internet of credit cards being stolen because surprise surprise theyre all chinese fuckers
>and the place i went to removed the ability to use paypal too
well, that was short lived
too bad

>>97426348
just read the OP you lazy faggot

>>97426351
my guy, i got to that point literally by reading the OP

>>97426354
then i dunno what you're bitching about considering both this thread and the edh thread have been regularly using mpcfill to shit out decks for years

>>97426348
>What is paypal
Lol, lmao even. If only someone had come up with a solution.

>>97426348
Maybe dont play vintage?

>>97426339
NTA but it's draft too. I tried to find draft or sealed events after me once prerelease was over, and there aren't any in a 100 mile radius that I could find, despite looking at literal dozens of game stores with magic events. Next limited event is Ninja Turtles prerelease. Everything else is just commander or one soulful store with a weekly modern event, but that's too rich for my blood.

Your Standard Players are Assholes argument doesn't explain why no one drafts anymore.

>>97426356
im bitching about people having their credit cards stolen when buying from makeplayingcards and there now being no paypal payment option when i tried to use them please pay attention

>>97426357
i literally just said they REMOVED the ability to use paypal. its not an option on checkout.

>>97426363
i just really gotta have my timetwister man

>>97426378
Sorry I didn’t read it properly. Anywhere that removes paypal can go fuck themselves in my books.

>>97426376
The people who played constructed also played limited because there was a competitive reason for it. Competitiveness=asshole. Listen to the vocaroo in the OP, it's why people play EDH because there are no stakes and no fucking feelbads and nobody telling you your deck is bad.

Prerelease isn't limited. Yes, I know it's played in a limited format. But it isn't a competitive environment. EDH is the same as prerelease because of its lack of competition.

>>97426376
Draft has still been going strong in my city. Standard is long dead but limited is still pretty healthy

>>97426384
>EDH because there are no stakes and no fucking feelbads and nobody telling you your deck is bad.
Wellllll

>>97426376
A lot of limited/ draft players just play on arena these days is the thing due to it being cheaper and more convenient

>>97426222
>Premodern
The "super healthy format I swear" who started banning mean cards the moment it was recognized by Wotc?
Yeah good luck with that

>>97426303
>It's weird because people attend prereleases, but then have zero interest for in store play
It's also easier to fit one friday every other month in your agenda for an event than going every friday until the end of time for FNM; especially with prerelease because you technically don't need to prep or bring anything.

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>>97426222
>can't cast Brainstorm otherwise players have a melty

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Heehoohanga

>>97425495
Making Klingons black? lol. Don't forget what they did to the Easterlings in The Lord of the Rings set and what wizards are doing with orcs and stuff like that.

>>97425582
You mite feel more at home on r/sigmarxism

>>97426242
Bro is /here/ confirmed.

>>97426105
Imagine getting sacked for a thing nobody even remembers or cares about today.

>>97426926
>sacked
Artists work on commission. He merely stopped receiving new ones.

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>Given the nature of Magic’s secondary market, the rate at which new Magic card sets are printed and sold directly impacts the value of existing Magic cards to collectors. As such, the overprinting of new Magic sets would reduce the value of existing Magic sets. Although analysts and investors consistently inquired as to whether the Company was in fact overprinting Magic sets, the Individual Defendants repeatedly denied such speculation

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Pigs eat slop.

>>97427262
Are the violations actually tied to Magic or is this more about the rest of the business failing?

>>97427262
Gross mismanagement is an understatement. But those large nosed “shareholders” probably are suing to get them to print even more limited, ultra rare, serialized cards. You know, to fulfill their fiduciary duty of milking piggies dry.

>>97425134
>>97425201
Another easy and insane common fash w.
(((People))) are killing everything you love.
There is a stop to it.

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Lorwyn is too faggy for me to care about modern lore. But from what i can tell. Since the elves stopped killing eyeblights, nigger kithkin started becoming a thing. Non whites are eyeblights confirmed,

>>97427413
Mind altering truth nuke.

>>97427413
+izzat

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>>97427262

why are you still playing this game if it's so garbage as you say?

>>97427691
I've not spent a dime on this product in ages.

>>97427691
I haven't played a game of 60-card magic since 2023 or so
Even that was on Arena, I've never actually owned a constructed deck for any competitive format because they don't exist where I live

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>>97425198
what i want:
>larp as a homeless wizard that trows rats at high ranking wizards that summon giga dragons
what WOTC thinks we want:
>LOOK THIS POC CHARACTER, ARE YOU IDENTIFIED YET, INCLUSIVITY MATTERS
>KOWABUNGA FOR EVERYONE

Slops eat pig.

>>97427262
i hate how every hobby is now an "investment"
i wish they print every gingle expensive card to the ground and sends back this scalpers back to brazil

>>97427691
I don't. I quit 3 years ago.

>>97427747
why are you here?

>>97427738
>sends back this scalpers back to brazil
is the joke that you're also brazilian

>>97427762
Your next line will be "But you still play Premodern".

>>97427691
I literally am just here for the show.
No money, no support, nothing outside Arena and just laughing at the absolute crash of what has been a game i loved and cared about, destroyed by the unending greed of an evil corporation.

>>97427804
Well, do you?

>>97427756
Idk it's fun to see people slowly losing their mind.

>fuck everyone and their mother with White/Green kithkin spam
So... anyway. Lets move on to TMNT

>>97427262
GOOD.
The law cares about the facts of the case, not what a defendant states the facts are. WotC should not be allowed to declare they don't care about the secondary market WHILE LITERALLY HAVING AN INTERNAL TEAM DEDICATED TO TRACKING THE SECONDARY MARKET AND MAINTAINING REPRINT EQUITY.

WotC engages in the literal textbook definition of fraud.

>>97427691
I have a 7000+ card cube for me and my buddies. Sets all the way up to 7th edition old border with a smidgen of new cards that match the feel and aesthetic.

>>97427963
When you look at the cost of an individual Collector Pack and then look at the average value of cards within that pack, everything will make perfect sense. Thankfully the pigs who eat slop are incapable of basic math or making good decisions.

>>97427691
For me it's a spectator sport where I get to laugh how absurdly shit everything has turned, haven't played in years

>>97428046
>When you look at the cost of an individual Collector Pack and then look at the average value of cards within that pack, everything will make perfect sense. Thankfully the pigs who eat slop are incapable of basic math or making good decisions.
Watching content creators with their stupid dollar counters go minus 1500 dollars every collector box opening is a miserable display of the spiritual failures of the modern world.

>buy one(1) collector pack
>more than pays for itself
>do not buy another collector pack
Simply be lucky.

>>97427691
>why are you still playing this game if it's so garbage as you say?
Nobody is still playing MTG.

>>97428073
But does it really pay for itself if you don't sell the cards?

dead game lmao

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>>97428086
yes

>>97428086
>developed a fund based entirely on the current tcg high for your cards
>borrow against this perceived value
>buy more cardboard
>infinite money glitch

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>>97428173
>Tranny flag colors in the eyes
Even the anime memes are pozzed now. Is nothing sacred to you fags.

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>>97428210
>tfw the pokemon pocket shop tickets are the same shit

>>97427262
>investorscalpers sue because they can't get rich off of new sets
good, get fucked

I would understand if they sued for the gross mismanagement of the game but it's obvious it is what this anon said>>97427345

Secondary market should never fucking matter and if wotc had balls they'd start reprinting older sets like alpha since that shit is only kept like it is by boomers who believe they're going to retire because they will magically sell the boxes they've been hoarding for 30 years
fuck em

>>97427262
>overprinting of new Magic sets would reduce the value of existing Magic sets
So with all of the cards printed in the last 10 years, how much did the sets from 20-30 years ago drop in value?
Can I cheap boxes of ie; Urza's Saga now?

>>97427691
I'm better than 99.9% of players and it's fun to win, plus my EV is so high that I make some value whenever I play (I only play for stakes).
Plus, as a boomer who has been winning tournaments and shitposting on 4chan since before many of you were born (judging by the quality of your posts), I have to say MTG is in a much better state now than it was ~10 years ago. 2025 was a recent high water mark for that period, if anything.

>>97428305
I mean, here's the thing; they'll only drop in value only if you are getting the newer versions of said cards. If you still want a box of Saga; it'd have to be the reprint version of the card, while the old version would only devalue slightly

I've got an awkward situation that keeps popping up in our lastest commander pods.

So like last night another player declares their attackers and I ask "what abilities will trigger" then they reply "I can't tell you" - is that a legal response?

They've done this a few times now and makes our pod awkwardly pause and have to read through all of their cards. Oh there's a creature they're trying to sneak in that triggers extra combat phases...

So obviously players don't need to divulge their strategy or hidden cards but I was under the impression they're supposed to explain their cards if asked.

>>97428506
Hey buddy, looks like you got the wrong door.
The leather club is two blocks down.
>>97420034

>>97428210
>>97428264
How do I achieve this level of swarth?

>>97428506
it's EDH so rules don't really matter, right?
technically that is blatant cheating. you can't intentionally miss your triggers and then trigger them retroactively so that your opponents can't respond to them.
unless you mean he hasn't declared his attackers yet and he is just refusing to point out which creatures have relevant abilities. that sounds like something for your table to sort. "here, you can read the cards" is a valid response to "which creatures are going to fuck me up if they attack?"

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>>97428335
unc is just storming bait

>>97428525
>swarth
>An apparition of a person about to die; a wraith
or
>short grass
???

>tfw I don't think this game is bad and I have fun
It's just that shrimple

>>97428650
I do think the game is bad but I can still have fun despite that

>>97428650
it really depends which format you play and how you play it (but just having fun is best, I guess)

>>97428506
And people wonder why Commander / EDH is so maligned by 60 card players...

>>97428650
>shrimple
Stopped reading there.

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>>97428650
I dont enjoy the limited of ECL.
The next set is a two pick draft set.

>>97428695
pick two is never going to be a real thing
it's just bait for EDH and constructed noobies

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>>97428650
Sorry, you made me post this.

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>>97427345
baiting whales into cracking collector boxes is actually good for the game
we get cheaper singles and the play boosters can stay cheaper and more available while they milk whales and speculators on the collector boxes
I think if they'd actually lean more into this to make their money and stop printing so many sets a year and all the UB the game would be more healthy and they'd probably make more money

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>>97427927
>MAINTAINING REPRINT EQUITY.
>WotC engages in the literal textbook definition of fraud
explain what exactly the problem is like I'm retarded
genuinely curious what the core issue is here other than the obvious lying

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>>97428305
I mean through pure dilution this is true, but also more significantly and directly through reprints, functional reprints, power creep, etc.

>>97428721
No it's not. You want to attract whales in videogames, not real stuff, because that attracts speculators and scalpers who will inevitably buy up anything they believe they can make money on thus increasing prices overall and lowering availability.
>play boosters are cheap
A box is 150+ at release only dropping after months when the new stuff comes out.
And if a card in a set ends up breaking the game, it makes the box even more expensive.
Collector boosters were a mistake.

There's a lot of parallels between the MTG secondary market and the housing market in the lead up to the '08 crash.

>>97428743
the amount of singles that hit the market from people cracking collector boosters hunting for their shiny benefits actual players, and the existence of large numbers of "more desirable/valuable alt arts" helps to keep prices on normal singles lower, as well
also, I didn't say they were cheap. I just mean that having a premium product they can milk will help keep play boosters from being as aggressively monetized and "gamblified" since they have their outlet for that
the speculators and tourists also go for the collector boxes as a majority which doesn't negatively affect actual players the same way it would if they were all hoarding playboxes

>>97428769
Yeah except the Federal Government isn’t handing out money for people to buy cardboard

>>97428784
>he's not funneling his autismbux straight into his cardboard crack addiction

>>97428794
Wouldn't it be more lucrative to become a gambling daytrader with your autismbux?

>>97428773
You don't get it.
If i was a speculator, i wouldn't fucking go where everyone is going because i'd be competing with, buying from and selling to other speculators 90% of the time.
I would buy up products no other speculator buys. Now multiply that by the amounts of speculators in this game, you get a fucked up market only because the trade is held up by speculators believing they're gonna catch Moby Dick in a fucking desert.

>>97428827
Buy high and sell low

>>97428828
I do get it and you're not a speculator, this is not how they behave
tik tok brained wannabe crypto finance bros are not logical and do not make smart decisions
we know that the scalpers and speculators are mostly buying up collector boxes
that's just the reality, and I'd much rather have them continue to do that (if not lean even more into it) than have these kind of trends spill over into play boosters

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>>97428841
>no it do not be like that because i assume they're all stupid
How much product you got hoarded, Anon?

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>>97428859
your reading comprehension is abysmal
I buy singles, and actually play the game

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>>97428887
>no akshually you can't read
No, no, my piggy, i'm reading inbetween the shit stained lines you write.

>full on denial
>underestimates the intelligence of others
So these are the two possibilities:
You're a scalper or a reseller trying to damage control or spin a narrative or you're projecting your own limitations on others.
How can you not figure out that the worm eats the entire apple and not just a fraction of it?
Do you think a thief who steals cards will not raid the cash register if he got the chance to? I mean, he a card thief, so why the fuck would he steal money, right?

>>97427262
>kikes trying to out-shekel JOTC over shekels
They should abolish the reserve list in response. See how investors like that.

>>97428506
they do have to tell you, if it's open and not private info
or you can read the fucking cards

>>97428733
>explain what exactly the problem is like I'm retarded
To understand, consider two sets of laws,
>Gambling Laws
Lotteries, specifically. If WotC tailors their products according to the price of items within, knowing some purchases yield higher value than others, then by law they are selling a lottery. This is not legal anywhere without licensing.
To avoid being licensed as a gambling business, which would bar WotC from selling to children, the company must outwardly state they do not heed secondary market prices when designing products. They, however, blatantly do heed this and it's obvious as fuck to everyone, thus WotC is operating illegally.

>Securities fraud
When you present false information to drive the purchasing or investment decisions of your customers.
This comes into play with WotC lying about their tracking of the secondary market. They have an internal team to track it, but publicly state they don't. This can impact many types of customers and could be fraud from a dozen different angles.

It's not like WotC would disintegrate if this shit got looked at by the law, but with the introduction of Collector Boosters especially, almost every person who engages with MTG or Hasbro stock has at least some grounds for a lawsuit

Kinda surprised they didn't do "Your Blight triggers may target enemy creatures" on something

>>97429155
They did the champion goblin that blights you and the opponent.
I guess they could have done a card that makes the opponent blight whenever you blight.

This set is just a mess.

>>97429038
I don't disagree with what you say, but aren't all CCG boosters lotteries by their very nature? it's always been the gacha of old times, and unlike gacha, they can be resold

>>97427262
I doubt it

>>97427738
>i hate how every hobby is now an "investment"
its not you are just a retard with bad hobbies

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>>97425906

The old frame era during 90's and early 2000 (Alpha-Scourge) had one of the greatest art in Magic. This used to be true Magic. My interest in Magic is slowly fading and started to get more into Sorcery: Contested Realm, that brings back what WotC has abanoned long ago.

>>97428683
good, that was the end of the sentence :)

>>97428650
OH FUCK I THOUGHT I WAS IN THE YUGIOH THREAD! I REALLY FUCKING NEED TO CHECK SHIT LIKE THAT AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

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>>97429468
> OH FUCK I THOUGHT I WAS IN THE YUGIOH THREAD!

>>97429484
o7

>>97426266
Complaining about the Viashino type update is dumb as fuck. The game doesn't have "Aven" or "Leonin" card types. It has Bird and Cat. Because that enables better gameplay, makes the tribes less parasitic and gives players more options.

Updating cephalids to be octopuses and viashino to be lizards brings consistency to something that has been pointlessly inconsisetnt in magic for a long time and does so in a way that now lets you play, say, shield broker in a sea-monsters-matter deck, therefore expanding the playspace and the usability of these cards. like i understand objfecting to functional errata in principle but this partiuclar change is just an absolute no-brainer to me

>>97429702
>Complaining about the Viashino type update is dumb as fuck. The game doesn't have "Aven" or "Leonin" card types. It has Bird and Cat
Skrull and Klingon tho. Now those are acceptable creature types.

>>97429766
Huh. They'll almost certainly do individual alien races like Klingon. But Final Fantasy introduced 'Alien' as a creature type so who knows, maybe they'll double them up.
Either way that guy is right that crying about Viashino is retarded, and it's obvious which retards are the ones doing.

fuck tribal btw

>>97429811
BASED kindredbro

>>97429822
fuck jews btw

>>97429766
>but what about OTHER DUMB THING
When did this board become infested with retarded niggers trying to turn every discussion into le epic twitter clapbacks

>>97429831
>When did this board become infested with retarded niggers trying to turn every discussion into le epic twitter clapbacks
Get ratiod, nerd.

>>97429831
2016 election tourists were the deathknell of this site
I know
cause im him

>>97429913
not just this site, but the entire internet.
although this site did get hit worse than anywhere else.

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Does anybody else find it kind of weird that these two cards weren't designed in a way that lets them work together? Reanimation is a rare effect, so to have a reanimation synergy card and a reanimator in the same set that don't even work together, it's strange.

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if I order my fire bending triggers here, why doesn't this order carry into the triggers of firebending ascension?

i copied a 2 instead of a 5 because of this bullshit

Is Lowyn as weak as people say?

>>97429938
they are made for different commander decks so not weird at all

>>97429959
Small indie company
Please understand

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>>97429938
He forgot about my wife...

>>97429938
Not every pair of similar cards will work well together. Dissident seems more for counters synergy anyway.

>>97429969
it feels weak because there is no obvious gamebreaking cards like cub but there is a lot of upgrades for specific archtypes, I think spider-man would be a better example of a weak set

>>97429702
>The game doesn't have "Aven" or "Leonin" card types
I agree, Aven should have their own unique creature type. Luckily, Viashino (and Homarids, and Slivers, et cetera) long predate the mistake that was making Aven "Birds," and set the precedent that Magic-originated races are allowed to have their own creature types.

Or, alternatively, Humans should be rolled into Ape. Since you have no issue with removing flavor from things as long as this improves tribal synergies, it should be an acceptable change.

>>97429913
Nah, it was MLP.

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The elvan burden

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>>97429969
It has potential. We just need to wait a little longer for people to try new cards. Hexing squelcher is at least good for 2 damage in pioneer goblins. You can imagine her wrapping her legs around you.

>>97430267
>Nah, it was MLP.
It was when the furries were allowed to stay.

Lorwyn Eclipsed is my first real Magic set, is that good or bad?

>>97430437
lmao

>>97430437
What format are you playing, anon?

>>97430437
Its good
Ignore all the doomers in the thread

>>97430267
>Nah, it was MLP.
Oh shut up

>>97430437
Its bad
Listen all the doomers in the thread

>>97430437
welcome to the best* game ever created

>>97430267
>Humans should be rolled into Ape.
This is atheist fan fiction btw

>>97430447
Format? Like the mat I play my cards on? I bought one from Transbian Community College, I learned everything about Magic the Gathering from that channel.

>>97430437
GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE YOU FAGGOT

>>97427963
Based on Final Fantasy those packs would be scalped which will lead to having to overprint but they don't want to allocate printing time to a set that only appeals to a small amount of players when they 5 other yearly players. This is compounded by the fact that the players they are trying to appeal to will complained how they can't buy the set. The solution is for wotc to actually create a printing factory rather than contract printing factories.

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>>97430496
When I look the mirror, I see this staring back at me.

>>97430578
monkee

>>97425539
Protowoke is still woke. Stick to Nerdrotic and Mauler, fag.

>>97429155
I don't think they've done "Your Sacrifice triggers may target enemy creatures"

> 0 (zero) goblin, elves, faeries, treefolk, or kithkin in the sets immediately before and after lorwyn eclipsed
bravo format design

>>97430606
Stunning, even.

>>97425590
soi leddit take that has been repeated by midwits everywhere

>>97425575
you say "would" like they don't chimp out over every new trek show being LE WOKE already

>>97430267
The reason humans aren't rolled into apes is the same reason dragons were split into wurms, serpent, and drakes and wizards into shaman, warlocks, and sorcerers. Too many creatures into one type overpowers the type. Even yugioh split dragons into wyrms because of this.

>>97426128
The one good thing about EDH.

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>>97430606
Foundations has them all and will be standard legal longer than those sets.

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>>97430625
>The Nu-Trek getting released today

>>97430625
Ah yes what an amazing show with not at all cringe and retarded shit like a landwhale swallowing her commbadge.

https://youtu.be/TchxCCyMUNA?si=L-eHxSw6VheuSboq

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Blocks will always fail.

>>97430672
Set boxes were such a fucking scam lmao.

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>>97430632
This is why I like "outlaw". Lets them fuck around with tribal synergy without being heavy-handed about it. You get the thematic cohesion that makes straight tribal appealing, but it's not quite as linear and spoonfed as an explicit tribal piece. You look at Lorwyn and you have Kithkin which synergize with Kithkin and do not synergize with anything that is not Kithkin so you want to put Kithkin with Kithkin.

>>97430648
>>97430668
Based stereotype

any balancing ideas?

CARDNAME, GG
2/2 Creature

CARDNAME can't be blocked by creatures with lesser power.

GG: CARDNAME gets +2/+0 until end of turn.

>>97430686
Counterpoint: Racism is based.

>>97430697
Green rarely, if ever, gets asymmetrical buffs. Should be +2/+2.

>>97430697
not FIRE enough for current year, too good for a low power nostalgia cube

How can I word this taking into consideration hands are a hidden zone?

Late Start, {1}{U}{U}
Enchantment

When Late Start enters, choose an opposing player. The chosen player cannot cast spells from their hand the turn they are drawn.

>>97430699
True and I'm not saying direct tribal synergy shouldn't exist, just that tribes with a lot of flavor overlap should get more stuff to enable that overlap.

>>97430707
>Whenever your opponent draws a card, that card is put into exile, that card returns to their hand at the start of their next Upkeep.

>>97430707
I guess they'd have to set the cards they draw apart. You could also have it exile any card they draw which would be returned to their hand at the end of their turn.

>>97430578
Why are you black

>>97430718
>exile
face down

>>97430707
why isn't it an aura curse btw

Power Spire, {3}
Artifact

Power Spire is red.

Whenever you cast a spell, you may counter it. Add energy counters to Power Spire equal to the countered spell's mana value.

T: Power Spire deals X damage to target creature where X is the number of energy counters on Power Spire.

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Are we posting custom cards?
Nice I just thought of a cool one. Rate my design anons!

>>97430851
0/10
That is my hole. Why are there strangers near my hole. That is the bad touch get away from my hole REEEWEEEEE$EE

>>97430864
It's everyone's hole, anon. Each individual's hole, individually.

Overdrive Engine, {3}{R}{R}
Enchantment

If a source you control would deal 3 or less damage to an opponent, it deals double that damage instead.

>>97430851
What about a 1 mana sinkhole that has hymn yourself as a drawback? Is that anything?

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>>97430287
>Dare you enter the gay realm?
>>97430437
Sorry.
>>97430648
>>97430668
I bow to our Overlords!

Parry, {1}{W}{B}
Instant

Target blocking or blocked creature gains Indestructible until end of turn. Roll a d20.

1 - 14 | No additional effect.
15 - 20 | That creature gains Deathtouch until end of turn.

>>97430923
Gotta have the critical xD NAT 20 memes.
DT + Lifelink on 20.

>>97430941
>20 | You win the game

>>97429969
It has a lot of fun cards, and that's all that matters in EDH. This format is just Mario Party and anyone that says otherwise is retarded.

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>>97430944

>>97430962
I'm not sure that's true because Mario Party makes my blood boil but I can tolerate EDH when my opponents aren't bumfuck retarded.

nobody showed up to draft night tonight :(

should have gone to nebraska
draft is booming there

>>97431051
Tons of people showed up to my LGS for Drag Night

>>97431051
>nobody showed up to draft night tonight :(
What you're seeing is just a small slice. You have to think of the whole ecosystem. There is a Magic boom in Nebraska.

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>>97430979
The House always wins

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>>97430578
I look like this and live like this.

>>97430606
>angels and demons are sparse despite being some of the most popular tribal types
>years in between major vampires and leonin (cats) releases
>dwarves almost nonexistent
>wizards owned races like tieflings almost non-existent and others like aasimar don't exist at all

The tribal system in this game is a fucking mess

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>>97430578
You go kang

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>>97431414
The race system is a side effect of when magic designers recognized genetic differences.

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>>97428932
>you're trying to manipulate the market by posting psyops
>on niche board in an even more niche general on a mongolian basket weaving forum
oh you're just off your meds
why not just say that?
sorry, for the late reply btw
I was off actually playing the game

I'm enjoying ECL limited because it's the only format right now where red sucks ass.

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