Previous: >>97410210"This Didn't Happen, By The Way" edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQWhat's the worst experience you ever had playing Commander?
>>97420034>3 mana thoughtseize
>>97420039
>TQ>use to just use real cards no matter what the value>Some porn-dealing monster with yellow gargoyle talons reached across the table and grabbed my graveyard to check something and gouged my imperial seal through my sleeves and damaged the cardAbout it I guess, which is why I proxy anything over 40 dollars for my decks and let those chill in my binder.
>>97420063this didn't happen
>>97419452I'm excited because if the trend holds we'll get lots of hobbits focused around food and I'll finally get the definitive fat fucks commander+creatures deck I've craving to build ever since the first LOTR dropped.Of course I was also excited for Lorwyn because I thought we were also going to get lots of new faeries, and that turned out to be a mega bust so I have to temper my expectations.
>>97420034>What's the worst experience you ever had playing Commander?>playing with group I usually play with>a new person comes in an joins, forcing us into a 5 pod>I am playing Izzet Eldrazi suspend>game goes on for like 10+ turns>I suspend worldfire>No one complains>3 turns pass>worldfire cast>new person suddenly out of no where gets very upset saying that isn't bracket 2 (no one stated we were using brackets nor did they even ever ask about brackets)>says they quit>everyone else now feels really awkward and just concede to end the game while everyone now feels weird.And that is why I forever hate bracket fags
>>97411025I'm gonna need a link to that, anon.
>>97420034>someone plays Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir >Im next in turn order>the guy keeps countering my spells (I'm playing Mimeoplasm)>this goes on while the other two players get their board stateThankfully, karma was on my side>he Transmuted Tolaria West to get Pact of Negation>I'm holding Emrakul, the Promised End>bait him out with a Reanimate spell, targeting Jin-Gitaxis>he counters it with Pact>I can Emrakul>He just looks at the card and says "... oh.">He quietly concedes>Pod leader talks to me "dude that was a little harsh, dont you think?">I just lol and say "I was his target and I baited him. Fucker had it coming.">We don't see the Teferi player again
>>97420063cool it with the anti-semitic tropes, buddy
>>97420094Cool it with the feminist movie references, bud.
>>97420034>TQ>2022>Playing my new crappy jund infect aggro deck with lots of pump spells>Plan works and I kill my friend on the 4th turn of the game>He's clearly pretty upset he died before he could get going>Game turns into a 3 and a half hour slog where my deck completely runs out of juice while my bro is just sitting there mad dogging me the whole time>I have somehow not died>Mercifully the mono blue wizard deck eventually combos out and kills us>Guy hosting kicks everybody out >Friend sat there for 3 hours not getting to play because my retarded meme deck killed him, doesn't even get a game 2>mfw I'm his ride home
This guy actually seems le good. Does anyone run him?
>walk into the LGS>See the UB pod in the back corner>Turn 360 degrees and walk oit
>>97420136>implying you play MTG
>>97420131he cute, only blueblackred commander I accept
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97420139>implying UB is MtG
>>97420218You lost.
I have a feeling the stupid Joshua Graham commander is gonna be $100 cause of fallout fans
>>97420034>What's the worst experience you ever had playing Commander?I have had „worse” but this is the only one that still bothers me>be player 1 in rotation>player 3 is playing wheels and draw-mill>player 2 playing tribal or some shit>player 4 doesn’t matter>P3 has gotten way out of hand and it’s time to do something about it>we’re drawing like 14 cards a turn>the engine is all set up by enchantments>no one has removal>I pump my commander up>swing at P3>next turn I will swing for lethal>P2 has creature removal>uses it on my fucking commander>point out to them I’m the only one that can stop P3>”yeah but then you’ll swing it at me”>P3 combos the fuck out and we all draw 70 or some shit >would have lost anyway>still doesn’t justify removing my commanderI’m still mad, this was a year ago.
huh, alopex has a card, but she isn't a legendary. Thats a shame, she's basically the only tmnt character I'd have a chance as running a commander.
>>97420233>>97420233>>97420233Shit like this makes me so glad I only play online because I'd crash out in person.
>>97420233P2 is a retard. I would of let P3 die and save the removal for when that thing comes to me at that very moment, not pre-emptively, especially when P3 has given him more than enough resources. Its always the winning move to let your opponent use their resources on someone else and save it for when you're in trouble.
>>97420258They did this in Spider-Man where they represented some named-characters on non-legendary cards to try and cut down on the legendary bloat.
So the turtles set looks like it's leaning hard into just making very simple and basic but effective color identity cards. This really pisses me off since I have lots of simple Timmy decks that want these cards but then I'd have to use cringeass ninja turtles.
>>97420258just do it
>>97420318eh, i was more curious/hopeful she'd get a neat ability. being able to bag only creatures is kinda lame.
>>97420311If you just don’t buy UB WotC will be forced to bring back UW or otherwise just reprint these effects on normal cards.Stop falling for FOMO.
Thinking about building her as a human tribal/light-stax deck with 40+ creatures, do you guys think that would work or nah?
>>97420397Why the fuck is that weapon so tiny next to her head? Is that meant to be a fucking rapier or a letter opener?
>>97420131Ran him for few years but dissassembled him this year because the gameplay was one-note and transparant.The drawback in Tresserhorn etb is substantial so you have to run cards to mitigate that. You have to generate plenty of sac fodder. Run options that he has both haste and evasion to land a hit. Damage doublers to make that hit count. Protection because once hes removed youre a sitting duck.Covering all of the above you have a functional deck thats a threat, but you dont have alot of room for expression. Normally Id deckpost but it seems the pictures of the deck are on an old phone. Soulful inclusion is Shivan Harvest as targetted lamd destruction
>>97420131>>97420461I realize no one bloody asked but I exported a decklist that might assist in inspiration to build the guy. https://manabox.app/decks/h5J8RhnsSrukw0amVI6MOg
>>97420499he cute
Teferi's Pass WInstantPut a +1/+1 counter on target creature. It phases out.
>>97420515
Lol what this is outrageous, get it together
>>97420600me in the front
>>97420600how else am I supposed to scalp if I can't botskip the lines?
>>97420218Final Fantasy and Dragonstorm were the only mtg sets released in 25.
>>97420034>What's the worst experience you ever had playing Commander?Back in college when the format was first getting popular a friend of mine convinced me to throw together a deck and play against him. He reanimated an Iona turn 4
>>97420600We love Cloudflare! Especially when it's down again and takes half the internet with it.
>>97420696I love when CloudFlare withdraws service from a completely legal US website for the first time ever, and then years later cries about the Italian government threatening net neutrality by fining them 14mn for not blocking pirating websites
>>97420139>troon calling someone else a touristYou have no idea how obvious you are
>>97420685>not discarding it to max hand size then reanimating it turn 2
>>97420034some guy new to the shop and area spilled soda on my cards and mathe left the store and I never saw him again
>get into a counter war with the guy who has infinite money>counterspell countered by force of will>arcane denial countered by fierce guardianship>negate redirected by deflecting swat of all things>all I've got left is one untapped island and a spell pierce>he pays the 2 because he didn't need to spend mana on any of his shitNo country for honest blue players.
>>97421161FoW is fair. FG and Swat are not. That whole cycle is a design mistake.
>become monarch>guy hands me this
>>97420139Why even bother replying
reminder more than half of the posters here no longer play mtg and are here to shitpost
>>97420229Joshua's the coolest fallout character and isshin's popular, it's bound to be like that
IS SHE GOOD WILL SHE GO UP IN PRICE OR IS SHE FINE TO PUT OFF NOT BUYING
>>97421454>paragraph of text>for the most milquetoast meme effect everThe ECL Experience
>>97421454Would these niggas be good in her deck
>>97421370Having him be an Isshin reprint is kinda lame but I like that he can effectively support Caesar.>>97421454She's like $2, if you're worried why not just buy her? I probably won't build her for a while but I'm including her in my next big order
>>97421454she's fine, she's fun, but she's not powerful, she's not gunna be worth more than a dollar or two in a week.
>>97421484I think it would be better the other way around
>>97421952Oh great, he's awake early in the thread. No one mention proxies or he's going to go on about his autistic hyperfixation again.
>>97422133>nobody mention the thing I just saidIQ scores are rapidly falling in online spaces. Threads dead anyway
Proxies and UB am I right fellas?
>>97422239Imagine playing against a troon playing a UB commander with coomer proxies.Id have to burn the LGS down
>>97422478You don't go outside but if you did and this did happen you would do nothing and seeth about it on here hours later
>>97422478what about a coomer proxy of the Post secret lair K'rrik?
I just realized how shit this card was. Until I was actually playing did it realize it didn't have the "or less clause" so it has to be exact.
Oh you're playing Eldrazi? I'm going to hard cast them :)
>>97422551Next you'll be trying to convince us Birthing Pod is also bad.
>>97422551It's an excellent card. If you have a play pattern in mind you just stick to that. If your deck is a random slop pile and you have no strategy I guess it sucks.
>>97422569If you have enough creatures on board to do that, you're winning anyway.
>>97422603Not like that's hard to do with elves
>>97422603Hilariously bad take. 15 tokens is nothing.
>play reckless fire weaver>Oh fuck, we gotta hard target that player or counter/remove it instantly because they are gonna slug us to death!>Someone plays omniscience>No one reacts, no counter, no attempt to remove it.
>>97420271100% this.>play a game where someone combo's with Sanguine Bond/Exquisite Blood>i always run a shitton of removal>other players turn to me for an answer>only the combo player has a higher life total then me>say i'll wait to intervene after the other 2 are deadThey were not happy with me
>>97422722Maybe the omniscience player didn't have any cards in hand.
>>97422722>wow! I commenced the endgame and now my opponents are windmill slamming threats and game ending pieces!>>97422727Unless it’s a long game, you should bargainYou know what. They need to add commander specific mechanics like favor tokens
>3-mana commander>not green>sol ring doesnt work due to 1pippip casting cost>not mono black>no chrome mox/mox diamondis my ramp absolutely fucked? should I just abandon ramp and embrace the curve?
>>97422833Yes. Have fun.
https://moxfield.com/decks/SvlTVuQps0aSWI6kq4qNGAJust bought feet commander, but I don't have any green cards. This is a list of cards I came up with to start building the deck.Suggestions? What to cut / add?
>>97422784>you should bargainYes if the other 2 players weren't miles ahead of me and the combo player. I'm not at the table to play kingmaker.
>>97422833Does your deck want anything on the battlefield before your commander comes out or does your deck want its commander out before it does anything? If the latter, 2cmc ramp could be useful to give you faster double spells or hold up protection when you cast your commander on turn 3-4.Otherwise, early plays or early draw/impulse/selection. You don't "need" early ramp if you aren't ramping into anything specific. Consider burst ramp that puts you far ahead in the early-mid game, or utility rocks that just happen to tap for mana.
>>97422833Mox Amber and a 1 drop legend I guess
>>97421161yes, poors deserve to lose
Getting a parnesse the subtle brush alter. Verso or Sirene?
>>97422961Would you shut up about that mediocre fucking card.Pic related is objectively fucking better.
>>97423003AWOOOOOOGA
>>974229652 toughness is so fucking bad, he dies to the worst removal, he dies to incidental removal, he dies over and over and over again. Congrats you got to Hymn to Tourach everyone one time, now spend 6 mana to cast him again.
>>97423003If I were looking to cop a ban for absolutely no reason I guess I'd play pic related
>>97423025Oh no if only you had the best color for bringing shit back to the battlefield
>>97422569>I'm going to hard cast them :)>Without paying it's mana costFaeriefags truly are the most retarded motherfuckers on the planet
>>97423071Its a reference to eldrazi that have "if it was cast" effects
>>97422965I don’t give a fuck what you think about the power level. I copy a spell, and I give it to someone else, this format is not competitive, and if you play it competitively, you are a fucking retard
>>97423090>>97423108Do you guys seriously live with ads? You live in a world where at any time you could misclick onto fucking malware?Just install Brave browser, you can even import your shitty Chrome settings.
>>97420461Shame that. He seemed kind of like a fun idea.
>>97423135>this format is not competitiveIt's not about being competitive its about you constantly fucking posting a card that is better in the 99 and the command zoneYou used to post it all the fucking time and it was annoying enough, but then I discovered it's not even the best grixis instant & sorcery copy commander. You are effectively a waifufag.
>>97423146Illiterate, my post is literally about painting over it with another character. The mechanic is fun. I don’t understand why that’s so hard to grasp for you when I’ve reiterated this repeatedly with a non-competitive decklist. Of course it isn’t the best commander in any regard, it gives free shit to your opponents.
>>97420136I dunno, I think I could still work with top left there.
>>97420136They're already self-contained to a table, who cares
>playing a sagas deck>cast 3 harmless sagas in 5 turns>get focused because “there’re too many things happening in your board bro”
>go away for over a year>come back>same as it ever was Neat. See you next year.
>>97423135>this format is not competitiveExcept everyone is retarded and people only play it competitively.
>>97423341I wish I could play sagas. Fucking sucks that it's just the UB card type now. I believe it's now over half of all sagas are UB, it's fucking obscene
>>97423341>I tick up this one, and that one, and that one, and that one, and that one...Yeah, you're wasting my time.
>>97423364God forbid I take game actions.
>>97423354They've already milked almost all relevant UW moments into other card types (bonds of mortality), and the rest into sagas (the eldest reborn)Whatever could possibly be left is better served to UB as UB is the main priority now due to contractual obligations with 3rd parties, wotc's A team is all there
>>97423376Take game actions that aren't time wasting durdle fests
>>97423376I once locked out a table by blinking a bunch of annoying shit with Ghostway + Eternal Witness and after resolving all the triggers every time I learned that god does indeed forbid taking some amount of gratuitous game actions.
>>97423341What's the deck? I'll durdle in your stead.
Beginner here.Does a card have to specifically say >youfor it to only benefit me?Trying to figure out if this card benefits the other players too
>like building synergistic decks>dont use any tutors>dont use any 2 card instant win combos>dont use any game changers>according to archidekt theyre only bracket 2>local people complain about my decksi only started playing two months ago, how can i tell if my decks are too strong or if the people in my area just suck?
>>97423397>>97423398Saga triggers are no different to storming off, idk why the fact its permanent triggers instead of casting a bunch of instants is somehow worse for you people
>>97423502It benefits other players too
>>97423509The average casual player doesnt know how to win effectively
>>97423502You can't actually be this bad at reading card text anon. If it just said "whenever" maybe I'd get your confusion but it literally says "its controller" instead of "you"I don't know how it could be more clear.Here's the exact same effect but better and only applying to you btw.
>>97423530This. It's less about the deck and more about the shitty pilot behind it.
>>97423510Storming off usually builds toward a win the turn it happens. You are just getting through your upkeep. They are not he same.
>>97423559Right and i say this because my pod has a real casual that doesnt care if he gets 1 win out of 12 for the night, a true "happy to be here" kind of guyWhich ofc makes reading rants here itt all the more funnier as they are all just sweats that don't know anything and are deeply in denial
>>97423509Are you running a bunch of simic decks that outpace everyone while they are busy durdling or something?
>>97423575Sagas are what you get and deserve for banning infinites in your pod btw
I'm trying to lower the curve and tune out my Teneb deck. I think I've got too much removal and too much recursion.
>>97423509ask if they're playing to win for startersa lot of people play the game to make friends, in which case you should bring funny and confusing decks or play your hand sparingly
>>97423601Seethe and projection.
>>97423619Concession accepted
>>97423627You lost the argument when strawmanned. So, whatever dork. Kill yourself or something.
>>97423606Hit post accidentally. I've got...>11 recursion spells>15 removal spells (8 mass removal, 7 targeted, good variety of exiles, sacrifice, -x/-x and destroy spells)But I've got only 9 draw spells and 12 ramps spells. Of course 9 tutors on top of all that. Should I be going for a few less recursion and removal for some more draw and win conditions?
>>97423636The only dork here seething about a shitty archetype is (You)
Retro-border artifacts look so much better, why did they ever switch to that dull gray?
>>97423588so far ive built a bello deck, a lathiel deck, and a teysa karlov deckare any of these considered "meta" or "overpowered" commanders?
>>97423678Because new border technically gives you more art than old, and extended cards are just the logical conclusion of that sentimentAs to why they switched to gray, it's probably because metal is more likely to be color gray than poo
Underrated card
>>97423748Nah oil counters are usually pretty bad.Here. It's more situational but objectively this shit will pay off more than Vat of Rebirth
>>97423678I agree. Especially the foil ones. Whenever available and I can afford it, I get that version.
What do we think of this card? Sure it's expensive, but man does it slap when it hits. Versatile too. It wins games.
>>97423678>>97423820They look ugly as sin, nostalgiaboomers. Outdated blocky design.
>>97423839
>>97423829If i'm going to pay more than 5 mana for a wrath i'd rather it comes with something a color rarely if ever gets to do, like stealing commanders
>>97423854Nah objectively just correct. It's like saying games from 2003 have better graphics than 2025. You might have nostalgia for that bygone era but objectively it's not BETTER by any metric.
>>97423857Does this steal a commander though? If so, based. But drawing potentially dozens of cards after a board wipe, and cycling out a bunch of tokens is also based.
>>97423678Because zoom zooms don't understand that "artifact" suggests ancient and ancient metal oxidizes. Case in point: >>97423704>>97423839
>>97423909The post Mirrodin artifact theme is too hard to distinguish from white cards. Older is bedder.
>>97423909Okay?1. There are artifacts that aren't ancient2. There are artifacts not made of metal3. Just because a card makes you specifically think of certain associations doesn't mean it needs to go on the frame4. Even if you disagree with all of the above it doesn't justify retro frames being so uglyyyyyyy
>>97423909Not only is rust not brown wizards want their toys shiny instead of rusting, sorry but those are straight facts
>>97423909Correct.>>97423948Also correct.>>97423941Incorrect.
>>97423929You know, when Mirrodin hit I thought the new border was a special treatment for the Mirrodin block, to represent how everything was shiny polished metal now and not rusty artifacts dug up from the Brothers' War. I really miss the corroded border and especially the stained glass effect on the text box.
>>97423897It steals commanders using the same logic of commanders dying triggering death triggers yes
Very complicated ruling question. Any nerds around?
>>97423941>1. There are artifacts that aren't ancientThere are artifacts that are ancient, and the name implies this.>2. There are artifacts not made of metalThere are artifacts that are made of metal, and the new border is still metal.>3. Just because a card makes you specifically think of certain associations doesn't mean it needs to go on the frameIt historically did go on the frame, and the name of the permanent type supported this.>4. Even if you disagree with all of the above it doesn't justify retro frames being so uglyyyyyyyZoomer taste issue.>>97423948>wizards want their toys shiny instead of rustingAnd here we hit on the crux of the issue: Wizards does not understand their own game, UB incentivizes them not to care, and zoom zooms have been raised in an environment where they don't know any better.
>>97423869Yes, we're not talking about a difference in fidelity. It's a stylistic difference, which has nothing to do with age. It is by definition a subjective measure. Statements like "outdated" or decrying it as "blocky" are subjective and don't actually say anything of value about the quality of those things. Blocky can be good. Sleek and clean is not an objective improvement in art. If you wanted to approach it from that angle, then we could easily approach the new frame from the angle of calling it "sterilized" and "over-simplified."
>>97423959Thanks Ikoria rules change.
>>97423979just ask your question
>simply run 30 creatures, 10 counterspells, 10 spot removal, 10 wincons, 10 ramp spells, 10 draw spells, 42 lands (all enter untapped), average cmc of 2 with any 4 mana spells being ones that win the game immediately, and also make it a deck that doesn't need its commander to functionCool.
>>97423748I sowl good use out of that in rakdos with treasures.
>>97424013I will do no such thing. My average cmc is gonna be at least 5.
opsiee, I just held a game hostage for 4 hours with my winconless control deck
>>97423984>There are artifacts that are ancient, and the name implies this.>There are artifacts that are made of metal, and the new border is still metal.Oh, okay. How ancient and metallic is pic related?
>>97424030Did you win? The ultimate insult with that kind of deck is being so winconless that you literally don't win, you just wasted everyone's time.
>>97424013>10 spot removalSorry chud the new hot thing is either removal engines or boardwipes with NO cheap instant speed spot removal according to the diaper polycule.
>>97424005If you say so. >bunch of shit in the graveyard, assume at minimum one creature>opalescence out>cast replenish>animate dead is in the graveyardNevermind. I figured it out. Animate dead is an aura even if my old ass version doesnt say that thanks to an errata.
>>97424042If you replace Animate Dead with Necromancy you might get confused again.
>>97424038SHUT UP! DELETE THIS!
>>97424039No the ultimate insult is to pretend you've lost and shuffle through your hand, graveyard, even cards in exile, and scan the field, each several times like you can't believe you've lost. And then straight-faced, wordlessly play a wincon and take the game.There's literally nothing worse than someone who goes through every card like their brain is capable of storing each individual one in memory for a serendipitous surprise combo instead of just playing their fucking hand. It's the worst thing you can do to people without fucking up their cards.
>>97424048Well, it was part of an enchanted evening combo my brain melted a bit. What happens with necromancy?
>>97424087necromancy is just a non-aura that becomes an aura as an ETB trigger, it ought to work with opalescence out because it's gaining the subtype.
>>97424108Then you just bring back the creature, necromancy is a creature based on the layers or priority or whatever, it never enchants the creature, the creature goes to the yard, you put the trigger for the creature on the stack whenever you want?
>>97424038>most of these objects belong to a given category>ARE YOU STUPID THERE'S ONE THAT DOESN'T BELONG TO THAT CATEGORY RIGHT THERE!You also did not address the fact that the new border is also still metal, or that the permanent is still called an artifact.
>Take out a wheel because it goes to the bottom on my library instead of graveyard so it doesn't really help my deck>Replace it with a GC tutor>Deck goes from a "3 but really a 4" to a hard 3.Commander salt is so dumb.
>>97424187All the brackets salt stuff is dumb because it's made up.
>>97423748Proliferate agrees
I wonder if the feet elf would work in my Tyvar deck
>>97423748This is timmies first attempt at reanimation. This is absolutely dogshit. If you think this is good, stop playing magic
>>97424269Are proliferate decks fun? I was thinking of getting counter intelligence.
>>97424318I can easily sac enough thing each turn to get enough many oil counters on it, so I don't see how its that bad.
>>97424367counter intelligence is a t3 precon and has good reprints and original cards. I would recommend you get it.you can play it unchanged and decide what you think of it. it's kind of an uncommon color combo for proliferate, usually it's UG+
>>97424318Isn't it pretty decent in a grindy deck like Glissa that also sacs a ton of eggs?
/a/ has spoken>>>/a/285488065>>>/a/285488065>>>/a/285488065
>>97424525I-I KNEEL
>>97424525I mean what sensible person wouldn't hate UB? Who wants an advertisement for some gay shit like doctor who in their game?
It's over...
>>97424667The sooner it "wins" and you all fuck off the better.
>>97424525>If you play green, here are some extra counters. On everything.>If you cheated a big stompy onto the field, here's life for your white triggers for your green triggers for your white triggers.>If there's no blue player with interaction at the table, you win.3 CMC and an anime reference. Thanks wizards.
>>97424525Funny how asians are literally the only ones referencing mtg in their own ip kekw>also i LOVE UB
>>97424722Dont worry baby boy mayael's aria is banned in bracket 2 because it's a two card game ender with a 20+ power creature gavin says you're welcome
>>97424723Well Progenitus was and still kino
>>97424525promoting your own post is cringe.
>>97420034>"This Didn't Happen, By The Way" editionCorrect OP image
>>97424525>/a/People still watch anime in 2026?
>>97423537Stop being a dumb faggot
>>97423678I like old borders in general because they actually look like pages from a spell book that you assembled to battle with. New borders are just generic.
>>97424996new cards have this deranged contemporary marketing logic of "erm well players don't like being reminded that they're using a card rather than just doing the thing depicted on the card, people like being immersed in the action" or some other stupid bullshit. hence why everything's borderless full art because, uh, its like im really in that Aetherdrift raceway when i dont have those pesky frames on the sides.
Talk me out of buying one
i think this is the worst looking magic card of the decade
>>97425016To be fair, borderless and full art can be really cool to show off really nice pieces and do things atypical of the more confined art-space.That said I completely agree marketing has driven a lot of the changes (at least those not driven by readability, which is another factor in marketing) and resulted in a number of cards just pasted to the edges of the card just for the sake of being more expensive treatments.I'd like if more cards had unique thematic borders for promos and special treatments. While I got them because I thought they looked better than the standard cards, the really dark land treatments from EoE and some from the new Tarkir are fairly meh on account of the boring border (and lack thereof) and the Mystic Archive manga cards from Strixhaven would have been criminal rather than just disappointing if they were supposed to be elevated from cheaper treatments by a single fucking shiny textbox.
>>97420034New coomette just arrived
>>97425302No one cares
>>97425348I care that's why I posted it
>>97425374You didn't post it. Show it off.
>discover there's a game store literally around the corner from my new house>commander every Saturday at 1:30pm>no idea what the local scene is like>I am a spergTrapped between wanting to show up and find out what it's like and being afraid that I'll just wallflower and then walk out embarrassed.
I want to make her for more casual tables, and/or deck t olend new players. Probably just a deck of efficient token makers and living weapon cards. thoughts?
I think the deck is ready for a competitive yet comfy pod.What do you guys think?
Anyone else use this in almost every 3+ color deck?>ramps your for two of any color when it untapsThat alone makes it worth it.
>>97425137Not so fast.
>>97425137Especially a shame given how cute his main set art is.
>>97425084>Check Oracle>Doesn't say goblin creature, just goblinSo, can you use this to protect kindred enchantments with this from white removal?
>>97425455give your balls a tug and take the plunge the worst you'll get is a few looks if you don't sperg out.
>>97425483Wait, just reread this card. It's pretty crazy. Whenever any token enters, you can have any other target player, including yourself, creat a copy of that token. So if you cast wedding ring and give a token to your opponent, you can creat another wedding ring on yourself so you would trigger two draws every time your opponent draws.
>>97425583Not even close
>>97425697Yeah it'd pretty bonkers for card draw, I'm just not sure what I can do in mono W with a draw/utuility commander to close out games. I guess putting toys on Lucy to have a voltron sub theme?
>>97425724any control finisher. your main theme is already tokens, so in this case moonshaker is pretty obvious.illustrious wanderglyph is unfortunately a must as the only consistent per turn token maker. you should probably also try and look at some of darien's tech.
>>97420034>TQPeople assuming I build meta decks based on my commanders, or really just net/meta decking period.>nekusar group hug>gets kos'd 3 times by the same player>ask why>"I know what that deck does"No, you don't>Play Zur pillowfort deck>gets kos'd once>cast again and get one attack off to give him diplomatic immunity>same guy toxic deluges for just enough to kill zur and a couple other creaturesI just want my dinkie tutor engine>same guy plays atraxa infect and 4 color omnath landfall with all the meta cardsGreat guy, but fuck me I hate playing with him
What do you think of my art for my UB Good Burger commander-Ed, Sauce Savant
>>97425784Same as we did last time you posted it
>>97425763If you run OG Zur you're asking to get picked on.
>>97420233The amount of times my board or spells have been targetted by one specific player in our play group when other people have huge boardstates and I'm trying to deal with them is baffling to me. I'm very much the type of player to say "you should remove/counter my stuff" when that is the case, and very kuch accept when completely reasonable things of mine are removed/countered. But this one dude counters everything from boardwipes that don't affect him to my commander when I have no boardstate at all, to removal cards targetting issues. It's not just me either, and when any of us try to talk with him about it he just says "Well, it's already cast, to targets declared" and just have to shake our head in disbelief.
>>97425790Imagine fearing old Zur in 2026
>>97425789I added in the background and floating sauce since then. I think this is the final art I'm going with for the proxy.
>>97425796It's an esper deck that can tutor necropotence or all kinds of bullshit. OG Kaalia still gets the name treatment too, despite being even worse.
>>97425790No, you're asking to have someone unfamilar with your deck ask you what the deck does. If people are too up their own ass thinking they know what everyones deck is by their commanders cause they think everyone must follow meta trends, that is, in my mind, a point against them as a player and a person.>play zur turn 4 cause no ramp>turn 5 attack and get an aura that draws me a card on cd, or protection>turn 6 do the same>turn 7 double strike, pillowfort, or eidolon of countless battles>turn 8...Etc etc, it's slow as fuck
>>97423678I proxy purely to have all brown artifact borders
Is she good at normal commander? I know she's really strong on duel, if anyone has built her, could you share a list or photo?
>>97425863She's good at knocking one guy out of the game extremely early, and quite bad at winning games.
>>97425863She's the queen of monogreen for a reason
>>97423869Games from 2003 objectively had better anti-aliasing than current games because deferred rendering made it much harder for supersampling to be applied.
>>97425863Like the other anon said, she's very explosive but dies on the back swing typically
Holy fucking bombshellHasbro CEO has been sued by investors in a lawsuit that not only acknowledges the secondary market but specifically alleges a duty not to devalue Magic cards by printing too many sets per year
>>97420073> when you board wipe so hard it becomes a table wipe
>>97425863Of all the canonical prostitutes depicted on Magic cards, she's definitely the strongest.
>>97425953It truly is that strong
Does anyone own any of the gamegenic 100+ XL products? or even the stronghold 200+ deck boxes? On their website it looks like they all have the same size card holder area.It seems like most decent deck boxes these days are all made for commander so I was hoping someone would be able to tell me what 75 double sleeved cards looks like in one before I order one.I want a nice box for weekly locals, but I play 60 card formats. Any help would be great.
>>97426023Jesus anon, I know the stereotypes are that Magic players are fat but 100 XL!?
>>97425964Unironically a wincon with the introduction of plot
>>97426046It has always been a wincon with suspend as well as several other things.
>see good card for my deck>”the ring tempts you”Aaaand... Wah-lah! I have lost interest because I am not going to keep track of that shit.
>>97426045I want to be able to fit a little dice box inside a sidekick with sideboard + tokens if I can, and I figure commander players would be most likely to be familiar with these gamegenic boxes
>TQ>Vandal blast the table. Voltron player was huge. Another person has the great henge out. One guy had roaming throne.>Roaming throne player gets quite irate about it.>Keeps attacking me with a 4/4 double strike flier >3 turns in a row for no reason.>I'm quite literally not the threat. There is a guy with lethal on everyone if he can find his card to give his shit breakthrough. I'm just durdling making token chump blockers for him every turn >Need to deal with the threat>I got a sac engine and draw into my gravepact, well I can deal with the threat.>Cast it.>Guy who keeps attacking me counters it.>Just look at him and ask why, if the other guy gets his trample or flying enabler we are all dead.>You killed my roaming throne and I'm not going to lose my other creature.>Lost it. Grabbed my deck and boxed it up>"Why are you scooping?">"I'm not wasting my time with a dipshit with no threat assessment.">"Well fuck you faggot, run protection.">LeaveIt's always a bad experience when you can't keep your anger in check.
>>97426086lmao imagine being this much of a bitch
>>97426086its time we start crashing out on dipshits again as a people.
>>97426086kwab
Scoopy doesn't know that his pod and meDo it at my table every FridayThey tell him they’re at work but they don’t goStill they’re on their asses and scoopy doesn't knowOh, scoopy doesn't knowSo don't tell scoopy
>>97425863She's extremely strong but most players blow their load with her turn 3-4 and then durdle because they have no way to cycle lands and reliably get her back up to the magic 21 nor do they include enough protection to stop her from being blasted back to the command zone as the rest of the table finds blockers and removal.If you get a God hand where you start with boots and protection and land recursion and an additional land enabler she can rapidly end the game, but Tifa needs all 4 of those pieces on the board to do so and atm there just isn't enough repeatable mono green haste enablers/land recursion/additional land sources to fill up the deck with. Icetill is super powerful with her because it's tutorable and fulfills 2/4 of her requirements singlehandedly but it currently is one of a kind. Given how insipid their designing has come I don't doubt Tifa will grow in power over time as WOTC continues to print FIRE design landfall shit like Icetill, but by that time I imagine Tifa herself will also be replaced by another doubler who is objectively better (probably with built in haste and protection to mitigate 50% of her biggest problems).
>>97424723Maybe if wizards did a better job creating and expanding a likeable IP they wouldn't have to rely on other companies who have to sell their cards for them.
>>97426064This but "You become the monarch". So many great cards for my decks are locked behind this tedious fucking bullshit.
>>97426206Monarch only works if you're passing a physical object around the table to represent who has it. Otherwise everyone forgets it and it turns into a circus when someone remembers and you have retroactively trace back to where it should be.
>>97426206Don't get hit.
>>97420073I mean, if Worldfire ever resolves the game should be over
>>97426248Exactly. Which is what several people said to the person. I had an Emrakul coming out right after it. The game was over.They just kneejerked over "MLD"
>>97426245I don't even give a shit about the creating token part of it. I'm perfectly content with it being able to become a copy itself. I just don't want to start up the monarch circle jerk that comes with it. My friend pod has agreed unless someone has a monarch deck we just ignore the "if you're the monarch" part of these cards, but people at my fnm are sweats who love the card draw so I have to take it out of my deck when I play there (which happens less and less, for that exact and many other reasons).
>>97426253>Emrakul>WorldfireLove doing that with Jhoira. I don't even care if I win at that point. Setting a time bomb on the table is so fun
Please God don't let her be ninjitsu slop
>>97423509>according to archidekt theyre only bracket 2if they consistently outperform other bracket 2 decks they are probably not bracket 2
Does Dreadhorde Arcanist see cEDH play?
>>97423509What turn do they consistently win by? Bracket 2 expects turn 8 or later
>>97426319Granted. She's sneak slop sike bitch it's a ninja turtles pile
>>97424039that kind of makes me want to create a pure stax controll deck with pic related being the only "wincon"
>put my commander in the gy>exile them to escape out a titan>put my commander back in the command zoneIf you dont think thats the coolest shit im going to fucking kill you
>>97426464I do this with this bad boy sometimes. Escape is cancer kino.
>>97426465Based and redpilled
>>97426464Same but for delve.
>>97426475Post your delvefu now or else the council will cut off your balls and stick you in a cock flattener.
>>97420073That sore loser is a newfag that doesnt even know that worldfire was once banned and then unbanned by the RC for a very good reason (it isnt actually mld in practice)
I had a nightmare I was playing commander>turn 2 and 3 I tap out to play single thing>turn 4 I have 2 non-land permanents and 5 lands>my opponent has like 10 of both>my hand is full of stupid pet cards so I don't have (it) a board wipethink I'm having ptsd from FIRE design. gotta add some more wipes to my decks
>>97423341God forbid I'm trying to win by eliminating players via combat
>>97423341attractionbros??
>>97426369>>97426387No game changers, extra turns but it doesn't chain them, one infinite I can do on turn 5 if I have a tutor in my opening hand but it's 3 pieces.
>>97426719New attraction tech just dropped
>>97425724>Yeah it'd pretty bonkers for card drawNah not really. It's a worse caretaker's talent if you're using it for card draw because it cost more and you have to give your opponent something. It really good because you are able to make strong tokens.
>>97426751nice
TQ (sort of)>friend convinces me to go play with him at the lgs for the first time>I've picked up some cards and accessories from there before but not much>shy, awkward, autistic, nobody there knows me>waiting for friend to show up so we can play together, don't want to play with strangers alone>it's packed inside>people and store owner keep shooting me weird glances, I think some of them are talking about me >friend texts to say he's not going to be coming after all>decide to leave>store owner asks to check my bag on the way out and gives me a weird lookNever been back there since. Now I just buy cards and accessories online because it's too awkward to go back there.
>>97426751You're on to something here
>>97426751>only one legal attraction that can claim the prize >outside of his colorPAIN
>>97426857>Viashino, Naga, Cephalid, ShamanWe can't have that>GamerWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>97426880Gamers are the most oppressed creature type
>>97425677I haven’t played EDH with anyone I wasn’t willing to have stay over for the night in five years. How do you even start a game with randoms?
>>97426757Nta but if my opponent makes a 1/1 on their turn and I give that to another opponent for card draw... Yeah that's kinda worth it. On my turn I can also make a 1/1 to give to an opponent and draw a card, on TOP of caretakers talent. Also you just have to remove her if you want to clone anything big unless you want that player having it too
>>97426920"got room for a fourth/can I join? i have this/these deck/s"its actually that simple
>>97426920assume the position
>>97426935Well, I guess I can give it the old college try. Here’s hoping that I don’t get gatekept by my shitty French.
How does this work with commander creatures?
>>97427015The command zone is not the exile zone, so it does nothing to commanders unless someone chooses to let it go to exile for whatever reason.
>>97427015opponent can take the exile commander from exile to the command zone so you would have no creatures with hit counters to turn into cards+treasure
>>97426658My dreams are never so specific but I did also have a commander nightmare where I was sitting down to a retarded 6+person pod but my decks were all mixed up and the lighting was bad so I couldn't tell the sleeves apart and some of the cards were unsleeved. Once it got to me and I thought I finally had a deck picked I drew my hand and the cards were all in the wrong colors for the commander so I had to repeat the process.
>>97427099lmao
So this is reverse devoid
>>97427309Interesting collection of decks. Any favorites or standouts in particular?
>playing shitty 2 deck>at 10 life>have saruman, 6 lands, and a signet>see double opponents vivi and another opponents sakashima on the stack, theoretical duplication>have 3 vivi’s >gets to my turn>thousand year storm, dark rit, seething song, etc>steal the win from my opponents>’wow, that deck is not a 2’
>>97427429My oldest is Narset, but my favorite is by far Indoraptor
>>97426191Oh hey your that retard who got btfo on license agreements because you said Hasbro had to go “hat in hand” to more profitable companies, and then it turned out all the companies you names were only valued at a fraction of Hasbro’s valuation lol
>>97427569NTA but do you unironically think it's only le one guy who's said that DFT and FIN released back to back
>>97427589>NTASure. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.And I know it’s the same guy because it’s such unique misapprehension. His entire thesis was that a license agreement is an arrangement where a weaker company begs a stronger company to piggyback off their success. What the fuck he thinks the stronger company gets out of a deal like that I don’t know. But you can see the exact same logic in that post where he’s saying WotC can’t sell cards themselves and need another company’s IP to do it.It is quite possibly one of the most retarded takes ever posted to this general.For example, Hasbro is valued at around $12 Billion and the entire Tolkien Estate including the residuals from the fucking movies amounts to $500 Million>DFT and FIN released back to backOkay. And? Aetherdrift isn’t the reason UB exists.
>>97427557Nice, burn decks are cool. I've been considering building a rakdos deck since I want to avoid doing more 3 color decks and have a ton of good cards for one lying around but I've been thinking about leaning into some of theft/reanimator stuff
>>97427628>I know it’s the same guy because it’s such unique misapprehension. You are incorrect because I myself have said it before and have seen it said elsewhere. Not even going to bother reading the rest because it's based on a retarded hypothesis and you think that it's some guy you got in an internet argument about licensing with.>Aetherdrift isn’t the reason UB existsYeah no shit but it's a great example of how utterly unappealing Magic's current setting is. DFT is the apex of how aimless and bland Magic has become as an IP, and it was immediately followed by the best selling set in the history of the game using someone else's characters. The second best selling set is ALSO UB. You can cope and seethe all you want but nobody gives a shit about Loot.
>>97427674>You are incorrect because I myself have said it before and have seen it said elsewhereCool, confirmed you are him and trying to make your own position less retarded by claiming youre not the only one to hold it.That was easier than I expected.
>>97427784
>>97427674>You are incorrect because I myself have said it before and have seen it said elsewhere>my source is that myself and other retards have said this horribly incorrect thingholeh moleh
>>97427801Well I know for a fact that I am not the guy he's referring to because I've literally never said anything along the lines of >>97427569 and I'm simply pointing out he's a mongoloid for thinking the average person prefers picrel to fucking Lord of the Rings The "and other retards" is the important part there btw
>>97426739That sounds ok on paper. Maybe cut the tutors if they keep bitching
>>97427845You would be motivated to lie
>>97427926Motivate your tongue across my nuts
>>97426233how the fuck are people forgetting an extra card draw every turn?
>hyped as fuck for weeks>disappeared within dayswhat went wrong?
>>97426751making so many rabbits with this card
>>97427845>I've literally never said anything along the lines ofSo do you and other people say the same thing as that "other" anon or do you not?
>>97425817Anon, a repeatable tutor is automatically a worthy kill target. There's no two ways about it. Plenty of people already take issue with tutors in EDH in general, so you've already declared yourself a target on-sight to a sizable subset of players. Whatever your feeling of that subset is aside, you can't really avoid the connotations that come with certain kinds of effects.
>>97427987The same thing being
>>97427966Such is the life of 90% of gimmick commanders
>>97420034>What's the worst experience you ever had playing Commander?Two players in the pod with discard decks, both with cards that make you sacrifice permanents. Turns very quickly turned into "draw, discard that card, pass" because we didn't even have lands anymore at that point
>>97427966No one can play him because the guy who is trying to buy ever lobster card in existence.
>>97427959You'd be surprised (or not) to learn just how bad the average player is at Magic
>>97427569I love seeing this dude pop up in every thread thinking he wins arguments with his 5 seconds of google research into the topic. Absolutely hilarious
>>97425483>5 mana to start drawing (maybe) 1 card per turnThis card is beyond awful. White doesnt need this.
>>97428150Are we forgetting there are 4 turns in a normal turn cycle?Are we also ignoring the "whenever a token enters" doesn't have to be your token? So congratulations, your opponent's smothering tithe is now giving you treasures.
Serra's Protection2WInstantAll permanents you control phase out. Note your life total at the time this spell resolves.You cannot lose the game or pay life until your next turn. At the cleanup step before your next turn, if your life total is less than the listed amount, it becomes the listed amount.Exile Serra's Protection.Tolarian Rift1UInstantKicker 5Exile target nonland permanent you don't control, or all nonland permanents you don't control if this spell was kicked, with 2 time counters. It gains suspend if it didn't have it.Phyrexian Citadel3BBBTribal Artifact - PhyrexianYou may look at the top card of your library.You may play the top card of your library. If you cast a spell this way, sacrifice a permanent and pay the difference of mana values in life instead of paying its mana cost.T, Sacrifice ten nonland permanents, pay X life: Each opponent loses X life.Rathi Breacher1RCreature - Human ShamanEach nonland card in your graveyard has flashback, with a flashback cost equal to its mana cost.Whenever you cast a spell from your graveyard, you take 1 damage, and creatures you control get +1/-1 until end of turn.During the end step, exile Rathi Breacher.0/2Thelonite Titan4GGCreature - Giant Fungus DruidTrampleAt the start of your upkeep, when Thelonian Titan enters, and whenever it attacks, put a spore counter on it and proliferate.Remove 2 spore counters from Thelonian Titan: Choose 1:*Put a Forest into play from your library.*Create 2 1/1 Saproling tokens.*Create 2 1/1 Squirrel tokens.6/6
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AAvX-IVn9I0?feature=shareThis is what people think of you faggots
>>97428213No im not forgetting anything anon.
Wanted to build tatsunari for a while but I wasn't sure if I should just go enchantress/aristocrats or try the mutate build
>>97425817If you’re going to build around the commander, accept that people are going to assume that you did so. If you want to build something unique that doesn’t rely on the commander the way that most people expect, build it so that it functions even if the commander isn’t allowed to stick on board.
>>97428269I'm sorry, but if someone went through the effort to make every card in his deck a titty proxy, especially a hand-drawn titty proxy, I have nothing but respect for them.
>>97426206mechanicsmaxxing chads we need to run more perpetual triggers and state-checksex:> Day/Night> Monarchsoft checks> Ascend> Delirium> Phasing> cum upkeepWhat am I missing? I want to drive certain tables insane but not just with "do you pay one?" effects but permanent rules changes
>>97428269>Caring about what other people think about you instead of just having funShiggy diggy. You are free to scoop at any time
>go to lgs to pick up my lorwyn box>only value card is Formidable Speaker>got some gobbos too, neat stuff>buy a collector booster to top it off>bitterbloom tender>blood crypt>foil blood cryptToday was a good day. Gonna build a faerie deck in the future.
>>97420034>TQI will never not be mad.>Playing back in 2014 days>Zur the Enchanter>Faggot reads Zur>Lets him attack>Sees I'm going to Diplomatic Immunity>Counterspell>>It's not cast.>"It doesn't matter, it goes on the stack">>Zur puts it directly on the battlefield.>"It doesn't matter." (Grabs my card without permission and starts motioning it slowly) "It goes oooon the staaack.">>Give me my card and read Zur.>"Do you want to get a judge over here?">>Yes, moron.>(Calls shopkeeper over) "Hey can you counter a spell that's put on the stack?">(Shopkeep:) Yeah>>That's not what's happening though. Zur says you put it directly on the battlefield. It's not cast.>(Shopkeep:) "Look man I'm not a judge so I don't know."I have never hated someone with all of my heart as quickly as that faggot.I hope that fat fuck is dead. I would tell that to his face if I ever saw him, but that shop closed down a few years later.
>>97428852I wish I could be that confidently retarded.
>>97428852Zur decks were the Ur-Dragon of those days.
>>97426369theyre probably bracket 3, but they dont use any game changers>>97426387usually turn 8+the earliest ive ever won was turn 6 because i drew into a 4 card combo and everyone was tapped out
since you seem to be responding>>97423509it's entirely possible your meta is just retarded and their decks are actually bracket 1>>97423696teysa can be, but it doesn't sound like it.>>97428927was it a combo combo, or some stuff that synergystically ended up killing people?it sounds like you are actually in b2, do the other players use precons occasionally? if/when they do, are the results any different? as in do games go any faster/more interaction happens/etc
>>97428995>was it a combo combo, or some stuff that synergystically ended up killing people?picture related + any creature i can sac/revive + any source that can deal 1 damage when a creature dies>pitiless plunderer on the field with teysa (commander)>every time a creature dies i get 2 treasures>2 treasures is enough to play chthonian nightmare which revives a 3 mana creature>nightmare goes back into my hand, can keep playing it infinitely>every time a creature dies everyone takes 1 damageso in total it required 5 different cards to pull off, and there are zero tutors in my decks>it sounds like you are actually in b2, do the other players use precons occasionally?theyre building their own decks, not usually using precons...
>>97428811>cracked a collector box>foil showcase Squelcher, foil DFC Steam Vents, nonfoil DFC Overgrown Tomb, foil anime MoonshadowThe annoying thing is that I specifically wanted a NONFOIL DFC Steam Vents, but the packs chose to mock me.
>open a blue board on 4chan.org>where posting porn will get you banned>4chan.org is hosting advertisements of an anime character eating out an anime asshole>on blue boards>this is fine
>>97429124works on ny machine
>>97429086fairest orzhov loopyour pod sounds like bitches that run no interaction what else is in the deck that they complain about
>>97426719It offends me that attractions can be commander legal, but we don't have commander legal contraptions.
>>97429124>>>/vip/ if you care so much. The fuck is this post going to do or mean in an EDH thread?This isn't some gay ass discord general channel you just post whatever in. I hate you newfags.
>>97429203Of the two of these posts, yours is much worse anon.
>>97429124>advertisements>willingly allowing ads anywhere on any webpageIt's been like 20 years since I let this happen. Anytime any get through I immediately filter them out
>>97429169>what else is in the deck that they complain aboutthey really hate grave pact while i have teysa outotherwise they just hate dying to the death ping damagetheres some proxies in here because im still experimenting with the deckdo you think this is too strong?
>>97429124Install Brave
Will WOTC ever make a "pips matter" set? Either all mono-colored cards with only mana pips in the casting cost, or also have mutli-colored cards in it, but still no 1,2,3,4 etc. in the mana cost.
>>97429556Literally never because they regard having to generate specific colors of mana to make casting more difficult???? Maybe if they reprint OG dual lands into standard lmaooo
>>97427569>muh valuation Means literally nothing nowadays. AI companies are losing money hand over fist and have utterly failed to prove the value of AI. Currently valued in the trillions. Bitcoin has no practical application and has totally failed to become anything but a currency for people trying to evade regulated currencies. Regularly surges past $100,000 dollars. 90% of market valuation has no correlation with the actual reality of the market itself.You kept making up bullshit because you don't understand how the reality actually works and I laughed and stopped talking to you because it's clear you're a massive retard (as evidenced by the fact you think the 4-5 other anons in the thread who laughed at you are me) whose probably some 1st year business student with no actual real world experience or money.Glad to know I pissed you off so much you're sitting here thinking about me literal days after I engaged in a dumb internet argument with you. Thanks for acknowledging that even you think I won the debate (which I did) because winners don't think about losers, same way I didn't think about you for a second after I laughed and said no more (You)s, same way I won't even read let alone reply to your reply to this post and won't be giving you any more (You)s even if you beg for my appearance next thread like you did this one.Have a good weekend fren, hopefully you don't lose too much sleep over all the internet arguments you lost this week.
>Cotton Eyed JoeRGSummon LegendAs Cotton Eyed Joe enters the battlefield, permanents named 'Wedding Ring' are exiled, and permanents with that name can't enter the battlefield. t: Put an egg counter on target player's commander, this counter persists through all zones. As Cotton eyed joe leaves the battlefield, for each commander with an egg counter, create X 1/1 offspring tokens that are a copy of that creature, except they aren't legendary.
>>97427966Turns out artifacts are actually a boring as hell one note decktype, especially in a deck with no Blue, and that Zoidberg required too much set up to make a viable threat at the table and is too boring to just be a smol bean sitting in the corner playing solitaire with yourself.
Fellas, should I go bant or esper for a control deck?
>>97427966Literally happens every release cycle now. Stop watching Magic youtubers. Even the ones that aren't directly paid by WotC have a vested interest in getting people excited for the product they made a career on
>>97429571>Literally never because they regard having to generate specific colors of mana to make casting more difficult????That's the whole point. Have a set where going mono-colored gives you more and more power at that cost. Might be fun, and certainly would play different in sealed events. In EDH and standard the cards would add some variety for sure. Mono-colored decks would be more viable and decks going multicolored would really have to make some choices on mana base and casting cost/curve with their cards.
>>97428852>>"It doesn't matter." (Grabs my card without permission and starts motioning it slowly) "It goes oooon the staaack."I had an obese smuglord do this almost verbatim to me a few years ago too. You'd think players would be more humble when it comes to rules when everyone has a phone nowadays.
>>97429667>hm yes we would like to make an atrocious limited environment where we either have to print absurd amounts of color fixing or reprint the most expensive lands in the game
>>97429654esper because black can control people better than green via killing their stuff
>>97429182Fucking preach, brother. I have an attractions deck, and wanna build a contraptions deck too but I don't like using banned cards
>>97429679>GUIZ PLZ THINK ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE DEAD FORMATS
>>97420034>TQ>good friend recently got into magic>invites me to play with him and some other casual acquaintances on TTS>he'd been playing with them for a bit and learning from them>had been tuning a $30 budget angel/human tribal deck but hadn't got a chance to play it yet>pop in with that deck>did not realize they treated TTS as an excuse to play functionally budgetless>see cradle, great henge, swat, a couple of og duals, roaming throne, plenty of other bullshit>not even cedh, normal battlecruiser midrange shit, just with complete lack of restraint >don't even get knocked out early because nobody swings with their massively scaling boards>get to sit there and jerk off for an hour squeezing out small pieces of lifegain and counters where i can and ultimately going nowhere>>97429556That's the whole point of devotion as a mechanic but I'd like to see more of it too
>>97429670>when everyone has a phone nowadays.yet more proof that most mtg players are actually poor and don't have phones, evidenced by their love of proxies and lack of rules knowledge
>>97429556A set with no generic costs would be a fun gimmick set, but I'm not sure they do gimmick sets anymore. I think the last one was Alara Reborn where every card was gold.
>>97429735the last non UB non gimmick set was MOM
>>97428852>Grabs my card without permission and starts motioning it slowlyok i know you're in the right here and that other guy is an idiot but don't be this much of an autist about other people touching your game pieces
>>97429182sorry bro. Prime time will be unbanned, wishboards will be standardized, and hybrid rule will be changed before you get your acorn cards
>>97429203> newfag>when I've been here since 2020Lol. Lmao
>>97429741Really? What was MoM's design gimmick?
>>97429654>should I make a control deck in the control colors or not in the control colors?Difficult one.
>>97429746>exiles your card>"Oh, looks like that one is gone for the rest of the game, here Anon-">reaches over with my sore covered hand and snatches up your card with my greasy fingers replete with uncut yellow fingernails>"-let me just put thaaaaaaat-">grabs your deck box with my squeezing tard grip and yanks it open>"-away for yoooooou.">crams your game piece inside
>>97429809doesnt work, ashiok only works on "spells and abilities YOUR OPPONENTS CONTROL" they dont control mornsong aria
>>97429699Yeah such a dead format that they just released a new product for it despite cutting draft boosters like 2 years ago.It's okay to not play something yourself but you HAVE to overcome your autistic assumption that everyone thinks and lives the same way you do.
>>97429715>That's the whole point of devotion as a mechanic but I'd like to see more of it tooYeah. Just go all in on it with a set. It would play different, more like older school magic where you can keep the manabase simple, and concentrate on other things. I'd like to see what powerful cards they could come up with if they even made cards up to 7-8 all one color pip. They would have to be pretty powerful and would spice things up.
>>97429830Cool! Can I see the sales numbers?
>>97429838Yeah bud just become a Hasbro board member. I believe in you.
>>97429821
>>97429858Ritual poster.
>>97429850So just to get this straight: you're refuting my claim a format is dead by citing the existence of a product you don't even have the sales numbers for?
>>97429890we refute UWfag claims that UW is good by citing the existence of UB that we don't have the sales numbers for, yes
>>97429890>"REEEEEE I DON'T PLAY LIMITED SO IT'S DEAD!!!">weird that they would introduce a new product for a dead format just 2 years after axing the last product for it then">"REEEEEE SHOW ME SALES NUMBERS THAT I KNOW NO ONE HAS ACCESS TO!!! CHECKMATE!!!!! LOOK AT THE SMUG CARTOON CHILD!!!!"Pedo.
>>97429788>2020>not a newfagNTA but you're nowhere close to being not a newfag. This isn't even old enough to have been around for the day of the split of 4chan/channel for ad reasons, which seems to be the topic at hand. 5 years is nothing, you've probably never even seen or posted a board -tan.
>>97425302sharing is caring
> you are now aware shocks are going to be printed until they are the same cost of a scryland
>>97429964Honestly, good, They should do the same thing with fetches
>>97429964>you are now aware that shocks are only printed when they comprise the bulk of the value in the rare slot of a set meaning they will actually not go down despite total worldwide supply
>>97429809>not in the control colors?Anything in UWx is control colors.
>>97429964They quite literally are not, Hasbro just got hit by a lawsuit by its own investors for printing too many sets and devaluing cards on the secondary market
>>97429964I fucking hope so.
>>97429715???This is your worst experience? Playing a scrappy budget deck at a lower power level than the rest of the table? Without even getting knocked out early?
>>97429987>for printing too many sets and devaluing cards on the secondary marketWhy would hasbro investors give a shit about about the secondary market? They don't get any money from the secondary market. They get money from people buying product put out by hasbro, which they do with chase cards getting people to buy.If you want pull shit out of your ass, understand how shit works first.
>>97429770Technically speaking, there's no silver border or acorns on the contraptions themselves, so if they made a legal card that assembled them, they'd all be clear.
>>97429987Tell me you believe everything you read on 4chan without doing any additional research without telling me.Fun fact the word gullible is printed in the flavor text of your sol ring too.
>>97429981>when they comprise the bulk of the value in the rare slot of a setwelp, glad that's over!
>>97430000>Why would hasbro investors give a shit about about the secondary market?Because $100 cards are the reason people crack packs, fuckwitWhy the fuck do you think Hasbro prints serialized cards or shit like the Soul Stone?>If you want pull shit out of your ass, understand how shit works first.Faggot lawsuits are public documents you can fucking read the allegations for yourself. Imagine getting fucking mad at someone conveying information to you. If only there was some sort of phrase or idiom for how stupid that is.>>97430008Didn't read it on 4chan you fucking idiot, it's being reported by news outlets.https://www.polygon.com/mtg-hasbro-2026-lawsuit-magic-card-overproduction/
>>97430015reminder that GRN/RNA shocks started out cheap just like ECL and are now currently double they were worth then, shocklands always having new art when they get reprinted is key
>>97430023>Two idiots think they were defrauded.>Filling a complaint means it has any actual grounds and will go anywhere,I didn't need to you prove you were stupid more than you already did, but by god you pulled it off.Also, this has literally 0 to do with the secondary market. It has to do with them feeling they were mislead with the value of their stocks when hasbro bought millions of their own shares back.You are a retard, and likely brown. Don't respond. I won't be responding to anymore of your stupidity and seethe.
>>97430023>overproductionCommunists aren't people
>>97430023come back when rudy from alphainvestments chimes in on it
>>97430023>The suit establishes Sept. 2021 to Oct. 2023 as the “relevant period” in question. This whole thing reads like it's barely even about actual production of cards but actually about legal language Hasbro used during its meetings with shareholders. And some screwy business where Hasbro bought some of its own shares for a profit.
>>97430052>>Two idiots think they were defrauded.Because they're suing as shareholders other shareholders could join. Early days yet.>>97430052>>Filling a complaint means it has any actual grounds and will go anywhere,Okay? Wasn't about the merits of the argument. Hasbro are still not going to print shocklands into the dirt with shareholders snapping at them for overprinting 4 fucking years ago. Litigation itself can be a deterrent even if any particular claim is unsuccessful.>Also, this has literally 0 to do with the secondary market. https://www.golocalprov.com/business/hasbro-ceo-cocks-and-execs-sued-for-alleged-securities-violations>“Given the nature of Magic’s secondary market, the rate at which new Magic card sets are printed and sold directly impacts the value of existing Magic cards to collectors. As such, the overprinting of new Magic sets would reduce the value of existing Magic sets. Although analysts and investors consistently inquired as to whether the Company was in fact overprinting Magic sets, the Individual Defendants repeatedly denied such speculation,” the lawsuit maintains.Literally a word for word quote from the lawsuit.Can you fuck off and kill yourself now?
>>97429992It's a long story and I didn't convey it well
>>97430115>he still hasn't repliedFucking devastating.
>>97429679Or just... reward people for building monocolor?
>>97430190The reason limited is designed around 2 colors is because it is difficult to build monocolor decks just cracking packs and picking 1 card
Pulling good cards that I actually want to use is the best feeling
>>97430197This didn't happen
>>97430201Kek
>>97430201
>>97430197>win collector booster at prerelease>grub, jace's kid, overgrown tomb, $.30 rare>buy collector booster with store credit>grub, jace's kid (extended art), bloom tender, $.50 rareI'm kinda mad, the store owner even said 'everyone's been pulling above the pack cost'
>>97430247>jace's kidMENTIONED
>>97430261wtf is this I thought the point of them adopting loot was because they couldn't do it
>>97430269Reality Fracture
>>97430247nta but I just stopped after I realised this was happening to me every set for 2 years while all my friends got the money pulls from their boxtrading up has been way more profitable anyway once you become good enough to know what cards will spike
I'm still not sure if this lawsuit is over WotC just printing too many new sets in general (a good thing to complain about), or WotC reprinting old valuable cards too often (actually nonsensical argument given that this company has the worst reprint policy in the industry)
>>97430292yugioh also has the worst reprint policy in the industry
>>97430292>I'm still not sure if this lawsuit is over WotC just printing too many new sets in generalThis one.The suit doesn't name any cards specifically, which it would if they could say "[card] has been reprinted 8 times in the last 4 years and its secondary market value has gone from $X to $Y">>97430300Nah reprinting cards into the dirt is fucking based and what WotC should be doing instead of feeding scalpers so faggots on the board can gamble on line go up
>>97430300I don't see YuGiOh refusing to reprint Ash Blossom.
>>97430300Yu-Gi-Oh is the best in the business when it comes to repriting. It's fucking insane how bad the competition is at it. Even if the game itself went ridiculous years ago the reprinting, especially in the TCG, is miles better than anything else.
>>97430309>Nah reprinting cards into the dirt is fucking basedyou can already do that via proxies, commie
>>97430326>>97430053>commie to reprint cards>commie to not reprint cardsFree-will is wasted on you, you just use it to post bullshit in hopes of starting arguments.
>>97430320ygo is also the best at insane powercreep and that's why they reprint so liberally, so that they can replace your now powercrept chaff
>>97428307Why mutate?
>>97430371Eh YGO is a completely different environment because it only has an eternal format. Powercreep is their version of rotation, a bit like Modern.Whatever your views on it, there's shit like lands that are just not justifiable to be as expensive as they are. They are essential to every deck in every format and WotC very deliberately dripfeeds reprints to keep prices high BECAUSE people need themThat's pretty fucking revolting imo.There is no good reason that precons shouldn't have triomes and shocks and fetches etc etc etc. The fact that they consistently print them with shitty fucking tapped lands is an insult.
>>97430371Is this the cope WotC spoonfed you when explaining why Tropical Island is $800? Because if they could reprint it they would absolutely have to powercreep it?
>>97430396>>97430412Guys don't forget they reprinted Dockside Extortionist on the Avatar bonus sheet! That means they have to powercreep it now that the availability went up! Don't forget the shocklands in EOE and Lorwyn! We have to powercreep those too because now the filthy proletariat can potentially access them!
>>97430396>wotc should print triomes and shocks to the ground because they are essential to every deck!how are they essential? a pod of only precons certainly doesn't "need" them, and cedh doesn't even use themyou just want to win but can't because your opponents have more disposable income than you and you can't come to terms that mtg is a pay to win gameand even if they did print shocks and triomes and fetches to the ground wotc will simply make strictly superior ones with "gain 1 life" on them or whatever and then those are the ones that are going to spike and you'll be kvetching again, ironically keeping triomes and shocks and fetches expensive ensures they don't get powercrept
>>97430371Yeah I agree Magic doesn't do powercree->Looks at Legacy banlistUh-oh...
>>97430430magic's powercreep is still nothing compared to ygo's, the latter is so bad he notably doesn't even contend it
>>97430371Pffft ahahaha
>>97430371Ash Blossom got powercrept? By what? Droll and Lock Bird, an even older card?
>>97430427>how are they essential? a pod of only precons certainly doesn't "need" them,Cool great, I have never even playing in a fucking pod of only precons. That's not the fucking game.>you just want to win but can't because your opponents have more disposable incomeNo objectively dual lands were the most powerful cards ever printed. WotC has pledged not to reprint them and instead they print shittier versions of them, but knowing people want to get as close to the power of the dual lands as possible, these other cards fetch high prices.There simply is no justification for that. People need lands. People should not be forced to run objectively worse lands because WotC is creating artificial scarcity of good ones.Fuck off with your faggot projections about my motives when I spelled out to you why I think what I think.>even if they did print shocks and triomes and fetches to the ground wotc will simply make strictly superior onesAnd they fucking shouldn't, kind of the fucking point here.
>>97430433Well no shit. YGO's powercreep is so bad the community collectively built a format playing only cards from 15 fucking years ago.
>>97430459But enough about Premodern and Prefire!
>>97430468Prefire will take off in ~2030, around ten years after FIRE design, just like how premodern was crearted ten years after scourge, trust
>>97430459Yeah and Magic has a format dedicated to only using affordable cards and now decks in that format are $80 because somehow commons aren't printed eniugh anymore.
>>97430476I'll do my best to not an hero until then
>>97430452>That's not the fucking game.The game is pay to win no matter what format you go to bud, sorry but you'll always be a loserhow about a nice game of chess instead? kek>Fuck off with your faggot projections about my motives when I spelled out to you why I think what I think.oh i know exactly what you think, i'm just telling you that you'll never be taken seriously, because you're a fool that can't accept that card games are pay to win>No objectively dual lands were the most powerful cards ever printedalso thanks for showing that you're yet another tard thinking duals > fetches, no wonder you're a proxyfag lol
>>97430497Aww damn it. It was bait, not mental retardation.
>>97430497>The game is pay to win no matter what format you go to bud, sorry but you'll always be a loser>receive legitimate criticism>cannot refute it>just start bragging about how rich you areYeah sure you are bud. When you lose an argument you don't have to reply
>>97430504it's mental retardation to be a commie yes
>>97430333I'm correct though, arbitrarily dictating supply is classic commie shit
>>97430505>just start bragging about how rich you arei never said i was rich, i just happen to have disposable income and that's clearly a bar too high for you sadly, see how you can't be taken seriously? haha
I wish wizards would stop making additional types for no reason, first it was warlock now it's sorcerer
>>97430513You're embarrassing yourself. You redditors always do this shit where you feel the need to save face because you're not used to being anonymous
>>97430516Hmm. Yes. But have you consider "no."
The most unnecessarily niggardly thing WotC has done with dual lands is not give the Battlebond lands basic land types. Not like they would have seen play in real formats.
>>97430507Bro it's not fun to reply anymore when you make it that obvious.
>>97430518you know what's embarassing though? not being satisfied with proxies because ultimately you want the real authentic thing and the validation it brings but being too poor to afford it and being envious at people who can pfft
>>97430527>only useable in multiplayer (EDH)>don't print then in commander preconsgay as fuck, if you ask me
>>97430533it's always good to point out the obvious thing about commies though
>MFW when I pull Sun Head/Moon Head but not Doran.I am...besieged.
>>97430527>the more lands you can fetch, the better!No.
>>97430543That's ok because this Doran is horrible wokeslop that should never have seen the light of day
>>97430543>druidummm that's cultural appropriation
>>97430574Well now you're saying a bunch of words. What is woke about Doran?
>>97430427I mostly play digital and even I wish they'd print triomes/shocks/fetches to the ground. A big reason why Modern and Legacy are dead is because any influx of new players is stifled by one of either>having to dump a shitload of cash to even have a deck to play with, and then hoping you can find other people who did the same near you (also a prisoner's dilemma issue)>having to navigate the ancient and barely-maintained interface of MTGO, and even if successful you lose out on the social aspect and any satisfaction of physical collectionHigh price of entry is actively detrimental to format health. Literally nobody benefits from it except investorfags treating cardboard like crypto.>>97430452Duals are good but they aren't THAT good. They're strictly better basics though and that shouldn't exist.
>>97430596>A big reason why Modern and Legacy are deadthat is a powercreep issue, not a reprint issueold modern (pre war of the spark) was in a much better spot even though fetches were more or less as expensive then as they are now, the reason cards are expensive is because wotc churned out so much powerful stuff in a few years that upended 8 years of meta (rip jund)
>>97430674Both of these things can be true. MH was a mistake even if it had a ton of cool designs, but look at this and tell me it wouldn't be a turnoff to someone curious about the format.
Does the conventional mana curve (peaks in 2&3 CMC) apply to oddballs like this guy? I feel like he wants a shit ton of 6+ mana spells unlike most decks
>>97430674>not a reprint issueOh thank god it's only powercreep. I'm sold and will now drop $500‐1000 on a deck.
>>97430585It's a manifestation of their bizarre attack on tradition. Same spirit behind Kaya killing Obzedat or Garruk being sunsetted for a swarthy lady. They love humiliating what used to be good and loved. To wotc Doran is just another old White man they have to cut down and make a sniveling mockery of for the sake of "progress."
>>97430746based
>>97430746This didnt happen btw
>>97430758I'd tell him and you to fuck off
>>97430728taste in archetypes is subjective and 2018 modern was just as varied, hilariously that time was marked by incessant calls for twin to be unbanned but now that you can twin again in modern no ones uses it because surprise surprise a turn 4 infinite isn't good enough anymore, even affinity doesn't go ravager inkmoth anymore despite having opal againbtw these prices were around the same prices old modern decks used to run for (remember grixis death's shadow? that was once a ~$900 deck haha), the problem is that the powercreep wotc introduced in 2019 caused so much upheaval and that caused a lot of players to quitnotably, if you're a new player coming into magic, you would never experience the turmoil old players faced back in the day, because such a new player now would basically be paying the same amount of money an old modern player would've spent "in the good old days"
>>97430746But are you sure that Doran doesn't just get cranky and depressed when is Shadowmoor'd? That sounds entirely plausible to me.
>>97430745happy to help and educatealso good for you that you live within your means, i'd laugh at you if you were kvetching about legacy/cedh because you don't have $3k to spend
>>97430758We know it's you Elk.
>>97430863Elk isn't a qt girl
>>97430543Is this guy better than the other Abzan butt tribal commanders? The stat boost looks completely absurd if you manage to get it.
>>97430771That’s literally exactly what’s going on.
>>97430911Having both Dorans in the same deck is absurd. The bonus still increases toughness, after all.
>>97430746Surprisingly based analysis. Thanks anon. If we ever meet I'll buy you a beer and play a game for ante with you.
>>97430873he is a cute diaper boy though
https://moxfield.com/decks/fzNfmjCw6kS2TKptUwwxOwwhat are some obvious cards I'm missing (that aren't 5+ dollars)
>>97430767They should unban Birthing Pod
>>97430953>croppedYou can post the real deal as long as its on topic. This post is on topic because I wish to say that this diaper-wearing youtuber has absolutely shit takes on mana rocks and lands
White Ritual WInstantAdd WWW to your mana pool.White Spirit Guide 2WCreature - Spirit ShamanExile this card from your hand: Add W to your mana pool2/2
>>97430758>jannyniggaz mad that diapee posting is on topic thanks to Elk
>>97431094>while there is still literal porn up in the thread
>>97431110Yeah jans=trans and only shit they can goon to counts as on topic
>>97429964fetches, triomes and bond lands need a reprint.
>>97431086Holy RitualCivic Spirit Guide
>>97429964Noooo my STONKS
>>97430911The only downside is that certain cards like Behind the Scenes and Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa which work wonders with the old Doran or Felothar the Steadfast aren't really compatible with the new Doran's effect.
>>97430197>hot Okoonly card i am using solely due to sexy art
>>97430746Utter mental illness
>>97431083Except it is never on topic
>>97431094based jannie
>>97431340>>97431352>redditroon shows up and immediately starts sucking janny girlcock
Can I copy the sneak casting cost with Azula?
>>97431366No, the cost of casting the spell includes bouncing her, so she will no longer be attacking
>>97431366This is a bad card btw
>>97431409>loses game with Bruvac out>"IT'S BAD"
>>97431413>You lose with this exact one cardYou millfucker are miserable
>>97431409Sneak is going to be a really fucking annoying mechanic. I can't speak for your experience but in my pods taking a couple hits without blocking is really common because you have 40 life and it's usually preferable to maintain a board presence instead of trading 1/1s with each other>turn 3>"erm I swing">no blocks>"tap 2, mill half your library! xDDD"
>>97431446The moment I saw it spoiled, my opinion of it was something like "oh cool now everyone will understand how awful Yuriko is to play against". Having repeatable combat tricks like that is going to suck so goddamned much
>>97431446>playgroup has a mutual agreement to never play any UB, no matter what your opinion on the source product isI cannot tell you how thrilled I am to not have to see this shit.
>>97431409As a graveslurper, I welcome all the targeting
>>97431480Unless your deck is absolutely crammed with recovery or it's in the command zone, there's a pretty decent chance all your best recovery spells are going in the trash>inb4 flashback
>>97431446good, about time people realize combat matters.
>>97431518I shall simply not permit sneaking.
>>97431536just use counterspells like the designers intended, gotta appease those faux intellectual blue players.
>>97431480Same, brother.
>play rule of law>two players freak out>they keep trying to remove it and blindly swinging at me>have to stop them>point out the ur-dragon player is going to untap with ur-dragon and selvala in play for 20+ mana>they don't care because they want to cast more spells>they team up to kill me>the ur-dragon player IMMEDIATELY untaps and kills the tablelol
>>97431366>target opponenti just want more self giga mill
>>97431607this happened btw
doyoulikeponies?
>>97431678neigh
>>97431607this is not bullshit and I believe it
>>97431607>the ur-dragon player IMMEDIATELY untaps and kills the tableI fucking hate how often I see this shit. Krenko is the worst of the worst>"he just creates some goblins who cares?">proceeds to win the next turn>"how was I supposed to know?????????????"GodDAMMIT.
i'm a pig and i eat slop
>>97431749Is that a heckin NINJA RAT IN A JAPAN INSPIRED BACKGROUND? I have never ever seen ninja rats with Japanese theme to them in magic. This is so jarring
>>97431739Yeah it was exhausting. I got bad lock of the draw having a known rager join my game after me. I knew he would get upset over the rule of law, but it was my best out to such a fast board.
>>97431758Ummmmm Marrow Gnawer?
Freya, my beloved
>>97431607Absolutely perplexed why staxfags get surprised and mad when their opponents make stupid choices. Play anything else if you can't handle your opponents being stupid and suicide bombing the plug keeping all the water in the tub. EDH players are stupid and will make bad choices that lose them games, you know this, I know this. So stop playing the poster boy archetype that gets raped when it happens.
>it's a table has all the interaction and everyone is left with a middling board and 1 card in hand episode
>>97431954this but change staxfags for "anyone at all"
>playgroup is taking long as fuck turns and thinking a shit load>realize its my fault because i keep playing daze, mana tithe, and other non blue spell interaction which means they have to worry about me pivoting any game to a blow out>already bought a playset of aven interrupters>getting a hexing squelcher to combo with tibalts trickeryWhatever fuck. If I'm a menace im just gunna become a monster.
>>97431954>rule of law>stax??
>>97431954no, retards should learn to play properly so I can enjoy a pretty cool archetype that is not some form of unga bunga race u fast me cums
"Did Melenia... do this?"
>>97432085If your deck crumples from people playing "improperly," then it's a shitty deck.
>>97432114I can still win, but it makes it so it takes longer and in general it becomes a worse experience for everyone involved.
Month 2 of no playgroup. I don't even remember what my decks felt like...
>>97432114Any deck can lose to the table being retarded. Commander in particular requires sound decision-making, and if your opponents are bad enough you may as well be playing against a random number generator.
>>97431749NINJA TURTLES BAD! TURTLE NINJAS GOOD!
>>97432195UW doesn't get the Ninja Turtle branding sorry
>>97432195yes
>>97432195People were mad about turtles because they don't know anything about it.
You think stax players have it bad? Try playing goad.
>>97432275Goad is the fastest way to get hated off the table and it's not even fucking close. I build this lil dude with the entire gameplan of "put +1/+1 on everyone's creatures, proliferate once every turn" and the game goes 1v3 near instantly. Everyone immediately starts playing/saving all their targeted removal for him every time
>>97432275Goad is so fucking easy and strong. Git good nigga.
>>97432326I've had players kill their own creatures so they didn't have to "be mean"
>>97432342Wait your playgroup lets you pivot goad into straight removal? I wish my goads were delete target creature thats insane value.
>>97432275The only goad worth playing
>>97432356>yes, I do proxy 2000$ cards how could you tell
>>97432275I fucking love goad
>>97432412I don't get it.
>>97432425
>>97432447Are you in some weird world where everyone uses this card in Rendmaw?
Does anyone have any advice how to improve my stax/pillowfort deck? I'm thinking about adding containment priest. Is it antisynergy if it cancels out all my blink cards? I'm also thinking of Court of Grace as an alt wincon/donation engine for Stiltzkin card draw.>concept of the deck is using white CA engines and slowing down and staxing out the whole table while donating asymmetrical stax pieces and bad gifts to other players for card advantage with stilzkin. The main wincon is donating Nine Lives, Transcendence or Delaying Shield on players at the right moments that make them lose the game.https://moxfield.com/decks/X1HVPP0mTkG26jT4_hcPgQ
>>97432470I also can use Solemnity combined with stuff like nine lives or delaying shield to make a decent pillow fort defense while also fucking up all the +1//+1 counter bullshit decks out there.
>>97432275I had to retire my Marisi deck pretty fast. After just a couple of games everyone saved removal and would hit everything I put on the board. Making them actually have to engage with the board drove them mad.
>>97432447>cool card>costs $2500
>Oh, you're playing a tribal deck?>Yep, there's the roaming throne>Yep there is the coat of arms or the banner of kinship>Oh, cavern of souls and three tree city? How daring.>And look, its all the shitty tribal anthems that just happen to also be mana rocks, thrilling.>Hierloom blade? You wow, you really are spoiling me.Fuck any retard that plays tribal.
>>97432571I don't run any of these things in my zombie deck
>>97432571Cavern of souls exists to make a commander uncounterable. And roaming throne onlys as a crutch for bad tribes like angels, good tribes like vampires dont need that shit.
>>97432587what do you mean?roaming throne on a yuriko deck is brutal
>>97432587>Cavern of souls exists to make a commander uncounterableNo it doesn't. Don't be a retard.
>>97432571>>Hierloom bladeNever knew about this card until now. Thanks anon! This is perfect for my Dragons, Goblins and Soldier decks
>>97432592Ninjas are a shit tribe, yuriko herself is whats good.>>97432594Yes it does, tribal decks are capped out at bracket 3 and cavern literally exists to brute force out a commander.
>>97432571>wizards hard focuses on a few select tribes and leaves the other ones starving for content>players try to make their favored tribes work despite this and include cards that help them hold up against soulless goodstuff slop pile players I'm sure your decks are real original and interesting anon, I'm sure you struggled hard and long to find good cards for them.
>>97432571Shocker, people play cards that support the strategy they're playing. Nobody is seething at every treasure deck running professional face breaker or every aristocrats deck for running blood artist stop being a retard.
I made a boros giant deck for the new Bre of clan stoutarm, just for the sake of flavor, and what little synergy exists in the creature type. Fun, if very inefficient.
>>97432633They wouldn't need to run them if they were any good at deckbuilding
>>97432661>using cards that enable your strategy is being bad at deck building jfc I genuinely can't tell if half you dumbasses are trolling or genuinely stupid
>>97432661>people put good cards relevant to their strategy into their deck>they aren't good at deck building!It's funnier and funnier every time you bait so poorly.
>>97432661Id make a screencap but this shits so low effort its not even worth the storage space.
>>97432275Goad is not a winconMost Goad players do not comprehend this and just play it like caveman-stax, and that's why they get 1v3'd
>>97432470mono white control player here, IMO you have:- too much single target removal- too little draw- too little wincons- too little protectionfor the single target removal point, I would instead suggest replacing them with boardwipes, they are much more efficient in a multiplayer format, the best ones are IMO "Hour of Revelation" and "Farewell"for the draw point, I recommend using "Land Tax" and "Tithe" in any white deck, they are crazy value for the cost, but "Trouble in Paris" and "Mangara, the Diplomat" are also quite strongfor the wincons point, sadly mono white doesn't have access to many powerful finishers, so I suggest using "Approach of the Second Sun", it pulls a lot of aggro but it's still one of the bestfor the protection point, the only thing that keeps your deck from being murdered is the goodwill of your opponents, I recommend using more pillowfort pieces such as "Ghostly Prison", "Norn's Anex", "Lightmine Field" etcrandom thoughts:- I don't like "Silence" and "Orin's Chant" outside of combo wincons- It would be nice to put more symmetrical stax pieces in the deck to donate, - I suggest using at least 5 more lands, 33 feels very low without cheap draw effects- If your goal is to make this deck bracket 3 you still have 1 game changer slot, "Enlightened Tutor" would fit in perfectly with your strategy
>>97420136>360 degrees
>>97432889yeah like the xbox
>"typal">close the tab, turn 360 degrees and walk away
>mono white commander tribal
I'm a proxyfag. Why shouldn't I just swap out my normal counterspell for this?
>>97433117use spell swindle instead.
>>97433133But that one costs way more mana. What's striking about Mana Drain is that it costs just as much as the vanilla Counterspell, but does more, making it objectively better and me wondering what they were thinking.
>>97433144they were thinking all the psudeo intellectual blue players would whale to get their better counterspell.and they were right as rain.
>>97433144it could damage you if you didn't have a use for all that mana
>>97433163Yeah, but Mana Burn got removed. Consequently, this card should be banned in every format since it's drawback was removed, making it severely overpowered.But I guess, JotC instead made it another carrot in a stick.
Hi /mtg/, I'm a total noob wanting to start playing casual commander with friends. Some are using precons with no changes yet (final fantasy counter blitz, 40k Tyranid one, etc) and one is using a custom deck based on isshin, two heavens as one (the deck is probably worth about £100-150 and hasn't seemed oppressive when we've played against it so far). I don't know much about power levels etc and don't want to be a cheese lord - any chance a kind anon would review a decklist I've put together and given me some frank feedback if anything in it is considered OP, etc? I want to play an aura/equipment deck using galea, kindler of hope as commander and would like to know if I need to tone it down and put in some cards from the unmodified aura of courage precon, etc.Decklist on moxfield is here:https://moxfield.com/decks/rDZTAtOwyEKb-xoJrIpVbAThanks in advance and obviously tell me to fuck off if you prefer
>>97433117Pork ay no lose dose?
>>97432571My Illusion deck would surprise the fuck out of you lol.
>>97433201It's banned in Legacy, which is basically the strongest format you can be banned in for power.
Is someone baking? I've never made a thread but I'll make one if noone else wants to.
>>97433442make it so, mr. anon.
>>97433117nice false flag
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>>97432571>Fuck any retard that plays tribal.Youre just mad I dont have any wh*te ""people"" in my human tribal deck
