Twos edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97425096>TQFave card with "&" in the name?
>>97431098Sword of Fire & Icehttps://scryfall.com/card/dmr/215/fire-ice
>card has been around since 1997>reprinted multiple times>no flavor text each time>2024>reprint it again without even changing the art but add INSANELY gay, overwrought flavor textWhy are they like this? Seriously?
>>97431174Anon, the had to make a niche for the full art. It’s already inflated supply via their booster scheme, please understand.This was done to protect collectors:)
>>97431349Wouldn't the Tempest watermark and the full art being full art be enough of a difference already?
>Make it So>1WW>Instant>Kicker 3>Counter target spell, if Make It So was kicked, this spell cannot be countered and the Stack cannot be added to, and it immediately resolves.
>>97431174Remember with artifacts only needed generic/colorless mana? I remember.I don't mind colored artifacts for special occassions but I believe that this card would be red if it was printed today.
>>97432109>1WWWhite don't get straight counterspells; mana leak is the best it can get.
won FNM and the best card in my promo was a $2 uncommonthe other guy who got a promo packed opened a $35 rarewhat is up with those things?
Phaser2 Artifact - EquipmentEquip 1Equipped creature gains phasing
>>97432132You don't have to speculate, they already did it.
>>97431174I think it’s fine. It’s similar to the old egg flavor text.
>>97432190*sigh*I hate it that I'm right. *Kicks the term "nonland"*
>>97432166seems pretty narrow compared to even the few existing ways to give stuff phasing
>>97432144its fine, Picard would obviously be Azorius anyway so it can just be a 1UW
Just make your own card game
>>97432257I do that all the time
>>97432109Yeah sure why the fuck not a split second counterspell in white isn't much worse than other garbage they're shitting out for UB if it costs 6.
>It's the best selling set of all time>Source: Trust me bro
>>97432132Yeah having multiple colored artifacts in every set is super gayIt should be a niche only seen on 1 or 2 planes, especially for non creatures
>>97432399I assume it's because the nips only want the collectors boxes at this point. To coomlect them.
>>97432109Can't wait!
>>97432190>>97432401colored artifacts is the new planeswalkers in every set
>>97431111>A million humans creatures and almost no magic: the setHard pass also Wotc doesn't have the balls to make a set about a series with fucking in every episode/ half the chapters
>>97432132The whole point of artifacts were to have dollar general versions of effects available to the other colors back when Wotc remembered there was a color pie. Now it's mostly there to make the card more vulnerable to more removal
When are they completing the New York block?
>>97432546....what
What if... Standard decks... but you can only run paper, non-UB printings of things... the Arena version of Spiderman doesn't count...
>>97432717removes the psychological torment, but it doesn't prevent the game from sucking
This is my vision.
if you want to peruse the cards this hypothetical format would have...game:paper not:universesbeyond format:standard
>>97432628Bot broke
I, however, am not a bot.
I accept you concession
I can't remember a single good mechanic in 2025. The only mechanic I liked a bunch in 2024 was Rooms.
>>97432937You didn't like Station or Warp?
Why didn't they just keep UB as extremely rare cards that are an alt of a card in a set like the Godzilla cards?
Because that is double work for less return. UBs matter to WotC because it also means less time they have to spend on developing UW and they act as ads for other IPs. Look at Monster Hunter UB: they had to return the cards (which were alt of UW cards) because Capcom wanted something unique to advertise their game.
>>97432937Rooms were horrendous, fuck Annex
>>97432937>The only mechanic I liked a bunch in 2024 was Rooms.Anon that mechanic was a worthless pile of ass with literally the worst flavor of any mechanic of all time.
>>97432937I hate rooms because they made it necessery to make Eerie, which is just "constelation + it works on this one hyper specific scenario". Awful flavour with dirty fingerprints of the game design team left all over it
Hi /mtg/, I'm a total noob wanting to start playing casual commander with friends. Some are using precons with no changes yet (final fantasy counter blitz, 40k Tyranid one, etc) and one is using a custom deck based on isshin, two heavens as one (the deck is probably worth about £100-150 and hasn't seemed oppressive when we've played against it so far). I don't know much about power levels etc and don't want to be a cheese lord - any chance a kind anon would review a decklist I've put together and given me some frank feedback if anything in it is considered OP, etc? I want to play an aura/equipment deck using galea, kindler of hope as commander and would like to know if I need to tone it down and put in some cards from the unmodified aura of courage precon, etc.Decklist on moxfield is here:https://moxfield.com/decks/rDZTAtOwyEKb-xoJrIpVbAThanks in advance and obviously tell me to fuck off if you prefer
>>97433224there is a commander thread, friend
>>97433224Hey bud, looks like you got the wrong door.The leather club is two blocks down.>>97420034
>>97433233 #My bad, thanks I'll post in there
>>97433240Before you go, remember this: Commander is not Magic.Godspeed.
>>97433240Before you go, remember: Commander is Magic now. Don't play any other format. They are dead and serve only as containment zone for bitter boomers.
>>97432234It needs to be WUU. All unconditional counter spells cost at least UU.
>>97433288>There can be no strong white cardsThanks Gavin
>>97432561Soon brother very soon.
>>97433403>>97432561You're just ignorant bigots, this is clearly a UW set, not New York.
>>97433403For me?It's the cheese bath featured on the Island, that Donatello is apparently swimming in and pulling his pizza out of. Very innovative culinary genius.
>>97433403You dont have enlugh arguments to convince me those are not made with AI, just look at that fucking plain man...
>>97432937Based. Rooms are awesome. I keep holding out cope that strixhaven could have some.
>>97432937>The only mechanic I liked a bunch in 2024 was Rooms.>>97433530>Rooms are awesome.How the fuck do people with taste THIS bad exist?
>>97433588Image of truth.Digits of truth.
Jesus wept.
>>97433655Dire.
As a commander player, I just have one question that I know would be useless to ask in that general; Are board wipes pretty prevalent in the other modes as well, or is it just contained in commander?
>>97432937The *bending mechanics were a home run for flavour and design, even if the cards aren't relevant for constructed (except the cub).The best set of the year was mostly just old mechanics that everyone loves and I'm totally fine with that.
>>97433871Board wipes are generally common in standard though there are specific standard environments where they were not viable. They do not exist in legacy unless Miracles is playable again in which case Terminus is the only one played.I don't know anything about Modern right now but they used to be playable back when Modern was good. I don't know anything about Pioneer.Board wipes are important in most cubes too.
>>97432109>Make It So>W>Instant>Split Second>Target spell resolves. Draw a card.
>>97433962Wrath of the Skies is probably the most played board wipe in Legacy, it's a beating in some matchups. Probably sees Modern play as well.
>>97433990My mistake. I haven't kept up with Legacy in a while.
>>97433972Strong White cards are a tall ask!
Are there no normal evoke cards in lorwyn due to set space, or is it because they decided it's too problematic with scam effects in standard?
>>97433972>stack manipulation That's a paddlin'
>>97433972>>97434050That would be "put target spell on the top of the stack", it's not the same
>>97432937Based this anon.Fuck Turtles, Sneak, Power-up and MutantsGive me Rooms, Battles and Void, also i'm the only one who likes Offspring?
We're posting mechanically destructive and retarded ideas? Let me try!>You may cast this without having priority
>>97434065>Give me Rooms, Battles and Void,
>>97432937I liked warp and harmonize.
Bending was pretty good too
>>97434065Sneak is just ninjutsu. It's not a new mechanic, not really.
>>97434091In theory, yeah; but in practice, it could have used a bit more work
>>97434096And is still a faggotry.
>>97434108really? they were surprisingly frictionless in practice.like earthbending played out well in every situation; had built in insurance against removal that also gave the land back to you immediately if it got airbended.or firebending lasting through the entire combat. waterbending working with artifacts in a clue token set.they were playtested quite well. had this "it just works" factor despite seeming complicated initially.
>>97434046Paying for MH2's sins for sure
>>97434129Waterbending only has like one constructed usable card, and the waterbending ascension is useless. The mechanic was likely kneecapped because the schizo league imagined a dominant deck 1 year in the future where waterbending was a key player.
>>97434162[set-specific mechanics] are almost always irrelevant in Constructed outside of like 1 card.You have to measure set design by how it plays out as a Limited format—and Avatar's set mechanics were so well-designed for it that they were easily one of the highlights of the year. I don't like to give them props but it was some of the most impressive new design work they've done in recent memory.
>>97434129I mean, in a vacuum, the set and mechanics work well; but once you involve other sets into the game, it just became a headache to deal with.There was also cards in the set that fixed some of the shortcomings of the bendings, sure; but that's to be expected. Still, they were just annoying to deal with and were almost made into staples because of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mG6hXT6CrInew aids just dropped
>>97433588
>>97434303squidward plays magic???
>>97431098Been out of the loop, is this any good or just super situational?
Everyone is sleeping on this
>>97434046Scam effects
>>97434354Weak sideboard card at best
>>97434354Looks like anti-blue gimmicks
>>97434404Fated Firepower? No, everyone knows it is broken but standard is a turn 3-4 format.
>>97434404Yeah, because it's too slow
>>97433972Make put split second behind kicker 3.
>>97435056We're bringing back powerful White cards Gavin, you can't stop us.
>>97435099>powerful white cardsJust one more mana to make any spell uncounterable is too efficient for any format outside of vintage and legacy. Even in legacy it's too strong. It should have a kicker cost for the split second to prevent it from being able to jam anything into play after turn 2 just because you drew it.
>>97433972too strong as a cantrip you can use reactivelyit'd need to either draw a card and split second while holding priority or protect a spell without drawing,also it'd have to be target spell can't be countered because stack manip too purple
So do you think Lorwyn will possibly be the only successful set this year? Maybe Struxhaven and Reality Fracture? I don't expect TMNT, Marvel, and Star Trek to sell. Hobbit maybe successful if they don't race swap everyone now that most audiences are tired of that shit.
>>97434404Really good in Commander!
>>97435198Hobbit will fucking flop. Star Trek, however, will save MtGhttps://youtu.be/HnDtvZXYHgE
>>97435198strix and hobbit will be goodIDFK about Reality Fracture because 0 info
we need to do everything in our power to make UB sets flop
>>97435253How much Lorwyn have you purchased so far?
>>97435253You're already not buying UW sets, what are you going to do to UB?
>>97435253My full power? Doing nothing of course
>>97435253turtle set is not out yet but people already made dozens of decks with every legendary creature
>>97435230never thought I'd care about any of these UB IPs but man I love TNG
>>97435253
>>97435359SOMEONE STOP HIM!
So when they start teasers for the Hobbit, are they bringing back The One Ring or will they have to come up with a new gimmick card with retarded rules that nobody remembers?
>>97435253It'sunironically over and Final Troontasy killed us for good.If sells start droping WotC willl say "what was the last set that made a lot of money? UB shit!" and they will make more UB shit in an attempt to chase after the money
>>97435388Imagin if they printed another THE ONE RING as a 002/001
>>97435392FF won because Square held a gun to their head and told the devs not to race swap people or make women ugly. They did censor Lulu and Tifa but even then apparently the artists were complaining they were forced to draw them how they actually look.
>>97435401And Pig Malone will purchase it for another 100 millions dollars, because he's such a quirky chungus who just loves Magic the Gathering :)
>>97435388Ring Tempts should return in some fashion, The One Ring will not.
>>97435444Gota respect the Zur grind though
>>97435430They genuinely despise the female form. Which is bizarre because they pretend women are better than men. They want all men to be women and all women to be men. You're allowed to be a slut but only if you're ugly and fat.WoTC have taken the full on feminist pill. Anything sexy is misogyny. Everything is sexist, everything is racist. The FF set is the last time we will have attractive women in magic. They aren't going to return to FF either because it won't let them push their liberal agenda.
IT'S OVER FOR HASBRO
>>97435549????
>>97435588jews gonna jew
>>97435588But don't we hate collectors anyways?Overprinting is based, makes ub worthless.
>>97435595“She” literally has 5 o clock shadow. That is a man.
>>97435611I hate Hasbro more than any other entity involved in this game. Anyone paying for actual cards at this point without needing them for a sanctioned event is the cancer in this game.>TQMake this black border and release Lurris
>>97435588>Your honer this company printed MORE of the THING THAT SELLS THE BESTHow does this have any leg in court?
>>97435665There’s a lot more to it than that…right?Either way I doubt anything will come of it. WoTC are fucking up their golden goose all on their own.
According to posters here Magic is just lost forever and is condemned to be a Fornite copy of its former self... Then what to do? Just leave? Try to change things? Accept the truth and Cope?
>>97435711Play Premodern
>>97435711Play arena
>>97435711play arenawatch the inevitable crashlaugh??????profit
>>97435695The lawsuit in actuality is that accusing Hasbro of misrepresenting it's current financial health by masquerading as a company that is on the up and up, when every division that isn't WOTC has been floundering and in the red for years. They have not been public enough about just how much they rely on MTG sales to keep their numbers up, so they've been juicing the sales of that game to keep number going up.Which again goes back to "doesn't every company do this" and the answer is yes which is why this won't go anywhere.
>>97435738The goal of this isn't to extort their own investment, it's to get court mandates that will force Hasbro to be more transparent.
>>97435711game is in better shape than it's been for like... 10 yearsretarded kids just crying on social media to fit in
>>97435719>>97435732How does playing arena helps at all?
>>97431098Twos seems kino
>>97435778It allows you to play without giving money to wotc. I haven't given wotc any money since mh2. It's called lying flat and the only thing you can do as an individual. Unless you engage in terrorism, but then your only option would be to play with your 72 anons in the after life.
>>97435769Very true!! Listen to this man and stop crying! Oink Oink
Are they going to retcon hobbits into kithkin so the lord of the rings hobbits synergizes with lorwyn eclipsed kithkin
So what's the deal with Ultra Pro cubes/towers being perpetually out of stock everywhere? They're either never available or marked up to crazy scalper prices.
>>97434303I actually did try playing moonshadow with deaths shadow and had decent results. What I didnt think of is jamming Necrogoyf in there too. Ill try this out this week
Why didn't one mana blue aura removal ever catch on as metaif we had {B}, sorcery, remove target creature from the game recursion doesn't apply, wouldn't you play it?
>>97436074good as tempo play, but you're still getting beat by the big bean
>>97436113it'll just be a 1/3 that put a +1/+1 counter on the team but yeah you need instant speed answers for 4+ mana threats in general
>>97435665I guess it has to do about lying to shareholders and people who follow their press releases.IDK how the investors get all their market data but If it is from WOTC saying they sold and produced X then if some of those are shareholders they could probably sue them on lying about company data.>>97435960No. They are retarded. They won't change universes beyond to make it work with universes within.Maybe they could either retcon Halflings or Kithkins to be the other type.
>>97431174>It is the hard work of chucking seeds, the scent of fresh feed, and the cacophony of sucking and fucking. It is sneeding.
>>97434404>XRRRToo slow, man.
We are getting Utrom creature next set.Don´t ever think as creature types as nothing else than a joke, anons.
>>97436074Fresh Start is one of the best available pieces of removal in Standard and I'm tired of pretending it isn't.
I'm in the process of sorting my collection into binders. I organized all my creatures into one book, sorted by color and mana value. Then I hit the multi color cards. Holy goddamn I hate these fuckers
>>97436285>2 manai dunno, even with instant speedBut just for sake of reference, of ALL commonly played creatures, what does this whiff on compared to say shoot the sheriff which whiffs on outlawsthere are a few niche weird scenarios like 'they buff their slickshot showoff to +6/+0 in response and still hit you for... 2 damage"but id say>same 'can't stop the ETB trigger but disables it completely' against badgermole cub, quantum riddler, rec sage, wan shi tong>is worse against deep cavern bat / tidebinder because it won't free your card>just kills the elves, spider manifestation, curator, unagi, gran gran, hellkite>is better in a few niche scenarios: shuts down enduring curiosity like an exile effect would, same vs ojer axonilOkay I'm a little more convinced anon I'll start running it as a Blue Blade in my island - waterbending scroll deck
>>97436425I think it's especially useful for decks without access to the "main" removal colors. Being a sidegrade Blade is relevant when you do not have access to Blade.
>>97436438I did some arena testing just now and 1) I have black but its unreliable early game in an island manabase using firdoch core/mox jasper for ramp later and 2) fresh start was functionally better than doom blade 1:1 for me so farsame as an 'exile target creature' unless they have enchantment removalThanks anon
>>97436470>same as an 'exile target creature' unless they have enchantment removalSome decks definitely have brought in enchantment removal post-sideboard, so it's a prime target for swapping out in G2/3 for more targetted tech.>Thanks anonCheers mate. I've had great results with it, happy to spread the good word.
>>97436470why not mono blue?
>>97436401Owning cards that aren't in decks is a waste of money. It's also a waste of time and money organizing them. You should never have more loose cards than one of those large divided card boxes. The people who own the largest collections are usually the people who are compensating for being shit by owning more shit, like Saudi princes.
>>97435263I said make UB sets flop, not make UW sets succeed
>>97436470>Not killing things is now better than killing things because half the shit just comes back for free if you kill it.THEABSOLUTEFUCKINGSTATEOFTHISGAME
>>97435549They'll return to Final Fantasy brcause Square saw the numbers and need an easy buffer when they realize Final Fantasy remake part 3 will have a 75% of flopping. The collab was literally easy money.
I want to make fire bending workGive me ideas
>>97436537pretty much.which is there more of, enchantment removal and 'sheltered by ghosts- any permanent removal'orretarded fucking recursion slapped on everythinganswer is latter>>974365004 Firdoch Core3 Mox Jasper4 Unholy Annex // Ritual Chamber4 Singularity Rupture2 Riverchurn Monument3 Sleep magic3 Unable to Scream4 Fresh Start2 Negate2 Three Steps AheadI don't like relying on a 4-of for any draw engine to a deck, but having 8 draw engines now that's something
>>97436285Is it better than those other flash auras that turn shit into a 1/1?
>>97436570he's not in standard anymore but probably something like thisstandard has a bunch of exhaust cards I'm not familar with so look into that
>>97436614his new version is much better and he has a big combo with the afterburner expert that says "whenever you activate an exhaust ability, return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield" because it gives you a free 4/2 haste like bloodghast
>>97436520Generally I agree. I stopped buying packs years ago and my collection (besides decks, lands and tokens) is only about one three row box. I don't care about collecting but I like building decks so it will be nice to have them organized to scan into an app and make decks on the go. Digging through a box is no fun regardless of how well I sort them.
>>97436612Turns out something with -3 power is a lot less threatening than something that can still hit you.
>>97436570Retvrn to tradition
>>97436425It's worse against any warp creatures, you can shoot something when it gets warped to prevent them from casting it again later, but the aura can't. Also worse against any deck that runs enchantment removal or protection, since they can use it after the fact to get rid of the aura. There's also decks with a lot of +1/+1 counters or just big creatures.
>>97436656wasted slot in foundations
>>97436425It's worse than hard removal vs riddler because it doesn't work good against warped riddler, though generally that's only relevant if you're trying to kill a warped riddler that would draw two, and generally it's normal cast by the time they can draw two.
>>97436711Foundations was a fat fuck set, so putting an old classic card in the uncommon slot isn't that much of a waste
>>97436711Foundations already has so many cards that people can't remember what is still in standard because of it.
>>97436727Yeah, it's funny to just go look through FDN and you invariably stumble across cards that make you go "What the fuck? This has been here the whole time?". Like just look through the mythics and ask yourself if you remembered that Darksteel Colossus is currently in Standard.https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28game%3Apaper%29+set%3Afdn+rarity%3Am+prefer%3Abest&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
I straight up thought this wasn't in Standard right now. I guess Ba Sing Se basically does the same thing but to any land.
>>974367534 mana wrath in standard and it barely sees play, because it's too slow.
>>97435960No it was always going to be kithkin being retconned into halfling but many people complained so now its not happening.
Would see standard and pioneer play.
>>97436803There's multiple even.
>>97436824Yeah but that one basically has a downside.
>>97436854Yeah, but I think the important point is that Standard is chock full of wraths, which puts a lot of downward pressure on the meta.
>>97436570UB tranny mechanic
Any format where my boy is unplayable is a bad format.
Doesn't hobbit need to have a UW correspondence since it's from an external IP? Hobbit could just be ruled as being the same as kithkin.
>>97436864>target elf and ghalta>draw 11 cards then attack with a 12/12 and a 23/23kino
>>97436864>my boywho's going to tell him?
>>97436881girls can be boys too
>>97436818yes, bkwmasters is the main reason this stopped seeing play and it's not legal in those formats
>>97436873Too based for this gay meta. Instead you just elf>badgermole>ouroboroid and then at that point you've either already won the game or you're going to lose next turn.
>>97436818>Would see standard and pioneer play.Strix is a legit titan and I would play the fuck out of it in both formats.
>>97435056>>97435197No.It's Insist/Overmaster but made to match the powerlevel of 2026. The card would not be played competitively in most formats.
>>97433972"Other spells on the stack gain split second."Would probably be a cleaner way to handle things.
yearly check in, magic still garbage?
Seems the Tarkir Dragonlords ended up in Hexhaven.
>>97437043>Seems the Tarkir Dragonlords ended up in Hexhaven.Oh boy everyone aren't you excited for NEXT THING!? There's a big buildup coming! We're building up to THE NEXT THING!!!
>>97437030How so?
>>97437052It just hard resolves the whole stack right the fuck now.
>>97437047>>Seems the Tarkir Dragonlords ended up in Hexhaven.Why tho
>>97437065Who fucking cares.In Jace Beleren's Darkplace, MTG stories make sense. Not in this universe.
>>97437060Yeah, but the idea is to dodge a counter by expediting a resolution
>>97437065The Strixhaven elder dragons were made as counterparts to Tarkir. People liked but hated that they ruined Tarkir so they were expelled but not killed from tarkir since they don't fit the 3 color wedges. A common strixhaven wish is to get the 5 ally colors colleges despite not making any lore sense. By having the Dragonlords on Hexhaven they can refit the lore of them being counterparts to Strixhaven's Dragon, have them be alive and get the Ally color colleges without breaking Strixhaven's lore.
got burnt out after the first couple daysnow I'm back forcing elves for free wins
Is there a monocolor draft force like ATLA with white in Lorwyn?
>>97437128
>>97437316It's always funny seeing monocolor consistency trumping guild sinergies
>>97437327You only go into mono colour in draft when you are the only person at the table drafting it and open bombs.Most brutal 7-0 I've had this set was mono green with the enchantment that has Affinity for Forests.
>>97437327>It's always funny seeing monocolor consistency trumping guild sinergiesAberration created from people only going into monocolor if the pool is nuts for it.
>>97437356Cope
ElvesKithkinMerfolk.Exactly what people were predicting would dominate the format way out from release.If literal random nobodies can see this unbalanced shit coming from a mile away mere hours after spoilers are released, how is it that WotC design teams are unable to?
>>97437362>Oh no! My coin flip is 10% biased!
>>97437376It's one thing to get railroaded into one of ten signpost-uncommon-featuring archetypes. It's another thing to only have three to get railroaded into, across 8 players. A small bias massively stagnates formats and makes them less interesting to play.Poor format balance is bad design.
>>97437030This is functionally different.Player A casts Lightning Bolt targeting a Llanowar Elf.Player B casts Giant Growth to save it.Player A then casts Make It So to resolve Bolt before the Giant Growth takes effect.Giving all spells split second doesn't lead to that outcome.
It wasn't supposed to be a documentary
>>97437362>how is it that WotC design teams are unable toThe mistake you're (still) making is thinking they test anything. I don't know how many time I have too say it - you're assuming they test or open their own product to make sure it isn't misprinted or shit; they don't.They do not hire for any professional competency they hire for passion, which means hiring people who might be shit at their original jobs but can make a Magic Twitter. Any job, from a chef to a lawyer to an engineer, has at least one other soul look at the work before they ship it. Nobody in Wizards has worked a real job.When the fuck was the last time you saw a Wizards employee play competitive Magic? They make fucking crack-a-box videos, that's what Blake does for a fucking weekly news video.
>>97437493lol retard. a life of pointless sobbing on the internet over shit you know nothing about.
>>97433403could probably do some real damage to this by aggressively spreading the lie that its AI sloppa using some red circles and word vomit "info"graphs
>game is unplayable>gets no new players>UB reigns supreme>youtubers losing numbers>hasbro getting sued
>>97433516ope
>>97437362>wotc design teams are unable to?How many times do we have keep saying it? This IS the design.Games are never coming back. It's all predetermined experiences to get the piggies to buy more products once they get tricked into believing they are good at card games that basically play themselves.
>>97437362Taking a peek at some posts from >>97404264 ...Anon 1:>I agree that it'll suck if Elves and Kithkin are dominant, but it's not looking that way to me right nowOk.Anon 2:>None of the tribes are playable except Elves if the pool isn't split, and a few others (Goblins, Kithkin) only with absolute nut drafts.Literally the only time an anon said elves would be good in the thread. Still ended up being wrong about goblins and kithkin, in opposite directions.>Someone plays the bomb they cracked and wins. The first player to secure tempo wins almost 100% of the time. There are no archetypes, every deck just devolves into goodstuff slop vs goodstuff slop but in different colors.Self contradictory, dosn't even make sense. Is it bombs or tempo that wins? Predicting no archetypes, just goodstuff piles doesn't seem to be doing so hot.Anon 3:>Goblins are definitely strong with a good pool and no competition for the pieces. It's a shame "Strong" in this context is really just "Midrange valueslop"Just have the good cards and have nobody else take them lolAnon 4:>But, on the topic of that, Orzhov reanimator-midrange seems to be a good route if you crack the pieces. The format ha a unholy fuckton of recursion and W/B has most of the playable removal.Orzhov reanimator?Anon 5:>Tribes are unplayable but draft is on rails due to tribal. There's barely any removal but everything just gets removed so you have boring gamestate.Tribes are unplayable?Anon 6:>Why does every other creature have higher toughness than power in this set? What a shitty ass limited environment.Anon then proceeds to get btfo by actual numbers.When there's an anon predicting every option, someone is bound to be correct.
>>97437534>When there's an anon predicting every option, someone is bound to be correct.A broken clock is wrong all the time if you keep spinning it.
>>97437536True that. Here's a bonus prediction, from the thread before that one:>Tribal drafting in ECL is actively detrimental and a good way to get run over 2-0 by boros aggro pilesMaybe next time we have a real set I'll set up a poll or something, so we can all see how good the /mtg/ predictions actually are.
>>97437542>Maybe next time we have a real set I'll set up a poll or something,Sounds like a fun time honestly.
>>97437362Nobody predicted it you liar.
>>97437534This is anecdotal evidence from playing with the cards not actually predictions from spoiler season.
>>97437596>our predictions got worse by getting practice and experienceThe geniuses of /mtg/ are so refined that their minds must stay untainted by reality to reach such heights. Incredible gymnastics, 10/10
>>97437534>Orzhov reanimator?The willow is one the strongest card to draft. It boost both kithkin and elves win rates and if you want to draft W/B you have to draft it since it increase your chance of winning by 10% otherwise W/B is a terrible deck to draft. It is the second weakest pair in the format.
>>97437625>If literal random nobodies can see this unbalanced shit coming from a mile away mere hours after spoilers are releasedThen it's not really predictions anymore.
>>97437362With 17lands revealing for basically all sets every guild combination being over 50% as well as basically most cards also being 50% if-drawn, I think the only thing we can conclude is that nothing really matters in terms of your draft performance. Your 20th-23rd cards could be no better than lands and if you draw them you'll still have 50% odds. What we actually need are the 17lands numbers for the Magic S&P500 to get any real feedback and Wizards is never going to give us that information.Furthermore, the tribes are strong but not so strong that you can't get a very functional deck in those same colors.
>>97436556I'm not sure how though. They did all the popular games at once. Where do they go from here? Popular characters like Cloud have multiple iterations.
>>9743764750% on 17lands is terrible since it only gathers data from professional. So the actual middle of the road percentage is 54%. Anything under that has 50% win rate but pros who know what they are doing are able to increase it by 4%.
>>97431098The art for Tokka & Razhar is great. It's evocative of the live action movie where they first appeared. It doesn't make me hate the idea of TMNT in Magic the Gathering's Standard format any less
>>97437716So amateurs should only draft:WU MerfolkRG VividGW KithkinBG ElvesUR ElementalsGreen seems to be great while black is terrible.
>>97433427Did they fucking power creep Speed Demon from Aetherdrift?
>>97437716>only gathers data from professionalIt gathers from anybody who submits data. Just because someone is committed enough to something in Magic doesn't mean they are good at the game. God, like look at the people on Reddit - they are maximally engaged and you know they suck. Spend any time in a Discord, users with thousands, tens of thousands of posts are fucking awful at the game.My point is that we need the data from players that fuck, not just the ones that volunteer their data.
>>97437752Most of the who use it are professionals that have played for most new players that draft don't even know this exist. Even amateurs that use it are better drafters than the newbies.
I'm on a work trip and found a store in the city I'm in hosting vintage. Went to go play and my opponent round 1 was using one of these for his life counter and I've never been so jealous before.
>>97437755I understand what you are saying and you're right, that people who use tools are better than those who do not.I'm also saying that there are entire massive chunks of tool-using players who are fucking godawful shit at this game. How many people do you see out there building websites and tools for Magic that nobody fucking needs - and people follow those people by the thousands. 99% of articles on Cube Cobra think they know what they're doing and they don't, these are people who write articles, and use a tool and I wouldn't trust them to teach anybody anything about Cube, Limited, or Magic. There's no real secret sauce about Magic that makes people exceptional people. There's no reason to think people playing Chess are operating at some higher level that they should be some kind of authority on Chess let alone anything.17Lands needs to give us the data for the Top 500 players that submit. They need to stop anonymizing the data and straight up identify the most powerful users, assign them a hash or something.
>>97437739Speed Demon triggers on end step and can theoretically come out when you're at max speed to draw you 4.The new guy comes down and doesn't do anything until your next turn and if you don't have a way to put counters on him it only draws you 1.They're similar but different enough imo
>>97437813Savanti triggers on combat regardless of whether he's attacking, that includes the turn he comes down
>>97437819i am stupid I read it as upkeep ignore me speed demon sucks
>>97437794>two sets of 5 colors>neither is WUBRGThis upsets me in a way it shouldn't
>>97436803I don't think too slow is the right word exactly. control in general is weak. Against decks like lessons and re-animator, the answers are in the sideboard and not in the main. What is too slow isn't board clears, what's too slow is 3 mana counterspells. there is no way any deck can play a full set of Three Steps Ahead because a full set is way too many. The weakness of 3 mana counter spells against pushed creature decks make control more of a tempo deck where the control player has to start swinging with creatures, this is why Jeskai control is superior. Gone are the days of decks with 1 creature in the entire decklist as the win condition or decks where the win condition is a planeswalker. Against Ouroboroid Day of Judgement is very good, its just too bad that's only 1/5th of the matches and most of the rest of the time it is bad.
>>97435401>But they were all of them deceived, for another Ring was made.
trying to brew some pauper cause I'm tired of the same meta, lorwyn disappointed hard for pauper.thoughts on this?(infinite mana with axebane + freed from the real + defender, kill with infinite dungeons from secret door)
Do you guys ever make custom cards?A friend of mine has a 540 card cube, but we have sort have played it to death, so if we have a weekend party or something, we regular cube in the morning then do a cube with 24 of our wacky custom cards shuffled into the packs in the evening when we're all drunk. Generally it has gone down quite well, but I still like there to be some themes or flavor behind the custom cards. Som are just novelty or color shifted versions of famous cards with out of game mechanics, and some are done entirely for flavor or in jokes. For example >Drunk Confidant {1}{B}, 2/1 Human Wizard>At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library and put it into your hand. You take shots equal to it's converted mana cost.which has prompted many concessionsor>The Basilisk {2}{G}{G}, 4,5>Deathtouch>Each opponent cannot look at the battlefield. If they do, each creature they control becomes petrified until end of turn and all their lands become tapped. (petrified is a reference to the rivals of ixalan pacifism effect)Generally we have a lot of fun with these, but I'm looking to develop a new cycle of Table Enchantments; Enchantments that when in play, have an effect for every player at the Table, not just in your game (and ideally have an etb or continuous effect that benefits the controller). They also have split-second, players cannot concede while they are in play, and any new Table card causes the older one to be put into its owners graveyard. These are intentionally going to be wild, confusing, and swingy, but so far we have only really got ideas for black and white. (pic related) Can you guys think of any good ideas for the rest of the colors?
I brought basic bitch elves to Pauper tonight. Got a bye round 1 then went 2-0 against a Gate Hawk player and 2-1 against Izzet Midrange ft. Tolarian Terror and Mystic.Beating the izzet player felt great because izzet midrange is my primary deck. But I run a noticeably different list than this guy. I don't have Terrors, I run Snackers and Kessig Flamebreather.Anyways he fucked me in game 1 by removing my mana dork and leaving me manaless. I somehow managed to win 2 in a row after that despite bullshit like Cast Into the Fire removing elves. Frankly every single red pauper deck should run Tectonic Hazard or End the Festivities. I feel like you could main deck 4 of those in nearly any red deck its such a strong card that counters so much common bullshit like elves, bogles, faeries, RDW and squadron hawk. If you lost to elves in izzet with 0 Tec Hazards in your sideboard then fucking rip bozo
>>97438035Making custom cards is what keeps me interested in this game.Something like this would work as a table enchantment I guess, just move to the side clockwise.
It doesn't surprise me but it appals me that they made the background of the gatherer this disgusting diverse womyn. I still don't understand, why is DEI pushed in every single aspect of media by the West? Like every single thing has to be about black people, gays, transvestites etc.White men simply aren't allowed anymore. Not in media. Not in jobs. We're meant to just step aside and let someone else take over. It's like they literally want to wipe us off the face of the earth.
>>97438185meds
>>97438215HRT and ack.
>Shareholders suing HasbroWould this improve MtG?
>>97438168We had the idea for the red Table enchantment to pretty much be this. The issue with this is that the obvious use case is just "wait until a guy is obviously losing, then switch places with his opponent". The Table Enchantment we had was just "everyone moves one seat to the left". If something has an insane effect, then it has to mostly be symmetrical, otherwise it just feels extremely unfair to the targeted player. In the case of the one I just mentioned, the verdict from the cube owner was "I hate it" then later on "I love it because it means I get to play MORE MAGIC!"
>>97438239They seem to want to worsen the scalper problem.
>>97438239Does getting sued for "misrepresenting company performance in quarterly reports" improve Magic? This is a rhetorical question, the answer is obvious.
>>97437458kek
>>97437738>Bant colours are strong whilst B and R are mostly relegated to removal dutySounds like most limited formats of the last year then
Marvel commander decks.
>>97437708Either another visit with focus on the FFs that didnt get enough cards, they can add the remake and Compilation sloppa there for FF7 if they want like DEEPGROUND. Another is a focus on Ivalice so they can do FF Tactics. Theres still a lot of things that arent covered really, I feel they'll make the FF revisit set an emergency button
>>97438344I guess but it won't be the same excitement for stuff like that. I could see a Dragon Quest set but that's more of a jap thing. It's only a matter of time before we get a Nier secret lair, there's enough material for a set. Maybe the Mana series too but again none of these are as popular as just straight Final Fantasy.Everyone is sick of Marvel so I don't expect it to do that well.The real big money maker would be something like Zelda. If they're going to do video game collabs Nintendo is an untouched gold mine for them.In a few years I expect MtG will be only UB. It's inevitable.
>>97438335>Lorwyn barely released>All TMNT rares/mythics spoiled during Lorwyn prerelease>Now spoilers for the set coming almost half a year laterZzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>97438335If God is good nobody is going to buy this shit and it will horribly flop.
>>97438335Lorywn has been eclipsed.....
>>97438335And only $70 a piece!
you now remember there's a B&R in two weeks expect a lot of flourishing
>Nick Fury blackBut of course.
All it took was a single real set on a real plane and standard was savedEveryone can go back to paper & mtga standard once again holy shit its actually funENJOY THIS BRIEF REPRIEVEITS ONLY A BLIP IN THE SLOP TRAIN
>>97438335AAAAARGH HELP ME MARO THE NEBRASKANS ARE REBELLING
>>97438035>Do you guys ever make custom cards?
>>97438756>opponent reveals only lands from their hand
>>97438335Why do 3 out of 4 have blue and red together?
>>97438756I made a tarot deck to spend my autism bucks on. Not ready to shuffle it yet.
>>97438907The fantastic four should be 5 color. Marval-tards are able to understand that the scary black cards aren't inherently evil
>>97438938>black isn't inherently evil>but the villains are black tho>>97438641
>>97438918thats not a custom magic card that's some other card in a magic frame
>>97438938>opponent casts Helping Hand, putting Temple Acolyte onto the battlefield tapped from their graveyard>they declare they gain 3 life>I call a judgeF-F-FUCK GATHERER
>>97438335We are reaching shit levels shouldnt even be possible...
>>97431098Sorry, I just had to do it.
Still waiting for Through the Omenpaths 2 (OM2).
2026 is the year this game dies.
>>97438999I bet turtle soup would taste of pizza.>>97438947Villains are WUBRG and based. I hope the keep printing these types of mana sinks in legendary slots.
>wakanda forever>white green
>>97439089how would golgari suit wakanda? if anything the fact that they aren't naya artifact is the most surprisingthey're a protectionist nation with natural harmony, which you can shit on all you want but that's the fault of the comics, not the conversion
Fresh Start anon I cannot believe how good this spell has been for me so far2 mana: actually fucking stop target creature from doing its gay shitEven exile based removal doesn't work with badgermole cubs and ba sing se and other bullshit
>>97439116Cheers, friend.
How you make a pure Lowryn Eclipsed giants deck?
>>97438995Come home white man.
>>97438035one of my 'tisms feeding the other
>>97439171>open the clam!
>>97439122>cast a destroy spell on unstoppable slasher, it comes back>cast exile spell on earthbent land it comes back>cast sleep magic on gran gran she still gives mana discount>cast unable to scream on chocobo it still attacks as a 4/6>don't even get to cast a sorcery speed spell on kona before you lose>cast a fucking sweeper and sephiroth kills you with damage triggersflash-5/-0loses all abilitiesthe only thing you have to worry about is wh*te decks that remove it and alpha strike
>>97438035>Do you guys ever make custom cards?I used to a lot more. When the game wasn't shit, I did custom set drafts of my set at the LGS often enough. The LGS basically died for MTG so I largely stopped, but I still pluck away at designs whenever I get an idea for one. Pic related is a recent foray.Printing cards onto transparencies and applying them to acetone-wiped basic lands gets the best looking cards.
>>97437362>Exactly what people were predicting would dominate the format way out from release.I saw a couple people saying Elves and Merfolk would be best, and a bunch more people saying one or the other would "dominate", but I never saw anyone mention Kithkin. A significant amount of people said Goblins would be a little worse than Elves and Merfolk, but no one said anything about Elementals. Maybe I just missed those posts, but I find it kinda weird how people keep feeling the need to assert this is "exactly" what was predicted.>>97437534These were the main posts I remembered too, but also stuff like pic related. Not an inaccurate prediciton, just not "exact".
>>97431098oh wow.cool.a two-card combo.so interesting.
>>97439207>but no one said anything about Elementals.Elementals being even remotely playable caught me off guard. It having low play numbers suggests it's very rare-dependent, which explains why many people missed it.
>>97439215Top turtle commander right now.
>turn 1 springleaf drum>turn 2 deceit, thoughtsneezes>turn 3 deceit, thoughtsneezes, not dead after all returning it to the battlefield as a 6/6 pings 1 when it dies>turn 4 kavaero, copying deceit, recoil
>>97438424unfortunately once again clueless parents will likely save WotC from its own poor forward-planning and the superhero fatigue that should've seen this set failplus Mutants will be necessary to us Jenova chads and the superhero mythics from the main set will probably be designed by fans and extremely overtuned, with only their CMC (those nogames fucks still haven't realized they turned standard into a T3 format) potentially saving us from Legacy turning into Dormammu Reanimator vs. Riri, Ironheart & Mephisto's Bargain
>>97439258Why are we not Deceit + Thoughtseizing on turn 1?
>turn 1 pass>turn 2 wipe out a 9mm and kill op
>>97439314>turn 1 peter parker's camera>turn 2 cast arc spitter, but don't have it equipped yet>turn 3 opponent grabs the arc spitter out of my waistband and triggers its damage ability without pulling the trigger, and border patrol agents shoot me 5 times
>>97439375FAFO
>>97439431
4 Vibrance4 Wistfulness4 Deceit4 Quantum Riddler4 Outcaster Trailblazer3 Superior Spiderman3 Ashling3 Flamebraider3 Springleaf Drum4 Not Dead After Alllands are rough but the turns are explosive
>>97439171Here's the missing piece in the cycle
not Magic the Gathering
>>97439597
>>97435665they print more but say they need to raise price because printers are printing lesssee also the whole reason why the secret lairs went from print to demand to limited number
>>97435711play on Xmageplay with friendsignore new sets that don't interest youvote with your walletmake a cube or a set of decks balanced against eachother from a time you liked>>97435846Arena still gives money to WotC by giving them f2p players that pay2p players can stomp on easier, encouraging them to spend more, plus the grind wastes too much time and time is moneyplay on Xmage, Cockatrice, Forge, Untap.in, Tabletop Simulator, or any other fuckin thing you can think of.
>>97439811>f2p players that pay2p players can stomp on easieris this some 'buy gems to get better rng' schizo babble? Arena is by far the most relevant way for new players to get into MTG (if they don't want to play EDH)
>>97439868thanks for ignoring the rest of my post, really shows there's nothing wrong with what i said beyond one side tangent on a bigger point of "don't waste time with mtgArena".as for new players, they should play with other new players or with their friends who introduce them to the game in the first place. you know, build a community and all that shit. Arena has no community with it's random matchmaking shit.
ARENA IS BACKother platforms suckstandard is alive again
>>97439896well you want me to point out that Xmage is dogshit or something? it's comical to recommend these dead 3rd party clients to new players when they can just go play starter decks on Arena or whatever. no, the Xmage "community" is not a good enough reason. They should go play where everyone else plays.I did like Cockatrice for Legacy testing back in the day (not relevant to new players at all, obviously).>>97439932more like Standard is a dead format in paper and people only play it on Arena because it's more or less free.
>>97439932huh? explain
>>97440014wonder how popular non-standard formats would be on arena if they didn't kick you in the dick for trying to play themevery standard card legal in every format, but every other format has a way bigger pool of cards and 3/4 of them aren't legal in the other formats and you therefore need 4x the card pool to sustain your decks and you can't draft them and even the landbases are 23x rare/mythics + 1 basic and those cards are legal in standard except shocks
KAMIGAWAKANDAKAWABUNGAZINGA
huh?
>>97438947According to the original Arena novel no color is inherently evil but black & red are the first colors to turn the moment things get tough.
Hello? Yes, one "Wakanda Forever" Commander deck, please.
WAKANDA FOH EVAH
>>97440092well if Pioneer were at all relevant or alive it would be a decent place to play it. the other formats have nothing to do with paper magic so there is no incentive.Historic is a weird mix of busted decks eternal-power level decks and new players on starter decks that they can't queue with on any other format (if you want to grind to the top of the ladder you can farm them forever there lol, all Constructed formats share the same rank. I once went on a 40 win streak doing this which should obviously be impossible in any functioning MMR system).Alchemy is similar but much more dead, with constantly rotating decks based around digital-only cards from the latest set's bonus sheet.Timeless has a small community enjoying busted Vintage shit (turn 1 combo decks, Lurrus control, 4x Strip Mine recursion) but it's a bit inaccessible because every deck needs 40 mythic that are banned in every other format.
>>97438641>>Nick Fury black>But of course.Hes jeskai, retard
Apologize.
every time they try to write a "black isn't evil" character they end up doing some stupid loophole to explain why them doing good things is actually totally in color for blackeg. "Kaito fights to make Kamigawa a better place... uh for himself and his family"
Kamigawakandabunga!
>>97440185>Historic is a weird mix of busted decks eternal-power level decks and new players on starter decks that they can't queue with on any other format (if you want to grind to the top of the ladder you can farm them forever there lol, all Constructed formats share the same rank. I once went on a 40 win streak doing this which should obviously be impossible in any functioning MMR system).The /mtgag/ thread is just a single namefag who does exactly that and bumps it every day, about 95% of his games are against people on starter decks. Probably got kicked out of every LGS IRLAdding strip mine was a mistake
>>97440193General Kudro is a perfect example of a black-aligned hero and honestly one of the best characters in recent lore.
>>97440191Is cum tribal even remotely viable yet?
Any good MTG Instagram pages to follow
>>97438650More raceswaps on the way stat.
>>97440193black works now that eldrazi and jewish new yorkers are part of the multiversewhat's better than a devil you don't know?
So whats the most fun tribe in Lorwyn Eclipsed? I like to go wide with kithlins
>>97440314Based on the stats, it's Badgermole Elves. Aside from that, Kithkin is the most fun if you wanna play aggro.
Badgermole slots into any deck.
>>97439089Grixis Doom is also stupid but here we are.
Mechanic flavor > Personality flavorCharacters should be given mechanics that make sense for them, then colors decided based on those mechanics. It's stupid to decide a character's colors based on "themes" if it locks them into having abilities that make no sense for them.
>Kamigawabunga!!!!>Wakanda Forevaaaah!!!!>Set Phasers for FUN!!!When this game became a joke of itself? Why we let this happen?
>>97440499When commander became the primary way of interacting with Magic.
>>97439089>>97440453reminder that UB STILL doesn't need to adhere to your lame colorpie
>>97440334I played against Badgermole Elves at Modern FNM the other day. Looked fun as fuck. That elf with etb survival of the fittest was actually quite good.
>>97440499>Why we let this happen sar?you didn't do shit but cry on social media and repeat whatever memes you read, pajeet.
>>97440191>boot up mtga>match up unranked>be against orange name>play cavern of souls, naming "noggle">play cavern of souls, naming "rigger">.....>account disabled
>>97440193It doesn't help their argument that basically every UB slop set just has all the villains as assorted black. Although, I don't think anyone in charge of UB understands the color pie either.
>>97440563Is this the kind of subhuman supporting UB? I can understand why sets like Avatar succeed, they lack both taste and a brain.
>>97440563Wub a lub a dub dub!
>>97440499Kikes took over the company, nobody tried to stop them.Maro boasted several times he wants to kill this game just to mildly inconvenience and upset white people using it as a demoralization tool.Now you get naruto, captain picard, jeff goldblum and the ninja turtles teaming up against sephiroth because him, being an incel, offended spongebob.WAKANDA FOREVER MY FELLOW DOMINARIANS!>>97435549Pic very much related, that mentally ill bitch is literally paid by jews to ruin everything you love and care for, she made it her main goal in life, now you get spiderman webbing up barrin.Those vermin hate you and want you removed from the gene pool, which is why they brainwashed women with the retarded and delusional, wrong on purpose ideology called feminism.
>>97440716go post in your own thread this is /mtg/
Does anyone have the one where maro gets accused of trying to kill the game and he starts laughing and declares that they will quadruple down instead?
>>97440716>gives mana as food>Turtle lands are foodSomething tells me the Marvel set is also going to have food-based mana
NY Block looks really awesome brothers.
>>97440749>2021>People already knew he was destroying this game>No one did anythingWe got what we deserve
>>97440716Not Magic The Gathering.
>>97440764He made it clear he joined the company just to destroy the game when mythic rarity was announced, at that point there was no doubt anymore.
>>97440191LOOKS LIKE MOX ARE BACK ON THE MENU BOYS
>>97440785Sometimes I wonder: If the Omenpaths art was the actual set rather than a substitute, would the set have been as reviled as it is now?
>>97440785And some people have the best to say "Arena players got fucked because they don't have the real art of the Spider-Man set" lmao, I would pay actual money to be capable of avoid have "Turtle Power!" or "Turtles Forever" in my motherfucking games.
>>97440749No
>>97438641>>Nick Fury black>But of course.Yeah, he has been black for sometime now.First in the original Ultimate universe where things had a more on the ground explanation and he was a operative of the government who slowly made a net of influence and didn't had much of a spy backstory.Then in the marvel movies (that almost copies some things off of the ultimate universe(also in the ultimates run they even make a joke about samuel jackson playing him)Then in the normal marvel universe they made a Nick Fury Junior who was the black son of the original Nick Fury.Imo it is a good idea to pander for new and current comic book readers. And making him the current Nick Fury was a good choice.Anyways Universes Beyond and Commander decks being release in every Standard release are really shit and bad ideas.(I wouldn't mind if the marvel crossover was like the W40k crossover)>>97438999Zamn
>>97440873That's why I'm unironically looking forward to OM2. Fewer spiders, less need for artists to bend backwards to make appropriate art for the creature type.
Hear me out, I think I'm onto something
>>97440881unironically 2024 was the last good year of magic the gathering, yes even with murders at karlov manor and thunder junction outlaws.i will die on this hill.
>>97433655>Complaining that magic's worst cards are targeted at magic's worst formatJust don't play EDH, anon. It's that simple.
>>97435665Not really, no. This is an incredible spurious lawsuit.
>>97441016>unironically 2024 was the last good year of magic the gatheringwhat? of course notit was 2018in 2019 we got modern horizons and in 2020 we got the first UB cards
>>97440870meh, webslinging was just kind of lamethey should have done more with symbiotes and a mutate mechanic (despite its middling relationship to the creative concept of symbiote hosting) that they'd go on to use for X-men, Fallout and a bit in Final Fantasy, honestly - and i'm not sure why they didn't, given that how popular Venom wasmaybe the early idea was for waterbending to be similar to webslinging, idk maybe i'm just stuck thinking in block design terms
>>97441016>unironically 2024 was the last good year of magic the gatheringAre you retarded?Do you have brain AIDS?
>>97440914lol its the definition of a B team project either wayyou might not get spiders but you'll definitely be dealing with a lot of Totally Not Captain America
>Look at YuGiOh players>They refuse to consume product when it's shit, to the point it's problematic for both Konami and stores if a bad product is released>Look at Magic players>"This is the worst set EVER!" (Made record sales)What went wrong?
>>97441016>hat sets>bloomburrow aka the set that led to mice infested standard for a year>Another forced Modern rotation by a horizon setNo thanks
>>97441211Ygo only has 1 format so if its shit its shit, not like they can play a casul alternative format.
>>97441211>"This is the worst set EVER!" (Made record sales)This either is not the actual consensus or non-players are just buying product for funsies.
>>97441211YuGi players have self respectWe have Cummander instead
>>97441211Yu gi oh was never a good game. So when it's shit it's indai tier. Magic is still better than the competitors in its current state.Here is the best card in Lorwyn Eclipsed. Day something nice about it
>>97441228I pulled 2 of these in the past week. If only it was enough to make Elves relevant again.
>>97441211>"This is the worst set EVER!" (Made record sales)You guys yelling into the void here are the minority, you're delusional if you think these threads represent the greater playerbase.
>>97440972>Turn 4 to go offyou won't survive to have value out of those.>>97441016>unironically 2024 was the last good year of magic the gathering, yes even with murders at karlov manor and thunder junction outlaws.just bloomburrow and duskmourn the rest was still shit (not as shit as 2025+ stuff)
>>97441235You are saying the whole playerbase is happy about TMNT, Marvel and Star Trek slop?
>>97441228Can't wait for the next champion card>(1): Return a spell you control to your hand. If this is the third time you have done it this turn, you win the game.
>>97441243Yes, there are many people who enjoy UB, that's why they sell well.
>>97441228why that elf has glasses?
>>97441252They already made him one.
>>97441256Then is true, this game has become a pig farm in the end, the options are join the farm or change the restaurant
>>97441257It's a championship card, most of them look silly.
>>97441242Its 18 removal spells / discard and 3 that make some chump blockersIts 6 mana to get the win on the spot but you can ramp into it with gold saucer
>>97441228Unironically the chase card of the set going in the long term. Hexing Squelcher is cummander b8 and Bitterbloom Bearer is a trap. This card goes into some decks as a 2 or 3-of but it hard carries them. Yawgmoth might even get bumped a few notches above love tier 2 just because of it, and I have a hunch some Standard Badgermole based deck will use it
>>97439051>the king of Rohan is a villainDANGEROUSLY BASEDDEATH TO THE FORGOIL
>>97441269>has become a pig farm in the endIt became on the second they created the reserved list, the game is just a front for people trying to make money of trading cards.
Lorwyn status?
>>97441274The best deck in standard is boomerang - lessons and I think your deck doesn't stand a chance against that.>>97441378invaded by strixhaven immigrants.
>>97441378I rike it, I just wish it had Elves that didnt suck outside of Formidable Speaker and Safewright.
>>97438035I'm making my own game
>>97441256So YGO players officially have higher standards than Magic players?
>>97441422nope lol
>>97441422YGO has its own problems
>>97441274There's no use in trying to reason with someone whose ego depends on your deck being weak
>>97441422UB IS Magic (see Arabian Nights)Magic is just returning to its roots, finally free of millenial writing slops.
>>97441422UB buyers aren't Magic players
>>97441429reprints of old cards but with [third world] sport player. And I can ignore those cards because they are not new or broken? Yeah, this is way better than MTG right now.
>>97441378Splendid art all around.
>>97441404boomerang doesn't matter as much as the counterspells here. If they were just playing threats and tapping out and trying to lay down value rocks like monument, you'd just play some removal, ramp once and pop carnosaur and win on the spot
>>97441451Why were they such stingy cunts with tribal this time aroundTarfire is a tribal instant - goblin and its just a fucking shockWhy is this low power removal+sneeze not considered a goblin spell
>>97441454Build it and prove him wrong!
>>97441457u must be buying the strixhaven lessons sar
>>97441422Yugioh doesn't have UB because they just straight up rip off other franchises.
>>97441404>Strixhaven rejects in fucking LorwynI still wonder for what purpose...
>>97441482If Reality Fracture retcons the lore so that Jace plowing Vraska's pussy every night led to them having a kid, I will forgive wotc for some of their sins.
>>97441495I mean, she could be a sort of "created child" made by whatever Jace's powers are now. Like a hypothetical kid they COULD have had.
>>97441445If you keep saying this maybe it'll be true one day.
>>97441482Jace achieved cloaca impregnation or this is some sort of Loot situation?
>>97441522Would it be possible to use an illusion spell on your semen to make it snake semen. Or does the act of entering the egg count as a targeted effect, destroying the semen
>>97441482Because, A, Omenpaths are a thing.B, upcoming Strixhaven set.
>>97441457>Why is this low power removal+sneeze not considered a goblin spellbecause wotc doesn't have good designers anymore?>>97441495>>97441522delusionals. I can't wait for the Jace set to be a nothing burger.>>97441482because they think we like Strixhaven more than og lorwyn... (no joking)
>>97441482>Hey mark we have this cool design for a new Mother of Runes variant, what color should we make it?>BLUE!
>>97441222it's the latter. magic is just the latest pump dot fun
guiseppes, the avatar draft environment was better than lorwynnot like this
Fucking hell it honestly feels like 90% of the cards in Lorwyn are just undraftable last pick garbage. How do you fuck up a format THIS badly?
>>97441604https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/recq-standard-scg-con-portland-saturday-4-00-pm-2026-01-25#arenaQuite a few Lorwyn cards being played.
>>97441604for me it wasn't even that. tribal is just so braindead archetype and if you get cucked you can't really pivot unlike with actual mechanics that can synergise way better with other thingsthat and the lack of good removal makes very cluttered boardstatesthe -1 counter stuff is neat but ultimately falls short in limited due to, again, needing too specific synergies to work properly UNLESS you got the bomb rare/mythic
>"Sorry anon, Kaito's emblem doesn't actually buff that creature."WotC is awesome.
>>97441211We're pigs. Pigs eat slop. Simple as.
>>974410942018 was also the last time Standard (IXN-GRN) was serviceable. It wasn't the best format ever and there were problems of course. But it was the last time it was more fun than frustrating to play.
Super Heroes precon packages were leaked, which I guess soft-confirms that they're likely doing an X-Men set given their absence here. I think they've said they have two more 'planned' after Super Heroes and potentially more, so I think we're getting X-Men and then... Cosmic shit I guess.
>>97442008god it all fucking sucks so much ass
>>97442008This was posted like 6 hours ago.
>>97441495>Reality FractureI hope we get this pair!
>>97441457Because of people like you who see a goblin in the art and think it should be a goblin spell.
>>97441482We're in an strixhaven block.
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