Blooming edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97462530>TQWhat Lorwyn Eclipsed cards did you underestimate or overestimate?
40 dollars credit got randomly added to my LGS account. what should i buy?
>>97472531the mothra reskin of luminous broodmoth.
How can we save Magic the Gathering?
>>97472556WWE Universes Beyond.
>>97472556by not buying the product
>>97472513i put this guy in my urabrask brawl deckdoubles burn spells, doubles cantripsfive mana is a lot for that deck but as long as he's actually in play he's great
I dare say this didn't age very well.
>>97462530
>>97472685>bad card cards
>>97472685>Commander that largeEven here it’s over…
>>97472685We gotta get some new material this is fucked up. Can't we invent some kind of new format to talk about?
>>97472556By continuing to not buy any product, of course. We all know that companies love to listen to the people who don't give them money.
>>97472685>Slop that bigKEK
>>97472513I remember when Llanowar Elves were gone from the Standard for a while as it was too "good". NuWOTC sucketh eggs.
>>97472685>chris help
Trust me in ten years players will be mad about the latest thing and nostalgic about Vivi Cauldron.
>>97472916ten years? I'd give it fivepeople have already been nostalgic over OG Eldraine
>>97472531Riftbound or PokemonTCG product.
>>97472685>play magic probably whiteHow accurate
>>97473042Is it? Probably asian more like.
>>97472685>completely retarded unplayable turtles
Pigs eat slop.
>>97473187
>>97472680Why? The joke is still funny.>>97472928OG eldraine was ok without the banned cards (oko,ouat,etc). Bonecrusher, the R&G artifacts, the shit knight tribal, the enchantments deck were miles better than what we have now. It was a somewhat slow format.
>>97473307>OG eldraine was ok without the banned cards (oko,ouat,etc)I'm dying to know, anon. How many cards do you think got banned from Eldraine in Standard alone, without looking it up?
>>97473307OG Eldraine had cards that got banned in standard and eternal formats. And the ones that didn't get banned more or less defined standard until rotation and afterward, pioneer. The fact that a card like Embercleave was lowish in powerlevel among all the Eldraine cards was all you needed to know, it was the Monstrous Rage of its time.
>>97473196fucking WOULD
>>97472556I know a way but unfortunately it isn't legal to describe here.
>>97473386
>>97473196This is a basic technique in sales. I guarantee you that crusty old white guys have been saying that shit for decades, if not more.
>>97473430It's literally the entire Trump playbook.
>>974733327 the number of god and 1 for each card type.
I rather have Oko, the original, and Uro and Winota than Donatello, Aang and Spock
>>97473568Spock is based.
I’m 90% sure premodern shilling is from a bunch of people who stocked up on the staples beforehand. The spam on here is to sell it even more. Just a fucking scam for retards. Fuck premodern. Fuck UB. Fuck commander. Play cube.
I've never played Magic but my friend showed me a bunch of stuff from a set called Bloomburrow, and I was winding for how much longer it's going to be a legal set? All of the little animals are cute so I think I'll try the game out.
>>97473941Next year. In Standard that is. It's forever legal in every* other format.
>>97472513>TQ>underestimateThe fact that any tribe that isn't elementals is capable of doing well (goblins have won a couple small tournaments, but that still counts) was a pleasant surprise to see. Even elves don't have any recent representation on mtgtop8.>overestimateI'm kinda surprised Lasting Tarfire doesn't have any decks on mtgtop8 yet. So many counters are getting thrown around that you'd think something that can theoretically shock every turn would be pretty good. Maybe it's because it doesn't make anything and it only hits at the end of each turn.
>>97473941My friend made his cube have cute creatures that were all quite strong for when femoids play. Personally I hate playing with women. But I'm stuck in a miserable marriage where I hate my fat retard wife. I'd leave but we have kids.My only outlet is magic but even that is being fucked and raped by corporate cunts.>parachute setsFucking clown.
>>97474068>any tribe that isn't elementalsI don't get what they were smoking to think that "cmc 4+" was a good theme for a tribe when mostly printing members of that tribe at cmc 3 and below.
>>97472531nothing other than sealed product unless you want to overpay for a suboptimal printing based on inventory
>>97472513>TQIt appears I underestimated Rimefire Torque but somewhere deep down I know this thing is going to end up 4of in something incredibly overpowered and probably be $30+ within a few years
>>97474150overestimated*
>>97473702He would be if he came as Spock - Legendary Creature in stead of>Spock, Kobiyashi Designer>Spock, the Science Officer>Spock, the First Officer>Spock, the Goatee'd>Spock, Vulcan Ambassador>Spock, Across Timelines>Spock, the Pon-farr Pozzedetc.
>>97474150make a janky UR goblin deck with instant and sorcery spells that make gobbo tokens. gobbos trigger the the torque, the torque copies your spells to put more counters on the torque. the windup is too hard to pull off and the payoff isn't worth it, it isn't for anything except kitchen table unfortunately. there may be a suboptimal standard brew somewhere for it to slot in but it isn't really the kind of card that will shape a format.
>>97473912the format is so boring. people don't appreciate how dull rishadan port is
>>97474178like anything else that's been 4of in the last ten years, all it takes is a way to cheat it in while feeding the engine for it to go from lame to busted
>>97473912So exactly what commander was before WotC took over the money engine by reprinting the staples.It's always been like this, and if you want to navel-gaze, you could say it's true of any grassroots movement. It's always the nobility sitting on depreciating assets who fabricate a flimsy call to the masses to buy into their cause so they can either make a quick buck or corner a new market.
>>97474094FIN had a pretty similar one and it was super strong. It's basically extra scaling value for your little dudes.
>>97472685>black bigger than whiteyou just know
>>97474191it is too slow. i would rather just use a reverberate to copy a spell than pay the two mana on an earlier turn and then have to charge it up before being able to copy a spell. it would be fun in edh in a wizard deck or a talrand deck, but 4-of formats have way better ways of winning the game faster and more reliably. needing to stick to a single creature type, needing to charge it up, needing to be both a creature and spellslinger type deck... too many hoops for a real competitive deck.
>>97474241yeah, maybe
>>97474215>that flavor textgoddamn it
>>97474256i'd love to be proven wrong, but i just don't see it working out.
I really have tried to like it but this game genuinely fucking sucks and might be the worst tabletop game in the world.It's Multiplayer Solitaire. All the fun of Solitaire, except 50% of the game you get to wait and watch the other guy play solitaire. It's garbage, son.
>>97474308play limited if you want a real game of magic and not solitaire.
>>97471253did you forget to check the sleeves for me, anon?
>>97472556Uma Musume Universes Beyond
>>97474325Going from competitive solitaire, to a cobbled together shit pit is not an improvement. Limited is worse than constructed.
>>97472556Founding Fathers UB
>>97474664If it's exactly the same thing as Start Your Engines! it should just be called Start Your Engines!
How has new Lorwyn srt affected tribal decks? Are they good finally? Or are they still shit?Wish my zom-bros were viable in modern.
>>97474723Congratulations, you've identified why Start Your Engines! and For Mirrodin! are shitty names for mechanics.
>>97471885holy moly bro wasn't lying >>>/pol/527382456
>>97474724Goblins are now tribal-aristocrats hybrid, elementals play like how dragon tribal decks usually play (lots of ramp, cheating and scamming), and everything else is broadly aggro with combo synergies via the convoke rares. The only deck that has seen serious competitive play has been elementals, but goblins have seen lower-level tournament success. While not really a tribal deck, dimir has developed a bit of a faeries subtheme now that the WOE faerie spells now have more enablers.
>>97474754craziest happening since mana crypt was banned from edh
>>97474754I still don’t know what mtg card this is related to. I looked up moot but this is all I found. Are the ents diddling children?
Im so sick of "mtg sucks" posts. You know what game doesnt have ub? You know what game isnt solitaire? Yugioh. Go to the yugioh thread and complain about mtg there
I bought ink eyes today because she's sexy
>>97473430>>97473484>white are to blame for [thing]>politics out of nowhere hhmmmm
>>97474173>>Spock, the Pon-farr Pozzedyou mean "Spocka" right?
>>97474902which version
>>97474933this one
>>97474902What about her statue?
>>97474738>Saddle and Crew>Could've been called Mount, still applicable and is living or inanimate agnostic>For Mirrodin>Could've been an actual non-shit use of the word Rally for something like "Rally a 1/1 Red Survivor" or something, but no gotta make it about the punHow's how they can make excellent decisions and absolutely drop the ball when it comes to mechanics they want to use (and in some circumstances, can't use because of said fuck up)?
>>97474953I don't have a resin printer
>>97474981Reasonable. I got very lucky seeing an ebay auction for one in very good condition for its age (all parts, one arm had broken but been repaired well) and am a dumb enough ratfucker to spend $600 on it.
>>97474951im running 2 in a dimir ninjas, shes still respectable with ninjitsu cost reduction.
>>97474963when has wotc made an "excellent decision" say, over the last 15years?
is there a place to get really good quality sleeves with custom imagery?
What the fuck am i supposed to build with these shitty ass pulls?
>>97475367>playing hearthstone with lands
>>97475325I am fond of the Masters sets and Tarkir, but other than that yeah you're right.
Did anyone else see that image of Bolas getting femdommed by a YuGiOh dragon?
>>97475334Your options are limited toDragon Shield, which forces you to have a white border and the DS logo at the bottomAlibaba printers, which require you to have a MOQ of 2000 or somethingTaobao custom printers, which can do small batches but aren't good quality
>>97475525Bolas is in jeffry epstein colors, so he probably enjoyed it and got three black mana
>>97475334dragon shield customs are good but as >>97475660 said they force a white border. For what it's worth the logo is tiny and you can customize what border you want kindahere's a picture of the last customs I gotalso they usually send 10-15 extras beyond the number you ordered so that's cool
>>97472685>literally Lorwyn came cope
which color/combination is most whimsypilled i'm going with izzet
>>97475741Izzet is a mistake.We need Purple to be Izzet police because is clear JOTC are unable of not making the color combination broken
>Sunderflock decks were the answer to CubRoid all along/mtg/ was wrong and gay once again
>>97475786rember when sunderflock was revealed and everyone said it was a bulk mythic only for draft?I remember
>>97475792To be fair, it's only good if elementals as a whole managed to be goodThat was a big unknown
>>97475786But I was told Lorwyn didn't have any impact on Standard!
>>97473368>Embercleavewas ok, a turn 3-4 end game card for red decks>questing beastpeople don't remember but an annoying midrange creature>gooseCool mana dork, slow and versatile>casketalmost every standard has one>brazen borrowerokey, this one was annoying>fae of wisheswas played for the sideboard tutoring>mystical disputeMana Leak>cauldron familiar and OvenOk, another retarded combo, but the deck was not near as toxic as vivi or lessons, etc(but was still shit vs fair decks)>murderous riderok card, people played but it was not that good>Ranklesometimes it was good other it was just ok>Bonecrusher GiantGood and really cool creature. It became a Staple but it is not a Staple because it is broken but because it is versatile. >Fervent Championok card.>Fires of Inventionwell, the deck could be annoying but 70% of the times it was just meh. Powerful card nonetheless, got more traction in Theros.>Robber of the Richesok Aggro card, not something crazy good.>Torbrancool card but I don't think it saw much play beside some mono red decks (cavalcate was still a thing for the first part of Eldraine in Standard, i think)>Adventure deckThat was obnoxious before the bans>Great Hengeok card.>Lovestruck beast & YorvoAmaze how those cards saw play in standard.>Drown in the LochReally powerfull and annoying>StoneCoil Serpentok card>Landsreally cool cycleEldraine was a cool powerful set, despite the banned cards. It has much of Fire bs but way toned down (considering where we are at).
Kawabunga!
>>97475792it's a rare tho
>>97474910no that would go back to being based, the Blight mechanic is fun
>>97474883>eat your slop, comply or die chill out asmongold
>>97475950To evaluate the power of the set and individual cards, count how many are still being played in Pioneer.>Embercleave. Not played anymore. Seen some play in Gruul Aggro for a bit.>Questing BeastRarely still played in Gruul Aggro or GDevotion.>GooseStaple of Sac decsk, generally played all around.>CasketMaybe fringe play in some artifact ensoul decks.>FaeStill played a lot in all manner of decks. >Mystical DisputePlayed a lot. Sideboard counter of choice.>cat ovenStill played a lot.>murderous riderStill sees some sideboard play.>RankleNot really>Bonecrusher GiantStaple. Deck is red, has to have one.>Fervent ChampionHammer Time staple. But not much else.>Fires of InventionOnly sees play in Enigmatic Incarnation. Archetype itself is fringe at best.>Robber of the RichOnly mono red aggro, but used to see play.>TorbranAlso only in mono red, but really fringe even in the archetype.>AdventureWas played for a while a bit. Not anymore.>LovestruckPlayed in Gruul Aggro. If the deck is played.>YorvoNope.>Drown in the LochYeah still sees some fringe play. In mill. In rogues.>StonecoilOnly in some of the some artifact decks.
>>97474308What format did you play? If legacy or some other combo centric format, then I can understand your problem. Combo decks like storm, enchantress, or any similar extremely linear combo decks have been plagues on the game since day one. Extremely linear aggro decks a well. I think that's your problem. Extremely linear aggro or combo decks. They're both just solitaire decks. The problem with MTG has generally been that decks can do too well without interaction due to either terrible ideas like storm or by making creatures have too strong abilities and too high of a power relative to their mana cost. It's been made even worse with the shift to a commander oriented philosophy since 2013. If anything, the game needs to go back to having disproportionate strong and cost effective interaction again in standard. i.e.>swords to plowshares>counterspell>fatal push>lightning bolt even if creature/planeswalker only>nature's claimand then bring the creature levels back do to the pre-Ravnica or even pre-Mirrodin levels. Still strong enough to do interesting things with them. Just not strong enough for every single creature to be an immediate threat.
>>97474883but I don't want to play vintage
>>97475786>>97475792I told you guys. You didn't listen.
>>97476317>bounce all opponent's creatures and swing for the winDid these guys just pick up mtg within the last year? It's no wonder you get so many people who complain about not being able to do anything because counterspells or interaction on this board. You niggers are just garbage players.
>>97475786>Right back to UR dominance metaI'm tired boss
>>97476450Red is the weakest color in commander so it needs more powerful cards
How is ProTour? Worth watching?
>>97476317I'm not really seeing the line of play. What happens, do you cast Beza and then this? I'm looking at the Elementals in Standard.
>>97476461no
>>97476485>line of playGet elementals into play, at least one or two 3-5 cost elementals in the bunch. Enough to do lifetotal damage. If opponent is playing no elementals, you put down sunderflock to bounce their board for between 2-4 mana then attack for lethal.
>>97476461>Watching or playing Magic:The Gathering in year of our lord twenty twentysixLOLLMAO even.
Just 1 more 4-5 mana sweeper and O-Ring variant white bros and then we'll be meta. Trust the plan!
>>97476485Either you run eddymurk and hearth elemental which both get discounted from instant/sorcery spam, or you go ashling and flamebraider to ramp into all the new ECL hybrid evokementals
Oh boy. TMNT looks like ABSOLUTE cinema!
>>97476461I was watching it. It's awful. I feel stupid for watching it and think I was the dumbest person for ever watching it in the past.I seriously don't know what the appeal is. None of the casters know the meta to make any meaningful commentary, they're surprised when some decks do something. Granted, I don't know what the fuck the meta is either but it doesn't take a genius to read the card and watch it do the thing. It's shocking that the people in the booth still sound like sappy happy people just like it was with BDM and Hagon. Who the fuck do they want watching this? There are no charismatic casters or players. The players are the saddest sounding people ever. Nassif is there and they haven't shoved the camera in his face and asked him to shit talk anything.
>>97476518Thank you. It sounds Christmas Land to me but I don't know what's going on. It seems like people are casting Lightning Helixes so those fat elementals would survive.
>>97476569It's not really Christmas Land when you're already doing things you should already be doing, such as casting noncreature spells, playing mana dorks (I think another competitive deck plays those...), casting things for an alternative cost, etc. Worst case scenario it's a 9-mana spell after you get wiped, but most of the time your opponent will have wiped themselves as well.
>>97476506>posting in generals for games he doesn't watch or playsad
>>97476569The UR version is basically just a UR lessons variant, instead of running lessons that pay off with gran gran and that one removal, you get to run better spells which pay off with your big elementals. The other one is basically elemental tribal. Half the evokementals have some sort of removal on ETB so you can deal with aggro, and between cavern of souls, eclipsed realms, ashling, and flamebraider you can actually run 3c or 4c and still enable all those different effects. I've even seen some lists with roaming throne, imo that's actual christmasland but maybe it works.
>>97476780i have to warn others
>>97476744>>97476790I would love to play this if I wanted to play Standard. The run on Elementals has already happened at all the stores in my country. Not that I would have bought the deck but sending instants and sorceries to the yard to ramp is novel to me and would be interesting to learn.I wish the game was more affordable. I simply don't want to pay $40 for a playset of Stock Up even if I can afford it. People shit on EDH and Pauper players for ramping up the prices but Standard has never been different. I'm sure people are going to be flipping Sunderflock for 400% margin.
>>97476816Hopefully SOS will lower the price.
>>97476963A lot of Magic is hoping the price goes down in X months because Wizards might help. It never does. By the time it goes down for this card, the price of that card goes up. And because this cycle is so predictable, people can buy up and speculate on large swaths of cards because any losses in 10% of cards are offset by the fact Wizards won't reprint the other 90% in anything except a Secret Lair. And now we are extra certain because something like Badgermole Cub has two words in the name and textbox that are almost certainly not licensed beyond this one printing.
WotC should do anime Secret Lairs to try selling for Japan.If I had any say in this I would make Jujutsu Kaisen Secret Lair... (ride the Hype of the anime)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yb2N3pnztU
Would i be trolling if i play Jeskai control with all these new stuff?
>>97474173I will make a mirror universe deck
>>97474173Im so ready for at least 3 Kirk cards...And Q Planeswalker obviously with an ability that wins you the game instantly.
Picrel is due for a reprint with new art, I can't believe they've printed it nearly a dozen times and have just stuck with this ugly art depicting some nig's back for the entire time
So, now that the dust has settled, was Lorwyn Eclipsed as underpowered and forgettable as everyone here was convinced it would be?
>>97477706honestly, yeah. it's pretty lame except for those hybrid evoke elementals and hexing squelcher. i like mutable explorer and twilight diviner as well, but they are kind of nothing burgers.
>>97477706Look at PT. They intentionally fucking the only good set of the year.
>>97477706The precons are full of cool new toys, the was fun in limited and I personally got a few cards to throw into a bunch of decks. Don't know if bad at evaluating or just pot stirring.
>>97477706https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/standard-challenge-32-2026-01-30#paperit has a lot of playables, this is from the latest standard challenge
>>97477839nonono you have to believe me, it's a shit set, don't look at the numbers, give up on UW, consume UB
>>97477706>So, now that the dust has settled, was Lorwyn Eclipsed as underpowered and forgettable as everyone here was convinced it would be?Yeah pretty much. Shit limited format, trash story and boring design. Easily D tier. Not quite MKM or DFT levels of trash, but it was pretty trash.I can only assume that ECL was their "maximum effort" design, considering the prestige surrounding it. This does not bode well.
Trying to play Maralen in standardAny changes you would make?https://moxfield.com/decks/fVSAWg9Tbk6zuwuM3sqjDg
>>97477839Speaker is solid. Standard is a cesspit of repulsive combos, a tutor that curves perfectly into them was bound to see play.Spell snare also, obviousliy, and I mean come the fuck on with the shocklands lmao. Those are crutches they staple to every set to pad value, they don't even belong in Lorwyn.But, you can't really judge the set off of events soon after release. People are still testing shit cards to see what fits.
>>97477839A lot in that list are Shocklands
>>97478003>a lot>5 of the 24Sure I guess? But even cutting off the 5 is still a decent handful.
>>97475950Bonecrusher Giant effectively filtered out a lot of cool creatures out of Standard and Cat + oven destroyed aggro as an archetype for years in both Standard and Pioneer. Fires was complete cancer. Questing Beast was not crazy powerful but it was the forerunner of WORDS WORDS WORDS on cards. Eldraine,even without the banned cards was horrible for the game and Magic never went back to what it was after it. I will hate it for many years.
Damn we are called out by the weirdoIt is so Over.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfDMumdrdyk
>>97478139Buy an ad.
>>97478139*beingUniverses Beyond is a stain to this game, worse even than the gay sauna bear card.
>>97477399They should make the Creature World from Duel Masters an anime plane and adapt it with the Magic the Gathering mangas that exist.
>>97478139>>97478148Buy an ad
Beyblade UB WHEN?
>>97478139>unironically literally no joking a tranny videokillyourself
>>97478148The damage is irreparable? Nothing can be done about UB?
>>97478322The only thing I can think of that could reverse the current course is Hasbro going under.
>>97474204They told on themselves. Whenever you bring up just proxying premodern cards they flip their shit. Be careful out there, many scammers who want to take advantage of chuds.
>>97478322Because of the amount of money UB makes, there is basically nothing to stop it. The only way would be if the money stopped. If the players stopped buying it or if the IP holders universally refused to take Wizards' licensing money but that's as likely as people not doing drugs and IP holders falling out of love with money. It's management's job to make money - no change in management will ever change this even if Hasbro dies because someone will buy Magic.People joke here that they want Elon Musk to buy it and change it and that is the only way to stop UB. And I don't mean just any billionaire like the Saudis, it has to specifically be him because he has demonstrated he is willing to overpay tens of billions for something and then turn it into shit for no reason other than self-gratification like he did for Twitter. And even then it's just a hope because he's a slop-whore he may just do more UB but for things he likes but at least we won't get Ghostbusters dogshit.
>>97477706This card has long term potential in creature combo and toolbox decks.
>>97477706They needed to seriously de-bowdlerize the fucking elvesThese pussies were a disgrace
>>97475525no but can you show me?
>>97477839Need to give it more time to see what actually sticks.
>>97476461Why would I care about yet another year of kikety nonwhite standard meta decks? It’s the same as every kike year
playpremodern
>>97479444FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING SHILL I WON’T BUY YOUR OVERPRICED SHIT!!!! GO ASTROTURF SOMEWHERE ELSE CUNT!!!!!
>>97479482most proxy welcoming format
do i make a bogles or elves pauper deck? or something else? i have black sac and am looking for a 2nd deck
>>97479514Pure coincidence all the staples have gone through the roof then? Fuck you faggot
>>97479753wow scalpers scalp investors investbuy silver
>>97479774My index funs have done extremely well. I don’t invest in hobbies because I’m not an insufferable cunt.
Hey everyone. This is my Brawl commander, and I am really excited for her.
>Every card is simultaneously OPT as a sorcery because coomander can't handle even the most telegraphed combos on the planet>Yet every single creature is a value engine that sets itself up even if it's a 1-drop because coomander players find it too hard to build around cards that actually ask you to do somethingWell, that's it. We are now officially worse than YuGiOh.
>>97479991>We are now officially worse than YuGiOh.Been worse for a long ass time. At least with YGO, the games are fast so you don't have to suffer.
>>97474883Eat shit Gavin
>>97474883I play both and YGO is better.
>>97475367You have 5 elemental cards that can be a good start. The 2 mana rocks, the 2 3/3 flyer, the elemental rare. Figure out from there.
>>97476161Actually it's more like Legacy but they don't pretend Grief isn't an issue for 2 years (they learned after Firewall Dragon)
>>97474883>Doesn't have UBIt's just in the same family and irrelevant, while Magic's stuff is pushed.
>>97474068>I'm kinda surprised Lasting Tarfire doesn't have any decks on mtgtop8 yet. So many counters are getting thrown around that you'd think something that can theoretically shock every turn would be pretty good. Maybe it's because it doesn't make anything and it only hits at the end of each turn.It's already been pretty great in my fun grindy battlecruiser games.
>>97480006>Yu-Gi-Oh games>FastMaybe in terms of turn count lol but you can play several turns of magic in the time it takes a Yu-Gi-Oh player to get halfway through their combo, lord help you if you're going second and don't open any hand traps too and have to just sit their the entire time
>>97480409Yeah I agree it's much better in Magic where if you go second you can concede instantly because your winrate is going to be 35% in game 1 (YGO has it at 45%).
>>97480501>Yeah I agree it's much better in Magic where if you go second you can concede instantly because your winrate is going to be 35% in game 1It's sub-30% in MTG lmao.
>>97479482>he doesn't already own all his Legacy staplesEmbarrassing post
>>97480567That's actually unbelievably bad lmaoGot a source for it? I want to share it somewhere else if true.
>>97480639no
Why is this card banned in Legacy?
>>97480699muh force of will
>>97480699>1-drop that reads "Force or lose">Hmm... why is this banned...
>>97480501MtG somehow got to a point where it needs handtraps for turn-0 interaction but doesn't have them.
>>97480972Correction: I was referring to standard specifically. Legacy has Force of Will.
>>97480972Mark seems to have it in his head that printing good interaction is admitting defeat, so we have shit like a 1-drop that literally can't be removed at same rate in Standard because it doesn't die to Stab or Shock.
>>97480978erm
>>97480978It's so fucking wild that Cecil sees zero play, zero play in standard. B, 2/3 with deathtouch and an upside. ZERO PLAY
>>97481030Bulk mythic.Thank F.I.R.E.
>>97481030"upside" is arguarble. It's extremely rare for cecil to flip and thus a 2/3 deathtouch with downside isn't that good
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>>97481087I actually sold my magic cards over this, granted I only got magic because Arena came out and I thought Amonkhet was cool but still, that was 9 years ago...>>97481091>"upside" is arguarble. It's extremely rare for cecil to flipThis is true now but it would've been extremely strong in modern just 5 years ago. It's 1 mana, 2/3 with deathtouch. It trades well with everything, bolt, goyf etc etc. It's a human so humans would've played itIt decreases your life so deathshadow decks would've played itIt's a good generic beater for 1 cmc so jund would play it I'd say if Wizards would've printed Cecil instead of orcish bowmasters it would've seen play
>>97481145And by over this I mean pushed FF cards not seeing play, not the questing beast
>>97481145Shadow did play Cecil for a bit but Moonshadow is just the superior one now
>>97481030>upsideAnti Lifelink is a downside bro
>>97481030Part of that is because the only viable black decks currently are reanimator scams with that Spiderman card. It saw play in dmir midrange but that shit can't keep up with the current cancer
>Tired of UB cards just being stupid unfun to look at let alone play against.>Tired of players scooping the second they don't top deck whatever or getting something countered tilts them.>Tired of looking at my old cards like looking at old yearbook photos.>Part of me still has hope that Secrets of Strixhaven is that it's just Shadowmoor / ECL part 2 - the huge amount of stuff that was missed for ECL.>Part of me hopes that UB will slow down and we go back to having more MTG in the game. I am keen for Trek, but literally everything else outside of main sets is like crayons over the furniture.I don't know bros, I still love to play and brew cube, but I have the general thought of current mtg is trying to push me away. Maybe I'm just boomer as fuck and remember the good ol' days without the vitriol I had at the time, but I remember playing each set that came out and being surprised that I enjoyed it.I tried playing ATLA, it's ugly as shit fan art level cards and people are going on about the show more than the game and fair but fuck me play the game at hand first. I don't want to watch it, and you don't need to give me a synopsis, two other people already did that.I tried Spooderman and I don't even need to say shit about it. And now I am meant to be trying TMNT? Can we go back to 2 set blocks please. I will take Jacestice league again at this point holy shit.
You told me The Legend of Korra is shit, so I decided to watch it not trusting you (hello Cori Steel Cutter), and it's so fucking good. The two-parter about the first Avatar in the second season, so good. The art style so good.I would much rather have Korra UB than fucking turtles UB.
>>97480699because it's a better colorless veil of summer you can get with urza's saga, having this in play wins the game against 99% of the interaction used in the format to deal with spells on the stack + you also randomly hose other free spells like endurance/force of vigor/snuff out etc, you can also just sacrifice it to draw a card if you want to play a bunch of free mana then play another one it clearly was supposed to cost 2 mana or not let you cycle it but modern horizons sets aren't known for well balanced cards
At what price do you just say fuck it and order proxies?MPC is just $2 more and I can have a much stronger deck
>>97481227i'm sorry, but you've been diagnosed with terminal shittaste
>watch Pro Tour>top 8>guy keeps a one land hand, then scoops turn 3
You all told me Standard was a Izzet dominated format... I see a ton of non-Izzet decks in PT
>>97481295he's just like me
>>97481278the only good thing about retards like you who are just parroting something you read once is how easy you are to identify now that everyone is super autistic about their echo chamber of choice>>97481227yeah its good, much better than 90% of animation - especially if you just accept the production issues around the disjointed seasons for what they are and treat the marvel quippiness like commercial breaks and understand they're an inevitable producer intervention of the time (and weren't nearly so tired at that point as they are today.) most people who dislike it weren't fans of the original or have some weird hangup where you'll find after one or two questions that it's /pol/ tier retardation or they expected it to be CSI: Avatar or some shit FoR aDuLtS
>>97481233It was designed for Commander.Hoses free spells = Feels bad the mean blue player stopped my Insurrection :(Cycling = Well what if I draw this and I didn't want it? That would be a feelsbad :(However as Hexing Squelcher is going to prove, no matter how much of a complete fucking blowout you make the counterspell hate, people will still refuse to run it because they would rather bitch about blue.
>>97481433more importantly Ninja Turtles haven't been a thing outside of pure, concentrated autismodium and increasingly niche film adaptations for like thirty yearsits insulting in that you can see the clear thread straight from the boardroom to "their nostalgia will purchase anything!" in a way you can't even with the Star Trek UB
>>97481444So what are the odds the Star Trek UB has a notable focus on the nu-Star Trek with shit like Starfleet Academy?
>>97481452I really would pay to not have Star Trek at all... Even old Kirk show focused set will be as horrible as TMNT.
>>97481452The all art we've seen so far is from TOS TNGm no?
>>97481452i think the hope is that the older licenses will be cheaper and the set will be saved by that fact alone>>97481456i think we're all just in it for the Spock cards, if we're being real. maybe an enterprise or phaser artifact and some red hammy klingons could be kino, too.i guess i shouldn't forget the necessary Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra saga
Tasha Yar better be in and her tits better be bangin
>>97481452It's not a bet. They've explicitly said they have timed the Star Trek and Ninja Turtles releases with this year's products. This year is Ninja Turtles' 40th anniversary or something.Is it really that difficult to believe that corporations time releases to maximize the marketing cross over? Isn't some Avatar shit happening this year or last year?
If they don't make Q a PW I don't know what they are doing
>>97481456Too bad. It's too late. UB is here to stay. At best you can try to find some silver linings, if you want to continue playing this game.
>>97472556I imagine magic could be saved if they made some real collaborations, like MTG: Playmates in Bed, MTG: Blacked, MTG: John Holmes or MTG: Best of Brazzers
>>97481191mono decks should be the focus of mtg in such a way that only very rare genius metabreaks result in multicolor decks, but we'll never see that again because the designers are more interested in taking online quizzes that tell them what colors The Hamburglar would be
>>97472685does it count multiple instances in the same post?btw why have everyone dropped incel as a buzzword, I never see anyone call an anon incel even though they're 100% are incel, so I wonder why incel is smaller than lsop, cuz I thought incel would be a big incel word in this incel swamp
>>97481509probably because its a punching down word for women who are obsessed with their own precarious sexual value, there are no women in here, and magic the gathering players post-2010 have no one to punch down on
>>97475367that's a rough pool>>97480225I'd go hard into blue red tempo and hope you can squeeze out a win or two by countering/bouncing their blockers at the right moment, maybe play a few of the red giant who can remove blockers
>>97481548bah, I cropped out the flash changeling and the simic two drop.. cut the stone, the percher, the farewell and the curiosity for the two 2-drops and a couple of b-brutes
>>97481145How does Cecil trade well with bolt? Burn is happy to remove a creature while still dealing 3 to you.
I'm trying to make a list of the 10 weirdest MtG cards. With that said, I'm also trying to avoid too much focus on early shit like dexterity cards (though they will probably get an honorable mention). What do you think of my list so far:>Green Sun's Zenith>Goblin Game>Raging River>Panglacial Worm>Burning of Xinye>Emperor Crocodile*>Dryad Arbor>Animate Dead>Shahrazad>Serum Powder I'm thinking of cutting Emperor Crocodile because I've found a few more examples of cards that work like it does although they aren't creatures (Drop of Honey probably being the best known).
>>97481627this one
>>97481627what's so weird about green sun's zenith and burning of xinye?i'd replace them with space beleren and equinox
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>>97481641That's a solid pick. I think it occupies similar space to Animate Dead and, when possible, I tried to avoid Future Sight cards if there was a similar card from a non-TSP block set.As I see it, Animate Dead could be argued as weirder because it changes from one aura type to another but I like how Volute is on the battlefield enchanting something that is not on the battlefield so that is definitely a point in its favor.
I want go back to blocks please.
>>97481701Blocks are incompatible with the commander pipeline.
>>97481678>GSZThe back to back double shuffling is weird.>Burning of XinyeOne of the few cards that does not use 'target' or 'choose' or anything similar when it comes to destroying the lands. This leads to some funky interactions with indestructible lands. You CANNOT destroy an indestructible land as part of the spell's resolution so if you have 3 darksteel citadels and 4 islands you have to destroy your own islands.On the other hand, if you had an indestructible land you wanted to get rid of (perhaps your opponent has a Primal Order or runs a lot of Price of Progress or something) you would NOT be able to destroy it in the same way you could if Burning said "Sacrifice".
>>97481701Financial failure, bozo.The line must go UP!!!
>>97481713This was considered but I consider it a misprint more than an actual 'weird' card. Oracle text makes it very clear what the card does. Similarly, I didn't include Serendib Efreet that was printed as a green card or that one mono-g removal spell (Desert Twister?) that was printed as a blue card.>>97481678Unsets were left out of consideration even after WotC made the retarded decision to allow some of them in black-bordered Magic.
>>97481733thank god i play with friends and am largely inundated against retarded decisions like that but now i'm compelled by good friendship to ask what the most annoying unset cards are so that i can surprise them with it as a gag
>>97481749Annoying by what metric? I think that Ashnod's Coupon is up there as are most of the "Gotcha" cards but especially "Stop That", "Spell Counter", and "Cardpecker".Richard Garfield P.H.D is obnoxious to play against. Cheatyface is, in my opinion, very fun but a lot of other people disagree.I'm less familiar with cards from Unstable and actively stopped giving a shit about unsets after that so I don't know about anything from Unfinity and beyond. From the ones legal in black border, I imagine stickers would be the worst. Particularly if you put a sticker on someone else's card (eg: with a threaten effect).
