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>>97478170ANARCH thread>Which sect has the baddest bitches?The Anarchs, see pic related>Which sect has the best characters in the only meaningful VTM content outside of the tabletop?see all of bloodlines 1 for more information, you'll realize its the Anarchs.>Wait there is another path besides being my sire's eternal bitch slave, or a lunatic noddist religious wackjob?Why_Do_You_Obey?.pdfOh ya, I'm thinking its time for Anarchy.
she black my spiral til I dance
>>97478196*INCORRECT BUZZER*
>>97478170>2 Thread QuestionsAre you fucking retarded? Might as well just have a whole questionnaire while you’re at it.
>>97478170>TQYes. In my experience, minor splats mix in easier than major splats mix with each other. I'm generally talking nWoD/CofD here, but that's generally because nWoD has way more minor splats and certainly more minor splats not explicitly tied to a major splat. I love me some Immortals, Skinchangers, and Inferno.
Mpreg is a fetish propagated by the Wyrm.
>>97478170What does mixing minor and major splats mean here? Like you mean vamps with ghouls or you mean doing it cross-splats?
>>97478210I knew I should've killed myself instead of making a new thread I can never do anything right
>>97478170>Mixing minor and major splats: Y/N?In my old CofD mixed-splat games, one of the characters was just an 'Extraordinary Human', and he had a blast. >alt TQ: last time you died ingame?My ST doesn't kill PCs; he has too much fun coming up with colorful alternatives for failure.
Anarchs are retarded and cringe.Tremere thaumaturgists can become any splat.Werewolves are retarded and cringe.Every other splat only exists because the Technocracy allows it.Changelings are retarded and cringe.Vampire the Masquerade is the only real World of Darkness game.Traditions are retarded and cringe.The Weaver is objectively altruistic and benevolent.Ethnic clans are retarded and cringe.Being a true punk means grinding all of these special snowflake splats into extinction.Brujah are retarded and cringe.You are a species traitor if you play anything other than a non-Imbued hunter or Technocrat.Imbued are retarded and cringe.Every single World of Darkness game should revolve around Chicago By Night political intrigue.Animalism clans are retarded and cringe.If you weren't introduced to the World of Darkness by Bloodlines then you don't understand the soul of the game.Mummies are retarded and cringe.
>>97478228No. GirlbossXboywife ending in mpreg is the purest form of gaia worshipForcefemming the awoos is the only way to stop them being rerarded long enough to make them stop destroying the world.
>>97478203Mage is really an exercise of how well you can actually roleplay (as a group) just like Wraith. It involves a lot of consistent nonsense and self-policing to make a character that's not just a schizophrenic, but a sensible and tonally consistent schizophrenic who would be right at home in an entirely different type of fantasy RPG. That's honestly based, and I can see why a lot of anons and groups struggle to run it since you actually have to do something to engage with it properly that many players are not willing to do as proven by Paladins in DnD (self-policing your roleplay even when it isn't convenient)
*re-embraces your character and turns you into a baali*So if I'm reading this correctly, you lose your original clan and fully become a member of the Baali. Does this mean this can reverse the Nosferatu curse, or are the nossies fucked and they remain a 0 App demon worshipers?
>>97478293I would rather skin myself alive and take an acid bath than try to play a Traditional mage in good faith. I refuse to immerse myself in the mental illness of someone who genuinely believes in Wiccan shit or mystical martial arts. I cannot think of anything more cringe.
>>97478228>>97478287Won't stop me from trying with my Ahroun boyfriend from the Get
>>97478326You have 7-8 other choices, and you can always spin your bullshit around non-wiccan stuff.
>>97478337Almost all of those other choices are mentally ill too.Seriously, I cannot imagine anyone here stooping so low that they'd genuinely roleplay as a character who actually believes in and earnestly engages in Native American dream-walking, karmic school-shooting, stoner culture and the rest. It's a humiliation ritual, like playing Werewolf the Apocalypse.
>>97478316the character replaces their clan with the baali clan completely. infernalism in general has shown the ability to overpower clans curses: in one of the dark age books (i think it was ashen cult) there is a infernalist nosferatu who is allowed to stay beautiful as long as he periodically sacrifices people
>>97478281You had me until you said Imbued were retarded and cringe. I can accept that my Anarchs MAY be retarded but IMBUED??? The imbued fucking rock.
>>97478281>Vampire the Masquerade is the only real World of Darkness game.>Every single World of Darkness game should revolve around Chicago By Night political intrigue.>If you weren't introduced to the World of Darkness by Bloodlines then you don't understand the soul of the game.You aren't going to gaslight me into believing that these aren't true.
>>97478362>play a game that asks you to roleplay a character archetype who's fundamentally insane because they have a warped view of the underlying current of reality and therefore get to act upon it through sheer force of will>not willing to commit to thatJust use sorcerers instead of mages if that's such a big problem. You might as well go like>I cannot imagine anyone here stooping so low that they'd genuinely roleplay a prophetic schizophrenic connected to an insightful gestalt entity made up of other prophetic schizophrenics and engage earnestly in being a quirky character who says things that don't make senseYou might as well not play a Malkavian or any character with issues
Is your PC a competent fighter?
>Replying to the same 'ol baitHe's replying to himself or anons are retarded, call it.
>>97478514Tough call. The baiter is cringe and retarded regardless.
>>97478514I will willingly fall for bait, not much time out of my day
>>97478498Yes. After killing a big fucking bane, I might have an opportunity coming up at a Moot to demonstrate this: our bumbling Theurge laid his hands on a shrinking violet Theurge from another sept during the festival we're investigating. I was occupied playing her band's set and couldn't do anything while the other pack's Ahroun came over and decked the stupid out of my pack's Theurge (I was sweating the Composure roll because of Rage die but came away with four successes). This while our Ragabash got given the slip by another Ragabash that he had started tailing.All of that happened before we had to approach this other pack for help: the Dissonance Gestalt has infected dozens of festival goers so they're going to keep them off our back. Thankfully they had a fourth Garou from their sept that is old friends with my Nuncle leading them on this mission :^)
>>97478741forgot to mention, the other pack said that they have business with our Theurge once the Bane is taken care of, hence the part about the Moot
>>97478170I had a guy "Old Jack" that was made for the express purpose of being the king of minor splats in CofD. A former promethean dhampir stigmatic wolfblooded faetouched etc. + Hunter. He operated at least a little bit in every world & was a mentor for the party
I just want to be a mage so I can do stupid wuxia shenanigans or be a gunslinger trickshooter without being a vampire or some other shit on top of that. I don't care about your powerscaling fuckery.
>>97478498When she rolls for attack but you roll gor penetration
>>97478316You would scrub the Nossie curse so while you are still ugly, youd at least be able to improve your appearance & fix your shit with XP vicissitude etc
>>97478805erm... but it's not GOTHIC and based in POP CULTURE
>>97478170>TQYes, every PC deserves a minor and a major splat.
>>97478805Ive always wanted to play a guy who sees the Atom as the truth. Kinda like how the Higgs Boson is supposed to control gravity or whatever, as a component of atoms. If you use "quantum metaphysics" or some shit & control everything by manipulating atoms & super "meta"string theory or whatever. Like humming a tone to a resonant frequency to bring down a building's structure.I also want to play a mage who thinks the world runs on narrative beats. So he's constantly moving & working with the idea that everything that happens happens because its part of a narrative & he makes changes to reality through protagonist syndrome & calling the ST out on writing a "bad script". Like declaring that the story has been too gloomy of late so he tries some jokes & forces some buddy cop tropes so that when they get into a fight with some goons, slapstick stuff happens>>97478805 & takes the bad guys out. Or waiting until a bomb is at 0:01 to fry its circuits. Using a bad cross dressing disguise to get into places because everyone knows that whenever a man dresses like a woman he instantly becomes really hot to the villain or some other dude & it helps progress the story.
>>97478908That's kind of a based character concept. I figure that's how mage is just supposed to be. It's fine some people don't want to put in the legwork to actually make Paradigms fit because "it's not very WoD" or something like that.
Where is hedgefag
“The entire world is on fire and they have chainsaws for hands, yet there's not a single tree in sight.”Werewolf: The Apocalypse
>>97478991He can't post anymore.
Werewolves are all retarded, so retarded in fact that they're literally responsible for everything wrong with the world, they tried to genocide humanity so hard that all humans are genetically terrified of them but they became blubbering bitches as soon as humans figured out how to wield silver, they exterminated all of the other shapeshifters responsible for actually looking after the world, they're basically responsible for driving the Weaver insane which is what led to the Wyrm being imprisoned and the Wyrm going insane, they're genuinely retarded and responsible for all of the worst shit in the setting, it wouldn't be the World of Darkness if the Garou were even a tiny bit less retarded, you seriously wouldn't believe just how retarded the Garou are, even after hundreds of generations of constantly fucking up and making things worse for everyone, they're still retarded, they're still clinging to the same old traditions, the entire setting would be a million times better and brighter if Gaia never made them, these retards are original sin made manifest, there genuinely isn't anyone anywhere near as retarded as the Garou are in any other setting ever, there is almost no fight that the Garou would not fumble and end up losing, they are just that retarded, they even try to exterminate each other in their retardation without realising how much worse they are making the world, they really are the source of all of the World of Darkness's problems, that's how retarded they are.
Do you not know how retarded werewolves are? The Garou are responsible for everything wrong with the World of Darkness, at least everything wrong with Werewolf the Apocalypse, that's how retarded they are. Basically the only retarded thing that they're not responsible for is God cursing Caine, but I think a part of Caine's curse is cursing him to exist on the same retarded planet as the fucking Garou. It's their retardation that is responsible for the Weaver going mad, which led to the Wyrm going mad. It's their retardation that is responsible for the biggest genocide in almost any fictional setting, so severe and so retarded that they literally made humans so scared of their retardation that it's encoded into their genetic memory. It's their retardation that is responsible for the War of Rage and wiping out all of the other Fera who are nowhere near as retarded and actually did the fucking jobs that Gaia assigned them, unlike the retarded Garou. If the Garou didn't do any single one of those three majorly retarded sins, the World of Darkness wouldn't exist because everything would be sunshine and roses, but no, it's their retardation that is responsible for everything going back. It doesn't stop there either. They're so retarded that they're constantly battling each other over territory even though they have an apocalypse to stop. They're so retarded that they cling to the most retarded traditions imaginable even though it cripples their ability to stop any apocalypse. They're so retarded that even though they're the strongest splat straight out of character creation, they're still fucking losing and failing to stop the Apocalypse. They're so retarded that they have literally never done anything good for Gaia at once in their miserable fucking history even though that's the sole thing that they exist for. It's fucking offensive that you think that any other splat could ever come anywhere close to being as retarded as the werewolves are.
>>97479008>Werewolves are responsible for everything wrong with the worldCaine*, Lilith*, Charon*, Saulot*
>>97479014Nope. Werewolves.
damn he's so out of ideas he's posting copypastas nowI can feel this nigga's Banality growing
>>97479014Forgot about Lucifer
>>97479014>>97479023>>97479026>Forgetting that oWoD is multiple parallel universes
>>97478984Don't get me wrong. I am sort of one of those people. I hate Mage & its stupid rules & paradigm bullshit. Its supposed to be dark gothic urban fantasy. & paradigms are just way too freeform for me to accept them in that context. I would rather have Pillars & Foundations & no avatars. Id prefer the Technocracy as asshole oil barons & capitalist exploitative tycoons finding Nodes & destroying them to refine them into power crystal bullshit that powers their super tech, than to just have handwave paradigm super tech as magic. I fucking hate paradox & all of that nonsense & would just prefer more classical magic systems & identities.But that being said. I dont hate the idea of consensus & paradigms being used in a game, just not WoD. If Mage was its own thing, in its own setting & had different base themes, itd be fine. Like, if it was about Consensus then Magic woukd only be a single fragment of that Consensus. You'd have my narrative guy standing next to a Harry Potter larper & a super scientist & dude who only believes in luck & another dude who thinks its God, & another who thinks its a video game & its not just "magic" & "Mages" its Reality warpers warping reality to fit their idea. Paradigm would be way more important & far less set dressing. My narrative guy doesnt believe in magic. He believes in a good story. Magic never factors into his paradigm at all so why would he treat it like magic with extra steps?There's still threads of commonality. Like Focuses, Lynchpins, "Rituals"So for narrative guy its something likeCheckovs Gun (Focus)Fruit Stand (Lynchpin)Big group bonding moment before the climax (Ritual)For a mage it would beWand (Focus)Voodoo Doll (Lynchpin)Magic Ritual (Ritual)For a Simulation HackerCellphone (Focus)Traffic Signal (Lynchpin)Hours long hacking session (Ritual)Two out of three dont believe in magic, but they do believe in a paradigm that requires Foci &Rituals &whatnot. But there's no Quintessence or Awakenings
>>97478498>ecstatic attempts to learn do.mp4
I like the meme that woofs r tarded
>>97479026>>97479037Lucifer is a based humaniboo (sometimes)
>>97479088Ars Magica but modern could be cool, but it's also just Mage
>>97479008>>97479010>>97479023>
>>97479088So yeah, I love to buy in on a cool paradigm, & i think a game based around conflicting paradigms all at once would be cool as shit. But only outside the concepts of WoD. It needs its own room to breath to be fully developed. Also Spheres suck so much hot ass. Make paradigms the focus & set up required to do shit. You need to immerse yourself into the mindset of your paradigm first & think about mechanics afterwards. I mean. The most advantageous paradigm you can have in WoD is to believe in a 9 Sphere Meta Physics Paradigm & that allows for magic energy & that energy to be used with the scientific method. That way you can exploit anything. Its lame. Making a piano fall shouldn't require x amount of this Sphere or that Sphere. It shoukd require you to have a compatible paradigm (storytelling) & then to bring appropriate circumstances to play (paint an x & then get someone to stand on it)
>>97479118Bro, why can't the weaver kill that stupid space snake?
>>97479105>Ars MagicaI downloaded the "definitive edition" 15 minutes ago and... what the hell, why is the art so shitty?Still, I'm having fun making a pc.
>>97479125weaver wants to destroy nothing, even destructionnot kidding the weaver is tsundere for the wyrm. One apocalypse ending even features fixing the cosmos by getting them to fuck
>>97479105Ars Magica but even more open. I want the idea that magic isnt real to be a possibility. Its the ultimate game of Calvinball. Like in a fight you could even use my own paradigm against me even if its not part of your paradigm, like say, use Feng Shui earth magic to swap the X under the piano to under me instead. This results in a rube goldberg scenario where I end up with something flying to hit me instead if the piano falling on you.
>>97479135It's old as hell. Also the new edition is a bit on the lower budget
>>97479138And make Wyld sit in the cuck queen chair?
>>97479138>One apocalypse ending even features fixing the cosmos by getting them to fuckWhat woman wrote this?
>>97479147>Also the new edition is a bit on the lower budgetYeah, that's was pretty evident.Still, making a PC is Ars Magica is always fun.
>>97479118kek
>>97479169>>97479118We need the other one to make it complete. Or maybe gaia too?
If you could date any methuselah or antediluvian who would you pick? Assume they will love you forever and ever (and ever)
>>97479181Didn't know the dead could post
>>97479150it SHOULD be presented as more of a threesomeoWoD could have gotten away with it too, putting that in writing would give the ick to nowadays players
>>97479189Yeah, it really should have been Wyrm fucking them both into hot sexy harmony. Maybe Johnny is on to something...
>>97479186Tzimisce duhhh
>>97479186Cuddles with Ennoia in the Earth's mantle forever
>>97479215You get vored by a mass of flesh and live inside its guts (shaped like a 5-star hotel funnily enough) >>97479223I like you
>>97479186Ilyes did nothing wrong or perhaps set but only from that one timeline where he wipes out his enitre clan for being cringe
>>97479186Sex with campire chicks is gross. Id rather fuck any other splatChangeling>Mummy>Mage>Demon>Wraith>Hot Fera>Ugly Fera>VampireThis list is indisputable
Methuselah twink who pretends to be a nightly college student uwu
>>97479240>Changeling
>>97479240>Changeling>Mummyyou have to say armenti. the south american mummies still have guys running around who are samedi tier of gross because they haven't all gotten the new spell of life yet and their version of the old spell of life was shit in comparision to what anubis cooked up for the egyptiansalso bane mummies
>>97479240>ChangelingA master of Life mogs changeling
>>97479263Mages make bad romantic partners. They are secretive & tend to explode or destroy those they love.>>97479253They literally live & die on romance>>97479260Ah yes, reasonable distinction "Amenti" is what I meant not just all mummies.
>>97479287Big Dreaming propaganda, my mage gf would explore the secrets of the life sphere with me as her test subject.
>>97479240Which are hot fera and which are ugly fera
>>97479150>>97479189Wyld is the autistic adopted into the relationship instead of a real participant.>>97479154Anon, WoD is goonershit 40% of the time
>>97479323Foxes, cats, & crows > wolves, bears, & rats, etc
>>97479327Bastet are based, sure>wolves in with the restI don't know about that. I've also come around on Ananasi
>>97478170>>97479086>OWOD instead of WODBased. V5 is no more. To hell with Cuckdox.
>>97479240Yup. Faes are canonically the BEST at sex.
>>97479336That wasnt a comprehensive list. Just a few examples on each side
>>97479358Kinain mage for the win.
>>97478362You joke but even for WoD, the notion of doing drum circles and dances and ingesting all sorts of hallucinogens to go on a spirit quest to recieve your spirit animal and then take them as a totem who teaches you to sing with all the colours of the wind is a little... at odds with what I feel like the kinds of people who play Werewolf are about?I'm genuinely curious, do people do the whole like 'wolf moot' thing in Werewolf? Do you roleplay out your rituals and rites, save for the one or two that have mechanical consequence? Is it a space for monster politics where you talk with a spirit that guides you when you faulter, with presumably some sort of mystic woodwind in the background?
>>97478326>cringeWeak bitch can only live in being an ironic shitter lmao.
>>97479379Biggest drawback is that you're vulnerable to both bedlam And quiet. You're sanity is pretty much guaranteed to crack like an egg at some point.
>>97479397>I'm genuinely curious, do people do the whole like 'wolf moot' thing in Werewolf?My table is trying out a Changing Breeds chronicle in March. The ST's main requirement was that every PC needs to be on the outs with their respective peoples. I think one of his two main motivations was precisely that he didn't want to deal with the whole 'wolf moot thing' (the other being he didn't want us to have access to a bunch of friendly NPCs).
>>97479411What's your racial line up, anon? Does it include the best changing breed of all?
If General Mills didn't make a cereal featuring your favorite monster, it may as well not exist.Real monsters: Vampires (Count Chocula), Prometheans (Frankenberry), Werewolves (Frute Brute), Wraiths (Boo Berry), and Mummies (Yummy Mummy).Not real monsters: Mages, Changelings, Demons.
>>97479425Lucky Charms dipshit
>>97479307Failed test subject. Unless youre a mage dating a mage, you will get torn apart one way or another
>>97479397it's a good way to add flavor to the gameplay loop of ripping and tearing yes. In practice getting Gifts through spirits can be handwaved depending on what kind of spirit teaches it. For example, a Shadow Lord just being able to walk up and easily ask and receive a gift from a Stormcrow sounds very lazy to me.I'm quite looking forward to what my ST is going to whip up for the upcoming Moot in my chronicle actually.
>>97478498Well my Shark has five dots in brawling (claws and bites) + protean claws, and is also a veteran of the Freikorps against the commies multiple times. Blood buffing is quite a hax even when you barely have any firearms dots. Also about to join the German army for WW2.
>>97479484>Shark
>>97479443Love comes with risks and I'm not backing down
>>97479425excuse you fucker
>>97479542Based.
If you're having sex then you're not hunting. You bust from killing some freak then? Now you're hunting.
>>97479546putting the awoo in AWOOOOOGA
>>97479500I_am_a_Shark
>>97479565For me, it's the magician.
>>97479086I wonder what a Vampire: the Requiem video game would be like.
>>97479088>asshole oil barons & capitalist exploitative tycoons finding Nodeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hlAjt3eiAY
>>97479605The more I read about CofD the cooler I imagine video games about it would be. Maybe one day, or in another life, maybe
>>97479605Unfinished Sandbox with little to no NPCs and a shit ton of micro-transactions.
>>97479088>asshole oil barons & capitalist exploitative tycoons finding Nodes & destroying them to refine them into power crystalThat's the Syndicate
>>97479625That's just a Paradox game.
>>97479397>>97479467I appreciate that the Wolf Moot is basically like an Elysium gathering or some sort of giga-convention to do more of a long-form social sessions about complex plotlines and character stuff. It's interesting, sure. Although, I prefer more shit like a murder mystery which seems harder to do in a moot without making it a cliche>>97479411This was my problem with my players wanted a multisplat campaign too. Too much shit to manage for me
>>97478908>>97479124This is retarded. Not in just missing the goddamn point, also in execution. You missed the point so much, it was actually grating to read this shit.>My narrative guy doesnt believe in magic. He believes in a good story. Magic never factors into his paradigm at all so why would he treat it like magic with extra steps?They already have a term for someone like this in the setting proper. They’re called Marauders.
>Bloodlines 2 was so bad, there’s not even porn of LouThat’s the real metric that reveals how much Paradox dropped the ball.
>>97479605It should absolutely be a game of politics, trading favors, and climbing the social ladder of both the clan and faction.
>>97479672What fucking point? There is no fucking point only preference. Fucking retard
>>97479605The Vampire of Havana but less fun.
>>97479605Isn't Requiem basically an empty game with no actual lore and just vague hints of shit? Probably really boring.
>>97479726Ryong was a much better girl though
>>97479751>Unc is fuming
>>97479771No, it does have lore, but it's a bunch of intentionally conflicting lore with multiple sources of vampirism (the 5 Kindred clans are the result of convergent evolution), mixed with Unreliable Narrators because the Sleep of Ages fucks with your memories.Which also means that game devs have more breathing room on what they can do in the setting.
>>97479771Chronicles has plenty of lore, it just doesn't have metaplot beating you over the head. Big difference.
Charon was a jerk
>>97479911He was a jerk, but he was based. We respect Charon in this household.
>>97479911Can you rule Stygia without being a jerk?
>>97479795Im not fuming I just think saying there is a point is retarded. What point are you even talking about?
>>97479949If that was me in the Onyx Tower, the Sixth Great Maelstrom wouldn't have went down like it did
>>97479646Yeah but they syndicate & the Technocracy as a whole are still functionally mages. I would prefer if they were just sort of jacking the mechanics using super science. Small distinction but an important one.>>97479615That would be interesting. Technocrats binding ghosts for fuel
>>97479911Hes been dead a long time. Hes the first of the dead. Meanwhike his brother is cursed to be immortal. It makes you cranky.
Hunters thinking that they can handle Deviants
How to I play a vampire on the Path of Harmony without just accidentally doing the “path of whatever I was going to do anyways” thing? Pic unrelated
>>97479964A hearty kek
>>97478326then just play an Etherite and do science instead
>>97480080What character concept do you have in mind? A general Harmonist tip is to always remember, just because you're a predator, doesn't mean you're a monster.
>>97480043Funny, I considered them Orphans fighting Pentex Fomori.
>>97480043Autists vs Aliens or whatever. Ha e they even explained what the hell is going on in the show?
>>97479088maybe play sorcerors instead if you want characters to only have pre-defined magic with no improvisation.
>>97480080just read it and it doesn't seem like a "path of what I was going to do anyways" it clearly does make demands of you like avoiding destruction of property or avoiding killing if possiblejust another sign that via bestiae and it's variations are the best paths conceived so far when it comes to alternative morality
>>97480238Thats not at all what I was saying. If fact there are two forms of improvisation in my rant.
>>97480271>I want to be able to do magick with using magickDoes that about sum it up then, dumbass?
>>97480277Let me put this in simple terms1. I think that a reality war doesnt fit WoDs dark urban fantasy's vibe. It should be classic magic versus exploitative elitist non mages using magic like a fuel.2. While I dont think a reality war works for WoD, I do like the idea of a reality war.3. I think the reality war shouldn't be about Magic(tm) but about actual perspective reality & paradigm logic. With every reality warper operating on their own internal consistent rules that are much more expansive than presented in WoD Mage.3. Ideas have baggage & words & definitions are inherently limiting. Calling reality warping "magic" by default puts it in a box based on perception & preconception. 99% of Mage comes down to spiritualism/mysticism vs technology/science. It doesnt have the capacity to necessarily handle odd ball paradigms outside of these two extremes without reducing the paradigm to set dressing. Hell, it even goes out of its way to say that Science (tm) is just magic in denial.4. Paradigms & reality warping in general should be exploitable.
>>97478281I've come to the conclusion that this guy is actually a big Werewolf/Mage/similar fan, since all of his posts exist just to make VtM fans look stupid and unreasonable.
>>97479870This. "nWoD/CofD has no lore" is a straight up lie. It has plenty of lore, and it gives you many different options to choose from. Like how VII, a villain faction in Requiem, had three entirely different options for what the secret is behind their conspiracy. Werewolf the Forsaken has an entire book called Blasphemies that's all about "Hey do you want a different cosmology/origin story? Here's a dozen of them. Feel free to make it the gospel truth or an actual renegade cult within your game!" Stuff like that is far more impressive than a dinky ass metaplot where you write how the players watch two overpowered Glup Shittos clash. I don't even dislike oWoD per se, but I'm tired of this outright lying about nWoD/CofD.
>>97480348>It has plenty of lore, and it gives you many different options to choose fromThat's just it. It has no "official" lore, just various world-building seeds. No group's Chronicles will be exactly the same.
>>97480356No that's again a load of shit. Having a lot of options does not mean there is nothing concrete. If you're playing Changeling the Lost, the Seemings are concrete. True Fae and Arcadia are concrete. The Hedge is concrete. These things are assumed to exist in every single "take it or leave it" optional thing, and all the lore comes from these foundations. If you don't think that counts as lore you have a very specific and frankly wonky definition of lore. >No group's Chronicles will be exactly the same.Is a good thing in my estimation, and they aren't going to nearly be as different as you might thing because, as stated, you're flat wrong about saying there's nothing "official". Hell, I'm gonna be a pedant and say that's practically true about oWoD or really any TTRPG, because even the most orthodoxy following tables will still have slight differences which are the result of different PCs making different choices.
>>97480348One Anon said it best about nWoD. >They didn't account for how staggeringly uncreative the average ST is.
>>97480313Honestly, you have a right to your opinion, even when your opnion is WRONG and UNINSPIRED.>I think the reality war shouldn't be about Magic™ but about actual perspective reality & paradigm logicAlready is. The Ascension War is quite literally about whether the Technocracy's static reality reigns unopposed or if humanity gets the option for every person to get a chance to undergo an individual journey to achieve apotheosis.>With every reality warper operating on their own internal consistent rules that are much more expansive than presented in WoD MageMaybe so, be it would be a nightmare and/or absolute slog to codify and run it that way. You just bitch and moan about how MtAs' approach is wrong, but you certainly aren't working on an alternative with actual substance.>Ideas have baggage & words & definitions are inherently limiting>Paradigms & reality warping in general should be exploitableSo you just want a power fantasy with absolutely no passive pushback? What you're describing is essentially just daydreaming irl.
>>97479323according to the W20 breed book the canonically hot Fera are bastet, ananasi, nagah and kitsune
>people in this thread think that the big Mage division is magic vs technology when the real deeper division is whether magic come from mage himself or from the toolsOf course we know from our metaknowledge that magic comes from the avatar and that tools are just part of the focus, but many mages in the setting don't realize this until their arete goes high enough (even then they may not really start shedding foci at first). It all goes back to the Reed of Djehuty and the Cupbearers of Aset.
>>97480433but is the avatar not also a tool?
>>97479397>what I feel like the kinds of people who play Werewolf are aboutWhat do you feel like the kind of people who play Werewolf are about?It's hard to answer that question without knowing how you actually perceive the game and the people who play it.
Damn Childing!! Seducing a Wilder!! She needs correction...!!
Can a Hunter (tR) use Brand multipe times?I have a techie character who is pretty useless in combat with no combat skill whatsoever of any kind. Being able to stick some lethals around (at no cost?) seems like a pretty good deal, albeit cheesy, to the point that I'm not even sure that the Edge is supposed to work that way.
>>97480536And by that I mean "multiple times on the same target"
Sex with Kiasyd women
>>97480536>>97480542RAW, nothing seems to prevent you from inflicting multiple Brands on the same target. >I have a techie character who is pretty useless in combat with no combat skill whatsoever of any kindAlthough your PC's lack of dots in Brawl may prove to make such a proposition unlikely to begin with. You are aware Brand requires a Dexterity+Brawl roll aganist a resisting target, right?
>>97480543... perhaps I judged the Sabbat too harshly.
>>97479397I can speak for the Werewolf chronicle I'm in, if not for W:tA players as a wholeWe view a proper Werewolf game as being roughly 1 part Death Metal album cover, 1 part "meditating wolfman with feathers in his hair," and 1 part HBO prestige show. Sometimes the PCs are having heated arguments with another pack over territory or philosophy, or brooding over the blood we've spilled. Sometimes we're proudly declaring our lineage and deeds to our enemies, or we are drumming and chanting and beseeching a wise spirit to guide us. And once we've done all that prep, we fight an R-rated Captain Planet villain on top of a poison-powered train with Dragula blasting from the speakers. God, that was a great fucking scene.But yes, we have moots. I think the ST tries to use them sparingly, because as other posters have noted, it means having to juggle more NPCs. Still, it was cool seeing the assembled host of werewolves at our Rite of Passage, kind of a "this could be you one day" moment. And getting to voice our support or opposition to various decisions of our elders, or put forward our own business as we've gained in rank.One stand-out was when a neighboring sept sent emissaries to buy a PC's mother. Oh, they phrased it more nicely, talking about how she was originally one of their people, and now that her husband was dead and her daughter grown, she should come home and find a new mate. And hey, since our peoples are such good friends and we've brought these magical talens for you, I'm sure you won't disagree with our request. To cut off their attempt, the PC had to get an elder to let her speak up first, and this led to a formal Challenge and a kickass duos race up the side of a mountain.>>97480536Sneaking up on a monster and hitting them with Brand seems fine. And applying it multiple times in a fight also seems fine. But like >>97480571 says, actually landing multiple brands will require some work, because the first use will put them on alert.
>>97479974charon isn't actually abel. he is the champion of eve, but even abel's mother isn't choosing himcharon is just a normie who is manteling the grim reaper who made the shadowlands
>>97480571>You are aware Brand requires a Dexterity+Brawl roll aganist a resisting target, right?Sure, but I only need one die to go through (unless the target is actively dodging, parrying or whatever, which eats into its actions so a good compromise anyway) and the damage is unrelated to how well I do with that.Right?
Werewolves are not dumb >:(
>>97480845That's ok poochie now back to your level 2 BTEC in environmental protection studies
how big do you think a mage could make their boobs using the life sphere before the size incurs paradox whenever someone else sees them, discounting people who knew what they looked like before.asking on behalf of one of my players.
>>97480845Their brains are the smoothest
>>97480857In modern day? Quite large. We have transsexuals to thank for raising the bar for that. Like that one teacher.
>>97480857Pushup bras can do some freaky shit sometimes.It depends on their starting size, ending size and how many people have seen their tits.
>>97480845Being too angry to think straight does count as being dumb. That and they're really into short time preference.
>>97479423I don't think everyone is 100% committed; but last I heard we're looking at Kitsune, Mokole, Bastet, Corax, Ratkin, and Ananasi. >>97479657>This was my problem with my players wanted a multisplat campaign too. Too much shit to manage for meExactly.
“Don’t touch that” -says the mage“Fucking watch me” -says the werewolf What happens next?
>>97480943A traumatized autistic furry who can't take no for an answer and a dead Mage (gave himself internal bleeding turning into a porcupine)
>>97480444The Avatar is actually just the mage
>>97480857'70s porn star "Chesty Morgan" had a 73 inch natural bust, verified by the Guinness Book of World Records.
Tfw no kitsune bf
>>97480845Correct.
>>97480531Don’t be fooled by the fae mien anon! It’s a 53 yo ojii-san!
>>97480857What if a subsection of the NWO were secretly conspiring to make bigger and bigger tits more accepted in the collective unconscious with the ultimate goal of letting Progenitors make their hyper fetishes a paradox-free reality?
>>97480531Isn't fae mien independent of your human age?Like, you could have a 30+ childer or a really depressed 14 year-old grump.
>>97481320I say we triple their funding and expand the scope of this program
>>97480389Thats not how WoD works because the Technocracy uses Magic(tm) even if they call it science.It wouldnt be a slog, it would just require a different game engine, which is why I said so from the start.I never said there wouldn't be negatives, youre just making shit up.
>>97481465It isn't Magic(tm) in quite the same way you would call it like in DnD though. It's the same sort of Magic that mages work under but rather under the scope of what you might be able to research with science instead of doing some whacky alchemy to melt a hole in the floor
>>97481320Sadly if anything (((they))) keep pushing for ugly androgynous people. We barely have any up & coming Hollywood starlets who could even stretch a shirt let alone be called busty
>>97480543>Marceline is a Brujah.
>>97481001that's what they want you to believe...
>>97481320If they did I might actually support them But they don't, they want me to be homeless and poor so they can be rich with 5 pocket dimensions filled with ceramic vaguely-human onaholes.
>>97480857There are women out there that look like Panda Delgado thanks to all the food we eat here in the states. The mage could disappear and say they had a last minute growth spurt.
>>97481320That's a Progenitor-Syndicate project. NWO is run by bureaucratic incles
>>97481492Its still magic(tm) & has all the trappings of magic just dressed up differently. Pills instead of potions, gadgets instead of wands, power armor instead of enhanted knight armor, R&D instead of meditation, etc. Its all just swapped out.If you want true reality war stuff then not everything is going to work on the same principles. Some paradigms are going to have access to stuff other paradigms dont. You see this a little in Dark Ages Mage where certain Foundations & Pillars have access to powers the other F&Ps cant really handle, but thats just a drop in a bucket.Take for example my idea for a reality war. A Virtual Matrix guy sees the world as a simulation so he could do things like Noclip through a wall. Thats not nearly the same as a Magic Geomancer sinking into the stone. The Virtual guy & the Geomancer are doing completely different methods & the results arent exactly the same either. In Mage they'd just be the same spheres & result & only the visualization would matter. But if you want a real Reality War game then they couldnt be the same since they believe in different realities. In the same vein of thought, the Magic Geomancer could may try to delay & confound the Virtual guy by causing a lot of "information" (setting of a crazy amount of sparklers) to happen that causes the Virtual guy "lag" & slow down, since he gets fucked by his own paradigm, doing so can slowly damage your own paradigm though because you are giving Truth to his. You might end up lagging yourself as well.Its less a game of make believe & more 4D chess except your opponent is playing 4D checkers & his win conditions are just as valid as yours. Its why i mentioned Calvinball, its both crazy, made up logic & exploitable competitive nonsense. Yeah it would need some very robust rules that are also quick to use so game play can be fun, but i do think its possible. (Just not with God's ST mechanics)
A Mage could magic every girl he sees into growing fat tits...
>>97481568He woukd need to put it into a method like massage therapy or titty pills. Otherwise paradox
>>97481585Oh its simple really. He'll put it in the food. Any growth can be explained away as being from all the chemicals used in the treating of the meat and vegetables.
>>97481591This would also probably cause men to get fat tits too. Idk if you want that, im just informing you of the possibility
>>97481585>tfw you're not a Verbena running a "traditional medicinal massage clinic" where you also sell "traditional medicinal herb based all-natural pills for good health"
>>97481516The Avatar is the Hung an archetype the mage represents. This is known. One could even call it a... Persona
>>97481591>>97481613This is already happening in America. Too much hormone in the water
>>97481613They'll introduce it as the new She-Burger, for the Young Fierce Amazon!
>>97481647Jungian was the intended word here, apologies anons. Technocracy spies on my phone stopping me from telling the truth and all that.
"Avatars" are not real, you're just able to communicate with your subconscious
>>97480932>corax and spider in the same partyThat's not going to end well. Although if you're all being fired from your people, I suppose that makes your Ananasi a Kumatai anyways, and nothing is more "I didn't ask to be born, MUM!" than working with a Corax.You in one of those special settings where everyone gets to work together, like CyberRealm or the Ahadi (or the Beast Courts, I suppose)? Or is your ST trying to glue your disparate parties together through circumstance?>>97479657I've run a multisplat game, and they really do not gel together. Even if you CAN manage everyone's little silo societies and have a premise to allow everyone to work together, you'd have to juggle a bunch of people who don't necessarily interact, and the power differentials (even if you make some adjustments) are too vast, and half of everyone's powers turn it into a 1-1 session.I hope the rest of your party likes sitting there for 20 minutes if your Fera steps into the Umbra. You have something you wanna do during the day? Congrats, the Vampire is sitting that one out (albeit the one time I ran a game it was up in the arctic circle, explaining why everyone could hang out at more or less all times). Got a villain from a particular splat? Someone is going to be doing socialising in a way the others don't and can't understand.It's one of those things that's a fun experiment, but you need a very particular and very short story to cover, and for everyone to accept they're not using their whole ass on anything.A Changing Breeds campaign? That one you can manage, hell it's the starting premise of a few things. But cross-splat? I'm yet to have anyone say that it worked, and after an (admittedly fun and interesting experiment) I can see why.And still no Insect Races. One day, moths, one day...
>>97481723They really haven't topped that fucking moth doujin. Anyway, just make up splats at your leisure. Want moth shifters? Pentex already make their own shitty werewolves and cockroach shifters, why not moths?
Did the drawfag ever draw that ginger tomboy changeling?
>>97481735Infinite furries, infinite works of furry art, and yet nothing comes close. How can this be? We have all the mothman you can want and still, unchallenged.Here, have a cute moth for your troubles.
>>97481776This is how I glabro. Moth shifters can have transformations that only make them cuter. Their 'war form' is just maximally degenerate, like in that doujin. Heck, more forms that aren't just increasingly big and buff, do any changeing breeds get more mystical or something as they transform?
>>97481723It's not like other splats can't into the Umbra but yeah, it's fucked. My problem was more so policing every player's backstory on top of managing all the societies in context with the antagonists. If I ever do a multi-splat I'm going to accept it's for some silly billy RP featuring government level conspiracies going crazy
>>97481005Chesty was a stripper at best imo and her gimmick was her enormous breasts. Also taken from the wikipedia page for one of her movies:>Chesty Morgan, a woman whose bust is 73 inches (1.9 m) in size, plays Jane Tennay, a large breasted secret agent. Her agency wants her to assassinate, one by one, an organized crew of low grade heroin pushers. In order for her to prove her killings, they plant a tiny camera in her big left breast. Each time she needs a photo taken, she takes off her shirt and clicks over her left breast.>Unlike the previous film, there's no smothering and only one death sequence involves her monstrous breasts. In it, she ambushes and ties up a guy's girlfriend in their bathroom. She then rubs poison over her own breasts and climbs into the guy's bed. Even though the light is on and disregarding the huge difference in breasts' size, the sleepy guy thinks she is his girlfriend. He starts kissing her large breasts and soon after dies from the poison. 70s NWO agents I kneel...
>>97481792In alternate forms gained by Gifts, mostly, like the Ratkin Itchy Form. Also, the Fianna had a Gift called Faerie Blood in earlier editions that temporarily made them vulnerable to cold iron but also allowed them to use low-cost Gnosis Gifts for free.
>>97481723>Or is your ST trying to glue your disparate parties together through circumstance?The conversations on how we're going to get together and what's going to keep us together are still ongoing. So what's the gripe between the spiders and the birbs?
>>97482032I'm somewhat surprised Fera don't all hate each other outside of shit like the beast courts
>>97482028Faerie Blood my beloved FUCK the veil I'm going to peek through the gauntlet when I'm in the aethereal realm looking down at earth and use Faerie Light repeatedly until the entire amazon looks like New York from space
>>97481521I'm too distracted at the idea of Panda being a Hunter. Surely those tits provide some bonus she can exploit.
>>97480227Since this game has no Kuei-Jin, I was thinking of making a character that was a daoist Lasombra. >just because you're a predator, doesn't mean you're a monster.Part of the difficulty I've had is that it seems like sometimes you're supposed to act like a monster, but I'm not sure how to regulate when I act humanely and when I act bestially>>97480261> it clearly does make demands of you like avoiding destruction of property or avoiding killing if possibleThose bits I'm fine with, my problem is that I'm worried that I'll end up leaning into either side too heavily, or that I'll end up acting too erratically. When to act humanely and when to act bestial, that's the part I'm worried about messing up
>>97481329Depends on the edition>Pre-20thSeeming is tied to age, a childling is a child>C20Seeming is more of a mindset and has nothing to do with age, childlings aren't childrenIn both cases a changeling could remain physically a child while chronologically being much older by spending the bulk of their time in a freehold or the dreaming where time doesn't pass.
>“And if you want a reason to let me go? I’m barely a young neonate and already on my way to becoming a formidable koldunic sorcerer of the ancient winds….a Tzimisce of flesh craft who is currently designing her Xulo form that which my clan use to fight the Crinos form of the Lupines…..and I’m just a ‘kid’ who’s getting started…I can be a VERY powerful ally in the future should you…get on my good side…or a massive wasted potential and opportunity if you kill me here and now. And I would have and still will take full responsibility for the young lady if you aid me in retrieving her from the party as it has now been made….difficult for me but that is up to you - again….you turf…your rules.”Said by a Tzimisce who had previously told the two hounds she was disrespecting that she was Independent (in Cam territory) and planning on teaming up with the Setites. The character has been staked and the player has gone silent after being told their character is going to be executed.
what are some cool magical items for VtM? not weapons ideally
>>97482889>Admitting to being a tzim in cam territory>Working with SetitesIs it retardation?
>>97482940It's arrogance>>97482889One less fiend
>>97482931>Containers that preserve blood>Jewlry that give mortals social diciplines>mirrors that let you speak with your beast>Stones that force vampires to stay in torpor until it is removed>Rope that lets you see ghosts when you wear them around your neck>Pipes that let you ghoul people by blowing smoke on them>Pebbles that trigger fire frenzyAre you looking for something specific or just random bullshit you may find in a chantry?
>>97482889>Tzimisce Karen gets staked by BASED enforcers of The Traditions.Okay but for real though, that PC definitely had to have red flags before this. I would've just put the kibosh on the character the minute they told me "I wanna be an independent Tzimisce in this Camarilla game", but also wanting to be a Koldun AND unironically believing the Wiki line that Zulo lets Tziggers go hit for hit with Werewolves? also, name dropping Crinos like you know what that is? Just say hybrid form or something I almost wanna blame this one on the ST for allowing baby's first power fantasy character in the first place. Almost.
>>97483006Oh, no, blame the STs, I'm one of them. I happened to be AFK for the half a week they spent getting their character approved.
>>97482997just some stuff some elder could give away to get rid of a few boons towards some neonates
>>97483006>>97483041I can understand being a Tzimisce if you wanted it to but I can't help but notice that often times these sorts of players aren't trying to roleplay or actually think about their character very hard.
>>97483144Could be as simple as giving away Fetters or stolen Set relics or Garou fetishes that may do nothing for you but might also do something eventually if they run into some banes or spirits
>>97482889>>97483041I think it's funny how I immediately felt the need to check if this happened on the pbp server I'm in. It wasn't, thank god, but I've seen that exact type of thing happen. One thing I've realized about people getting into VtM for the first time is that they have this expectation that because they're a post-human monster, they'll be able to throw around weight and be a big player. The problem is that the whole premise of VtM is that you CAN'T throw your weight around because you're a tiny, tiny fish in a very big pond. You only get to act like that once you have a couple hundred years under your belt and a few boons from powerful Elders.
What are the "minor splats" of WoD?
>>97483245Street Fighter
>>97483197Does your server get inundated with v5ggots rules lawyering with v5 despite being clear it is a v20 game?
>>97483245you mean ghouls, kinfolk and the like?
>>97483245Changeling. No one plays that
>>97483245mafia and gypsies
>>97483245Most definitely Demon and Mummy.
>>97483245all those outside of the big 3 especially wraith, ctd and kote who are even failed game lines that had to be canceled early
>>97483266Not at all, no. That question tells me that your server does not have strict enough vetting, because holy shit how
>>97479186Surely nothing could go wrong in dating Vasilisa.
>>97480845You're right. They're goddamn retarded.
>>97481585>>97481591>>97481613>>97481655This sounds like a fucking Pentex plot.
>>97483369Not *my* server. If it were, things would be much, much different.
>>97483245Hunters (HH ones)
>>97481465>>97481492>>97481566So what I’ve gathered is that you want people to be subjected to other’s Paradigms. Which really isn’t how it should work. In your example of the Virtual Boy and the Geomancer, it would be whoever’s will is stronger. They aren’t, nay, shouldn’t receive Paradox from each other because they both realize the reality as we know it is bullshit. Whoever decided to learn more through the lens their Paradigm (gaining Spheres) would succeed in winning because they know more ways of inflicting their will onto reality. The truth in WoD is that ALL Paradigms are false, because that’s not how reality works. The truth is reality, in WoD, is something malleable and everything in it is subject to be shaped by anyone’s will. It is both nothing and everything all at once.>Some paradigms are going to have access to stuff other paradigms dontThis is why will we never agree. You think this would be awesome. I think it fundamentally sucks.Ultimately, we disagree on this; I believe in Mage, anyone should be able to do anything. You believe in Mage, someone should only do what they believe they can do. Sounds essentially the same, but there is a distinction. Freedom from the Ego vs. Strengthening the Ego.Ultimately, Unknown Armies should be more your speed. Unless your bothered by the consistency in that game, too.
Mages are the lamest shit possible. Nice infinite cosmic powers nerd, be careful reality doesn't retcon you out of existence next time you fart
>>97483475I know you posted this to disagree with the guy that wanted some unified Magic stuff, but I think Mages getting Paradox from being next to each other while casting strong enough magic is honestly really cool
>>97483156If your table is running a heavily customized version of the setting where things are different, it's fine. Not to my taste, but fine in principle, as I am a big advocate for "your table, your WoD".But if that's not the case, or that's not something that is being changed at your table, I'd say Camarilla Tzimisce is pretty egregious. If a player I trusted wanted to play one with the implicit understand that they'd have to hide their clan (and suffer the consequences if found out) or be kept on a very fucking short leash and actually follow The Traditions (at least outwardly insofar as any vampire actually follows them), which means no freakly Szlachta where anyone can see among other restrictions, then maybe, if the character concept was interesting enough, I'd approve a PC. In any other case, no hell no. I've had problems with Camarilla Lasombra, and while rare, there is an actual pre-V5 precedent for those guys. And yeah, Tzimisce are among the cadre of clans that generally attract players who only want a jerk-off power fantasy based around a specific power. >>97483197You're right, but it's an understandable misconception. Vampires in most stories are the antagonists, which usually means they're stronger than the heroes, at least at the start. For those coming over from D&D, vampires are usually big boss monsters, with a distinction made for shitty subservient vampires as vampire spawn. Bloodlines, everyone's favorite VTM gateway drug, depicts an actual fledgling going from zero to shitstomper of the city in, at most, a month. Playing a game about vampires and expecting to be the big scary power fantasy monster is a reasonable expectation, which is why any ST who wants to introduce a new player with a neonate game (reasonable, since it's mechanically the easiest to parse) will need to dispel them of this misconception and inform them that while they're strong, almost everyone else has anywhere from a 10 to 10,000 year head-start on their character.
>>97482032Ananasi like secrets, Corax like finding secrets - picrel. Also probably some very old grudges, since Anansi tricked the Corax in ages past to point the Garou at Ananasa's prison. Saved them too, though - since the Garou were about ready to turn on the ravens until he told the Garou that he was to blame. They forgot the crows, tried to kill the spiders, but the Patient Ones went to ground and waited out the Garou to get bored and mad at something else.>>97483425Make your own. Invite /tg/. What could possibly go wrong? Hell, you could even get away with it not being Vampire.I've only ever been in one pbp game, and I spent basically the whole time just chatting with other PCs since I ran a kind of 'halfway house' for travelling supernaturals. Very cozy.>>97483529I always make exceptions if the player is an artist. Artists LOVE drawing Tzimisce doing all kinds of horrible fleshcrafting nonsense, and as a gurofriend and body horror fan I just can't help myself. That being said, should still be at least your second game and I'm probably going to need a more extended convo about it.
>>97483529>You're right, but it's an understandable misconception. It is, which is why it always hurts a bit to see things like that happen. I feel like often times the person playing the character is really putting in the effort, but because they had such a fatal misconception from the start, they're doomed to have a bad time.
>>97483529>running a heavily customized versionIn that case I agree completely, hell you want 13 clans in the Camarilla sure go ahead. If you want to play actual as written VtM for ease of incorporating pre-written lore then yeah you'll have to understand you need to tone down the freak in front of the guys that can and will kill you for being inconvenient. On the topic of VtM, one thing I do like about it is that you can never actually straight up intimidate, persuade, or otherwise against actual higher tier vampires to go against their interests. Someone like Andrei would just laugh at you if you begged for your life like that even with some great rolls.
How do I accurately portray riding the wave of frenzy? Auto-Failing frenzy checks seems kind of rough, and I want to figure out how I can work with that without doing something that could fuck over my character super hard
>>97483475The middle post isnt mine.I want other mages to be able to use a mages paradigm against them. Like, if I run on looney tune logic, & pull a gun out of hammerspace, you could protect yourself by sticking your finger in the barrel. Do you believe in looneytunes logic? No. But because I do, & its my effect, then its subject to my reality.Ive all ready said I fucking hate spheres BTW. Spheres are stupid & retroactively ruin paradigm or distinction between beliefs just by existing. Im not using a "flux teleporter" or a "translocation ritual" to move from one location to another, im using a 3 dot Space rote & dressed it up.With my vision, each paradigm would be making its own rules for doing things. A Virtual Matrix guy would use a video game fast travel effect, but my that nature limit himself to places he's already been to, while another guy has seven league boots which work on triangulation & preset distance jumps. Fundamentally different powers with different methods.And yeah, of course we disagree, you are still talking about shitty Mage & im talking about fundamentally a different game with a better handle on the premise of people in a reality war. If you want to have themes of Consensus & Reality War over who's headcanon for the universe is right, then you need to make paradigms matter. Even in Mage it betrays itself for the power fantasy by eschewing the foci of your paradigm as you get more powerful. If its really about a Reality War then Foci & visualization should be MORE important, not less. Its stupid & contradictory. Mage players are huge faggots for this very reason. They want all of the power fantasy, but never want to actually buy in to the setting. Its why I like Foundations & Pillars too. Different methods to the same general result, & sometimes you either have a huge advantage or a blind spot to what you can do.
>>97484031>without doing something that could fuck over my character super hardThen you arent riding the frenzy. You gotta let the Beast out, not pull on his chain
>>97484031God what is going on with Harry in the World of Darkness?
>>97484031You simply have to crashout in a more flavorful way than the ST but generally for these, it's the ST's decision as that's a sort of failure
>>97484031If you don't want to fuck your character over, don't enter Frenzy.Riding the Wave just means that you get to control your frenzy instead of the ST, really. You still adhere to what the Beast wants: safety, satiety, and supremacy. You can't deny it any of these things when in Frenzy, you're just 'backseat driving' by giving it some direction. Sure, it'll always kill violently, and it'll probably enjoy the screams while it does so, but in riding it you might be able to make it focus on the next threat instead of revelling in a victory. It DOES still want to kill that threat, after all.
>>97484066I know what you mean, but I want to avoid speedrunning getting ashed so I can enjoy playing the character for a while
>>97484031can Woofs voluntarily fail to contain Rage
>>97483156>>97483041>>97483006>>97482889This is why I just tell any "tzim in the Cam" players that they can only play a secret Volligirre.
>>97484087>what is Cirnos
>>97484087You can always tell your ST that you want more rage but often it's a bad idea
>>97484053>Im not using a "flux teleporter" or a "translocation ritual" to move from one location to another, im using a 3 dot Space rote & dressed it up>With my vision, each paradigm would be making its own rules for doing things. A Virtual Matrix guy would use a video game fast travel effect, but my that nature limit himself to places he's already been to, while another guy has seven league boots which work on triangulation & preset distance jumps. Fundamentally different powers with different methodsPowers achieving the same goal aren’t “fundamentally different”. A plane flying and Superman flying aren’t different powers. And the Paradigms are the “different method”. Indeed, the flux teleporter and translocation ritual are “different methods”. You can’t honestly say a Verbena witch and Virtual Adept would accomplish a Matter Effect the exact same way, no matter how much you criticize the setting.>im talking about fundamentally a different game with a better handle on the premise of people in a reality warYour “better handle” is subjective here, pal.>They want all of the power fantasy, but never want to actually buy in to the settingYou’re acting like achieving Archmagedom is some easy thing to accomplish, in-game or in-setting.I could address the “abandonment of foci as you grow in power” issue, but I want to understand something first. What exactly is the end goal for your Reality warpers in your proposed setting?
>>97484169Superman does not create downdraft from giant ass turbines. They are absolutely different."Better handle" is not subjective. Mage is shit at delivering on its own setting's premise. And even if you didn't think that, ontologically there exists a better way to do something.There is no end goal? You would have personal goals as a human, political goals for those seeking political power, romantic goals for those seeking romance, etc.As far as the setting itself, you'd have factions trying to scoop up young reality warpers & indoctrinating them into their own ideology so that theirs could reign supreme. If the Virtual Matrix guys all win then life becomes a video game, if the looney tunes guy wins it becomes too world, if the narrative guy win then it becomes a story.
>>97484053>>97484169>>97484231I too have read Kenjaku's fight versus Tabaka and also embrace using looney toonery against weird comedian style characters, but it's realistically too much work to incorporate. Are you going to do a full counter-animist ritual on the spot against a Verbena like a weird Bayonetta post-credits dance off skit? Are you going to do Akido against an Akashic's Kung-Fu and hit pressure points you don't believe in every time? Are you going to program a shitty SQL on a usb so that you can fuck over a Virtual Adept's spell? I think that would be exhausting to actually run.
>>97484231>Superman does not create downdraft from giant ass turbines. They are absolutely different.Ah, you’re just being an ass.
>>97484082>If you don't want to fuck your character over, don't enter Frenzy.The problem there is that being on a Path with instinct means that you auto-fail frenzy checks, which are usually outside the control of the player.
>>97483144Items I've used recently you can haveCoin bag that can hide under your skin exactly 5 Ounces of silver or gold A grape vine that spreads on any wall till it's completely covered Can of soup that when eaten by a person of low blood quality becomes a blue blood for 3 hoursFrozen frog that let's you jump and swim like one when thawed>but you have frog legs and skin covered in green bumps until it's refrozen
>>97484267>I too have read Kenjaku's fight versus TabakaI have not, but ill look it up You wouldn't necessarily counter everyone with their own paradigm, I would just have it as an option. No different than stealing Harry Potter's wand to nerf him.>>97484299No, it changes the metamechanics involved. You cant throw a wrench into the turbine to bring superman down & a green rock doesnt cause the plane to fall out the sky. If you arent willing to understand the why & the how, regardless of the belief, then how can you truly wage a reality war?
>>97483972>is that you can never actually straight up intimidate, persuade, or otherwise against actual higher tier vampires to go against their interests.Intimidate, yeah. You just don't have the stuff to back it up unless you're an even older Elder or a Methuselah, only an idiot just makes a demand of a powerful vampire. As for persuade, I suppose it depends on your definition of persuade. It'd be exceedingly difficult, as older vampires are stuck in their ways and tend to look down on younger ones, but you could trick them into going against their interests if you're slick enough and the PC has the rolls to back it up. Now, again, not easy, you'd need to be a very clever face to pull it off, but it's possible. And of course, if the elder ever realizes they got played you better have a plan to survive their crash out. .t played in a lengthy VtM game as a very socially savvy neonate. Your best weapon is everyone underestimating you. Your second best weapon is being a Ventrue that can run to their Elders for protection when there's someone you can't deal with coming for your head.
>>97484356The TLDR of the JJK Kenjaku fight is that Tabaka's technique enforces a comedy skit and Kenjaku has to play along to actually beat him. It's the closest thing I had in recent memory to your description
>>97484356> If you arent willing to understand the why & the how, regardless of the belief, then how can you truly wage a reality war?In that case, in trying to figure out how other people see a reality different from your own, wouldn’t you realize that reality has no fixed state?
>>97484369Sounds cool.>>97484380That is a risk I mentioned. You've got to keep your own ego dominant, accepting others world views can cause your own grasp on your paradigm become compromised. Thats the danger of a reality warping battle. To protect yourself from attack youve got to understand your opponent, but to do that you risk shaking your own ability to warp reality. Its rocket tag where you risk loosing your grip on reality by interacting with others. So you hide in you enclave where everyone is indoctrinated & reinforces each other & makes excuses for why the other people warper reality different. Because everyone is so hidebound as a side effect of keeping their powers & sanity they also become pretty hidebound/single minded in their other ways of thinking in their personal lives.
>>97484482That just sounds like a more pervasive form of Consensus.>So you hide in you enclave where everyone is indoctrinated & reinforces each other & makes excuses for why the other people warper reality different. Because everyone is so hidebound as a side effect of keeping their powers & sanity they also become pretty hidebound/single minded in their other ways of thinking in their personal livesAnd downright stifling. Having power, but still having to fear others? Not because they are powerful, but because they might convince you you are actually powerless? Yawn.
>>97484073Easy Marauder. Him talking to his skills are how he interprets his avatar. Maybe he could be a changeling too, he's certainly not banal.
>>97484073>>97484647On the other hand consider: Dream-Speaker with an extremely strong avatar and very high correspondence
>>97480391>KitsuneBuilt for Big Mage Cock
>>97482366You have no problem with killing, however you aren't going to go kill for no reason. Going out of your way to kill someone running away from you becasue they personally insulted would be a sin to the path. If someone is defacing your territory, there's nothing stopping you from going full monster on their asses. Prey has to learn its place, after all. And you're a predator, not a tyrant. Your place in this world is to hunt, not rule with an iron fist. As long an the balance of your territory is undisturbed, you have no reason to act overtly. Or something like that.
>>97484508What do you think consensus is? How can you be assured of your own vision if you have doubts?
>>97484231>Superman does not create downdraft from giant ass turbines. They are absolutely different.A sparrow, an albatross, a bumblebee and a bat all fly in very different ways. Should there be separate rules for how each one of these flies? If yes, how many pages would you like a rule book to dedicate to different types of flight? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? If no, at what point do you decide that there's enough granularity and start favouring abstraction instead?When you're making a Swiss army knife make-your-own-spell system, you have to embrace some sort of abstraction if you don't want your rulebook to be thousands of page long. You can have two digits worth of pages devoted to different types of flight, or you could just say that flight is just flight, no matter how it's accomplished.This is why the abstraction of spheres is a valuable thing, and this is why the abstract mechanics actually serve as a commentary on how the "reality war" is built on hypocrisy. The rules for an Ecstatic wiping someone's memory of an event by slipping a date rape pill in their drink and a Black Suit doing the same with the memory eraser gadget from Men in Black are basically the same because in the end, their power comes from the same source and they are the same thing, they're both mages, they're just bickering over set dressing. By making rules for all of the minutia, not only would you be making a clunky nightmare of a system, but you would be eliminating the commentary attached to the current system, that the Ascension War is ultimately just a petty squabble over the aesthetics of the vehicle that they share.
>>97484884>How can you be assured of your own vision if you have doubts?Because of your Paradigm. I'm just going to leave a quote from the Hollow One Tradition Book that puts it rather succinctly:>If someone truly has faith and belief in a particular paradigm, he should not feel a need for others to accept or agree with it for that belief to be validYou remember the Hollow Ones, right? The ones who can use magick, even if they don't have to believe it's "magick". The ones whose paradigms entirely relies on their own individualistic and internal logic.
>>97484898Im saying if there was something like a Reality War game, the set dressing matters far more than the result & there are ways to go about that.>>97484971Except that YOUR belief is not always enough. This is a Reality War & if me & my buddies decide that your shit doesnt work like that, or can trick you into thinking your shit doesnt work, then you are robbed of that belief. We can delete your entire concept if given enough Reality warping momentum & power.I really dont understand why you care about this so much though. Im just expressing a thought on the concept, I wasnt looking to type paragraphs about it
>>97485124>This is a Reality War & if me & my buddies decide that your shit doesnt work like that, or can trick you into thinking your shit doesnt work, then you are robbed of that beliefBecause when you get magick, you're basically giving everyone and reality the middle finger. Fuck what anyone else thinks, reality is whatever YOU make of it. It's THAT belief that causes you to break apart from the Masses. If you can still be made to doubt yourself, than you're no different than any common asshole off the street. Only way you can be stopped is to be physically maimed or killed, and it better before you transcend being deterred by physical matters. Anyway, your view sucks, because in MtAs, even with the Technocracy running the show, and deciding "shit shouldn't work like that", people can still Awaken. Because at the heart of Mage, the focus is the freedom to be yourself, not trying to warp others to your delusion.
>>97485169Exactly, its not a real Reality War, its justsad
>>97481723>One day, moths, one day...Just play CofD my dude. I played a moth thanks to the rules from war against the pure.(Or CtL, but that is a diffent can of autism that might not be to your liking)
>>97482889Player rage quit because we restricted them to the Cam 7, and wouldn't let their fishmalk have a noncanon derangement.
I actually quite love the idea that Mages are so in deep in their belief that they think other mages are either retarded or yanking their chain when they explain how they're doing magic. It's based
>>97485250Wait, is this the same group, same player? Or are you just relating a similar story? what was the derangement?
>>97485242Forsaken mentioned!For real though, it's a very underrated game.
>>97485242Now this is a backstory I can get behind.
>>97485305Same group, same player, happened when I was asleep. Player objected to our restrictions because the core 7 are "boring and cliche", then said, ok I'll play a Mallavian if I get to homebrew a derangement that is completely fishy ( "chronological dissocoiative amnesia" basically whenever a roll is botched or some other trigger - memories get shuffled into a random order of chronology. The vampire remembers everything but not what order it happens in and certain events they may not remember YET or may remember BEFORE they've happened - resulting in them greeting someone they dont know by name and then being confused or not knowing someone they know very welll and going "Is'nt this our first meeting?"). Then got mad when we said "no, canon only", accused us of being ableist, and rage quit "on the condition" that their Tzimisce could have a touching goodbye with the Gargoyle they were going to have a date with.Instead we are giving her body to the Tremere.
>decide to run vtm again after a while for my group and decide to run a sabbat game for a change>first player character is literally just the kurgan as a ventrue templar of all thingsi can already tell i am in for a good time
>>97485310Yeah, Forsaken is pretty chill to play. Although the book talks big but in action awoos tend to be pretty bad in combat in comparission. But maybe i'm just bad at building combat chars.>>97485317CofD doesn't get enough credit for all the stuff you can just do with it. Spirit stuff is just so easy to use and flexible in general that i wonder why they never did more with it.
>>97485357Venture players overall tend to make for a good time in my experience
>>97485325I actually love that idea for a Derangement however that seems incredibly ripe for abuse as a player. That seems like something my ST would give me after I fucked around with a shard of Oblivion after purposefully ignoring the warning flags IC while fully owning up to them OoC. Very much needs to be something the ST has in mind and needs the right chronicle to make it work. This group you have however seems less like good friends and more like internet power gamers
>>97485357Well at least he's leaning into the savage fuckhead part of the Sabbat some people like to whitewash away. Granted, that character could easily be a disaster. Though I could see a line where he manages to swing it. If his blood requirement dictates something like "foes I have bested in battle", that actually creates a plausible reason for his kurgan-esque behavior, and there are some Ventrue Antitribu that like to style themselves as anachronistic Blood Knights. So... I give it 50/50 odds he's either gonna be your best PC or your worst.
>>97483529at least the Lasombra antitribu have that whole "every single member of Clan Lasombra would kill you on sight and the elders are actively hunting you" thing
>>97478184Reminder that the Anarchs never had a meaningful victory at any point before Gehenna.>but muh Free StateTerritory nobody who mattered actually wanted, used as a dumping ground for the problem children and embarrassments of other, cooler sects. And they can barely hold on to it, unlike the Cam and its important strongholds.
>>97485868>lmao the underdogs have a hard time fighting against the giant status quo that has all of every advantageWell yes, what did you expect?
>>97485913>underdogsFunny way of saying "mind-bogglingly incompetent to the point it makes you wonder how they continue existing"
>>97485941If they were competent enough to effectively hold their own against the Camarilla and Sabbat despite having no advantage over them and having numerous disadvantages and deficiencies, people would be accusing them of being writer’s pets.
>>97483529>>97485536I've noticed for a long time that people tend to have no issues with Camarilla antitribu, but balk at Sabbat antitribu.Why is that?
>>97485422Oh, it is a great Derangement for a player who knows what they are doing. This same player loudly bragged about how they were using all of their powers in from of mortals, which both violates the Masquerade but also would have torpored them (repeatedly the STs had to save them from both blood and Willpower torpors). I'm glad the player is gone.
>>97485976Camarilla clans aren't schizoid control freaks who wield violence like a first resort, the pretend to be civilized. Also, defecting from the Cam is kind of simple but going to the Cam from the Sabbat most definitely isn't because now two groups hate you instead of just one
>>97485976Camarilla antitribu boil down to evil versions of the Camarilla clans, which is easy to accept. Sabbat antitribu, on the other hand, are good guys (or at the very least, anti-heroes) from traditionally evil clans. The rarity doesn't help with this, as the Sabbat is full of Camarilla antitribu drawn by the allure of the Cainite belief system and welcomed into the fold, but the number of Sabbat antitribu who were able and willing to abandon the Sabbat for the Camarilla, and given a chance by the Camarilla on top of that, are much rarer. So every Sabbat antitribu feels a bit like a Drizzt Do'Urden rip-off, a special snowflake who has proven his worth to the Camarilla and that he isn't a monster like the rest of his clan, even though he still has all of their cool and edgy superpowers.On top of that, the Tzimisce have no known antitribu (OC Tzimisce are independent, not Camarilla) so a Camarilla Tzimisce has an extremely high special snowflake factor and asking to play one is almost as bad as asking to play a pretty Nosferatu or a sane Malkavian. It just goes against everything that the Tzimisce are built on. If the Camarilla is water, then they are oil, they mix very, very poorly.
>>97485976I think Lasombra antitribu are cool personally
>>97485367>CofD doesn't get enough credit for all the stuff you can just do with it.My group did a campaign where we collaboratively built out an entire space opera setting.
>>97485961>people would be accusing them of being writer’s petsThey are.
>>97486271Maybe in V5. Before that, they were incompetent and hypocritical buffoons who struggled to hold on to the very limited territory that they barely managed to steal from the big boys, who didn't seem to care all that much about reclaiming that which was taken from them.The pre-V5 writers' pets are the Tremere.
>>97485242Gay hillbilly ex-marine drunk monk mothman? Seems a bit busy as a concept
Whats the funniest host and why is it the toad host? Fat overweight item collectors. Love it.
>>97486934I've never heard of one of the Fallen ever making a toad their host, don't they usually pick spiritually vulnerable humans?
>>97486963He's talking about the Hosts from Werewolf: the Forsaken.
>>97485868> Reminder that the Anarchs never had a meaningful victory at any point before GehennaAnarchs toppled the Cammy Tremere Elder in Perth and made an Anarch Free-State there. Also it’s very funny to say that “No one wanted LA” when both the Sabbat and Kuei-Jin tried, and failed, to remove Anarch control of the city. Not to mention the Brujah Council’s successes in the USSR before the whole, y’know, break up of the USSR.
>>97487407>Not to mention the Brujah Council’s successes in the USSR...Because establishing a totalitarian surveillance state is so very much in line with their ideals of personal freedom right?Very bad example anon, the USSR is probably the biggest fuck-up in anarch history.
>>97487453The B/C didn’t influence or intervene with Stalin or his policies. The Anarch movement isn’t about personal freedom for kine anyways so I hardly see how that’s a failing of the Movement. The B/C was much more communistic than its Soviet counter part so I doubt the same type of totalitarianism was extended to the Kindred but I’d have to find more reading regarding the B/C.
>someone replied to the Anarch spergugh.
>>97487513Are you surprised? We’ve been having the same conversation about how the Traditions (especially Verbena) are retarded and them being playable means MtAs sucks for at least a week
>>97487513Sorry anon, I’ll be more mindful of your tendency to whine like a little bitch when we don’t talk about what you want to talk about. So, what do you want to discuss ?
>>97487453KGBrujah game when
>>97485976From a lore perspective, the Sabbat are full "kill all apostates" related: the small number of middle eastern Sabbat before V5 transplants was one of VtM's biggest failings as a setting. There's so much overlap with them and Jihadis. , and while the Lasombra can kinda fit if they're mild (by Lasombra standards), the Tzimisce are a total mismatch with the Camarilla's way of doing things. Not to mention it can't be understated how bad vampire lineage feuds can be. Humans can keep blood feuds going on for centuries, but with vampires, there's far fewer generations of separation. Let a filthy Tzimisce into our city? Don't you know what one of their cursed ilk did to my sire?! That kind of stuff. Also back to Lasombra Antitribu, while I'm fine with them existing, they should be a fucking tiny percentage of the Cam. Their main shticks are already filled by the Ventrue, Tremere, and Brujah, all of which heavily outnumber them. Meaning Lasombra Antitribu would face a massive uphill battle to wield real, serious influence in the Camarilla. From a practical perspective, it's been my experience that people who wanna play Sabbat Clans (really any special clan) first, foremost, and (this is the big red flag) almost exclusively are just going to aimlessly wander from plot beat to plot beat looking for things to fleshcraft/shadow tentacle, then invariably implode when doing Sabbat things in the Camarilla game bites their character in the ass. >>97486257Hell yeah! Wasn't there a Mirrors setting for stuff like that? I distinctly recall a very fun image of a dude getting out of a cryo pod and seeing a near-man werewolf and a vampire drinking blood out of a pack.
>>97487543Well yeah, but this bait annoys me especially because there's theoretically a substantive discussion to be had with this topic but there's no way in hell it's happening like this.>>97487553I'm already discussing things. Your problem is you don't actually want to have a discussion about Anarchs or VtM as a setting, you're looking to win points for your fictional faction, presuming this isn't just an attempt at a (you) farm. Also, the primary source for a lot of the Soviet Union VtM lore is in Rage Across Russia, a Werewolf-Vampire mixed splat setting book. The chain of events that book puts forward is one of the most nonsense things I've read in VtM lore for a while. Brujah backing the bolsheviks? Yeah I believe that. Lenin then starts to suspect there's an invisible force at work (the aforementioned Brujah), so the Brujah kill Lenin. Then they back the Trotsky faction in the power struggle. The remnants of the Russian Ventrue back Stalin. How the Ventrue's man being Stalin, Purgemaster Xtreme, doesn't result in an immediate game over for the "Brujah Council" is beyond me, but they apparently exist until Baba Yaga wakes up according to that book. The one thing I do 100% fuck with is the Nosferatu were also backing the bolsheviks and immediately got backstabbed after they won by the Brujah, who in case you couldn't tell by the name "Brujah Council", turned into vampire racial supremacists. I know BJD added some more lore to the situation but I fucking hate BJD so I don't care. I'd say the Soviet Union VtM lore is so fucky it should be rewritten from scratch.
>>97486287Good editions: TremereChadsBad edition: Tremere badMakes sense to me.
>>97487614>Wasn't there a Mirrors setting for stuff like that?Indeed there was. There was also Infinite Macabre, I believe it was called, which dealt with vampires in fringe scenarios.
>>97487695Anon, I am not a troll, I do like to discuss VtM and Anarchs as a whole. You’d have to forgive me when I say things to “win points” when other anons write things like the “LA Free-state actually is a backwater.” I am going to read Rage Across Russia. Surely it can’t be as schizophrenic as your synopsis or else I’m in for a bad time lmao
>>97487705Infinite Macabre is the book with that.
>>97487696for me it's the humble Cudgel
Can I get a QRD on the current bait outside the werewolf pasta?
>>97487614>I distinctly recall a very fun image of a dude getting out of a cryo pod and seeing a near-man werewolf and a vampire drinking blood out of a pack.
>>97485367>Although the book talks big but in action awoos tend to be pretty bad in combat in comparission.In comparison to what? I don't like to compare oWoD and nWoD mechanically, the combat systems are different enough that it feels like apples to oranges. I will say that 1e Forsaken were probably the weakest at straight up combat full-splat Werewolves have ever been, even relative to everything else in 1e. Probably an overcorrection. Forsaken 2e on the other hand, I think the woves are in a good place. They can throw their weight around physically even with minimal investment, but at the cost of risking going utterly apeshit. You can still build a truly monstrous beatstick, but you have other build options. So many merits and gifts that encourage teamwork, like a pack of wolves. The buff/debuff "Werewolf Bard" is a really fun build. I also like how warform's big advantage is making you this constantly regenerating meat tank that will not die. I like the flavoring of that for werewolves.>>97487727Your initial post at the beginning of the thread reeked of bait, if you wanna come off as good faith, I'd cut the copypasta. It's sad, but we've had so many bad faith shitposters as of late that it's hard to take banter in stride. Personally, I don't have much to say about Anarchs in general. They just don't do it for me. As for Rage Across Russia, it's been like five years since I read that book, so I may have gotten a few details wrong, like I know the Toreador of Russia had something going on, even as a smaller player, but I can't recall what. I made a meme collage of quotes from the book, but I can't find it.
>>97487823Why is the she-wolf walking around with her tits out? That's a red flag and a half.
>>97487823>"If you two don't stop scratching up the walls for fun I swear to fuck I will throw your monster mash-asses out the airlock!">>97487858Might be a Pure-oid. They do shit like that.
>>97487750Don't get me wrong, it's still a mark of bad taste.
>>97487696Spiked club because it was my favorite in BF1
>>97487783Basically, there's one (probably) guy who has a weird obsession with poisoning WoD discussion on /tg/. He's not only here, he also regularly posts inflammatory stand-alone WoD threads. Stuff like "How can you possibly defend the Masquerade post 2010?", "V5, what went wrong?", and "How come Mage doesn't own the entire World of Darkness? How can other splats exist if they're so strong?" He's got one up right now, it's the thread talking about the Bloodlines 2 flop and its financial ramifications for Paradox. Now, I wouldn't know it was him if he didn't randomly throw in a dig at Requiem, despite VtR having absolutely nothing to do with V5 or Bloodlines 2. He was also behind the WtA separatist general, and the werewolf RP thread, which I've heard mixed things about. Why he does this, I don't know. Maybe he found it's a generally contentious topic so it's just a good (you) farm. Maybe he actually hates WoD and wants to make it a toxic topic. Maybe he just gets a dopamine hit whenever someone mentions him, like I am now. Probably his most annoying tactic is the tendency to take something reasonable and start posting an absurd version of it. I know this because he's done it to my posts many times. I say something like "There's definitely a stark difference in tone and theme between the Mark Rein-Hagen games (VtM and WtO) and the Wieck games (WtA, MtA, etc.), and thus it's reasonable to not be into both." Next thing I know, he's screeching about Wieckslop at the top of his lungs.
>>97487949>and the werewolf RP threadHe was def behind the original one (which is funny since it was probably the best out of all three WtA threads). He's probably behind the most reacent technocracy thread. At least the hunter one was good even if it went out with a whiper towards the end.
>>97487949If it has happened to you in particular so many times, maybe you are the problem?
>>97487976bro don't remind me about the hunter thread. Idk how people ran out of things to say when you could be dealing with anything and everything.
>>97487992What is there to talk about? All hunters do is hunt, the only interesting things they have to discuss are the things that they hunt. They’re one-dimensional as fuck, just like woofs.
>>97487696I prefer the humble steelbar mace.Also Tremere Clan stay winning
>>97487992We never had that many posters and most anons wrapped up their character's story in the beginning of the second thread. At least we had people sticking to the rules and no Arcanum posters
>>97487992I got really busy & could barely find the time to post about going into the portal, let alone formulate a half decent plot of what happened & I feel bad about it. I fucking hate winter so much its unreal
>>97487750>>97487886>>97488022Bec de corbin for longer rangeFlanged mace for closer range
make a mage thread since y'all love arguing so much
>>97487976Johnny is the best thing to come out of recent woof discussion
>>97488056Johnny predates the RP thread but it was nice to see someone take him and expand his lore a bit
>>97488042I hate to tell you this but Monstrum Obscura was 100% an Arcanist.
>>97488077No, that had to have been a vigil poster, he had to be. I refuse to believe otherwise.
>>97487783The weirdest troll as of late is the guy who keeps on insisting that anyone who disagrees with anyone else is oversensitive, even if the disagreement just leads to a cordial conversation without a single insult being hurled. Originally, this was limited entirely to Werewolf the Apocalypse, with the claim that anyone who disagreed with a negative opinion about that game in any shape or form was thin-skinned and unable to handle criticism, but it's spread to other game-lines too. You can't have a discussion about anything with two different points of view, without this weirdo piping up and bemoaning how no one's allowed to have an opinion any more. If he had his way, this general would be a barren landscape devoid of any discussion at all.
>>97488149thin skinned post
>>97488048Fair enough. I got sick about 1/3rd to halfway through the second thread.
>>97484741Both are built for BTC (Big Tzimisce Castles, as wall decors)
>>97480391>bastetI'll take two.
>>97487949>>97488149Also I distinctly remember him claiming that he was a Changelingfag during one of his manic episodes (because someone called him a Magefag) before he eventually shifted over to pretending to be a VtM supremacist
>>97487992For me personally, I wrapped up the character arc I had but also lost motivation to post because of some life circumstances
>>97487949If he’s the same guy screeching at the Verbena lately (the whole “real life wiccans are cringe and I can’t take seriously a game that let me play as one” bit) I’d guess it’s an autist with a very narrow idea of what WoD is supposed to be and is reacting like an autist who has his carefully crafted ideal being challenged by other autist
>>97487696Does a goedendag count as a blunt weapon? Cause the goedendag wins every time
>>97488649Nah cuz that guy does seem to have some genuine knowledge of occultism that makes me think he's just autistic about it, I've known people like that.If he isn't, it's some high effort trolling and deserves to be treated as if its real.
>>97488649Yeah I really hated that cause I kind of have an issue with verbena being wicca since wicca is fake as shit & the other traditions at least have some, i dont know, dignity/legitimacy to them? Since theyre much more old school occult stuff, but then that guy started ranting about them being cringe & how akashics are dumb wuxia dudes & it pissed me off. I think he just regularly posts about how Pentex & Technocrats are great & wolves are shit, but wasnt getting the attention he craves so he branched out
>>97488738> posts about how Pentex & Technocrats are greatHe couldn't have posted more obvious bait than this. Dude was acting as if pentex is the only corporation in wod.
>>97486934Probably them, yeah.>>97488149The weirdest one of these was when people were talking about Forsaken and nobody was even arguing.
>>97489063I've seen plenty of disagreements about Werewolf the Forsaken, typically regarding the appeal of the Forsaken and the Pure and the handling of Father Wolf and the Sundering of the Border Marches and how the game is supposed to be played, with most criticism of the game usually being met with "have you actually read the book" rather than an actual rebuttal.
>>97489123Yes, but that wasn't happening in that particular discussion. While I don't remember what it was about, there wasn't really any disagreement or debate.
>>97485367>Spirit stuff is just so easy to use and flexible in general that i wonder why they never did more with it.People get scared of the manifestation flowchart and similar bullshit. The other big criticism is how Forsaken lacks a hook for most people.
>>97489365To be honest I still think the manifestation flowchart (and it being combined with the awful Condition creep of CoD) is one of the worst additions of 2e. I can appreciate mechanising more solidly how spirits feed and how they can manifest across the shadow (1e had them "they just do sometimes cuz the ST wants to"), especially because it gives mechanical hooks to build around for dealing with them (Woofs and Mages especially, but it's good also for normie mortals or other splats).But the fucking Condition bloat is fucking awful and ruins in the execution what was a mostly solid idea.
>>97487949>>97487976Now I’m sad because I really liked the werewolf rp thread-Ginfolk>>97487992I blame me knowing not much about requiem/vigil, and having not much to say besides one or two concepts in hunted
>>97488056Thanks>>97488067It's not like there was a lot of time between me shitposting as Johnny here, & the creation of the wta thread, but it was nice to RP him
Is fang size really proportional to dick size?Asking for a friend.
>>97489618Condition bloat happened because they are consolidating every last lasting modifier on a character inclined stuff that would make more sense parts of a power.
>>97489891If this is true, do Caitiff who don’t develop fangs either have no reproductive organs (it’s just smooth) or do they stack overflow into having a comically large dick?
>>97489891Not unless you are a Gangrel.
>>97489694>>97489752I similarly liked the Werewolf RP, I'm kind of fucked on what to say for Vigil or CofD in general as the books are quite a lot to read.As much as I want to do a second run of it I'd feel it's best we wait a bit before doing one of the bigger splats though honestly a Pentex RP sounds pretty interesting though it'd just be WtA 2.0
>>97489891The one with the sharpest and biggest fangs win, that's Killing Bites
>>97489694Mistakes into miracles I guess. Our resident retard managed to do one good thing.
>>97489996I’ve been itching to do a Pentex rp thread for weeks. Like the /tg/ tower. Shame that I can’t post during the week on daytime. Only at night or on weekends when there’s barely anyone.
>>97489996The hunter thread specifically said that you could play oWoD hunters too though. We had a Society of Leopold guy.
>>97489996I want a Mummy/Wraith joint thread. Mummies & Wraith both interact with the shadow & skin lands & stuff so there's enough of an overlap
Gang, instead of an RP thread, just open up some kind of pbp low stakes server where you can be anything. You can play a Pentex officer, it's fine.
>>97490041That's fair, though if it's anything like the Hunter RP it'll be slow enough that nightly response posts should work out fine>>97490042That guy was getting roasted quite hard for being a Leopoldite too iirc but yes. This was more a problem for me as I couldn't quite get into Hunter easily
>>97490061Could be funny with the Mummies getting an appointment with their judges while Wraiths seethe over blatant violations to their laws over it>>97490104I think maybe doing full on WoD is too broad and is just an extension of the small-time RP posting we do on here where anons complain over companies or society
>>97490104>Low stakes pbp serverOkay but who the hell is gonna volunteer to run a mega-cross-splat server where people mostly chill? Not to mention low-stakes means Mr. Werewolf has to borderline break character by not shredding Mr. Pentex Middle Management. Also, you'd need to pick either oWoD or nWoD just for mechanics. >>97490137>That guy was getting roasted quite hard for being a Leopoldite tooAll in good fun, I assure you. I love the Society of Leopold for being such a hot mess that nonetheless poses a very real threat to vampires even in the modern nights. If someone's praising them, I'll mock them. If someone's mocking them, I'll praise them. One of my favorite PCs I ever had in one of the games I ST'd was a Leopoldite well kinda Leopold-Malleus Malefecarium hybrid but that's just how my table rolls. .
>>97490042>We had a Society of Leopold guyMore than one inquisitor actually, I was the one being more subtle
>>97489618>>97489952Condition bloat would have been unproblematic if they just put the Condition and what it does in the power. Unfortunately, I suspect part of the idea of Conditions was they were to cut down on word count. Still, I think the best of both worlds would to have done both, making there less of a disconnect between the Condition and power, while preserving the ability to flip to the Condition section when you need to check something real quick.
>>97490395The only problem is having to flip back and forth between two sections of the book to actually understand what some powers fucking do.
>>97490395Agreed. I put the actual condition effects in with the power when I was making my translation guide, and it made them a lot less annoying. But it also made me wonder what the purpose of conditions really was. Maybe in a physical game where you could print out every condition on cards and just hand it to a player it'd actually be really convenient.
the new thread should start with a whole questionnaire
I'm contemplating something."Theriocephaly" as a Mummy power. Let's you morph your head into an animals for powers. Maybe lean into some Fera aspects power
>>97491001isn't the former covered in the god forms in celestial heaku already?
>>97487872wtf I love the pure now
>>97490959I'm unronically up for this type of bullshit.
>>97490959could be nice
>>97490959Based, was going to suggest that
>>97491068Some Predator Kings will take the "honor nothing of human make" so seriously they don't wear clothes. Problem is those types also think shit like soap is something of human make so they're hardly lookers.
>>97491229Man imagine a smelly naked Werewolf GF with bad teeth this is just a Londoner now
make a new thread FUCK
>>97491334We are waiting on you
>>97491334nah man /tg/ is slow as molasses we're good for a while longer.
I HOPE WE WILL ALL BURN IN HELL
oWoD question How do you make or deal with the fact called shots are fucking dogshit bad and you lose damage shooting someone in the head vs shooting them in the chest just reduces your average damage rolled significantly due to higher dc’s, let alone the fact that if they can dodge it significantly increases the chance they’ll just do that and take no damage at all?
>>97491532Just homebrew weaknesses or minimum damages for called shots. Makes sense that hitting the head, even a weak one, might hurt a bit more. You can probably even flavor low rolls as just missing and hitting them in the ear
