Previous: >>97480791>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM >Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What's the minimum for you to consider a deck a "combo" deck? An instant-win combo, an infinite value engine, any sufficiently complicated synergy, what?
Fourty (40) starting life is objectively superior to thirty (30)
is this mf the best card in the set? I really dig the design.
>>97491154>is this mf the best card in the set?yesthis was clear the moment every rare and mythic was spoiled
>>97491154That's probably the most generically good card in the set for EDH, but the most based card in the set is either Soul Immolation or Mirrorform.
>>97491154I love how every one of the champion cards is just this comic in some form
>>97491146>make highly thematic and fun deck where every card makes sense in context>even come up with short larpy quips and concepts to say when playing each card>in terms of power deck is bracket 2, only by virtue of 3 cards does it fall under bracket 3>everyone playing bracket 3 just plays netdeck slop piles with no thematic cohesion, just what wins gamesI miss when nerds were actual nerds, instead of minmaxers with bad hygiene that got into this hobby through competitive video games.
>>97491220>that got into this hobby through competitive video gamesmtg has always been - and will always be - a pvp game regardless if its 60 or 100 cards with any kind of banlist/format/bracket restriction in place (or lack thereof)if you want to be an AI for me to beat up be my guest
>>97491220>I miss when nerds were actual nerds>look at me i make highly thematic and fun deck where every card makes sense in context and i even come up with short larpy quips and concepts to say when playing each card, i'm not a slopper like you pigs>btw ignore my 3 GCs in my ostensibly b2 deck don't you dare call me out for not being able to let go of my slop staples despite me just calling you out for using slop stapleskekw
What plane would you want to visit/revisit?Hard mode: They'll make it a 2-block set if you can come up with a basic story for it. I want a whole set on Shandalar.
>>97491141>want a new 4c commander option >love voltron, would like a 4c voltron deck that brings something new to the table. been dreaming of pic rel but 3+ colors for at least 15 years>Super State gets released, my dream aura but awful art>Human Torch gets released, my dream commander but awful capeshitI know your pain, friend.
Is it dumb to play mana rocks in green decks? I'm playing Frank Horrigan and using proliferate on mana rocks like pic related. I also have cards like Three Visits in the deck so I feel like it's too much or redundant
>>97491264>>97491264i don't really care for people's wishes but if i can get schadenfreude from them then by all means wotc make more UB
>>97491266that one's cute
>>97491266Land ramp is better than artifact ramp but synergystic ramp engines are better than one-and-done ramp spells.Use what works best for you and your meta.
>>97491266If they fit the deck perfectly? Absolutely not. With Frank I'd be running all the charge counter rocks like that and pic rel. Bonus points if you have some huge X spell to dump in the dozens of mana you'll very quickly have
Is she fun to play?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
How would you feel about sets based on real world history? We already kind of have some historical figures thanks to the Assassins Creed set like Leonardo and Cleopatra. But with UB being the norm, I feel like its no longer out of the question.
>>97491428UB: World War II
>>97491437More likely they'd choose WW1. Mustache man would be too controversial even though hed likely be the most popular commander overnight.
>get fucked most of the game by lifegain spiderman and the other red player playing act of treason on him and slapping everyone with him and Kediss>only deck without lifegain on the table>board doesnt really get interacted with>manage to draw into exactly caves of chaos adventurer with the dungeon being almost finished and fire crystal giving haste>exile Clive and draw 13>Fanatic of Mogis x 4 for lethalThat win felt good
>>97491428>Every creature is a fucking humanNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE boring as shit
>4 person game >Tiamat dragon swarm gets jumped by a zombie army and an aura voltron>Running Frodo Sauron's Bane, surviving off protections >Zombie army kills itself fending off aura voltron>Aura commander is 30+ more health than me>2 turns before the opponent thinks it's game and I should give up>Holy Day away lethal to me, dying next turn>Has my wincon lethal damage option held in exile by a creature>Psych him out by tutoring for a removal when I already have one to use his protection>Cast a second removal, get my wincon back, and swing for lethal>WinI've been hyped all day
>>97491428sabaton set
>see a powercrept version of a card I run>universe beyond spiderman or some other horseshit
>>97491454They'd make him unplayably bad on purpose and Mussolini would rotate Vintage.
>>97491562Literally how? The only card Spider-Man reasonably powercrept was a card that wasn't exactly stellar in the first place.
>>97491370I would see people clowning on it but genuinely duel commander was a blast. 30 life v 30 life 100 card singleton meant voltron, straight up beatdown, and combo all were good. 30 life normal commander or maybe even 25 would also probably be healthier.
>>97491569Imposing Sovereign vs Spider Woman for Ephara, God of the Polis. Not to say Imposing Sovereign was pushing the envelope but it has flying, adds more to devotion, better statline, more flexible to cast, and meaningfully better ability. Also on the fringe, I can find it with Thalia's Lancers. Don't like the choice between UB or a card that's shittier in every way including important ones.
>>97491589...you mean worse Authority of the Consuls, Blind Obedience, and Thalia, Heretic Cathar? That Spider-Woman?
>>97491569did they ever make the rest of the stone
>>97491220>>even come up with short larpy quips and concepts to say when playing each cardahah im sure you aren't an insufferable subhuman
>>97491690they are on the way, one per marvel thened set.isn't it exciting!?! :D
>>97491648Some decks you want the creature.>thalia, heretic catharSlower. Non basics vs artifacts isn't always an upgrade, artifacts stops some combos, non-basics is more broadly applicable.
>>97491428>blackwash history: the set
>>97491741You really don't need the creature that badly when 99% of the time "is a creature" is a drawback given that it will die to the most common form of removal in the format.
>>97491757>Black Hitler
>>97491146This is a question for the fellas who don't like companions: How mad would you be if you lost against a deck running partner commanders + companion combo?
>>97491891>Question for those that hate (thing): Would you hate (thing)?
>>97491890Elon should buy MTG and have a reverse-Netflix set
>>97491891too bad there's no companion that works with the first doctor + amy pond; you could have a virtual 5 cards in the command zone
>>97491915There is! See pic rel. Since Rule 0 exists and became mandatory, I don't think many people will disallow you using this companion.
Should I get a Troubling Pears?
>>97491835>dies to removalOh here we go. By the same logic it's also the type that will have the most competition on what else people want to remove, and is easier to protect and reanimate. Making it also cantrip itself is also very useful.
>you now remember that handegg is canon to Strixhaven and there's guaranteed to be more cards about itGodammit.
>>97492078Enchantments die to removal too, but they're way less likely to be removed as accidental collateral damage because someone needed to boardwipe or Yawgmoth has a bunch of fodder to sac. Why do you think elf ramp is so rarely played? It's because it folds to the first boardwipe.
>>97492145>elf ramp is rarely playedSo we're taking the piss?
>>97491355I have her at the head of a monk tribal deck and I like her. Prowess is just kind of a busted keyword, and the fact that you get to take from your opponents graveyard is nice, you can often grab ramp in the early game. Very often kills with commander damage too, any source of double strike (Boros Charm is an all-star, in my opinion) just goes ballistic when you combine it with stuff like Fists of Flame.
>>97491437Finally getting Benito Mussolini
>Kamigawa block spirits are statted JUST high enough they’re illegal targets for Meek Attack
>>97492128I'm pretty sure every sport in every country has advertisements.
>>97491355Jesus christ this is among the gayest flavor texts I have ever read.
>>97492433Yup. The cannonically autismal planeswalker got a quote like that. Personally, I know nothing about Narset's personality or character, but I would have made it something like this:>"Dragons. DRAAAAAAGGOOOOONS." Sarkhan screamed. He knew there had to be Dragons. It was Tarkir after all. But, as he started screaming about Dragons for the 57ths, Narset walked into the room, fell to her knees, covered her ears and started making a noise like a passing ambulance. Narset is autstic. Sarkhan screamed, Narset weee wooo'd. This continued into the night."
>>97492289>2 mentions of ads>somehow everyone who ever reads that post is obsessed with the fucking ads and nothing else
>>97492487Because nothing else about it makes any sense as an insult
>>97492505It's not an insult? It's banter. Mid high tier banter.
>>97491355I ran her for a while and she was fun but extremely sink or swim, def too strong for my playgroup and I'm looking for a new spellslinger commander
>>97492532if your playgroup can't handle her, you should probably just play tribal beatdown because lol, just lol
>>97492505The accuracy of it is what makes it funny
>>97492532>I'm looking for a new spellslinger commanderJust an innocent little signpost uncommon for draft, nothing to be worried about. You can't even cheat on mana with her.>proceed to make 60 mana and do storm things
>need 1 card from some UB precon>key piece of the deck mechanically speaking>precon sold out everywhere>the single is $25>had a UB specific name so it'll likely never be reprinted at scaleUB is just RL 2.0Hate marvelsloppa but im probably gonna have to buy the precons just in case they put a card on that becomes shockingly OP with new discoveries/releases in 1 or 2 years
>>97492597>Hate marvelsloppa but im probably gonna have to buy the precons just in case they put a card on that becomes shockingly OP with new discoveries/releases in 1 or 2 yearsGenerally why I buy UB precons.Look at the warhammer ones. Ghyrson Starn is like 40 dollars now.
>>97492597>>97492611>they got FOMO'd lol
I have a gruul omnath deck that I love. Is it worth going up the colors for the blue and white access? I've never seen anyone actually build a deck around the other two.
>>97492597>UB is just RL 2.0You're just realizing this now? The sad thing is, wizards doesn't realize that yes, making UW product would be expensive, but even 1 UW card in a set that was incredibly popular and powerful (orcish bowmasters, one ring etc,) would probably give then 10% sales increase from people casing it.
>>97492696Just play the phyrexian one and play all versions of your boyfriend
>>97492661Because the MO is real, anon. It's not a joke
>>97491981>rule zero became mandatoryAnte your worthless proxied deck to me NOW
>>97492724Do you really want a sol ring with a butt on it that badly? I'll just bring you one for free next week.
>>97492742YES. I would like this.
>>97492714>You're just realizing this now?I never said that
>>97492696I recommend going down a color and playing the mono green one.
>>97491154I wanted him for my Derevi tap/untap deck the moment I saw him, but I don't want to pay the price.
>>97492719You will live without le soopa speshul extra good double deluxe UB card, friend. It's a 100 card format, you're not going to see it half the time, and unless you're playing at the absolute highest power level, missing out on the """best""" card for a particular commander isn't going to hurt you
>>97492719Unless you collect precons you're better off buying singles and have other people take the risk of speculating
>>97492815Yes and your coin flip deck will live without krark's thumb.
>>97492842>NOOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! EVERY DECK I EVER PLAY HINGERS ON 1 CARD IN THE 99!!!!!!Proxy it then.You really are just creating problems for yourself you justify your addiction to sucking WotC's shenis.
>>97492842How are you missing out on krark's thumb though? It's not like the card can't be found anywhere online
>>97492815>>97492856>you dont need the card>wait, if you need it, just proxySilly anon.
>>97492859Irrelevant. The post is a direct response to >>97492815His argument is also shit because if you use this logic then why do we need a ban list since "lol 100 card format u won't see it most of the time"?Like is Thoracle cool now because there's only 1? I mean I can run 10 tutors.
>>97492594I've thought about building her or Tellah or the prowess dragon guy from OTJ. I do kinda like the new big mana izzet stuff that's been coming out so I might just>>97492597>UB is just RL 2.0Yeah obviously. Oldfags would be eating it up if it weren't outside IPs and it's a great excuse to have terrible reprint policies
>>97492856>proxy it thenImitation is the sincerest form of flattery(You) absolutely want to slob on wotc's knob, except you're paying in the form of being a walking advertisement
>>97492863>>you dont need the cardCorrect, in 9999 cases out of 10,000 you don't.>>wait, if you need it, just proxyYeah you deliberately came up with an extremely niche example where 1 card in the 99 actually is very important, and it wasn't even a UB card.>>97492869Yeah you seem to be some kind of retard that thinks the exception disproves the rule.
>>97492597Proxy it with an in universe name and art
>>97491264>do a lot of things>draw a lot of cardsthe good "do thing, draw card" type of commander
>>97492886You dont know much about logic, do you silly anon. Show me the sample. Preferably the whole data set. I want to see the results of 1 in 10,000 times needing the card. Is this on average? Is this the median? Is it rounded to a whole number? Was any data pruned? Or, are you being silly on purpose for attention?
>>97492935>loses argument>starts talking about logic and sourcesLmao>>>/reddit/
>>97491355I enjoyed her a lot until my pod realized she was kill on sight. Randoms don't enjoy having their cards touched so using her as pseudo theft grates on people since they don't like having to look through their graves for things for you to cast. >>97492872Tellah is very fun and it's kind of absurd how little people have caught on to how interesting he is in mid power. Being a token spitter for non-creature spells instead of just instants and sorceries is nice since it doesn't fuck up his gameplan of ramping with every big source you have available to detonate him with his 8+. The draw power on his 4+ is nutty as well since you have a lot of spells with overvalued card effects in that range that are trying to beg you to play them instead of their cheaper alternatives that are better in any other deck. I think since he can't get his cost effects from discounted sources people write him off. Here's my WIP.https://moxfield.com/decks/G5sLiABvO0qvuqilEVkWbg
>>97492886You dont need mtg in your life to begin with so your whole argument is a wash you're better off telling people to find a healthier hobby like gardening
>>97492950Hey thanks for sharing the list anon! I'll check it out
>>97492941>say something silly>it gets pointed out that it's silly>doubles down with hyperbole>starts shitpostingAs expected of country grown vegetables. I was asking about what you said. I also pointed out you said two incongruent things. And here you are talking of "winning arguments" and sending people to reddit.Shoo shoo little silly anon. You surely can get more attention acting less retarded elsewhere.
>>97492952It's not though. There's nothing wrong with buying and enjoying cardboard, but when you're actively describing how the purchase of cardboard is making you behave in a way you don't want to behave because of FOMO, there is blatantly a problem.>>97492976>say something accurate>redditor has a tard tantrum
>>97492990No tantrum. If it was accurate you'd have the data. You dont because it was hyperbole; I know this, you know this. You also said two things that directly contradicted eachother right beside eachother. I can continue this all day. Perhaps you should practice your rhetoric and logic if you're going to be a dumbass. Not everyone can be smart, and you certainly need more practice if you want to pretend.
>>97492990In the first place there's no such thing as FOMO for nonRL cards as cards are always available online, you only missed out on potential savings had you specced early
>>97492160Fellow Monk masterrace, do you mind posting a decklist? Mine eats massive shit constantly.
>>97493017nta but yes it's obviously hyperbole. There is no actual data set or case study about needing a card in your deck across ten thousand games.Is that all you got from his post? It's obvious that the point he's trying to make is that a single card in the 99 likely isn't as necessary as you think and isn't worth stressing over. If its exclusion continues to stress you out despite that, proxy it for peace of mind. No, I don't have a source in a scientific journal to prove this. It's common sense.
>>97493155>single card in the 99 likely isn't as necessary as you think and isn't worth stressing overA single card is more likely to be necessary if you play at a power level higher than bracket 2
>>97493033https://archidekt.com/decks/6261210/monk_classI guess, but it's really just a pet deck I enjoy, it's not really meant to be particularly powerful. For example, I have a rule that I'm not using any non-monk creatures in it. It's not a budget deck, but I have minded my budget when building it. I've also proxied art for it to follow a story throughout it as well, cards like Path to Exile and Supreme Verdict depict story beats for the deck.
>>97493155nta but this is a proven slippery slopeif they keep printing (like they have) mechanically unique cards in limited products that will never see a reprint. eventually decks can't compete or can't be built at all due to scarcity of needed singlesbut yeah, proxying is the answer. I stopped buying cards exactly because of this business model of theirs where they put uniques in secret lairs that get immediately scalped
>>97493249>but yeah, buying fake luxury bags is the answer. I stopped buying dion and chanel exactly because of this business model of theirs where they release new bags that get immediately scalpedImagine being oblivious that mtg is going the way of bernard arnault for half a decade nowDecks will still be built with the new cards by the way, you just wont be part of that group
>he plays blue
>>97493326I'd rather not have a pedo in charge of a kids company
>>97492882Dangerously retarded post
>>97493346Uh oh proxyfag melty
>>97493017>if it was accurate youd have the dataQuite possibly the least logical thing ive ever seen posted on the internet in my entire life.
>>97493351Im anti proxy. You are just not very intelligent anon
>>97493291>Imagine being oblivious for half a decade nowhow did you come to this conclusion. rhetorical question
>>97493357>i tell people to proxy>aldo dont you call proxyfags walking advertisements that's very hurtful>btw i'm anti proxySure thing sensei kun
>>97493293>my etali got countered once and I've been mad about it ever since: the post.
>>97493398I did none of these things except call you retarded anon, which is very true.
>>97493293Post one of your decklists.
>>97493441>>97493351
>>97493335like we have now?ok
>>97493474His name is chris cocks not chris pedo
What's your favorite reanimator commander? I was thinking about building Hashaton because he's really only vulnerable to instant-speed GY hate as far as his own ability goes.
>>97492900>Proxy it with an in universe name and art
>>97493484
>>97491220Right, and what three GCs are you running?
>>97493474Is cocks in the files?
>>97493487I like this art. It has nice coloring.
>>97493489How does it tend to play out? I imagine you could run it as a mix of group slug and reanimator. Goading is one of those strats that, in my experience, tends to either seriously underperform or overperform because it gets people frothing at the mouth and they start playing super aggressively.
>>97493484Bad Hell's Caretaker.
>>97493410nta, but blue players usually counterspell board wipes, then die to the guy the board wipe was for.after the game, they usually loudly proclaim that counterspells are bad in edh.
>>97493538
>>97493487WHy are you playing MtG if you're not gay?
>>97493682All right, fair.
>>97493326This is the most pathetic fanfic I've ever read
>>97493682Delightfully devilish
>>97493487This one's cute actually, probably one of the best price month arts they did>>97493489Damn shame they exile instead of sac
>>97493487Me in the back making drinks above the black elf lesbian
>>97493784>Damn shame they exile instead of sacWhile there are redundancies like eater of days and inverter of truth, the point of beamtown bullies as a commander is to discourage people from interacting with your infinite combo of choice by using the threat of a hasty instant loss
>>97492724Too bad Companion's in the CZ don't count towards the starting deck and can never be ante'd. :(If Treizeci were my only proxy than you might end up getting an old bordered Plains or some other fringe OS card. I'd gladly wager $0.02 for your Rhystic or whatever value town card you might use.
>>97493842Jokes on you i have a fully proxied cedh deck and the fact that 100% cedh tournaments are run while contract is banned is peak hilarity
MY FUCKING DICK
>>97493854Contract would be banned for power level reasons even if ante was legal, it's completely absurd. If you lose a game where you cast it your opponent deserves to take a card from your bum ass deck.
>>97493854>i have a fully proxied cedh deckWhy didn't you say that you like cock earlier?>contract is bannedTake advantage of people who don't know.
>>97493924Shiiiiiet I might have to get this and the klauth one
>>97493924Worst girl.
>>97493924>only thing of value is the dragon>it's only like 13 dollarsSounds like a huge waste of money to pay 70 bucks for that
>>97493924>UB shit
>>97493946Every single reason given for contract being banned everywhere is because it's ante and only ante, it's not even legal in vintageIf contract is too strong it at least deserves a few months destroying cedh in the spirit of fairness as western civilizations are known for
>>97494028>Noooo D&D is so out of place in magic
>>97494040It's not Magic, so yes.
>>97494047And now d&d is magic, just like thatSucks not to own the mtg ip to make sweeping changes i guess
>>97494047It is actually
>>97494079This D&D's own version of UB shit. All you've shown me is two games mutually suffering from the same problem.
>>97494089Magic is DnDDnD is Magic
>>97494047And anything outside of Dominaria is also not magic.
the only SL with some value in it
>>97494122Not even the most valuable.
>deck plays like shit>do nothing all game and watch everyone else have fun>lose desire to play it>spend weeks if not months without playing>make new deck>overthink every aspect to hopefully avoid a repeat incident >finally get opportunity for a game>deck plays like shitThis has happened like five times nowI have never won a game of commander and it makes me want to kill myself
>>97493487>that fucking beholder just murder whoever green lit this garbage
>make a control deck>other players get ahead on board>cast my sweeper>all of them have counter spells>one of them wins>other two get made they "wasted their counterspell" and that I should have been playing more control cards>can't play in bracket 2 because people don't run interaction >can't play it in bracket 3 because half the decks there are actually bracket 2, and its a toss up if the players have any game sense>can't play in in bracket 4 because people don't play for the board>can't run too many removal or its not fun>can't run too little because people expect me to simultaneously never have it and always have it at the same timehow you retards considered just letting the board wipe go through? and focus on rebuilding or use a board wide protection spell so you lose no creatures and cone out ahead, instead of your opponents also losing no creatures so they can win after you use your counter spell?
>>97494196That beholder is adorable.
>>97494196pipe down latinx
>>97494202The only legitimate control decks I've been able to play with are just using 1 indestructible commander or creature and 500 board wipes. Anything else is a waste, as running mostly counterspells leaves you to be board police with 0 assistance and then you get blamed anyway (Why didn't you counter THIS spell instead of THAT one?) or some guy just waits until you're tapped out policing and combos off because nobody else is going to run interaction.>>97494122Kino SL and lowers the value of the Exit From Exile precon by a ton, all its missing is Jeska's Will.
>>97491220Nerds care about mechanical cohesion not that gay larpy flavor shit you absolute faggot.
>>97494276it's crazy that they me expect be the removal for them, but counter the board wipe because they don't want to lose their 4/4 and wonder why the problem player and their engine is running away with the game
>>97494375Unfortunately pure control is mostly a lost cause in a 4 player game as most control cards are balanced to barely be a value trade for one opponent, if you play against multiple they will literally collude against you even if it loses them the game. Your best bet is to embrace the evil and play stax.
>>97494398>Your best bet is to embrace the evil and play stax.mono w is bad until you embrace what white does best>It does the same thing to me and my side of the field :^) its perfectly fair
>>97494047>yes I am a massive retard how could you tell?You need to unironically stop playing Magic
>>97494485good going ensuring the anon will stay out of spite
How do you stop running out of cards in a spell slinger deck? I'm running 14 goddamned cantrips and wheels and looting effects, but if you play too many spells the deck just stops working entirely and you sit there with no cards in hand.Artifacts are superior, unless there is some secret spice my spellslinging friends arent sharing.
>>97494168>makes me want to kill myselflivestream it
>>97494629>unless there is some secret spice my spellslinging friends arent sharing.I can share it with you but theres probably no point unless you have $1600 on hand to buy the cards to make edh storm functional
>>97494168What kind of decks are you running? What kind of power level does your pod play at? You could always grab a good precon and play in a bracket 2 with people, your deck will have time to do the thing and you will eventually get a win. It sounds like you're having some kind of power mismatch with the rest of your table.
>>97494549If some retard wants to intentionally inflict pointless stress and negative emotion upon themselves it's not my problem.
>>97494661Storm isnt spellslinger, I can storm just fine in a variety of ways, but sure I'm happy to look. Money is no object.
>>97494629play more cards with flashback/jumpstartplay past in flamesplay creatures that return spell from gy to hand or let you cast them directly from gy
>>97494677>Storm isnt spellslinger
>>97494679Check.Check. Hmmm, I dont really do that. Like Achaeomancer or whatever? I thought I was supossed to keep the creature count low for better probability hitting instants and sorceries.
>>97494629You run more card draw drug. If you're using wheels you're basically playing on easy mode.
>>97494693Wheels arent even particularly good in spellslinger really weird thing to say.
>>97494688>[Laughs in Galta]>>97494693Oh, so the deck should primarily be card draw. Fair enough, I thought 14 was a lot, I can juice it significantly.
Now that the dust has settled; what FF commanders did you keep playing long term? Any ones you enjoyed more than expected?
>>97494793no
>>97494793Golbez is now my second favorite deck and I also really enjoy Clive.
>>97494202can't play it in bracket 3 because half the decks there are actually bracket 2Dont worry the great filtering will begin soon
>>97494707>A +6 isn't that good
>>97494793Squall, to both answers. I initially thought he was unplayable dogshit, but he actually turned out to be one of the best voltron commanders in the game in my opinion (admittedly not a high bar since it's a relatively weak strategy in a 4 man game). His ability to constantly recur edict creatures, fetch lands, and artifacts your opponents destroy make him surprisingly hard to keep off the board, and a lot of powerful stax pieces are 3 or less cost so they're basically impossible to remove. You can also infinitely recur Cloud to use as a toolbox tutor for your equipment, and all the busted sword cards are 3 cost. I just wish he had one more color attached to him (preferably blue so you could play the rest of the FF8 cards for flavor).
>>97494793>what FF commanders did you keep playing long term? Any ones you enjoyed more than expected?I let valentine be the head of my mono B legends matter deck for a bit since its a dumping ground for my black goodstuff. I liked him but not as much as some of the previous heads of my nonsense pile
>>97494793I just really like chocobos and it's in a nice mid-range place powerwise for my local table's meta.
>>97494858Correct assessment on squall, he's a voltron commander that does more than just be kingmaker like lightning doesDont forget to run bouncelands so you have a discard outlet turn 2
>>97494849>"Hello little brother. Our time is soon."
>>97494895Om nom nom
Is spellslinger the best theme if you want a deck that can win using interaction type cards?(Through on cast ping effects to deal dmg)If not what are some other themes or commanders that leverage interaction and removal to win?
>>97494793I have a kind of functional golbez deck that I like a lot, it was definitely one of the more unexpected builds since I didn't go into the set looking to build him.I have a bog standard Cloud deck that is just the upgraded precon but it's nice since I didn't have an equipment deck My favorite is still definitely Yshtola as I think it's my most interesting deck, and I'm happy that it does fully function without her- it's a "draw extra cards to make stuff" with mill as the eventual payoff. But since there's so much natural card draw I can play a good amount of removal and play problem solver for the table even as I advance my own gameplan.
>>97494202>using bracketssucks to suck
>>97494847What does your Golbez do? I've been thinking about building him but he seems kind of muddled between the wide artifact plan and the reanimator plan
>>97494947>What does your Golbez do?many things
>>97494888Ah I didn't even think of that, good call.Also checked and relevant numbers.
I don't understand why this card gets such a bad rap. Like Temple of the False God and shit I understand, tapped duals I understand, but Reliquary Tower? It's an extremely comfy effect to have with minimal opportunity cost and any deck with copious draw has a high chance of getting value from it. If you're 4/5c or super pip dense I can see it tapping for colorless being a real downside but if you can't see yourself getting incidental value out of it you're not running enough draw.
>>97495012It was an overly recommended staple in the early days of the format and people overcorrected. You're not wrong that most two color decks can find room for it, but also manual discard is not only rare but for it to force you to discard something you need later is even rarer. Games aren't slow enough anymore for that sort of resource accrual to matter, engines and synergies end games rather than raw card draw.
>>97495012Mostly because people overvalue it. If you're discarding to hand size, it usually means:>You built your deck poorly (you're not able to play the cards in your hand)>You're about to win anyway (you are able to play the cards in your hand and still got 8+)There's some cases it's useful, but a lot of the time it ends up being a way to kick the can down the road with bad deckbuilding choices.
>>97495012It was a ubiquitous staple for years when it had no reason to be, once people got a bit more knowledgeable they over-corrected. That being said; it is a bit whatever; a lot of times it can be pretty winmore, and there are so many solid colourless utility lands now
>>97494934>can't play in weaker pods because people don't run interaction>can't play it in in-between pods because half the decks there are actually precons that have 5 cards replaced, and its a toss up if the players have any game sense>can't play it in cedh because people don't play for the board
>>97495012I don't often need to be holding 7+ cards in hand, nor get to that many
>build 37 land deck>goldfish it>screw>screw>screw>go up to 38>play first real game with it>flood
>>97494793Definitely picrel
>>97495078Happens. I swear when I keep like a 4+ lander on archidekt just because I'm not getting good hands, THAT will be the run where my next 3 draws are all land
>>97495012I run 5 colors and cannot even fit in 1 colorless land
when are they soft banning more shitty mechanics like mill and discard like they did mld? they deserve to be put in the brackets that they are unplayable in because they are only fun for the one guy that plays them and nobody else god dammit. no-one will miss them either
>>97495132>MillUH-OH STINKY
>>97494793Ardbert, Lyse, Omega, Kuja, Celes, Cloud, and Y'shtola were all built, played, and kept together. I built Esper G'raha Tia but I haven't gotten a chance to play it. I'm currently working on monoblack Vincent Valentine and Tellah has been taken for a few test runs but I'm not 100% finished with it. I still want to build Golbez, Choco, Clive, Ultima, Jenova, Boros Sephiroth, and maybe Estinien. I like Final Fantasy.
>>97494793Been having a ball with this as Sultai sea monsters
I was thinking of building Vivi but a friend told me he's doghshit outside of cEDH, has anyone played on a 3/4 bracket with him, how was it?
>>97495078This is why I always do 100 goldfishes for the sample size. Sometimes variance happens.
>>97495194Yes he is dogshit if you don't run any noncreature spells but aside from that he's very strong.
>>97495132Hate. I hate this post. I'll assume it's bait made just to make me mad. No way a human both plays for more than a year and feels this way.
>>97493924>they are saving the Lae'zel / Min drop for another 2 years
>>97495194He's still excellent in those brackets since he's unable to do anything fair unless you're sandbagging and playing wrong on purpose.
>>97495194Vivi is worse than flip ral in cedh and if you play vivi in a lower bracket you will 100% be hated out of the board
>>97494947My golbez is a go wide and dump my deck into the graveyard and then use stupid creatures like the vanilla 7/2 from aetherdrift or revenant to ping everyone for increasing amounts, then pitch the stuff back into the graveyard using discard synergies to give me other cards I actually want to put on board. It's not really good but it is fun>>97495012As other anons have said, discarding to hand size is more of a "feels bad" problem more than it is ever a tactical or strategic one. any deck that uses rummage or loot effects is basically making the same choices, and people actively seek to put multiple of those effects in decks. There are always going to be cards that aren't AS useful in a given situation and with a 99 card library it's not like you won't draw other cards that do what you need.There's also the old philosophy of looking at the number of cards in your library at the end of a game and knowing that any given card you discarded could have just been in the cards you didn't draw that game.
>>97491220You sound like a blast to play with. Years ago, a few friends of mine and I would play with decks based on a few of the Ravnica guilds. We'd take hours for a single game because we'd play in character as representatives of our respective guilds.
>>97495194He is at worst a 3cmc dork with a guttersnipe effect, 90% of izzet decks would be improved with a vivi in it somewhere
>>97495194In bracket 3-4 you can still run curiosity so yeah it's still a strong deck. The only difference when it comes to the other brackets is fast mana and the best free counterspells. So it's still pubstomp tier. Which is fine if the other players are playing the same type of deck.
>>97495218>they are postponing two troons for another 2 yearsbased?
>>97494793she cute :)
>>97495269There is no pubstomping teir?
>>97494793Pic related and landfall Tifa
What deck will you be playing this week?
>>97494947Spew artifacts to surveil and fill the graveyard. Make sure you have a lot of protection because once people know what you're doing they will group up on you, which is partially why I love the deck. I really feel like the villain of the table when I play it.My favorite play I've ever made was casting Metalwork Colossus for free only to spell swindle it myself to gain a boatload of treasures that I then used to activate Gogo in my end step and triple Golbez's trigger. I then got back Metalwork Colossus, Death's Shadow, and Apocalypse Demon to hit the whole table for like 45 damage. One of those once in a blue moon plays that required everything to be in the perfect position but I sustained myself off that high for months.
>>97494793I'm straight so I don't own any Final Faggotry cards, sorry
>>97494793Still haven't built any of them yet, but I plan on trying Lyse, Hildibrand, The Emperor, and Zodiark at some point.
>>97494793None I'm not a pedophile
>>97495367All tier's are pubstomper if you want them to be, the bracket rules are garbage.
>>97494793>TifasI wanted to like the Italian Tifa, but she just isn't that fun. Wish she was Jeskai. Green Queen has become a fun deck because of how lethal she is and everyone sits there nervously watching to see when you're going to try and slam her down. >Bant YunaBuilt her with summons. Extremely fun and flavorable. Biggest flaw is the total dearth of Saga Creatures that trigger her abilities, with barely a dozen cards to choose from. If wotc ever pulls its head out of their asses and actually supports new designs and we get new saga creatures she'll be even funner.>YshtolaBuilt her as a Nekusar/group hug deck where I hurl out cards and hurt people for drawing. Strong as hell but really it's hard to fuck her up. Kind of boring but I already had a Breena deck that had most of the cards so it cost little to make it esper.>BluluDisappointing. Fun concept, but there just aren't enough stun counter cards currently in the game and in general it only affects voltron decks or decks running very few big creatures. Might get better with time.
>>97495413While true, the brackets are garbage, technically all the "pubstomping" was relegated up the brackets (the whole purpose of their design), which means that if the deck is legal in that bracket, it is no longer pubstomping.
>>97495413Tell us your rule zeroes so we can break them and pubstomp you
>>97495429there's too much variance in bracket 3, and bracket 4 is a joke
>>97495438And why do you think that has anything to do with pubstomping?
>>97495209they soft banned MY fun jank and there is no reason why they shouldn't extend this to other unfun mechanicsI will never not be mad I can't play blood moon against 5 color slop anymore without being called out.others VILL pay and see how it feels when they are in the receiving end
A card can only trigger or be activated X times per turn cycle, where X is how many turns the game has had.So if you somehow blue ritualed out a rhystic study on turn 1 it could only trigger once until your next turn.
>>97495012All the 'it isn't relevant anymore' posters are bad, the real reason it isn't as valued is because most decks are now 3+ color slop piles and having colorless lands is bad when you need to spend 1/3rd the deck just for fixing
>>97495479Stop using brackets then. I don't have this issue.
>>97495479>they soft banned MY fun jankThey soft banned chaining extra turns and mld because far too many people dont know how to win with them and simply durdle and waste everyone's time, same idea with selfish johnnies durdling with paradox engine and that's why that thing will never see the light of day againDiscard and mill may make other people angry, but what they dont do make the cardinal sin of wasting people's time, they actually make games exciting as they boil down to who topdecks the bomb
>>97495479So your plan is to... complain? Damn bro, bretty gay. I just want them to unban Paradox engine.
make control great again
>>97495506discard and topdecking is the definition of time wasting tho
>>97495508why are you complaining?
>Next week is our post-B&R show. So we have a banned and restricted announcement coming next Monday, the same day as the D&D secret lair drop sale. So, you know, stop by for the drop, check out the B&R announcement, and then the next day on Tuesday will be the weekly MTG show where we talk about what happened on Monday and what we announced. This B&R is special. As a reminder, we not only have our regular B&R announcement, but we're doing commander as well. So we've been talking about the commander format committee for a while. They've come back with some recommendations and some changes. So we'll be announcing those next Monday in addition to our 60 card constructed formats.
>>97495530If topdecking was a waste of time /ygo/ wouldnt exist you dingus
>>97494793Jenova has been my jam for the past year. Everyone underestimated her
>>97495556Playing yugioh is a waste of time
>>97495479Your "fun jank" was also mechanically overpowered in ways no one enjoyed. Mill isn't good at all outside of specific combos that are telegraphed by your commander being exactly Bruvac. Mechanically it does nothing until it wins though deckout since the cards being milled weren't in rotation while in your deck and are now exposed to the game state by being in the graveyard. Discard is annoying but it's not a well supported strategy in commander and has a bit of a ceiling due to your opponents always having access to their command zone. Mana spent on discards would be better off spent on removal and counterspells since you draw less aggro, can hit the opponent's commander, have a lot more options, can play at instant speed, and act after the opponent has spent their mana.
>>97495556Yugi has crazed deck manipulation powers; Yami Yugi literally has an ability to manipulate his top deck at any time along with the rules of the game to win.>>97495540I'm not, you're being a big fag.
>>97495563It's a mighty great success for konami though so thanks for proving topdecks are good
>>97495574>along with the rules of the game to win.All his opponents did this so it's only fair.
>>97495568Behold: The Opinion of a Guy Stupider than the Stupid Guy He Was Arguing With. Impressive.
>>97495586Nice argument retard.
>>97495581While true, he was the tippy top of the bullshit calvinball pyramid and just flagrantly cheated all the time. So did his opponents, but it's not a good example of top decks being cool. Now Archfiend Decks and Hellbent. That shit is cool.
>>97495592Why would I argue with a dumbass who only plays commander and doesnt understand why interacting with lands is important to the health of the game? I was insulting you for being stupider than a stupid guy saying incredulous bullshit. There was no argument.
>>97495604You interact with lands by being the first to combo off
>>97495574yah huh
a reminder that this hobby is already a waste of time so there is nothing wrong with long games
>>97495604We're not having a conversation about 60 card. I can talk about the intricacies of hand ripping and milling opponents in Yugioh too if you want to go completely off topic. I can write an entire master's thesis about Tearlaments, Runick, Gishki hand loop FTK, and Dark World but that wouldn't have much to do with EDH in /edhg/.
>>97495630BUT MORE GAMES = BETTER
>>97495614You're a cool guy. We are friends.>>97495632We arent having a conversation at all. You're being insulted for being stupid, and dont drag Dark World into this.
>>97495556YGO also bans every way to consistently handrip your opponent because as it turns out Forceful Sentry and Confiscate aren't good design yet people will endlessly cope about Thoughtseize and Grief.
>>97492976>As expected of country grown vegetablesYo been a while since I last saw you schizoanon how have you been. Got any new deck posts for your excel?
>>97495654That's because you cant reliably draw cards in yugioh you dork.
>>97495654A thoughtseize that makes your opponents reveal their hands on top of taking a card from the biggest threat is all i want
>>97495429No anon you see, we built brackets to streamline powerlevels instead of going with vives, but if you just adhere to the rules of the brackets you're doing It wrong, you have to go with vives. Brackets are very smart
>>97495659Someone remembered me? I'm honored. I took about a year break; didnt want to be around for the whole Spiderman Final Fantasy nonsense. It blew over nicely. My friend nagged me to come back, I had fun playing some of the top tiers, so here I am. I posted my crazed Zuko deck the other day along with my pet Yawgmoth deck. Saw some familiar posters. Good times. The excel sheet? I'm mad at excel for getting a stupid update at my job that corrupted a fuckload of data due to a cloud sync issue, but you're right. I could start it up again. Mostly wrote a book.How have you been keeping? Staying out of trouble?
How's the hollanigga? This and Rielle are decks that interest me a lot but I'm aware they're different. Who is better? Who is more fun?
>>97495739I'd pick the shark pirate wearing poofy pants over a grandma imo
>>97495739Holler is pretty fun and has the tremendous upside of teaching commanderbabs it's okay to discard your own stuff.
>>97495716Learn to threat assess then. You already get to see their whole hand so picking the correct player is the bare minimum.
>>97495729Oh I've actually mostly quit. I could't stand the UB shitstorm so I just play some games here and there with all proxied decks at home with friends since my LGS wouldn't allow them. I come back here every few months to ragebait so not fully out of trouble hehe
>>97495679Damn guess it was all my imagination.
>>97495766Reminder that you ultimately have three (3) opponents>but that'll powercreep thoughtseize!Lol
>>97495791I'm sorry it's too hard for you to figure out who the threat is without seeing their whole hand in addition to all other information.
>>97495794Proof of thoughtseize being used in cedh next thread?
>>97495800Proof of you not being brown next thread?
>>97495752>>97495758Any tips for him? On first sight I'm guessing I should value creatures with other various effects (so Scrounging skyraider and Sirena stormtamer are ok but Slither blade is a trap) Also I should incorporate some spellslinger element to cast a lot of looting spells since free/cheap repeatable discards are sparse?
>>97495809Concession accepted
>>97495817I accept your concession.
>>97495819Ok brownie
>>97495823Darkie mad no MH4 this year for Grief 2.
>>97495776Glad to hear it. Ganbatte kudasai, I'm proud of you. Remember, we're here forever, we're all going to make it, and I spent way too long selecting this meme for you.
>>97495843>brownie mad that discard is fine but mld is not lol
>>97495716Valki is pretty close. Ive been brewing that
>>97495851Darkie seething Tergrid is still a GC
>>97495433I wouldn't rule zero because I'm not a fag.
>>97495864I play bracket 3 which is a designated no brownie zone
>>97495849Cheers anon, have a nice run
>>97495864absolutely Epstein brained
Wait, people know eachother here? There are regulars?
>>97495943Just pay a bit of attention to posting style, catchphrases, files attached, etcIf you're racist it is easier
>>97495963>catchphrases, files attachedThis only works until people begin adopting it as a memet. Guy who started "this didn't happen btw"
>>97495943Always has been. Why are you surprised a general that's been around a decade and a half has consistent posters?
>Playing multicolor commander>80% or more of the deck is a the same colorI dont know why but this bothers the hell out me when building a deck.
I actually like playing against mld because it's the only time I can play my mono-blue control deck and not be the bad guy at the table.It packs 32 counter spells btw
>>97495556>>97495574Yugi didn't have powers he was just a filthy cheater.>I draw. I don't want this card. I'm drawing again.>Yugi you can't do that. That's against the rules.>You retard.
>>97496082>Yugi didn't have powers he was just a filthy cheater.No it is literally canon that he can manipulate the top of his deck via magic. Ishizu says it flat out.
>>97496022>It packs 32 counter spells btwholy BASED
How to become /edhg/ regular?
>>97495574>Yami Yugi literally has an abilityTo be ENTIRELY accurate it's the millennium puzzle's power to manipulate fate, not something that the pharaoh has direct control over
>>97496117That sounds an awful lot like cheating but with magic.
I counter your spell. Oh, my turn? I draw and hit you with a bird. Scry 2 your go.
>>97495194tldr, get in the cage
>>97496180Building this as a polymorph deck right now. Having fun doing it, have 3 cards left to include, wondering what to add.
Post your super secret underrated tech.
>>97496265
>>97496265Here's mine
>>97496200What are you polymorphing into?
>>97496265The classic.
>>97494858>>97494793https://archidekt.com/decks/17740298/the_lion_king Wound up really loving Squall myself and pulling together this list. I also have a Chocobo deck and a Cloud Ex-SOLDIER list with Living Weapons on the side, but Squall's become my favorite.
>>97496180Cavern of Souls, naming Homarid. Your go.
>>97496265Works great in my spellbook deck and fetches Jowgen.
>>97496341I loved the transmute mechanic.
They're going to announce the hybrid mana change next week
>>97494793Jenova, my beloved...
>>97496597I pulled 2 copies of her during my pre-release and nearly decked myself from 2 iron giants I had built up.
>>97490669Piss will also be humanity's savior because it's the easiest way to bring new sources of Nitrogen with us to the stars. Hydrogen and Oxygen are the ones people are super worried about but Hydrogen is insanely abundant and Oxygen will be produced as a consequence of so many industrial processes that it's simply not going to be a problem, even on a terraforming scale. But Nitrogen is going to be a bit of a stumbling block for us; air is mostly Nitrogen by volume so if you want the air that is comfortable for humans to breathe and won't pop off an explosion due to an oxygen-rich environment, we'll need a lot of Nitrogen and we can't take enough with us, though we'll definitely be bringing up a staggering amount of Ammonia or liquid Nitrogen to kickstart things. Which leaves urea.
>>97496330So far, Aboleth Spawn, Fatespinner, Enduring Curiosity, Hullbreaker Horror, Junk Winder, and Starwinder. Got any hot suggestions? I figure I could use either a Blightsteel, Titan, or both, but I'd rather use something interesting/cool.
>>97496003this is literally the correct way to build multicolor without being one of those fags who think every deck needs off color fetches and proxied duals. color lean is for people who know how to build.
>>97496674nta but I ran Tidal Force in an esper list that was kind of reanimator-ish and that card was not nearly as terrible as I expected it to be. Also Inkwell Leviathan is a stylish big idiot but not a very good one.
>>97494793Kefka. Flicker good stuff.
>>97496674Usually everyone will have at least a couple removal or ramp spells in their GY and it'll also make you a few more birds
>>97496721Eh. Maybe if I wanted to run a jankier list but these are not cool enough.>>97496759This though, is a great suggestion. Thanks anon.
>>97496674>polymorph>more than one creatureWut.
>Animator player has 5 creatures which are part of an obvious combo and he reanimated an avacyn so not like we can do much else>Only answer I have is gravepact>Will have 6 creatures after I do some shit to make some tokens>Play it, explain to the table yeah, I can make him sac 2 creatures, but if we want to clear his board and hold on him likely winning, I need them to block my 3 other creatures to give us a reset, and tell them for 3 turns I won't kill any of my shit to make them sac so hopefully they get removal.>They don't agree>Reanimator player combos off on their turn while only playing 1 extra card that we didn't know aboutTrying to politic just so we can play more is hard man.
So, are the brackets real? The reason I ask is because I was COOKING. Followed all the rules. Made a deck that fits into bracket 2; no combos, no game changers, no mld or whatever. Now it's expensive. It's fast but within the rules. I assume no one who thinks the bracket is a safe space will be able to beat it. Is it the kiddie pool and complaining land? I dont mind, the deck's not for me, but I was curious.
>>97496970The hard rules for bracket 2 can still lead to a bracket 3 or 4 deck due to how well it performs and how well tuned it is. Remember that there's an expectation of 8 turns for bracket 2 and six turns for bracket 3. If you're designed to always pop off on turn 5 you probably shouldn't be playing the deck in bracket 2 pods. Not only because that's probably cutting short games in an unsatisfying way compared to everyone else's expectations but also because opponents always having an answer isn't an excuse down there. Once you get to 3 and 4 you have an argument for everyone needing to be prepped to stop your bull rush. In 2 you have to expect people aren't making perfect deck building decisions. Here's your bump btw.
>>97497015Who cares if it's satisfying? They wont find it satisfying anyways, even if it fits within their timeframe. No terminal loops. Death comes with combat damage. Super consistent. There is an even more consistent version with minor tweaks.Is it "game ends" t8 or "some doorknob gets blasted into the sun" t8? Those are very different situations.
>>97496970>Hey guys I'm trying to angleshoot the table will they just sit there and take it?I dunno anon use your brain for that one.
>>97497068Why is it angleshooting? B2 being the kiddie pool is fine. I just didnt know if that was the expectation.
>>97497058It's "Generally, you should expect to be able to play at least eight turns before you win or lose."So technically earliest for bracket 2 would be 8-9 turns if you take it literally
Local shop is doing one of those "Partners without Partner" nights, and I've decided to make a Meld pairing for the deck. Either Bruna+Gisela, or Fang+Vanille. Either way, got a question about an interaction, specifically Commander Damage.I know with the normal Commander Damage tracking with Meld, stuff like Mishra, Urza, or Titania still count up since they're just the commander. But what happens when both halves are considered your commander? Should I just track them separately (like Bruna is at 3, Gisela is at 5, Brisela counts each up separately)?
>>97496970No, brackets aren't real. They're the kind of guidelines adults gave you on the playground to stop fights that only happened in their imagination, the kind that gave the sniveling little tattletales an edge. You can safely ignore them or anyone who talks about them. If they continue on or give you an ear ache, just bully them and they'll shut up and run home to 4chan to cry about it here.
>>97497171You track commander damage for Partner separately in a normal game afaik, IDK about your homebrew format.
>>97497186i know you track Partner is separate. The issue is that Meld becomes one singular creature.
>>97497195It's not an issue to the explanation. Track it separately or homebrew a new rule.
>>97496970>>97497058post this supposed bracket 2 killer list so we can laugh at (You)
>>97494793Mr.Worldwide!>tfw deck has no duplicate lands
>>97496192i'm absolutely getting a vivi once he gets an in-universe reprint
>>97494793None. I tried several commanders but none were very fun.
>>97494793Terra is my pet deck that I'm trying to figure out how to make work. Celes is my borderline cEDH list with Persist loops and Breach shenanigans. Kefka is just a degenerate piece of shit for flicker value, with Breach lines as well.Built Vivi for a bit, but being hated out from T0 got old real fast, so I just swapped him back to Ral, and reminded everyone that Manual Storm is always an option when you don't want to let me build a meme list.
The more I play it, the more this deck is my favorite deck to play. Not complicated, not brain-dead either. >post decks
>>974947935 decks actually. Stilzskin, Tataru Taru, Cyan, Minwu, and Alisaie (partnerless).
>>97496192I need to break my Grixis dry run and this seems fun. I tried brainstorming how to build Zevlor but I couldn't fully commit to the playstyle.
>>97497426Dude wants to be mr 32 mono white decks so bad
>>97497514That guy is based
>Be stuck on 2 lands for 4 turns because I was greedy with open hand>Play this>Entire turn rotation>Tutor for toxic deluge and play it>Entire turn rotation>Tutor for opposition agent and play it>Table scoopsPretty surprising. You'd thinking after 2 free tutors plus whatever was in your hand that one one would have gotten removal for it, but I'll take it.
>>97497533americans being among the countries with the highest average income naturally have people who can't strategize for shit that just happen to be able to afford games like mtg
>>97497422no elegant parlor wtf
>>97497533>card that can potentially let every deck win in 2 turns stays 2 entire turns on the table without anyone winningdid you play against ultra scrubs
>>97497579I try to keep lands that come in tapped to a minimum, especially in a deck that tries to be fast like this one. I took out Rabanastre for a Mountain. I have no idea why that was still in there. I think Rustvale Bridge is the only land I have that comes in tapped, and it's indestructible which if of course because of Armageddon.
>>97497614Apparently. Two of them did put put pieces that were creatures, but then ate the wipe.
>>97497422can't let go of the mld even though it has nothing to do with the strat i seeyou're better off replacing the armageddon and ruination for tpro/tithe/gamble
>>97497171if you meld your commander, it's the same card as your commander and does commander damage. so then melding your partners means it's the same card as partner A and it's the same card as partner B, thus it's both of their commander damage.so if you have 4 gisela and 0 bruna damage on someone, hitting them with gisuna will put them at 13 gisela and 9 bruna damage.
I realized I don't really have a big stompy deck, is atarka fun, I kinda wanna build dragons
>>97497678If you want fun you don't build big stompy decks
>>97494793Vivi is still really fun, in the very small chances I get to play him, garnet is also really funBut honestly Zidane is one of my favorite decks to play in general, boros theft with some group hug stuff to randomly pop off or fuck with people's boards is a lot of fun. Especially stealing someone's commander then gifting it to someone elseI haven't had a lot of time to play amarant yet. But I love all the FF9 decks I built
>>97497681I want to actually hit people for once, all I play is aristocrats and burn
>Boggart Mischief>Cather's crusade >omniscienceGuess which one got removed.
>>97497688Tons of ways to have combat matter without dumbing yourself down to the most boring deck archetype.IF you are going to do it anyway, please at least give it a subtheme or something.
>play 2 games tonight>both games I get fucked over as I'm about to win>both games the next player immediately kills all of usI know it's not technically against any rules but it's still fucking annoying that I lost basically just because of the turn order.
>>97497777turn order has been the single biggest decider for who wins and loses in my pod. It got so bad we had to start moving people's seats around if they were playing certain decks. The fact that a control/combo player going earlier in turn order gives them so much control over the game is just insane.
>main strategy is unga bunga>no protection, no combat tricks, just unga and then bunga>one friend goes completely insane every time because my decks have wincons and not just goodstuff piles>"making zurgo helmsmasher unblockable feels shitty">doubles his life total>"trample haste and double power? I can do literally nothing">draws 20 cards with his necropotence>"you got how many treasures from the titanic???">put the 38th +1/+1 counter on his hexproof angelam I doomed to get bitched at forever
>>97495963>If you're racistwho isn't?
>>97497785based cardcringe story
>>97497803fuck off kevin, your lifegain deck sucks ass
>>97497785make magic like this again
God help me friends. I broke. I ordered it.
>>97497784>pod still hasn't figured out I always take the seat between the two worst players
>>97497839>sit next to control player>kill him first when i got the opportunity because otherwise i'll eat all the interaction
>>97497627Any 2c minimum deck should at least run one surveil land as an option select for all the fetchlands if you've got them.
>>97497832she cute
>>97497846I don't own any surveil or fetchlands
>>97497846I don't agree
>>97497784>The fact that a control/combo player going earlier in turn order gives them so much control over the game is just insane.new to mtg?that's why player's always choose to go first when they win the die roll.
>>97497832I know that feel bro.
>>97497859I strongly encourage you to pay close attention to all the spots where your deck doesn't use all of it's mana in your opening hand rollout. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get the surveil while still playing everything you need.
>>97497937not how it works but okay
>>97497947Exactly how it works with fetches actually.>Need all of your mana the first few turns? Grab a shock/basic with your fetchland and play on curve. Nothing has been lost>Keeping but nothing going on during turn 1? Use the fetchland to get a surveil>Holding a single mana for path to exile and nobody plays a good target? Fetch on the end step before your turn and get the surveilIt's better than razorvale bridge I can promise you that much
>>97491566ITS MORBING TIME
Thinking of making a new deck with this.From what I gather, it seems to play passive most of the game and your win con is putting enough counters on certain permanents to win.Never played that type of strategy before.Is this card good for it or is there better?
>>97498195>simichere we go...
>>97497965i play mono colours and can't fetch any of them.fuck surveil
>>97494793None of them really. When I heard the set was going to be a thing I was planning to build whatever Warrior Of Light was going to get, regardless of what his card did, but he got a fucking reskin of all things and I don't want to use a fucking reskin. Besides him I've been considering The Emperor but I just haven't gotten to it yet.
>>97497818"SARACENES could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this part of Jerusalem before. There could be SARACENES anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his waffenrock. "I HATE SARACENES" he thought. Ave Maria reverberated his entire horse, making it pulsate even as the 2 Groschen wine circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of heretics after dark. "With a horse, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.
>>97497422>Cerodon YearlingHave you ever considered running his father just for fun?
>>97498202control yourself for once.
>>97495813I was asking about him a few threads ago, some anon there was mentioning how he ran him very voltron style just because with one wheel he can get huge and smack out of nowhere, which is exactly the kind of glass cannon I love playing.I'm leaning more towards spellslinging with mine, got a bunch of cost reducers and planning to just chain wheels until I hit an extra combat spell, but thats because I love not knowing if my plan will work. Here's my list, but its still untested>https://archidekt.com/decks/19526681/frantic_battle_cryYou could lean away from pure spellslinging and incorporate more of the creature based wheels like ox of agonas and dragon mage for repeatable ones, but honestly I'm counting on just using wheels to hit more wheels.I also threw all those tormenting voice while creating treasure effects in there because I've always wanted to make them cheap enough to be fully mana positive off them, even if they're bad cause they only procc one discard trigger for Howler
>>97498322>Ave Maria reverberated his entire horse
>>97498543>guy thinks surveil lands are badFor what purpose? They're a staple of legacy. Outrageously good. Then again people think fetches are good because they fix your mana, so I'm not surprised.
>>97497422>random Armageddon with almost no way to consistently protect your board>>97497742This poster is a giant fag
>>97498569>>97498543Didnt mean to quote you. Sorry anon.
>>97497784>>97497867In EDH control going last is the best though..... I think sometimes you people just say things.
>>97498585Before I call you silly, why do you say that?
>>97497965>heh I ALWAYS have my fetch t1Useless retard post
>>97498600why even engage with surveilfag at this point?its the same shit every thread, just ignore her
>>97498519Damn anon you got some cool cards there. I feel like I want to jam too many things into this deck I don't know what to do
>>97498600Not a single thing mentioned in that post doesn't apply as much on turn 8 as on turn 1. Surveiling is more relevant the longer the game goes on for avoiding dead draws. And it's not like it's rare to have a fetch in your opening hand when you can run 7 of them in a two color deck.
>>97493489My bro in my pod just made this. It's either super duper deadly kill on sight no forgiveness or garbage. If the set up gy isn't working then he's just a guy with vigilance. You defeat it by stopping their grave but if they get the chance it can almost always at least kill one person instantly
>>97493538My pal did turn 4 banish opponents deck who only played 4 lands. Now we played it so he gave the deck banishing card on beginning of anything so he couldn't even draw. Then me and the other guy ganged up on him.
>>97498600You dont use it t1? You can. You use it when you know the discrete order of cards on your deck and want to change it, or as a hail mary to improve the liklihood of drawing an out. They are supremely strong for a very minor deck building cost. To reiterate, they are FREE card selection. One life (the fetch) look at the top card of your library and chuck it in the bin.
>>97498649>heh I ALWAYS have my fetch t1, I never use mana t1 either cause I build bad decks BTW
>>97498660It appears you are being retarded on purpose. Why would I surveil t1? That's triome time. A surveil is just half a consider. Do it before your draw step? Build your own consider.
>whole argument starts over a deck that's running this shit
>>97498676>why would I surveil t1Probably because thats what you said anon.>>97497937>triomes I bet you would get another bad land yes.
>>97498678And running Armageddon with absolutely no real back up beyond an indestructible artifact land. What i find funniest is obviously surveil lands are good but if someone isnt running them writing an essay on why they're good wont change their mind.
>>97498741Not what I said. I'm a different guy entirely. Triomes are amazing; 3 colour fetchable fixing, built in cycling. Legitimately powerful. Also played in legacy, like surveils; a format where ABURs are the standard.
>>97498759>all that punctuationSorry I dont talk to fags.>legacyNot really actually, seeing as the vast majority of legacy decks are 1-2 color. And a quick look at popular deck lists for the 3+ color ones show very very little triome presence. Not sure why EDH players think appealing to legacy/vintage matters. Triomes are garbage.
>>97498775>Sorry I dont talk to fagsNta but using your ignorance to dismiss conversation is horribly low IQ. I hope you people like you don't vote>Triomes are garbage.I hope retards start believing this en masse so tricycle prices plummet
>>97498789This has nothing to do with ignorance. You just come across as a fag anon, and your opinions are provably bad.>gibberishYou appealed to legacy. So now that that appeal has been disproven will you do the honest intelligent thing and re-evaluate your position or continue to sperg because someone pointed out you were wrong. There are no circumstances where you wouldnt just rather a fetchable 2c land. This is evidenced (using your standards here) by looking at legacy/vintage decks and seeing next to none of them run triomes.
>>97498775"A quick look". Like just over a year ago 4c beans in two different flavours was a top deck that used triomes. Today's legacy is the post-entomb ban shift where you need to answer tamiyo within the first few turns (who will be banned), kitara (who may be banned), and Oops (which may or may not be banned). As the format slows down and decks get bigger with more answers, it comes back in waves. Also, surveils are in all those 2 colour decks, even the notoriously tempo based delver.And why does it matter? Eternal card pool. Mana curve is small brain edh logic for dorks. Opportunity cost is big brain because a fetch is a quantumn untapped land until you need something else and collapse the wave function. Galaxy Brain? Realizing you only need like 2 or 3 lands total if your curve is low enough and your deck is fast enough. The only reason vintage doesnt run them is they just have mox, but commander doesnt, ergo legacy rules.
Lifegain is the worst archetype. With discard I at least get to make a decision.
>>97498804>WELL 20 YEARS AGO ONE SPECIFIC DECK USED THEMAnd they dont now, probably because play testing revealed them to be garbage. Surveils are good because you get a benefit for them coming in tapped. Triomes arent good because they dont! You know what's in your hand, and what you need. Just get the appropriate 2c land. Which is what every legacy does now BTW.
>>97498837Seems you have backtracked quite a lot, thanks for admitting surveil lands are good. Triomes are just fetchable 3c fixing that turns to 2: discard a card, draw a card late game. Coming in tapped is irrelevant, you only run one, and the second 4c decks are back in style, so too are the triomes because they're good. You dont need them in 3c because most 3c decks are either full of cantrips, or primarily one colour. 4c you grab a triome so you can do dual triome and have double fixing for your main colours.
>>97498858they're cycling 3
>>97498865Yeah I fat fingered it. You're right.
>>97497916Same bro. Same.
I don't get love for Surveil lands in non-graveyard interacting decks. Between shocks and ABUR duals you have enough to fetch
>>97498858I haven't backtracked even remotely anon.
>>97498891>Alright, I look at the top three with top>eh, those suck, crack a fetch>surveil>not what I need, chuck it>look at the top three with top>oh, sweet exactly what I need>tap top to draw>thank god I could look at seven cards before drawing
>>97498922Meanwhile the rest of the table has fallen asleep
>>97497832I hope she's your commander
>>97498926[Laughs in Stasis Rootmaze]
>>97498801>This has nothing to do with ignorance. You just come across as a fag anon, and your opinions are provably badNta stands for "not that anon" btw. Not only are you so low IQ you'll use proper punctuation to dismiss someone's argument, you're either illiterate or a tourist>continue to sperg because someone pointed out you were wrongWho is sperging out besides you?
"Special" B&R due mondayCan't wait to play Birthing pod in every deck les gooo
>>97498994It's going to be the hybrid mana change
>>97494793>HaveMinwu Clerics; Tellah Polymorph; Golbez Artifacts; Exdeath "Big Power Matters"; Terra Small Reanimator; Celes Big Reanimator; Locke Treasures Matter; Kefka Goodstuff; Cloud Ex-Soldier Living Weapon Matters; Naya Tifa Auratron; Squall Voltron; Zidane "Tricky bullshit"; Quina Tokens; Tidus Counters; Selesnya Yuna Enchantress; Kimahri Copycat; Aboslute Virtue Control; Shantotto Izzet Voltron; Gabbranth Aristocrats; Lightning Voltron OHKO; Emet-Selch Third Seat Mill; and Clive Red Wheels>Want to makeI eventually want to have one deck for every FF but: Destined Warrior; Firion; Xande; Cecil; Bartz (Winota); Stiltzkin, Shadow Lord (Gix); Estinien; Lyse Hext; Noctic Heir Apperant, and Cid
>>97498994Mass suicides when prime time, zesty elf, dockside, jewlo, unban and hybrid mana etc don't happen
>>97494880Got a list by any chance? I built him as aristocrat, but im not all that happy with it. Might convert it to reanimator
>>97498996That's what I was talking aboutPod and misstep on every deck les goo
>>97499014That's not hybrid mana?
>>97498994Phyrexian mana is not hybrid mana.
>>97498954I never dismissed the argument dipshit lmao. In fact I quite clearly responded to it, and refuted it.>spergingIm saying triomes are bad so.... still you, or the anon you're pretending to be lmao
>>97498922>WELL IF YOU HAVE SENSEISYes lots of garbage becomes usable when you have senseis>>97499014>dipshit thinks phyrexian mana is hybrid>these are the larpers ruining your game
>>97499000>I eventually want to have one deck for every FFI kind of want to do this but 3, 5, and 11 have extremely uninspired designs for commanders.
Managed to get an Esper Sentinel under $40. Let's see if the order gets cancelled or doesn't show up at all.
>>97491146>TQa combo is anything that works together intentionally>this card gives me cards when you take dmg>this card deals dmg to yousufficient for a combo.then you can ofc specify something as a infinite or gamewinning combo.
>>97499048Nah in the context of magic that is a synergy. Combos are intended to produce a win.
>>97496597Do you have a list anon?
>>97499048The question isn't "what is a combo" it's "what is a combo deck"
intent on doing the whole "sitting in queue" thing for secret lair on the 9th due to the new reveal, how does that stuff work? am I just wasting my time trying to get in?
>spidermans cards played at the protour in both decks of the final gamesOh boy, now wizards is going to day "look man, spoodermans was actually a good set, we should do more like it!"
>>97498623I always start by focusing on what my ideal game with the deck should feel like, in this example, dropping Howler and then smacking face with him very minimal warning or much clues on the board. Then I make my categories based on what makes that happen. For this one, I broke it up by>WheelsHowler's primary buffer, it also gives me the added utility of being able to dig for answers if he's threatened so it's both my gameplan and card draw>Cost reducersI need to wheel multiple times in a turn, so getting a few of these guys out before howler is crucial. Hence why most of them cost less than him>EvasionHowler has no keywords to help him get through, so there's a few evasion pieces but not as much as my cost reducers because unlike them, I can run across them while I'm wheeling instead of being a requirement to start.Then you have your other staple categories like interaction and boardwipes to make sure you can intervene during setbacks. The exact quantity of these gets tweaked as you play games and find what you're getting flooded by and what you're starved for, but just start by imagining what pieces make your ideal play happen and give enough of those pieces to enable it
>>97499080oh, I am dumb and retarded as per usualyeah, I would say that a deck specifically built around a certain game-ending or "do the thing" in spectacular fashion is a combo deck, not something that's merely synergistic like >>97499057 mentioned.
>>97499083What reveal?
>>97499093more dnd/baldur's gate stuff.for me, it's Shadowheart + that dragon one that has a new Miryym. I think the art for the Miirym I have is already pretty, but the new one is really topnotch.
>>97499088NOOOOOOO wrong scrimblo
>>97499103>having so little respect for the game you talk about it this way>thinking anyone should take your opinion seriously
>>97499083Be prepared to sit for an hour in queue and having it still sell out before you get to buy anything. Not every secret lair sells out but enough of them do that you should expect a bad experience
>>97499083Log into your account. Then add whatever it is you want to your cart and try to check out. Once you do you'll be stuck waiting for on average an hour or so to check out. Once they give you the go ahead you get booted back to the store and are given about ten minutes to add anything extra and see what's still in stock that you wanted and then you check out.
>>97499107You brought up some stupid conspiracy shit. Next time shut your dumb fucking mouth you donut
>>97499083You have a 50/50 chance of getting it at best even if you get in line at the exact time. Your starting place in line is random. So if RNGod hates you and puts you in last, you get to suck a dick.
>>97499088They look at competitive for mechanical design. They look at sales for aesthetic design. Spiderman isn't suddenly a success because a couple of pushed cards made it into Standard lists. This is like saying Aetherdrift is a beloved set because everyone was playing Stock Up.
>>974991561. I didnt make the initial post. You just come across so poorly i felt compelled to speak out.2. Its not conspiracy shit you mongoloid.3. This is a pro conspiracy theory website. You got lost and somehow ended up here, id fix that.>>97499138
>>97499138>>97499152>>97499160that's about what I expected. thanks for confirming, I appreciate the advice.
>>97498579>random Armageddon with almost no way to consistently protect your boardNo need to protect it when I've got the most damage and protection on the board. I'm going to swing and win.>>97498678It's out. Like I said, it's probably a vestigial card when I first made the deck.>>97497937I can try it out. I'm just really hesitant about playing any tapped lands. Always have been.
>>97499088Look nobody ever said that the set didn't have a few strong outliers (frankly I'm a little surprised it took this long for superior SM to see results) but an overall below average power level wasn't the problem with the set. Multiversal passage also for eyed as a turbo valuable card early. The problem with the set is it had a dog shit limited environment + JUST doing spiderman is super limited creatively for a full standard set. I would say that ECL isn't actually that far above spiderman on power level/pack value BUT the limited environment is super fun which drives interest. The problem is they haphazardly tried to turn the spiderman packs into a product that it was not>>97499107>"NOOOO YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THE CARDBOARD TOYS FOR TEENAGERS THEY'RE SUPER CEREAL THEYRE INVESTMENT PIECES MOOOOM"
>>97499243You should indeed have respect for the things you engage with. Acting like this is an absurd notion just paints you in a very unflattering light. It betrays a sickening level of insecurity and self doubt.
>>97499233>i have the most protection>doesnt even have tpro to save his own lands from mldLol i cant even blame gavin for soft banning mld as people just cant play the archetype correctly and just waste people'a time, picrel
>>97499247It's a trading card game that I play with my friends because we have fun doing it and we have access to it. I "respect" the game so far in that I appreciate the entertainment value it gives myself and my friends and the work that goes into maintaining a product and community like mtg. I also respect myself enough to be honest with myself that spending time playing with cardboard is fun but what makes it really worth it is the time spent with friends and my community.
>>97499023>>97499025The logic for allowing either is the same. So why would u admit one without the other
>>97499375No. Dont be silly.
>>97499383Why
>>97499375>>97499390>doesnt even know that gavin specifically shot down phyrexian mana being used everywhereHaha
>>97499343All those words just to say "yes I am a worm with 0 self worth"
>>97499390It's not a colour. It's free.
The hybrid mana change would have likely happened before Lorwyn to pump the initial numbers. Waiting until weeks after its release doesn't really track with how WotC operates now. Remember that vehicles as commander was announced before EOE during the reveal window to get people more excited. They could surprise me but I don't think it's going to happen. Especially since the response to the idea was so negative and has only gotten more negative after Lorwyn's reveals.
>>97499444This. Hybrid changes are years away. Wotc needs to wait for the older discerning playerbase to die out. Once the mindless zoomers have thoroughly taken over, wotc will be free to rape the game with no repercussions
>>97499440So? It's designed to be played on every deck. Like hybrid is designed to be played on either deck
>>97494793I built Kefka and Mardu Terra when they were spoiled and i've been playing them since.
>>97499464>older discerning playerbaseImagine batting for gender identi- i mean color identity THIS hard
>>97499432I have enough self worth that it isn't dependent on pretending a trading card game isn't a game and can allow myself to engage in things that I know are silly and whimsical
okay so how do you beat the fucking High Silvermere fight
>>97499464A lot of the zoomertubers turned on hybrid mana when Lorwyn showed up with cards they think shouldn't be available to their individual colors. I'm not really sure which cards they mean but when asked now people like Maldhound say that shit should stay illegal and his peers seem to agree.
>>97499473Nope. Colourless is designed to be played in every deck. Like Beseech the Queen. Pain mana means free; it was designed in a 20 life format to give an "black" ambition at a cost vibe.
>>97499289>tproI'm not holding up an extra 3 mana to save my lands when I don't need to. I'm casting Armageddon because I probably have a double/triple damage multiplier up, or more, along with Gisela and another creature with a sword equipped. 99% Armageddon prevents anyone from stopping me when that resolves.
>>97499610>i need to cast mld so i dont get boardwiped!!Tpro does that AND save your ass from a potential crackback and other shitMidwits like you are why mld is soft banned, you are simply too stupid to use it the proper way
>>97499610>have a double/triple damage multiplier up, or more, along with Gisela and another creature with a sword equipped.If you have that you have 7 mana to cast mld + tproWeird to have a guy downplay tpro this much, and if it's about cost you have enlightened tutor and a fucking plateau, and that's assuming you're not a dumb proxyfag
>>97499565So you can't play phyrexian on every deck in modern? Also if phyrexian was designed for 20 life format hybrid was designed for a format with no color identity. You can roundabout all you want about designed for this or that but the fact is there is no argument for the hybrid logic not to apply to phyrexian
>>97499713>well this is red and blue but you can use either mana to cast it>and that? >just green or life>so the colour is only green>not colourless, beseech is colourless
>>97499621>>97499634Not against the Teferi's Protection. I don't have one. I just made the deck to be very offensive, so I don't want too much defensive stuff in it, especially things that require me to have 3 mana open for a turn instead of dumping my hand out and wishing for the best. Gisela alone often wards away any damage coming my way.Nobody has complained about me using Armageddon because I win after it. And if people aren't feeling the MLD before the game I switch them out for the Chaos Warp and Aurelia's Fury which puts the deck in a solid bracket 3 at most.
>>97499723>this cards color identity but you can cast it with either mana>this cards color identity is one thing but you can cast it with no manaThere is no argument against this
>>97498371I probably did over a decade ago with my first iteration of this deck. I realized a 2/2 with vigilance alone is enough with all the ways to add damage. The extra 3/3 for 4 mana just isn't worth it when for the same I could equip two swords to the baby one and have it be a 6/6 at the very least.
>>97499737Cool. Like pact of negation, right?
>>97499723You don't have life in commander?Also you are arguing about casting cost on the first half then about color. Do you think these though?
>>97499747Nope, colour the whole time. What colour is birthing pod? Just green? Exactly. Show me the colour that paying life instead of green mana is. It's not colourless; it's green or life.
this is the current target demographic.you might not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
>brave>stunning >empowering
>>97499746Pact of Negation requires you to pay blue mana in its effect.
>>97499758What colour is waves of aggresion?
>>97499758Yeah life doesnt have a color identity. You can play phyrexian cards in any deckYou can’t have it both ways Mr Rosewater. You can’t abolish a pillar of the game but only slightly. Commander is balanced by its color identity deck building restriction. Hybrid cards have a color identity of both so they must be played in decks that have access to both. If YOU want to destroy that, then YOU don’t get to complain when phyrexian cards can logically be played in any deck
>>97499769say it with me, chudCOSPLAYISCONSENT...wait-!
>>97499758Wotc stated that they wanted to change hybrid mana rules in commander because of design intentions. If that's the logic we're following it is beyond retarded to arbitrarily not allow Phyrexian mana in every deck. They should either scrap color identity from edh altogether because it is a farce at this point anyway or keep the rules as they are.
>>97499800Color identity has always been a farce just as much as gender identity, and now that wotc owns commander they will change the rules however they see fit to maximize profitability + placate the most peopleThe whole thing is an invention by sheldon anyways who btw wants rhystic in every pod as that's the "spirit of the format"
>>97499836>Color identity has always been a farce just as much as gender identitywhat>The whole thing is an invention by sheldonit wasn't
>>97499836>Color identity has always been a farce just as much as gender identityYoure trying too hard.You fucked off for months there, can you leave again threads were marginally better without you
>>97499852He’s shitposting stop replying
>>97499852>>97499855Uh oh tranny melties
>>97499887uh oh [insert bait topic here] meltyOh youre that outed pedophile who shitposts about UB tooWhy am I not surprised?
>Just bought a blight's curse of amazonI've lost all control of my life.
>>97499788You can play any cards in any deck. Just not on commander. And life is not a colour, but the colour of pain mana sure is. You're being spiteful and cannot count. Practice, I'm sure you can do better.>>97499800Oh? And why isnt this something you made up? What colour is dismember? Is it any other colour? No? So it's just black.
>>97499903Classic poopdickschizo post.
>>97499911>I can pay any color of mana to cast this card so it can be played in any deck>I can pay life and no color of mana to cast this card so it can be played in any deckWake me up when you have a counter argument to this, outedpedoanon
>>97499927Wake me up when you come to terms that edh is gavin's world now and wotc has the power of word of god
>>97499933Ad verecundiam
>>97499947>i dont own the mtg ipConcession accepted
>>97499927It has no colour. You just said so yourself. So, if life has no colour, it's just the colour of the mana. Which is black. It is not colourless as well. That's a type of mana. It's an alternative casting cost of that colour. And no, reminder text doesnt change the colour.Nice try though.
>>97499927Phyrexian has a singular color identity. Life isnt a color identity and neither is the absence of mana.>pay... no color of mana>pay no manaFunctionally impossible by the way, and thus is not useful in defining anything. You are honestly just not intelligent enough for this discussion anon.
>>97499954What are you even flailing on about? Yes, I'm not the ceo of wotc, so?
>>97499995>you own something? Nooo you should not be able to do what you want with it!!Your mtg superiors have already spoken and you're not to be taken seriously whatsoever
Just post deck lists pics instead, please
>>97499961>this is a gruul hybrid card but since I can cast it with red we ignore the green>this is a blue phyrexian card but since I can cast it with life we ignore the blueIt’s as simple as that.Don’t see the just because your faggot ass wants to abolish color identity but can’t handle the repercussions.>>97499987As above
>>97500035It’s that pedo shitposter. He’s always doing this shit I wish jannies would just permaban him but since a few threads ago he literally got away with spamming off topic anime children and basically posting “pedo-haters mad” over and over again, I guess tranny jannies have deemed him kosher
>>97500052No i would like to focus on how you think you can pay no color of mana anon. You clearly dont understand how color identity works either so its weird why youre playing EDH but id like for you to expand on>pay no color of manaAs this just isnt a thing.
>>97499961If the argument is you could cast it on any deck why do you arbitrarily stop at color arguing design objectives? If you say, oh, this could be cast as a red card, can It not be cast as an artifact? Without a specific color? But then you say, my former logic only applies to color. Why?
>>97500052Oh, git probe is blue? The blue mana means it's blue? Phyrexian mana means it is always blue?That's what I thought. You can pay red or green for a gruul hybrid cost. Life isnt mana, it's an alternative cost, and colour identity is stupid, since every single set has 3 and 5c commanders that get around it completely. But, to the point, cant pay for git probe with black mana. Or colourless mana. Instead of blue you can pay life; an alternative casting cost for the blue.
>>97500009You where cornered by logic so you have to resort to saying we can't discuss or disagree with anything Maro or Gavin say ever. Lmao
>>97500059>mods save me from wotc approved art!!!Uh oh schizo melty
>>97500107>muh logicI'm not the one that can't come to grips that all of mtg is an invention whose rules have been changed multiple times and is trying their hardest to argue that color identity is some kind of hallowed dogma lol
>>97500069You can cast anything in any deck. Except commander. Where colour is the only additional consideration. Chromatic star for red in your esper deck, I dont give a fuck. Life isnt mana. It isnt a colour. It isnt an alternative colour that fills the requirements. It's an alternative casting cost. And being a pretentious dork with low diction trying to seem smart is, honestly, amusing.
>>97500076>Oh, git probe is blue? The blue mana means it's blue? Phyrexian mana means it is always blue?>Oh manamorphose is gruul? The red/green mana means it’s gruul? Hybrid mana means it’s always gruul?Now you say “no color identity means something else”And then I point out that Beseech the Queen is literally a black cardAnd so it goes.You are a pedophile.You are a troll.You ruin this general and no one in the entire world would shed a tear if you killed yourself
>>97500076What color is waves of aggresion?
>>97500128Nope. You can pay colourless mana instead for beseech. You can pay red OR green. Life isnt mana and it isnt a colour. Beseech IS a black card, unless they rule it can be either colour. Life isnt a colour or mana.Are we done here? Do you have anything to add?>>97500130Purple. Like your prose.
>>97500141Pedophile.
>>97500149Sticks and stones can break my bones, but they wont ever make you smarter.
>>97500141> You can pay colourless mana instead for beseechNo actually, you can’t. You pay GENERIC for Beseech the Queen. Colorless is a specific type of mana with its own symbol.Lots of cards have generic in their casting cost and we don’t say their identity is “black and generic” or whatever the fuckYou don’t even play the game.You don’t even know anything about how it’s played before you shitpost here
>>97500156Note how you don’t say it’s untrue, you just say it doesnt upset you
>>97500158Yes, you can. You can cast beseech just fine off wastes. Cant do that for gitprope.
>>97500126Can you pay the alt cost? Yes? So you can pay all costs for the spell? Just like hybrid? Then you can play itDo you enjoy this humiliation ritual of being stubbornly obtuse then screeching at everyone?
>>97500170Hybrid isnt an alternative casting cost. It's the cost of the spell, legally fufilled with either requirement. Life instead of mana is an alternate casting cost. And aint screeching, having a giggle while YOU misunderstand things you think you know.
>>97500165Note how you're so much of a schizo that you actually believe you're being taken seriously haha
They shouldn't change hybrid mana rules because Izzet does not deserve to use Manamorphose
>>97500199I love manamorphose. Such a stylish card.
>>97500199Realest shit I've heard all day
>>97500199Please let me use my new wife Tam in my Gruul, Golgari, and Jund decks.
>>97500183Comprehensive rules>Phyrexian mana: A mana symbol that represents a cost that can be paid either by spending colored mana or by paying life. See rule 107.4>Hybrid mana: A mana symbol that represents a cost that can be paid in one of two ways. See rule 107.4Neither are alt costs actuallyTell me how one of those is not "cost of the spell, legally fufilled with either requirement"You don't actually know shit about this do you? You just want to play your pet card and throw a tantrum until you can lmaooo
>>97500228This doesnt matter. The phyrexian pip is present and gives the card its color identity. Life isnt a color identity, and an absence of mana isnt a color identity.
>>97500246Rograkh proves this.
>>97500228Note, in the comprehensive rules, there is a distinction between coloured mana and life. Not colourless life. Just coloured mana or life. Also, what's this? Oh no anon, oh no. There's a specific example that proved you wrong? You posted so much and so shittily and were not only stupid and retarded, but wrong? Oh no.
>>97499769>>97499775That's cool anon but I actually love slam pigs so I am happy for MTG fapbait
>>97500246If phyrexian gives color identity so does hybrid, since the color is there, as you say with phyrexian. You could say one does and the other doesn't because you say so, because there's no logic in your decisions.>rules don't matterGonna give it you here anon. Don't feel like arguing with a retard anymore since Maro will do what he wants to sell packs anyways, be it reasonable or not.Congrats, you won an argument on the internet by acting like a spastic!
>>97500199They should change hybrid mana solely so I can use spiteful visions in my esper deck
>>97500299Oh no, oh no. He wrote all that wrong post and was double wrong after being proven wrong with a screencap about how wrong he is? And now he's picking up his ball and going home?Bye wrong dumb retarded stupid wrong anon. Dont speak of logic, yours was wrong and you dont know very much about it, dumb wrong retarded wrong anon who shitposted so much so wrong while being dumb and wrong.
>>97500254Color indicators shouldn't exist. Doesn't change anything about how Phyrexian mana functions in EDH.>>97500299I dont care about hybrid, nor do i want that change to go through. A phyrexian pip is very clearly a colored pip. And gives the card its identity. Can you stay on topic and admit that what I have stated is true?
Commander’s color identity rule cares about what colors appear on the card, not how you intend to pay for it. The rule literally looks at the mana symbols printed on the card and says “yep, those colors count.”Phyrexian mana symbols (like {U/P}) still have a color baked into them. Even if you pay life instead of mana, that symbol is blue. The game never treats it as “colorless life mana” or anything weird like that. Paying life is just an alternate cost. The symbol itself is unambiguously blue, black, etc. So a card with {G/P} is green in color identity, full stop.Hybrid mana (like {G/W}) is different in a really important way. Hybrid symbols explicitly represent two colors at once, not “either/or” for deckbuilding purposes. Yes, when casting the spell you choose which color to pay, but the symbol itself is both green and white at all times. That’s why a {G/W} card has a green-white color identity, even if you swear you’ll only ever tap Forests.So the key difference:- Phyrexian mana = one color, alternate payment- Hybrid mana = two colors, flexible paymentEDH doesn’t care how flexible the cost is, only what colors are represented. Phyrexian mana never stops being its color; hybrid mana never stops being both.TL;DR: Paying life doesn’t erase a color. A symbol that literally shows two colors *is* two colors. That’s the whole deal.
>>97500391Correct. Assuming there isnt a rule change Today is a great day. A great day in history.
Am I taking fucking crazy pills because I remember before like 2008 the color identity rules were specifically that your general's color determined your deck's color, meaning Memnarch and Bosh were de-facto illegal in their own decks. Specifically remember people talking about this. I only ever heard "color identity" including text box get brought up after they printed Thelon of Havenwood in Time Spiral and everybody was talking about how they changed the rule and now you can build Memnarch etc.
>>97500496And then WotC abused the shit out of this change a million billion times.
>>97500391Yes, that is the point people ITT are proving with phyrexian mana.If you ignore the reason that hybrid cards are hybrid then there is no argument against phyrexian mana being legal in any deck.No one is actually arguing for phyrexian mana, they're pointing out that if the hybrid change is based on "but you get to choose how to cast it regardless of what's on the card!!!!" the exact same logic applies to cards that can be cast without paying any color of mana
>>97500496It did change around that time, but for a logical reason. Shit loads of cards have colors in their textbox that aren't in their casting cost. Logically you need access to those colors to activate those effects, therefore the rule adjusted to incorporate that.As much as faggots will cry about muh 5c, that's a problem with what WotC chooses to print. Identity including the textbox is a sensible rule.
>>97500496Yeah, color identity rules changed so that it included rules text and not just casting cost. That let Memnarch and Bosh be functional commanders
>>97500532>peopleYou, wrong anon. You are the only one.
>>97500550>outed pedophile thinks he gets to reply to me
>>97500532Go tell taht to Wizards and Reddit. I don't think anyone here feels positive about the hybrid rules change, at best people are a,bivalent
>>97500496I'm pretty sure that change was way later in 2012 or something but I'm not entirely sure.
>>97500540The "you can cast it" argument is retarded from the start. You can cast anything with treasures so I can put anything in my deck lol. There are pauper decks that run Dread return with zero black sources
>>97500552And here I thought you were too embarassed to keep up the facade. What's it like being wrong, so very very wrong? So utterly incorrect and butt bafflingly humilated? Completely, indenfensibly, factually inccorect? Entirely, unrelently, undeniably wrong? Proven wrong at length. Proven wrong in short. Proven wrong, drubbed and dragged through the muck to the extent that you wrongess transcends the bounds of reality and creates its own infinite wrong dimension where every aspect across all possible permutations are wrong.What's that like, to be wrong like that? If you are that confidently wrong, is it possible to be right ever again?
>>97500562Qrd or links to the archive? I'd like to cringe a bit before bed
>>97500568>The "you can cast it" argument is retarded from the start. You can cast anything with treasures so I can put anything in my deck lol.You shouldn't have to build a treasure deck just because wotc put blue and green in the text box of black cardIt inherently skews every deck of that type to treasure and artifact synergies
>>97500582Yeah that's why color identity is fine as it is
>>97500562>He is extremely fucking upset that people remember that mistake and bringing it up makes him seetheLol point proven >>97500580>>97500581I mean that was the QRD. He was shitposting about UB and salivating over the fact that because of the IPs WotC have licensed that means they've been putting more children onto cards.Someone called him a pedophile and he just said that he was and started taunting people who were disgusted by him
>>97500562I hope you get yourself to a therapist one day anon.
>>97500562>ok fine you're right>but blame another anon he made me schizo out!!!
>>97500593>SEETHINGLmao it really works
>>97500568It's still stupid that you can create mana not in your commander's color identity. That should never have been allowed.
>>97500591And you're also wrong about that wrong anon. You're now wrongly making up a story I do not give a shit about in any capacity. There is no mad. There is no continuity in your head cannon. There is just you, proven wrong, as I only and explicitly talked about magic, until you did a retarded dance and were proven wrong. Incorrect. Inaccurate. Factually mislead. Intentionally daftly dubiously deliriously wrong.
>>97500562>He usually does it by saying UB is so good that all in-universe sets should be scrappedIs he wrong though? UW is dogshit
>>97500594>>97500593Samefaaaaaag
>>97500540>>97500546>>97500565If that is the case it proves the color identity rule as it stands can be changed, and the counting of "symbols" on the card was only ever an obtuse method of justifying legalizing cards people want to play.I'm ambivalent on hybrid legality, but I see the proposed hybrid change as coming from the same place, "legalizing cards people want to play" and it irks me when people pretend color identity rule has some sort of sacredness to it. There is nothing preventing us from adopting a ruling to justify legalizing hybrid besides the desire to do so.A better argument to have is whether the second order effects of the change would be positive, and then make your determination from there. Anything else is just squabbling over nothing.
>>97500607>>97500610
>>97500610Again, you are wrong about that. Would you like to be wrong about more things? Perhaps you should leave it alone, or maybe there are eidetic retards lurking that will remember your wrongness forever. Like the guy who named his daughter avacyn. Like the guy who was so utterly repellent when he met the other avacyn fag in person the tripfag abandoned the thread entirely. Like the anon who bought hundreds of pheldagrifs "speculating". Like anonwon anon.
>>97499927>well Azusa is monogreen BUT I have ways of generating treasure and mana forks that can generate any color of many and lands like mana confluence so I should be allowed to fill up my deck with WURBG cards
>>97500609>If that is the case it proves the color identity rule as it stands can be changed,>the rules changed over 18 years ago!!!!Retard logic.>I'm ambivalent on hybrid legality, but I see the proposed hybrid change as coming from the same place, "legalizing cards people want to play"Well then you're wrong. Because the hybrid change is literally the exact fucking opposite.Color identity is unique to Commander, it was strengthened when it was changed to incorporate text boxes. No format in the fucking game ever treated cards differently based on their text box.The hybrid change says actually fuck color identity, not only does it not actually matter what's on the card anymore, but we explicitly want you to play cards with 2 or more colors in monocolor deckBut whatever you're probably just pretending to be le enlightened fence sitter because you think you'll get more replies than if you keep making the same arguments again and again
>an anon bragged about being a pedophile a few threads ago, someone brought it up and now we all have to suffer him samefagging as he tries to regain control of the situationI genuinely wish there was a cure for autism.
>>97500609Yeah, of course it can be changed, any rule can be changed. But should it?The benefit of changing hybrid mana rules does not out weight the cost of far more confusion. Currently color identity is determined by simply looking at the color pips on a card. If the rule change goes through you're gonna have dumb shit like "Oh yeah this card is green for Vivid but it's not color identity green and I can put it in my mono-blue deck"
>>97500640Being permanently banned but jannies won't do it
>>97500640>>97500635No. At least post from your phone and computer or something. Put in some effort here.
>>97500591Chance you remember any distinct words or how many threads ago approximately? I want to look it Up. "pedo" and "children" are giving tons of results
>>97500644I reported him in the thread where he bragged about being a pedophile and they did nothing. Doesn't really surprise me that they won't ban one of their own.
>>97500656Or maybe, he was banned, and you are making up retarded stories to justify the assblasting you recieved today.
>>97500664Kek is that you pedoanon? Did you get a wittle banny-wanny for lusting over children and now you're mad at the people who inconvenienced you?
>>97500641>But should it?Yes just like how they made sen triplets work correctly and how they allowed any number of basic lands>inb4 those are different aaaaaiiiiiieeeeee
>>97500666No. You called a guy a pedo as you were losing an argument, he ignored you completely, and now you're going on this incredibly retarded tirade that's somehow more retarded than your phyrexian mana nonsense.
>>97500669>how they allowed any number of basic landsPlease tell me you're not seriously going to argue that you should only be allowed 1 land of each name even though that has never happened in any fucking format
>>97500595>earnestly wish for the best for anon, want him to get help>SEE HES SEETHING SEE!!!:-|
>>97500674You'd have a much easier time trying to convince people you didn't out yourself is a pedophile if anon hadn't correctly predicted that it makes you angry and then immediately after that you started samefagging and spamming smug posts about how wrong that anon is.It looks like you're scrabbling for control of the situation, which in turn makes your attempt to convince people you never outed yourself as a pedophile look like your next step in that strategy
>>97500675>he doesnt knowImagine being a fucking newfag
>>97500669Sen Triplets shouldn't work either. You shouldn't be able to produce mana outside of your commander's color identity. Changing that rule was a mistake
>>97500690Go ahead anon, tell me about the days where Standard only allowed 1 island in monoblue decks, I'm waiting
>>97500674>a guy>heLmaooooo
>>97500702Go ahead anon, tell me about the days where Standard didn't allow hybrid in a mono color deck
>>97500669But hybrid does work in EDH anon. The cards can be played just fine... they just interact with color identity in a fun way.
>>97500687You pretending to be multiple people all supporting your retarded spergout is one of the funniest things ive seen in a good while.
>>97500687>calling someone a pedophile makes you angry>therefore a bunch of unrelated thingsWut? Convince who of what? YOU called a guy a pedo, he completely ignored you, you repeated it 4 or 5 times, he continued to ignore you, you started samefagging, and none of that has anything to do with anything, all because you were sad about hybrid mana costs and phyrexian mana.This is a magic the gathering general.
>>97500697Cry more then because hybrid will be changed and there's nothing you can do about it, tick tock
>>97500709Not the comeback you think it is lmao
>>97500640I did not see this
>>97500720>....it doesn't count!!Thankfully your retarded opinion doesnt count
>>97500724You may be upset to hear this, but we different anons. Yes, inspect element, yadda yadda. We all know the tricks. But in this instance you're losing it.
What in the FUCK are you guys talking about? Good god.
>>97500717>a guy>heYou're killing me over here anon lmaoaoaooo
>>97500741>>97500707What does she mean by this?
>>97500744Probably autism. I'm having a giggle.
>>97500718Doesn't matter because my pod just isn't going to use that new rule. Everyone else will suffer but what do I care
>>97500737We really gonna play this game?
>>97500640
>>97500756We can play this game. It's a classic and I think it's funny. But no, it does not apply, considering I said how to edit it in my post within like... a minute? I'm too old for that shit.>>97500753Delightful and hilarious.
>>97500778>>97500780Okay, okay. You have control of the narrative. We all believe you're not a pedophile. Can you stop fucking spamming now?
This is a penis.
>>97500753No way you just admitted and projected on the same post lolAs expected of country grown vegetables eh?
>>97500803He literally cannot help himself
>>97500803Neither you nor that anon is the person you're pretending to be. Relax.
>>97500823You're completely incoherent, do you even realize that?
>>97500823Bu-bu-bu-busteeed!
>>97500829Not incoherent, just indirect. You know what I said. And pretending is not wise, but do as you wish.>>97500832Well, yeah. An anon said hi to me yesterday. But "this" isn't my style. I did list a bunch of specific ancient thread lore earlier. I forgot mention Geist of St. Traft Sea Monster Tribal for flavour purposes, and that one guy who ripped his squandered resources.
>>97500605>>97500631>>97500865Interesting
UGIN HAD SEX WITH GAY BOLAS
>>97500898I'm pretty obvious. I usually say some sort of hyperbolic hellacious herange with a particularly pugnacious perturbation, picked pointedly to prickle the precepts of provocation. But like I already said, I am too old for this shit. I actually kind of like and missed you faggots.
I have a nashi rat tribal deck, with gifts ungiven. Currently the only boardwipe is swarmyard massacre. I know cyclonic rift is another option, but is there another board wipe with potential to be one sided to consider, to make a gifts pile with?
>>97501095Raise the Palisade declaring "Rat"Kindred Dominance declaring "Rat"Crippling Fear declaring "Rat"
>>97491146>what is a combo deckIt's kinda arbitrary. If elf ball plays natural order into craterhoof, I would feel like I got combo'd. If elfball chucks out a coat of arms and swings for lethal, I wouldn't feel like I got combo'd. Almost all commander decks have enough synergy for some games to act like a combo deck, whether or not it's the standard for that deck.
Hybrid is going to happen whether you like it or not
Are mats with playzones based or cringe?
>building deck>card count is wrong>literally unmark every card in archidekt>go one by one checking off each card as I find it in the deck>99 cards>don't have any more fucking sleeves>have similar color sleeve>i can absolutely see the difference>know I have very high ability to distinguish colors>just gonna have to go to LGS and hope no one noticesI'm not buying 100 sleeves just to redo this deck.
Don't make me make the new thread
>>97501361Cringe. What are playzones? Play whatever where ever, it's the best part of mtg.
>>97501372Just put your commander in the differently colored sleeve, ya doofus
>>97501395I always like using a clear sleeve so I can put an alt art version of my commander on the other side.
>>97501361Cringe because they imply there is a "correct" way to place your mtg cards, and there isn't. Anybody who gets mad at me putting my lands ahead of my creatures/artifacts can fuck off and die.
>>97501406So do that! You have 99 sleeves of the correct color.
>>97501410I personally pretend that I'm sitting at a 90 degree angle to the way I'm actually sitting, therefore when I tap my lands or creatures they look untapped to my opponents.It's just the way I play bro.
>>97501415Not that anon. I'm just making conversation. My bad
>>97501429>>97501429>>97501429
>>97501372I have one deck with one very slight off color sleeve, two shades of white. Im just upfront about it. I dont wanna buy an entire new pack of sleeves cause I lost one. Never had anyone care.
my unusual placement is that I have my graveyard horizontal and my exile pile vertical. dunno why i prefer it that way.
