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i hate the clans
BUTTE HOLD
>>97555991I love the clans
>"fuck the clans!"Okay>fucks my elemental gf
>>97555991I'll drink to that.
>I am Star Colonel Milfina Kabrinski of the Ghost Bear Dommy Mommy Cluster. What forces dare challenge to be crushed between our thighs?
>>97556097I volunteer myself, and will solo your cluster.
>>97556204a true bloodnamed warrior in the making
Note to self: Write a shrapnel story about an Elemental woman in the 3150s trying to find a real relationship while dealing with weird guys being weird about her.
>>97556330>while dealing with weird guys being weird about her.So basically every guy...Anyways, didn't have much of a game this week; Scenario that got cooked up didn't pass the Spider Test so my opponent's Mongeese just dashed to and off with the objective.We did however cook up an interesting idea; Solaris "Quake".Basically, everyone has the same Unarmed, under armored Mech, and it's a mad scramble to pick up a hand held range/melee weapon.
>>97556330So. Snow Ravens are smol? Right? And Elementals are big, right? So a Snow Raven elemental would be about normal sized, maybe a touch smaller, right? And that could lead to fun stories about "oh, I thought you were taller."Fuck off with any "that's seprate lines" bullshit. I know my headcanon better than you do and all Snow Raven elementals are tiny pale goth nordic fairy women barely taller than your average latina at best who never have a chance to grow old and ugly because of their semi-natural life expectancy. Hell, a normal spheroid could easily go through a dozen elemental wives in his lifetime with no overlap or divorce or bigomy. Imagine. Bidding against an elemental cluster for a wife to last you the rest of your life and upon winning that clan is now obligated to continue recruiting and training for that cluster because whoops you just keep outliving your wives but you won and they've got to keep providing new ones.That would suck. Fuck. I made myself sad.
Got my next project ready to print, if I have enough resin left.Rider is the same size as an epic40k guardsman, got nothig visual to base the size of the Branth (Rathian) on so made it look right to be carrying a rider in addition to it's own weight, they're supposed to be able to carry 2 and presumably still be effective in the air mobility wise so it can't really be any smaller than this.
>>97555988Good morning /btg/.I've come up with the CEV version of the Brimstone, otherwise known as 'the expensive one'. The standard Brimstone is a 70t 4/6 designed to be inexpensive and simple to repair and comfortable to operate and is 5.9 Mil C-bills.The CEV, designed to literally be a combat engineering mech is a modification of that which is 5/8 and is armed with:1 x Hatchet, 1 x LBX10AC (2t ammo) 4 x Med las, 2 x SRM4 (1t ammo) 2 x Flamers. XL Engine, Endo Steel, CASE, 11 DHS. 1555BV and about 16 Mil C-Bills. Supposed to be assembled around about 3055, give or take a little. The 'hatchet' would be modelled as a mattock (the tool) to help dig earthworks and clear rubble etc. Its designed to get in quick and open the way for follow on forces like any good Pioneer while still being decently nasty in its own right. I was considering dropping 2 of the med lasers for 2 small pulse lasers for both flavour and the fact that it's going to be in close combat anyway. The original Brimstone is supposed to be for periphery/merc forces etc just like the Merlin which is where I got the original inspiration, so the Flamers and SRM's are likely fixed equipment.Thoughts?
>>97555988Heh ‘member when these guys beat the Fire Mandrills in the Great Refusal? Ahhhh, those were the days
>>97556533Twilight of the Clans was apex Battletech. It's all been a backslide since.
>>97556490I see the TRO for these is 3085, but where does a guy get a record sheet for them?
>>97556490>got nothig visual to base the size of the Branth (Rathian) onThere's plenty of art, bro.
What's your favorite Clanbuster variant mech?
>>97556599Black Knight, no contest.>>97556575Literally Record Sheets: 3085
>>97556587Art is highly subjective, artists are not known for keeping to any scale.
>>97556605Yeah I looked in the one shown on MUL and there is only the Tariq beast mounted in there, not Branth
>>97556625Then read the physical descriptions of the Great Branth or the novel descriptions like the Duke of Andurien going out on safari with his.Either way, you are overscaled and missing the characteristic long neck.
>>97556599hmm maybe the archer or the whammer as much as id like to say black knight i find the royal a much more attractive pick for dealing with clans
>>97556634You need to dig deeper.
>>97556636>overscaledIt matches the art you posted though, and battletech is 6mm so the rider matching an epic guardsman is spot on, so it's exactly as it is supposed to be by visual precedent.And yeah, if they're supposed to be able to carry 2 humans and still manouvre then it can't be smaller, at least not by more than 10%Although your declaration of "overscale" is pulled out of your ass, you don't have an image of it next to a mech or a hex base to go on yourself.
>>97556660>you don't have an image of it next to a mech or a hex base to go on yourself.Actually, I do, but the mini is 10mm like all BA and specialist minis from IWM. Riders are 6mm if in true scale, but we're not talking about the rider. We're talking about the size of the Branth in relation to the rider. The rider in art is about twice as big relative to the one in your render.
>>97556330Nah write a story explaining Valentines day to her
>>97556681No, the sculpt posteed here for printing,>10mm like BASo not to scale, the Branth must be much bigger than BA, a single one is supposed to be able to take on light mechs and carry 2 humans on it's back while doing so.
>>975566496 3085 record sheet pdfs in the trove, not in any of the 6
>>97556692And why are you basing your shit on muscle density of earth creatures when it's a fucking alien lifeform not even a part of Reptilia or even Dinosauria?Not to mention, you keep mentioning two riders when 99.9% of the time it's one dude and equipment. Again, read about Humphreys going on safari.
>>97556699Aerial Beast Infantry sheet you nog.
>>97556692Damage light mechs, like any megasaur, like any dude with a club, really.
>>97556660NTA, but it's mostly the back half that looks too big and the neck being too short. If you want a generic woman on a dragon, good on ya, but it still needs work to be a Branth.
>>97556704I keep stating 2 riders because that is what they are described as being ABLE to carry, what they normally carry is irrelevant, they must be capable of carrying a quarter ton of human, a weapons harness and still manouvre.I am basing the necessary size on reality because that is what works, Battletech writers didn't come up with science for that planet and it's biosphere.
>>97556204
>>97556734>500 pounds of peopleA horse rider caps out at 200 pounds, fuckwit. Also, I'd like to see your autism in relation to the boneless supergiant plains land squids that most-certainly could not support their mantle if they were earth creatures.>Battletech writers didn't come up with science for that planet and it's biosphere.The planet is Lopez and yes, they did.Why are you so defensive, anyway? You got a bunch of canonical art that shows you correct rider scale. Just use it, instead of being all "My interpretation without ever actually seeing most of the fluff or art MUST BE RIGHT!"
>https://archive.org/details/rpgdragon-issue-03Another Japanese RPG magazine scan from Reddit, including part 3's of their Mechwarrior RPG replay and Battle Over:3025 design competition
Stuff and things.
>>97556768A horse rider isnt wearing infantry kit, fuckwit.
>>97556768>You got a bunch of canonical art that shows you correct rider scale.Which matches the STL shown and is far larger than battle armor.
>>97556791Now logic it through. That means the rider weight WITH KIT goes down, not up.
>>97556795The animal is far larger and nobody said shit about Battle Armor but you. The only mention of BA is that all BA and specialist infantry are made in 10mm scale for detail purposes by IWM.
So I've been reading over the Davion Force Manual. Has anybody tried running the various lances in the formation building section? Any good? I'm thinking of putting together an IWM Wolverine and Rifleman as the 6D and 3C for the default Rifle Lance since I have a Jaeger and Enforcer already.
>>97556844It's Jagger, not Jaeger.
>>97556798You're actually retarded.
>>97556811>10mm scale>IWM>detailThat's nice, but this is printing and battletech is 6mm scale, my manufacture doesnt need to make concessions to get detail.But also>10mm scaleYouve been arguing that what I have is "too big" but now you're saying it should be a larger scale? Make up your mind.
>>97556874If 200 pounds is the limit, then 50 pounds of kit caps the rider at 150 pounds. You are the retarded one. I also like how you have never once given the source of this two rider nonsense. It's not in TRO:3085. It's not in Mechwarrior Companion.Oh, fun fact though. If you actually read the Mechwarrior Companion, you'd read that adults top at 12 meters. But you're too fucking stupid to actually read source material. Kek.
>>97556890You are being intentionally obtuse. If the scale between the rider and the beast is wrong, it is wrong in every fucking scale, no matter what. It has zero to do with printing it in 6mm, 10mm or 25mm because it is the ratio of one thing to another in the same fucking print. God, you are either a moron or just a really dim troll.
>>97556904Nigger
What clan mechs can I plausibly add to my capellan company for Civil War and jihad era? My understanding is that it's too early for sea foxes to start selling clan mechs proper to the IS, far too early for cappies to produce them on their own, and their only salvage would be what little they gained dunking on Smoke Jaguars?
>>97556776Whoever it is, they work fast.
>>97556904no, infantrymen are not 150 pound dweebs. Alien Lizwrd is also not a horse.
>>97556904And the other sources say 19 feet.
>>97556921Manic?
Trying to get into the game but little idea of what I'm doing. Where can I read up on basic lance tactics?
Are Branth infantry even any good? 7 troopers with 5 vtol movement and an armor divisor of 2 still get wiped out by a single flamer more often than not, and their ability to shred other infantry relies on being at range 0.
>>97557163Play it like mechassault did - now everyone has kit foxes, mad cats, and thors. Add a star adder for spice
>>97557240its more about having the model for display, really.
>>97557243Wasn't that mostly Wolf's Dragoons and Word of Blake? I know the Capellans had Mad Dogs but they were mostly using tanks and Ravens
>>97557163At least one of any mech they would have reasonably encountered fighting the smoke jaguars.
>>97556776Man...
>>97557342I'm sure they'd sound much cooler in a cool foreign language like English. Oh, wait.
>>97557302If the cappies had mad dogs then give em mad dogs
>>97556440Make the objective weigh enough so that only heavier mechs with both hands can move it.
>>97557169I've remember a german magazine somewhere like 2 years ago
>>97557163The Red Lancers and Big MAC both took part in Operation Bulldog and came away with at least a lance worth of Clan Mechs. Anything used extensively by the Jags would be plausible imo such as the Mist Lynx, Mad Dog, Stormcrow, Dire Wolf, and Warhawk.
>>97557342The Genocider looks like a giga Hunchback and I think that's neat.
>>97556844I haven't but I had a look and some of the examples are pretty decent. I probably would consider their default striker lance a good roster to pic from if teaching people to play battletech.
>>97557342Japan made the first missile titty mech
>>97556718>the neck being too shortthat's due to the perspective, you can't see the neck at all there.
>>97557342Are there any old designs from Spain/Germany/France like this?
>>97557762Perhaps, the Kiudo are prefabricated fortifications from Germany content in 1996, before Historical: Brush Wars in 2006.https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Ronin!
>>97557342Genocider is a fucking wild name, I'd expect it to be fully geared to war crimes. I'm talking Plasma Rifles, Thunder LRMs, Flamers, Inferno SRMs, the works.
>>97557973Maybe the AC20 is loaded with flak?
Now that I'm home, here's the actual scale of my Branth rider.
>>97558316I'd still say the neck is a little to short and the tail's too fat, but technically speaking the unit's referred to as "Arial Beast Infantry", so it could really be any megasaur she's riding.
>>97558336I was honestly expecting more nitpicking about neither it nor her having any guns.
>>97558354She's also not wearing any armor or even a helmet, so all of those details are out the window to begin with
>>97558358the whole reason for doing this was someone a few threads back posed that pic of a scantily clad babe riding a wyvern perched on an Atlas's fist.The chances of me using Branth mounted infantry in a game are very low.
>>97557973It's 3025tech
So these are the supposed AtomTech and AnimeTech AU mechs
>>97558408So fins and... no difference at all?We could DIY this with plasticard if we wanted that shit, the fuck are they spending money on this garbage for?
>>97558336The "aerial beast infantry" record sheet in rs3085 is actually pretty specifically Branths. Even more specifically, it's Branth riders using the FWL infantry kit (3035+ edition) and using elephant guns. Branths are the only actual aerial beasts with a statline, so a generic flying beast would have to use the same one, but the reason it moves vtol 5 instead of 6 is the armor, and the reason their shooting profile is exactly the way it is is because they have those elephant guns.
>>97558436Also, while the record sheet has 7 per platoon, by the rules you could fit 21 in a single unit because Branths are size "large". You could put a whole company of Branth riders in one unit.
>>97558453Nah, need a record sheet for one extra large Branth and rider that can go toe to toe with heavy and assaultt mechs.
>>97558408Beemer looks neat. Won't buy it but its something. That's just a savage wolf on the left probably shouldn't have tried to demo it with a design they've rehashed into 30 other mechs now.
>>97558469You'd have to convince them to expand the beast mount table. There's only one Monstrous sized mount currently, which is the 35 ton, six legged Hipposaur with a 10d6 vs infantry (+4 damage vs armored targets).For comparison, Elephants are Very Large and add 1d6 vs infantry (+1 vs armor)
>>97558485Don't need to convince anyone of anything, if I can find a record sheet for that hipposaur I can get to work using a pdf editor to turn it into a Greater Branth
>>97558495I don't think they ever made a hipposaur infantry record sheet. But its entry as a unit type is in tacops.
>>97558504Yeah I see that the major eriphery states book only has tariq infantry for a record sheet.WTF sense is in there in giving something rules without a record sheet? No record sheet = no play.So I'll just have to take a mech or combat vehicle sheet, get an outline for a dragon and custom the whole thing from the ground up.Can use the rules for a superheavy mech but give it movement like a VTOL and just rename the kick, punch and fluid gun to bite, claw and poison spray or something like that, engine can be a heart, and so on.
>>97558519If they made record sheets for every infantry option, it would be one of those phone book sized record sheet documents. Even the Branth riders only have a record sheet that's suitable for a post 3035 unit.Hipposaur infantry would be like a local militia unit for that one Canopus world the hipposaurs come from, but you'd have to give them a specific armor and weapon loadout that would make it highly specific.
>>97558527It doesn't need to be infantry.Record sheets for megasaurs and the like that are JUST creatures is needed. Not what they're doing with gothic either where the abominations have guns and shit strapped on to them, people have wanted robot vs kaiju/dragon/dinosaur for a long time.
>>97558527>it would be one of those phone book sized record sheet documents.Or.... They could have all record sheets for everything accessible through a web service where you search the thing you want and print out just that record sheet.That would be much more sensible than having a stack of books where you need to go through the catalogue and then photocopy what you want.
>>97558539Well, quick and dirty off of its damage divisor of 4, it takes 12 damage to completely wipe a Hipposaur and its riders from the unit. It has 1 MP on the ground and 2 submersible MP in the water. It does 10d6 damage to infantry at range 0 and 4 damage to armored targets.
>>97558551Sorry, 16 damage.So give it 16 pips of health, 1(g)/2(s) movement, 4 damage with a fuckhuge anti-infantry replacement line of 10d6.
>>97558558And you get a -2 to hit it because of its size. Also, infantry damage divisor is a fucky system.
>>97558558That can kill a mech from behind or to the head.
>>97558549That would also violate their license agreement with whats his nuts who used to maintain HMP and has the exclusive and unconditional rights to all official game aid software.
>>97558622If it deploys from ambush. Even at a speed of 2 in the water, it'll never catch a mech that still has both legs. Even the infantry could probably take it out in the open. At the end of the day it's still just an animal. A huge, aggressive animal, but an animal.
>>97558549I thought they're doing that with MUL 2.0 update
>>97558408AnimeTech my ass, that's just an objectively better looking Timber Wolf. We can go further.
>>97558665And this is to go even further beyond!
>>97558428>So fins and... no difference at all?Battletech is already pretty stereotypically mecha anime, it's just there's no teen soldier mc piloting a super mech.
>>97558681Grey death legion is a teen boy in a marauder playing at being the champion of justice
>>97558681I thoight Jayden and the Cobalt Star are mostly teens
>>97557429>Make the objective weigh enough so that only heavier mechs with both hands can move it.Yeah it was not a terrible well thought out Scenario; The idea was you had to Walk it off with both your Mechs, but with no movement penalties otherwise a pair of fast enough Lights could do that Turn 2.Also why I'm a bit worried about Solaris Quake; A one-shot handheld Heavy Gauss Rifle sounds quirky, but actual play might not be so fun.
>>97558519>So I'll just have to take a mech or combat vehicle sheet, get an outline for a dragon and custom the whole thing from the ground up.>Can use the rules for a superheavy mech but give it movement like a VTOL and just rename the kick, punch and fluid gun to bite, claw and poison spray or something like that, engine can be a heart, and so on.Like a modified "Godzilla"? 120ton firebreather dinosaur with heat vision>>97553357>>97553379
>>97558705Which is definitely anime as fuck, but Grayson's Marauder was a stock 3R beyond rearranging the armor points a bit.
Which faction's mechs are the Gunslinger and the Sagittaire?
Battletech .... will never achieve the same kind of mainstream recognition as WH40K or Cyberpunk, or even Shadowrun
>>97558842Good.
Honor the Dragon lmfao, moar liek pic related fking cringe weeabs
>>97558846Are you the engagement bot?
So next month 2 friend and I are having 8000 bv 2v1 game with me as the odd man out. This is the Star I'm bringing and while I think it's fine but open to suggestions Also 1 of my friends is looking to Air-Drop a Behemoth Tank but we're not finding the tables. Is that possible without hand waving?
>>97558842I don't care lol, as long the franchise sell books and minis it's ok
>>97558842I'd argue Battletech has always been bigger than Shadowrun, except maybe for the brief period in the 2010s when Shadowrun had that trilogy of sleeper hit computer games while Battletech/MW was kind of in limbo. Also, the Mechwarrior games were definitely a bigger deal than any of them back in the 90s, but I doubt they'll ever overtake 40k again. Cyberpunk is still fairly big now, but honestly I could see it fading back into obscurity if Orion winds up sucking too much to fix the way they did with the first vidya.
>>97558850I just find the Kurita 80s ninja karate dojo california roll surface-level understanding of Japan aesthetic to be hilarious
>>97558893I think the best way to describe it is that that Draconis Combine has roughly the same relationship with Japan that the average Christian has with Roman-occupied Judea.
>>97556776>>97557342Back in the 90', Lyran Commonwealth and Free Worlds League was the most popular factions among the japanese players.
>>97558923I like that New Kyoto is where all the Japanese actually went
>>97558924Dangerously based.
>>97557762>Are there any old designs from Spain/Germany/France like this?Rampage?https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Guia_del_Juego_de_Rol_Battletechhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rampage>Mysterious 60ton mech with 2 small or medium laser from Spain magazine in 1994, before the 85ton mech with 2 medium laser from BattleTechnology #16 magazine in 1995 and Jihad Conspiracies in 2008
>>97558834>GunslingerMostly Lyrans and Dracs, especially post FedCom Civil War>SagittaireAlmost purely Fedsuns, Dracs had a dedicated variant for themselves but never really got to produce them before the Feds retook the system the only production line is in.
What of the construction rule makes a mech better/have more weapons and armor if it had less weight?
Following on from the discussion last thread about lyrans in 3025.Banshee 3SZeus 6SMarauder 3RArcher 2SWarhammer 6RThunderbolt 5SCrusader 3RThey actually make all these mechs and a lyran unit could easily have them.Almost 2 lances of heavy metal.They even 'work' together as mech's that are complementary.What do we think?
>>97559160Banshee 3S and Wolfhound are not available in 3025 technically
>>97556768>canonical artToday I will remind them.>>97557240VTOL infantry is for scouting in double blind and spotting, really.>>97557762There's a Spanish FanTRO.
>>97559168Oh look, it's contrarian-faggot>rules lawyering retard who doesn't follow the actual fucking discussionAgain. Again.The other guy was talking about 3025 late succ war ERA, you fucking asscl9wn retard. Not >these mechs must be in active production for 50 years as of January 5th 3025Also; I didn't even fucking PUT the wolfhound in there, as it doesn't even fit with all that heavy metal.
>>97559196NTA, but to be pedantic, you did only say "lyrans in 3025". Didn't specify that you were talking about late SW, even though the discussion in the last thread may have been talking about late SW. Again, you specifically said "lyrans in 3025", which was the disqualifier there.
>>97559207Only Hunchback C anon is the one who mentioned 3025. The other anon last thread said "Late Succ War" which, according to Hunchback C anons favourite website master unit list, is vague enough to mean either 2901-3019 or 3020-3049.He's still retarded for flying off the handle though.
>>97558408NinjaTech when?
>>97559232>Hunchback C anonHis nickname here is "Nuln" as he likes to block paint his mechs then smear them in nuln oil and acts like its some GD level paintjob then has a melty when he's told they look like shit and/or is offered advice on how to improve He also insists that the Hunchback C is regularly available during the civil war (its not) and likes to insist 3150 designs are "the best version of this mech ever" even when anons are discussing earlier eras. It's become a meme to be really era pedantic with him because he flies off the rails and has an autistic melty.
>>97558672We can go further. It's called a Timberwulf, let's give it a wolf head motif, or maybe something just vague enough that you could also call it a MadCat and it would also make sense.
>>97559283Aku lookin ass
>>97559232There's an anon that waifus not only a particular mech but a specific variant? Man I need to visit these threads more often.
>>97556467couldnt clan genetic science magic fix that?
>>97559232Honestly, you've got me questioning now if they are actually the same ausfag. The only thing I can say for certain from the archives is their posting style is almost polar opposites in regards to having a grumpy dumpy
>>97556467I don't think the typical Snow Raven is going to be any more smaller than average.This is your brain on coom.
Why yes, I do in fact love AC/10s with at least two bins of ammo on fast skirmishers
>>97559285>it's a meme to be era pedanticBegging your pardon anon, but seriously discussing availability isn't some kind of joke. When people ask about era and year there are a number of factors that roll into whether or not a certain mech or variant can be found in a certain place. Players are not required by some kind of cosmic game law to care about this, but if players want to play the game with historical forces there are some mechs that can and cannot be found on certain battlefields.The HBK-C is one of them as a Clan Ghost Bear unique in the CW era that opens up in availability close to 60 years later; to the factions of Clan Wolf, the Lyrans, Raselhague and Wolf's Dragoons: other factions, especially close ones geographically, may make sense to have them uncommonly as salvage (either as complete units or refits based on enemy deployments). It is not until ilClan that it expands further into being described as in Mercenary use; which doesn't mean Mercenaries couldn't use it before, just that its popularity and availability wasn't widespread until then.To that end, bitching about the BNC-3S a year before its introduction is way too pedantic, as though every introtech battle takes place on January 1st, 3025 at 12:01 AM. Similarly, the WLF-1 would be available shortly after this time in 3028; well in time for the 4th Succession War where most of the meat of Introtech would be occurring. Players should discuss with each other and agree on specific dates for games if they're intending to play very clear historical games.
>>97559310yes
>>97559285You forgot he said he'd use them as 3025 Death Commandos if he wanted
>>97559310>>97559374>Long ago on a distant world, I, Aku, the Shapeshifting Master of Darkness, unleashed an UNSPEAKABLE EVIL. But a foolish Samurai Mechwarrior wielding a magic Dragon stepped forth to oppose me.
>>97559394Funnily enough there was basically a giant stone samurai mech in the show.
>>97559366It wasn't that it became widespread or popular it's that there wasn't any factory making them until 3147 so there just wasn't the numbers around, if at all
>>97559409Too bad that Sym-bionic Titan never really took off, Tartovsky has a knack for mechs. I guess future AI will allow us to imagine Battletech in his signature style.
>>97559394Well shit, now I kinda wish we actually did get a Mystical-JapanTech. CGL isn't anywhere near that creative though. PuppetTech?2HuTech?I don't know, someone else could probably think up a better name for it.
Clearly the best hunchie is the HBK-4SP. Many fun loadouts.SRM 6 + 6 infernos, 4 med lasers2 SRM 6s, 2 M pulse lasers2 LRM 10s (15s maybe?), 2 L lasers. (Because fuck you why not)12 infernos, 2 flamers, 2 med lasers.
>>97559423Symbiotic titan was such a good show. Kinda peaked in the origin arc i felt, but that does not mean the rest was by any means bad.
>>97559432>>97559374>>97559283So.. and I mean this in the best way.. Is this a combination of naruto and mech autism?Because I Kinda dig it.
>>97559446Yeah that's exactly what it is, Battlemechs but built as extra large puppets from Naruto.
>>97559421By definition, mass production permits widespread popularity. The point of the distinction I made is that the theoretical ability to produce a canon variant does not factor into its availability; as you said, they weren't coming off of lines with that configuration until 3147 even if it's earliest tech date could have been substantially earlier.This is an important conceit to introductory dates: The dates at which you could make a mech have no relevance on the date the mech was made.
>>97559468Given how we have seen ninja puppets work.. I suppose they could function like a mech with the puppeteer as the pilot. Like nothing is stopping them from doing it since one could control a humanoid puppet with full range of motion with a single finger. (Or whatever the fuck sasori did to control 100).. Actually. Sasori basically did use his puppet as a mech. His hunched form was a puppet wasnt it?
>>97559483>Actually. Sasori basically did use his puppet as a mech. His hunched form was a puppet wasnt it?Yeah that's pretty much the exact concept around them, just bigger. You puppet them from a space inside the puppet mech. Instead of a control scheme, you have a chair to strap into and connect to the puppet with your chakra strings. Instead of a sensor strip and cockpit glass, you use puppet eyes dotted all around the puppet to have a 360° field of vision, plus jutsu shiki/seals carved into the mech to give you more complex sensors translated from ninja magic. Pic related isn't a direct reference to any particular BT BA, but is inspired by stuff like BT Elementals and Cyberpunk ACPAs.
>>97559305I've already written off on the actual AnimeTech having anything cool to it, but if they did I'd expect an advanced track/skate equipment to install on the legs for rapid movement, a more advanced JJ that give you LAM jump modifiers, a beam sword/plasma torch melee weapon, Vibro Hatchets, a bigger list of available freehand weapon systems, and an energy shield system which is possibly a version of the Blue shield system that isn't useless.
Going to be off to bumfuck but I'll have my laptop with me. For solofag play, should I do Megamek against Princess or try HBS BT?
>>97559543Depends on the laptop. I remember on mine HBS BT made my lap pretty toasty. Megamek would probably work on a potato. Frankly I'd probably go Megamek either way.
>>97559513>I'd expect an advanced track/skate equipment to install on the legs for rapid movementJJ's in MW2Mercs worked that way. It made the Urbanmech a high speed menace.
>>97559552Alright.
>>97559366>>97559481As >>97559421 says, it's not available at all outside of that one single model till 3147 which is when it starts becoming more available as it enters production and gradual distribution.In 3147 it's a rare mech for the factions that use it, and unseen outside of them, by 3150 its becoming a more common sight and one or two may have been salvaged/captured.>>97559385Man, I had forgotten that. What a clown.
>>97559590I'm not sure why you're repeating back to me what I've said twice.
>>97559543Megamek is free, and HBS seemed to go on sale more often than not. Unless you're on a space budget I don't think you have to make any hard decisions.HBS ran on an Alienware laptop from 2014 for me, and I could even boot it up on low settings on a mid-line gaming laptop from 2011, so unless you've got a dated rig I think it should be fine.Megamek's going to be closer to the P&P experience, while HBS is a more limited but visually appealing and honestly faster playing experience. I like them both for what each can offer.
>>97559605Hmm, well I'll see if it goes on sale before I head out.
>>97559481Do you believe a mech can be made in enough numbers within 4-5 years to make it widespread and popular?
>>97559642Not him, but isnt that basically what happened to the catapult?
>>97559642That's the story of Catapult and Locust in a nutshell
>>97559642I believe being a pedant over the words "widespread and popular" is a waste of time and you should find better hobbies than picking fights on the internet.In comparison to the C being a one-off nearly a century ago, finding a handful of HBK-Cs in among a couple dozen mercenary commands across the entire ilClan era IS is a massive increase in popularity and presence; not counting house commands that likely have first dibs on new production. Put differently, seeing Clan equipped IS units in experienced and elite formations should be somewhat expected in the era, even if the presence specifically of the HBK-C would be only one of many possible selections and would be unlikely to be found in any one given command en masse.
>>97559605HBS BT has severe memory leaks that will make your PC chug when it shouldn't, my non gaming laptop still ran it fine you just have to close the game and take a break when you hear the fans whirling too much.
>>97556533Canonically, Capellan mechwarriors are the best there are. But they're just almost always outnumbered.
>>97559624Another point worth bringing up:HBS is badly programmed. The dev team screamed 'diversity hire'. It's made in Unity. Some people complain about memory leaks. It's about as far as you can get from John Carmack. It needs more computer than it looks like it should.That being said though, managing your merc unit is addictive, and the game has way more heart put into it than most AAA studios put into their annual shovelware. Even though they made up their own donut steel periphery faction just for the game, they did a solid job of showing the atmosphere of the setting from a small merc unit's perspective. Included a lot of nods to the 80s' battletech experience, including using MW1e record sheets in some of the displays for the barracks. The jumpships jumping and actually considering planetary travel times helped to sell the setting, too.That said though, few people remember this, but Mechcommander 1 was a HUGE ram hog in it's prime time, it suggested a Pentium 2 133 but I don't think I got it running smoothly until I had a Pentium 4
>>97559729That mech she's in is a "two-seater"... right?
What tech would you use to upgrade the Atlas while staying true to the 7D model for the clan invasion?>big but short barrel autocannon, either AC/20 or AC/10 variant>six tube missile weapon, SRM-6 or is up to three SSRM-2s? >five tube missile weapon>a laser in each arm
>>97559746Isn't what you described essentially the AS7-S?
>>97559746The main problem with the Atlas is that it's short ranged but slow so it can easily be picked apart at a distance by fast and long ranged Clanner mechs. So AC/10 would be preferable to a 20 and with enough ammunition to run Precision ammo for the entire course of a fight. Three SSRM-2s are always going to be better than a single SRM-6. An LRM-5, and use the saved weight to have a few L lasers rather than a bunch of short ranged IS mediums.
>>97559736I wonder, if someone went back and optimized it could we get a rerelease on consoles and maybe even mobile. It doesn't look like anything too taking for even the Switch.>The dev team screamed 'diversity hire'. Would explain why the only white people on your ship seem to be kickstarter backer mechwarrior.
>>97559755I'm asking what would (you) do.
>>97559746I prefer an LBX-10 over an AC 20.
>>97559757Its a VERY good game but yeah some of the characters were a bit blatant. Hijab engi tech for one.Aside from that it is shockingly good. There are also mods for it to expand to the whole sphere. two main ones are BTA (Battle tech advanced) And ROGUETECH. However, they do stress the shoddy programing to its limit.The memory leak means you will want to close the and restart the game every.. maybe 4 or 5 hours depending on your system.
>>97559694I accept your concession.
>>97559746That variant already exists and it's the CM. Kurita were actually cooking with that design. It is 100% heat neutral at the long ranges you want to keep it at, and since it's an atlas, it requires a ton of work to actually put the thing down, so you don't have to worry too much about losing your master computer because your Avatar or something got flanked.Then you take a Grasshopper C and two fire support mechs also tied into the network and have it run up to things you want to kill from the other side of the board.
>>97556599The Shad
>>97559762Well if it was up to me personally I'd take an AS7-D, drop heatsinks down to something like 12, upgrade them to DHS, add C.A.S.E. and Art IV to missile launchers, upgrade the lasers to medium pulses while retaining the ass lasers just as Kerensky intended and lastly replace the AC/20 with a Gauss because there is no negotiation on that, you can't have a mech that slow and be unable to defend itself at range especially during Clan Invasion.I did attempt working on an RS by switching larges to ER's and replacing AC/10 with an LBX-10 but quickly just realized what I was coming up with was more or less an Atlas II.
>>97556768>boneless supergiant plains land squids that most-certainly could not support their mantleThere's a fucking what now?
ICE HELLIONS FOR LIFE! MY LIFE FOR THE GREAT RABID BIRD
>>97552667>>97552688>Akuma is uglyThat's the point lol, basically Akuma was made to be a low-cost alternative bootleg of Atlas to deal with the clan invasion, replicating the idea of "mech big, strong and ugly as possible"
>>97559786On the topic of C3 slave units, why isn't there a version of the Ninja-To that downgrades the ERLL's to normal Large Lasers? You do that, no other changes, and the thing turns into a nasty little fast brawler, that basically fire all but one of it's ERML's every turn without worrying about heat all that much. Sure, the thing is meant to be another Kurita direct fire support Mech, but given how easy that conversion would be, it's weird to me that the closest they got was the 3 which replaced them and the MRM's with a pair of PPC's. Which... I guess does help it's heat load a BIT at midrange?
>>97559777You're forgetting BEX. Roguetech is for turboautists and makes a poor running game somehow worse. BTA gives you all the toys imaginable but kinda fucks balance. BEX is the happy middle ground that focuses more on being fluff accurate
>>97558436The canon branth sheet is dudes on safari?
>>97558495No one stop him. We can have monster zero at home if the sheet gets big enough right?
>>97559844Yes. That's literally what they are used for after their homeworld gets blaked in 3070. By 3085, they're literally the pet project of the Duke of Andurien because he likes to go on safari.
I've not given them more than a passing glance for years, partly because they looked like armor seams drawn over traced D&D monsters, partly because I didn't have more clan forces than a few Jade Falcons before the kickstarter, but while I think I get the idea of Protomech rules, can someone with experience using them give me a run down on how they fit into a combined arms game? Infantry is largely about area denial and sandblasting targets, tanks are lower cost less flexible and durable alternatives to mechs that can ignore the heat from non-energy weapons. VTOLs are largely hard to hit harassers unless Flak weapons get involved... but as a whole, what role do protos fill on the table?
>>97558752Like we know what that sheet says. It's in Spanish it's basically lost forever.
>>97559746Remove all weapons. Remove all armour. Fill every single leg slot with the maximum possible quantity of Mechanical Jump Boosters. Have your newfound squadron of ASF7-D Atlas jump from the surface directly into the hull of enemy WarShips who get too low in orbit, where they proceed to literally beat the warship to death from the inside because even zero tonnes of weapons and armour is sufficient when your opponents are shipboard security.Even if (when) it fails you get to be a truly baffling footnote in Clan war reports.
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>>97559841I was unaware of that one, does it also add vehicles and Battle Armor?
>>97559833I think it's to get the most out of the C3 network and the MRM10 launcher. ECM bubbles are 6 hexes wide, which lets ERLarges just get their short range bracket without being in the bubble. Likewise, the 'sweet spot' for MRMs is 7-8 hexes, the narrow case where they have an advantage over SRM launchers.If they had standard Larges, yes they'd be much more heat efficient, but would be less useful if you're trying to transmit targeting info while avoiding the bubble.There are other refits that come later with standard PPCs and Snub nosed PPCs that share your line of thinking though, and are usually considered the better choice.
>>97559366PREACH
>>97559543MekHQ
>>97559858Protomechs play like Battle Armor that can move like mechs instead of waddle about or need to hitch a ride. Their original nickname of Super Elementals is appropriate.
>>97559729For no reason at all I am now interested in the Cappellan state.
>>97559918They do treat mercs rather well, letting them earn citizenship into a soft nobility. This is mostly due to them lacking the manpower compared to the other states.However, this means your under constant surveillance that makes China and Brittan look childish. And if you just happen to be associated with someone who was deemed a traitor then you may be killed. No, your not paranoid they are in fact plotting for, with, and against you all at the same time.
>>97559882Makes sense. I suppose if you were to go down that route, you'd have to adopt the position that you're redesigning it away from the C3 concept, so you'd drop that, maybe refit the MRM's to an SRM6 and use the extra ton to try and fit either more ammo or another heatsink. That would probably make a pretty good close range cavalry mech.The downside is however that with an XL engine it's somewhat vulnerable.
>>97559879Bro this game has so much weird hidden in the cracks.
>>97559936a well-treated pawn is still a pawn. I know the same can be said for any major power, but at least you have a decent chance of getting out alive with the other houses if the contract goes bad.
>>97559879>Giant land squid grabbing and pulling down VTOLS.I love this setting.
>>97559940Ah. I appear to have accidentally just remade the Ostroc. Nevermind.
Any Davionmen here?
>>97559858They're fast, surprisingly hard to kill and excel at ambushing bigger mechs. I've had multiple games involving them in cities in which they burst through a building and pummel the rear (lol) armour of a mech.They're the sort of threat the enemy doesn't really want to dedicate a ton of fire towards, but also can't ignore. This is their big advantage. They're quite fast, so a few Protos swinging around the table to flank an enemy mech while the big lads duel is a perfectly viable tactic, the enemy knows this and therefore will "waste" attacks on them leaving your own mechs free to hammer them without risk of taking damage.Are they the best choice? Probably not. But they're seriously fun and I am a big supporter of Protomechs!All of this is true in Classic and Alpha Strike but I'd say Protos work better in AS. They're harder to kill in Classic and still fun af though.
>>97559858>ProtomechsNo longer produced in the ilclan era though, many of the remaining units are preserved as study material in deposits of the clans and great houses
>>97559975Incorrect. Snowravens and Hell's Horses. Stone Lions, I seem to recall, also use 'em. Most of the Home Clans do actually.
I'm curious about the Inner Sphere WarShips built during the technological renaissance between 3052 and 3067.Say a Clan Naval Star consisting of a Liberator heavy cruiser, a Sovetskii Soyuz heavy cruiser, and three Vincent Mk.42 corvettes jumped into an important FedCom system, or a similar star jumped into a Draconis system.How many Fox corvettes or Avalon cruisers would it take to take on such a Clan naval force? And did the Dracs build good warships? What would they have to challenge it with?Scenario assumes no nukes and no dropship aerospace carriers.
>>97559970no take your solidly built butter and grainfed women and leave
>>97559975>No longer produced in the ilclan era thoughGot a source for that? I know the Ravens and Horses were still cranking them out in the Late Dark Age.
>>97559961Best thing to do is play the game yourself.Sign on with the Cappies, earn the befits, let them know your willing to go exclusive but your crew needs a bit more convincing (rewards). Then, juuust when they want to give you lands and make you a citizen, you fuck off to the free worlds league and buy twice the amount of land with the spoils you raked out of them. Or hell, just take it from some petty state, its the free worlds league, they dont give a fuck so long as you support the purple birb and the free market.
>>97559975>ilclanLolLmao, even
>>97558720This is because of clan culture though, I think Trent from exodus road was considered old and approaching solahma when he was in his late 20’s. Pretty sure Naomi from clans was about the same age and they considered her old, vs all the old fucks piloting mechs in the inner sphere
>>97559984I assume the fins are either radiators or ment to deploy a kite like jumpships can?
>>97559983>Snowravens and Hell's Horses. Stone Lions, I seem to recall, also use 'em. Most of the Home Clans do actually.I'm aware and that's the reason of "many", the clans still running some protomechs but in limited numbers
>>97559983>tfw Blood Spirits made masterful use of ProtoMechs>tfw they had to die anyway so the Star Adders could ascendlook at how they massacred my boy
>>97559858Harassers, flankers, meatshields, objective grabbers.
>>97560015>No longer produced in the ilclan era though>They are.>I NEVER SAID THEY WEREN'T!Ok buddy.
>>97560020Someday I'll convince my BT buddy to play Home Clans so I can play the Blood Spirits and the Society. Someday...:(
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/ProtoMech>However, the problems regarding the ProtoMech creation made them gradually abandoned. Some Clans, like the Goliath Scorpions, had abandoned them totally by the Dark Age Era. At the dawn of the IlClan Era there are no references to any Clan using them beside the Hell's Horses and Snow Ravens.
>>97560034Just a invade the sphere nerd. Who's gonna stop you?
>>97560051Sarna isn't a source.
>>97560051>No longer produced in the ilclan era though>Disproves himself almost immediately Ok buddy.
>>97560051>*edits the article to win the argument in your path*heh, nothing personnell.... heretic
>>97559936You will get company store'd and other maltreatments that the other houses do. Its only large, very long term units that get the citizenship thing and even then Big MAC got fucked over in current era>>97559880Last time I played it didnt but I believe the current iteration does
Any CGL official material talking about the protomechs post-dark era, guy?
>>97559858Beater and screening forces. They can move through buildings and across pavement unhindered and are fast enough to directly support mech or vehicle operations while being cheap enough to make up the numbers.They also largely use the best clan weapons, so you can't totally ignore them.>>97559950The BT universe is a pretty weird place, yes. They just pretend it isn't by not actually showing much of it.
>>97559970All the four to five foot males just remain seated, please. You standing up won't make a difference, after all.
>most of the Manei Domini escaped at the end of the Jihadwill we ever see them again?it was awesome watching single divisions wipe out multiple clusters at a time
>>97560091Read Ghosts of Obeedah. It's fucking awesome in terms of lore and new units. Enjoy :3https://files catbox moe/n1h6d5.pdf
>>97560091>will we ever see them again?no lmao, they got raped to death off-screen for cyber degerancy
>>97559984It's been a long time since I played any Battlespace, but the general rule is new production are beatsticks that give away all that supply capacity the SL liked for more armor and guns. This is because the Successor State navies are too small to operate like real fleets. It's more of a wonder weapon you deploy with an invasion fleet. This is why Taskforce Serpent was such a mishmash of stuff. Forget the 2nd SL. It's the only way you could make a big fleet outside of Comstar.I almost never played with clan refits of SL stuff, but if they fight like the old SL stuff, then you want anything 3/5 or more with big guns. The Dracs should be able to answer with a Kirishima and a couple Kyushu's to be pretty similar BV.If you want a decent idea of how it shakes out in-universe, the fleet fights in the Jihad are pretty good. You pretty much never get a description of the support elements, unfortunately, just that they're present.
>>97560061>Increasing amount of clans ditching the protomechs
>>97559432>I don't know, someone else could probably think up a better name for it.KarakuriTech
>>97560121>No longer produced in the ilclan era though>Uh...ah...l...less are making them! Just like I said!Ok buddy.
I wonder how many clans will be killed for good once Alaric kicks the bucket in Operation Bulldog 2.0
Does the amount of cargo space on warships have any meaningful mechanical effects on their deployment?
>>97560135But Bulldog 2.0 is the SLDF operation that cleanses the sphere of carrion Lord taint?
>tfw no quadruple amputee Manei Domini slave to use as a sex toy and every time she cries you can just say it's reparations for nuking your homeworld
>>97560128Yeah no longer produced by many clans in the ilclan, what's the problem? Do you want Catalyst "COMSTAR'D" 100% the little guys?
>>97560155>No longer produced in the ilclan era though>I NEVER SAID THEY WERE NO LONGER PRODUCED IN THE ILCLAN ERA!!!! STOP POINTING THAT OUT!!!Ok buddy.
>>97560161>No longer produced in the ilclan era though>Yeah, no longer produced by many clans in the ilclan era to be exact>Uh...ah...l...Ok buddylol ok
Furrymechs
>>97560139It means they're not self-sufficient and need a tender fleet. That's not a huge deal. You need that for any major military operation, anyway. SL needed it on their ships as they were constantly exploring and fighting bumblefucks on the edge of civilized space. Plus, they had enough warships to actually operated them in fleet roles instead of as a single floating fortress.
>>97560181>Says one thing>Gets proven wrong>Doubles down on the fact he did not say the first thing and totally said something else>Gets proven wrong.>Panics.>Yeah?! Well I know I'm wrong but YOU'RE the dumb one.Ok buddy.
>>97560190Since they all use thrust acceleration for gravity, do they have extendo docking arms or just use shuttles ya think?
The Reunification Wars and Star League Civil War are the best eras in Battletech. That is all.
>>97560210No Tex. It's Twilight of the clans and it isn't even close.
>>97560202Warships have collars with docking booms, just like regular jumpships. You can look up who has how many on their sheets. The Potemkin is super famous for all the bullshit it can carry.
>>97560190>PicStill funny that Kerensky basically left with a fuck ton of material he didn't own
>>97560216This.
>>97560210I really like the succession wars.
>>97560210>No WoB>No Manei Domini >No Protomechs>No Clans>No ComStar>No Marian Hegemony >No No-DachiYou are so wrong, it is not even funny.
>>97560199>Keeps parroting over the same thing like a botlol ok
>>97560220See, my issue with this is that unless they are docking on the front, the gravity of that dropship is suddenly going be against the wall.I do like the arm for assisting docking though.
>>97560236Locust must be shitting itself.
>>97560210Correct opinion
>>97560244This is why everyone straps in for maneuvers and cargo is netted. Besides, all you have to do is cut acceleration for a bit for 0G. You're not refueling during a full burn to a planet after a jump.
>>97560210>The Reunification Wars and Star League Civil War are the best eras in Battletech. That is all.
>>97559971Where you got this?
>>97560244What issue. The rooms rotate dum dum.
>>97560317they fucking what?Is that why they are orbs? Its a giant fucking gyro?
>>97560315Brigade Models. They've a ton of amazing terrain that fits Battletech. I love this stuff, we've used it in so many games!https://brigademodels.co.uk/product-category/10mm-sf/research-base-10mm-sf/
>>97560334No. I am fucking with you autism bro. It's just as cursed as you think. I would say stop worrying but I know you can't.
>>97560376A Toyama. It's painted even. I like this blakist.
>>97560376Oh nice, thanks!
Why do mech exist in this setting? I mean why not use tanks?Outside of being cool, because big robots are cool, but I wish to know if there is a lore reason why this happen.
>>97560432(You)
>>97560432Started as a propaganda project, but the first test was so successful production started enmass. They were originally ment to be used in combined arms armies as the 'heavy' units. Its why the first mech was technically what would be considered an assault. they could put on so much armor standard tank armaments required multiple direct hits (baring cockpit shots) to really do any lasting damage.The power supply of mechs also make them surprisingly viable.
>>97560432Mechs are better than tanks, that's why.
>>97560454Was there ever a reason why they didn't put those armor and power supply into the tanks?
>>97560465Similar to why heavy tanks didnt really take off in our world. The weight on the treads did not a good weapons platform make. Now combine that with a ton if exotic enviroments.A mech can trudge through a jungle, a tank could not. Swampy environments slow mechs, but stop most tanks completely.There are hover vehicles, but they have an even stricter weight limit so to have one as armored as a heavy mech + have enough power to run all its hover bits it would end up weighing and costing more than most mechs.
>>97560432Because Mechs are fucking cool and the series is built around them. That is the reason, none other is needed. But to appease autists like you it also came up with a lot of magic-but-plausible materials like Myomer and Fusion drives that make Mechs, for their weight, the most efficient way to carry armor and weapons on any terrain on any planet and fit neatly within a dropship.
>>97560465Because what made Meks effective was the combination of 2 unique factors a few ancillary ones:1. Was the myomer, the high-strength and durable motive structures of the mech. Analogous to human muscle, myomer gave mechs incredible weight bearing and torque allowing them to mount large amounts of highly advanced armor and equipment while still moving at a relatively high speed.2. Was the gyro and neuro-helmets used to control the mech; by using the pilot's sense of balance and proprioception the mech needed relatively minimal computational power to remain upright and move through complex motion with the relatively simple demands of a generally human (or at least bipedal) body plan.In addition to these features, armor for modern meks in Battletech are large ablative plates that are highly protective and only limited by bulk and weight; both factors that the Battlemech can mitigate by its relatively nimble motion and carrying capacity. Similarly the fusion engine has become commonplace in combat vehicles, but it shines in its use with the Battlemech, where it can power with output to spare the entire Mek and have plenty left over for weapon systems, use in Flamers and in the innovative Jump Jet systems found on a large number of Meks, which rely on the suspension of a Mek's legs to dampen the stress of a dozens of ton war machine landing from short periods of controlled flight.Beyond that, the point of the game from its inception was to have giant robots fight. Tanks can be useful supporting factors in an engagement and exceptional designs can sometimes match Meks, but they have become specialized as they have in Battletech because of their general obsolescence.
>>97560432>>97560465>Why do mech exist in this setting? I mean why not use tanks?It's a libertarian setting, there are no roads.
>>97559880BEX does not add BA or player operated vehicles. I still like it though.
>>97560135Probably just the Ravens since they seem to be slipping the leash a little too often. Destroying an entire city center was their idea, Alaric only asked them to "deal" with Daoshen, and that's what how they decided to do it. Invite everyone to blast a "rogue" clan clean off the face of space and also join the club, just like Nicky would have done. It also lets Alaric stab his allies in the back more, which is his favorite pastime.
>>97560654there is an add on for vehicles now apaprently.
Are there any nutjobs in BT who are looking for UFOs and intelligent aliens and stuffs?
>>97560806Plenty. The big exploration efforts are much more grounded though, since there actually is a lot of freaky space stuff out there. Intelligent aliens aren't actually a big deal, there are tons of stone age caveman aliens that are known to the public. They're scientific curiosities at best, dangerous pests at worst.
So what about the Draconis Combine enabled them to have so much production capacity that they were still capable of organizing things like Order lances (and most of their lineup being Iconic mechs at that) whereas their counterparts could never pull such a thing off, even the FedComs?
>>97560832Isn't rare to watch something like a Dragon in FedComs units and the other great houses sometimes though
>>97560832What are you talking about? The other factions have plenty of iconic mechs.
>>97560832It's not the capacity that enables them to do that, it's just preference. iirc, the Valkyrie is the single most produced mech in the succession wars thanks to that black box factory, if the Steiners wanted to do whole mono-units of Valks, they could easily do it.
>>97560832They had their super complex of LAW Luthien, the ancient SLDF super complex of LAM Island, AND the Panther supercomplex at New Oslo. Jenners were OOP and quite a bit rarer. High volume and low line variety for certain plants made things more dominant.
>>97560922That factory is on the Davion capital world.
>>97560932Davions then, whatever. Everyone makes fuckloads of bugs, but you don't see whole companies of Wasps or Locusts. It's not because of a lack of capacity.
>>97560387I like you too <3
>>9756037652nd Toyama. Sweet. Mech's a bitch to fight, far better than most people assume.
3058 is the best year to play in
>>97560832The power of Dragon honoring is a pathway to many abilities most industrial bases would consider unnatural!
>>97560965Just as an aside that does support your point. You do see entire bug companies in training battalions. That means they can do it if they want to. One of the famous examples of rare machines that happens to is nearly all surviving state LAM's being put into special forces battalions in the late 3020's.
>There's a lot of surviving Locusts from the original Star League days that still kicking and being a nuisance in the Ilclan era, unlike many other mechsSkill issue
>>97560005I'm not sure about the radiators anymore due to redesigns but I think it's for the jumpsails>>97560103I'll check out those Jihad fleets then. Did you ever get to play against NEA? He used to be my go-to guy for warship questions but I never see him anymore.
>>97560922>>97561052I remember reading somewhere that the Davions did do something like this with the Warhammer.
>>97561029All the variants are great. The 1B is particularly silly.>>97561041Why fight in the Refusal War when you can fight in Operation Bulldog, instead?
>>97561072>the Davions did do something like this with the Warhammer.I think you might be thinking how they took all their LRM Jagermechs and put them in the Brigade of Guards. Or maybe how they collected all surviving Battleaxes into a militia that survived long enough to reverse engineer to retrotech stuff in the Jihad?
>>97560216he loves TofC tho
>>97561052Way later in Ilclan, the FWL put all their Ares into a company that weighs more than some battalions. At least their first 12 Ares, they're probably making more in some secret facility since they have more than the goons gave them.
>>97561069>Did you ever get to play against NEA? He used to be my go-to guy for warship questions but I never see him anymore.I live way too far on the other end of the country to have played him. I just play my buddies, here. NEA is still around. He dropped in just a thread or two ago.
>>97559285Lie harder, commie faggot.>>97559385All you, commie.
Revenant Proxy mayhaps?
>>97561344I was going to say that they won't fit on a BT base but Revenants actually go on a big base. Odd.
>>97561360This is an issue with all wide quads since the dawn of time.
>>97561344It's a no from me. Looks nothing alike.
I wish they would do a record sheet pass on drone systems. I do really want to use a Hi-Scout and its drones, but the record sheets are all fucked due to using "infantry bays" instead of the actual equipment, or are flat out non-existent like the improved drones that are supposed to go with the Hi-Scout Cunningham.
Probably the Revenant gets a new model like Atlas and other mechs in the future
>>97561401They claimed they were going to do a Jihad set of releases with WoB mechs and such but it never happened. We're stuck with spider legs forever.
For the purpose of the force manuals, when exactly is "late clan invasion"?
>>97561344Cut off all the spikes and tentacles and MAYBE it'd work.
>>97561401>New model>Posts 3rd sculpt plastic Quickstart Atlas like it's the really old one.Pffft.
>>97561409Nah, they still releasing new models but slowy
>>97561401Atlas experienced Twinkdeath. Grim.
>>97561424Tease me not anon :'(
>>97561423Ah yes, the manlet Atlas
>>97561439Then, there's the second sculpt, the silly tall pinhead atlas.We do not speak of the Plastech Fatlas, for it is cursed.
>>97561413Refusal War, GUERRERO, BULLDOG, and up to the FedCom civil war.
What's this a good proxy for?
>>97561564>Little rat peopleCapellan Infantry.
>>97561382It's the only reason I refuse to use quadmechs
My favorite tidbit of Operation Bulldog is how the cleanup side-OP from MW3 was canonized in Trial Under Fire i thought that was pretty cool
>>97561564Tunnel Rat pa(l), obviously
Has some autist compiled the sample lances from the field/force manuals into .muls?
>>97561105>NEA is still aroundToo bad. I keep hoping he dies off or quite gaming forever.
>>97561576But no jetpacks
>>97561604The Tunnel Rats actually made for combat have jump jets.
>>97559963>>Giant land squid grabbing and pulling down VTOLS.But can you milk them?
Branth Babe printed, her sword broke so she gets the tip of a sewing needle.
>>97561568>little peopleLiteral Fedrats.
>>97561909>>97561576The Tunnel Rat is made by GM in Fedsun space
>>97561461>you vs. the atlas she tells you not to worry about
The B&N exclusive has a Shockwave and HGR Stalker fug
>>97562032I like the Shockwave, not least because it's another FWL mech, but it still baffles me that that's what they decided to put in the pack. There are just so many better options that fit the bill of late era FWL mech.
>>97562097That's part of the reason I'm probably going to get it. The Shockwave having an artillery cannon variant also helps.
>>97559285Firstly, I have always maintained that I am shit at painting, but that there are 'cheats' for making it look OK (good to me). You faggots are the GD wannabes.>>97559385And that is something contrarian faggot retard posted pretending to be me.I would never abuse a retarded 'rule' from what was it and old force manual?Let alone play fucking LAIO. Those cunts all need to die.Fedcom and fwl should have crushed them out of existence.But you're misremembering on purpose, because you're lying commies pretending to not understand things to make actual discussion impossible.
>>97559970By way of FedCom Forever
Can someone toss me the audiobooks for Rock of the Republic, Shell Games or Honor's Gauntlet please? Thank you, anons <3
>when you're losing a fight but score a lucky hs on the enemy's centerpiece
>>97562170Nigger
>https://archive.org/details/rpgdragon-issue-04Today's Japanese RPG magazine scan>I miss 90s Japanese artstyle
>>97562360
Were any "force manual" books besides the davion/kurita ones made?
>>97562407Mercs, Steiner, Invading Clans confirmed
>>97562449Oh so they're still writing them, sick.
personally I find the hornet to be even goofier than the urbie
>>97562460We got cover for the Invading Clans>guess whose PoV is it
>>97562494I was prepared to be mad but now I am pleasantly surprised
>>97562494Dude on the left looks rough.
>>97562481For me it's the Flea. And the Firebee. Basically any light that isn't at least 6/9/6 or 8/12. They're all pretty silly.
>>97562449>Mercs, Steiner, Invading Clans confirmedLooks like Marik will be the last book
>>97562558Don't you dare shittalk my Panther
>>97562574Your Panther is FOOD! FOOD!
>>97562571Yeah, Ray said they'll be making Liao book so FWL will be the ladt if they ever make one
>>97562590That's fine enough since they're the "least relevant" in the late succ - clan invasion era
>>97562494>fucking Black Widow again
>>97562606And the rare green laser.
>>97562360Weird, I can't see it
>>97562606Did you really think it would be anything other than goons?
>>97562679There are worse choices. There's a world where it's Fox Patrol.
>>97562728For real how did Bryan Young become a BT writer? Does he have the porch receipts?
>>97562766He delivers on time and doesn't complain about late payments or demand higher payment. That clears the bar for freelance writing, with flying colors.It's possible they're even experimenting with the idea of paying him on time, every time. Presumably the higher ups don't know about that part though, because they'd definitely shut it down.
>>97561080Had a look at the TRO 3025 as I was curious where I thought I had heard this. Turns out was the Mariks who pooled a force mainly made up of Warhammers and used them to beat up the Capellans. Davions did do something to the Dracs but their force was supposedly mixed with Riflemen.
Which mech is the most Monkey? I'm assembling a team.
>>97562878Mandrill
>>97562888Somehow not a quad
>>97562970It should be able to go Quad-Mode.
nothing beats catching a lone mech out of position and just kicking it to death like it's just a hood fight
>>97562612Its a modern vidya concession. Big lasers blue, mediums green, smalls red.
>>97563152Oh I don't like that. Small should be green, Medium should be red, and Large should be gold/yellow.
>>97563152>>97563255They should all be the same color, its a battlemech not a fucking pride parade.
>>97563297Laser colors have always been up for customization, it's purely a matter of the lense color. The only energy weapon type that doesn't apply to is PPCs, PPCs are always blue. Everything else is fair game.
>>97563310What if there was a technological advancement that allowed PPC color customization
>>97563332Protons and ions glow BLUE and always will!
>>97563332The Combine would never be the same again
>>97563152>ModernIt's the color scheme from Mechwarrior 2.
What's the closest thing to the Harlem Globetrotters in Battletech?
>>97563422Greenburg's Godzillas
>>97563422the Harlem Globetrotters
>>97563332Some of the ones in MW5 are purple.
>>97562888It's Monkey Monday! Show me that monkey!
>>97562114I ran the Pillager with the artillery cannon and found it underwhelming.
>>97563332I always figured it like this.>More intense the color = More intense damage, right? So.>Standard PPC: Light Blue + White.>Light PPC: Deep Blue + White.>ER PPC(Clan): Ligher Blue + White with the edges being violet.>Heavy PPC: Chaotically sparkling Electric Bolt of Blue and Violet.>Heavy PPC + PPC Capacitor: Shocking violet, like a Maxed out PPC From Mechassault 1.
>>97563297I thought closer to violet more the power due to wavelength or something
Imagine a deep red PPC that's super short range and hits multiple locations at once like a shotgun.
>>97563815There's already plenty of cluster weapons.
>>97563851Then what about a direct fire energy weapon that hits hexes like artillery instead
>>97563876Naval PPC.
>>97563877But on a mech
>>97563815I feel like Snub Nose PPCs should have the option to do that at under 5 hexes.
>>97562766He knew Michael Stackpole, presumably through Star Wars. Wanted to write for Shadowrun but they didn't have any free space so Stackpole suggested doing a story for Battletech. Now we're stuck with him
>>97562170I don't know what an old force manual has anything to do with you saying you'd use the lance in a 3025 game as a death commando unit, but you did say it. It's in the archive. You also said you'd use it in an age of war game too because "using eras is fanfiction"
>>97563876Energy weapons don't get every niche.
>>97564127Is there a niche for super short range artillery? Like, 9 hexes max (if even that) artillery.
>>97564127They should though. Energy weapons are just better than anything ammo based.
Was the Wolf's Dragoon consisted entirely of Clan Wolf initially? Other Clans didn't bother to send their freeborn or solahma at all?
>>97555988Glory to CCAF!
>>97563815Didn't they have a weird scatter PPC in the HBS game, or am I imagining that?
I want to make a Society force and was thinking about how to do it. I came up with this, how does it sound?A lot of the Society ‘military’ was made up of old SLDF Battlemechs and vehicles from Brian Caches so I’ll have plenty of those but a few Smoke Jaguar warriors aided them led by Russou Howell so I plan to have a few Jaguar Clan mechs mixed in with the Clan Coyote mechs from Delta Galaxy since it canonically sided with the Society.Basically the force will look like this: SLDF colored Inner Sphere Mechs/vehicles. A handful of Clan Smoke Jaguar Clan Mechs.The rest of the Clan Mechs and Elementals will be Clan Coyote Delta Galaxy.
>>97562494You know its bad when people trying to promote battletech have to replace you with AI.
>>97562360They waste no time.
>>97564153Artillery canons, yeah. No, they're not THAT short, but 12 hexes is plenty short for an artillery piece.
>>97564418Honestly, just replacing the horned glasses would do a lot. That, and toning down the pink.
Fuck this is awesome. Some dude 3D printed a to-scale Protomech and it playing a skirmish game in which an infantry unit is ambushing it amid a ruined town. I won't lie, I'd play this. A skirmish scale infantry game with Protos and Elementals fighting Spheroid infantry would be KINO
>>97564493I would play the fuck out of this holy shit. Would consuuuuume like mad.
>>97564493>>97564546Literally Battletroops.And no, you would not play it because it's basically an X-Com board game.
>>97564560Did it use time units?
>>97564560I fucking HATE Battletroops which is why, if you actually read, you will notice I did not mention it when I stated my desire to play an infantry scale skirmish Battletech game :)
>>97564560>Literally Battletroops.Except, you know. It's clearly not lmfao faggot kys
>>97564384Which regiment is that?>That Thud 'cockpit glass'I have a bad news anon
>>97564712>That Thud 'cockpit glass'I painted it as cockpit as well. I think it's a better location for it.
>>97562209>audiobooksLiterally not one single person in all of human history has bought a BT audiobook anon lmfao
>>97562209Man the scale of that mech or that battle armor is all sorts of fucked up isn't it
>>97564917Battletech is a world of abstraction and lies.
>>97564493I honestly thought it was giving that infantryman a thumbs up there.
>>97564392They made the snub PPC behave like a shotgun in that yes.
>>97564917>>97565002Hey, even if there's no God or Buddha, won't you believe in Giant Black Knight?
>>97565045That's actually a Black Knight shaped Mobile Structure. Show me the rules that say it can't exist.
>>97564418>peopleRussians don't count as 'people'.
>>97564917I like it. Mechs should be monolithic.
>>97565139If they were monolithic they wouldn't have working joints, doofus.
>>97564493This is just you begging for attention for your infantry with bt rules shit you still arent playing the game
>>97564712If you actually look at the minis cockpit glass is green and he painted the hatch gold like the other accents
>>97564493You, uh, going to link rules or something or just post glamour shots all day? I mean the protomech print is cool, but it's just kinda there.
>>97556010Aff, sibkin.
Clans are the very essence of "based retards" no matter how much cgl tries to spherewash them
>>97556204When I read this it was in Sean Bean's voice. Not sure what that means.
>>97565644>I'll solo the 'ole bastarding lot of 'em! Harper, shoot any man that gets in my way!
>When I saw the Clanners coming over the bridge, I naturally gave the order to charge! That's my style, sir!
>>97564493That's really good for an FDM print. I''ve been doing my 28mm scale Protos in Resin. They can be really imposing in a good way, or stand-in as large mecha in different scale games than Battletech. Where's your proto file from?
>>97564712>Which regiment is that?The Red Lancers, one of the more veteran Capellan regiments. >>97565498 is correct
Spherewashing lol
New thread>>97566294>>97566294
>>97565751>Major Focht account differs somewhat from yours Sir Anon
>>97565490You're welcome to think what you want, but you're wrong. >>97565516If he does share them, let me know. I'm curious.
>>97565451>I need the biggest stompy robot you have.>No, that's too big.
