Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread>>97570039>Thread QuestionWhich army are you considering starting after you finish your current project?
>>97582053>TQNecrarch undead using tomb king rules is the most likely one. I've a vision for the project, but unfortunately the tomb king roster lacks rules for heavy cavalry, and the monstrous cavalry uses bases that are too large for my taste.Is it a viable idea for an empire army to have multiple captains or chapter masters on demigryphs to guard flanks and chase after light cavalry?
>>97582053>tqI still have to expand my renegade crowns into a proper 2k list but afterwards, I'm probably waiting for Kislev
>>97582053>TQAfter I am satisfied with my Beastmen I might aim to have a small force of empire with perhaps some dwarf allies, maybe up to 1000-1500p worth, to have for casual, fluffy and narrative games
Still not quite right with the model - what's off about it?Phone also just cannot pick up the right colour, the tassle thingies and the little triangles are a proper teal colour, but it's showing up as entirely blue without much green tone in it at all.
>>97582157Even worse in this light
>>97582157Don't take my word for it but it might be too many bright coloured parts. I think the long parchment bits which you've painted teal distract from what should be the two areas of focus, meaning the model's face and shoulders and the symbol at the top of the staff.
>>97582167I was going to say the opposite, I don't think the very dark skin and black elements work with the bright colours. Everything black should be painted red and teal and the skin needs to be in a lighter colour, either a light brown or the weird grey blue that GW does.
Half way there with my Graveguard. Hoe do you guys paint bone? I just paint on Ivory Tusk from 2TC and shade with nuln oil.
>>97582335I always do my bone first. Either contrast primer or white, skeleton horde, drybrush ushabti bone, highlight screaming skull and then pray I'm tidy enough not to fuck it up afterwards
>>97582335I paint bone like this>Zhandri dust>Seraphim Sepia>Ushabti bone drybrushLook at the bone stuff on my bray shamans’ staffFor horns (if you want to paint bones like that) I use>Celestra Grey>Seraphim Sepia>screaming skull drybrush (or highlight if you’re fancy)
Getting into the rpg, got a pretty good understanding of 4ed now but kinda interested in playing 2ed. I hear a lot about 2ed combat being more dangerous and lethal. Is that true? That does sound kind of fun.
>>97582437It's also a whiffing fest in which two parties can flail at each other without any progress.The Advantage system was created to address this.
>>97582167>>97582274Right, I painted up some of the black areas to be red and teal, and I've spent too much time fucking about with this model that I'm calling it done
>>97582437It's a lot of whiffing compared to 4e, which is why 4e uses opposed checks in combatAlso advantage, but advantage is its own mess.do wonder how C7 will make Combat more lethal in 5e, which they said was one of the goals of the system change
>>97582053>Always Outnumbered, Never OutgunnedDwarf warmachines in this edition are a joke. Even goblins have better and more reliable artillery (Doom diver). Empire cannon is better even though dwarfs gave them the techology.Dwarfs in general are in a pretty bad spot at the moment
>>97582512Odd question, but if I wanted to test combat between two characters in WHRPG 4th, can you give me a summary how I'd go about it?Considering the relative similarity to stat lines to actual WHF and WHRPG, I assume its similar?
>>97582667Only 1e is similar to WFB, and even then it's really only similar to the third edition of WFB, the latter editions start doing their own thing.I would probably give a rather bad summary of a combat encounter in 4e, so im just going to take a screenshot from the starter set that explains combat
>>97582572Dwarf cannons have always been worse than the Empire Great Cannon.Even though dwarfs gave humans the technology, dwarfs are stubborn and don't innovate,while human engineers are more than willing to experiment and innovate.
>>97582797At least in 8th they were very similar. Empire had just longer range. In ToW Empire has better range, strength and damage.
>>97582797don't try to defend this crapthe dwarfen cannons have visibly more advanced technology, they're weaker in stats because of older models making the dwarf cannon way smaller, but that stopped being truly the case with the plastic kit
>>97582053>TQYou keep asking that. Get new material. The thread questions are genuinely dogshit recently.
>>97582851go back to /40kg/
>>97582572I've been winning pretty reliably at my FLGS with Expeditionary Force. Gyrocopters are amazing for their ability to move to get a line of sight on any target and S4 shooting means they can do chip damage to anything. If you pick your targets right, they make back 2-3x their points before dying.
Halberds or hand weapons on Tomb Guard?
>>97583025Neither
i was reading the ambassador chronicles the other day. Got to the part whare Kasper was invited to the winter palace. their were scenes in the book of kislevite pages and maids handing out drinks to people. F For a breaf moment i imagined my self a as one of these squires and then i imagined I ran into the Tzarina and katanin said i was a "good boy" and I was doing a Good job and that i was cute. s she gave me a kiss on my cheek ;-; I Her icy kisses were the only form of affectionate warmth I've felt in ages. I i want to be hugged and kissed by a muscovite or just general noble woman as a cute Slavic boy so bad bros.;w;. a am I gay and retarded for thinking these things
>>97583109>am I gayabsolutely.
>>97583025hand weapons no contest
>>97583109>am I gayI mean clearly not>am I retardedA resounding yes
>>97583177Halberds should have fight in extra rank.
>>97582847>>97582572>empire cannons Empire always had the bigger guns. Dwarves had MORE guns and their guns were more reliable.They were always "weaker", to compensate for that theyre cheaper, more reliable and can have runes on them.The hellblaster fired more shots than the organ gun, the greatcannon was a bigger brother to the dwarf cannon. This was always the case and represents the technological differences between the races.Dwarves have higher quality stuff, but its archaic and conservative, safe and reliable designs that have remained the same for millenia. The empire takes those general concepts and fucks with them, bigger, stronger, less reliable. Its going to explode in your face some of the time, but when it works its going to outperform the dwarf counterpart.
>>97583208All halberds should function like the elf ones/like the men at arms ones. And then phoenix guard and BG should have something fancier (Ap-2 always?)
That Dark Elf WFRP book is available now for those who buy WFRP books.
>>97583279>MORE gunsno, they don't field more of the normal cannons
>>97583279The empire should be about quantity, dwarfs about quality.Empire cannons shouldn't be stronger.
>>97583297But they do, theyre cheaper and therefore easier to field.
>>97583306And yet thats exactly the relationship between the two since forever. Empire has massed shitty infantry and very powerful superweapon artillery, dwarves have relatively sparse but very elite infantry supported by artillery that isnt as "explosive" as its empire counterpart.
>>97583314>and very powerful superweapon artilleryYou're running in circles, justifying the idea that the empire should have better cannons with the fact that the rules gave them better cannons.Nothing about the empire should be particularly better than other factions, let alone cannons compared to the dwarfen ones.
>>97583352The empire has an entire city state dedicated to innovative engineering while the dwarfs are in their kali yuga. The empire also employs both human and dwarf engineers while the dwarfs stubbornly stick to their old ways. Everything about this should mean that empire has better guns. In fact it's nonsensical that the empire doesn't outclass them heavily.
>>97582847I'm fairly certain that the Dwarf kit is newer, being redone in 7E compared to the 6E Empire kit.Dwarfs favour smaller, more reliable cannons while the Empire prefers the power of a Great Cannon. 'Better' is relative but it's nothing new that the Empire fields bigger, more expensive and more destructive variants while Dwarfs favour cheap and reliable. This has been true since 6E at least.
>>97583208The biggest problem is that the two extra armor save you get from shield is always better than anything you get from most other weapon types besides great weapons.
>>97583352I am explaining their gameplay mechanic and faction identity. You can shout until youre blue in the face that the dwarves should have the bigger guns because something something "they invented them so clearly they should have the cutting edge despite never innovating" but this is simply irrelevant to how warhammer has always done it, how their lore shows them and how their faction works mechanically.
>>97583371Bigger =/= better. Dwarf artillery is fine, its flexible, reliable and cost effective. Its simply less offensive in terms of raw damage output per artillery piece.
>>97583387>I'm fairly certain that the Dwarf kit is newerthat's the point, it's a debuff based on the older version
>>97583371the most innovative engineering of the empire is considered children drawing by the dwarfs and the dwarfs have advanced enough in recent times to have fucking helicopters and armored fleets You're full of shit
>>97583423This is also not just gameplay, but reflects their in lore priorities and mindset. Dwarfs are repeatedly depicted as perfectionist traditionalists, people who value reliability and utility and abhor what they see as unproven or unreliable even if it has undeniable power. They naturally focus on smaller, artisanal weapons which can be used for all manner of situations via runes and be relied on to always be functional and effective.The empire on the other hand is desperate to compensate for its weaknesses against its many foes, and will use whatever lets them punch up and stop chaos or greenskins or whoever else assraping them, so they naturally want the big and (relatively) less practical weapon even if it breaks more often or is less wieldy or isnt as useful in XYZ situation which a dwarf would really care about but which are in reality niche corner cases. Or to put it another way: Dwarfs would be the sort of people to go on and on about how important the A10 is and how the f-35 is too expensive and unreliable and fragile. Theyre also a dying race on its last legs.
>>97583417>"they invented them so clearly they should have the cutting edge despite never innovating"the cannons already display that they're more advanced, they're rifled and using cartridges for fuck's sake
>>97583441Neither gyrocopters nor dwarf ironclads are "new" anon. Both of those things are things the dwarfs have had for a very long time and which they have done very little with because, despite managing to somehow figure out mechanised flight the dwarfs distrust it too much to invest into it. The dwarf ironclad navy is barely a regional power in their own back yard.
>>97583455>the modelThe dwarf cannon is also around half the size of an empire cannon.
>>97583417>I am explaining their gameplay mechanic and faction identityno, you aren't, the empire doesn't have "strong cannons" as faction identity, it's just having cannons, their gameplay identity is jack of all trades master of none.
I see the artilleryfags are at it again. I'll remind you that cannons being gay and meta-defining from 6th through to 8th is partly to blame for why TOW is the way it is.
>>97583467>the empire doesn't have "strong cannons" as faction identityYes it does. It has literally had "the biggest cannons" as a USP since forever, because thats how the faction is intended to work. Empire infantry and cavalry are bad and cannot win without the support of their best in class artillery. >their gameplay identity is jack of all trades master of noneWrong.
>>97583459>Neither gyrocopters nor dwarf ironclads are "new" anon.They've been invented after the fall of the time of woe, so your argument that their technology is shit because they're in their kali yuga is yet another piece of bullshit to add to the fact that dwarf engineers in the empire don't just give their secrets.
>>97583498>They've been invented after the fall of the time of woe,That was like 4000 years ago anon. Cannons were also invented after the time of woe/war of the beard. Whats your point?
>>97583466>a longer barrel means a stronger shot!
>>97583479>Yes it does. It has literally had "the biggest cannons" as a USP since forever>>97583352>You're running in circles, justifying the idea that the empire should have better cannons with the fact that the rules gave them better cannons.
>>97583508Anon it literally does do that, yes. A longer muzzle means a longer period for the shot to accelerate before its released from the pressurized environment and starts losing speed instead. Cut the barrel of a gun and the bullets do less, add a longer barrel and the bullets do more.
>>97583516>the empire never had cannons as faction identity!>yes they did>well that doesent matter because I dont like it and think they shouldnt!lol
Cross-section of a Black Ark
>>97583529page 2
>>97583529Good thing it has those two sails, no way would it move otherwise
>>97583529How do these work again
>>97583507>Whats your point?That your idea of dwarfs as technologically more inept than the empire is simply wrong and groundless, they have better tech all around in every field and are constantly innovating, with active engineers guilds, even if at a slow pace, meanwhile the empire is stuck as the peak of their technology with steam engines made by a tilean which they can't replicate 500 years later >Reputed remarks of High King Thorgrim Grudgebearer, on being presented with a copy of the Notebooks of Leonardo da Miragliano by the Emperor Karl Franz>These are nice drawings. They are by your children, yes?
>>97583535Magic. >>97583533Four. And assuming the thing is bouyant with magic those sails would absolutely do quite a bit.
>>97583535magic
>>97583526>>the empire never had cannons as faction identity!never had STRONG cannons as a faction identity just cannons dwarf cannons being weaker is a refuse from older rules, the same reason why greatswords wear full plate armor despite the newer models not having full plate armorit's not balance, it's not faction identity, it's not rationalised, it's just leftovers
>>97583529Does it still count as "siege warfare" if the castle is attacking you?
>>97583548>never had STRONG cannons as a faction identityBut they literally did, as seen by the fact that dwarf cannons were (and remain) weaker. Because thats their respective identities mechanically.>the same reason why greatswords wear full plate armor despite the newer models not having full plate armorGreatswords had NO armor in 4e/5e, them wearing full plate was introduced in 6e (which added "armor" as a part of the empires identity mechanically, since before that they didnt have good armor).Their current models remain well armored in accordance with their rules.
>>97583550yes
>>97583391NTA but I dispute that. You need to also have at least light armor otherwise it's usually better to have other weapon options. Two hand weapon on offense, spears in defense, great weapons against armor.Halberd is probably the best base weapon though. The only buff I'd like is the spear defensive bonus of +1 init when charged.
>>97583559>But they literally did, as seen by the fact that dwarf cannons were (and remain) weaker.>>97583352not every quirk of the rules is a mechanical identity you retard>them wearing full plate was introduced in 6e with models wearing full plate armor>Their current models remain well armored in accordance with their rules.the current models are not armoured enough to be considered wearing full plate armour by any possible stretch
>>97583535Usually magic but I swear I read before that some are attached to the backs of gigantic sea monsters
>>97583579yes i think that also comes from the old Man O War mini for dark elves
>>97583533I'm assuming they're not for propulsion but rather rotation
>>97583579The book does have an entire page dedicated to Beast hualed ships of the Dark elves and stats for Sea Dragons
Within a 750 point list where armies have 15" deployment gap, which would be better for Orcs abd Gobbos?Currently I have two blocks of 20 orc boyz, 10 skirmish boyz and 6 boar boy big uns with heavy armour, shields and spears. Which goes better with them? >3 trolls with great weaponsHave brain problems, but 9 wounds, toughness 4 and regen seems sturdy and 9 attacks with str7 also seems good.> Lvl 1 NG shaman with ruby ring and 6 squig hoppersLikely only get 1 turn to fire itchy nuisance and fireball but could do damage.6 hoppers seem good to fight enemy cavalry, assuming they don't get charged first or shot, the latter my main worry. Thoughts?
>>97583599Pretty sick that they're giving us new boats. A lot of companies let those kinds of special rules/systems flounder in their own supplement and never add on to it.
>>97583610The Dwarf and High Elf player guide also had new ships, so including the dark elf ones makes sense as well, shame the lizardmen one didn't make the cut in the Lustria book
>>97583579that's the smaller ones
>>97583621as far as I understood it the lustria book had quite a bit of material that was going to be in it but then cutI wonder if they might consider a supplement for that supplement
>>97583658If C7 think they could get money from making a Lustria companion book, I think they would.
>>97583529>>97583531Wouldnt the food stores need to be absolutely colossal to feed all the crew and slaves? How long could a Black Ark realistically be deployed? Im not gonna ask about the physics because I get this is warhammer and the obvious explaination is magic
>>97583961
>>97583961If the fortress is big enough they could farm on it, or fish from itor farm shellfish around it
>>97583993Or all three, along with raiding ships and coastal towns
>>97583993Make a strong enough stench and you're going to get seagulls tooThen you can catch them, fry them in boiling blood, and use them as incentives to your slaves
>>97584112Don't you mean feed your slaves?
>>97584304slaves are sustained by magic in naggorand so giving them a meal is a luxury for the slaves
>>97584304it's not meant to be food, no
>>97583109Fuck yeah you are. Go fuck a slav in an Adidas tracksuit and get it out of your system.
>>97583292Pastebin Anon I summon thee!
>>97583109Slav women are hell fren don't get silly ideas
>>97583601Any help lads?
>>97582053WHFB wants to become a @@1 simulator too badly
>>97584733They're great until they hit about 50 then the Babushka Bomb happens.
>>97583961Feed the slaves?Anon, dark elves are edgy to the point of comedy. They probably work the slaves to death and eat them, and each other.
It's a 'shame' they nerfed the lore bonus for dark magic, the multi hit effect was cool, though I guess you could still have it if you don't have any dark pacts.I'm also sad about no PC rules, but not surprised.
>>97584793yeah but I think including rules for dark elf spy PCs would have taken up a lot of space for what is basically a gimmick character like Alpha legion characters ended up being in Deathwatch.It's interesting that it's a 5e book we're getting splats before we even get the core rulebook.
>>97584775Eh Dark Elves aren't Skaven. They value their slaves for their labour, for bodies to torture and sacrifice etc. Maybe they'll probably waste a few in gladitorial combats to the death. They're not just letting them starve to death though, a bit chunk of their economy is based on slave labour and its outputs.
>>97584889>They valuelmao
>>97584925You sir are applying your own value logic, rather than what a Dark Elf would 'value'. They don't value the life, they value the output. If they're dead they're not outputting, unless the final output is enough to justify the death - i.e. a great gladiatorial combat.I suspect you're 10 years old and have yet to grasp complex concepts.
So what are you working on now? I've progressed with the rebasing of my knights. Need to add flock and Tufts tomorrow.
>>97584974Still working on my meat
>>97583529>>97583531>Shrine of slanneshIs this from the Elfslayer book or something?
>>97584810I feel the main issue with dark elf spy PC's is that the game is usually written from the idea that the players are unlikely to be high enough level to have a druchi involved (though I do sometimes wish we got an adventure explicitly about high level PCs)>It's interesting that it's a 5e book we're getting splats before we even get the core rulebook.I was wondering what the armour toughness thing was, I guess time will tell
Looking for the new Temple of Spite
>>97585146Seems like it's somewhere on the water bro
>>97584974Assembling some Centigors before I resume painting some more Gors
>>97583652This is the dumbest thing I've seen in awhile, why is the flag so big in relation to the castle? How do they even hoist something that large?
>>97585192You're overstimating the size of the structure, look at the elves elving the bolt throwers
>>97584990yeah the calculation for armour has changed in 5e.
>>97585192in WFRP >>97583599 It's called a howdeh, so it's just a pretty-looking tent made by ecctrentics than not a permanent structure so that why it looks like that
>>97585227"howdeh?!"
>>97585258no
>>97584810Though now I think on it, you have the rules for character creation stats, so you COULD play a dark elf who is legitimately isolated and on the run with like some points in Druhir and maybe a keepsake/weapon they could pass off as a trophy, though it'd require a talk with the DM since that shit will have some major hooks in it.Since with just the character creation stuff it'd be minor background fluff for many campaigns.
Its beastieboys time
>>97585365Ayyy glad your MTO came in, on the other hand this probably means my chaos sorcerer is like 5 months away.
>>97585365Raaroo fellow goatbro
>tq Wood Elves, especially if the new model rumors turn out to be true
>>97585384My metal sorc came 2 or 3 weeks ago. I'm guessing they had some on hand at the start if yours is taking that long
>>97583578>not every quirk of the rules is a mechanical identity you retardWhat do you think mechanical identity is dumbass? Its their rules expression. WoC have armor as part of their mechanical identity because they have always had good armor. They have strong characters as part of their mechanical identity because they have always had strong combat lords. Empire has always had the "strongest" cannons, therefore it has strong cannons as part of its mechanical identity.
>>97585979>>97583352>You're running in circles, justifying the idea that the empire should have better cannons with the fact that the rules gave them better cannons.
>>97585227Its called a howdah, but its clearly a fortified structure, its described as almost a manor/keep or something. Its name is likely to do with the fact that its mounted on the back of a beast, rather than its size.>>97585192>How do they even hoist something that large?Get slaves to pull on lots of rope I guess.
>>97582053Are the rulebooks basically useless now with how many faqs/rewrites they have? Coming back after a break and was thinking about getting the books instead of just having pdfs, but after looking at the page count for the changes I'm not so sure...
>>97585986I am explaining mechanical identity to someone that clearly does not understand it. The empire has had "the best cannons" as its mechanical identity since forever, that is what the faction does. Your personal gripes with it are irrelevant as far as "this is what the faction is designed to do" is.
>>97582335Got them shaded up and only have the red layering and highlights left…
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>>97584974Working my way through the WoC battalion box and I've started on the chaos knightsGot a new phone that has a halfway decent camera so here's my first champion
>>97584956Lol
I think Empire cannons are great.
Experimenting with making an over the top Tzeentch banner.Definitely need to make the pole larger but how's the concept?
>>97586162I like it, I just fear for it snapping off if you're taking it somewhereWhat colours are you thinking?
>>97584956Warhammer ain’t that deep bro.
>>97584974Wagh
>>97586162Very cool, but I would suggest replacing the staff with a brass rod for strength.
>>97586190lukkin proppa killy
>>97583601>>97584745Just got off work, lemme get back to you in a bit.
>>97586010
My warband may have been blown to smithereens before they could even strike a single blow in melee, but let it be known to all who care to hear it that on this day, Dehumanizer, mighty daemon prince, slew many Cathayans and lived to tell the tale.
>>97586484This image is funny as fuck.
>>97586190They look great anon.>>97586484Fugg those Shugengens are big
>>97586484>old man yells at a dragon
>>97586484Soul vs Corposlop
>>97586241fixed
>>97586170>>97586200Cool, ty anonsI have an assortment of rods and pipe. It is very top heavy and would definitely break at some point so that will be the next step
>>97586161Amazing looking army, this pic is cool as hell too. But I have to say, it makes me realize how fucking RETARDED gw™ is for swapping them over to 25mm bases. It looks ridiculous for a BLOCK of halberd or pike to be so spaced out. They should be crammed so close shoulder to shoulder that the enemy has no choice but to get skewered on a wall of sharp points. The way they are so spaced out it makes them damn useless because enemy with hand weapons can easily get within their ranks and cut them down at close range where the pole arms aren't effective It really is a shame GW did that, and for what? So you can rank up and play with AoS Daetherattle Skaelingtons™ instead of kino 2008 skellies?
>>97586620It was done specifically to spite you
>>97586615There is no Australia in Fantasy/TOW
>>97583601>>97586236I'd go with squig herd or squig hoppers over the trolls. But if all you want to do is hold off a unit of cavalry, fanatics and a unit of night gobbos would do that well too. Trolls tend to work better as an anvil than a hammer. Simply because existing in a central spot is something they can reliably do, rather than charge an opponent.What's your general doing? Where he is in the party matters a lot too.
>>97586620That sallet helmet on his hip is so sexy. It really is an underutilized helmet design in fantasy. The HRE and Swiss influence on the Empire is one of my favorite aspects of whf, because it gives Warhammer humans a very unique flavor compared to generic fantasy humans. For those wondering, that's yellow flag behind him with a black bull head (actually an Aurochs) behind him is the flag of the canton of Uri in the Old Swiss Confederacy, the capitol city of which is called ALTDORF
>>97583455If they are using actual artillery shells then they shouldn't get the cannon bounce rule, they should be direct fire stone throwers essentially. And if you are under the hole you take S10 d6 wounds or some shit.
>>97586716I would accept dwarfen cannons just getting 2d3 damage instead of d6. That would make them a lot better.
>>97586620How come soldiers of history looked so cool and manly but modern soldiers looks so faggy
>>97586728Hey! Can you help me identify this Perry dwarf sculpt? Thanks :D
Looks like he's back from his ban to spam more hist shit
>>97586754Yup. Just ignore and report him. Not much more we can do
>>97586767Report for what, exactly? What post is breaking the rules, moron
>>97586749kek, basedTOWfurries on suicide watch
>>97586749I'm not getting the inside joke here. Why is Charlton Heston pasted over this mini?
>>97586010Good progress>>97586113Looks entirely menacing, though good luck ranking them up- a friend of mine has done it and it requires specific ordering haha.>>97586484Nice anon, that’s some bitter sweetness.Did you max out on anti shooting/flying banners? Combine that with screens of wardogs to protect your valuable blocks for an extra turn.Do you think msu forsaken would give him more pause? Like 3 units of 5 gives more targets, and they can be fairly quick Since slaanesh gives em swiftstrideLastly I posted these last thread just before the thread died, but finished these 2. The red armoured one is specifically for the stormvermin who have a similiar armour colour.
I really hope they redo the Cathayan longma.
>>97587267Longma balls lmao gottem
Why don’t we play opr?
>>97587723Because the rules writer doesn't have much of a direction and the most vocal part of the community is full of tournament fags who want the game to be as bland and "fair" as possible whilst removing all semblance of flavour in the process. They're also reducing unit options and variety to fit with their own line of STLs.They're commiting every GW sin without much to make for it. Older versions are kino, though.
>>97587723The 3.5 update shat the bed with unnecessary amount of special rules. I dislike how elite infantry are capped at units of 10 for aesthetic reasons. The lack of morale rules, command friction and charge reactions are also drawbacks in my opinion.
This old metal model is kino
How does this pricing make any sense?
>>97586703My general is an orc big boss with the +1 toughness armour with 4+ save. He will be in a 20 orc block of big uns. Good to know the roll of trolls, I had initially planned to use them as a countercharge unit but sounds like they are better off defensively.
>>97586628there are also no fantasy/tow models in that photo
>>97586177If you think that's deep bro, I worry for you.
Temple of Spite pdf anyone?
>>97587884I took a gander at GW prices and how can they justify them? How are you gonna get new blood in when the entry cost is absurdly high?>>97586620>25mm basesJustification was for them to be easier to rank. Though I call bs, since all the new models they released for ToW have thse wide stances and poses even for a 25 mm base
>>97587884>>97588086They're metal and metal is absurdly expensive now from gw. If you want a good laugh check out the wood elf beastmaster dude.
>>97588115Its not only the metal thats expensive, even the plastic is way overpriced
>>97588135Metal is on a whole different level though. I think per model a lot of the plastic is actually cheaper than 10 years ago if you factor in inflation, though they now sell them per two in boxes which can be annoying.That being said I buu most of my shit secondhand anyway, with a bit of patience you'd be surprised how much money you can save.
>>97585293There's enough to reverse engineer the careers, especially if you used some of the High Elf ones as a base.Papering Sorceress over Mage can't be that hard, just need to swap out the high magic for dark magic and trade out a few other talents.
Question for WFRP players/GMs:Are there any rules for Wood Elves magic? Since they use corrupting magic sometimes, I'd love to dive into this. One of my players is having fun with his WE Hunter but he'd like to dabble in magic and the existing rules that I know of seem to be missing WE specificities.I understand WE are the unloved children of WFRP.The damn Dark Elves got their own book before them it seems. Very nice book by the way, just came out, a good read if you want to make a campaign on a Dark Ark.
>>97588197I can't think of any magic rules for WE. I think the HE player guide covers give some points about the distinction between He and WE high magic so it might be worth a look, but nothing on spells of athel loren
>>97586161What Statetroop model is that?
I want to run a TTRPG campaign based on Estalian sailors exploring around the world based on the Spanish Golden Age. A lot of those far-off colonies have basically no lore, what are some interesting ideas (canon or homebrew) to throw in?
>>97588302Looks to be a conversion using greatsword models.
>>97588305Menfish
I'm so mad they made this new tiger character a foid.
>>97586162While I like the idea I'm not sure about your current execution of it. As the other anon said, that pole is likely to snap off sooner or later so replacing it with some brass seems wise. However, to me it looks far too skinny. As such if I were you I'd probably try to replace the pole entirely with a large elongated mutated arm that holds the brazier in the palm of the hand, or alternatively reinforce (and chunkify) the pole you're using by having the standard bearer grip it by having his long elongated (but not otherwise much broader than normal) arm curl around it in an almost snakelike fashion.
>>97587264Nice job anon, love the little warpstone puddles on the bases
>>97588305failed colonies filled with Cannibal ghoulsMenfish or Fishmensecret entrances to the some underground sea like the one under NaggorathEstalia has a pirate problem on its southeast coast, so doing a Barbary pirates type of adventure could work that's what the BL book Fell Cargo was kinda about
>>97588318>>97588302I'm almost certain those are 3d printed. I think they are Highlands minis Sunland spearmen.
>>97588380I'm setting it 50-100 years after a failed End Times to allow some new developments, full-scale conquistador activities in Lustria will definitely be a feature maybe at higher levels. I think a conquest of the Amazons would be an interesting historical parallel, or set it post-conquest and introduce syncretic religions inspired by voodoo and folk Catholicism like Santa Muerte. The beginning I am setting in Estalia and then going East to contest the equivalent of the East Indies against various naval forces, and home-brewing weird cultures and races there
manfish
>>97588505idk I think it's more likely a sea spite, like what we see with the High elves and Wood elve,s also matches the art of Spirites/spites C7 has made
>>97588505These bastards had an underwater empire spanning from Lustria to the Old WorldI seem to remember their malevolent deities are pre-Old Ones (and therefore pre-Chaos) but I can't remember where I read that
Guys, what will you do when GW eventually removes the Legacy factions, completely off TOW?
>>97588305Some treasure the lizardmen are guarding not because its theirs/contains the Old Ones instructions in one of the golden plaques, but because its cursed as all get out However the colonists have only heard about a legendary treasure pile, so off they go to try and take it
>>97588540I'll play different games with my miniatures then.
>>97588505say what?
>>97588540play homebrews
>>97588540Laugh at TOW cucks while I continue playing 6th edition
>>97588542This will absolutely happen, the greed of the conquistadors and cursed gold will definitely be recurring.For all those saying Manfish, I was thinking of making the Pacific be full of new races or factions, including probes into the far side of Naggaroth and the Underworld Sea. Fishmen being the hidden denizens of the Underworld Sea might be a good place to fit them
>>97588540I’ll chop my balls off so I can play Cathay instead
>>97588505it's like the incestuous child between a deep one and a xenomorph
>>97588580There are also Lizardmen species that live underground, called Troglodytes so that is another race you can use
>>97588305>what are some interesting ideas (canon or homebrew) to throw in?they follow a map taken from an eastern trader that shows a shortcut to lustria that avoids elven patrols, they follow the route and reach the continent, ready to get rich on the gold and spices of that landexcept the map was saying lumbria, not lustria and their assumptions of it being just a copying error get proven wrong when they discover that the jungle is tainted by dark magic and ruled over by apemen demonologists and their voodoo zombies
>>97588540What's the deal with "influencers" and how did it become the standard practice to make the thumbnail on every video a picture of your face making a retarded and ridiculous expression? Seriously, like every wannabe influencer does this. Surely this isn't actually increasing traffic? It makes me want to click the video LESS
>>97588414I take it that you'll be making Santa Magritta something of a central hub for New World expeditions? It's right there at the mouth of the Amaxon, and while presently it's described as a poor colony barely treading water through aid from the motherland, if you're jumping forward a whole century then that's the perfect chance to turn it into a well established settlement for Old Worlders without the indignity of having to endure Skeggi.All of this to say, you'd have no end of norscan harassment and and plots as grudge against Estalians for bringing actual competition to their main source of income.
>>97588762They wouldn't do it if it didn't work. Apparently it makes YouTube more likely to suggest the video.
>>97588762>Surely this isn't actually increasing traffic?if it's not increasing traffic because it's attracting clicks, it's increasing favourability to the nebulous algorithm
>>97588762You forget the HUGE effect that adding ALLCAPS to the title for emphasis has in the obnoxiousness scale.
>>97588807I don't think all caps is obnoxious when it's not paired with normal text to give emphasis to it
>>97588779The algorithm likes it because it increases clicks. My personal hypothesis is that teens are predisposed to highly emoting faces due to the empathy bits in their brains finally starting to mature, compare it to a teething baby's itching gums.
>>97576638thanks for the perspective. just find it odd like it made like zero impact.I like the high level idea of a simpler, but not so simple that its a bare bones, rpg compared to WFRPG, but I can see why it could seem redundant. THis is also cause of my autism, but I also think its neat cause its dice resolution system parrelels real well with that of the Wargame Oathmark, which I like as a more generic version of WFB.
The rebasing operation continues. It went a lot smoother because I realized that you can peel off the MDF bases if you stab them from the side with a hobby knife. Reduces breakage and allowed for easier miniature removal.
>>97588831I do.
>>97589028If TOWRPGs' system interests you should give it a go. It does do some interesting things, like the magic system, or how Corruption is a player choice rather than forced onto them, but other choices are rather odd, like the Grim portents or the Divine magic system changes.i do think it being so focused on one town is to its detriment though
>>97589095>Corruption is a player choice rather than forced onto themGAY AS FUCKING HELL
>>97589032>Spending time and effort to put them on worse/uglier bases I hate 25mm slop so much. I do like the thin MDF compared to thick GW bases though
>>97589180>25mm
>>97589109I think it works, but it's also really different from WFRP it's more about getting a taste of currpotion and then the player gets the choice of going down the rabbit hole to get really chaotic
>>97589202What now, schizo?
>>97587264Funnily enough, no, I didn't take any anti-shooting banners, and it was the correct decision in hindsight. My opponent hadn't brought two cannons and one rocket launcher, which completely bypass those anti-shooting banners. The two hot air balloons he brought mostly just shot at my daemon prince and only managed to inflict a single wound on him before he got stuck in thanks to his frankly obscene 5+/4++/5+++ saves. The cannons and rocket launcher, however, just evaporated my chaos warriors and no amount of screening could stop that because the sky lanterns give their LoS to the cannons. Fun! Oh yeah, one of his cannons blew up my chariot on turn 1. I didn't appreciate that. Also, why in the name of God does Cathay get access to high magic? That drain magic spell is incredibly annoying.With regards to buying more models to have more screens, I know that that's a good idea. However, I am bound by the rules I set for myself, so I can only collect era-appropriate models and that means if I want more forsaken I have to get more 5th ed warriors and either more mutation sprues or some greenstuff! Dogs are just too expensive, I can't be bothered to pay obscene amounts of money for what will ultimately wind up being just a few more bulletcatchers. I'd rather spend that cash on something cool, like bits and pieces here and there to make the ultimate chaos lord on a dragon! Or some metal chaos warriors/champions from the RoC days to make a really cool unit of chosen warriors. Or more knights, five knights just isn't enough knights. Or I'll give up on TOW and start collecting daemons again. Who knows?Also, if anyone was considering taking a daemon prince, I highly recommend it. Sure, you're obliged to take the ogre blade, the armour of meteoric iron, and the extra arm chaos gift, but I can assure you that a properly equipped daemon prince will just annihilate anything he touches. Might even be better than a chaos lord on a dragon!
>>97588540I imagine the community will promptly port them over anyway
>>97589301What community? I can barely get people to paint their minis in my LGs.
>>9758918025mm is a huge QoL improvement. It only arguably looks worse for goblins and clanrats. I was gonna add state troops too but these look like shit on 20mm too so not having to worry about them ranking up is a plus.
>>97589237Chaos warriors have been in 25mm bases for the longest time, ToW changed them to 30mm.
I'm playing HE more and more in TOW. Why would you ever want shades in a world where sisters of avelorn exist? Models are cool, but I can't justify painting them when they're a worse version of magic bows
>>97589301>communityLmfao the same community that refuses to do any narrative play on non tournament legal terrain? The community that blows a gasket when you suggest using proxies instead of Official Games Workshop® licensed products™? Yeah bro.. these faggots are gonna totally let you play a faction with made up rules
>>97589366>The community that blows a gasket when you suggest using proxies instead of Official Games Workshop® licensed products™?that only happens to shorter than average manlets
Orcs be orcing!
>>97589366You're using /40kg/ shitposts in /wfg/, do you understand that?
>>97588540Man i loathe that commie jew rat so much
>>97589424Isn't he a landlord who just kicked out an independent caster from his property?If so he's not much of a commie, give him a decad,e and we will end up voting Tory or Reform
>>97589440He just came out in support of Restore Britain
>>97589452seems unlikely
>>97589469I'm talking about myself
>>97589491oh fair enough then, but you don't go ona podcast about models about how you should never trust a right-winger
>>97589366You are simply not describing the Fantasy community right now.
>>97589335Shadow Warriors ?(I don't know)
>>97589366Why are you so SHORT tempered? Are you upset because you’ve fallen SHORT of expectations? Or perhaps because you’re SHORT sighted hehe
>>97589366Have you ever considered that people might not want to play like that with you because you're a cunt?
>>97584810>We're getting splats before rulebookCome again? Have I missed something?
>>97589704This may surprise you but I'm very well loved and memorable everywhere I go, due to my masculine physique and rare profession, my endearing and unique mannerisms and sense of humor , and my outspoken strongly held eccentric far right opinions and convictions. I get a bad rep on here because I try to hold you to a standard and this community specifically has zero standards, so recoils at the idea
>>97588540>rob the honest slumlord
>>97589731So the Dark Elf book that came out yesterday is for 5e WFRP, not 4e but the core rulebook for 5e hasn't been released yet, so we are getting supplements or Splats for 5e before the core rules are even out.really the only noticeable difference seems to be that armour in stats is calculated differently than 4e and the pages are a different colour, and they have 2e style border art on them compared to 4e books
>>97589735sorry, can you repeat that? the screen doesn't go lower than this
>>97589735>manlet>masculine Maybe you're loved by gay men.
>>97588540>thinking anything GW does will deter people who played an actual dead game for 10 years lol. lmao
>>97589401Lovely army anon..love the goofy troll there in the back and cute banner for the boyz.
>>97589761Huh. I skimmed through that book last night and did not even notice lmao. I thought it was like the last gasp for 4th ed. I'll have a look at the armour pages. It's a testament to their compatibility of the 2 systems if I couldn't tell.
>>97589735Yeah, I suppose seeing a real life midget waddling about the local cruising spots must be pretty memorable.
>>97587857Surprised he scales so well.
>>97589843C7 have seid every book from 4e is meant to still be useful in 5e constantly and outside of issues like Advantage and casting 4e didn't really have major issues. I guess it wasn't a very killy edition compared to 1e or 2e, which maybe 5e fixes.The Core rulebook was meant to come out in 2025 but hasn't yet for whatever reason
>>97589869Yeah I heard about the compatibility wish. Just impressed they pulled it off so well (so far).I'd argue combat is lethal enough if you use the Up in Arms Critical Wounds/Death rules.
>>97589916At least post it uncensored next time Mr blue balls.
>>97589916>says he's masculine>posts the gayest photo on earth>doesn't even try to deny the manlet accusations anymoreyeah, you're butthurt
>>97589735I actually enjoyed the perryanon trolls and seething that it causes (I have and will continue to false flag as perryanon to cause butthurt) but this post is too gay to support
>>97589916Haters post body now (you wont)
>>97589401> Seems nice and well apint-> An AOS MODELFUCKING DISGUSTING KILL YOURSELF
>>97589735It's not entertaining when you play your hand too hard and make it obvious you're just trollingI have to believe you believe what you're saying for it to work
>>97589999there are 2 aos models there
Perryfag is based desu
>>97588540How do these jokers even know GeeDubz is dropping support?
>>97589916How does it feel knowing you will always be looked down upon (literally) by grown men.
>>97590102they don't, it's pure clickbait, like 99% of warhammer videos that are not paint tutorials or battle reports
>>97589916thought i was on my /hm/ tab desu why do u do this here
>>97589999Aos models are just better
>>97590111Okay, thats what i figured. Theres alot of free money on the table with legacy factions... GW would have to be brain dead to neglect it
>>97590129We have info from rumor mongers that states the Legacy decision was already being reconsidered at GW like a year ago. Not in this edition but in the next we can potentially expect Legacies to slowly return
>>97590146Gigacope
>>97589916Never ever beating the diminutive gay retard allegations.
>Perrymanlet crashoutVery SHORTsighted to post pictures of yourself here.
How do /YourDudes/ deal with the local beastmen herds where they live/currently occupy? Are they best buds, mortal enemies, indifferent, etc?
>>97590188Depending on their hunger level, they kill them to eat or ignore them unless they are bothering them.
>>97590199Got any pics of your fat bastards?
How degenerate would it be to make an exalted champion on a daemonic mount my BSB and give him the war banner? He'd have 2 static CR and would also be able to take magic items to make him real killy or real durable. He might even be able to act as a pseudo-daemon prince, what with the 360* charge arc, how many wounds he'd have, and the amount of damage he could put out paired with the obscene saves he could get (4+/5++/5+++ with relative ease).
>>97586484Can I see more Dehumanizer please
>>97590277Here you go. Do pardon the bad lighting and angle, photographing this dude is pretty hard. I used a citadel chimera and one of the heavy weapon chaos renegades to make this monstrosity. Do note that he doesn't have a backpack because I didn't have one on hand. If I get bored of using him as a daemon prince or people get mad about him not looking like a proper daemon prince I'll just run him as a chaos lord on a daemonic mount. If only daemonic mounts could get an upgrade that gave them wings! That would be fun.
>>97590184Is so humorous to me you had to latch onto this short-term cope, because you know I MOG you in ever conceivable metric: Grindr matches, attractiveness to gay pedophiles, I scored top of my class in the Autism Spectrum Quotient test, and have the ability to give a man fellatio from a standing position. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of gay midgets across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the day of the squeak, bigger. The storm in a teacup that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, bigger. I can be anywhere, hiding behind wargaming terrain and in kitchen cabinets, and I can bring a man to orgasm in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I severely intellectually disabled, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the LGBT community and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your far off the floor ass off the face of the continent, you overgrown shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. My teeth will unleash fury all over your ankles and you will fucking perish from the ensuing HIV. You're fucking dead, bigger... LMAO
>>97590316Top lelPerryanon you gotta respond to this chief
>>97590316>biggermy sides
>>97590119> AoS is just betterBased and correct cuck squarelets are malding over this
>>97589760QRD
>>97588540I didn't fall for the legacy meme so probably nothing
>>97588540Play older editions? Its not like GW is forcing you to play the current edition
>>97590384He went on his own podcast and started bragging about how he made a small miniature company renting a space from him he wanted to use for something else leave by consistently making them feel unwelcome and physically threatened on the premises.So not only is he a cunt of spectacular proportions but a drooling idiot with no self awareness.
>>97590188Considering I'm the one playing the all beastwomen army, coin flip on best friends with benefits and kill on sight.
>>97590316this really explains the vitriol towards bigger miniatures
>>97590316
>>97590524Understandable that he hates scale creep, considering he's been experiencing scale creep his entire life.
Can't you niggers just act normal for once? This place has become just another /40kg/
>>97590715Making him crashout and get banned is how this place returns itself to normal. Now we have peace for at least a day.
>>97590715Blame perryschizo. Dude simply cannot just ignore perryfag and has to make every single general some weird, obsessive witch-hunt about him. Every general, endless seething about perryfag. It's genuinely weird how you can be so obsessed with an anonymous stranger on the internet. In a thread about plastic toys.>>97590723Get a life retard. You're literally the only person who cares about perryfag. You're way, way more annoying than he has ever been.
>>97590754Don't you have any agency?
In other news, I'll fight some lizardmen with my greenskins tommorow. My big spider will be on the table
>>97583531dark elves ships are so cool
>>97590723it's an efficient method
>>97590808That’s an insanely cool looking spider. Can you post some higher res photos of it please?
>>97590883I don't have any, but I'll try to get some cool shots from tommorow battle. She laid some eggs tho
>>97590808Fuck yeah. Let us know. I remember the arachnarok always performing perfectly mid in older editions. Never really disappointed, never really shined. Would like to hear how it does in tow
>>97590908God damn do I want a forest goblin splat book. Make em little Vietnamese jungle fighters with tunnels and giant insects and shit.
>>97590859Fuck thats a weaponized mossasaurus. So cool.
Kislev should get furries too.
>>97590859Dark elves are so lame I genuinely can't take them seriously.
>>97590995But you can take High Elves and Wood Elves seriously?
>>97583529I like that they didnt underplay just how insanely massive black arks are. There is a reason entire fleets crap themselves at the idea there might be one nearby. Its a town floating towards you with malicious intent.
>>97590908Those also look fantastic. >>97590969Me too, we have a chance with the spiders being quietly phased out of AoS.
>>97590995You're not meant to take anything in warhammer seriously
>>97591112I dont know if this is a pithy response or serious. But I disagree. The fun of warhammer comes precisely from taking it seriously. This doesent mean "complaining that a steam tank cant realistically function in any way, or that hitting a flying monster with field artillery is beyond retarded/impossible (lmao trying to aim a fucking trebuchet at a moving target)", it means that you take those things seriously despite the fact that theyre outlandish or fantastical. Warhammer is at its best - as a setting, wargame or simply hobby experience - when you allow yourself to buy into the premise and engage with it on its terms, when you take the fact that theres a ship being pulled by captive sea monsters seriously, when you engage with how horrifying a concept that is to face rather than wondering "but how do they actually control the captive sea monster" or how the hull isnt sufficiently aquadynamic or whatever.
>>97591134NTA but I agree with this take.
>>97590188Something I always wondered, do orcs and goblins have blacksmiths of some form? Say orcs who forge gud proppa killy bits or the best armourz.
>>97591134Nigga it aint a deep setting.
>>97591134>and engage with it on its termswhich are distinctly not serious terms, if you ask me, there's an inherent requirement for the rule of cool or rule of funso we agree on the approach, but not on the definition of seriousness
>>97591163Goblins do construction stuff. They build the doom diver stuff and anything wooden. They're clever enough to make plans and ideas. I can see metal work being done in the 40k way that some orcs are just instinctual Smiths.
>>97591134I have no problem engaging with the sillier parts of the setting, in fact it's one of my favourite parts about it, but i's the grimderp stuff (like dark elves) that I just can't be bothered with. Or when they made bretonnia all "and the peasants have to pay 9/10ths of their harvest as taxes! They get executed for looking at their lord's favourite horse!" meme.Also why I don't really like 40k all that much.
>>97591208yeah I kinda have the same deal with dwarves, they're just retarded.
>>97591163I think they mostly do things themselves, save for when they clobber a lowlier git to craft basic things for them they can't be bothered to do themselves even if they can, or when they get a shaman to enhance or help with the making of something aos gave them a smith though, even though they had already established they do not shape their armour by forging
>>97584974Putting crew on my wagon
>>97591197Ya the journal mentions rudimentary camp making by gobbos but not much about smithing or weapon/armour forging. Was curious, would be a fun orc character or set of them competing to make the best stuff.
>>97591244There is a conceivable argument that some or even most black orcs do smith work. They would have been forced to learn how to maintain their equipment after all.
>>97591229Are you the guy who always gets annoyed about how new ardboys fundamentally break some lore about ironjawz or whatever
>>97591350don't think so
>>97591243Nice anon.Where are the prints from?
>>97591523All the infantry are the sunland dudes from highland miniatures. The wagon is from me.
Extremely shitty photo, but finally got 500 points of Dwarfs done. Getting to 750 should be pretty easy since I'm only really adding a small unit of Longbeards
>>97592096Kino. Are those prints or third party sculpts? One thing that stops me from buying the dwarfs is the range differences. It’s more glaring than in other ranges imo. I wish they just sold all the old metal 4/5th edition dwarfs. But they are hellishly expensive on eBay.
>>97592167Highland Miniatures prints
>>97588540 I’ll continue playing 6th.And lament gw’s dumbness as tow has been a fun edition.I’ll probably jump forward to play tow (current version)occasionally. But it’s no big deal >>97590188Glad you finished those minis beast friend, my guys would simply eat them.>>97590808Good luck anon. Hope she does good things for you>>97591243At long last. It’s the home run now anon.>>97592096The shield runes look lovely.
>>97588160Quick and dirty attempt to see how it kludges together. Can't do a strict 1:1 with the book templates, too few skills/talents at each level.
>>97592421Forgot image, 4head.
>>97589292Reasonable anon, that does make things more difficult. What about something that had no 5th analogue-to my knowledge(which to be fair is very spotty as I started in 6th) a gigantic chaos spawn. Would it not be in theme to create your own monstrosity?Crunchwise they are very good. And an excellent modelling opportunity. Why not make 2 if you really want to turn the tide.Demon princes rock of course, my 2 chaos opponents adore them and use them every time. - basically a player avatar honestly.One does like you, but the other prefers the always strikes last in combat powerBiting blade(if he’s lucky) and a nice magical armour. as it lets his chaos greatweapons hit first in the combat the dp just hit the side of)Anyway good luck!
>>97592291They look really good.>>97592302The mood lighting is 10/10
>>97588367Thank you anon, it’s the theme for all my rats. Really it looks nice and is easy to do in batch. I am rarely a hyper detailed base person. Something I admit which is a flaw
>>97591134>>97591208I enjoy the dark elves' shameless sadism and edginess, and I don't want the fun to stop, but sometimes I do wish to see what actually passes for a social contract that makes Naggaroth a semi-functional civilization that can actually sustain itself. At times it really feels like we're supposed to think the dark elves work on Dark Eldar logic and that Naggaroth, much like Commorragh, continues to exist without collapsing solely out of sheer inertia and the power of edge. Supposedly, their lowborn society ought to look similar to humans' but with more cloak and dagger stuff, but we hardly get to see it feels like it doesn't actually exist.
>40kFuck off
>>97592649For a second I thought that tape-measurer was a not!Stargate terrain piece
>>97591163Isnt that the same Harboth from 3rd edition?>>97590188>DwarfsProbably see another threat to deal with/dont bother going into the woods>DoWProbably have to clear them out to ensure the trade routes are safe enough. Or act as escorts for the merchants
>>97572617Carnac you’ve been posting these same pictures for like 5 years now. You are a gross brown tranny in real life.
Big happening right now! Local whfb tournament!
>>97594110the dude in the grey shirt has a really tiny head
Table done, 1500pts of lizardmen vs greenskins (me). It's suposed to be set in bretonnia.My cardboard fields became weavy a while ago because of humidity and I just realised it today, so I'll press them later, but it will do for today. I'll be back in a couple of hours if there are some cool shots
>>97588305To follow up on this, if you have any ideas for new beasts and monsters to be found on unknown islands far to the East, or the unexplored West or Naggaroth and Lustria, feel free to share
Played a 500 Battle March game against my Cathay friend. He had two units of 5 Jade Lancers and around 16 Jade Infantry with a Gate Master with Giant Blade. I had two blocks of 19 orc boyz, full command, 6 big un boars with boss and 10 arrer boyz. My general was Orc Big Boss with Great Weapon and Light armour.Boar boyz were mvp, ramming into the infantry and the unit Boss, Grotfang, KILLED the Gatemaster in a challemge before being hit back! The jade lancers ran in and killed the arrer boyz, breakimg them and reforming. The other jade lancers reformed to face the side of the boar boyz.Eventually, the infantry was grinded down, broke and fled, being run down horribly by the boars. Snagrog and his block of boyz, managed a flank charge on the jade lancers with boars dping a rear one.The other block of boyz broke the jade lancers who killed the arrers. They ran and were quickly forced off the board.The Boars and Big Boss Snagrog's units killed 4/5 of the lancers, forcing a break and ran them down. ORC VICTORY!! WAAAAGGGHH
>>97590188Useful tools for the Dark Gods, but the lowliest of the low. Culled once they have outlived their usefulness. They make fine sport for our warriors.
>>97584974Started working on these. I liked how quick they were to build, but getting the arms to stick on those tiny little pegs was a fucking ballache. I can tell they're going to look good done, but are also going to be a fucking pig to paint.
Now that I'm nearly done rebasing some more warriors and my Daemon prince, I should think of a list to play them with. Is it too unreliable to wield a block of chaos chosen with dual hand weapons and try to maneuver them around the battlefield with steed of shadows?
>>97594723Probably but I like the notion of it with Battle Hunger, Banner of Wrath and the Taskmaster's Scourge.
>>97594787That's over a quarter of the army's points. Is it worth the investment?
>>97594723Shield is better3+ against shootingYou keep the -1 AP which is going to be more relevant than another attack most of the timeThe +2 Init boon for using a HW for Init 6 is hilarious
>>97590129>Theres alot of free money on the table with legacy factionssome of the armies I suspect will stay legacy for a while, like lizzies and skaven because of of similar the AOS aesthetics are to TOW's, while beastmen, Vamps (not to mention vampire coast) and Ogres are different enough that there's room enough to work with.Not to mention all the possible new factions they could add, and if my theory of them expanding on eastern lore is true there's a LOT of unbroken ground they could use
>>97595106>eastern lore is true there's a LOT of unbroken ground they could use>>97590969Please god. South east asian ambush goblins.
>>97595106>beastmenAnon those are a core faction...
>>97595098But I assembled 30 warriors with dual hand weapons... The way ensorcelled weapons work is kinda silly, because it makes dual hand weapons a worse choice for infantry.
>>97594723Speaking from personal experience, both chosen warriors and additional hand weapons are not good. They're quite bad, actually. Chosen warriors got screwed over by the implementation of the parry save & fighting in an extra rank when you get charged and striking at AP0 is awful and is in no way worth the extra attack. Also, as another anon already stated, Enhanced Reflexes is objectively overpowered and makes taking anything that isn't hand weapon and shield on warriors a very bad idea.Finally, do not rely on Steed of Shadows. That spell, despite being very powerful, is hot garbage because almost every army in the game has a way to fuck over your casting now and it's generally not reliable at all. Yes, it can give your warrior deathstar three turns of movement with a single cast. No, even with a Tzeentch bunker, one of the +1 to cast magic items, and a power scroll, you still won't always cast it reliably. Should you still take it? Yeah, of course, but always make sure you have a backup plan.
>>97595359WYSIWYG is a 40k-ism, it has no place in Fantasy. Just tell your opponent they're using shields or halberds or great weapons or whatever you want them to have.
>>97595401It's fine for small skirmish games like Mordheim , but it's unfair to expect WYSIWYG to be the norm in armies with 100+ models
>>97595359I did the same thing with my Minos, sucks
>>97595394Thanks, so what's the role of magic in warriors of chaos list? Should I take a level 4 daemon prince and a level 2 sorcerer for magic, or is it too many points to sink in something so unreliable? I've got the following models in my collection:20 chaos knights60 chaos warriors40 chaos marauders13 dragon ogres2 chimeras 1 foot lord1 foot sorcerer1 daemon prince with wingsSpamming daemon ogres doesn't seem too fun for my opponent, nor do I want to buy a lord on dragon. A manticore lord could be a fun painting project.
>>97595359Thank god for Choppas. It's the way to fix all those special weapon rules. Just make it apply to all weapons on the charge.
>>97595401>>97595411every tournament i went to in 7th and 8th were WYSIWYG. I hate it so much to this day.
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>>97592980The closest we get is the malus darkblade books, which is also basically the only look at their society we areally get.
>>97595401Nah, thats dumb. WYSIWIG is cool, things should look like what they are.
>>97595590the new WFRP books do a decent job at looking at Dark Elf society as well but its focus on a single black ark does make it rather limited
Had a 600 pt Battle March (forgive my WIP Beastmen) last night. Really love how beasts play, a nice break from my Dwarfs. Definitely gonna skip ambushers next time, my Ungors sat off the board most of the game since I wasn’t running a Wargor/Beastlord. Post your games or pics of your WIPs/finished units.
>>97595620My finished Ungors not pictured for reference. Excited to have the whole army painted up like this. Working through 20 gors is a chore.
>>97595587the fuck is that thing back there?
>>97595598Counterpoint, my chaos warriors are mostly Realm of Chaos era models with varied load outs, so WYSIWYG is not a possibility
are there sunflowers in fantasy? Or is there like a compendium for unique plant life in it?
>>97595661I can't think of any direct examples of Sunflowers in WF, but most, if not all, normal earth plants seem to exist in WF, so in theory they should.As for a compendium of plants, the only one I can think of is in the Death on the Reik Companian which includes a guide to herbs to make stuff with but that only covers plants that grow in the bits of the Empire.
Played a game vs Cathay today. First time facing them. Was a pretty bloody thing in the end, although I did end up losing rather decisively.
>>97595703well Cathay, even with the errata changes is still very good, but why are your opponents' models completely unpainted, but his done all the basing for them?
>>97595703The cannon managed to snipe my sorcerer out on the approach.Shugengan engaged the knights and while he did take 3 wounds he managed to win via outnumbering (we got the rules wrong but w/e, wouldnt have mattered much) and ground them down with the MKB. The mortar did nothing. Miyao Ying did nothing.
>>97595720The cannon failed to deal with the warhounds with a truly terrible grapeshot.The shugengan and statue double teamed the exalted champion. The jade lancers got buffed with Fury of Khaine and engaged the knights. The Jade Lancers won the combat by a hair (musician vs no musician) and the knights failed LD (they also rolled like ass to hit, which didnt help). Ended up fleeing while the jades overran into the warhounds. The champ took a wound from the shugengan and dealt one back, lost combat to rear bonuses but ended up holding.In the subsequent turn the champ killed the shugengan, but took a bunch of regen wounds and ended up fleeing from the statue which caught him The lancers dealt with the dogs. Miyao Ying and her warrior blob charged the warriors, negligible damage either way (warriors all fucked their attacks on both sides) but the jades had a +7 static resolution. The jade lancers charged the knights, didnt acfually manage to finish them off but I could not for the life of me pass a LD test. >>97595716I assume hes going to prime the sand also. The bases arent painted, its just sand.
>>97595716Those bases are not fucking done at all. It looks like he just started them.
>>97595753The warpfire dragon charged in and simply deleted Miyao Ying (although he still lost that combat), but managed to hold. The warriors rallied but ended up getting double teamed in the flanks by the jade lancers and statue, they survived but fled and the lancers overran into the dragon. The dragon mangled most of the remaining lancers but lost to the +7 static res, failed LD and ended up being run down (the explosion left only 1 lancer left). So we called it a game there.Remaining forces for cathay: Jade warrior block, Sentinel, 1 Jade Lancer.Remaining forces for WoC: Marauder horsemen, half a warhound unit. Decisive cathay victory, even if I claim the moral high ground as my dragon killed his. >>97595764Yea, he just got them built and based recently and wanted to try a game out. I think he plans to paint them the "vanilla" scheme since he doesent have a green army so far.
>>97595778Also I think I may just stop running a sorcerer lord, genuinely seems useless. A level 1 sorcerer with the lore familiar for the +1A/AP demonology spell maybe, but beyond that im better off with 200pts of anything else imo. Maybe more knights.
>>97595620Working on rebasing my warriors and demon prince.
>>97595645Don't worry about it.
>>97594280I lost 335pts to 965 against those pesky lizardmen. My doomdiver catapult did numers tho, badly wounding a stegadon and killing 6 skinks in one shot. The night goblins on squigs were quite brutal
>>97595778Also the detail on the jade warriors is really something. They come with kettles and shit. Really nice models.
>>97595703>the OP greytide chinkslop army vs the dude who brings no ranked infantry in a rank and flank gamethe absolute state of tow
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>>97595882There are twelve chaos warriors in that army. Which is twelve more than you would bring in any edition other than 8th (although you probably shouldnt be bringing them in TOW either, at least with halberds)
>>97588807Those guys don't need any help being obnoxious, the first minute of their videos where they're jittering around like ADHD'ers without their meds is obnoxious enough.
