Pun edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>97582125 >Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread question:What do you call a Sylvaneth without any mouth? >All bark, no bite
>>97593789Cinema
>>97593789Absolutely baller.
>>97593789This is based.
>>97593474Well now I'm curious, what's your idea?Also not to downplay the sacrosanct squatting or anything, but stormcast are maybe the most proxyable army in the game. They've still got a massive range and trust me most people can't tell a knight castellant from a lord judicator or whatever the fuck. Again not to defend gw, I know it must've sucked if you had a large sacrosanct collection, but at the end of the day a stormcast with a hammer and shield is still a stormcast with a hammer and shield. Just run your sequitors as liberators, castigators as whatever the new bow guys are called, evocators as vanquishers, etc. Now if you really liked named characters and ballistas specifically yeah you're kind of fucked but the other 90% of the squatted stormcast are perfectly playable.
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>>97593789>>97593811kek
>>97593815Just pull the cathedral chains bro
I really like this box. I find it cute. It reminds me of the Start Collecting boxes. My only complaint is it should either cost 10EUR less from retailers (50EUR would be a fair price tag for GW shit) or come with one extra unit, maybe 10 archers. Nevertheless, it makes a nice army sampler, I may actually grab it for non-GW skirmish games.
>>97594057I was a bit confused as this seemed like a good discount at first, but then I realised it's only 10 morteks. I guess if you wanted both vokmortian and the immortis stalkers it's nice to pick up as you essentially get those 10 for ""free"", but it's not something I'm rushing out the door for y'know.
>>97593815>blah blah bhlah generic Guard bickering
>no man reads bookDick move, James.
>>97594116rob did one yesterday.
>>97593777You're fertiliser, Carlos.
Got invited to a aos tournament because a friend and I were interested in the game>every player uses angsty/edgy names instead of their own>i.e. first round, table 3, lancer vs claudius>continuous arguing between players>because of that, games drag infinitely>at least twice, two different 30 something year old dudes get rage baited and leave their games>really old dude, 50-something, keeps punching the table and literally throws his own models inside a shoes box when they get killed>game 3 we watch is our pal against a random dude>'oh fuck youre bringing X'>'yeah, you're the guy using Y?'>yup...yup>shake hands and agree on a drawPlease tell me this is not the normal behaviour. Because if it is, mtg environment looks healthy as fuck and I've seen some fucked up stuff there
>>97593815>literally explained that the vast majority of the people in the new niggers of sigmar armies, at least the humans, are criminals, drunkards or retards who sign up to escape their punishment or by accident.
>>97594303it's not normal, but it's commontourneyfags are a blight, get out
>>97594303Only been to three tournies but all of them was the exact opposite. People were nice and normal and there was a mix of hobbyists, try-hards and beerhammer dudes. Even the try-hards were socially functional enough.I only have 40k to compare with, but these three tournies were made up of "better" people. That being said the majority of my 40k scene is great as well, with a few autists and manchildren.
>>97594057the 10 mortek make this box very awkward
Can anyone share CoS tome? Please?
>>97594481there is no COS tome for 4e yet and you can find the faction pack for free on the warhammer community page
>>97593777Rank the factions nigs
>>975944993ed for lore, nigga
>>97594511should have specified.
>>97594506My guys...Your guys
>>97594506Nigs of sigmarSoulblightFlesheatersLuminethEverything elseShartcastDowngraded chaos dwarfs
>>97593815typical leftist meme from Grand Alliance Order liberals
>>97594303>Please tell me this is not the normal behaviourIn my experience, no.Majority of tournament players I encountered in AoS are chill, even the tourneyfags. Because the game is niche compared to 40k, lunatics and weirdos are a very rare sight.On the other hand, everyone builds their lists with intention to table the opponent by round 2, so clueless newbies tend to get filtered HARD
>>975938152nd ed was truly the Peak of CoS
>>97594506>SOVLIdoneth, seraphon, gloomspite, nighthaunt, FEC>kinoOgres, soulblight, >who caresAll the others
>>97594709Cities died after this book.
>>97594709In a better world what we got in 3e would be Dawnbringer militia, with new Great Swords, Veteran troops, and crazy renaissance weaponry as the Free Guild compliment.
Warhammer Age of Sigmar Webcomic 'Dice is always BLOOM then GLOOM' Ep. 7 is out! Please give it a look... https://x.com/steamdarimy/status/2025196485378539637
>>97594783>be me, 16>AoS drops>it sucks>golden diapers and infinite jobbers>read Heart of Winter>pleasantly suprised.jpg>get a gf, stop playing 40k>be me, second job, 2019>Malign Portents drops>CoS drops>expect AoS: Not!The Alliance >get AoS: Not!LOTR>everyone does something cool>entire kitbashed armies >Chris Peach creates a masterpiece>tons of lore>wanderers+freeguild+privateers>Team Glass Castle, ho!>3e launches, Diet Empire>army gets first strike shenanigans>workable>4e rumors, Diet Imperial Guard>Not!Ogryns, Not!Halflings, Not!SentinelsI gues time will tell whether they turn CoS, come 5e, into Humans+Different Sized Humans. Like it's not a big difference, but a cosmopolitan army that all looks homogenous is peak irony.
>>97594938I'll be real with you. Dwarfs and halflings are basically the same to me
>>97594953In better settings halflings are just dopplegangers.
>>97594953>>97594938If shitties gets its multiracialism replaced by pajeets, nignuggets and chinkies, along with halflings and ogryn that just makes it fantasy astra militarum.
Honestly if halflings do come back for CoS I can't be mad about it, halflings have always been super underutilized in Warhammer. Humans+Giants+Ogres+Halflings is actually a pretty cool army conceptually. It's awkward right now because a lot of things (normal dwarves, wanderers, dark elves) are otherwise not really in AoS at the moment after they get purged from cities but in the long run we're definitely getting all of those back in different armies, new Fyreslayer/Dwarf alliance, Kunothi, Malerions forces probably souped with DoK, LRL version of Phoenix Temple, etc etc)
>>97584891Sorry dude I'm late to the party. It's not been updated since Jan tho gofile DOT io SLASH d SLASH 4tl3H8
>>97594989Halflings are just worse humans and worse dwarfs
>>97595005ur awsome anon.
>>97594938From which novel is this excerpt? >>97595005 Can anyone PLEASE share 3ed CoS battletome?
>>97595214nta, but i can share it once i am home from the club.
>>97595263My deep thank you in advance, kind anon!
Obr stuff up for preorder in case you'd forgotten https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pjnhbg01/saturday-pre-orders-knock-knock-its-time-to-give-up-the-bone-tithe/Also apparently the chariot is fiddly as fuck to assembe, so y'know beware if you're interested.
>>97595214Heart of Winter anon, I hope you enjoy it.wormhole.app/m96akr#FrFKTJAybG5CRhk5LShF9A
>>97595379>Also apparently the chariot is fiddly as fuck to assembeHow?
>>97594970>If shitties gets its multiracialism replaced by pajeets, nignuggets and chinkies, along with halflings and ogryn that just makes it fantasy astra militarumcongrats anon, you figured it out. That's exactly what they're doing to the faction.>Oh you wanted your medieval fantasy army to look like a medieval fantasy army with cool european knights and non-humans? Sorry, but the faction has to look like modern day London or the stockholders will throw a hissy fit
>he has to pretand adding ogors and gargants is somehow race relatedParody
>>97595385I don't remember the details, comes from one of those review guys who get the kit early. Something about the riders having shitty attachment points and their weapons being really frail, something along those lines.>>97595434Are we doing this discussion again
>>97595283https://gofile.io/d/CNgOAAhere you go. i threw in 2nd Ed CoS book and the 3rd Ed Darkoath supplement in there, just in case you wanna learn more about the normal people of the mortal realms.
>>97594937I love this little Korean nigger like you wouldn’t believe
>>97595434So play a different game?
>>97593815What was the point in grimderping AoS when they were already bringing back the old game those people pretended to want
>>97595379They're such scumbags for not making a box with the new stuff and instead clearing the warehouse of the shit every OBR player already has
Anyone got the new LRL or Arcanite Battletome PDFsOr First Marshal novel?
The alternate armies for OBR are pretty interesting. I think Null Myriad actually has legs with how strong DoT and LRL are likely to be.
>>97595839>>97591664
>waste money on two centerpieces>turn it into an ugly conversion>slap some paint on it>Guys please pay me for this
>>97595908Fugg is that some uninspired boring ass art.
>>97595908>norwood reaper vs bogged lumineth
>>97595911It’s got 40k on it though.
>>97595911My god
>>97595941>new low price
>>97595941The great unclean one is funny though
>>97594953consult the chart>fat and beard = dwarf>fat and no beard = halfling (practically a small Imperial ogre)>beard and no fat = gnome (practically a small college wizard)>neither fat or beard = gnother type of gnome (practically a pink goblin)
>>97593777Soon
>>97596112>behold! A halfling!
>>97595941Never thought I'd see kragnos used for anything other than kragnos
>>97596231She probably filled that gun with daemon nut that she collected herself
>>97596231I’m gonna put a halfling in her alright
>>97596231woemen don't count
which FEC spearhead is better in terms of fun in spearhead mode and expanding to the proper 2k army?How does FEC even play?
>>97594303Admittedly only played one AoS tournament but everyone was super chilled m
>>97594303If you manage to roll a 3+ this doesn't happen at tourneys.
>>97594303and then everybody clapped
>>97594938>be me, 16>AoS drops
>>97596582My local Nighthaunt player is 18.The mold my models are made from is literally older than him. People being boring after 2000 should be illegal.
>>97596601Being born*I'm senile.
>>97596292I dunno about fun in game but just for starting an army etc the first one looks miles better since it's just all the new shit. New ones is all the old models with a couple duplicates even.
>>97595434Who... cares? They are multiracial by design.>We've liberated a tiny pocket of the realm from chaos, lets put a ton of people into this calm to build a city from across the realms. its literal colonist drawn from all corners of the 8 realms, of course its multicultural. And besides they are still like 80% white and you STILL complain. Fucking /pol/ I swear.
Is it at all possible to subassembly this guy? His collar is so high I won't be able to paint his face worth shit.
>>97596916I’d like to imagine the head isn’t part of the body. We shouldn’t be stuck with 2016 sprue design.
>>97596923It very much is
>>97596923>>97596942>2016 sprue design This is contemporary sprue design. Old hammer used to be sensible and interchangeable pieces. Now you have shit like this.Be thankfully the face wasn’t split in half.
>>97596582We're closer to the moon landing than building of the pyramids
>>97596975>born too early to witness war in the Levant>born too late to witness war in the Levant>born just in time to experience war in the Levant
>>97596969>Old hammer used to be sensible and interchangeable piecesLOL
>>97596969it seems to be really hit and miss. you'll get shit like >>97596942, but then in the same year you'll get some regular ass kit that builds like a warhammer kit always has. GW is completely random about how and when it does the jigsaw kits
>>97593789cinemamatch ups like this is what makes aos so good imo
>>97596916>>97597046I think I'll just cut off his head and glue it back after. Hopefully I can get a nice clean cut
>>97594303once saw a batrep youtuber leave an event after an early round lossi think it was a mirror match
>>97594303we had a local who would throw his models angrily back into his travel case when they died, but he was also like 15 so we cut him some slack.otherwise i've never seen anything like what you're describing, if thats even real.
Hear me out. Stormcast, but Japanese.
>>97593777Relatively simple and humble sigmarine. Got these guys for cheap to paint something else other than 40k, mainly because I liked the reclusians models but after painting ten of these basic ones I'm already burned out, I hate batch painting
Now that the dust has settled, why did the HoH flop?
>>97597564looks excellent anonbatch painting is tedious but i think its the most rewarding way of painting.After doing it myself now when i build lists theres a nice 'okay a majority of the models are painted' kind of joy
>>97597580Thank you!>After doing it myself now when i build lists theres a nice 'okay a majority of the models are painted' kind of joyUnderstandable. Personally after I'm done batch painting I think "man if I focused these down one at a time I could have painted them so much better" and get annoyed kek
>>97597576TOWfurries liked the concept of shitposting more than they liked the idea of buying minis.
>>97597618for me the effort and detail you put into mini's gets a bit lost when actually playing the game so i usually dont worry about like little details and highlights n such which also makes batch painting easier
So whats the skinny on low model count armies in AoS these days? And by that I mean armies where the big guys are the face of the faction, not a supporting element that you can technically monster mash with only for the nerf hammer to come down in favor of pushing chaff and fodder sales. Is it just Ogors and Gargants?
>>97597379They did it in Sigmar's Toll (animation)If gear + weapon looking Japanese it could be cool
>>97597564Looking very nice. Gold and hammer heads, especially.
I gotta be honest. I kinda really want to get a Cleansing Aqualith
>>97597674>got a heavily discounted Thondian Strongpoint set on ebay second hand>came with everything but the AqualithI want to get a resin printer so I can get some decent looking terrain but I don't trust myself to not fuck up with the chemicals and give myself cancer.
>>97597652I think there are several factions you can run reasonably elite especially if you have a really expensive auto-take hero. You shouldn't run only monsters but Kruelboyz can run monster heavy lists and do well. There was recently a khorne list of two bloodthirsters and some skullcrushers that got second at some tournament. If your not trying to win some big GT, a monster mash list is fine.
>>97597652Dude 4th is so bad I can't in good conscience recommend anything other than a different game for now. The game design has gone off a cliff.
>>97598132Yes anon we know your a no games.
>>97598132Post a game you played within the last year since 4th dropped. >pic rel: a PtG match I played 2 weeks ago, I've yet to play this week. Ogors vs StD>Highlight was my Gorgers coming onto the board and nailing their 9" to tear a Daemon Prince to pieces in a single combat.
>>97598154That’s a really nice board
>>97597576Because, you fucking shitposting faggot, the people who whinged for chaos dwarfs are the exact same people who called for squats to come back.Which is to say, bugger fucking all of the people who would buy in.Buy more or STFU
Umbraneth bros...it's actually over
>>97598160The LGS mats are radical, honestly. They have this one and something closer to what GW would call "martian crust" or some such. It's 44x60 too which makes things a lot easier for set up.
>>97598178>Oct 6 Lmao Barnes and Noble really did an oopsie.
>>97598190Does GW not just put out books randomly? I know it's old world branded but it's an existing character. I don't think it's much of an indicator of dark elves getting proper old world support. At most the existing units that barely exist in the CoS battletome getting shunted to TOW and the boxes getting rebranded.
>>97598333>At most the existing units that barely exist in the CoS battletome getting shunted to TOW and the boxes getting rebranded.That's the hope. And how all core factions have been treated. Launch with the old kits and maybe 1-2 new kits, then release kits over time to refresh the ranges. Dark Elves are more certainly than not going to TOW imo.
>>97598178>Gav ThorpeSo Elves getting BTFO?
>>97598352Yes but more so because the focus of the series is the elf civil war rather than the author.
>>97598341If that does happen, I don't think that kills hopes for Umbraneth. GW was and still is selling old chaos dwarf stuff even after putting out Helsmiths. (in bloodbowl but still). They should stop with this "all models can only be used in their dedicated game" nonsense and just put out more obvious proxy stuff like with the recent chaos mauraders. 30k exists almost entirely as a proxy range for 40k anyway, they should just lean into it.
>>97598372They really should lean into sharing models, as they did for a very long time. I understand their reasoning, I just think it's retarded. If anything letting armies be used in multiple systems only increases the likelihood of getting into more GW systems and buying more unique armies for those games.But no, the accountants need to know which system is how profitable exactly.
>>97598392Intra-company competition between your own products has got to be the most retarded business practice I could possibly imagine.
>>97598548Yup, it’s great too because people still buy stuff for other systems (AoS models as proxies for TOW are somewhat common and I’ve seen Cathay on rounds) so it’s not like they get an accurate count as is.
is OBR fkn blacklisted? Coming out with a tome that its arguably the worst designed so far along with the images for the pre-order straight just not on the webstore lol
>>97598578None of your post makes sense
>>97598578Serves them right, worst designed army aesthetically in Warhammer history.
>>97598132I was pretty disappointed by 4e before first ghb, sog gave me some hope, and after the nh and obr tome I actively turn people toward spearhead or preferably non gw games if they're interested in more than just painting models. It would take a pretty shitty person to pull people into an game that asks it's players to pay ever increasing prices and rewards them by dropping rules support for models with a span of an edition.
>>97598578tome is still better than the faction pack but its 4e so of course its inferior to previous editions.
>>97598667I will now roll a 3+ to refute your opinion
Crazy how hard the TK dice mog the OBR dice for bone themed dice. And the OBR dice are the only thing that sold out kek.
>>97598703Why do their dice come in a plastic or glass container?
>>97598703You are acting like a brown person anon. Please go to /wfg/ and talk about the thing you supposedly like there.
>>97598708It's actually useful. I have the little packs of 20 for AoS and the Necromunda dice too.
>>97598669there are also 3+ in the faction pack, retard. in fact, the terrain got better because it was a 4+ in the faction pack.
>>97598372I think a more appropriate comparison would be high elves and lumineth. I don't think dark elves would block umbraneth from coming, or vice versa.
>>97598703I bought both.
>>97598902Do you play TK's and OBR? You're an addict to the bone.
>>97598703I bet both options are overpriced garbage too.
>>97598905yeah I do.
>>97598911Kino, I hope you enjoy your new dice.
>>97598905DoK
Spiderfang anon, are you still here? Are they at all viable?Some guy near me is selling a bunch of old spiderfang stuff for pennies and it's tempting man...Also for the rest of you, what's the over/under on spiderfang staying around? They miraculously hung on in 4th even with shitmob here, but surely they're in (even more) hot water?
>>97598963he got permabanned for shitposting in 40kg
>>97598973No shitThe fuck did he do to get perma'd?
>>97598974He picked a fight with /40kg/s strongest soldier (decalanon)
>>97598985Doesn't everyone there
>>97596582I was 18 when AoS dropped now I'm married with kids lol
>>97597576Because they combine the worst and most boring elements of both AoS design and old school Fantasy design, making something that is both a down to Earth style army with the shitty CAD look of AoS.
>>975981781) This means nothing, they've done reprints of books focused on characters for armies that aren't coming to TOW already, e.g. the Nagash books is as much about Vampires as it is Tomb Kings, this is a mix of a High Elf and Dark Elf book (with a bit of wood elf in there too)2) Surely if anything this makes Umbraneth more likely? Dark Elves going to Old World means that they're more likely to do something like them but as an original AoS army.
>>97598999Don't engage the shitposter anon(Also how are they down to earth?)
>>97598578Kavalos being able to move>charge>move means they'll probably be good to get points. There are other stuff here and there which makes me think that the army will be able to be good scoring-wise.But yeah they completely butchered the feeling of the army, they're now a horde of cheapshit forcing you even more to play katakross and jump through tons of hoops just so you can be roughly as strong as your opponent
>>97595736Being retarded and listening to vocal internet no-models, no-games imbeciles was what they did.
>>97594989>Lets make AoS an exact replica of warhammer fantasy!>wait you can't use aos models in whfb stop that>hey why isn't anyone playing AoS?
When's the next preview show, do we know that yet?I want to see the new cos shit.
Why would an army of war-constructs have need of sneaky slicers?
>>97599233byproduct of the fashion scene that arises from all the skin and leather leftover from their bonepicking business
>>97599233Stealthy troops and scouts are useful to every army that has ever existed. I know a lot of people are disappointed in the new OBR but the army has some interesting tech-y elements now, I'm pretty into it as someone that liked StD when they were more of a tech army and finds them less fun now. It could really do with a couple of damage boosts that weren't locked to specific characters.
>>97599233They are a bit silly but they're growing on me. I'm always fond of weird monsters wearing clothes they have no real need for, it establishes some personality, a desire to look good. Basically this>>97599237Plus look at those smiles they're having a great time.
>>97599223Most likely at Adepticon, if they are even doing live shows at all anymore. End of March.
>>97599233Same reason everyone else has need of them I imagine
What are the techy/toolbox/complex gameplan armies of AoS in general these days?
>>97599233>why solve isseus overnight with 5 guys if you can take 2 years and 500000 guys of sieging?
>>97599233Ignore that they're eternal undead beings who represent Nagash's inevitable domination of all things and the futility of resistance. It's not about showing humanity there is no resistance, that the tithe is a part of life. They need traditional army tactics because they're a traditional army.
>>97599289Thanks, appreciate it. Are they slowing down on the live shows? Did I miss something?I seem to remember the last adepticon having reveals, though I think aos didn't really get anything for that specific one.
>>97599621They did the big New Year's show where they revealed the new Ossiarch stuff and the Lumineth and Tzeentch heroes.goddamn, that stuff came out fast. TOW is still waiting for the second Cathay wave that was revealed in like November
New to AOS, deciding on an army them will get a spearhead and a few other units to build an army. I like the aesthetic of:big armoured OrcsSeraphim lizards How are they gameplay/rules wise? Thanks bros. Also I was going to look at 40k but just hate all the models. I just can't put my finger on it but 40k just seems way more 'toy soldiers and tanks'and nerdy...Yes, I'm not exactly cool but at least AOS is self aware of its silliness
>>97599685>TOW is still waiting for the second Cathay wave that was revealed in like NovemberWhat? Lmao what a blunder. And then you have retards say GW cares about that shit with this fucking releas shedule
>>97599621It seems like they're not hosting them at live events anymore and just doing studio presentations on their own schedule. Probably because tons of their stuff leaked early from the set-up at last few and they just have too many technical difficulties trying to set up live presentations in crowded auditoriums.
>>97599294The Tzeentch battletome just recently hit and it's the most techy toolbox army 4th edition has seen by far. Sylvaneth and Skaven are also up there in terms of tricksy bullshit, but they're more faction terrain dependent.>>97599718>IronjawsRun forward and hit stuff: the army. Your options are to hit stuff with pigs or hit stuff with brutes.>SeraphonDepending on how the meta swings they typically either play protect the nerd with Kroak/Slann, dino stampede with cav/big monsters, or bro-op with Kroxigors and Skinks. They've got a solid roster, but GW has had trouble giving them an identity this edition without making one aspect of the army overpowered for a couple months before nerfing it into irrelevance again.
>>97599718For lizards you've got two choices for spearheads, the big dino one and the chameleon skink one. For ironjawz it's just the one at the moment, the other orc spot is taken by kruleboyz. In the main game, both ironjawz and seraphon are at the moment very straightforward, in your face, armies. Seraphon a bit less so, they recently got some buffs that made their magic a bit more powerful but in general they're still a very "fair" playstyle based army. Seraphon haven't had their tome yet this edition though, so this might change pretty soon. In previous editions seraphon could have some notoriously bullshit tricks up their sleeve.Anyway, this straightforwardness translates to the ironjawz and big dino spearheads too. Relatively simple, and pretty powerful to boot. The chameleon skink seraphon spearhead is a lot trickier and a lot weaker, being more about sneaky objective play etc. Not unplayable by any means, just quite hard to execute well for kind of meager reward.Anyway, if you were to start with either faction I'd definitely recommend the spearheads, at least the big dino one in the case of seraphon. They're very good starts to an army, and like said before, quite simple to play in the spearhead gamemode itself so excellent for a beginner to learn the ropes.I personally love the models in the chameleon spearhead, but they're maybe a bit more niche than the big dino one and definitely trickier for a beginner, both play and paintswise. Not that I'd be *that* hard to start with but if it's all the same to you I'd recommend the big dino one. For ironjawz again you've only got one spearhead so far so choice is easier there. Good luck and enjoy friend.Oh and as for 40k, I get it. Nothing against the models but always preferred fantasy to sci fi in terms of aesthetics.
>>97599294the new tzeentch and LRL battletomes seem to have a lot going on. Tzeentch lets you shuffle units around the board and has a secondary resource that requires a lot of management and decision making. LRL buffs that can be selected every turn which change effects depending on previous buffs picked, with a few ways to add or change which ones your actively using. Definetly heavier on the planning and adaptation side of things.
>>97599718>orcsyour options are heavy infantry or heavy cavalry. Either way you run forward to smash things, and if you pick infantry you probably die a bit more.>lizardsreasonably well rounded as a faction. decent battle line infantry and elite infantry, some cavalry options, wizard heros that are some of the best magic slingers, and of course 4 or 5 different dinosaurs for big scary units. Only thing they don't do very well is shooting, but if you want a more balanced or magic heavy force, run lizards.
>>97599246I think people are more disappointed in the power of the rules and the fact that their stats are pitiful for an army that's supposed to be the elite version of undead (Stalkers are on 1 damage...) than the models.I dig the reapers and actually have wanted this mortek expansion for the longest time because OBR is supposed to be a military force, but this release is fucking dumb because they're wet noodles. They're supposed to be better than deathrattle in every way, but barrowguard and knights absolutely shit on anything in the new book aside from morghast and that's not a high mark. The worst part is the same dude wrote both books and did this shit knowingly.
>>97599973>The worst part is the same dude wrote both books and did this shit knowinglyDo we actually know anything about who writes what?
New rumor apparently from tga>The Cogfort and friends are almost upon us… >Will you choose Flame or Cannon? >Death or Shadow? >The Kraken or The Enlightened?
>>97600053There's zero doubts in my mind he wrote pic related gem, the gulf between writing styles is enormous. If something requires a roll, a stipulation or two and a resource cost then it's bin-man.
>>97600090I wanna lizards rumors, mate
>>97600090This doesn't really tell us anything we didn't already know, but just in case:>flame[thrower] or cannon?Cogfort build options>death or shadowI'd assume this refers to the cos vs eshin spearhead box>kraken or the enlightenedGuy who hates dok vs guy who hates luminethMore interesting is the followup he posted, picrel.Have we had hippogryphs in aos yet? This might be something for tow instead.
>>97597658Thanks, it's basically 3 golds and a couple oil washes
>>97600181>This might be something for tow instead.I hope, but why would he post that in the aos thread if that's the case?
>>97600181>This might be something for tow instead.I hope whoever is behind it, it isnt the dude who made the longma. That thing looks ugly.
>>97600310The aos rumour thread basically IS tga at this point. Boole posted all his eye of terror leak stuff for 40k in there too.Despite the name it's honestly more like a general chat, with an extra focus on rumours.>I hope soDo you not want to see hippogryphs, or just more of a tow fan?
>>97600324>Do you not want to see hippogryphs, or just more of a tow fan?I don't think having CoS ape the old world factions even more is going to make it any better, and releasing a plastic hippogriff for cos but not bretonnians, or release two plastic hippogriff kits, one for aos and one for tow, both sound like very stupid routesgranted, there are ways to make a hippogriff appear novel enough to justify its reappearance, but we don't really have much basis to expect bold things here, do we?
>>97600355>I don't think having CoS ape the old world factions even more is going to make it any better,what?
>>97600369
>>97600355Eh, a Hippogriff is just a generic fantasy monster and was only weakly aligned with Brettonia to begin with. CoS already has characters with Manticore and (apparently) Manticore Mounts, adding one more chimeric creature is just continuing the theme.
>>97600397oh. Didn't stormcast already have one at some point? I feel like the two games have completely different scales either way though, so it probably woldnt matter.
>>97600401>and (apparently) Manticore MountsMeant to write Chimera here, referring to the LRL hating Mage character that is pretty much confirmed by White Dwarf at this point.
>>97600090>cogfort soonif they give it a RoR that lets you run it in Order armies, I'll buy one day one>flame or cannonbig cannon obviously, those little flame thrower spouts in the rumor engine didn't look impressive at all.>death or shadownew death faction/DoK box? DoK vs Eshin box? not interested either way>Krakenoh god please GW give it to me. I don't even have Helsmiths but I'd buy this without question.
>>97600403>Didn't stormcast already have one at some point?No, but they do have a big Griffon and a (now squatted) Goat Headed Pegasus thing, in addition to a shit load of griff or dragon themed cavalry mounts.
>>97600401>Hippogriff is just a generic fantasy monster and was only weakly aligned with Brettoniait's more aligned to bretonnia than the griffon is to the empire, since other factions could take griffons but no other faction could take hippogriffs>>97600403they get close, but no trve hippogryph
It might seem banal but I sincerely don't think a miniature sculptor should be allowed to do novel creature designs if they've never read a monster manual or other sort of high fantasy roleplaying bestiary.
>>97600456RIP the majestic tauralon
>>97600473genuinely the one thing stopping me from cities is that gryphs aren't a part of them. They are the face of lethis, and I want them. Bouth as mounts and as dog units.
>>97600451It seems the kraken refers to the character that hates elves (of the morathi variety), not an actual squid, sorry.>>97600473Bring back the tauralon. So stupid looking but kind of sovl.
>>97600504>So stupid looking but kind of sovl.Same could be said of the celestial dracolines. Sacrosanct critters are just built different.
>>97600474high fantasy monster designs fucking suckyou find better shit in random medieval bestiaries the eye of modern artists is too tainted by natural plausibility, sci fi concepts, or the geometric tumors of designs for the modern asian consumer
>>97600473it's crazy how these are all worse than just a normal griffin. If it ain't broke don't fix it I suppose.
>>97600543Holy dogshit tastes.
>>97600543none of these try to fit the shoes of the griffoneven the last one is not exactly meant to be a brawler-type monster
>>97599685>>97599780Looks like it's finally coming. I'm going to need that onyx crowman for my tzeentch army.
>>97600514>Same could be said of the celestial dracolines.I gotta disagree here I absolute loathe the dracolines. Some of my least favourite sculpts in all of aos. Neat concept, horrible execution.
>>97600591Looking at them, I like the creatures. But of course the Fatcast riders deserve the scrap heap.
>>97600554Huge fan of how the leaders of each peasant uniform are retired/retiree aged Jade Warriors. Like a veteran too old to join the ranks proper using his experience to direct and lead his untrained peasants brethren. It’s little stuff like that adding plausibility to the world that really ties it all together.
>>97600554Just FYI if you are interested in this, this is a fomo box.
>>97600554Probably the one thing I like about the new Cathay box is that birb. Might try and dabble with recasters to get my hand on one later on. I really gotta look around for familiar stuff at some point.
>>97600554I like the new format for releases that GW uses now where for SGS they pack in all the new models into one discounted box. Blows battleforces out of the water.
>>97594938>>expect AoS: Not!The Alliance >>get AoS: Not!LOTRI have a bad news for you anon, but Alliance was pretty much inspired by LoTR just like 90% of fantasy unions of dwarves, humans and elves.>>4e rumors, Diet Imperial Guard>>Not!Ogryns, Not!Halflings, Not!SentinelsMakes sense, since AoS was diet 40k since the start and writters cannot catch the same charisma as peak Blizzard, so not-Alliance was never going to work.
>>97600554Who does this appeal to?
>>97600723the average new GW consumer
>>97600731NTA but watch this sell out in a couple hours (unlike HoH’s fomo box)
>>97600723People who like cool models?
>>97600754Those ain’t that.
>>97600757You’re just a hater.
>>97600554The FOMO box tactic is very insidious. I was considering starting Cathay for a while, this box has me fiending hard knowing it’s a limited print run and it’s good savings.
I’ve been staring at this tree lord for 5 minutes and I feel paralyzed on what color choices I want to apply to it. Also I should probably stop priming my models grey.
>>97600813brown + greenBrown + pinkWhite + redBlack + orange
>>97600776tbf the normal non FOMO Battlion boxes for TOW have been pretty good for most armies but especially WoC and Cathay
StD fans this is probably how the new Chaos Warriors/Knights will look. This is part of the cover of the upcoming AJ featuring Cathay vs Chaos (Chaos attacking The Great Bastion)
>>97600758I'm gonna have to squint real hard to make those into "cool models." I'll end up looking like the models themselves.
>>97600867>especially WoC>woc has an amazing savings starter box for tow, buy two for basically a full 2k army (and then some)>ogres have an amazing savings starter box for aos, buy two for basically a full 2k army>rumours of a woc refresh just around the corner>rumours of an ogre refresh just around the cornerHmmm....
>>97600884wrong thread buddy.
>>97600884That art is super cool.
>>97600897Chaos Warriors are interchangeable between the settings. I am literally talking about alternative sculpts for StD.
>>97600900>nothing happening>barely readable art >dont even get me started on the filter
>>97600907ah yes my giants in std. much wow.
>>97600933NTA but it's just part of the art. The chaos part is actually cut off on the cover of the AJ.
>>97600952I am not trying to be funny, but why the fuck do they get actual art on their books while we get 1-3 models drawn in front of a colored background?
Probably nothing but it is a comment none the less on the gryphs.>>97600997because the actual artwork is inside the battletomes silly billy.
>>97601009Do they not have art inside their books too?
>>97601035besides cathay not really. At least not stuff that isnt just reused.
>>97600997Because ToW is the setting, while AoS is a game.
>>97600997Because we have people trying out weird artistic decision and they run on autopilot just copying the shit we had previously with nothing new added
Very esl posts.
>>97600884I hope we get an upgrade for the giant if Chorfs are in
>>97601213>I hope we get an upgrade for the giantI have some good news and some bad news.
>>97601213Those are just the hellcannon crew chorfs.
>>97601035For the most part, no. Very little art on the inside of those journals.
>>97601035>>97601243There's literally art on almost every single page of every AJ. Look yourselves https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
>>97601252This is just dolphin porn.
>>97601009>why yes, my hippogryph is from chamon, how could you tell?New conversionkino incoming.
>>97601009>>97601428So it's the Load Gryphon thing? Does this have a connection to anyone specific other than Tzeentch?
>>97601252Wow other than a lot of the art being sepia these generally mog battletomes.
>>97601442Literally who?
>>97601486The godbeast that unknowingly enabled tzeentch to access the material world by corrputing a rite mant to contain it
>>97601442Wouldn't it potentially be connected to every other faction in Chamon, include KO?
>>97601557I don't think Gitz ever gave a shit
Could anyone be so kind and share 4ed FeC and 4ed Helsmith battletomes?Please?
>>97601695
>>97601747Thank you, you magnificent bastard!
>there are Anons who can't name every godbeast from memory
>>97602419Are all of the godbeasts known or is there still room for someone to make up their own beast
>>97602419To be fair it’s a pretty dumb concept
>>97602603>kaiju are a dumb conceptI'm ending our friendship.
>>97597743You don't need a resin printer for nice 28mm scale terrain
>>97601213I fully believe that this thing being a chorf "invention" was entirely post-hoc and it was actually designed to be a giant flayerkinChorfs would not be scavenging random shields and nailing scrap metal haphazardly onto armor
>>97594303Name and shame the state bro.I would have called bullshit on that 'we use different names shit'But when my local had a tournament to kick off 4th edition (before we realized it was shit) some faggot out of towners from SC or GA came to our area, a guy running the broken fucking nighthaunt list (before it became infamous) pulled that same guy as shit with meSaid to call him 'Phoenix.' this was some fat glasses wearing middle aged white dude. I just gave him the fucking look and said ok man and called him 'man' the rest of the match.
>>97593789> Playing in a Jew WYikes!
>>97602797any examples? I've found some nice STL's that would look good printed in resin but too detailed to for my bambu A1 mini.
>>97602817>Said to call him 'Phoenix.'>SC/GA areagamer tag or white trash birth name, call it
>>97602810I mean, it is presented as a surviving siege giant and they can't be repaired traditionally due to being bound to the armour like Legion of Azgorh infantry. Trophies and fluff.
>>97602825I have printed up a bunch of printable scenery stuff on FDM, comes out fine
>>97595852It's just the same old Morghast spam the rest of OBR is.
>>97602824What?
Will a toothpick damage plastic if you scrape the shit out of it with it?
>>97603349I don't think so but you could test it on a piece of sprue
>>97603349Consider a tooth brush instead
>>97603349Depends on the type of toothpick and plastic. But generally, most toothpicks are softer than most plastics, beaning they wont scratch or gouge very deeply
>>97602603fuck off
>>97603349Yes
>>97602437You can make one up
>>97603615Your picture is kinda dumb too
>>97603615SovlY'know I never noticed how decidely un-dwarven his axes look.
>>97602603You're pretty dumb.
NGL I have been tempted to do a Cathay proxy CoS army.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=033FWxL22A0Look at that, how is this in TOW and not AoS.
>>97604004I think with the new stuff announced for preorder yesterday you should have a good proxy for most units.I never really got the "cathay fits aos better than tow" thing though, seems like a pretty classic warhammer fantasy army. Take a historical culture, add some fanatical elements, twist some mythology around, et voila. They could stand to be a bit edgier but that's fluff, not visuals.
>>97604095I guess I just find them very cool. I wish GW stopped being gay about the multiple factions in different games rule they have going on. Cathay would be a cool addition to AoS too.
>>97604117I feel like cathay is a bit too much "literally just china" for aos. I feel like for aos they usually try to mix a few cultures together, like lumineth having both east asian, greek and himalayan themes, or fyreslayers having your classic celtic/anglo-saxon/norse dwarf stuff mixed with some malaysian magmadroth things.Vyrkos stuff for sbgl is maybe the exception, but even then I feel like there's at least a little bit of extra stuff in there beyond just eastern european aesthetics.Oh, and seraphon too, but they get away with it because they're also dinosaurs.
>>97604004>how is this in TOW and not AoS.no blacks
>>97604154>Vyrkos stuff for sbgl is maybe the exception, but even then I feel like there's at least a little bit of extra stuff in thereSoulblight as a whole is multitheamed
>>97604154nah, it's not the mixture of cultures that makes an aos faction an aos factionhigh elves were a mixture of cultures too but they don't look like an aos faction
Is this a decent 2k list for casual games:KairosSoG OgroidTzaangor ShamanTzaangors x30Chaos Spawn x2Lord Skaldior's Chosen RoRTzaangor Skyfires
>>97604197I'm not saying that every aos faction is a mixture of cultures, or that every culturally mixed faction is aos-coded, rather that they avoid being a fantastical version of a single culture.
>>97604312
>>97604312>>97604319Yep, this is a book
>>97604004The most mundane murim novel makes Cathay look like shit.
I FUCKING HATE THIS NEW TZEENTCH BOOK SO MUCHWHO THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE FUN TO PLAY AGAINST
>>97604634Perfectly flavourful them
>>97604634
>>97604154I don't think AoS factions so much have a mix of cultures as they just have a mix of faction concepts. Fyreslayers are dwarves+flame stuff. IDK are elves+sea creatures, Sylvaneth are Trees+elf spirits etc. Cathay is just fantasy China and while it does that very well, there's no extra flavor that makes it interesting enough to put in AoS. >>97604238yeah WHFB and TOW both leaned much harder into single culture inspirations for their factions. England, France, Egypt, etc. There was more of a crossover appeal for fans of historical wargames where AoS is pure fantasy appeal. Even Cities the knight faction manages to feel like a multigroup army than a single country.
New knight makes me think the new model will be smaller than normal gargants.
>>97604634I was starting to build a Tzeentch army but the book kind of killed my interest because I'm not very fond of movement/teleport gimmicksI just wanted to set the world on fire
>>97604936I was curious wtf you were talking about until I checked warcom lmao, they're really pumping out these big 40k releases damn, real end of edition churn.Anyway, something inbetween normal and megas you mean? Could be, I'm expecting the CoS gargants to be normal gargant sized, or maybe slightly bigger, while for the SoB matriarch I honestly think a brodd style upgrade sprue is the way to go
>>97605129>they're really pumping out these big 40k releases damn, real end of edition churn.How big of a release wave is there usually for an AoS end of edition window? Haven't really paid much attention to the previous ones.
>>97605546>How big of a release wave is there usually for an AoS end of edition window?The last end of edition window included the Ironjawz 2nd Wave, entire CoS army release, FEC 2nd Wave and Darkoath army box/release, along with a bunch of heroes and shit, including Belthanos, the cool Stormcast Dragon Guy and Trug the Troll King. End of edition waves are basically always huge
>>97605563I feel like for aos it's usually a bit earlier though, I think all you mentioned was late 2023 instead of early 2024, except darkoath and the FEC heroes (rest of the release was earlier)
>>97604634Is the scan out yet? I'm curious.
>>97605670Allegedly there's a scan out in French.
>>97605670Does he have a bird on him or is it just like part of his armour or something
>>97604634Lol bro just hit them lmao it's like easy lol
>>97605827It’s a birb.
Guys the latest LoW video says that GW inflates AoS sales by making sites buy the repackaged AoS products and that they never sell.Is AoS ded game???????
Is the Spirit of Durthu a unique named character, or can you have multiple Spirits of Durthu?
>>97605843You can have multiple iirc
>>97605836Everyone here hates Lords of War because despite them liking AoS and trying to start a local community, it floundered and died. They made a video admitting this. So now they are persona non grata here.
>>97605836>it’s realI have no reason to suspect they are lying, as they sell AoS. But if this is true then it’s very grim.
An ad on 4chan only costs 50$
>>97605836boohoo if these fags had their way they'd only carry space marines.
>>97605843It was unique in WHFB, its not unique in AoS. Spirit of Durthu is now just a treelord ancient with the generationa hatred and psychosis that the original Durthu had, implanted into the new treelords when they feel overwhelming trauma and grief.
>>97605884I wouldn’t be surprised if 4e is causing this. The rules are legitimately mostly awful. It’s like they have interns writing for AoS. If 5e doesn’t improve I wouldn’t be surprised if it were the final edition of AoS.
Alright fellas, got a game today. FEC vs OBR. (Buddy I've played against before) wish me luck!(Also still haven't painted my Morbhegs :( )
>>97605843It's a honor title. You become a "Spirit of Dhurtu" as a reward for being an exceptional treefolk
>>97605979Gl, surprised you have the dragons painted when they are a bigger pain than the bhegs to paint.
>>97605971Yeah the current situation isn’t great but I think it’s a little early to be worrying about the death of AoS
>>97606001I just really like painting big models, I might prime my bhegs after this game since I feel like they do work every time I break them out.Might see if I can trade for a couple extra terrorgheists soon...
>>97605884I watched this and they actually name Skaventide as one of the stinker products that rots on shelves. Which is weird, I thought Skaventide was “ Selling Fast” ?
>>97606023It did! I know folks who bought multiple copies in my local community. Just would be weird for your average Joe to buy mutiple copies ages after release.Just another case of GW making more than concievably needed.
>>97605881They were posted and disliked long before that video anon, they post clickbait videos like that all the time. They do it for tow (and even 40k at times) too.
>>97605118I found the wyrdflame stuff less interesting personally, but it's actually stronger now in a wierd way. Only flamers can cause the effect but now the only way to get rid of burning is rolling poorly. Maybe it'll get changed at some point but as of right now, you can burn them and if you don't roll a one in 3 chance for it to go out, you just keep doing 2-3 mortals per turn to every unit with burning.
>>97605884Decided to give this a watch and save you all a click, it's just complaining that most releases aren't actually new shit and is just old models repackaged in discount boxes (battleforces, spearhead/combat patrol, regiments of renown) that aren't as interesting for the average customer. As a store though you can't just order the new models alone you gotta take the shitty repackaged boxes too which is kind of an asshole move by gw but makes sense.Anyhow since they just revealed two more 40k combat patrols with the ancient rhino kit in them I assume these are hardly aos specific problems.That'll be the first and last of these I watch because good lord these two are hard to listen to so fucking boring. No wonder their whole channel is just "IS 40K DYING??", "AOS LOSING CUSTOMERS??" and "TOW IN DEATH SPIRAL?" on repeat. also do youtubers get money if you watch a vid with adblock on or is it like a per ad thing? I don't actually know
Alright, give me the seraphon rumors. My last hope for a fun book for my armies, and the faction closest to my heart.I've heard new temple guard and endless spells, which seems very plausible, but if we got any other rumors Im all ears.
>>97606128adblock does not get counted when calculating for the money a youtuber recieves, but it is counted towards the watch time which pushes it in the algorithm.faggots aside, would you rather have a competitive focus on aos or a narrative focus?
>>97606146It would probably be detrimental for the game as a whole, but I long for narrative games.
>>97606146Comp, narrative should be reserved for the niche of SGS. We're here to play a game not roleplay DnD.
>>97606212which game did warhammer evolve from?
>>97605884these guys deserve to fail, they bully people out of their own store community
>>97606228Them making DnD minis back in the day doesn't mean Warhammer evolved from DnD. If you want narrative there are plenty of games for you : HH, TOW, Necromunda, LIGMA etc. 40k and AoS are mainline products and they exist first and foremost to provide a well balanced competitive gaming experience.
Thinking of something more interesting than a basic Nighthaunt scheme for these guys. So far I'm thinking of leaving the executioner in black, having the scrivener in red since he's the closest thing to a judge here, and the sharpener and block bearer in brown since they're more of laborers/lower class.Any other suggestions for how I can spice things up with this warband? Maybe a color other than spectral blue/green for the under part.
>>97606146>faggots aside, would you rather have a competitive focus on aos or a narrative focus?Narrative focus, doubly so if we're making armies smaller.
>>97606291Maybe make the ghostly parts under the main cloke also some kind of fabric?
>>97605971>It’s like they have interns writing for AoSI recall reading that GW pays slightly above minimum wage for rules writers, so you're not totally off there. In any case, the massive oversimplification of GW games is a huge fail for everyone. Any more and we might as well be playing a board game with pre-made armies.
>>97606319>Any more and we might as well be playing a board game with pre-made armies.40k is already basically a complex board game game, and we aren't far behind.
>>97606319>>97606328You clowns see an actually balanced game and call it a board game.
>>97606350>actually balanced game >40k Lmao.
>>97606144>Alright, give me the seraphon rumors.Anon... I... no seriously they're like the only faction with ZERO reliable rumours. People have been speculating about temple guard as you say, but that's more wishlisting if anything. Same thing for the coatl endless spell
>>97606291Might not really work on the scale of an underworlds warband but here's this sick scheme I saw on reddit the other day
How come boneboys dont get a battleforce like all the other armies did?
>>97606350I'd prefer an actual wargame to whatever the fuck this shit GW has been popping out.
>>97606497They aren't popular enough to warrant a box
>>97606499Well then go play one? There's tons out there, if you want crunch and/or narrative go play a game designed around those goals.
>>97606497Didn't they get a christms one recently?
>>97606497It’s launching with the sylvaneth book.
>>97605909I mean, they have had videos where they talk about how they really like AoS, DOUBLE TURN INCLUDED, but mention how they have to work to keep their customers engaged in AoS, and how if they let up even for an instant, the interest starts to die.They only say that 40k sells itself
>>97605979Hang on a sec sport! You seem to be going to play with u painted models. You might want to fix that first ok?
>>97606521>and how if they let up even for an instant, the interest starts to die.>They only say that 40k sells itselfNah actually they said that between releases AoS dries up always despite their efforts to keep a community going.
>>97606497they got two different ones before and just got a new spearhead. I'm assuming the same as >>97606519 they'll drop the battleforces at the same time. >>97606521based on the experience of one anon from here that went to their store it sucks ass, is poorly stocked, unclean, and they weren't helpful to him. I would sooner trust a random anons word than people known for sensationalist ragebait vids
>>97606212you may be her to play a game, but the narrative elements are much stronger than any token attempt at """balance""" to make a competetive game.
>>97606212Catering towards competitive has sucked the life out the game. The rules are boring, there's no fun shit like mutations tables or any crazy shit. In 40k you used to be able to fire your infinite range deathstrike missile at a table the next town over.It's all so fucking soulless now. Fuck competitive. Games should be fun. WAACfags get the rope.
Don't reply to the guy obviously trying to start some shit lol>>97606497Picre,l it's coming "later in the year" apparently, dunno when exactly that is though.
>>97606550>>97606583As I said in follow up posts. There are plenty of narrative crunchy games out there. Even GW has multiple narrative crunchy games to appeal to your grog sensibilities. 40k and AoS exist to be balanced competitive games first and foremost. Don't try to change them into something they are not when your niche is already widely catered to.
>>97606410I was thinking about that the other day, I've been into the hobby for almost 20 years now, and I think I started to read about rumors in general in 2011I've never read anything that could be considered a reliable rumor involving lizardmen:people wanted all sorts of things for their 8th ed armybook but what came out was mostly unexpected shortly before the launch of aos there was a rumor that said aztec lizardmen would be squatted completely and replaced or reinvented into dragonborn. and that obviously didn't pan out unless we assume there was a long game of telephone about early aos lore which had them all dead and dracothion helping in making azyr demonsthe 2nd ed scenery piece? not one whisper about itchameleons in warcry? we first saw them in the teaser trailerthe 3rd edition release wave? no rumors, only teasers and rumor enginesthe extra warcry scenery? out of the fucking left fieldI think the only rumor we ever had about them was the latest underworlds warband, and even then while what we have now is one guy with one post on tga stating "lizardmen, spells, one is swarm" or something as succinct and vague as that
>>97606410there is a rumour
>>97606624I remember anons on here warning people not to buy into lizards during the later stages of the end times and stuff, because it was unclear if they'd make it over to whatever new edition gw had planned yeah.>>97606638Yeah that's all we have, but it's from a guy who has never posted before or since (hence reliable rumours).That being said, it seems reasonable. Oldblood makes sense as a pity hero, right now it's either the old ass sculpt or the extra from the carnosaur kit.Speaking of rumours, seems like that hippogryph thing from the other day is neither for us nor tow. False alarm.
>>97606667>the old ass sculptpeople don't know it, but that model isn't particularly older than the carnosaurit was released like maybe one year earlier or something like that in a random wave of lone plastic heroes for a few armiessmall plastic hero blisters were revolutionary at the timethe chaos lord of nurgle came from that too it was just done sticking to the design cues of the 6th and 7th edition models instead of trying to innovative the design drastically like the carnosaur rider did
>>97606624God this made me cough out my lung.
>>97606717Volturnos's comment on the side story is gold
>>97606713I just checked and yeah you're right, came out in 2011 while the carnosaur was 2013. I figured it was from 2005 or something, like the old saurus knights were since it's got a similar aesthetic.But yeah carnosaur is definitely a big step up, that whole kit is honestly great and pretty timeless. I don't know how they could improve on that one, and I hope they don't try for many years.What's left from the seraphon range to refresh while we're on the subject anyway, temple guard and the oldblood are obvious, and so are skinks (though they get away with it by being so small). I think the stegadon is getting up there in age, and so are the fliers. There's also that one foot skink priest. Idk most of the seraphon range has held up really well all things considered. Temple/saurus guard don't fit at all anymore though.
>>97606713>small plastic hero blisters were revolutionary at the timeI genuinely don't understand the hate for metal minis. They are far better than resin. I imagine it's from a generation of kids that never actually worked with metal parroting memes they have heard from others or worse parroting corporate propaganda.
>>97606764>I genuinely don't understand the hate for metal minis.There was no hate for metal minis at least around meThere was a lot of hate for finecast though, the shift into that shit was terribleThe small plastic heroes released in that wave were all neatly designed and they were relatively cheapand plastic is good for conversions, cutting metal is a pain
>>97606667>the hippogryph is for 40k
>>97606801In hindsight it was kind of obvious, don't they have a ton of tanks named after mythological creatures? Wyvern, hydra, etc. Or are those the 30k marine ones I forget.
>>97606841I was pretty sure they were named after primarchs but I dunno much about 40k lore.
>>97606541Damn can you link that post?Their downstairs gaming area looks legit (in that they even have one) I'm surprised it's so gross
>>97606791True. With metal the most sensible conversion would be green stuff oriented. But alas, that is another skill that is quickly fading from the hobby world. The worst part being that in an age of CADslop most people don’t even appreciate hand sculpted figures anymore. Sad state of affairs.
>>97606867If you look for lords of war in the archives you'll probably find some more similar sentiments, though being clickbaiting youtubers probably doesn't endear you to people so take this with a grain of salt.
>>97606516Nah, they should just stop catering to soulless compfags like you and start making interesting games again, like they did prior to 40k 8th edition.
>>97606957Anon you are replying to some serious bait
>>97606956They have a whole second hobby channel called LoW Hobbies or some shit where they review new paints/brushes/hobby shit that’s filmed in the basement. You can see what it looks like in those videos and see how obvious it is that anon is just butthurt and spreading lies about them.
>>97606957Why do you think every game should cater to people like you? You want sci fi battle narratives? HH exists. You narrative skirmish? Necromunda. You want narrative fantasy? tow AND mesbg. And that’s only listing games workshop games, many wargames outside the gw bubble also lean narrative. But no, people who want comp tight rulesets that are balanced against one another can’t have one fantasy and sci fi game because?
>>97607062anon, go get a life.
>>97607039and yet no one ever posts those videos here only the dumb clickbait ones from their more popular clickbait channel. Fuck them and fuck you>>>97607062>people who want comp tight rulesets that are balanced against one another can’t have one fantasy and sci fi game because?your playing a game where the core ruleset changes every few years and the core rules for each factions changes every few years with minor changes every 3-6 months. You are an imbecile if you think this insane tumoltous schedule fosters anything resembling a solid competetive game. GW keeps writing new rules to keep people interested so they don't drop their models and keep buying new ones. If competition was the focus, there would be a yearly competetive circuit, but that's not remotely what they focus on.
>>97607062If you want a tight competitive ruleset for a fantasy game you are fuckin retarded to be playing a GW game.Kings of War is RIGHT OVER THERE. Hell you can even CONSOOOM and use AiS models for it if you want, the only thing that matters is the size of the space.
Based on the rumour monger's description of the new gutter runners they sound suspiciously like a recycled warcry warband to me. I can't be imagining things right?In any case, let's just assume that's true, do you guys think there's any other finished or semi-finished warbands they could try to recycle for aos?As far as I can tell these are the factions that never got a bespoke warcry release:-idoneth deepkin-kharadrons-ironjawz*-gloomspite-sons of behemat (yeah...)-skaven-slaanesh beasts of chaos There's also technically the helsmiths, but y'know.Of these only slaanesh and SoB have upcoming releases left in 4th, and I don't imagine it's likely they had anything planned for SoB. Is there any shot there's a recycled slaanesh warband waiting to miraculously be shifted over the main game for their upcomig tome? It always seemed strange to me that they're the only main chaos god without a warband.I figure for the other ones if they did have some stuff waiting in the wings they would have released it already with their battletomes. Then again, maybe gw wasn't quite sure what to do with warcry yet by that time, they took quite a while with their gutter runners after all. Would've been cool to see what a gloomspite warband would've looked like...
>>97607180It’s a current GW trend to pack Kill Teams/Warcry warbands into combat patrols/spearheads. To me it seems pretty obvious they are getting rid of old stock, but who knows.
>>97607143> Size of the BASEMy bad
>>97607196GW is trying to consolidate SKUs. So they are repackaging a unit (generally old/doesn't really sell) with a hero (generally a special character so the re buy value is shit, they don't want you getting a good deal here!) and another shit unit. The new OBR box is a good example, it's immortis (so stalkers as well) packaged with vokmortian and half of a mortek box (but you get a full 10 man unit out of it so it's fine). Basically neither the stalkers or the special character sell particularly well, so they save SKU by throwing it all together and making it more expensive than either individually. There is a slight savings on buying all three, but the special character is there to make sure you aren't buying multiple.I'm assuming the goal would be to take away as many individual unit boxes as possible and make them webstore only, so they can force numerically fewer but price wise more expensive bundles onto the stores.It's a 'win' for the customer because 'its a bundle deal' (but not really because now you pay more to get the one or two units you actually want), it's a 'win' for the store because they store less boxes (they win in saving shelf space but they have to pay GW more, and might sell less as they are less value) and it most certainly is a WIN for GW (they get paid more by the store, they shift more sales to their online store for the individual units, where everything is full MSRP and they give zero discounts)
>>97607245That makes a lot of sense as to the glut of dogshit spearheads/combat patrol (another 4 shitt cps revealed today btw) that GW seems to be spamming out. It’s jarring looking at TOW/HH battalions and combat forces and comparing them to 40k/AoS boxes. You can see they actually attempt to put an effort into their specialist game bundles. At least relatively speaking.
>>97607267I can't speak for 40k or hh but I wouldn't say it's necessarily a per system trend, it's more of a case by case basis thing imo.Tow has a few notoriously awful battalion boxes (greenskins come to mind, helves one is shit too) while there's some great aos spearheads (old ogre one was insane, seraphon carnosaur box comes to mind, the new idoneth one is also like 40% on all units you really want to take anyway).I will say the value on the tow boxes of new models (i.e. cathay and the marauders) has been really really good.
>>97607300Some of the TOW ones were insanely shit They remake the sea guard, the swordmasters, and the reivers but try to sell you those ancient, hideous gorilla hand archers and spearmen for the high elves? Get the fuck out.
>>97607333The idea of all the boxes for tow was the same. To provide a core of your army. That’s just what HE core looks like because it’s so old. Also the orc box isn’t that bad, the only shit part is the goblins and that’s only because you’d never take them over night goblins. As a monetary deal and how the sculpts aged the orc box is way better than the HE one.But yeah, it seems like sgs is going to do waves of releases for their games. Like the Cathay box previewed yesterday or the custodes box previewed earlier for HH. All new models in one discounted box. That’s a great model going forward.
>>97605884I don't know one person local to this store that wouldn't drive 20 minutes to one of the other actual good shops in the area.These guys are retards. Store has worst prices in the province. Regularly push pride agenda, and have mental ills work for them. Location is also shit, with no parking.
which makes for a better proxy army to use the cathay range?cities or lumineth?cities feels like it has a better fit for the various rifles and cannons, and obviously the whole army is humans. but lumineth has a better fit for spearmen and archers and the giant spellcasting dragon god
>>97607368Lumineth pre yesterday’s box reveal. CoS work just as well once that box/those units come out
>>97607368I wouldn’t play with someone using humans as elves.
>>97607368Ultimately it will probably be cities if all the rumors are true. There isn't really a Cathay equivalent for the LRL wind temple.
>>97607368Cathay doesn't have a 'spear and shield' unit that isn't peasants, and that doesn't fit the LRL side of things (Jade Warriors have halberds but then you give up the shield)
They retconned Celestant Prime from being a king originating from the Mortal Realms to being once the greatest defender of men during the End Times.Any idea who he was?
>he>is>still>trying
>>97606146I don't buy into the idea that 4e was made with comp in mind because there's just too much shit they scaled down that casuals/streamers complained about like shooting and mortal wounds, book keeping, and added more random elements and the under dog bullshit.If it was done for the sake of "balance" I'm not seeing the results. They stopped doing the meta watches and the game's balance seems about the same as ever if not worse. High end tournament numbers are way down as well. Don't care enough or have the tools available to compare which players played the most in 2e/3e for tourneys and if they're still playing 4e, and how much of it is new blood.I believe they just thought the game was too complicated and wanted to try to bring more people into it. That and a lot of key team members that were involved in the first few editions either retired or quit, so the vision probably isn't as strong on the direction of the game. Doesn't help that they were probably told no on a shit ton of things they had planned because of GW's fuckawful policy on sharing kits between games.
I was gonna say fairys are kinda underutilized in aos but I guess cities do kinda have their own thing going on with the Gargolyians. Still, would be neat for sylvaneth to kinda utilize them, beyond just spites.
>>97605979I'm back, holy fuck OBR countered the fuck out of me. Archers giving anti-regen and dude speared my Ush with reinforced morghasts. And my poor crypt ghouls couldn't break the mortek wall.Also he was doing the AOR for Arkhan where he ate my horse endless spell and fully regen'd those new assassin guys. Conceded at the top of 4 since he basically tabeled me.
>>97607786>I don't buy into the idea that 4e was made with comp in mind because there's just too much shit they scaled downthats generally what comp people want. they want the game solved. The last little bit of randomness is just what most games have.>book keepingThis is the first time I've ever heard this complaint ever. >They stopped doing the meta watchessadly, yeah. Which is sad because I did generally like the thought process they had going on with them. Same for 40k, usually it showed how out of touch the 40k team were with the game most of the time, which was funny. >High end what did you mean by this. Do you mean like big events? I guess, but there is more general tournaments going on globally. There are also spearhead tournaments which probably should be considered. >That and a lot of key team members that were involved in the first few editions either retired or quit, so the vision probably isn't as strong on the direction of the game.Probably yeah, All the effort went into the core rules which no matter what are stellar. but it goes back to the issue that the game is easy to "solve" and the reliance on the under dog to keep it dynamic. > Doesn't help that they were probably told no on a shit ton of things they had planned because of GW's fuckawful policy on sharing kits between games.I agree here, maybe not 100%, but definitely a bit.
>>97607786>I don't buy into the idea that 4e was made with comp in mind because there's just too much shit they scaled down that casuals/streamers complained about like shooting and mortal wounds, book keeping, and added more random elements and the under dog bullshit.And yet "balance" seems to be a thing that modern GW's biggest priority when it comes to books. Which to be faire I don't blame them for since that vast majority of online discourse seems to obsess over balance.
Is the commander of his own personal legion in the form of Null Myriad... RDP score of 3 because... wizard man
>>97607786i think.....how to explain this. it takes 2 seemingly contradictory stances at the same time1: it is pro comp. it just obviously is. all the language and timing has been hyper cleaned up and compartmentalized, the seasonal structure cemented, the objective and scoring mechanics are as gamified as they've ever been with gaming circles. there is zero room for abstract or unclear mechanics.2: the game is VERY anti-spike and anti-johnny. the game has been made anti-johnny via most combos and interactive mechanics, list building and choices having been obliterated or streamlined to the point of being mechanically automatic. spells are down to 3 lores, artifacts and traits down to 3 choices, subfactions down to a single paragraph, heroes dictate units and most armies are heavily incentivised to be low drop, with low unit count and thick reinfoced units. at the same time, ALL of the mechanics in the game have been made anti-spike by way of random rolls for fucking everything 2+ on a d3, 3+ on a d6, reanimation mechanics on a coinflip (they are starting to walk this one back ex; slann), nothing is reliable anymore, thus the well oiled machine of assured victory that spikes love has been replaced with random uncertainty at every cornerso what is it? its a simplified, clarified edition with no room for ambiguity whatsoever, deters complicated or creative interactions, and deters assured victories.its the competitive Timmy edition. as much as those two things, timmy and competitive, sound like oxymorons, here we are
>>976076474e narration, especially that is quite literally an inuniverse character saying it.
>>97608197yeah, nagash also has 3. the other foot wizards have 2. it seems like its just across the board wizard=low RDP. i mean fucking nagash, literal god of all undead, creator and commander of all of them, only has 3.the new rules writers are just fucking stupid
>>97608288> the game is VERY anti-spike and anti-johnny.Oh my god SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP about this myers brigs shit
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>>97607806Blood fairies for DoK
>>97608418Would be fitting.
