Beauty Contest Edition>Previous>>97566232>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>5e Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionThere is a supernatural Beauty Contest. Who do you nominate to represent your tribe/clan/kith/faction/etc?
>>97600281Fairest Romancer of the Spring Court. It's not even a contest.
>>97600307I proceed to trigger the supernatural abuse victim's PTSD and proceed to win once it's disqualified for its fits of hysteria.
>>97600281Any Sidhe. Wins over >>97600307 due to actually being an elf rather than elf rape victim.
>>97600281>TQArchmaster of Life and Prime, easy
>>97600281depends does the nwo or the syndicate decide who wins?
>>97600505All conventions will create a special committee to decide Control has the final say
>>97600546this changes nothing really on the question: are the nwo or the syndicate currently winning their power struggle? Because that decides who gets to decide who wins the contest?it's nice that they give the rest of the lesser conventions the illusion of being included though
Always found it weird how MtA and WtA have tech focused groups(Virtual Adepts and Glass Walkers) and the most intervined to human society and has to interact with the tech the most splat, VtM doesn't have oneNosferatu are masters at tech because they're culturally inclined at it not because they have any abilitiesThe closest one is Path of Technomancy for Tremere which is still extremely rare. And even if they were common it'd be bad writing honestly, Tremere having every niche is just fucking retarded
>>97600621>Tremere having every niche is just fucking retardedWriter's pets
>>97600621in theory, VtM's tech focused group are the neonatesmaking a specific group dedicated to tech would imply these Elders are dedicated to said tech and understand its stakes, undermining this theme of the game imo
A Lostling walks into a bar.The pain reminds the Lostling of when it was raped by a fairy and it goes into a catatonic episode.
>>97600465why prime tho?
>>97600660Who hurt u? Wanna talk 'bout it fren? Me lieks hewping peeps XD:3
>>97600465not mind? you don't need to be the prettiest you just need to win the contest
>>97600281>Who do you nominate to represent your tribe/clan/kith/faction/etc?The character I played, a Fairest Mirrorskin with Striking Looks 2, Presence 5, and Small-Framed. He was always the prettiest one in the room.
>>97600621they tried to the trujah the tech faction in v20, but just like kyasid alchemy it was too little too late and mechanically there was nothing really there
>>97600764tried to make the trujahsorry i am tired pun intended
>>97600683hwnbahf
>>97600281Easy, a Flowering Elemental or Fairest would easily win ovrr any jury by pure power of smelling realy good.
>>97600621Because VtM has a very different outlook on the world and tech than some later games do. VtM was written without any sort of grand cosmic order in mind except maybe a vague notion of God being real. Technology was not some sort of avatar of a cosmic force of progress and civilization, it was technology. It's a tool, a tool that concerningly can allow mortals to narrow the gap between your power and theirs. Good news is that you as a vampire can use technology too, but to do that you have to stay on top of things and not fall into detached apathy as so many vampires do as they age. Making a "tech" discipline is somewhat incongruous with this outlook of VtM's. It's not magic, it's something that puts you and mortals on more even footing. To paraphrase that one Bloodlines loading screen quote, if mortals with pitchforks and torches could threaten vampires a thousand years ago, what could they do today with the vast array of modern weaponry?Anyway I already provided you with a practical solution last thread. Caitiff can, under rare circumstances, create entirely custom disciplines. It's also possible for them to start a tiny bloodline. You can have a technomancy discipline without having to rewrite the entire setting if you want.
>>97600281Fianna Galliard (with all the stupid sex pheromones) but she'd probably get raped by some envious BSD on her way to the contest
Changelingbros, any recommendations for my Ogre? I'm wondering what I should do with him mechanically. While the game itself is mostly using 2e core rules, we're mostly using backported 1e rules for all the Changeling stuff. Some 2e merits could be up for grabs with ST approval though. He's a boogeymanesque vigilante in late Victorian London. He's not that big for an Ogre, and while naturally quite strong I only started with Stone 1, he's best at stealth, intimidation, and combat. My current plan is to focus Stone for a while, at least until Stone 4 and I get the power that lets me rapidly heal while feasting, just to save everyone the headache of having to constantly forage for healing goblin fruit. But am I missing any neat contracts or merits tucked away in a supplement book? It's pretty funny everyone else is talking about their sexy fairest when I'm out here with a horribly ugly ogre.
>>97600281Asking again since thread was dying when I got around to posting.Anyone here have experience running Loom of Fate? Looking to give it a shot with Revised rules, but I'm gonna assume the rotes and numbers don't translate overall (and that's aside the lore changes since 1e).
>>97600393>So which tribe were the first two on the table?Shadow Lord and Glass Walker.>the one that finally got to the table at the end?Black Furies.
>>97601056For ogres you can't go wrong with the heavy weapons merit from hurt locker and a few of the other style merits. Headbut rocks.Otherwise a good hollow with the enhancements to get willpower back without sleeping and goblin fruit will almost always be good. Personaly i like going for a nice car, but that's expensive merit wise. Contract wise, hard to say as i am not realy knowing how you would backport them. I found the 1e contracts pretty sad and barely used them. Back then we mostly relied on Talecrafting and mundane guns to do most of the heavy lifting.
someone in a chatroom said to not look up totentanz so I looked up totentanzhow do I unlook
>>97601728read the whole book
>>97601728Grow a spine.
>>97601728You can't. Accept that this is the true face of the Tzigger.
Why didn't the Lostling cross the road?It was going to, but the road reminded it of the time that a fairy raped it, so it had a meltie instead.
>>97600563The Syndicate of course, NWO is a convention of desk jockeys and expandable muscle. They lack the ability to spot things of true value
>>97601826>>97601728Why do Tzimisce turn themselves into weird inhuman blorbos instead of becoming ascended picturesque gigachads/staceys?
>>97602076dif 9taste
>>97602076Increasing Appearance is basically worthless, there's a reason.
>>97601728Are you friends with a malkavian?>>97601816Wouldn’t 2 spines look weird on him, though?
>>97602384
In an extremely normal CofD session tonight, my vampire with celerity has lost against a mage with luck powers of some sort in a direct competition of Dance Dance Revolution
>>97602747Your misfortune made me laugh, thank you
>>97602747At least it wasn’t Galactic Dance Off
Which is your favorite Mundus Tenebrarum game line and why?>Beast: the Oblivion>Deviant: the Primordial>Geist: the Requiem>Promethean: the Descent>Vampire: the Vigil>Wraith: the LostI have completed the combinations. I hope you enjoyed them.
>>97602076According to the latest canon that talks about it aka dav20 it’s because of kupala’s influence before that it was because of the soul eaters or the eldest , but just like the idea that the eldritch fleshcrafting discipline can not he used to heal (for the same reason by the way) trannys tend to hate that bit of lore
>>97602076Low IQ.
>>97603012Congratulations.
>>97603029>gain mastery over the flesh>use it to only become some Geiger semen demon or a hellraiser fanfic OCThe Eldest must be so disappointed if he weren't a giant psychopathic blob
>>97603180Nah the eldest is into that shit he is the one who killed every methuselah who even thought about moving his brood into another direction The current state of the clan are 100% to his liking and equally his fault
>>97603029Based Kupala
>>97602076Because they are evil. And evil breeds ugliness. And because the Discipline cannot be used to actually make beautiful things, but can only distort what is already there.
>>97603406I'm glad the WoD general has finally accepted that Tziggers are ugly, disgusting, corrupted, ontologically evil beings that probably have space AIDs, and who only use their powers to do fucked up things, and would NEVER join the Camarilla and open a plastic surgery clinic.
How many Lostlings does it take to change a lightbulb?Trick question, no amount of Lostlings can change a lightbulb. The process is so phallic that it reminds of the time that they were raped by fairies and they all run off, screaming and crying and shitting themselves.
>>97602076I guess most just find the peak human form boring after a while
>>97602076because that's a human ideal, not a kindred one
>>97603468Unironically this, BUT>open a plastic surgery clinic.That they would do. Specially if they got to make some trannies.
>>97603214>>97603406>>97603468>>97603518>>97603528There seem to be a lot of differing opinions on this. Curious, yet even young Tzimisce are insane abominations so I don't think it might be related to the time spent being a Tzim, might just be some sort of in-made psychosis like some of you suggest
fun fact about kupala: devil's due heavily implies that kupala real celestial name is beelzebub the lord of flies given that it gives him the crowned fly as heraldryBeelzebub shows up in earlier DTF books but only during pre fall records as one of the Rabisu especially the one who was in charge of working on small beings that feed on corpses which would explain why he is one of the few who figured out how to have vampire thralls and as a devourer he would have the lores (flesh, beasts) that would give him pretty much the same inherent movepool as a tzimisce with only auspex being replaced with plant manipulation which is a power kupala had in earlier vtm books (but then again so was stone manipulation and that's another house's lore)obviously done in post given that devil's due is one of the last books in wod and kupala used to be a talon of the wyrm before that, but i thought that was neatly handled
>>97603700I'm the "evil breeds ugliness" anon, and the reason why I think that Tzimisce never end up becoming "ethereally beautiful" using vicissitude is that Disciple requires a belief that one's own whims are superior to nature, and thus they would NOT favor things like symmetry, smoothness, and wholesomeness of form. Now, add that to the fact that Tzimisce generally Embrace the sickest of sick fucks, AND the nature of vampirism to suck away all the humanity and goodness in a human being, and you get the results of Tzimisce becoming horrifyingly ugly.
Yeren WIP here also
>>97603501>*laughs in Spring Court*
>>97603831monke
>>97603838Yeah, rape is the least likely thing that the Keeper did to cause trauma, but the haters can't pull themselves out of that mindset and think deeper, like how Gristlegrinders had to be living trash disposals, or being trapped as a living statue, unmoving, or being a hunted beast, always on the run from the chase.Even Playmates have Abandonment issues, as they were treated as the Keeper's best friend and partner, and then just got thrown away once they got bored of them.
>>97602076They do, there are Tzimisce that turn themselves or their ghouls extremely attractive for manipulationIdk why all of the replies to this post imply that doesn't exist, it's like saying all Malkavians are like Bloodlines protag when for a lot you wouldn't even be able to tell they have a derangement
>>97603700i am the anon who mentioned dav20 and now that i am on my pc again here is quote for that>Kupala is a poison upon this land. Of that thereis little doubt.We, as inheritors of the land, claim immunity. But, and this is where my thoughts turn dangerous, what if that is not true? What if the Tzimisce are as susceptible to its contamination as everyone else? Certainly the Old Clan have said as much. In the past I scoffed at such a dire claim, but in recent months I have come to reconsider. In my heart I know it is wrong. I know that we are wrong. >I cannot, to this day, reconcile how the great voivodes who rule over the land itself have come to possess a skill as crude and pedestrian as Vicissitude. Moreover, why, when gifted with power over form and flesh and being, do we obsess over the monstrous? Why do we so seldomly create anything of beauty? Yes, the monstrous is fearful, and as I well know, fear has its place in conquest and rulership. And yes, sometimes form befits function, and occasions arise where practicality rules. But why do we embrace the monstrous aesthetic upon our bodies, in our homes, and in our own souls, when clearly we have other options? Why, even when we do attempt beauty does it always possess a certain fearfulness? And, I think, the answer is obvious: Kupala. >We are as poisoned as any other would-be conquerors of these lands. More so even, for while the over-ambitious zeman or even the upstart Tremere (may they die the Hideous Death a thousand times) can simply leave, we have no such luxury. It is Kupala’s great trick to have bound us to the soil of our birth and to him. >Vicissitude cannot be used to heal. Indeed, its very use is often damaging, and always invasive. After, a subject usually needs time to heal from the trauma of their shaping. Unfortunately for them, the physical pain is the least of their worries, a temporary inconvenience compared to adjustment of life within a new, often unrecognizable, body
>>97603838Abbey bros are we going to let this stand?
>>97603899Do you really think you stand a chance against a Fairest who can use the power of the Crown that well against you?
>>97603906Where there's a will, there's a way.
>>97603913>Hedonists>Having willpower against someone with supernatural control over people's ability to resist their charms
>>97603906to be fair, that quote is from 1e, so if anything that Fairest is probably using Contracts of Vainglory. Which, interestingly enough, could do a lot of what's described there. Dot 1 gives bonus dice to general social rolls, and by meeting the Catch of "Pretends to be a socialite or celebrity whose fame comes from status or good looks alone" could spam it glamour free on the entire gangbang. Dot 2, Song of Distant Arcadia would let her add her Wyrd to the Persuasion roll to talk the hunters into the gangbang, and the big one here, dot 3, Splendor of the Envoy's Protection would not only add a +2 bonus to her striking looks on top of whatever she has naturally, it'd make the Hunters unable to harm her. Meaning even when surrounded by Abbey psychos, it only ever goes as far as she wants. Any glamour spent on the latter two powers could easily be made back during the glamour harvesting that no doubt went down during the orgy, if anything she went positive on Glamour gained. which is to say I really don't understand the people who say 1e contracts are useless. They're specific, and few are idiot-proof win buttons, but if you're clever, they're still very good. Which is what I want from my Changeling powers anyway. Specific tricks that reward clever play and "playing to type".
>>97602384>>97602396Nice.Crinos form reminds me of some of the 1st Edition WTA.
>>97603985Would
>>97603831Based.
>>97603831oh nice a Yeren who is not just a brute in a suit
Sex with Eshu women
>>97603880Well, even in bloodlines they do fall you that you "have it bad".
>>97603950It's from 2e actually, Mortal Remains. So chances are she was using Contracts of Spring, which are all about manipulating desire as well as other things. Plus Crown, there's one that prevents anyone in attendance from doing physical harm, for which the Loophole is doing it at an official occasion. If the Abbey lads and lasses have official Friday orgy nights, they just handed themselves to her on a silver platter,
Knock knock.>Who's there?A fairy.>AAAIEEE MY KEEPER'S COME BACK TO RAPE ME OH MY GODDESS I'M GONNA HAVE ANOTHER DURANCE
>>97602076They can and sometimes do use it for good. A talented surgeon is one of the Tzimisce archetypes. The problem lies in the fact that Tziggers mostly embrace misanthropic megalomaniacal psychopaths. To make a "kindhearted, well meaning Tzimisce", means that he should have practically zero relations with his sire and clan (which in turn is difficult to justify due to how much of a control freaks they tend to be) or have insane levels of willpower to resist the molding and manipulation by his sire. And this besides the fact that, again, it would be rare for a dragon to embrace a good person in the first place.
>>97604330Mortal Remains was pre CtL2e though, pre Vigil 2e as well, it was the book for running Vigil with the new CofD core. Mortal Remains dropped in 2014, CtL2e dropped in 2019. Definitely wasn't written with 2e Lostlings in mind. Did the other splats get equivalents to Mortal Remains?
>>97604385And now she's going to rape YOU because she needs the Glamour. Bend over.
>>97604385>>97604523Why don't the Lost just learn to enjoy getting raped by Fae?
>>97604535Same reason True Fae prey on mortals instead of each other, I guess.
>>97604560I could survive getting every orifice turned into a time dilation device mid Fae rape. I may even probably not enjoy it honestly, I'm sure whatever weird practice a Fae has might leave me traumatized it. I suppose it'd be like asking Cthulhu to diddle you with tentacles and then the tentacles come out of your eyeballs and then you vomit up some eldritch polyp-child
>>97601726Heavy Weapons is pretty good, but I'm somewhat iffy on terribly specific fighting styles just because there's plenty of situations where you'll get into a fight without your weapon of choice. At least at my table, fighting under ideal situations is a luxury. Backporting contracts was easy. Most of the work is adjusting cost for the different exp system. Everything else works pretty much as is. Whenever someone says they think the 1e contracts suck I wonder if we're playing the same game, if I'm being perfectly honest. You just gotta use your head. My Ogre's a Farwalker heavily invested in Contracts of Smoke and I'm stacking so many stealth buffs I haven't failed a single stealth roll yet, and the catches are so easy to meet that they're practically free. Oath and Punishment's first dot is reflexive so I can leap at minimum 15 feet without sacrificing my action. Stone 1 is a nice little combat buff and I recently picked up Stone 2 which seems pretty meh until you start thinking outside the box. I like that, even as the strong, physically oriented one, I'm still encouraged to play things smart.
>>976045211e covers everything other than Deviants.
>>97603985Sexo with dog woman
Seriously, how the fuck does one run a W20 game in New Orleans? Or any splat? There's so much cross-splat shit in such close proximity, and its not even like you can ignore the other splats. The Garou story is intrinsically tied to the Kindred and Mages in the area.My head fucking hurts.
Hedgefag, what happened to him
>>97604667Include the shit you want to run, remove the shit you aren't interested in running.Why do you need people to tell you this? If you're completely unwilling to deviate from canon in order to produce a better chronicle for your group, you shouldn't ST at all.
>>97604677Seconding. Cross splat is only real if you want it to be. White Wolf themselves explicitly say in the Revised VTM ST guide to erase any of their official characters and lore from existence at your table if it's getting in the way of what you want to do with your chronicle. Or kill them off. Or do whatever you want with them. They explicitly approved of "your table, your WoD".
>>97604677>>97604732Thirding.
>>97604603My gripe with vontracts in 1e was always that i ended up with a lot of contract dots i only had to buy to get the ones i wanted, meaning i ended up with a bunch of powers i didn't feel like they would fit my character concept at all. That and paying for things you don't even want just feels bad.Power level wise it's odd, some 1e contracts clearly are just filler, but others are even more broken than 2e ones. For me Regalia work pretty well as i like the flexibility of just picking up something that in 1e was a 3rd dot clause without needing to get anything else. I distinctly remember being disappointed with the 1st dot of Elements in 1e very often, for example. Then again, i bought way to many Tokens in 1e, maybe investing some of the exp from them into contracts might have changed my mind back then. Besides that:Improvised weapons are great for ogres. Take the merit that takes away the penalty for them being improvised (should be in hurt locker i think) and just rip out street signs to use as a 2 handed battlemace. Or beat someone to death with their easier grabbed buddy. Promethean also has a great combat style merit (brute force or something) that is even recommended to use in (i think) grim fears for ogres (at least an example ogre has it at 3 dots). Or use the martial art of hiding landmines and explosives in your enemies bedroom like a normal faerie.
>>97600621>Tremere having every niche is just fucking retardedAnd yet it's a constant, because even in Awakening they are DaveBs pet legacy who were once a whole order unto themselves and eat and erase other more interesting Reapers for the sake of their lame, unnecessary overwroughth goals.
>>97603468It's other way around. It was accepted in the earlier days. V5 rebranded them as chuddy autistic control freaks, instead of flesh crafting monstrosities (which pleases me greatly. Necroscope Tziggers were cringe)
>>97604385>>97604523>>97604535>>97604560>>97604575>Unimaginative retards who think Rape is the only thing keepers doAgain, it's the least likely means of abuse. But hey, you keep being fanboys of the Otherkin game where doing taxes kills your fairy soul.
>>97603012>>Wraith: the LostA game of lost souls?
>>97605162That sounds pretty Dark.
Both CofD and WoD fae are dick, just in different ways
>>97605153Alright fine, I'm sure I'll survive some dickish elf alien telling me of all the times I've fumbled my social interactions throughout my past and future (and blown out of proportions) while it also mocks my deepest insecurities but then pretends to be a friend who understands and supports me until it kills itself to further traumatize me and then the corpse starts mocking me for hoping I could have real friends or something Rape is just a lot funnier and easier to write imo
>>97605201Everyone is a dick to a homosexual tzismisce
>>97605323>Tzim with no fleshcrafting>Can't just will itself into a manV5 was a mistake, as always
>>97603700You are beyond human. Why would you settle for human standards of beauty? Would you care if a cow wanted you to be on 4 legs and eat grass? Fuck no.
>>97605420>how bro felt after saying that
>>97604752>>97604732>>97604677Bruh. What you're all failing to consider is that I want to use that shit. I want to use Mage and Kindred in a Werewolf story, I find the plotline as established in New Orleans by Night interesting. I am definitely not afraid of deviating from canon, there's barely any to begin with you lovably autistic retards, I was just bitching about the city being so dense.
>>97603831Thank you drawGOD.Didya ever finish the O'Tolley's piece with the freakishly tall manager?
>>97605455Just use it then. Run into a snag? Fuck it, pretend it doesn't exist and fill it in with some occult movie or franchise you like later
Inside of you, there are two Lostlings.One is screaming incessantly about the fairy that raped it.So is the other.
>>97605665Both are raping you.
>>97605847That's obvious though, why else would they be inside you? The abused typically become abusers.
>>97605665>>97605876Have you tried just saying no?
Fae? Silly tales for children
>>97605665>>97605847>>97605876>>97605959>When you have only one joke and have to run it into the deepest mines
>>97606042There's only one joke to make about such a one-dimensional game.
>>97606042Suggest a new one for Lost. Fae debt slavery?
>>97605230>Lost players think this type of shit is “le traumatizing”>Doesn’t even hold a candle to a typical Sabbat packAre CofD mortals just a bunch of pussies?
>>97605230>Bro just described a WtO Shadow like we wouldn’t notice
>Hunter code is appearing in the new captchaA-anons???
>>97606270OP here. I didnt mention it before but that beauty contest was sponsored by Ashwood Abbey
>>97606240I'm not even sure where that comes from, a "Durance" is more like slavery, not random torture. That's where the Seemings and Kiths come from, what kind of role they had in Arcadia, like princess, monster, force of nature, etc. That's also why some people are loyalists, because maybe they preferred that role.
>>97606324>I'm not even sure where that comes from>When the game pretty explicitly states they created their court system specifically because, and based on, their trauma???
>>97606270Take your meds NOW!!!
>>97606270Creed? It better not be Mercy
>>97606240>>97606261I thought it was imaginative :(
>>97603012>>Promethean: the DescentA game of plunging literally downward and trying to retain your sanity and humanity
>>97605461Oh I've been picking away at it since the last update. Here you go!
>>97606724Looking good.
When was the last time you had a permanent animal sidekick?
>>97606052Sure, if you actually ignore everything the game is actually about to keep repeating something it's not about.
>>97606349The Courts are also about opposing the very nature of the Gentry. Sharing power by rotating the Courts, unity and diversity in working together, and playing to your strengths and covering others' weaknesses.
>>97606865You're crying almost as much as Lostlings cry about being raped by fairies.
>>97606905Still mad that Lost is way more popular than Otherkin: The Glamourboming?
>>97606926I guess when you're incapable of defending your fairy rape game, edition warring is all you can do.
>>97606270And nothing of worth has changed.
>>97606724Now draw him giving birth!
>>97606040The final boss of the Syndicate/Ministry of Mammon.
>>97606941Says the guy flat-out lie-memeing because he's edition-warring.
>>97606724I said it before and I'll say it again: still a better place to frequent and work in than the average Popeye's.
>>97607103Don't be so insecure. There's nothing wrong with playing a game all about pretending to be a victim of fairy rape.
>>97607103>>97607135So you guys want to talk about the Lost? I need some ideas for my next game and I want to do something besides stealing ideas.
>>97607235>PicWOW! Whats that beautiful new carpet for my palace that my eyes are seeing?
>>97607350>v*vzie garbageNot worthy even to clog the sewers
>>97604878Could just be a game of different mindsets and different tables. I don't begrudge people who prefer 2e CtL, it's just not what I want from my 'lings. I've been up to some heinous shit with Disabling Tactics + Strength Performance as far as fighting merits go. When you can almost certainly arm wrack an enemy's weapon arm, there's very little they can do against you. Part of me is even considering Close Quarters so I can stack stealth bonuses even further but that seems almost unnecessary.Also, not explicitly related but to the rest of the thread, the guy who is screaming about rape is just trolling for (you)s, ignore him. My Ogre's whole durance was about being a mix of an attack dog and bounty hunter for a Fae that got him on an absurd technicality. He's now trying to use his boogeyman powers for good by cleaning up the natural and supernatural crime in London.
>>97607369Hi pot, meet kettle.
>>97607428>Could just be a game of different mindsets and different tables.There is a reason why 2e ended up as it did, it tried to adress some of the major gripes people had with 1e.
>>97607475And in the process disappointed the people who didn't have "major gripes" with 1e.
>>97607475I mean, there's also how a lot of 1E's design came about because Requiem 1E acted as a much harder-fixed design template for all splats in 1E.In 2E they felt like they could branch out and do things differently in a way that feels better fit to each splat. That and opening up Merit design space a lot more meant way more interesting variation in how characters could be built.>>97607502Yeah, but it also didn't magically replace their 1E books, either.
>>97607532>Yeah, but it also didn't magically replace their 1E books, either.Yeah, I agree. That's why it's a good thing that CofD 2e stopped being developed by Paradox. We've already got all of the books we need and they're not going to be magically deleted, so it's good that they're focusing on a different product for a different audience. We've already got everything we need.
Any recommendations on where to find WoD games not full of annoying queers and enby types?
>>97607559Paradox stopped new approvals because they realized Hunter 5 was just a garbage version of Vigil 2E and didn't want any more internal competition, even though it was basically free money from the license royalties.
>>97607648And that's a good thing. It's not like H5 is magically replacing HtV2e, after all.
>>97607634>Any recommendations on where to find WoD games not full of annoying queers and enby types?Here is basically your only shot.
>>97607681I'd rather run a game for a thousand annoying queers and enby types than try to run a game for you fags, with all of your weird takes, white room bullshit and unrelenting autism.
>>97607669Eh, remind me when they do anything worth talk about.
>>97607689In that case go to the white wolf discord or something.
Would
>>97607690Alternatively, "your criticism doesn't matter because you still have the books of the thing you would rather play" is a silly and meaningless thought-terminating cliche used to shut down discussions without engaging with the actual criticism being made.
Does anyone know where this image is from?
>>97607704No thanks, I already have my own group. Just making the point that as entertaining as all of you are to banter with, you're the last people I'd ever want to actually play WoD or CofD with.
>>97607689I've played enough dnd with randos to know that playing with those types is only tolerable until someone self implodes over some stupid perceived microaggression. Either that, or the game is intolerably boring because the rest of the party is resolving their dysphoria through their characters while the dm whose only creative inspiration is marvel movies plods us through the most uninspired milquetoast campaign everI'm not an autistic chud who wants free license to try to rape random npcs I just want to play a game with people who have any actual spark of creativity and aren't just troons larping having tits and dealing with their unresolved daddy issues
>>97607738>people who have any actual spark of creativityYou won't find any of those here.
>>97607669>And that's a good thing.It really isn't. No matter how much you want to whine about how you don't like 2E.
>>97607725If your only argument is "I'd rather just play the older version I already have" then why shit on other people who enjoy the newer version? Just enjoy your version, don't buy the newer one, and let the people who do like the newer version enjoy that.
>>97607889Not OP but when you split the playerbase between editions one will eventually inevitably end up winning out- and the winner is more often than not the more recent one regardless of whether it's better or worse than the older edition
>>97607889The argument is "the latest version lacks a reason to be played over its predecessors." to the point you might as well just get mortal rules in a free supplement and spare the cash.
>>97607730I think that's Jazal, a MtG character
>>97607669isn't that the idea though?
Which came first, the Lostling or its Keeper?The Lostling, because it secretly has a fetish for being raped by fairies.
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>>97607996>Major overall improvements and fixes to the mechanics>They proved with the free God-Machine Rules Update that the system needed a new edition to properly implement all of the changes>They had more room to change and improve the various splats than they did in 1EAs someone who's played several campaigns in both editions, 2E was worth it.
>>97607475Yeah sure, but I don't think such an extreme change to the template and how it played was necessary. Requiem and Forsaken managed to unfuck their issues and give the template a facelift without feeling like entirely different games. Anyway, this argument is played out. We agree they're very different games in practice. I might like one, you might like another. What I find the most lamentable is how the radically different editions effectively killed substantive CtL discussion. Because they practically play out so differently, one needs to qualify which edition they're talking about for the purpose of play. Which in turn makes some posters feel obligated to defend their preferred edition, as if the existence of different tastes necessitates an attack on what they like. Even if it were not the case, it splits the CtL fanbase into two camps, limiting the amount of people who can reply and discuss.
>>97608268yeah but clearly not everyone agrees with you given there's a large contingent of people who stick to 1e Lost even if they've updated everything else to 2e at their table. You don't see any people doggedly sticking to Forsaken, Vigil, or Requiem 1e (well there was one guy here who hated 2e Requiem but I haven't seen him for a while). I dunno why a dude can state in his post "I prefer this, but no hate to people who like the other thing" and some mfs still turn it into an edition war.
>>97607735what about a game full swarthoid queers that say slurs like spic faggot or the N word? but otherwise are not too salty about WOD
>>97608294Probably because Lost was the one that could benefit most from a drastic design change, but let's be fair, the biggest complaint/whine is how hard Pledgecrafting was nerfed, because of how OP and cheap it was in 1E.
>>97607735>to banter withYou call this banter?
>>97608310the only people I have ever seen talk about OP pledgecrafting are 2e defenders, and the typical 1e defender argument is that 2e's got too many cheap and easy brute force win powers. I don't think you're trying to be fair, I think you're either trying to pot stir for (you)s or win points for your preferred edition.
>>97607050>The final boss of the SyndicateThat's the Bog twins. Sunday is an NWO spook.
>>97608325I've seen plenty of people on here arguing that they didn't like how it had been nerfed, you're just trying to stir shit with your "1E is the only good version" shit stirring.
Ogre Anon here. This kind of stuff is why I barely talk about my games here anymore. I'm just trying to have fun, only brought up the weird 1.5 rules we were using for clarity's sake since I was asking for mechanical ideas. Can we stop sperging out about differences in taste? It seems like that's all this general does any more.
>>97607282Welfare queen.
>>97608338>for clarity's sakeVery poor choice of words, Changeling boy!
>>97608338>Can we stop sperging out about differences in taste? It seems like that's all this general does any more.It's not like there's any new content to talk about, since Paradox's 5E stuff is bad and super slow to release, WoD stuff is fixed in time, with the last released new content being 22 years old (and 20th stuff just being a superbook of the three editions' lore and Revised rules), and CofD not likely to ever get any more books again.And 4chan's setup promotes angry arguments over reasonable discussion.
>>97608350Heh, good one. So far we've been very lucky on the clarity rolls. I fear when we'll start doom spiraling.
>>97608360That's one of the things I like in 2E, that Clarity is a damage track that can heal without XP expenditure, and your Wyrd level determines how risky attacks on it are.
>>97600281https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIFrzuGjyWo
>>97608356At least we can all circle-jerk over how much we hate the WoD5 stuff.
>>97608356Doesn't CofD get a few releases a year from Onyx Path doing some crowdfunding or fan content?
>>97608438It's all through StV and I dunno what's going on with it. There were some StV 2e clanbooks for Requiem that were pretty good. I recall hearing something about Forsaken as well but dunno what came of it.
>>97608438no only fan content now(and the last what 4 years? 5?) sometimes that fan content is made by former writers, but they have to sell it on stvvauls just like us normies if we want to sell homebrew and due to the fact that it's not made by onyx path officially the budget is like 3 dollars and half a dream
>>97608438>>97608445paradox is not greenlighting anything cofd related and hasn't for years. The stuff on the STVault is mostly just the writers throwing the stuff they been writing and playtesting for books that never got greenlit unto the plattform made for fan content so even that is drying up
>>97608438StV stuff, even if it's from the actual writers, is considered "fan works" and not a retail release like the books you can buy on DTRPG.
>>97608445I see, thank you for the information anon.>>97608449>nanofiber budgetWell, it is what it is sometimes.>>97608464>>97608465Unfortunate but it is what it is. Maybe some day the IP will be back in good hands. There's thankfully some decent indie or "indie" games for the franchise, like a new VtM almost visual novel. We can hope that until some time comes when Paradox is no longer retarded the fans will keep the franchise alive. Or maybe you can just astral project to a timeline where it isn't in shit hands?
>>97608486Well, at this point OPP is moving on from the setting and just creating a competing game that they don't need to pay Paradox any money for.
>>97608522Curseborne, innit?
>>97608529Yep.
>tqI nominate the local tard wrangler.
>>97608522I really hope that game will turn out good, but I doubt it'll ever quite be WoD. This is fine of course, both games can have their appeal. Tbf I do like that curseborne is innately more of a multisplat game
>>97608567>Tbf I do like that curseborne is innately more of a multisplat gameWhich is actually kind of full circle, since WoD was inspired by Nightlife, a game that had a few books and three editions in three years that White Wolf Magazine wrote reviews on before they became a studio, which was basically a bunch of different monster types and the club scene in NYC they partied in.
>>97608583Both things can be true>t. Wyrm enjoyer
>>97607996Wow, thank you for reminding me how generic and uninspired everything about V5 is. Literal call of duty goons.
>>97608588We went from Kino Blade/Matrix wannabe's to tacticool spooks. I genuinely think to ask myself sometimes which retard at Paradox thinks this is a cool aesthetic without any of the hardline paramilitary shit you see in games like FEAR or Trepang. It just isn't a cool aesthetic innately without a solid theme keeping it together, like honestly even a normie swat squad has a more intimidating presence
>>97603012>>Beast: the OblivionI bet a lot of people wish this game had been cast into oblivion!
>>97608676>I genuinely think to ask myself sometimes which retard at Paradox thinks this is a cool aesthetic without any of the hardline paramilitary shit you see in games like FEAR or Trepang.What did those two do right that Bloodlines 2 did wrong?
>>97608734I think FEAR's great thing was the way you were basically an unstoppable super soldier when it came to fighting the normal enemies, but as soon as Alma shows up you can do nothing but run. It's also how it lets you find the lore bits hidden around that reveal why you're so special, why she keeps showing up around you.
>>97608734>FEARSuits are incredibly bulky, visors and helmets don't do the silly eye glow except when it comes to the super futuristic shit that they go all out with, doesn't look like weird gimp outfits. If I had to say the difference, it's that FEAR actively tries to not be tacticool, it takes a relatively sensible approach to a paramilitary organization with only occasional eye glow. Also, no ugly vambraces. It is a military tactical aesthetic done right, and this is before discussing the goons having a lot more personality because of the more intimate nature of FEAR's gunplay>Trepang2This is tacticool done right in the same way these guys (Bloodlines 2) wanted to do, but without trying to come across as excessively cool. Suits are pretty colorful overall because the game knows and tries to be a game instead of an experience, but I won't fault Bloodlines 2 or Trepang2 for that as it's just the nature of the game design. It's simply got the military aesthetic with some cool shit going on but without looking like a nerd's idea of "damn, this aesthetic goes so hard."Don't get me wrong, the AIO has some cool design and has potential but soulless corporate tacticool spooks isn't nearly that good of an aesthetic without gravitas behind it or ways for it to be differentiated from other forces. In a way, the IAO feels like a parody of the CT from CSGO and CS2 rather than a cool group of hunters.
