Breaching the Bastion edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread>>97609814>Thread QuestionWhat do you think of the new Cathayan rules?
>>97619207Yes indeed, looks like there's some cool art in the new book other than the cover. Seen partially in the background here.
>>97619472>TQMeh overall Probably best for the game, doubly so for my wallet too, I guess. I’ll probably mess with battlemarch if I can but I won’t be buying the aj, or the new models. Maybe the gunners later on.
Man, they really don't know how to write this faction, they're completely out of touchIs it even working at getting money from the goddamn chinks?
>>97619504Fair, although I think the peasants will end up being way better than the guns but time will tell.>>97619518Can you help me identify this Perry halfing sculpt?
>>97619531Perryfag has totally buck broken this poor bitch
>>97619489Jezzails are probably still better. They might actually charge into a light harasser like Cav or dogs. If they made the shield the same as this new Cathay one they are definitely better.>>9761944110 peasants at 50 pts10 shots at 4 = 55 vs T 3 = 2.5T4 = 1.66T5+ = .89Crane guns are good, but it's really only the AP and monster killing that matters for it. The peasants are better at their relative costs.
>>97619504Honestly I think it's best that the rules are middle of the road. People should pick their faction based on the flavor they like, not based on some meta need to win.
>>97619538He has accused me of being perryfag like twice in the last 48 hours. Bro is actually a schizo paranoid
>>97619540Oh, shit warbows not shortbows. Still get skirmish tho as well, so the -1 against ranged matters for them too.
Ill probably have to remove the cocoon, but im thinking about using this for my baggae train for wood elves. Have we heard any rumors on them by chance?
>>97619486This arts really uh....well its something. I guess white noise fits it the best imo.
>>97619531That's no Perry sculpt, I'm afraid, you can tell by the misshapen ahistorical proportions of the poor sod, it looks like a mantic sculpt, but it's kind of a let down, so we may call it a manlet, in a way.But my question stands, is cathay even seeing a boost in sales from the asian markets? because we're assuming the tone deaf almost propagandistic fluff of the faction comes from an attempt to please that market, but is it actually working?
>>97619486While I'm not fond of the cover, I like the art that's in the background there. I'm rooting for the marauders!
>>97619603>I'm rooting for the marauders!>This leads into the narrative section, in which we learn of the events immediately prior to Arcane Journal: Dawn of the Storm Dragon and gain insight into how the armies of the Northern Province deal with the hordes of Kurgan Marauders and the hosts of Chaos Warriors and Knights that constantly assail the Great Bastion. More importantly, we discover that on the rare occasions when these enemies are able to breach Grand Cathay’s defences and march boldly across the lands of the Celestial Dragon, they do not do so unopposed.so they breach the thing, push inland, get repelled and then the jade dragon sends miao to marienburg
>>97619574apparently they are to get some sort of quasi starter set against tomb kings no idea on the contents
>>97619486I did like the current main TOW artist of L J Koh, but it was a bit oddthat he was the only artist working on TOW, especially when all his portfolio artwork is HH
>>97619634>>97619486is he the one whose doing the box art too?
Seeing how the aesthetic of chaos as a faction has changed over the years is pretty interesting. Compare and contrast this piece with the cover art for the new AJ.
>>97619649>interesting personally I enjoyed it more when it was more imaginative than just having the models in my face. But thats just my own humble opinion.
>>97619657Interesting can mean good just as much as it can mean bad, anon. For what it's worth, I agree with you.
>>97619648at least some of them like the Black Orcs, and Demigryph Knightshere a link to his Artstation page >https://kheljay.artstation.com/
>>97619649I've seen a similar shift happen to undeath and other factions, artworks used to push boundaries and depict a world that's far larger than the models, then came an unnecessary attempt at realism, then came much lower quality depictions of said realism
>>97619486also now that I'm looking at it more closely, why do those chaos warriors have spears? Those aren't halberds.
>>97619472The new rules are fine (even if jezzails should be 20ppm+ imo)I still think baloons, the sentinel and shugengan need smacked about with the nerf bat. Or at least "they need weaker magic weapons" in the case of the shugengan.
>>97619706because those are all marauders.
>>97619710Marauders can't take spears, anon.
>>97619721can you point out where you see this spear then? The arts honestly kinda messy the more I look at it. Cant really make out whats what.
>>97619710Marauders dont have spears either. Maybe ungors? Or artistic license. >>97619649Using that piece to represent "the aesthetics of chaos" feels a tad disingenuous. Thats blanche stuff stuff(?), which while certainly very influential on the aesthetics of warhammer was always kind of its own thing. It was "dreamlike", a representation of the emotions of warhammer rather than how warhammer ever actually looked.
>>97619649>Compare and contrast this piece with the cover art for the new AJ.The biggest difference would be the change in the aesthetics of the wall theyre fighting. From something that looks like what you would expect from 40ks terra to a fantasy chinese fortress. Beyond that both pieces basically just paint what the chaos warrior models of the time look like.
>>97619729seven gorrillion hours in mspaintThose are spears, anon! Chaos warriors with spears! We haven't seen that in almost forty years.
>>97619754The one on the right looks like a halberd. But honestly? I would be down for WoC getting spears. Why not? Give marauders spears too while youre at it.
>>97619757>Give marauders spears too while youre at it.which they didn't do for whatever reason
>>97619754The one closest to the cover looks like he’s mounted. The stuff on the right just looks like piles but that’s generally purposeful messy art. Stuff on left yeah that probably can’t be unmounted knights. Although the banner man also seems to be on a horse. Idk. Personally I’d rather see chaos warriors get great weapons than spears. It’s just…not a chaos weapon imo.
>>97619771Pikes* not piles.
>>97619472I like the art, just wish it weren't cathay again
>>97619765Same reason they didnt give them two hand weapons. Theyre stupid. Seriously how can you not take khorne marauders with two axes? How is that an illegal loadout?
>>97619771They... already have those.The only weapon options chaos warriors lack are flails and spears, the rest (great weapons, halberds, paired hand weapons) they have.
>>97619797anon, didnt you know? Norsca doesn't have khorne marauders, they have *animal that is associated with murder* marauders instead.
>>97619799arent chosen the only ones with great weapons?
This thread has become so mediocre
>>97619804Yea they call khorne the hound, whatever. How can they not take two axes? Thats like, the whole aesthetic?And why cant berserkers take great weapons? And why are berserkers s3 t4? Theyre BERSERKERS they should be s4 glass cannons!>>97619810Nope. The chosen models have great weapons (both the new plastic ones and the old metal ones), but chosen and chaos warriors have the same weapon options.
>>97619812Fimir soon anon
>>97619824If we get fimir before skullcrushers I will shit in your kettle.
>>97619815>Yea they call khorne the hound, whatever. How can they not take two axes? Thats like, the whole aesthetic?They plan on selling you phobos marines, I mean the REAL berserkers with the rest of the norscan™ range later on! >>97619829better get that kettle ready. At best we'll get arbal.
>>97619836Jokes on them, im going to use arabian dancer slaves as my berserkers.
>>97619824We need them. I love rape, stylistically of course
Are hounds running with chariots still a valid strat this edition like in 6th? Questioning if I should get a box o doggies
>>97619754The tall one I assume is a Knight who's horse you can't see holding a lance.
>>97619782Then celebrate because this is almost certainly the final Cathay release until the next edition of TOW.
>>97619935Hounds are good and will probably remain good as long as the game remains vaguely recognizable as WHFB. Chariots are currently iffy.
>>97619486The piece in the back is the first TOW commissioned art that really makes me feel like I am looking at proper Fantasy again. We have come very far from the very mediocre art on the Bretonnian/Tomb King launch boxes.
>>97619969What do you like about it anon? Personally I find it incredibly messy, and not in a chaotic way, more in a sense that the artist feels burnt out.
>>97619992Nta but the chaos/mess is the point, it feels like a brawl, like a wild and dirty clash between two desperate forces that evokes the same sort of frantic energy as the stuff you would see from dainton back in 7th.
>>97620026It doesn’t register like that to me. There’s barely any interaction or motion going on there, which personally, to me, is weak. It doesn’t even really scream warhammer to me between the marauders and the peasants, I would have liked to see something more chaotic like lancers charging down the stairs or even flanking the marauders, but no. It’s the most obvious “two most recent products here interacting”. It feels forced and staged more than anything. There’s not even a single dead body to be seen. It’s completely neutral.
>>97620056You would like to see cavalry charging down stairs in what appears to be packed siege warfare?
>>97620026I agree completely, I don’t see what >>97620056 is getting at. To me it reminds me a lot of some mid hammer pieces.
WoC players what do you use as screens? I'm sick of my cool units being shot to pieces on the way up the board, so I think I need some skirmishers. What do you like to use?
>>97620074Anon, you have like two options. Chaos Warhounds or Marauder horsemen. You can use either one, but there really arent many more options. You could technically have skirmishing marauders in front of your warriors, but given theyre the same speed (and both melee infantry) thats iffy imo. Just take 2-4 warhound units and 2~ marauder horseman units.
They should give WoC harpies. That would be fun and balanced I think.
>>97620060Yes, that’s awesome. That’s warhammer. It’s something you wouldn’t expect on a normal siege but would be capable of doing so on something as supposedly large as Cathy’s wall.
>>97620056>There’s barely any interaction or motion going on thereAnon are you serious? Everyone is mid swing, desperately hacking and lunging or thrusting to defend. Theres a general(?) dude jumping down the stairs to fight some sort of marauder champion.
>>97620102Cathays wall is the thing in the new AJ art. Its not The Wall from ASOIAF
Never buying from fireforge again. What you see here isn‘t me not thining my paints, but a terrible product with uneven surface and a fuck ton of bubbles. They are as bad as the resin night goblin commando unit.
>>97620080Both? It may be my inexperience talking but that feels like a lot. Do you really find ~4ish skirmishers useful?
Anyone have cool models for Forsaken of Khorne? Doing a 4x God list and thinking of doing 8 of the Forsaken
>>97620074Marauder horsemen
Believe
>>97620112>Everyone is mid swingThats the key statement here. Thats one of the many issues with modern warhammer art. Everyone's mid something, but they are never, EVER allowed to be impacted with something. Arrows aren't allowed to be let loose, swords are never allowed to hit their marker, no one is allowed to react. As I said before, its neutral, although thinking about it, thats probably not even the best word to describe it. If they were neutral you could at least let your imagination wander, here your being led on kiddie wheels as to imagine whats going to happen, of which is sorely limited. Pic related is better, its one of the few pieces of art I've saved of modern warhammer where it at least does neutrality best, and even then you can see a recuperation of a second wind, which is more evocative to the imagination than generic battle number 12850. You can see the soldiers here, as I said before try and catch a second wind, a corpse, you see their gaze on plauge bearers you can also see where they ARENT paying attention to, namely the great unclean one, Which makes me wonder, why arent the soldiers reacting to it? Is it actually there? Are they under nurgles spell? maybe its supposed to mean how encroached they are under the eye of nurgles corruption? I can ask so many more questions of this piece of work, like how are the soldiers going to get out of this situation, will they have to give one of themselves up for the other to actually leave? Where the hell is my mind supposed to wander with >>97619486 >>97619472? This one >>97619634 I still dont exactly like, ship could have taken more liberties imo, and I generally dont like the aesthetic chaos, or rather marauders have gone with, but I can at least ask, "where have these guys landed"? Which is a strong message to lead with chaos.
Also I refuse to believe Dark Elves are not coming, hints+the upcoming book. It's a lock at this point.
>>97620239>raiders and reavers oh cool so yin-yin is dealing with more norscans.
>>97620117yeah you're right. The wall is much more fantasy oriented than the floating islands and supposedly 150 iq generals that lead cathay. something like cavalary is WAYYYYYYYYY out of the question for the super serious grounded the old world. Perish the thought, its not like it was ever flirted with in romance in the three kingdoms at least once or twice when siege towers were countered with horsemen as drastic measures.
>>97619472Huge fan of the multiple balloons getting BTFO in this art.
They probably should have given us side shots of the new models sooner instead of doing a really bad copy paste photoshop job from the angle facing the tower shield. These look great, but you wouldn't have known it before this pic.
>>97620278>floating islandsI need to play a game on a table like this, with the islands moving around 2D6" scatter dice each turn
>>97620551The floating islands remind me of Nagrand, before WoW went do complete shit.
I got a bunch of daemons... And I wanted to use them in 40k, AOS and TOW. If they were going on round bases, how fucked out of TOW does that make me for sizing things?I'm going to guess that unit trays can help circle infantry, but what about something like a Skull Cannon?
>>97620571Conversion trays will help you the entire way. https://forge.miniwargaming.com/collections/rank-and-flank-movement-trays?page=1 is where I bought my movement trays from.
>>97620571Daemons are on 32mm rounds for AoS and 40kids. They are TOO big for TOW. I rebased all mine to 30mm squares
>>97620571you can magnetize the models and bases, the only demon model I can think of thats a pain to do that for would be the blood thirster.
>>97620582They make those too believe it or not
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>>97620598I'm honestly so curious how this works unless they're alternating heights which are versions I have seen.
>>97619824Sure, ss soon as you can come up with an actual number of units beyond 'slave fimm' and 'big fimm'
>>97620643>Fimir Warrior>Fimir Shaman>Fimir Levy>Fimir Bogsworn>Fimir State Missile TroopsThe possibilities are endless.
>>97620555It's a pretty common motif in the genre of fantasy
>>97620607like i said here >>97619540I think the Jezzails are slightly better. Warband and move 5 means they can charge a fair distance in a pinch. Tower Shields are better because they count as shields (which makes the light armor just a fuck you against being shot but whatever) and if they change Pavise to be the same I think its a good point comparison. Ambush is pretty much a complete trap for the crane gunners as I pointed out last thread, but the reserve move is well worth the points.
>>97620239Oh cool so we're abandoning the time of the 3 emperors to focus on cathay>3 new dragons and their armies>ship based delves>monkey King>warpstone ogres
>>97620735Yeah. Ogres are a lock. You did buy the ogre spearheads before they went out of production right?
PtraI should have bought that lone NIB 2005 ushabti model that guy was selling for only 25 bucks a month ago.
just want a nice gyrobomber, maybe a flame cannon for the dorfs. And maybe a woodland lord for the welfs.
>wood elf beast pack>105 bucksDamn gw you really charging Starter Box prices for some animals huh. It's a shame because it's hard to source good animals for my jungle and forest diorama terrain.
>>97620766>It's a shame because it's hard to source good animals for my jungle and forest diorama terrain.I’d say go to dollar store or whatever your equivalent is but I don’t know if they still sell toys anymore.
>>97620702I would trade an ungodly niche rerollable charge over the ability to wheel after I shoot so I can shoot the next turn which actually comes up with them because I actually have experience with them
How will they make money from TOW without more cathay releases?
>>97620735WOOHOOO MORE WHACKY GIMMICK FACTIONS LIKE AOS!!!!
>>97620782How many times are you going to samefag?
>>97620239imagine not believing Delves are coming by the end of summer. Couldn't be me.
>>97620802I don’t know when but I am certain that dark elves are inevitable. I am less certain that ogres are inevitable which is a shame because that was the army I started Fantasy with as a kid.
>>97620742NTA but I still have Ogres from 8th ed on square bases in storage. If the fat boys get to come back in force then I will gladly run the meat avalanche again even if monstrous infantry is pretty shit right now.
>>97620837I’m pretty sure the base sizes are the same in TOW as they were in 8th no? (40mm for your standard ogre?). You could always run them as legacy just to have more variety.
>>97620818My logic is that typically the BL novels come out after the product they support, and they hit mass retailers after they hit GW stores. So realistically the battalion box would have to be at least two months before the book hits Barnes and Noble.With that in mind, the Battalion box would be a great "big" release in the release doldrums that typically come immediately before or after a big 40k launch box.Therefore, I predict that Dark Elfs launch this year either May or July.My logic is flawless, it will happen
>>97620774I went to hobby lobby 2 months ago, they don't sell SHIT anymore. It sucks because when I was younger I lived like 10 minutes from a hobby lobby and they had a bunch of discounted warhammer stuff, which was good because my mom never let me get a license as a teen so I couldn't drive 25 minutes to the GW store. And then I realized I could just gorder stuff on ebay.
>>97620735Just wait until they replace Vampire Counts with Jade Blooded Vampires.And I don't think we're abandoning the Empire as much as them dumping a bunch of lore out to validate Cathay as a faction but because they don't do army books they had to put out a bunch of arcane journals to fill that gap. And even than this last one wasn't planned originally but decided after they saw the new minis.
>>97620776Oh, no question there. But a flat -3 and magical attacks for those rare instances it matters is a better weapon. 19 vs 18 does put the rats 1 pt higher without reserve move, but it's not nearly as far out as people think. Just another notch to saying skaven need some help balancing.
>>97620735>>97620782GW wants to replace Ogors in AoS with some other thing, probably something retarded like cow men. But then bring Ogres to TOW with Dark Elves.Monkey king seems like he'll be like the Tigers and get a few datashets of monke and then monke himself.
>>97619735That the art we get nowadays lacks that dreamlike quality is a statement regarding the shift in the aesthetics of not just Chaos but the game as a whole in and of itself, anon. That being said, if you take issue with that specific piece, here's another. I'm not sure if either of these pieces were done by Blanche, but for the sake of argument let's say they may have been. He was credited on the book these were taken from, after all! My point was more about how the chaos warriors were depicted then versus how they're depicted now, specifically with regards to how elements from marauders (or chaos thugs, I suppose, see picrel), such as the furs, viking aspects, etc. were transplanted on to the chaos warriors of now. The chaos warriors of then were inhuman warriors clad in cold eldritch steel. They didn't need furs and cloaks to keep themselves warm because they were beyond such pitifully mundane sensations, you feel me? The big shift towards fur-bedecked viking warriors in 6th humanized chaos warriors in a way that I don't necessarily like.>>97619746That's the fun bit: You're wrong! Chaos warriors didn't look like what was being depicted in these two pieces back then, the models were much, much simpler and the art took those simple designs and expanded on them. You've seen the 5th ed warriors, loveable hunch-backed abominations that they are, and they weren't like what was being depicted on either of these pieces. Then again, the warriors being shown off on the Cathay AJ cover art aren't 1:1 with the current models either, but they can still be used to compare how the chaos warriors of then looked versus the chaos warriors of now. Or are they the chaos warriors of the future? Who knows?
>>97620877anon we know what Ogors look like in AoS. I ~think~ there's some random bit of lore about City Ogors being skinnier than regular Ogors, so maybe the new stuff for that army will be fatter, but they'll still basically look like this guy with different gear
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I want to see savage orcs before dark elves or ogres.
>>97620877>>97620902300 lashes for using AoS words in a thread you shouldn't be using AoS words in. You should know better, anons.
>>97620894My favorite portrayal of chaos warriors in any media is them in the ancient Mark of Chaos trailer. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFGJQIW5ZM&pp=ygUVTWFyayBvZiBjaGFvcyB0cmFpbGVy
>>97620902>ogors
>>97620921The chaos warriors in that trailer, which is of course excellent, are a very strange fusion of the 1997 and 2004 chaos warrior aesthetics. Note the trim and the pauldrons (elements of the 1997 kit), the armour plates on the hips (an element shared between the two kits, in all fairness), the helmets not all being that same vaguely cylindrical shape (a major sin of the 2004 kit), and the furs, which are more decorative than the ones on the 2004 models. They're really weird, but I like them a lot. I'm a big fan of how the chaos warriors look in-game too. My favourite chaos warriors will still always be the 1997 plastics and the 1984-1990 metals, but I would be quite happy if the rumoured new chaos warrior and knight kits took inspiration from these Mark of Chaos designs. Not saying I'd buy enough of them to replace my precious, precious 1997 warriors, but I'd buy a box and make a little side-project out of them.
>>97619518>Is it even working at getting money from the goddamn chinks?I don't think this is aimed at the Chinese market specifically - there are apparently some groups playing Warhammer over there, but its nothing compared to the West. Rather, I think it is primarily aimed at the wuxia/romance subset of weebs that got into Chinese 3K stuff through anime or (mainly) vidya using the Romance setting. I wouldn't say that it is a huge group of people, but they're enough to make those games profitable.The TW devs released their own 3K a while before they came out with Cathay, and I think GW is trying to attract the audience that switched from TW:3K to TW:W3 specifically (together with your non-vidya chinaboos). I don't think we have any information on the Cathay sales yet, but apparently the painting only and proxying crowds are big into them. They don't seem to be played a lot though if I have to go off of my area as well as the WAACfag numbers posted online.I also don't think Cathay really went into the right direction for a lot of the wuxia/3kfags. I think the top of GW directed its underlings to create a "Chinese faction" without giving them too much specifics (or understanding what exact part of Chinese history wuxiafags are into), and they ended up creating a king of Song / Jurchen Jin faction instead of a 3K-inspired army (picrel, those aren't supposed to be Chinese people in that armour, but rather the Manchu's direct ancestors). The dragons are probably meant to invoke those famous 3K warlords like Cao Cao or Liu Bei, but I feel like the dragon primarchs specifically fall flat, especially when so much of Chinese fantasy is based around wars between dynasties and warlords instead of having an immortal and infallible dragon at the top of the hierarchy forever.
>>97620854Completely fair I just don't have a large collection of them so I would have to pay AoS prices plus bases to get a full army on the table.
>>97620868Only thing I have ever gone to Hobby Lobby for was cheap brishes and their limited selection of Vallejo paints.
>>97620877They are keeping Ogors, but they will be getting reworked visually to be something different than Fantasy ones. You can see it with Cities and their updated Tyrant who aren't as fat as the Fantasy ones.
>>97620894Ink washes do make for softer shading than digital art tends toward.
>>97620981If GW wanted to tap the wuxia crowd we would have gotten a faction of cultivators who fly on swords. I think they were aiming more for the Dynasty Warriors crowd who is big into the Warring States period and large masses of infantry on their screens backed by powerful heroes who make or break the engagement.
>>97620909I feel like you're being tongue in cheeek but it doesn't matter hwat board I'm on I'm never going to bend to pointless skub vs. anti-skub debates, especially between nreds who like 99% of the same things and then hate each other over the 1%.
>>97621015>If GW wanted to tap the wuxia crowd we would have gotten a faction of cultivators who fly on swords.I didn't know those fanbases were that different, but I only have an interest in China's conquest dynasties (Liao, Jurchen Jin, etc.) or some historical periods (the most buddhist periods) instead of delving deep into their fantasy genres.>I think they were aiming more for the Dynasty Warriors crowd who is big into the Warring States period and large masses of infantry on their screens backed by powerful heroes who make or break the engagement.I also meant to include this group yeah, I forgot the name of that game they were big into. I still don't really get the aesthetic difference GW went for though, only the new wizard and the peasants come close to some of the more over the top depictions of Dynasty Warriors imo.
>>97620750Wait a single one? Did they sell finecast singles at some point? Or was this a metal blister? If it was a metal blister you goofed.
>>97621015I can't remember but im pretty sure in some pre release article for Cathay they wrote specifically that they dont' want wuxia and their vampires.
>>97620981>I think the top of GW directed its underlings to create a "Chinese faction" without giving them too much specifics (or understanding what exact part of Chinese history wuxiafags are into), It was this. Especially lore wise. I’m supposed to find “miao ying killing her sister under delusions” as grim dark? Or tau mind control, grim dark? FUCK NO! Have her purposefully kill her sister in a sadisitc glee, have the cathayan population fucking FEAR their leaders for knowing that they aren’t fucking humans in the face of their rulers. Regular ass human lives are seen as straight up resources for people with power to use, whether that’s as for refining into pills, or just as an army is very situational, and sometimes it’s the one who claim they are GOOD that are doing the truly heinous shit. Wuxia/Xianxia morality is so warped that Makes warhammer look tame in comparison, it even makes you question your own moral values. As for the three kingdoms thing, I don’t really fucking care. I mean don’t get me wrong. I love the tragedy, the ambition and the feats that they foretell, but aesthetically I don’t really care for how the games really portray them. Either way it doesn’t matter because we got Disney Cathay, somehow something more boring.
>>97621067No hopping vampires but that doesn't mean they won't make something else for their undead.I just don't see Vampire Counts coming back sonce everything key to our faction is spread across three AOS armies.
>>97621002I hope they release a battalion of the old ogres for tow after.
>>97621166I will be honest, WFB never felt Grimdark. Maybe it was a lack of state sponsored cannibalism and Sigmar not being a corpse on a throne.So sure it got dark but it never hit 40k levels.
>>97621210You and me both.
>>97621218Well I can tell you one thing, it knew how to make moments impactful, something tow hasn’t understood at all.
>>97621231TOW is working with pamphlets not army books. And it lacks novels to flesh out the setting.It's not a like for like comparison. One isn't even three years of combined lore. The other has decades.and had more factions to work with to tell stories. The SDS isn't even allowed to mention armies in AOS in their books unless they absolutely have to.
>>97621218I'd say it was only grim. Things weren't necessarily getting worse, but they weren't getting better either. So things were just generally shitty and stable.
Valid idea for dwarf characters?
>>97621308Needs more short jokes.
Anyone order from black tree dedigns? I like their skaven but have heard they can take a while to ship
>TQThe new Cathay rules seem fine, nothing broken. I did notice that the blunderbuss guys can march and shoot, the reserve move the crane gun guys also seemed strange, but I doubt these will be as bad as the balloons or the cannons were.>>97621308I think it's a great idea. Warhammer needs more silliness.
>>97620909I fucking despise "ogor" more than any other aos neologism but this kind of "you aren't acting in the collective-approved way" post is faggotry of the highest caliber and actively goes against the idea of the sitePeople post how and what they like here, not what is accepted by a nebulous gestalt
>>97621308Norse Dwarfs from/near Kraka Drak. Or if you want to lean into their French origins ( of the guys you posted ) then Dwarfs of the Grey Mountains. Maybe living in an outpost that borders Bretonnia and therefore trade a lot with them.
>>97621474Unwad your panties, anon.
>>97621474Ogor is tied with Aelves for the most infuriating and retarded AoSism. If I ever see someone write either unironically I reflexively think less of them as a person.
how many cathay peasants should I buy?
>>97621446Cranenguns are BS3 unlike the BS4 of balloons snd unless you buy the reserve move it's s move or shoot unit unlike the balloon that can move however it wants.And people didn't even take Iron hails on the balloons so I doubt a unit that can March and Shoot with 12" range is going to break the game.
>>97621532Archers I wiuld consider a unit or two of around 10 each but for the spears I think a single block of 25-30 for back line objectives is all U would realistically take outside of a meme list.
>>97621539>And people didn't even take Iron hails on the balloonsthey did because they came together with the dragonfire bombs
>>976215321000 hours in paint
>>97621532Enough to build a wall.
You guys are too worried about crane guns. Arrows blotting out the sun is what you should be worried about.
What are the best usecases for the drilled special rule? For example, empire knights and Cathayan lancers both have access to it. Should it be used for a turn 1 marching column rush across the board, or for rapid redeployment at later stages of the game?
>>97621627I always find it useful for charging through gaps, so I dont collide with a unit that I dont want to have contact with. and for elite infantry to get wider before the charge.
>>97621627It depends on the unit. For non skirmishing range its really useful to have deeper ranks when maneuvering but then drilling into a single rank to maximize the output of fire
why did they name the rule "move and shoot" and not "march and shoot"?
>>97621649Because marching is a specific type of movement in TOW and the move and shoot rule encompasses marching but is not limited to marching.
>>97621668actually "move and shoot" only cares about marching.https://tow.whfb.app/special-rules/move-and-shoot
>>97621680You are right, but so was I. Although I guess my point is redundant but that’s why I think they did it. To prevent dummies from thinking it means you can only shoot if you march or don’t move for example.
>>97621528Aelf is just the old english spelling, I don't find it nearly as annoying. You're both also missing the actual worst aos-ism; "orruk".
>>97621308Absolutely
>>97621785isnt that just a straight up lotr term.
>>97620877What? That's not at all what's happening, what are you on about?>something retarded like cow menMinotaurs back to aos to form their own faction, they'll be delighted!
Has anyone kitbashed Perry (mounted) knights with GW horses? I'd like to try making my own Black Knights but I'd worry that the horses would look massive compared to the riders. I've never used a Perry miniature so I'm sceptical but goddamn some of them look so nice,
And with the crew done, I'm going to call this done for real.
>>97621569You might want to check again. Guns aren't optional and the Sky Lantern Bombs are an optional upgrade on top of that. People still didn't take them over Crane Guns and don't take them now.
>>97621575Nice Bretonnia army.
>>97621829sky lantern bombs are not dragon fire bombs. lanterns come with crane guns or IHG + Gunpowderbombs as standard loadouts. for 20 points more, you can get IHG + dragon fire bombs. before dragon fire bombs nerfed from S4 to S3, they were always taken.
>>97621813It's fucking banging anon, thanks for sharing it with us. Makes a change from shitflinging.
>>97621797No but it's ripping off LOTR because phonetically it sounds identical to Uruk, which is short for Uruk-Hai.>>97621813It's been great watching you chip away at this, well worth the effort.
>>97620226>everyone is mid swingI get your point but im going to um actually you still
>>97620226the new ossiarch battletome had a skeleton's head being blown off by a skaven jezzail
>>97621928>>97619472The OP photo also has at least 4 balloon in various stages of getting BTFO as well.
>>97621928there are no skeletons in the OBR battletome. only bone constructs
>>97620735Have they even done anything with the emperors?It seemed very important before release but I barely even know who they are.
>>97622015not unless we count the RPG spin-off, which does have some details about the Taalabacland Emperor.You would think the Marianburg Empress would get some development since there's a Chaos invasion in her land but nothing so far
>>97620643>fimir (giant sized) matriarch>fimir (ogre sized) champion>fimir (ogre sized) wizard>fimir (orc sized) skek noble>fimir (ogre sized) warriors >fimir (orc sized) warriors >fimir (giant sized) mutant spawn>lagoon gillmen (human sized) vanguards>troglaglobs (goblin sized) skirmishers>garthim (ogre sized) hounds>toad dragon (winged) with champion or wizard>mist strider (long legged, tentacled) carrying cages for captives >land striders (monstrous cavalry) ridden by fimir (orc sized)>floating dark tower with a dark crystal >access to demon prince (undivided), chaos furies, chaos spawns, chaos trolls, chaos giants, dragon ogres and shaggoth, and jabberslythebut this only if they needed a full roster, they really don't, ideally they would be inserted into chaos warriors and beastmen with a kit for basic fimir warriors and one for elite fimir warriors, plus some heroes
Been working on some Tomb Guard. As has been the theme for this project, for some reason my phone camera cannot register the actual colour of the blue (it's almost green) so they don't actually look like this...
>>97622027The blue on shields and crests etc was painted with Kroxigor Scales and a thick highlight of picrel, so it's very turquoise
There's a man in Cathay who claims to be Sigmar's brother
Love these niggas
Great weapons or lances on empire knights?
>>97621831As it was written long ago.
>>97619472>What do you think of the new Cathayan rules?Only the 4pts skirmishing archers seem really good. Even though peasants have the strikefirst and fight in extra rank rule they don't do any damage with WS2. Them not having shields makes the unit kinda shit. It's funny though that peasants do the elf flavour better than elves.Both gunners are meh.
>>97622108I wouldn't even consider GWs as you get knights of the white wolf with their hammers and furious charge.I'll personally build my knight kit 6 with lances and 6 as knights of the white wolf. You probably don't want to run them as big units anyways.
>>97622135WS2 isn't that much of an issue. You're still hitting on 4s against WS4 which is the majority of units you'd probably be running up against as a peasant.
If you're so smart how would YOU retake Karak Eight Peaks, anon?
>>97622313Use mount redstone to build a tnt duper and blow all the skaven to shit
>>97621575Why would you have only 1600 points of units
>>97622313alliance with the red crestsrats dealt with with the snakesgobs dealt with with the flames
>>97622313simple
>>97621797Yes, oruk is just legally distinct uruk, because thet're bigger stronger orkz, same way Saruman's guys mogged default orcs
>>97622313Redirect lava flows to skaven and goblin tunnels. Plant false evidence of other greenskin tribes moving in on Skarsniks turf to play into their tendency of infighting.Bring cats to deal with rats, leave poisoned cheese and booby traps all around
>>97622402No? Savage orcs also got lumped in with orruks, as do the new lanky guys.
>>97622402all orcs are orruks
>>97622402>same way Saruman's guys mogged default orcsbut the default orcs were uruk too, just not hai?
>>97622436Saruman's uruk-hai are distinct from regular orcs in that they can stand sunlight, and they're counted separate to the orcs and hillmen in the siege of the Hornburg. But to the characters they're still distinctly orcs: Aragorn describes them as "goblin-soldiers".This gets weird because uruk-hai literally just means orc folk in the black speech.Also Sauron "created" the uruk-hai first and used them to destroy Ithilien.
>>97622027They look awesome anon, and who knows on your phone- it’s probably some auto lighting ‘fix’I wanted to play around with some paper banners so I’ve made one of my stormvermin have one. - It honestly turned out okay for an experiment- now I just need to find a bell and add it to one of these rats and I’ve got full command.
>>97622027They look great. I really love those tomb guard models.Phones usually don't capture how the models look 100% perfectly.
>>97622125>Pai Mei as the army's sorcererId imagine he whips his beard each time he casts a spell
>get the Hail Caesar Greek starter army >do this bullshit:Renegade Crowns [1999 pts]Warhammer: The Old World, Renegade Crowns, Open WarRenegade Prince, Full plate armour, Shield, General, The Might of Miragliano [Stubborn, Tilean Stoicism], On foot, Meteor Hammer, 2x Obsidian Lodestone - 198Renegade Captain, Great weapon, Full plate armour, Shield, The Might of Miragliano [Stubborn, Tilean Stoicism], On foot, Levitating Shield - 97Renegade Captain, Great weapon, Full plate armour, Shield, The Might of Miragliano [Stubborn, Tilean Stoicism], On foot, Levitating Shield - 97Renegade Captain, Great weapon, Full plate armour, Shield, The Might of Miragliano [Stubborn, Tilean Stoicism], On foot, Levitating Shield - 9739 Veteran Sellswords, Thrusting spears, Full plate armour, Shields, Heavy Infantry, Phalanx, Veteran Officer (champion) [Burning Blade], Standard bearer [Razor Standard], Full Command - 50131 Sellsword Infantry, Thrusting spears, Heavy armour, Shields, Heavy Infantry, Phalanx, Full Command - 27531 Sellsword Infantry, Thrusting spears, Heavy armour, Shields, Heavy Infantry, Phalanx, Full Command - 27531 Sellsword Infantry, Thrusting spears, Heavy armour, Shields, Heavy Infantry, Phalanx, Full Command - 2756 Empire Archers, Warbows, Fire & Flee, Detachment - 485 Empire Archers, Warbows, Fire & Flee, Detachment - 406 Empire Archers, Warbows, Fire & Flee, Detachment - 486 Empire Archers, Warbows, Fire & Flee, Detachment - 48>lose every game
>>97622313Same way I do every time>besiege+autoresolve
>>97622499Looking good anon. I've tried fucking about with my phone and it seems it's just a problem my model has with any kind of blue-green.>>97622530Despite having painted them and being reasonably happy with the results, I'm a bit less chuffed with the painting process on these guys. Also not a fan of their bandages and the little scarab details on the shields, quite a ballache to paint. Looking forward to painting more straight up bone on some skelly warriors.
Is Meow a goth?
>>97622696chinese goths cannot be a thing
>>97622616Cathay wishes it had that much sovl
>>97622125kinda racist. thank god that GW grew up.
>>97622754how is that racist nigger
>>97622696No, she's the representation of the Black Tortoise Xuanwu. The four directionals are represented by each of the children.
>>97622780she cute
>>97621532The base box will be good if you still plan to use warriors. If you're going with the peasant AoI, probably 60-80.
>>97622780>Black Tortoise Xuanwu.idk sounds pretty goth if you ask me
>>97622786Man, now I wanna replay Guild Wars Factions.
>>97622754Are you gay?It's literally just Chinese movie tropes, the armyFrankly Cathay SHOULD have had more Western bias (specifically based on Western ideas of the East from medieval and renaissance times), because that's what makes it interesting and different from just generic fantasy china.I want the "here be dragons" uncharted corner of the map version of China, I want it ambiguous whether they're really ruled by literal dragons or not, GW kinda killed the joy of the mystery far too muchAlso the prohibition on body horror and skulls because muh cultural sensitivity is really gay, skulls make it feel like Warhammer, the setting is meant to be full of momento mori type stuff
I’m starting to think you guys are retards.
>>97622915>starting to
>>97622894Sorry can't do, we already called 5 Chinese sensitivity agencies to make the most non offensive faction possible
>>97622894>generic fantasy china.name 5 tabletop games that have an army like cathay.cliche western biased asia is boring since the 80s. good for GW for doing something interesting for once.
>>97622941Historicals, bolt action, Malifaux, mesbg, infinity
>>97622941>soulless cadslop safe chinks>interestingwhat the hell dude
>>97622954Oh, and mantic now. Ignoring the dogs, I vastly prefer the armor design there over what Cathay had.
Started another batch.
>>97622941manticconquest kenseirising sun one page rules
>>97622954>mesbgI can't attest to the others but come on now
>>97623002Do they get rid of them? I know they had some Chinese stuff. Granted its own take on it.
>>97622954>>97622996nope, none of them have characters that can turn into dragons, sky lanterns and sentinels. and it also seems you are confusing japan with china.
>>97623006None of the mesbg factions fit the generic china stereotype
>>97622956I can't take you seriously, not enough buzzwords
>>97623024>>97623024>>97623013Easterlings?
>>97623013>nope, none of them have characters that can turn into dragonsI’m pretty sure Malifaux does, actually. Anyways my mind isn’t even on that or the other stuff, I’m just sorely disappointed by the bread and butter of the army.
>>97623013>you are confusing japan with chinaI'm very much not, check bettermantic's xirkaali are chineseconquest's han are chinesekensei's katai are chineserising sun's invading dynasty is chineseone page rules' dragon empire is chinese
>>97619649This looks retarded.If the game didn't take itself so fucking seriously, then maybe. But it is 100% is up its own ass. As such, this sort of insanely cartoony shit looks horrible and out of place.
>>97623070Warhammer is not for you.
>>97620735They abandoned time of the three emperors almost immediately anon. It's what briefly mentioned in the core book, and not mentioned since besides 'yeah it happened.' It was only ever a bullshit reason they could throw out to justify why they wouldn't be bringing back factions that concurrently exist in AoS.
>>97623070if i recall that art depicts a siege in the realm of chaos/chaos wastes or whatever so idk what you’d expect
>>97621015The thing is people who are into that sort of hero focused wuxia aren't going to be into a 'mass battle' game. The hero fantasy of that genre isn't 'leading a bunch of dudes' it's the lone hero that solos armies.
>>97623057and which faction of those hasskylanterns, shapeshifting dragons and giant stone sentinels?all of those factions look boring compared to cathay.
>>97623120strawman
>>97622754Faggot
>>97622996It's called Clash of Katanas and it's excellent
Overpriced Brettonian LARP equipment coming soon
>>97623127>all of those factions look boring compared to cathay.Holy no taste.
>>97623165>another boring human factionlet me know when they have something for greenskins, or ogres, or uh...............fuck Ill even take wood elf shit.
>>97623183I would expect Cathay before we get any non-human faction represented, and even then High elves would be the most likely
>>97623188>cathay there is already plenty better looking Chinese outfits that I dont even need to consider that shit. >high elvesI dont like looking like a retard.
>>97623070>retardedI think you meant to type "cool and awesome", anon. The game didn't always take itself seriously and I'd say it was better when it didn't. Much is to be said about the direction the game took during and after 6th edition and I'm growing less and less fond of the 6th-8th aesthetic by the day. There was just something special going on with Chaos in the late '80s and the '90s, then they threw it all away in the early '00s. But I have already posted enough about this topic. Let the artwork stand for itself, I say.
>>97623208Huh, the new aos zombie drag- excuse me, revenant draconith, seems to take some inspiration from this artwork. Pretty cool.
>>97623226‘tis basically the old zombie dragon mini although idk which came first
>>97620278Cavalry ON A WALL is out of the question yes. Look at the art dipshit, the cathayans are clearly fighting from within a structure and the marauders are attacking up an incline (stairs?) to get to them. Where the fuck would cavalry be coming from there retard?And yes, a kilometre-tall wall is far more fantastical than "theres some weird geography/natural phenomena".
>>97620170Dogs arent skirmishers. And yea, its fine to take both. Remember, theyre very fragile and cheap. Two units of warhounds + 2 units of cav is sub 200pts.
>>97620226>Pic related is betterEveryone is also mid swing in that piece. Theres just a smaller number of people because its showing a minor skirmish rather than a big siege battle. >like how are the soldiers going to get out of this situationThey arent, theyre clearly fucked. Theyre outnumbered and theres a great unclean one right there (and theyre basic empire trash).
>>97620894>Chaos warriors didn't look like what was being depicted in these two pieces back thenBut they did. This was the exact aesthetic of chaos warriors and knights of the period. The models were just low fidelity.
>>97623334All I have to say is you are a retard, with a severe case of aphantasia. You are the reason why the old world is boring as hell and will happily eat it away with toxic positivity. It’s as simple as them preparing the horses in the worst case scenario for the supposed great bastion where unorthodox tactics for a supposedly already unorthodox faction should be considered. Even a horseman or two would be effective. I mean fuck they could even use those longmas (still not as cool as just regular horses but nevertheless), however I guess GREAT LONGMA RIDERS OF CATHAY™ aren’t sold yet so they won’t be featured for some reason. Somehow you made me hate that piece of work more now.
>>97623376"they could put horses up on a wall just in case"Youre legitimately braindead, its terminal.
>>97623401“They would never keep soldiers in a wooden horse, what are you, retarded?”
>>97621849Ironhail guns with firebombs are free. You only pay points if you take Dragonfire bombs.
>>97623426Genuinely beyond parody.
>>97623120Yeah and Total War didn't get anyone into the Old World.There isn't a massive transition from one to the other but opening up the market allows for more than if they didn't tap into it.
>>97623426t. Trojan the night before the fall of Troy
>>97620661Kek
Which kingdom of Ulthuan would have the most reason (according to lore ) to use pikemen ?
>>97623532the ones that are black.
>>97623532Cothique or Yvresse.
>>97623532Pure pikemen? Not Spearmen militita? Eataine. May be Avelorn (since old unit of Everqueen's bodyguards), may be Caledor (since they are elven Caledonia)
>>97623568I think Caledor would be the least likely to do it. Theyre militant, but they strike me as traditionalists. >>97623532Honestly? Nagarythe
>>97623568>may be Caledor (since they are elven Caledonia)if you wanted a Scotland on Ulthuan, Caledor is the wrong part of it
>>97622732I mean, of the ostrogoths are the goths of the east, at one point there may have been goths hailing from near china
I'd eat a dog for Her.
>>97623532all of them? what kind of question is that?
How does this look for HoD?++ Characters [565 pts] ++Exalted Sorcerer [156 pts] - Hand weapon- Light armour- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- Wizard [Level 1 Wizard]- Chaos Steed- Power Scroll- Lore Familiar- Dark MagicChaos Lord [409 pts] - Great weapon- Full plate armour- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- General- Daemonic Mount- Armour of Meteoric Iron- Pendant of Damnation- Crown of Everlasting Conquest- 2x Favour of the Gods- Extra Arm- Unnatural Fortitude- Longstriders++ Core Units [693 pts] ++6 Chaos Knights [212 pts] - Lances- Shields- Heavy armour- Barding- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- Champion [Brazen Collar]- Standard bearer- Musician6 Chaos Knights [212 pts] - Lances- Shields- Heavy armour- Barding- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- Champion [Brazen Collar]- Standard bearer- Musician5 Chaos Warhounds [35 pts] (x3)- Claws and fangs (Hand weapons)- Vanguard5 Marauder Horsemen [82 pts] - Hand weapons- Cavalry spears- Light armour- Shields- Chaotic Cult [None]- Formation [Skirmishers]- Marauder Horsemaster (champion)- Musician- Unnatural Fortitude5 Marauder Horsemen [82 pts] - Hand weapons- Cavalry spears- Light armour- Shields- Chaotic Cult [None]- Formation [Skirmishers]- Marauder Horsemaster (champion)- Musician- Unnatural Fortitude++ Special Units [337 pts] ++6 Chosen Chaos Knights [337 pts] - Lances- Shields- Full plate armour- Barding- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- Champion [Brazen Collar]- Standard bearer [Totem of Wrath]- Musician++ Rare Units [405 pts] ++Warpfire Dragon [405 pts] - Wicked Claws- Warpfire Blast- Full plate armour (Draconic scales)- Level 1 Wizard- Battle Magic
So they get multiple shots and this, or didn't the author (or me) know what multiple shots is?
>>97623683I think they just got the bombs (which inflict d3 hits per hit) and blunderbusses (which have d3 shots) mixed up. Because we know the rules, they dont do both.
>>97621805Why would you use the GW horses? GW horses are literally GWs worst sculpts. I hate GW horses with a fiery passion, and somehow the modern sculpts (AoS/nuFantasy) are even worse than the old/middlehammer horses. Old GW horses looked cartoonish but at least that was its own vibe, modern ones are straight up uncanny valley shit. If you're going to use Perry knights I'd use the Perry horses. They won't look out of place unless they're mixed in with the new horse sculpts
>>97623683I am pretty sure the people who write those articles have rules explained to them in a meeting and then they go off to write an article about them which leads to the regular cock ups.
>>97623665Id play her faction in tww. And did, thanks LazyIcarus!
>>97623705Thats 100% the case. The articles will be written by writers/"warhammer community members" who dont necessarily know or play the games (or if they do, dont necessarily know all the upcoming rules).There will be a memo or list of facts or something they get given, and then they have to write an article based on that.Hence the two weapons that ironhail gunners have (the bombs and the ironhail guns) being conflated into one super weapon.
>>97623699I don't know, if you can suggest good skeletal horses please do
>>97623730My bad I didn't read the Black Knights part. Yeah I don't know a lot of skeleton horses. I wonder how these would do if you added on the horse armor/barding included with the Perry knights
Which army has the most well adjusted players that have the most amount of sex (with beautiful women, not fatties or trans)
>>97623730Fire Forge makes skeleton horsemen, though I've heard mixed things about the quality of the miniatures. >>97623772In no particular order, Empire, Bretonnia, VC, Ogres.
>>97623772Stormcast eternals.
>>97623772In no particular order? WoC, Beastmen, Lizardmen, Vampires.
>>97623035Clearly Slavs.
>>97623772nogames/no models
>>97623797winner winner, chicken dinner.
>>97623772Empire using Perry Miniatures, or other historical proxies
>>97623035I always got a more middle eastern vibe from them. Maybe its because the haradrim are clearly middle eastern and theyre associated.
>>97623772statistically? not yours
>>97623828Ive inseminated a woman within the last 4 hours, how about you?
>>97623869Your mentally disabled sister doesent count.
>>97623772No one who plays Warhammer has ever had sex.
>>97623754I have a box of these and they're good.
>>97623869notice you mentioned the latest time, not the frequency, the quality of the woman, or how well adjusted you areit speaks enough about what you consider your weak pointshow tall are you again?
>>97623679?They don't use pike, only spears. So the question is "if they have to add a pikemen unit to High Elves from which kingdom is it more likely to come lore-wise (like axemen are from Chrace or charioteers from Tiranoc).
>>97623922Yea, Nagarythe. The dark elves are more unorthodox (crossbows) and militant than the other elves. So if someone was going to ditch the spear and shield for a pike it would be them.
>>97623921>how tall are you again?He told you, it took him about 4 hours to climb down the poor sow.
>>97623934
>>97623894nta but mentally disabled sister puss, ie. forbidden fruit, is probably fire
>>97623931Is there any evidence of Naggarythe soldiers using corssbows before becoming the "Druchii" ? In the Sundering book maybe ?
>>97623931Pikes are exceptionally useless for the kind of fighting the shadow warriors specialise in.
>>97623950They got the technology from the dwarfs before the sundering iirc, so yea. The new C7 book mentions it. I believe its also stated that they were considered weird and militant in their army books. Developing crossbows and other tools of war unlike the other high elves. >>97623951Who said anything about shadow warriors? Im talking about the real people of nagarythe, not some squatting larpers.
>>97623931I still don't get why dark elves are progressive enough for crossbows but not enough for guns.What's their problem with them?
>>97622024for some reason I think fimir should have not!beholders
>>97623984Some old art that was used for the box of Mighty Warriors had a Dark elf with a pistol but i think that's the only depiction
>>97623984Honestly? Youre right. There would probably be some typical class snobbery about it, but there would 100% be a "basic warrior" equivalent with handguns of some sort. Then again repeater crossbows are of "unspecified power", some showings of them have them be literally machine gun crossbows.
>>97623984They're often at seas or in damp underground places, maybe it fucks up with gunpowder? and also crafting bolts must be easier on their quasi-nomadic workflow?Just spitballing here.
>>97624012Ammo is super easy to make though, thats like one of the big advantages of guns. You just pour metal into spheres and youre done. Bolts you need to assemble out of multiple components. And frankly a black ark is probably dryer than most wooden vessels, and those famously used gunpowder (pirates). Basically: Corsairs should 100% use regular pirate pistols and blunderbusses.
>>97624020Then something to do with the production of gunpowder? I don't know, really, but surely there can be an issue somewhere?
>>97623984The noise hurts their big ears
>>97623999>Dark elf with a pistoluh, cool
>>97624049
>>97623946There isn't a single guy on that the planet that would deny his sister if she offered herself to him
>>97624131You've got issues.
>>97620902I do remember that one of the AoS leakers claimed that new Ogors would be bigger than Rat Ogres. Like a middle evolution between man and gargants
>>97624131>Anon is a dark elf/melnibonean
Albeit a long-time fan, I used to be either too young or poor to get into the hobby.Now, after a good friend prodding me to for a long while, plus being able to afford at least a little, I'm getting the Empire of Man Batallion box.Don't think that it'll be entirely fieldable, so I wanted to ask around what I should consider as "first additions" on top, particularly what to grab as a General.Planning on painting in either Reikland or Altdorf colors, if that makes a difference.
>>97624173If you're playing for fun get what you like. If you're trying to make a comp list then its all artillery, state troops, and missile troops
>>97622411Savadge orcs never recieved any support. All the new models were designed for bigger stronger greenskins where average guy was the size of a normie boss and their bosses were dreadnought sized super mushrooms
Post alarielle's feet
>>97624131mine are fucking nasty, not even with a rented dick.
>>97624280Maybe now that you're both old and obese, but imagine during the passionate youthful years
>>97624262>never given support Not so fastSeriously though why does that matter for the argument at hand? They were part of the game for like 8 years, and were always called orruks. They even had their own battletome for a while for crying out loud.Also again, Kruleboys are lanky as fuck
>>97624205I can do both. I'll see about getting artillery and more troops. Does the choice in General matter for army comp, or just any?Aforementioned friend does have some stuff to share, such as a Witch Hunter, some mages, maybe an engineer, and I was thinking of grabbing some basic Knights for cavalry
Woah, thread's been going very fast the past two days. What'd I miss?
>>97624359Read it nigga
>>97624359new WFRP book and Cathay news for TOW
I will be honest with guys. I want to start a Bretonnia army just to build and paint Men-at-Arms alone. They are easily my favourite Brets minis. Is it an uncommon take?
>>97624262At that size why even play with miniatures just grab action figures and do pew pew noises.>>97624359China.
>>97624615>At that size why even play with miniatures just grab action figures and do pew pew noises.wrong thread to be making that comment.
>>97624615>At that sizedespite popular impressions, the dreadnought isn't that big, even an old griffon has a larger silhouette
>>97624615>At that size why even play with miniatures just grab action figures and do pew pew noises.Its not that that orc is super big, the old dread is just fucking tiny. The ironjaws warboss is about the same size as an ogre tyrant.
>>97624359China numba wan
>>97624611Reminder: Bretonnia Damsels are hoes!
>>97624615If it weren't for the skull I'm pretty sure von lowenhacke ends up taller lol. That's just the "new" size gw wants you to play at. Why'd you think they increased base sizes.
How can they ever top the metal Chosen models?
>>97624773Doesn’t the Bretonnian WHFRPG book talk about how how damsels/prophetesses canonically fuck the best knights.
>>97624773For a trinket she gives to all her boy toys it sure is a potent magical item
>>97624819yeah even the TOW BL books cover's that topic
>>97624807Easily, theyre not very good.
>>97624844Holy shit lmao.
I'm out of luck if I missed the MTO on this one huh?
>>97624853I mean they are still french after all>le celibaté? Pas pour moi mon ami
>>97624865recasters exist.
>>97624807Thats a lovely paint job, but those models arent very good. Awkward poses/proportions and a comical amount of skulls.
>>97624873Yeah but hunting down one that does metal is a bit of a pain.
>>97624886who cares if its metal.
>>97624886there's one, and he's the best
>>97624131Unironically this post made me extremely horny. Love you Ella
Man they're really phoning in these arcane journals. They're so damn short and stingy on lore.
>>97624744Aight, fair enough.
>>97624865My usual source for second-hand minis has exactly 1 listing for that specific on-foot prophetess and they're selling her for ~$130. So yeah, you're out of luck. Ask your local community if anyone has an extra one they don't need.
>>97625023Heres one (not mine) with a head from the ironblaster kit. Theyre big. But theyre not THAT big in absolute terms.
>>97625023>that model Niggas ITT with tell you historical minis are "lacking detail" and then put that abhorrent dog shite on the table LMAO
>>97625104No one asked, manlet.
>>97625104I like both.
>>97625119Something amusing about white men being the ones buying and painting these
>>97624303no dude, they tumbled out of the womb gross, there was no point in their lives where they ranked above 'disgusting'
>>97625129Oh nvm he's gay
Raaroo! The woods are ours, stay out of 'em!
>>97625104Legit can’t play human factions because victrix spoiled me on them. Empire, Cathay. Kislev, not to even mention Bret’s, all fail in comparison to how cool humanity really is.
>>97625211Here's some converted as elves. For Oathmark, mind, but it shows plastics are cool.
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>>97625104Yea those models look like ass.
>>97625268Agreed. Now what about the Perrys though?
>>97625128It's very strange but British white men seem to be absolutely obsessed with painting their minis as black or middle eastern men. I'm not kidding, look all over Instagram and even the GW official painted models and artwork
Don't respond to the midget just report him for off topic and move on.
>>97624865Yeah I ordered them off eBay. The pre MTO (not sure about MTO) were metal so stripping and repainting was a breeze
Found a really cool page while digging through some old catalogues.2002 was a good year for warhammer fantasy.
>>97625494Monke warriors a cute!
>>97620661This is unironically how I wish most armies were.
>>97624012That's not great reasoning because have you seen what water does to bows and bowstrings? It's not great for that either. At least with gunpowder you can keep it well sealed from water in barrels or in wads in a pouch to then take out and ram into a pistol
Are we told much about the chaos forces attacking Cathay?I have it mind to make a Tzeentch themed siege style army to thematically mog the chinks
>>97625890We know that within their land they are plagued by tzeench cults. Then the great bastion keeps hordes from the chaos wastes out
>>97625890we are not told much about anything anymore, you gotta do the heavy lifting yourself in the worldbuilding now
>>97625890Just to be absolute assholes, I can see GW just doing another beastmen splat that does birdgors instead of tzeentch demons
>>97625890in yesterdays article, they call them Kurgan with a distinction between the marauder section and the Warriors of Chaos section of the invaders>how the armies of the Northern Province deal with the hordes of Kurgan Marauders and the hosts of Chaos Warriors and Knights that constantly assail the Great Bastion.
Do you prefer factions with more of a grand army feel, with lots of very specialized units from different area's or sub factions i.e. High Elves, Skaven etc.? Or factions with generic units available to anyone within the faction i.e. Empire, Dwafs etc. I like to to hyper focus "my dudes" so for me the factions with more specialized regional units make that hard. I wanted to make a Skaven army, but my autism of wanting it to make sense in the current timeline is a pain. I want to make a single great clan focus, but it feels like they really don't want you to do that.
>>97625173For every ten, there exists a one.My family has no tens
>>97626453While I really appreciate specialized units for the way they flesh out the world. I personally prefer the same thing you do. I like them more generic so I can make them more of my own.
>>97626453>I want to make a single great clan focus, but it feels like they really don't want you to do that.I think it's really dumb that the master moulder is just a packmaster upgrade and not a character choice.
>>97627211I think it’s dumber that both packmasters and master moulders basically never get to fight in giant rat units.
>>97625367It's the only way they can legally own a dozen of them nowadays.
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