Isle of Blood Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread>>97636457>Thread QuestionHow do you want to expand your current army? Or do you want to start a new army?
>>97649449>TQWhile I promised myself and my son not to buy any new miniatures until Easter, I've a few plans to expand my existing armies or to create new ones entirely. Simplest one would be to just buy a few extra artillery pieces for my empire army, so that I could switch between mortars, cannons and volley guns. Another idea that I had was to build an army around the great frostgrave cultist kits, but then I always run into the issue that there is no 1-to-1 equivalent for what I have in mind. Still, miniatures come first and I spend much more time painting, converting and kitbashing than actually playing.
>>97649504How old is your son? Must be nice having someone to play games with right in the same house. I am also not buying anything new until I finish what I have. Unless they reveal Kislev in which case I will break that rule.
>>97649449>TQI'd like to expand my current army of Orcs and Gobbos. I have plans to add:Squig HoppersSquig HerdersMangler SquigBlack Orcs + Big BossDoom DiverWyvern BossSpear ChuckaNight Gobbo ShamanGiantTrolls
>>976495206, we mostly play chess, boardgames and lion/dragon/Xenos rampant. TOW is too complex for him, that'll have to wait for a few years.
>>97649569Oh yeah understandable. That's still pretty sweet though.
>TQIt's taken me 3 years to buy, build and paint 2k points of VC and I'm still not completely finished. I really want to start another army but I don't think I have it in me.
>>97649449>TQMaybe by adding some more "vanilla" options for my DoW, making them look more Tilean/Estalian so theres a better sense of unity.But for now the backlog of unpainted stuff must be tackled
>>97649449>TQI've been collecting WoC miniatures for a while now, mostly the older or rarer ones, with hopes of building an entire army eventually. It's probably a matter of time now.
>>97649449> TQI don't currently play but I like the idea of either a Middenheim/White Wolf army, or going full Goblin.
>>97649480>selling worse than a single space marine kitthat's literally every product GW makes, low effort bait.
>>97649449I’m expanding my current terrain!We live in a golden age thanks to affordable fdm printing and 3d sculpting. So I’m getting pic, Then in the next 2 months replacing my cardstock watchtower with an fdm and getting modular tiled roads along with some stone walls. That should pretty much make me happySince I’m pretty happy with where all my armies are at in the short term- although I wouldn’t mind a screaming bell and some globadiers to finish off my skaven. I can however wait.
>>97649724And yet you replied anyways, retard
>>97649449probably get some grail and questing knights, a damsel, great banner and a box of peasants
Sometimes you see a truly awful post and just have to ask yourself "what the hell went wrong for you to decide that this is a good way to spend your time?".
Was William King cooking?
>>97649480pretty good. had a fun game of TOW yesterday.
>>97649480Badly. Slants sold well. It's JOvEr.
>>97650024why wouldnt they? cathay is the most interesting faction in TOW and has models that are not 20 years old. cathay wave 3 and 4 will be announced at adepticon
>>97650075>cathay is the most interesting faction in TOWLMFAOcomments like this make it hit home how over it is for warhammer fantasy, its sad
>>97649673Is that your Harry? If so, how are you supposed to build the base? I cant find the proper way to fit all 3 piecest. retard
>>97650099no, its great actually. cool new minis for interesting factions. :)
>gweilos jealous of Cathay superiority again.
>>97650126god this looks bad. Art of cathay is much better.no wonder this game died. thank god GW improved with TOW. its always fun to table empire players by turn 3 :)
>>97650075pretty sure we have chaos warriors or the woodies VS kangs boxes to look forward to before any final chink wave
>>97650132yeah, its kinda sad and pathetic. I almost feel bad for them how they became irrelevant IRL and in fictional settings.
>>97650132Total cathayan victory. Glory to the dragon emperor.
>>97650132>Sensitivity TeamJust barfed.
I feel like I'd adore Cathay in any setting that isn't Warhammer Fantasy.
>>97650167good thing they are in tow and not warhammer fantasy then
>>97649480>J(tr)annies remove this bait>refuse to remove bait in any other thread on all of 4ChanThere's totally no favoritism amid the J(tr)annies or anything lmfao
>>97650075You guys think the success of cathay relative to some existing factions will incentivize GW to explore other eastern or southlander factions? Khuresh and Ind obviously, but also stuff like nippon, araby, or a new southlander faction? With the community showing very lukewarm interest in legacy factions like lizardmen and skaven, and even some core ones like wood elves, you wouldn't be able to blame gw for going down this road.
>>97650197Yes, historicity, faithful cultural depictions and importantly from nonwhite sources clearly sell better than classic, tired fantasy tropes like wood elves or animal-men. I think Ind would be very successful for GW.
>>97650132Ruleswise cathay is just superior empire. Everything Empire does, Cathay do better and for cheaper.
>>97650211>Ruleswise cathay is just superior empire. Everything Empire does, Cathay do better and for cheaper.WAACfaggotry
>>97650212Not necessarily. Having stuff with special rules is just objectively more fun.
i have -83$ but i need to buy paints to keep my streak its over
>>97650197I cannot in good conscience wrap my head around the idea of gw making multiple separate and fully fleshed out armies from the eastno way ind or nippon or kuresh become rosters of 10+ unit kits each
>>97650250If you can pull it off I recommend getting a sugar daddy. Mine sponsored my beastmen battalion :3
>>97650197GW is hesitant to touch kislev, let alone arabybesides an araby faction would end up not having anything of the pulpy concepts people would want it for
>>97650212Cathay doesn't have steam tech, and they only let their wizards use a single wind of magic unless their parents fucked a dragon.
>>97650298Kislev is likely coming in 2.0. They only pushed it back because Russia invaded Ukraine but they won't sit on it forever. If anything they might be going back and making sure it doesn't have any ties to Russia by scrubbing the Romanov name off their leaders.
>>97650326>and they only let their wizards use a single wind of magic unless their parents fucked a dragon.no, we got that one elaborated upon in the new journal: cathay calls their wizards astromancers but they study and employ all of the 8 winds, learning one at a time while serving under each dragon, and then going to the capital where they learn how to blend them together into cathay's half-forms of high magic, yin yang, thanks to the celestial compass easing the process the question now is why alchemy is outlawed then
>>97650340probably banned because they're unlicensed rather than formally trainedreal reason is that GW changed the fluff from what they gave CA
>>97650340So they retconned Astromancers already then. Not that they had to since we we're using system of magic organized by use type instead of winds but I guess they didn't want to limit Cathay from having full magic options.My guess for Alchemy is that it doesn't follow that strict process and they fuck around with stuff like Warpstone.
>>97650197No, I think at most we may see some merc units incorporated into Cathy to flesh out those concepts, tigermen of Ind, snakemen of Khuresh, etc. I’m fine with Cathay being the containment army for the weird, unfitting stuff I don’t think should really be in the tabletop past the odd fluff mention.
>GW is hellbent on replacing Malekith with Malerion, retroactively editing previous works to enforce it>But hasn't bothered at all to replace the shitty legacy names like Araby, Ind or Nippon.Of all the silly renaming stuff they've being doing for copyright, they choose not to move a finger for the most logical and justified ones. I get that they're not exactly relevant players, but since you're doing it already, it costs you nothing to type out some siliar sounding name for your expy background nations.I mean, had they done so, they wouldn't have needed to do that weird retcon where the crusades were against the Tomb Kings instead.
>>97650450Disney doesn't own Araby or Nippon.But there is a solid chance if or when they go to those factions we may get their name for their country and people instead of rhe Empire's.
>>97650450they probably just don't feel the need to copyright place names, while mally is a character and a pretty big one at that
>>97650450Araby crusades weren’t retconned, not sure why people think this. Estalia has been stated as invaded multiple times, and the Araby invasion and subsequent crusade has a mention in the core rules. Tomb Kings just also invaded.
>>97650467They think that because they don't read any of the lore. They wait for yourubers to summarize it for them while they fail to pay full attention to the videos they watch.
>>97650467>Araby crusades weren’t retconnedExcept they were with a arcane journal >but the core rule book -Doesn’t matter. Might be part of them expanding the scope even if they need to make another unsavory retcon.
>>97650582Point to where in the journal it contradicts the Araby crusades, besides the fact that there is now a Tomb Kings one.
>>97650599I gave my aj away, you can read the war of settras fury though to see it.
>>97650450I am 100% positive relatively recent WFRP material (as in 4-5 years ago) mentioned the Crusades
>>97650640I did, I still own it, and it doesn’t contradict it.
>>97649533Metal Big' Uns anon?I love your Battle Reports, by the way, please go on.
>>97650640>Trust me broNTA but there is a digital copy of the AJ in the OP. You could just screenshot it.
>>97650732>>97650599It doesn't specifically retcon the Arabyan crusades but it does suggest that there was a crusade involving the same knights at the same time against Nehekhara. It's not explicitly a retcon but it is odd that Araby is not even mentioned.
>>97650599>>97650650Notice the date at the start and compare to the old Arabyan crusades, particularly Bretonnia's timeline. If they weren't retconned, then it means you have two entirely different campaigns happening at the exact same time.Previously, it was mentioned that bretonnians were killed by Apophas on their way BACK from defeating Araby earlier that year, 1452 IC, which kickstarted a series of events that eventually led to retaliatory crusades against the Tomb Kings. So yeah, there WERE crusades against Nehekara later on, but going by TOW lore, the Tomb Kings were invading the Old World at the same time Araby was occupying Estalia, and crusades were being sent to the Land of the Dead at the same time that the Arabyans were being repelled and crusades were sent against their cities.Note the terms used. Land of the Dead, Nehekara, Zandri, revenant. All the while there's no mention whatsoever of an entire other invasion happening simultaneously.To be clear, I don't think they've retconned Araby itself, or it having conflicts with Estalia, but it does look like their role in the crusades we are familiar with was retconned, with them being switched out for Tomb Kings. Or the writers really, really fucked up.
>>97650763They might be soft reconning things to lose the Christian history influences. Hope they do something interesting with it though and not just leave it there.
>>97650763>>97650754The core rulebook also implies that the Arabyan armies were driven back by mercenaries, not knights.
>>97650763If the core rulebook is getting updated at some point this year, I guess we will know for sure, but the crusades are too ingrained in the origins for Knights of the blazing sun or the Knights Panther to fully retcon
>>97650790The Brettonian and Imperial were "foreign mercenaries" for Estllia, they didn't doit out of the goodness of their hearts
>>97650754>>97650763I initially read that as “in 1448, the king (who before 1448 allowed empire to invade nehekara) decided to counterinvade nehekara after they had previously invaded estalia, and in 1451 actually did it, which is technically one year after the Araby crusade ended in previous lore.Upon rereading I do think its weirdly worded, and though not an explicit retcon but I do think they are trying to divert attention away from the Araby crusades. So maybe I’m wrong then, but its still very wishy-washy in my eyes. I guess if the alleged 1.5 rulebook comes out and the Araby Crusade section is removed entirely, I’ll pick up my pitchfork.
I think it would make sense if they were to write araby as having been hijacked by tomb kings during the period of the crusadesmakes them a bit more present, gets around the usual arguments about depicting the crusades, avoids the cheaper cop out of saying it was just chaos behind it all, and it could serve to offer an army of renown where tomb kings can field "araby units" that are just generic profiles like the renegade crowns' list, effectively adding araby to the game without having to commit with model releases it's not like gw doesn't have elephants to convert for those purposes
>>97650813I would have certainly rather had Araby than Cathay.
>>97650813Didn't older lore have the Skaven be Sultan of Araby's backer during the Crusade?Making it the Tomb Kings wouldn't make a lot of sense since Araby really hates the Tomb Kings
>>97650795I agree with you anon, but let's be honest, the retcon is as simple as replacing the not-arabs with skellymen. The crusades are still here but now against undead.I think they wanted to remove the crusader vs arab stuff for sensitivity reasons. Araby still exists, and still gets into war, but by removing the burden of the crusades they can paint a prettier picture that won't offend folks if they ever choose to expand on them. I hate it if that's the case, but that's what it seems to be happening.
>>97650824>Making it the Tomb Kings wouldn't make a lot of sense since Araby really hates the Tomb KingsThey don't have to like being subjugated.
>>97650813I eagerly await for the glorious crusades against made sorcerer king Jaffarotep of the 3rd dinasty of Zandri.
>>97650825Yeah, I’m definitely second-guessing the Araby situation now, the new lore is weirdly worded and I hope it doesn’t signal a full retcon. Araby is cool and I hope to see them back in the game one day even if I doubt it will ever happen.Hell maybe them washing their hands of this stuff could signal a potential return, but at that rate, they may just be noblebright-ed like Cathay, in which case whats the point. The core rules at least mention multiple Araby invasions of Estalia, so hopefully they keep those, maybe just more as a political thing over Skaven influence, but I guess we’ll see.
>>97650873Why do people even want new factions if the old ones aren't even back?
>>97650763>>97650790Well I'll be damned, schizoanon is actually right for once
>>97650885I’m just accepting that legacies will likely never come back, so might as well explore “new” things. But if they do any more like Cathay, I don’t want it.
>>97650892Don’t even think he’s schitzo, that was one of the most pleasant debates I’ve had on this site lol. Just talking about the setting.
>>97650340>>97650351>the question now is why alchemy is outlawed thenMy guess is that it's like real China where they were autistic and conservative about their money and they didn't want any monetary fuckery going on. In Europe, they were also a bit cagey, but they eventually let some stuff slide like fractional reserve banking to get a leg up on their competitors and it allowed them to break out in the economic revolution. This is paralleled by Gelt's rise to power via fucking gold into lead for state enemies. The Empire is beginning to transition to fiat currency as they have accepted (though heavily discourage) that all value, even gold is liquid.This will inevitably end with an opium war style scenario where the Economically advanced Empire will get the chinaman addicted to warpstone snuff via economic and technological supremacy and create a fantasy century of humiliation for Cathay.
>>97650885Always been a fan of Tilea. They have those DaVinci wined flying machines, and a focus on pike and shot, but replacing the shot with the very Italian crossbow.
>>97650948Beter cannon tech than the Empire too.
>>97650298Oh for the GW of the 90s and early 00s when they didn't give a fuck what internet sjws they offended. Obviously stuff like pygmies in the 80s was just racist but we've gone way too far in the other direction - where you get perfect wonderful Cathay for fear of offending the CCP.
>>97650450Fuck I wish they'd rename Ind, Araby and Nippon, they're such stupid lazy names and they take you out of the immersion whenever you hear them. Even Cathay is only borderline just about acceptable.
>>97650972I honestly don't get your problem, the world and its cultures are very clearly very analogous to the real world ones regardless of the name of the land, why shy away from that? what does a special copyright friendly name accomplish?
>>97650965Oh buddy, they wrote Margaret Thatcher in as a historical character who broke the Empire and you think they were anti-woke.No. It was just a time they lacked the level of information they can access now and information about other cultures was heavily skewed by British centric accounts.Hell, we laugh about the Pygmies but that was meant to be a positive representation of the people.
>>97650972>Fuck I wish they'd rename Ind, Araby and NipponRaj, Hejaz and Zipang
>>97650972Cathay helps by not being a commoly recognized English name. Nippon would have been if it wasn't for weebs. Ind and Araby were peak 90s phoning it in though.
>>97650987NTA but those names are just lazy and arent exactly phonetic. Reminds me of starbucks fags.
>>97650951Do they? don't remember that being focused on. Only thing particularly cannon related I remember where Garbonzo Bean's Galloping Guns. ome light artillery that was easier to move about than great cannons. Think they were repurposed ship cannons or something in lore. anyways, I would think the more dwarf influenced Empire would be more cannon crazy.Though TBF, there is a lot of connections between Tilia and the empire that I don't think have ever been explained. Analogy wise it makes sense since much of northern Italy was nominally HRE so there was a lot of political connections, but I dont believe any particular connection is stated in the old world besides general cultural influence of the "Classical" south like the classical Gods of Verena and Mor on the "old" North Where Tal, and Ulric were native.
>>97650997Nuln's gunnery school was founded by a Tilean who used old Tolean cannons iirc.
>>97650996>>97650972TBF, is that any more lazy than Bretonnia, Albion, and Cathay?Most of the human nations/places are just alternate forms of HISTORICAL areas. IMO I always thought it was weird that the germanic people of the empire dont really have a collective endonym, besides being part of the riek (empire). Some equally lazy alternate form for Germanics like "Deutchen" or Teutones" or "Alimanes"
>>97651010Interesting. I always found it a bit Ironic that the Empire was so Cannon focused and the Bretonnians were somewhat backwards traditionalists, because Historically the FRENCH were at the forefront of Artillery during the Renaissance. During the late 100 years war and the Italian wars c.1425-1550. Though TBF, The HRE wasnt too behind either.
>>97651026>AlbionThis is the only good one. >cathay >bretsI want these surgically removed from the game either way.
>>97650988I don't think they were ever 'anti-woke', I just think they didn't give a shit about kowtowing to identity politics. They didn't feel the need to employ 'sensitivity teams' if they wanted to portray a race that wasn't white.The founders of the company were pretty left wing punks. That doesn't mean they like identity politics. Hell with how dominant this shit is these days, if we still had punks they'd probably be against it to be counter-culture.
>>97650992Yeah Cathay is the most acceptable as it requires some in depth historical knowlede to know it's origins (...or being a plane spotter).
>>97651052Tilea got DaVinci coded as artists and inventors so that might be why they get to have the better guns byt the Empire gets to be rhe faction known for using them en masse.
>>97651088They just want to be accurate and not rely on racists stereotypes. That means asking people who know the culture and history better than them.If anything it's probably because they are working with CA that they are reaching outside their ivory tower at all.
>>97650990Mahabhara, Hajiz and Zjipang
Curious to see if we'll see the new Cathay FAQ before we see the new Arcane Journal in pdf.
>>97651135>accuratethe whole shtick of the setting is being about stereotypes. Those stereotypes can be anything including good and bad. Stupid dirty peasants, plucky from the ranks underdogs. Self absorbed careless nobles, Benevolent honorable knights.Being "respectful" is just code for picking and choosing just the "positive" steryotypes.
>>97650102Yes, it's mine. The base was kinda problematic to put together, I had to fiddle around with it before it fell into place. First of all, make sure you have cleaned up all the tabs, gates etc. on the pieces. The two larger pieces will have a V shape to put the smaller in. Remember to do dryfitting beforehand!
>>97651189I didn't say "stereotypes", I said "racist stereotypes".GW doesn't want another Pygmies situation where a lack of good information leads to racist depictions of a group of people.Especially when they want that group to spend money on the products GW makes.It's not rocket surgery, it's capitalism.
>>97650132>Empire getting apemen before Cathay
>>97651206>racist stereotypesUsually a racist stereotype is just a negative stereotype.Buck tooth slant eyed deceitful chinaman with a bamboo hat is just as much a stereotype as a missing toothed cauliflower eared cowardly euro peasent with a pitch fork.
>>97651208Cathyian Monkey Men =/= Ape menaoemen or more of a REH Pulp invention than really anything to do with race or mythologySame with his Snakemen really.
>>97651249It's a negative stereotype born from malice and bigotry.It's not based on the actual negative traits of a people, but on an imaginary trait conjured up to belittle them as a people.And those are the kinds of things a company wants to avoid when entering a new market.
Bretonnian peasants are fine however. Nevermind how they weren't full retard in 5e
>>97651266>It's a negative stereotype born from malice and bigotry.In part, but usually there is some degree of truth that spawned and sustains a stereotype. They don't tend to be pure fabrications even though they might be flanderized. Afro-americans do have a culture that likes fried chicken, White americans do have a culture that likes mayo, and Krauts eat saurkraut. Now instead of placing those aspects within their context, modern sensibilities prefer to not address them at all or only being attention to things that are positive. IDK if Cathay had addressed Footbinding and familial guilt tripping and the like, like how the empire addresses forced marriage and social class inflexibility.On a functional buisness level I do agree, Companies would rather over correct rather than implying a wiff of potential money effecting backlash.
>>97651208aren't those just savage orcs?
>>97651347if one of the best sources for Ape-men is Goblins, that would imply it's something that isn't a greenskin sincew they would just consider it an orc or something
>>97651316Foot binding would be more Nippon.
>>97651392Diggaz in your Fantasy army?
>>97651205That makes more sense that what I was trying to do, thanks for the photo anon!
>>97651208>>97651347
>>97651424If Diggaz were anywhere in Fantasy, it would probably be the Badlands or the Darklands, surely rather than the Southlands
>>97651456Either way it would be hilarious
>>97650298>GW is hesitant to touch kislevFun fact, according to Creative Assembly you can play Kislev since 2020.
>>97651545I know we'll likely never know but the full inside story for TOW would be fascinating
>>97651545I think they just didn't want to shoot themselves in the foot and release Kislev as an edition launch faction the same time everyone was pissed off at Russia due to past writers tying them to Russia through lazy name recycling.I expect them out with 2.0 honestly.
>>97650195What was it
I've been trying to enjoy TOW since it came out but for some reason I'm just not feeling the "magic" of fantasy that I used to feel, even in late 8e. I can't quite put my finger on the actual issue, but I think a lot of the problem is that the new players just don't come into the hobby with the same mindset that we used to have when we played WHFB. Look at pic related, I know it's a diorama but I feel like when we used to play back then we were always trying to capture that specific vibe, but nowadays my TOW opponents are just trying to play 10e 40k with a fantasy skin over top of it. It's just not the same. Has anyone else been feeling the same or an I just talking to myself here?
>>97651690You're just getting old.
>>97651579Same but for the whole end times into early aos thing. I desperately want someone to do a documentary or whatever on the shitshow that gw must've been behind the scenes.
>>97651733No I'm not
>>97651743Bet you make a noise when you get up out of your seat.
>>97649449>Buy a bunch of asoiaf models because I figured they'd make great cheap whf empire models if rebased>Try the actual asoiaf game>Have a shitton of fun with it>Reluctant to rip them off the bases nowWhat's the solution here, bros? All the infantry is on 32s, so I'm looking at like a 4:5 ratio for every asoiaf rank to every 25 mm whf infantry rank. I'd take them off the bases, but they slot so nicely into the trays made for their actual game losing the bases would drive me insane.
>>97651757I'm 27
>>97651420no, footbinding is more of a Chinese thing, not a japanese thing.
>>97651773I’m pretty sure they have scale differences. Also it’s sad how little the game advertises itself, I’d be interested but I keep getting sidetracked with other stuff.
>>97651420>nippon Embarrassing
>>97651773>clegane bannerI'm reading acok atm so all I can say is fuck you
>>97651690I sort of felt the same. Did well in a local twice and it felt a bit hollow. second local I even podiumed and while felt ok, bit empty. Then I switched to Orcs and Goblins. Suddenly im having actual fun again.
>>97651783You're too young to be that nostalgic dor the good old days of WFB then.
>>97651208That's some real Conan/Solomon Kane shit. Howard loved his jungle monkes
Caught up with an old high school mate on the weekend over a pint, We used to play WFB back in the day and the mad lad got a job in games workshops digital marketing team a few years back.Asked him whats coming for ToW and he says were not far from seeing absolutely nothing get fucksd idiot on the warhammer community page
>nice sunny euro day>take a walk among the woods and valleys>imagine castles>completely in touch with my roots>ask myself why I don't play Bretonnia
>>97651792>I’m pretty sure they have scale differences. They're pretty closely sized to the Empire Knights I have, so I wouldn't think it'd be too bad. There's some guys that are definitely bigger like the Mountain, but I'd want him to be big as a stand in for a giga nigga captain or something.>>97651802Big words from small man in rape/murder range
Painted the best unit in Old World.
>>97651865>spoilerWas anyone expecting anything for TOW before Adepticon?
>>97651885/aosg/ is that way
>>97651867Bretonnia is perhaps the most shallow and vapid representation of medieval europe, which itself is not really a very inspirational period for mankind, being driven by superstition, dogma, stagnation and aristocratic self interest.
>>97651892Never heared of him
>>97651896Cathay exists, so...
>>97651885spooky
>>97651896What if I like the shallow and vaid representation of medieval Europe? It's comfy.Well if we ignore the mudpie eating peasant retcon.
>>97651773These are giant and way way out of scale for Warhammer fantasy. This
>>97651579>COVID 19>Russo-Ukraine warK-Kislev bros ... I'm tired ...surely 2026 is our year, right ?
>>97651885They look great anon. You came a long way from the first test model you posted.
>>97651953Never ever and that's a good thing
>>97649449>How do you want to expand your current army?I don't even want to think about that. At the moment I'm failing to squeeze the full variety of things I want to use into one 2000pt chorf army.
>>97651885I was just wondering how these would fare on squares. Seems more manageable than the regular skeletons.
>>97651867Brother is you actually want to give respect and recognition to your history and roots just play historical wargames instead of a satirical mockery of your history like Bretonnian or the Empire
>>97650132>Still gets merc'ed off screen by Grimgor during ETMan, the Dragon Emperor must have been made of bitch material to get his shit ruined by an angry green man
>>97652059That's not what happens though, Cathay defests the invasion but is ruined as a nation so they all board ships and sail away.Then the world explodes. Kinda how Nippon defeated their own invasion but still died if terminal shit lore.
>>97652059Let's just say there's more than one reason for them to make a prequel and never mention the End Times again
>>97651885Thats not beastmen GorsSilly anon you posted wrong picture
>>97652131They've made sure to mention the end times plenty of times
>>97652168>Lizardmen get a re-added in a couple years>They somehow prevent End Times due to time travel/foresight magicsAll according to the great plan
>>97652186What was up with that cheeky great plan mention anyway, that was like 6 months ago. What the fuck did they mean by that?
>>97652202Nothing.
>>97651690Meanwhile ToW: pic related >>97652054These manchildren aren't ready for that conversation
>>97652206I feel sorry for you. This is what my ToW games look like.
>>97652228That looks like a mess.
>>97652231It was, and it was an amazing experience.
>>97652228>reposting the only interesting game ever posted in the history of this general
>>97652255Be the change you want to see instead of just seething endlessly about the general bubPost YOUR epic games
>>97652255I play so many games that I don't even take pictures anymore. Maybe during tournaments but other than that I never really do. I may play at the WTC this year so maybe I will post some pictures from there.
>>97650754>>97650763>>97650790The Sultan was killed in illegal strikes conducted by the Bretonnian Air Force and you're discussing that?!
Is this guy from Knightmare sculpted by Kev Adams?
>>97652377I believe so, but it's weird the sculptor isn't credited, I thought these small stores would credit the big names
>>97651953It's Kyislyv.
I think Kislev will launch for 2.0. If the box rumors for TK vs WE turn out to be true (which I think they will) then I doubt we get Kislev at the end of the edition.Although they could probably max book sales by releasing Kislev near the end. With lots of people buying the books to have the first Kislev only book they put out. And then they'll buy the next book a year later in the next edition.
>>97650298the only problem with Araby is that it is usually portrayed as an evil faction, if it was Prince of Persia lite they'd release it tomorrow. The funny thing is that muslims literally could not give less of a fuck about pre-islamic middle eastern cultures so araby would fly totally under their radar let alone insult them.
>>97652528>The funny thing is that muslims literally could not give less of a fuck about pre-islamic middle eastern cultures so araby would fly totally under their radar let alone insult them.Isn't one of the problems with Araby, that it's one of the few Monothetist cultures in Warhammer fantasy?So it's not really a pre-Islamic culture
>>97652478I'm still in disbelief that the tk vs we box rumour is likely true. I mean what the fuck, and in the summer?!
>>97652581>wood elves and egyptian mummies in the winter snow
You guys remember the Night at the Museum rumor shitposting. Good times.
>>97652599Autumn would be the most kino. But I'm more referring to the competition with 40k's 11th edition launch.
>>97652553NTA but is it?
>>97652631In really old lore(late 80s/early 90s) they mention a One God of Araby in some books like Zaragoz, but I don't think it's ever been fleshed out
>>97652643makes sense, when they are mentioned, I dont remember a single God being particularly forefront in their shtich
>>97652653the in0universe writer for Blood on the Reik also calls them "heathens" which implies they follow a different religion than the rest of the world or at least the old world nations
Do you actually want peasants for brets in TOW besides the mandatory unit?Not a big fan of the models and I don't need the rulebook either so I'm trying to figure out if I want the big box or just buy the lord, kotr and pegasus kits separately. But I get the feeling I might regret it down the line.Pic unrelated
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>>97652773Peasants are very strong yes. A big brick of MAA with polearms is a great defensive objective holder.
>>97652773I don’t like mandatory units in general. Keep it a thing if I want to take some specific items or another different unit. But don’t just make that the bed.
>>97652944mandatory units is definitely worse than mandatory core and it created a problem GW then had to fix with AJs, which ended up breaking the game balance even further.
>aosg copying our OP’s nowLmao what a pathetic group of people
>>97652836you made it worse
>>97652836Was it truly necessary to deface a soulful shitpost with AI goyslop?
>>97652228Oh yeah? Well THIS is what MY games of TOW look like.
>>97652228NTA. I'd love to play on a more dense table but I'm not sure WFB is up to it.
>>97653332You sure it's just not YOU that is up to it
>>97649449I've had my dawi army finished for the past 2 and half months. Only addition I've added was an engineer (not the Grimm model). I want to add slayers, doomseekers, an anvil of doom, cannons, organ guns, the pony cart, and also other dwarf character models cause I love painting characters AND dwarfs. I'm not in a rush right now because I have a big backlog of models I just want to paint and some extra stuff for tau in 40k, but it'll come eventually.
>>97652983pretty clearly a joke on GW rehashing the box and giving it a new name
>>97651949Eh not really- they're like half a head taller than your typical whf stuff, but with the more realistic proportions they look almost smaller at the right angle
>>97652377You could e-mail the people who run that website. Their contact information is readily available.
>>97653521You need to post way more photos of this. Looks insane.
>>97651953The fucki is that thing?
>>97651896>Bretonnia is perhaps the most shallow and vapid representation of medieval europeOnly if your rely solely on armybooks.
>>97654008>only if you ignore the majority of their lore This isn’t what you think it means.
>>97654024>>only if you ignore the majority of their lore>legions of the supersoldiers who are strongest warriors in the universe AND THEY SHALL KNOW NO FEAR! etcmehAt least primarchs doesn't hide in the cuckshed (except of Lorgar)
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>>97654075>>97654078Hell yeah this looks incredible. Can we see a close up of Gortrek and Felix too please?
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>>97654082>>97654086>>97654089Genuinely impressive army/collection. You're making me want to start dwarfs.
>>97653332WFB is up to it, you're just a movement tray cvck.
>>97654093Preciate it anon. Dwarfs were always one of my favorite fantasy races, and they got me into warhammer altogether when I saw they are a playable race in total war. Just everything about them I love from their designs, the language, the stout resoluteness, them feeling uniquely dwarfy out of any fantasy setting, their religion, their society, the history and their relations with the other races. They felt like a real passion project to me and I'm going to keep painting more because I love painting them (especially their characters) up.
>>97649449I just bought a razorgor off ebay for 30$, build, primed and based, a steal since a new one comes at close to 60$ here.I'm also aligning to build a Ghorgon and a Great bray-Shaman, perhaps even some ungors with spears, have them infiltrate with my bow ungors for more harassment in my opponent's back line.I'm currently making some charactrers for my Empire army, which is not completely painted, damn 8th ed troops got too much crap on them for being a 6+ wound counter. Beastmen are more fun, and also my first evil army since starting miniature gaming (Got IG in 40k)
>>97650885Because the old ones are boring?Its not a secret that cathay is the best selling TOW faction because its new and more interesting than the other cliched slop.
>>97654407How good are chaos spawns in beastmen? I’ve been looking to get a kit cuz they look so fun to build.
>>97654622Anything with random movement has high impact on table state, though maybe not for its cost depending on the unit. Greater spawn are pretty good and about correctly costed, but I haven't tried the regular spawn.
>>97654616Honestly I picked up Cathay because Ogres and Skaven aren't supported factions and Wood Elves are don't function like a real faction unless you just lean into the cheese which feels too tourney-fag for me. And the Empire doesn't have faction rules to do anything interesting with.Cathay at least has some neat models, a decently wide roster and they do a bit of everything which made them interesting enough to pick up.
>>97654622Spawn are just dogshit. Use em if you want to throw your points away.
>>97654622I've only played a couple of games with that army against a Bretonnian exile army, so take it as it is, it's a so-so flanker, I took spawn of Slaanesh for strike first, the WS3 wasn't all that helpful, but it lasted a couple of turns when it flanked and got a few kills at first and then failed everything the next round and died.
>>97654670Ah, forgot to add, a razorgor might be a better buy and a troop choice too.
>>97654675I'd say razorgors are amongst the best core units from any army. 1+ unit size and unlimited number means they fill points easy and if you need hammers you can make them 3 wide or whatever.
>>97654075>all those metal unitsAbsolutely based!
Should all models partially under a blast template be hit automatically?
>>97654888I would say yes to that; that 4+ roll is simply another save where there's already 3 types of saves.
>>97654888considering the general increases in base sizes, I'd say yes, also because it's not the wider blast template that causes the real damage in a catapult shotif the flame template or non-catapult shot ended up being punitive I guess there could be a case to case difference between automatic hits, 4+ hits or 3+ or 2+ hits to adjust the damage
>>97652983>does he know?
>>97652983>he lacks critical informationTWW secondary moment
>>97654911>>97654959Yeah I'd agree with you. It speeds up the game a bit and is justifiable because of the increased base sizes.
>>97654888>>97654911>>97654959>>97655061Should just be that if the entire base is under the template it counts as an automatic hit, partially under the base 4+
>>97654818sweet terrain dude
>>97654888In the actual rules no. If they are fully covered, auto hit. Partially covered, 4+ to hit.
>>97655111>>97655143Were arguing in favour of streamlining it so that templates hit automatically, regardless of partial or full coverage of bases.
>>97655143I dont think he is asking for a rule clarification but should templates be buffed by removing the partial hit mechanic.
>>97655153>>97655157My bad. In that case, I think it could work but from a streamlining view but could see it being a bit too strong. Perhaps give it D6+2? I only say this as this could lead to disputes.
>>97655166Removing templates entirely would be a very controversial move for sure. It would remove a lot of disputes, but take out an element of wackiness (scattering projectile hitting your own troops) that old school Warhammer fans enjoy.
>>97654089>>97654086>>97654082>>97654078>>97654075Lovely army! Where are the shields from?
>>97655166Fantasy can enjoy standardised artillery and irregimented units, it would be dumb not to keep templates
>>97655166Yeah no. Any discussion that involves removing templates should not be up for discussion.
In the End Times (or otherwise) are there any examples of empire troops turning to chaos?
>>97655224Chaos empire is a cool idea. Witch hunters are always looking out for chaos cults and I think there's space in the fluff for a nobleman to fall into chaos and corrupt his personal army.
>>97655200Most of the longbeard and ranger shields are 3DS prints from 3D cults. Pretty sure theyre already based on the shields they came with but they fit, both thematically and physically.
Are there beastmen in cathay? Goats, not furries
>>97655224>that picI like the idea, and I'm not complaining but I just find it funny that the easiest way to make something look "turned chaos" is to give them self improved armoror in other cases, paint them dirty
>>97655251The cathayans hunted them to extinction to make boner pills from their horns.
>>97655251ra roo
>>97655259Is there any commentary on the social tendencies of the Cathayans?
>>97655237"thing, but chaos" is never a cool idea
>>97655296No, I just make it up based on racist stereotypes of Chinese people.>>97655297I disagree.
>>97655224This is awesome. In both 40k and Fantasy I always thought the idea of Chaos "regular humans" being led by a Sorcerer, Chaos champion, demon etc was a cooler army idea than just the army of Chaos super soldiers that we usually have.
>>97655308Something which brought me down to earth on how cool chaos warriors look is, you can spend years in the wastes, fighting inhuman monstrosities, face other champions, slay friends, finally get your armour then you just die unceremoniously in battle from a stray arrow or from a regular human. Kind of deflating.
>>97655329I don't see a problem with that.
>>97655338In what way? All of that only to get plinked and die seems very underwhelming. Though maybe it's very chaosy to go through hell and just die like that.
>>97655237I think it’d be cool if WoC got a cultist unit to represent the various sleeper cell cults that rise up when the actual armies of chaos arrive. Maybe a chaff unit that could have ambushers or scouts to represent them appearing behind the lines.
>>97655350The chaos gods are petty, cruel and have a sense of irony.
>>97655257I mean it kinda makes sense if they're like a lost expedition to the north
>>97655281why no beastmen in brazil?
>>97655355Guess that makes more sense. Still, kinda sucks for the chaos warrior.
>>97655371I think it's been a part of the fluff forever that most who walk the path of glory end up failing, either dying or becoming a chaos spawn.
>>97655297correct, which is why the ideal approach is not to make a 1:1 chaos version of what something else already has but a very asymmetrical equivalent that keeps the core concept (old worlders turned chaos) but changes everything else about how they look, behave and exist>based in the border princes >start as mercenaries employed by a lone wizard>the wizard is a dark magician (not the cute kind) and leads the troops on a slippery slope of corruption from mercenary work, to partnership, to shared service of fell powers>instead of relying on the brute strength of the northerners or the coordination and numbers of the non-corrupted old worlders, they make use of a blend of sorcery and technology >and in order to differentiate from the chaos dwarfs stuff, as well as to give a reasonable explanation of how they can reliably support the northern hordes despite coming from the south, we give them a focus on ranged cavalry, the use of portals and of flying fortressescultists and summoners unitpike and shotte infantry unitdragoons elite cavalry unitmutants-drawn light artilleryfloating wizard tower pack it and ship it
>>97655363no reason
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>>97655363Not based enough for Carnaval.
>>97655401Komodo dragons live in Indonesia
>>97655390where's that tower art from? it's pretty cool
I've recently heard that, out of all inspired works and IPs, Moorcock *really* hates Warhammer.But I wonder, why would he hate Warhammer that much, or if it's just 40k?
>>9765547650/50 because gw ripped him off with nothing showing for him and because he is one of those artists/writers who's very stuck up and thinks everyone else is a retard
>>97655422that's a lustrian dragon, silly
>>97655390I think you could represent most of that rules-wise with the new grand Cathay army list.
>>97655449storm of magic
>>97655525fozzrik's floating fortress in particular it was an underrated expansion, flawed in the swingy way 8th was, but I had fun with it
>>97655375Heck the realms of chaos book even had undead chaos champions (it was the chaos powers that sustained them not necromancy in the VC sense)
>>97655351Just get some free company militia minis, corrupt and mutate them a bit and then you’ll have your cultist
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>>97655584The idea of being able to take a bound merwyrm in my marienburg army is very appealing to me
>1690>in a joint effort to establish colonies in the southlands, grand cathay and estalia send fleets to map and settle the largely uncharted region>the estalian fleet makes landfall and looks expectantly to the eastern horizon for the sight of cathayan sails, but sees only dark storm clouds and the tell tale signs of abhorrent weather
>>97655665The frogs like the Spanish
>>97655665>it was cathayans AND estaliansoh, now that explains why the plaques had the slann send two hurricanes, it was meant to be one for each but instead they sent both towards cathay
I wanted to paint some trees and I found this box set for cheap so I got it so I could paint some trees and maybe theoretically use them for AoS at some point in the future if I ever played that game.But as time goes on, I am increasingly think I should buy some square bases for these guys, and use them as the start of a Wood Elf army so I can play TOW
>>97655691if you're looking for someones blessing, then sure, you can have it.
>>97655691Well TOW is better so yeah do that. Though until they release a tree-themed army of infamy, you’ll need some glade guard.
>>97655691Go for the host of Talsin variant list anon- you can ambush your trees.it also gives the treemen ancient access to a better lore.You do need 5 elf spearmen though- mandatory tax. - you’d need to Aquire some spear looking dudes- could even be trees who knows. Looks like you could get the following army going.84 - Branchwraiths, Great Weapon, Wizard Level 1, Battle Magic84 - Branchwraiths, Great Weapon, Wizard Level 1, Battle Magic84 - Branchwraiths, Great Weapon, Wizard Level 1, Battle Magic395 - Treemen Ancients, An Annoyance of Netlings, A Murder of Spites, A Befuddlement of Mischiefs, General, Wizard Level 4, Lore of the Wilds109 - 8 Dryads, Nymph109 - 8 Dryads, Nymph117 - 8 Dryads, Ambushers, Nymph117 - 8 Dryads, Ambushers, Nymph70 - 5 Eternal Guard, Shield, Musician245 - Treemen, Ambushers, A Lamentation of DespairsYou could bump it up to 1.5k by making. The branchwraiths lvl 2. But they are probably better as hammer handers.Is the list super effective? Probably not- but it should go fine for regular game- and it’s not too overwhelming to paint.
>>97655829holy shit I didn't realize I'd be able to get that kind of points out of it. Damn, I'm definitely doing it nowThanks, anons!
Female Free Company models for Empire. I just gotta push my agenda.
>>97655879now this would be a good first step to make empire more interesting.
Finally have the time to start playing again, bringing something that has some good stuff and lots of different rules to get my head back into 1.5. Would appreciate some feed back:Da Gits [1999 pts]Black Orc Warboss, General, War Boar, Trollhide Trousers, Da Choppiest Choppa - 228Orc Weirdnob, Level 3 Wizard Lore Familiar, Talisman of Protection, Battle Magic - 200Orc Bigboss, Great weapon, Light armour, Shield, Battle Standard Bearer, War Banner, Dead 'Ard Armour - 146Night Goblin Bigboss, Light armour, Shield, Giant Cave Squig, Ruby Ring of Ruin, Wollopa's One Hit Wunda - 11019 Black Orc Mob, Stubborn, Veteran, 11x Shields, 8x Great weapons, The Big Red Raggedy Flag, Full Command - 36119 Orc Mob, Warbows, Light armour, Shields, Full Command - 13120 Night Goblin Mob, Thrusting spears, Shields, 2x Fanatics , Full Command - 1479 Orc Boar Boy Mob, Cavalry spears, Heavy armour, Shields, Big 'Uns, Da Banner of Butchery, Full Command - 23510 Night Goblin Squig Hopper Mob, Cavalry spears, Light armour, Boss - 146Giant - 200Doom Diver Catapult - 95
>>97655879If your agenda is arousal, a lot of people share it
>>97655224In White Dwarf during 6th edition I think it was, they released an army list that was chaos Empire, it was basically the same except you had be led by a new 'Magister' hero that was a normal Imperial Wizard but with higher leadership and with access to chaos magic.
>>97655912Looks fairly good, will probably preform well. Giant and Doom Diver will add some fun to the list.
Huh
>>97654616lol.
>>97656025Like a year into aos GW decided to recycle isle of blood for AoS as a versus box under the name spire of dawn. I assume the /aosg/ op is play on that fact.
Has anyone found a way to use the AoS Aggradon models as cold one knights.They look a million times better than the shit tier Cold One Riders but they are so fucking big
>>97655915Why the fuck would you carry a banner like that. It looks extremely retarded
>>97655595> So this is that low fantasy mud core game I was telling you about
>>97656067>gooners>logic
Here are my armies, bros. I have some terrain I need to work on but currently burnt out.
So Grudge Bearer is getting a reprint
>>97656126> Toad dragonKINO, SOVL, and BASED.This male fucks (women).
>>97655558>>97655563>>97655568>>97655584>>97655565>Proto-age of smegmarEw.
>>97656168Gav books generally suck dick
>>97656242never read his books, but aren't his Dwarf books considered better than his Elf books since he doesn't have a hate boner for them?
>>97656236I didnt wanna say it but I was absolutely thinking it. >>97656242only book there thats worth reading is sigvalds if I were to be honest.
>>97655915Empire with no cod piece? 0/10
>>97656250It's still his shit writing style.
>>97656308Can't be worse than Bill King's "Lady Silkenthighs" champion of Slaanesh.
>>97656242grudge bearer is only a good read if you're into dorf lore and want to get a look at their shenanigans outside of battle. It's got a couple of cool characters
>>97656327you got a problem with classic chaos naming conventions?
>>97656357Why is Top rights name scrubb outed?
>>97656373It got them hanged.
>>97656373Because it said
>>97655563huh, didn't think the 7th ed skaven stuff made it into SoC timewise, it was the last release for fantasy I bought before dropping it pre-ET but I remember it being very late into 7th so surprised it made it in.
>>97656484storm of chaos isn't storm of magicstorm of chaos was at the end of 6th, and was a grand narrative campaign storm of magic was in the middle of 8th, and was practically fantasy apocalypse
>>97655251Look at all the beastmen heads.
>>97656373Niggerkiller Jones didn't keep up with the times
>>97656758Fuck ton of Ogres too.
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>>97656758Bigger (but smaller) map.>>97656771I think they are the Ogres tribes from the Mountains of Mourn, Ogres living in Cathay are probably uncharted.
>>97656798Yuan Bo is just swimming in Beastmen.
>>97656811*beastwomen
>>97656867*crowwomen
>>97656930Those are magically animated chunks of onyx.
>>97656968I thought they were elementals of the wind of shadow
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>>97657024The previous image and this one are all the lore we got on them so far.
Looks like Jav is backing the WE vs TK box releasing in the summer.
>>97655665>>97655685>The Slann accidently gave Cathay both barrels.That's really funny.
>>97657190And Jav has a good record? or are they just a troll
>>97657208I don't know honestly, but the initial rumormonger was 21/22 on the FAQ predictions so I still believe the overall rumor.
>>97657190This means nothing.
>>97657190>jav comes out in support of rumour that is basically soft confirmed already, only after the rumour is confirmed and months after it was first leakedquelle surprise
I dont give a crap about the old tk skellies. I want plastic melee ushabti
>>97657315The box isn't going to be one new kit, it's allegedly a starter set where every single model will be a new sculpt.
>>97657325There's also that leaked TK Battalion box that still hasn't been released
>>97657338Yeah but that probably isn't coming I imagine. Also that box was just a repack.
>>97657208Pretty good record, they got correct all the AJ contents for the initial 9 factions and he was the first to confirm that Cathay was on the way (weeks after GW said "don't expect Cathay anytime soon!")His only real miss was that he claimed some of the old metal dogs of war would come back with Renegade Crowns, but sadly that didn't happen
>>97657372>Pretty good recordfuck off Jav. Stick to your trooncord.
>>97657190It would make sense. A starter box is kinda required for a game, it's nuts there wasn't one at launch
AJ fluff sections leaked yet?
>>97657397if anything the TOW release just proved a starter box isn't required and GW have clearly realized two faction boxes don't sell as well and are more controversial overall since they no longer do those boxes in AoS or 40k. IF this box is even a thing which is still dubious it is probably going to be temporary and promotional not a permanent startup box.
>>97657372He's been too correct in the past to deny he is (or was) in the know, but he also gets plenty of shit wrong. First thing that springs to mind is teclis/tyrion/morghur appearing as characters, as well as the dates of some releases "[x] is coming in three weeks!" meanwhile it's the next sunday or something like that y'know.Also lately he's done nothing but vaguepost and repeat rumours from other credible mongers so I assume he's lost his connections and is trying to stay relevant.
>>97657429>teclis/tyrion/morghurI'm pretty sure he explicitly deconfirmed these, I'd have to check the rumor archives.>as well as the dates of some releases "[x] is coming in three weeks!You're leaving out that he explicitly said "I don't have any insight on actual release dates, this is just my guess not a leak."
>>97657469Stop using he, jab, we know it’s you.
>>97657469Back to discord with you
What are your thoughts on using really old rogue trader-era chaos renegade models as chaos warriors/champions? I'm personally very fond of the idea, provided the backpacks are removed, but it also really depends on the sculpt. Anything from after the RoC era is a little too marine-shaped for my blood.
>>97657560I think 40k fucking sucks.
>>97657537"Stop making me look retarded"
>>97657576While I do agree with you, are we to forsake cool sculpts simply due to them being associated with a bad game?
>>97657315>I want plastic ushabtino, you won't, there's no chance in hell that whatever plastic kit they cook up will live up to their standards
>>97657596This. I’ve been very…underwhelmed with the recent sculpt quality that have been dropped with the old worlds logo. Marauders, Cathay as a whole, they all were severely underwhelming from just a sprue/assembly/hobbyist perspective. They are jigsaw puzzles, and they don’t even have the decency of looking good. I won’t beat the dead horse that is the tomb king dragon, but the Bretonian Pegasus and longma rider are extremely awfully cartoony looking, and are bad. Maybe I’d be more receptive if they were sticking with the 28mm scaling, but it’s too toy like. At least HH has managed to keep their design philosophy relatively pleasant for sprues.
Reminder don't engage, report for off topic and report him for samefagging when he inevitably samefags.
>>97656357There's something very cute about these older models. Maybe it's the proportions, or the design sensibilities, or the shields which encourage and even outright require you to freehand something on them, but they're just wonderful. Boris, Gladstone, Gigal, Papworth, Zog, Erc (who I believe is actually Eric, see other catalogues for proof), and Cedric are my favourites.Slambo is overrated. Seminal, yes, but overrated. Pestilens gets an honorary mention for his shield. Very cute.
>>97657640>MaraudersCredibility lost, they are better than the old marauders by a country mile and much better than the Dark Oath garbage put out by AoS
>>97657692Don't feed the historical troll.
>>97657693Sorry, didn't see the image he uploaded until after I posted...
>>97657692Just for the fact that they are nonsensical and can’t be used for kitbashes or conversions and have the worst motifs in chaos now, I’m not sure if they can even be considered anything other than a bad parody.
I never understood complaints about sprue layout. Like the actual assembly being ass on certain models being ass like the sentinel, yeah sure absolutely. But the sprue layout? Did none of you play with lego as a kid? Or build an ikea shelf? Just follow the instructions man how hard can it be? Are there some kits with fucked up arcane instructions out there that I don't know about?
>>97657692As unpopular of an opinion as it is, I like the 6th ed plastic marauders. They pale in comparison to their predecessors (and I may be getting my hands on some of the really old masked metal marauders soon) but I like them and I think they're cooler than the ones that came out recently, if for no other reason than their muscularity.
>>97657752You wouldn’t get it. Someone post the image of the Aos chaos knight assembly instructions vs the superior 7th edition chaos knights.You get legs sculpted onto mounts, weird angling positions to fit arms onto shoulders, it’s just awful.
>>97657791The aos knight kit is a weird one since it came out originally as a pushfit "easy to build" (lol) version together with similarily pushfit warriors for a start collecting set in 2018 or so. But then around 2023 when they redid the chaos warriors and made it an actual kit instead of monopose, they for some reason didn't do the same for the knights. I'm pretty sure they just tossed in a small extra sprue so you could build a banner bearer, musician, and champion with special shield and weapon. That's why it's sliced up so weird and has pegs and whatnot.Very strange kit history.
>The sorcerers of Grand Cathay learn the art of magic from the Dragons, attaining unparalleled mastery of the Elemental Winds, weaving them together to confound and destroy the enemy, much as the magic practitioners of the Old World do. What sets apart the Wizards of Grand Cathay from those of the Old World is how these winds are blended together. Those that would study the arts of magic in the Empire of Sigmar rarely have such knowledgeable tutors in the arcane arts, resulting in the comparatively barbaric approach of forcing the Winds of Magic to bend to their will in order to produce their spells, an effective but rather brutish and often dangerous method of casting spells – a stark contrast to their Cathayan counterparts, who carefully sculpt and artfully redirect the Elemental Winds to produce their magic.>Another advantage that Cathayan sorcerers have is that the source of their magical knowledge is still close at hand, for it was the Celestial Dragon and his children who first shared the secrets of magic with them. Wizards of extreme skill can often be found in the company of the Dragons, learning first-hand how best to manipulate the Elemental Winds from those who have done so for many centuries.>The human Wizards of the Old World, however, must rely upon ancient tomes and dark grimoires of dubious origin to learn the mysteries of magic. Many are the Wizards who have taken the dangerous path of trying to learn their own limits through trial and error, experimenting with incantations of their own devising or placing their trust in poorly translated cantrips found in dusty tomes – often with fatal consequences for themselves and those in the immediate area.
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>>97657949>cathayan AJ>has to put in an extra blurb about how shit old world wizard arelmao this reads like a /wfg/ shitpost
>>97650340>the question now is why alchemy is outlawed thenMy reading of it is that it's not so much that alchemy is banned, rather it's that the House of Secrets as an entity isn't formally recognized in the Celestial Court.
>>97657975>>97657949Chatthay really is just a longwinded humiliation ritual for everyone else to endure.
>>97657996Eh, it’s our tau moment. I agree that they are written way too much like Mary sues currently, but that mirrors Tau in the beginning. And look where Tau are now. I assume this is the usual gas up an army for its release and then continue to tone them down and darken/flesh them out over time.
>>97658029>And look where Tau are now.What about them? Lore wise they’re insignificant and are still boring as hell. The only reason they caught on is because of mentally ill gooners.
>>97658044They went from being good guys working together in harmony for the greater good to being a race of people placed into rigid castes and brainwashed by their Ethereal leaders into compliance. Their free will being closer to an illusion than reality. There are splinter Tau freed of ethereal oppression that war against the main tau now too.
>>97658060>people placed into rigid castes and brainwashed by their Ethereal leaders into compliance. Their free will being closer to an illusion than reality. Ngl this is boring. I’ve seen order 66 Enough to be numb by it.>conflict Eh. Feels like something that should be baked in with every faction.
>>97658060>They went fromThey had shady origins, ethereal mind control, rigid castes and the farsight enclaves since day oneThe tau were better written from the get go, meanwhile cathay only got wank after wank since its introduction 5 years ago
>>97658081Well we do have in the very first AJ for Cathay a story where it says in the aftermath the survivors were brainwashed to not remember the true events of what happened with that dragon daughters expedition into the Chaos Wastes that ended up with the dragon children slaughtering their own and then each other.
Is there anyhting GW made negative about Cathay?
>>97658115Yes, you can read all the AJ in the OP and see/judge for yourself.
>>97658104>brainwashed Oh my god, I don’t fucking care. This is the laziest plot device ever. Goad her, mislead her, anything but giving them some damn accountability.
>>97658124Maybe read the AJ because that’s not what’s in the story nor what I said. The dragon children are not brainwashed. The brainwash the people after the event to make them forget it happened/remember it differently. The reason why it happened what the Chaos Gods corrupting the pride of one of the dragon children.
>>97656798They did yin yin dirty.Inb4 GW make her ugly and no one likes her
>>97658147They already did with Miao, our best hope is that she’s a femboy.
>At the heart of the Old World sprawls the Empire, the largest and most powerful of the human realms.Well that's out of date.
>>97650197I hope not. New CA dlc will have good aligned beastmen and if GW were give the chance they would retcon the entire ot setting again for corpo slop.
>>97658147Yin yin canonically died of retardation. The lore writers are underpaid interns who made a mistake and didn’t know this. It will be fixed in the next AJ.
>>97658182cathay is a dragon realm
>>97658182Wasnt it "the most powerful human nation in the old world" or somesuch?
>>97658182"The Old World" is the stuff west of Grand Cathay.
>>97658147See >>97656779
>>97658281It says the empire lies in the old world not that it's the most powerful realm in the old world
>>97656798Zhao Ming just chilling and cooking in his state sanctioned warpmeth lab.
>>97657560Canon
>>97656798They still haven't given Cathayan names to any of the chaos gods but Tzeentch. And besides the Monkey king nothing is said of local antagonists to the dragons. Like there are no big name chaos champions or vampire lords who sprung up in their hemisphere, the only ones mentioned are westerners who migrated in.
>>97658410The Jade blooded Vampires exist in canon no?
>>97657560completely anachronistic models are ok in chaos as long as they are diluted inside equivalent units, instead of being separate units, and don't get special treatmentsbetween one in five and one in ten, I'd say
Are Lizardmen immortal? I'm fairly certain spawning pools can't be built or repaired, so Lizardmen are always low on numbers hence why even though they drove all their enemies out of Lustria, it's still covered in abandoned city ruins. However every now and then you here about them reoccupying one or sending some expedition somewhere. So are they just making huge sacrifices for temporary gains, or are they immortal, and so they can turtle up and build strength?
>>97658433They are mentioned in TWW and i think the original one is mentioned in the new AJ
>>97658576all of them but Skinks I think
>>97657414>if anything the TOW release just proved a starter box isn't required and GW have clearly realized two faction boxes don't sell as well and are more controversial overall since they no longer do those boxes in AoS or 40k.On the other hand, The two faction starters for 40k have been the best selling box GW has ever made like three editions in a row. And Skaventide sold super well too, even if they did overproduce it.And the Kill Team boxes sell out instantlyAnd they did a two team starter for the new Blood Bowl just a few months ago.And the Necromunda starter is still available even though it's a bad box and the rules inside are thoroughly useless.
What happened to YouTubeGrimDark Narrator channel?
>>97658836His videos got deleted due to YouTube bots thinking his stuff was AI apprantly
>>97658846 Was that decision made by machines?
>>97658983According to Valrak yes
>>97658991Who Valrak?
What does this image make you think and also I need Warhammer fantasy ogre kingdoms or just plane ogre fan art.
>>97658996the fat onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdiUgcu9npk
>>97658846pretty sure it was AI
>>97659071 He's been around too long for that.It's was older than AI was available to the public without costing you a fortune.
>>97658121Where is the scan of the Breaching of the Great Bastion
>>97659032>What does this image make you thinkCathay models need bigger tits>also I need Warhammer fantasy ogre kingdomsagreed. Especially now that Cathay is such a big player, it's the perfect opportunity to make Ogres more important to the lore.>just plane ogre fan art.I gotcha
>>97659187That’s not out yet for a couple of weeks
>>97658115Cathay Arcane Journal:>Mention of internal rebellions in Cathay (page 5)>Demons whispering to the Emperor in his dreams, asking him for help getting through the polar-gates (p5)>Shiyama leading her army to the Chaos realm but sorcery made her kill her own soldiers (p8)>Miao's army killing the retreating Shiyama because of Chaos sorcery (p8)>Moon Empress Cathay-wide erasing memory of Shiyama being alive (p9)>Mention about how the latest departure of the Emperor and Emperess led to some turmoil and disharmony (p11)>Emperor cannot save the Sky Titans and as a last resort to repeal the Ogres he must use a Warpstone meteor (p14)>Emperor being very scaryof Nagash (p16)>Mention of nobles scheming behind Miao's back in Nan-Gau (p27)>Warpstone Sentinels, made of clay mixed with warpstone dust, those who stay too long near them become Chaotic (p37)>Lore of Yin can literally summon ghosts from the underworld (p47)
>>97657975This is before the Empire founded the Colleges and adopted proper magical education.
>>97658044Based on the Miao Ying art the gooners are already here.
Anybody doing better Glade Guard than the GW ones?
>>97655958I suppose with old world rules you could just straight up run an empire army with a daemonology wizard
>>97659692Yeah, because "daemon" is a being between a god and a mortal and could be just about anything from between those two states.We just assume it's Chaos related because usually it's a Chaos Daemon we see being summoned.It's a lot like how Necromancy isn't all about leading armies of wandering corpses.
That Cathayan wizards can use high magic only confirms what everyone should have already taken for granted: Teclis is a goddamn liar.
>>97659760I mean, he's an elf. If he's breathing he's lying.
>>97659846>>97659846>>97659846>>97659846New
>>97658576slann live indefinitely and rejuvenate their bodies by taking baths in magical wellspringssaurus are not reported of dying of old age, they only die in battleskinks are relatively short lived, the oldest ones get to around a century or twowe don't know exactly how the spawning pools first got established but we know that even nominally abandoned and ruined places have spawning pools that keep churning out lizardmen to some extent it is also quite possible that the lizardmen also have ways to establish new spawning pools or at least reawaken dormant ones that might be present in many places, since the lizardmen empire used to be much much larger and all over the worldin aos it's shown that the waters for the spawning pools ultimately come from the temples and that the rate of spawning and finer functions of the pools can be manually adjusted like in a machine by the slann, or high ranking skinks in dire caseseven if in the old world it doesn't seem that the lizardmen adjust anything regarding the pools, they still produce great amounts of warriors coincidentally with whatever the lizardmen end up needing, the lizardmen believe the old ones had the future already mapped out and that the spawning pools were preprogrammed with all the spawnings they would ever need at the exact time they would need it
>>97657773The metal marauders are good, but to me, the whole "evil vikings" aspect of the chaos warriors feels both uninspired and overdone. Marauders are but a pale shadow of what once were the chaos thugs: truly chaotic, unruly hordes of mutants, looters and antisocial weirdos.Having standardized troops just doesn't feel chaotic enough. Then again, chaos peaked with the RoC books and has been going downhill ever since.
