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>tqI like playing the most because that's when all my painting and converting pays off and I get to see what horrors I have wrought unleashed upon the fields of battle.
>>97659899Unfathomably kino picture. But what's with the (Magic?) card beside the Shugengen?
>New-Grand Cathay>only new thing is sold out
>>97659861Elf hands typed this post.
>>97659912NTA, but I been seeing people do this at a few places. Using magic cards to show remains in play spell effects on units.
>>97659941Oh ok. I think it's really dumb that GW produces magic cards but they are only limited runs instead of a permanent product. Like everyone could use a set of all the core spell cards no matter when they get into the game.
>>97659912My opponent uses cards like that one to keep track of his spells. If I recall correctly, that specific spell was representing the Fury of Khaine spell.
>>97659947It seems like a super easy sell, but I guess GW continues to be bad a business. I've thought about getting a couple made with custom art/text for my vortex spells. being able to sit it down as the right size for the effects would be nice to have.
>>97660007>Celestial Dragon takes on 12 Greater Daemons at once and winsI'm tired boss
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>>97660040Thanks for the uploads lad. I really want pirate ogres to be a thing. Also Hobgoblins mentioned is great.
>>97660040Yin-Yin canonically reaffirmed to be a retard
>>97660019You are ignoring he only could do it because he brought all of Catgay with him and his entire family was fighting off everything else allowing him to solo thise daemons.Meanwhile one dwarf was out west holding a gate solo killing more daemons than all of Cathay combined.And then the Slaan said "no".
>>97660019Wasn't there one elf who fought against four greater daemons at the same time? Not justifying this piece of fluff, but dragons are more powerful than elves and greater demons have a long history of jobbing.
>>97660040>Frogs almost killed Miao by destroying the bastion in -1500
>>97660066Pretty sure that was Anerion (with the sword of Khaine) and atop Indraugnir. But calling him "one elf" is almost like calling Sigmar just a dude.
>>97660019>noooooooo, cathay isnt allowed to be strong because my statesponsored anti-china propaganda told me china is bad and cathay is china!
You ever build a unit where the second 10 you paint end up looking much better than the first 10? I think because this ended up being more about the process/ordering and a different approach for me, I won't be able to adjust the first 10 in a suitable way to get the same effect. How do you guys sidestep this autism?
Do any other Fantasy players struggle to get into 40k? I've played Fantasy for 20 years and many times throughout that period I've gotten inspired to start a 40k army but a few days into my interest I just stop caring. Obviously 10e is dogshit but even with the classic editions like 2e-4e it just cannot grip me the way Fantasy does, not for more than a day or 2 anyways
>>97659899Can I see the chaos champion from the front? Looks brill!
>>97660189Ni hao, Chang. How many social credits did you get for that post?
>>97660338Enough to buy your mom and be your dad. Go clean your room.
>>97660310I've had a bit of weirder scenario with that. I started with total war warhammer because I like fantasy settings a lot and I love dwarfs. I did learn more about 40k and since that was supported, I went with Tau. I eventually painted a 2K army of Tau, but I am still unsure if I'm fond of it. Too many gotcha moments, removal of points per model and gear (started in 9th), the boring as hell terrain, and it being obscenely killy so all the units I worked hard to paint just drop like flies. Dwarfs had become my passion project and the 3 games I played of Old World were far more fun than most of my 40K games. None were stomps, units took time to defeat, proper mispositioning didn't lead to immediate death, and things felt more flavorful. Most of my friends are still playing 40k, but I've been slowly convincing them to join the old world and I've been enjoying playing with the guys at my game store.
>>97659846>TQPainting and converting. Some people are really good at making cool conversions, and the older WD articles that showed off conversions and alternative paint schemes were a joy to read
>>97660066aenarion while acting as the physical vessel for both asuryan and khaine, and with a dragon
>>97660040They observe a Twin-tailed comet in 0 IC, yet that comet showed up when Sigmar was born, in -30 IC.They don't know SHIT
>>97660249Don’t do small batches, build everything, paint each step on everything until it’s done then base everything so it’s all the same
>>97660019probably lower level scrubs compared to the exalted champions aenarion facedlike when kroak was killed by 12 bloodthirsters and then snapped them, and the rest of the demons attacking itza, out of existence those 12 surely weren't skarbrand, anngrath, khabanda and other of the first circle of thirsters
>>97660249Use my army as a show case of my growing skills in painting
>>97660338unlike you, Im actually european.
>>97660440You poor poor soul.
>>97660435Kroak snapped every daemon on the planet off the planet.The impressive part is the fact a frog snapped.
Why are woodelves such utter shit. Just give glade guard back s4 shooting at close range so we have something
>>97660129Sigmar WAS just a dude, he was just very good at bonking things
>>97660459the armies entire identity is just meant to be something that either cheats the game or is just flat out dogshit because of their entire identity.
>>97660428the comet has weird behaviours, lizardmen kept seeing it in their skies in the century they kept sacrificing skaven to summon sotek
>>97660475>Then why didn't they saw it 30 years earlier then?It's crap, who cares, just make the Great War Against Chaos already.
>>97659846Painting and playing but I love thinking of background for my army as they're more or less a roving warband.
>>97660491for the same reason the lizardmen saw it longer than the rest of the world magicazyr in particular distorts the light coming from starts and other celestial objects, so that constellations end up appearing in different places from where they should be, and so that a person who knows about the stars can look up, see the new arrangements, calculate how much azyr is up in the sky and where, and divine the future with those informationsthe men of the empire saw the comet first because azyr distorted light there so that they would see the comet firstor because imperial chronology is faulty your pick
It should of Been Nippon. Japan has a ton more grimdark folklore and media to tap into that actually fits into the setting better and they don't get buitthurt when you lean into the darkest periods of their history.
>>97660567You are just as bad as the people who wanted cathay for the simple use of calling it nippon.
>>97660567I've seen a bajillion properties doing everything possible with japan, I'll take something else thanks
>>97660514>thinking of background for my armyOh yeah, that too is fun, even if its a small blurb for units. Gives them character and it evolves as you play games
Hi, anyone has a Old World Fantasy Core module for foundry?
>>97659947Also out of date, like most books and cards sold for the game. It's pretty easy to make your own. I just print them two sided (Spell on the other side & Spell school on the other), laminate the paper and cut out the cards.
>>97660567>japan has fewer potential customers and a stronger competition in modelling kits>nippon had even fewer fluff to start with and what was there was silly car jokes>if we had nippon, the same people now asking for it would ask for cathay instead last but not least, it was total war, 3 chinkdom was a relatively big success of theirs into the asian market and they wanted to repeat that with warhammer, plus they aimed to cover as close as possible to the totality of the warhammer world map, and cathay is ultimately the much larger and more central landmassthe one and only solution was always to stitch together all oriental factions into one very heterogeneous armybook with lots of contradictory internal dynamics, but that gets in the way of shamelessly sucking up to china
>>97660567Wouldn't mind some cool puppets
>>97659846>TQIt's definitely converting. My current project is going hog wild making chaos armour helmets. It started out with me thinking that I'll just make a couple for the Nurgle Knights I've been working on but I'm already at about 30 or so helms. It's pretty fun.
What (if any) are the nuances of Cathay that make it perhaps not as noblebright as it seems at face value?
>>97660712>“Mind control”
>>97660655They can still do that, the format of arcane journals, armies of infamy, mercenaries and reinforcement sets, plus the precedent of the renegade crowns, means they can vomit out a booklet and 3 kits and call it an armyif anything I'd say that an "ind warriors army reinforcement set" containing one kit of tigermen (x2), one kit of monkeymen (x2), and some token hero kit, is more than likely down the line.
finished 2 spawn of tzeentch. You can't see it but I made a cool lava effect on their bases
What rules changes would you like to see in 2nd edition? For me, I'd like to see the following>Templates autohit>Monstrous infantry viable >Cavalry take extra penalties for moving in difficult terrain>Skirmishers should be weakened
>>97660712Best I can do
>>97660712if we take things at face value, nothing, there is no nuance or depth or conflict, just a distant utopia where the rulers act with complete benevolence and the servants know and accept their place under their betters, a nation far in advance of anyone else culturally and where any and all problems come from overt or subtle foreign invaders we must read in-between the lines, separate hyperboles from facts and extrapolate from what's not touched upon, if we want to carve a semblance of a verisimilarly multifaceted society out of cathay>forced technological and economical stagnation >suppression of religions and alternative magics>dishonest or oppressive subjugation of the population>the dragon's ultimate goal might not be in the interests of humans >the moon empress is shady as all hells and then some>the rulers are more or less detached from mortal concerns >the dragon children squabble for power between themselves
>>97659602Oathmark Elf Light Infantry
>>97660772I'd remove most of the jank and clumsy rules.>Free wheeling on charge>Templates autohit (obviously requires some stat adjusting)>Redo the entire skirmishing system>Reduce character PTS allowance>Make other weapon types besides HW+S & GW actually good to use.>Give monstrous infantry press of battle and parry.
>>97660772go back to fully separating the profiles of rider and steed, but you still need to kill both before either is gonecompletely rework how cannons work, overall making them significantly weaker and/or less accurate make marching columns faster or allow units to reform after so that they are viable for more units ramp up significantly how far units are moved or are pushed back as a result of combat
>>97660772Make weight a thing.
>>97660779So they’re the imperium of man. Got it.
>>97660834>completely rework how cannons work, overall making them significantly weaker and/or less accurateThey're already nerfed from 8th and are just fine (unless spammed). They're mandatory for some armies (Empire and dwarfs)
>>97660772Forgot to mention to give halberds fight in extra rank.
>>97660848>and are just fine (unless spammed)they are always spammed in any army they can be taken specifically because they are not just finethe armies you think should be able to rely on them should be able to stand without them as well
>>97660797>>Give monstrous infantry press of battle and parry.I don't like either of these and I hope they figure out a better way to balance things. Press of Battle is just more needless complexity, and parry makes the cheapest option often better than the ones that cost points. I'd rather see everything else nerfed than have infantry with these buffs. Obviously they're a nice bandaid for this edition, but I hope they figure out something better.
>>97659846Can someone explain to me why people on the internet think skirmishers are monstrously OP and need a complete redesign?I'm just not seeing the problem.
What are my Glade Guard options other than the official kit? Preferably something with non-fucked heads and less ugly legs
>>97660946Only thing I’ve seen people use are those Aos archers with some different dark elf heads.
>>97660946wait and pray print shadow warriors kit with spare hoods from the eternal guards kitget the glade guards and find out all your issues with them come from outdated paintjobs
>>97660946There's MESBG if you don't mind the scale difference. Although there's no command models not even separately
>>97659947Sorry sweetie that would only produce a profit margin of 500% and for it to be a permanent product it needs a non profit margin of 700%
>>97660019> Aenerion the Defender, literal savior of the world, along with the greatest dragon of the age (allegedly), fought 4 at once, and his dragon was mortally wounded, and he was the literal avatar of two elven godsCHIN-CATHAY NUMBA ONE!!!Remember: Cathayan Nippon BELONGS to the Celestial Dragons!
>>976601891000 social credit!!!Is this literally Rob from the Faggot Wargamer??
>>97659947Bro, they don't even sell scatter dice.
>>97660955these guys?
>>97660902They're spammed because they lack the punch otherwise. Nerfing them would make people spam them even more>the armies you think should be able to rely on them should be able to stand without them as wellAbsolutely not. Not every army needs to be identical
>>97660992Nah the other ones, the lumineth ones. Granted those work better as way watchers.
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>>97661009I take it back, that looks ridiculous
>>97661003>They're spammed because they lack the punch otherwise.No, they are spammed because they're good, you absolute fucking retard, nobody spams pillow fisted shit because they suddenly start packing a punch.
>>97661013Learn to play.
>>97661018how many cannons do you field?
>>976610191-2
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the prices for ushabti on ebay are even worse today. I should have boughted that one for 25 bucks 6 weeks ago.
>>97661056I should have gotten that chubby librarian pregnant 4 years ago.
>>97661013Cannons are fine. Stop playing againts skew lists. If a unit is spammed it should be limited, not nerfed.If somebody brings 6 cannons you can just tell them to fuck off and you want to play a fun and interactive game. This applies to any kind of skewing.
>>97661056I should've said yes when that mousy goth chick asked me to dance with her in the senior prom
>>97661065I should have dated that 19yo who was into me 5 years ago, and held my cryptocurrency for the Day of the Barrel instead of selling for a merely 30% profit. Fuck you Gilles, fuck you and your tranny yacht you imbecile.
>>97661005oh damn, the leader even has a bird
>>97661052That's the most boring thing I've ever seen
>>97661093I cant fathom how retarded these look.Great example of AoE miniature design, adding stuff just because.
>>97661072>If a unit is spammed it should be limited, not nerfed.Why shouldn't it be nerfed when the unit gets spammed specifically because it's overpowered?What's the limit you think cannons should have? 2 cannons per 1000pts? that's still 4 cannons at 2000pts, and that's still more than enough to deal with any of their intended targets and have time to spare to try to snipe characters, because they are that overpowered1 cannon per 1000pts? that's still going to mean any and all armies that can take them will take 2 every single game, because they are a no-brainer option such is their strength When do you think something is overpowered? only when your army doesn't have one?
>>97660362That's a great feel good story and your white dwarf looks extremely nice
>>97661111This take is so retarded on so many levels. There are many worse things in TOW that are skewed than cannons.
>>97661107I think they'd look fine with a headswap. The weird helmets are what push them over the edge of too much, imo.
>>97661072>Cannons are fine.>They just ruin the game unless the person who can field them is benevolent.
>>97661124Nobody here is saying they're the only thing that must be fixed, but cannons are absolutely one of the things that must be fixed as well.
>>97661127Pretty much. This is why they call warhammer a gentleman's game.You can ruin your opponent's day by skewing to any sort of list.
>>97661139you can't ruin a game by spending the same points you spend on cannons but on mortars, funny how that works, doesn't it?
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>>97661147 You dont have to play against opponents who skew lists. Discuss with your fucking opponent what kind of a game you want to play. This is 1.01 Warhammer
>>97661155>Discuss with your fucking opponent what kind of a game you want to play.I want to play a game where cannons are balanced and not overpowered.How many are you going to field at our 2000pts game?
What are some Cathaycore films to watch?
>>97661174Catalinaville
>>97661169NTA but is artillery so OP in ToW? I have no idea how it looks now because I play 5th&6th.
>>97661174The Great Wall (2016)
>>97661220It stars Matt Damon, not very kosher.
>>97661220>fantasy tyranidsthese little shits were cool, imagine if warhammer was allowed to have some and they emerged from the great maw or some secondary little maw they erroneously called down from the heavens
>>97661336>flesh hounds with tyranid crests
161 - Beastlord, Heavy Armour, Shield, General, Pelt of the Dark Young220 - Great Bray-Shaman, Wizard Level 4, Daemonology, Dispel Scroll, Power Scroll30 - 5 Chaos Warhounds140 - 20 Gor Herds, Shield140 - 20 Gor Herds, Additional Hand Weapon120 - 20 Ungor Herds, Shortbow, Ambushers120 - 20 Ungor Herds, Shield, Thrusting Spear201 - 15 Bestigor Herds, Standard Bearer236 - 10 Centigor Herds, Cavalry Spear, Ambushers, Standard Bearer, Razor Standard100 - Herdstone120 - Razorgor Chariots215 - Cygor195 - JabberslytheIs this good enough?
>>97660416>>97660019>Western dragon: struggle in 1 vs 1against greater demon, let elf ride him in battle>Eastern dragon: solo 12 greater demons, only ride human in a sexual way
>>97661558Supreme dragon.
>>97660040>>97660045I see what the writers are doing. Yin Yin is the sacrificial lamb. They think ('think' being the operative word) that they can fellate Cathay as much as they want as long as they compensate by making Yin Yin more of a failure and an embarrassment each time.
>>97660040Magritta of Marienburg is a man?
>>97661615its working. cathay as the most interesting lore in TOW so far. every other faction is rather bland, besides maybe tomb kings.
>>97661390That looks kinda cool ngl senpai
>>97661626You mean because of the "elected Emperor" ?
>>97660712I suppose one reading of the fluff is that the dragons aren't as much in charge as they appear. Not to say they don't have absolute authority, the text is very clear on that point, but some details hint that none of the dragons save Yuan Bo are serious about governing their father's empire. The north is dominated by Nan-Gau, which is said to be de facto governed by its gunsmiths and arms merchants rather than Miao Ying. The west is the most disorderly region of the empire, and it's said Zhao Ming neglects the region to pursue his own alchemical studies. And Yin-Yin has been said to be completely unconcerned with her stewardship of the eastern provinces. So although the dragons have the authority to govern it could be inferred that they're not really doing so. And with that in mind you can ask "What kind of people are actually running this place?"
>>97661663I don't know why people are so afraid of the female versions of words these days. If anything it's anti feminist to imply they're lesser.
>>97661635I don't mind the majority of this timeline, I like that we're getting more of a picture of the east and south as well as the Monkey King. It also seems like nation is leaderless since the 23rd century, assuming there's no more timeline pages after the ones posted, which means the place isn't as centralized and there's more room for internal conflict in playable eras (TOW and Fantasy).The one and only thing that makes me absolutely call bullshit is the sudden wank to human astromancers. Like I would understand if they were more flexible spellcasters learning multiple winds, as was the case in the Old World before the colleges only safer under the watch of the dragons, but ultimately incapable of reaching the height of wizards who specialized in their single wind. That would be a reasonable tradeoff and show cultural diversity. But no, the dragons are just so good that the humans can cram half the winds of magic into their heads and master each one within their lifetimes.Also the name astromancer just loses part of its purpose if you're wielding all the winds and potentially you just straight up skipped Azyr. Puts Alchemist in an awkward spot too.
>>97661558Indraugnir wasn't the western equivalent to the dragon emperor, draugnir or kalgalanos, the fathers of dragons, wereespecially judging by the size comparisons we have for the latter and the celestial dragon (head the size of a house and fang the size of a longsword respectively)The one question I have is what the fuck happened to the other eastern dragons, the west had plenty of them of all colors shapes and sizes, other than their mythological father, the east just has the one dragon emperor, and the 9 mutts it had with the moon alienwhere are the eastern dragon lineages that would have coexisted alongside him or descended from him before the coming of the old ones?If they were all dead, what did it?
>>97661663>Yuan Bo - Only one trying to keep the whole thing together, but stretched thing between ruling his lands, ruling the Imperial provinces, and lowkey trying to rule the rest of the nation>Miao Ying - Focused on her wall task to the exclusion of most other things>Zhao Ming - Eccentric ruler more focused on personal endeavors, but walked well enough by the populace>Yin Yin - Just wants to fuck around and do anything except ruling, has to be dragged kicking and screaming into looking after her land, and I imagine it gets worse that daddy isn't around to watch her.>Li Dao - just constantly trying to put down fire after because he doesn't have a natural or artificial barrier to protect his borders, to the point he can't properly sit down.>Other dragons - dead or fucked off.So yeah, there should be space for mortals to actually run things.
>>97661740Yin Yin so cute
>>97661675>"What kind of people are actually running this place?"the shugengans, most likely, but they didn't start being a thing until the year 0, so we have thousands of years for cathay to establish important families that would gather enough influence to essentially govern with the dragons' blessings and yet zero fucking mentions of such things
>>97660333Here you go, anon. People keep asking to see this guy from different angles and I still haven't found the best one to take pictures from yet. Most angles look quite bad, frankly! He's my daemon prince and now that I started giving him the right magic items he's been annihilating anything he touches.
>>97661761Cathay seems to be running under Primarch logic by GW, only without the years of prior content to make us pretend it's not all about them now. You got your immortal protagonist family and their adventures, and that's what the fans are interested in.>shugengans, most likely, but they didn't start being a thing until the year 0I wonder which degenerate lizard was the first to take the plunge.
>>97661823>I wonder which degenerate lizard was the first to take the plunge.I just want to know if the female dragons lay eggs or are they stuck preggo in human form?
>>97661837I thought the Celestial Stork took care of that?
>>97661701if we were to headcanon why they're called astromancers first and foremost and what would be a more nuanced separation compared to the western wizards I'd go with this>all of them start and end their studies with the azyr wind, doing otherwise is taboo, as the celestial wind is one of the safest, it's the most important for whatever secret project the emperor works on, and starting from the celestial wind also allows greater control over the aspirants as yuan bo centralises and vets them, disposing of the bad apples>learning multiple winds means not specialising in any, the wizards of the empire minmax into one path and become so engrossed in one wind that it becomes part of them and they can manipulate it like a second nature, while cathayan magic requires more learned skills to reach similar heights in any direction, as well as the help of their compasses or other wizards, but are otherwise way more flexible casters
>>97659846>TQConverting and listbuilding (the fun kind not the WAAC kind)
>>97661823>I wonder which degenerate lizard was the first to take the plunge.what makes the most sense from a narrative point of view is that it was some kind of miraculous and unexpected thing, and a romantic challenge of social normsI don't know shit about chinese folklore, but I seem to recall they have a story about a white snake falling in love with a manwith the above I'd say the likely candidate was the little sister, the hysh dragon, the one that disappears in total war 3
>>97661823>only without the years of prior contentThe sooner the RPG is given free reign to explore cathay and add depth to it the better>inb4 they double down
>>97661823>I wonder which degenerate lizard was the first to take the plunge.I don't know for a fact that it was Zhao, but I would be surprised if it wasn't Zhao.
>>97661930zhao prefers horses, tigers and ogres, mate
>>97661928i kinda doubt the RPGs writer would double down on making it all about the dragons, it's not like everything about the Emperor is only about Sigmar
>>97661959The Empire is only about Sigmar or Ulric*
>>97660040>>97660007Missing some important dates in the timeline here:-1400: Eshin reaching Cathay.271: Slaan earthquake in Cathay.500: Eshin leaving Cathay (at least some of them)..860: Black Ark Talon of Agony sunk by a magical tidal wave.1103: Laithikir Fellheart begins her century long raids on Cathay.1247: Marco Polare reaching Cathay.1699: Ricco and Robbio establishing the silk road (from west perspective now I guess)
>>97661938You wish he stopped at those.
>>97661938Sounds extraordinarily based.
>>97661721The big dragon was gay and killed them all
>>97661959They would double down on making cathay sound flawless
>>97662030>flawlessIf anyone can add black people and queers to Cathay it's Cubicle 7.
>>97662008Would be a fun nuance, that the dragon emperor publicly weeps for the plight of the dragons but in reality he got territorial, as befiting his species, and wiped out his neighbouring dragons so his own hybrid brood of shapeshifters would rule the land.Although I'm inclined to believe that there was no such thing as "eastern dragons" before and he was just another of the ancient ones. I think as a shapeshifter he's taking a serpentine form that resembles his wife and children, mixing the traits of Dragon and Moon Presence.
>>97662053they have been rather restrained in recent books, and when they do add them, there is always a blurb saying they originate from outside the Empire or they have an parant from Araby
>>97660743Awesome colors, anon
>>97661043Clean as fuck chevrons, very well done
Forgot to update the last thread before replying, so I'll just repost here>>97657773The metal marauders are good, but to me, the whole "evil vikings" aspect of the chaos warriors feels both uninspired and overdone. Marauders are but a pale shadow of what once were the chaos thugs: truly chaotic, unruly hordes of mutants, looters and antisocial weirdos.Having standardized troops just doesn't feel chaotic enough. Then again, chaos peaked with the RoC books and has been going downhill ever since.
>>97662138>Having standardized troops just doesn't feel chaotic enough. Then again, chaos peaked with the RoC books and has been going downhill ever since.Trvth nvke.
Cathay is cool and MoP is the best expansion. Facts.https://youtu.be/N3MdOJWjHrY?si=1FlMtdLx2WzI4CUv
>>97662076>no such thing as "eastern dragons"lame tbqh
So they are not related to the so called "Jade Vampires" ?
>>97661174Raise the Red LanternTo Live
>>97662197Maybe, but it's a rather odd thing to use the name when Jade-blooded Vampires are a thing, and in TWW Cathay have items that are connected to them
>>97662197No, it seems the term jade gets thrown around a lot
>>97661938>>97661930Zhao shag any kind of females (maybe males).
>>97662197Everybody Weng Chang tonight
The Cathay posting rings so hollow now that their attendance has been reduced to a round zero after the nerfs and comps have been applied so universally. Even Skaven see more play in my areas, and they are dogshit to command, but their strong faction identity pushes through all else. Cathay is the most milquetoast faction in Warhammer Fantasy, they are on the same level as Votann.
>>97662321Come on I don't like Cathay either but comparing them to Redditann is a bit much.
>>97662321>the most milquetoast faction in Warhammer Fantasythat's bretonnia to meit's missing like 3 editions of range and fluff expansion
>>97662321The Cathay wank is cringe but they are no Votann.
>>97662341Brets need to be souped into empire for me to give them the time of day.
>>97662351That would be weird unless kislev and dogs of war were also folded into the empire
>>97662363>That would be weird unless kislevsure. Absolutely even. >dogs of warno.
>>97662367>>dogs of war>no.explain
>>97662321It just doesn't completely suck to live there, but they still have chaos cults among the nobility and universal conscription. But they're big fire emblem fans so fighting for Tiki and Dheginsea is seen a good a thing.
>>97662197It's a definitive maybe.
>>97662279>Zhao is pro immigrationick
>>97662197Could be a cover.The whole "temple of blood sorcerers doing magic of life" can easily be used by a vampire to conceal his actions or cover his tracks, especially since >>97660040 Harakhte is 100% confirmed to be on Cathay.
>>97662341Seems fine to me, if you don't want an army with 10 flavors of man on horse you get to cover in all kinds of heraldry you're in the wrong place anyway. Adding random shit just takes away from the appeal. If anything pegasi and hippogrphs etc already take away from the horse thing.
>>97662538Yeah. What could you possibly add to bretonnia to improve the faction? Maybe another unit of monstrous cavalry, but that is extremely doubtful.
>>97662538>if you don't like bretonnia, it's just not the faction for youfair, but it's still going to look like a faction missing some of its wheels to me
>>97662538Bitch you got to get these mud core delusions out of your head.
>>97661805I appreciate the photo and someone using a non meta pick. Great conversion, like a chaos version of scyla. Hope the DP killed that dragon rider!I don't have a cool onversion like that but here is one of my Orcs.
>>97662744Bretonnia isn't mud core if you ignore the 6e retcon
>>97662802> Pegasus bad, hippogriff bad, they distract from muh horsesThese woman is delusional. Give the brets some new shit.
>>97662802The 6e retcon itself was retconned in TOW and they are back to being their 5e noblebright mostly.
For your dudes do you go into details about individual units in terms of lore/fluff beyond what is written about them in official sources? Or am I just stricken with the 'tism on that?
>no Cathay novelAre they just afraid to offend chinamen?
>>97662899Nah you’re struck with a case of the SOVL
>>97662911possibly, but it's also likely that noone knows anything about them still or wants to be the one who carries their worldbuilding
>>97662911we haven't had any new TOW novels
>>97661558The Celestial Emperor is one of the oldest, if not the oldest dragons on the planet which makes him one of, if not the most powerful dragons in the world and all he did was kill 12 Greater Daemons. Meanwhile a frog killed all the Daemons on the planet at the same time.
>>97662957>>97662923>>97662911New novels are announced next week, so give it a few more days. Could be a new TOW book.
>>97661721>If they were all dead, what did it?The Old Ones did it.
>>97660448>Kroak snapped every daemon on the planet off the planet.>>97663055>Meanwhile a frog killed all the Daemons on the planet at the same timewhere is this misinformation about kroak banishing all demons from the world at once coming from?
>>97663056It might be the rumored tomb king book by Mike brooks.
>>97663082>Mike brooks.Onto the bonfire it goes
>>97663102>>97663082There's a couple Mike BL authors. Is Brooks the fag with the punk hair who pushes sodomites into all his works or is that the other one?
>>97662957The Knights of the Lance (or whatever the name was) ?
>>97663114Yeah that's the one
>>97663114Yea but his books are good. I don’t remember where I read it, but he’s been trying to get permission to write a book for necrons, but got told he would need to write for tomb kings first.
>>97663072From the core rulebook. The Slann unleased a multi-decade long spell and banished all the daemons.
>>97663125Lords of the Lance so one new book in the past three years
>>97663146You have very low standards
>>97663153Say what you will about the book but that golden yellow on the Pegasus looks really good.
>>97663157>>97663178
>>97663190Can't a man enjoy a nice shade a yella?
>>97662899I have not done PDFs as yourself but got a few characters for my Skull Smashaz Tribe.>Warboss SnagrogEx mercenary, fought at Burnheim against a large Chaos force. Returned to Badlands after being fed up being backstabbed one too many times by humies. Now Boss of the Skull Smashaz tribe. Likes to wander to fight humies and dwarfs with the odd Ogres.>Boss GorfangUtterly insane Boar boyz boss. Joined Snagrog hoping for a good fight. Barely intelligible but he and his boar boyz get stuff done. Loves charging right at the enemy blindly. Struggling to fight with armour after one too many failed charges.>GrimtoofA black orc. Tribe wiped out by Snagrog and sole survivor. Wandered into the tribe and no one recognises him. Leads a normal boyz mob and is regularly noted for his prowess. Constantly fed up with the boyz incompetence but puts up with it to blend in. Always looks "tired".
>>97663205Ignore that anon. He just hates everything that came out after he was 12.
I've started working on some goats. I plan to do one fur color per batch when working on units. What are you up to, Anons?
>>97663414>another Beastbro has hit /wfg/
>>97663414Im hoping you're ok with rpg talk otherwise ignore this I guessTrying to make the move to 4th ed of the RPG but there's something about it that feels off. Mechanically I quite like it, erspecially the focus on social status, and the books generally feel better to read.But 2nd ed just oozed sovl and 4th just doesnt have that feeling. Maybe nostalgia is blinding me.The black ark book is dope though, I can think of many adventure ideas for that one.
>>97660007 >Polar gates collapse around -5600 >Situation get back under control in -4420>1180 years of constant, uninterrupted chaos fuckfest 24/7???How the fuck did anything survive this mess?
>>97663470its warhammer nigga numbers make no sense and never have
>>97663470For Beastmen it was the best time of their lives
>>97663470Untold violence and doom running on each and every device of the old ones
>>97663445>Trying to make the move to 4th ed of the RPGWhy?The 5th edition book is coming any time now.If you like the black ark book, give Tribes and Tribulations and the Imperial Zoo books a read through.
Rampaging Banner on Chosen Knights? Seems the reroll is the most value
>>97662899I'm a part of a narrative escalation campaign, and the way we typically handle things is by hammering out the general overview and rules framework for our dudes first. This mostly consists of a few paragraphs to cover the faction's background and key characters, as well as about a page worth of thematically appropriate rules everyone agrees upon.As we play games over the course of the year, we add more information and rules about our dudes based upon the battles we have and the goals/events on the overall campaign map. By the end of the year, the little record we keep of our dudes is usually a few pages long.As an example, in the current campaign, I'm running a Slaaneshi warherd that roams Tilea. Leadership in the warherd is divided between three factions led by a duelling obsessed beastlord, a subversive female bray-shaman with a eugenics agenda, and a glutonous upstart ungor who literally ate his way into power.Thanks to the last two games I played, the bray-shaman is currently the dominant force in the warherd right now. This affects what kind of lists I can build, as well as what kind of battles I fight when I go on the offensive.
>>97661174HeroDetective dee 4 heavenly kings/phantom flame
Anyone got the meme of the slayer sprinting towards a sign that points to death?
>>97663785
>>97663794Tyvm I have been googling, searching for this image for like a year.
>>97661505>161 - Beastlord, Heavy Armour, Shield, General, Pelt of the Dark YoungSeems a bit naked. Even if you just give him one of the horns that would help.>220 - Great Bray-Shaman, Wizard Level 4, Daemonology, Dispel Scroll, Power ScrollI don't get everyone's fascination with dispel and power scroll. But I guess many people like it so, sure.>30 - 5 Chaos WarhoundsGood choice. I'd say 10 if you aren't running pigs tho.>140 - 20 Gor Herds, Shield>140 - 20 Gor Herds, Additional Hand WeaponI hold steady in that gors should never take shields, only double weapon. And should always be in skirmish. >120 - 20 Ungor Herds, Shield, Thrusting SpearGenuinely bad choice. Give them bows as well. Multiple ambush ungors is great, but having one on field is good for holding obj. >236 - 10 Centigor Herds, Cavalry Spear, Ambushers, Standard Bearer, Razor StandardThis seems to imply you plan to run them as actual cavalry. They won't do well. That's basically giving your opponent free VP for taking your banner. 8 in skirmish formation with one of the ranged options is way better on ambush. That said, centigors are under rated in general so should work out for you.Everything else is fine and fun. Cygor does suck for its cost, but it's one of those fun to play monsters so I like it.
Bros we’re like 3 weeks away from Adepticon idk if I can wait that long
>>97664067I can. Stop desiring things.
>>97664081The death of desire is the most permanent death of all. Buddhists are weak.
>>97663620No, because that banner doesn't let you re-roll your swiftstride roll. I think the Totem of Wrath is the way to go with chosen knights.
Anyone have early access to the new gunner sprues for Cathay?
>>97660007>>97660040Cathay wank aside I really like this timeline format for dropping lore. Let's you mention a lot without taking up that much space, and gives you lots of options to expand upon in the future.
How would you fix the regimental parent and detachment rule? It's been a core part of the Empire as far as I can remember, but I don't think it's ever been good. 99% of Empire players just ignore it completely. Only time I remember anyone using it for anything was using it with skirmishers in some gamey formation to redirect charges.
The helmet of cuckoldry.
Do i have to go begging for a wfrp4e foundry core module to the sharethread or can i do it here?
>>97665163yeah the foundry stuff isn't in the pastbin to my knowledge.
>>97664882I'd remove the bandaid and make it so that units with the detachment rule can counteract for one another regardless of size and without needing to be assigned as a detachmentjust keep the units close and they clamp on the enemy
>>97662899I've made fluff for almost every unit and character of my DoW army, so time for info dumping:>A minor estalian noble who due to reading too many novels about bretonnian chivalric quests, the harsh estalian sun and/or drinking too much shoddy (by tilean standards) estalian wine decided to embark on a knightly quest of his own.>After making a nuisance of himself in the countryside, he was told by the miller’s guild (who were one of the many he had bothered) that the lands of Tilea were full of adventure and damsels in need of rescue by a knight such as he. They provided him with an escort of pikemen (the so called “Agirre’s Devil’s) and pointed which way to go.>Once there, he was swiftly employed by one or another merchant and noble house, mainly to keep him from causing too much trouble with his “chivalric quest”. >After a while of working for different employers, he finally set himself in the semi-permanent employ of Pavona, or more accurately; the employ of Lucrezzia Belladonna, Pavona’s ruler.>El Don Bigote believes that he’s found a damsel worthy of his heroic feats, a fact that the lady of the city has decided to use in her benefit. So, he and his company march to further Lucrezzia’s goals. However, being a mercenary captain, he does tend to embark on other lucrative enterprises (mostly at the behest of his men).
>>97665198eh, sounds too unfluffy. Regiments and their detachments are trained together as a single fighti ng unit, and I'd prefer the rule to represent that. I'd at least increase the size limit to like 75% of the parent or something, or maybe give the parent a buff if they have a detachment guarding their flank.
>>97665246>One of the men who keep El Don Bigotes quirkier tendencies in check, as well as serving as the company’s paymaster. Two things can be said about him; that he’s quite tight fisted when it comes to the money and that he’s as vain as a peacock.>Uccello claims that the feathers on his helmet belong to a gryphon, though they come from a species of giant, flightless bird that inhabits a small island to the east of the Southlands. No one is sures why they lack predators, some claiming that it’s due to the horrid taste of their flesh, while others insist it's due to some innate magical property. Whatever it may be, the feathers do seem to offer some sort of protection to the paymaster
>>97665251>A mercenary captain firmly devoted to Myrmidia, goddess of strategy. Lucciano refuses to fight alongside races he considers evil in the eyes of his patron, which is quite unusual for a mercenary leader to be so picky on his choice of allies. However, work is never short and thus he will be see fighting on foot, inspiring the men around him by singing rhapsodies of ancient heroes.
>>97665252>A hireling sorcerer who’s quite fond of halflings (much to their dismay). No one is sure if his nickname refers to his magical prowess or to his height, but when enemy sorceries start flying across the battlefield, he is a welcome addition to the army.
>>97665254>No one is sure what brings a truthsayer so far from mist shrouded Albion or to be employed in El Don Bigote’s company. Maybe he’s seeking for allies abroad, or on a quest for some long-lost artifact that may help his people, or perhaps he’s just seeking the thrill of an adventure to gain experience. No one’s quite sure about it (or has yet understood his strange language).>Like the druids of his island, he can summon fen beasts to aid him in battle or act as his bodyguards, a useful ability for any freebooting sorcerer traveling across the world.
>>97665255>Vincenzo Cenerini led quite a dull life before his change of career. As a simple alchemist in one Pavonna's workshops, his daily routine consisted of brewing minor potions for all types; from poisons and antidotes to "healing" potions and tinctures.>During the brewing of a particularly large batch of potions (three thousand antidotes for an upcoming noble’s dinner party) that the next-door bakery exploded by some unknown accident. It was at that moment that Vincenzo felt the allure of Aqshy, the lore of fire, and the beauty of making things explode into flames.>While most flame wizards tend to be hot temptered, Cenerini is a bit too old for fiery outbursts and thus merely grumbles at everything and everyone, especially if one brings up the rumours that he assisted a bunch of bretonnian knights in their quest to find the Grail.>Whatever the truth may be, the burning power of Vincenzo is a welcomed addition in El Don Bigotes mercenary companyAnd that's just the painted characters
>>97665249>or maybe give the parent a buff if they have a detachment guarding their flank....they should get a buff for having something that gives them an advantage?
>>97665251What's the secret to spirals on lances? Just wind masking tape around it?
>>97665246I appreciate your commitment to having puns as character names. Classic Warhammer.
>>97665246>>97665251>>97665252>>97665254>>97665255>>97665259Very sovlful, thanks for sharing
>>97665262Last game a unit of chaos knights smashed through my little detachment on my flank and then and chased them right into a flank charge on my main block which they then got another round of combat with them, which they also won. Having a small little block of dogshit infantry is basically just free points for your opponent. Maybe I just suck, but I think the fact that I've never seen anyone even bother using detachments speaks for itself.
Take it with a grain of salt as always
>>97665327I guess we will know at the end of the month
>>97664882Are you a fellow Urs Graf enjoyed, anon?
>>97665327do chaos dragons have split personalities for their heads?
>>97665327Chaos is so fucking gay and lame, literally anything else would be better
>>97665420I feel like you’d shit on anything regardless because you’re a negative person. Imagine not wanting chaos warriors and knights for fantasy. Fag.
>>97665424Consoomerist mentality.
>>97665327Plastic chaos dragon would make a lot of sense and sell like hotcakes. So I doubt GW would do it. They seem to be allergic to making good decisions.
>>97665429You’re in a Warhammer fantasy thread. I apologize for calling you a fag, when in reality you’re a retard.
>>97665265Nope, just free handed it till it looked good to me>>97665275Adds to the charm really, and all contain some sort of reference>>97665288Got more to share>Agirre’s Devils>A unit of estalian pikemen that were sent as an escort for El Don Bigote. Truth is, they have also been sent away from Estalia for a reason other than providing an escort to an eccentric noble.>Lead by one Lupo Agirre, there are different rumors regarding why anyone would want them out of the country. Some claim that Lupo and his men mutinied against the king while on an expedition to Lustria, demanding higher pay and better treatment, while other whisper that it was because they tried to carve their own domain in the jungle.>Whatever the case, they have followed El Don Bigote into exile, both him and Lupo establishing quite the friendly relationship, since El Don Bigote cares for the men he leads (after all, what is a knight without a retinue?) and Agirre keeping his boss from getting into too much trouble (a task he now shares with Uccello).>So, the men fight for gold and glory (though mostly gold) in the service of Pavona, mostly.
>>97665438>Silvius’ Hounds>While the pike is the most common weapon in Tilea and Estalia, its usefulness is quite limited on rough terrain such as the Irrana, Apuccini and Abasko Mountains. Thus, lighter, and more maneuverable troops are used to flush out bandits and worse from their hiding places.>War dogs are ideal for such tasks, since their keen senses allows their handlers to pursue their quarry over long distances as well as warning them of unseen dangers such as an ambush in waiting.>Silvius’ Hounds are one such unit, led by Martio Silvius, a man who above all else relishes the hunt, be it game in the countryside, bandits in the mountains and hills or ratmen in the sewers beneath the cities. >On the battlefield Silvius’ Hounds will act as screening and harassing light troops as well as guarding the flanks of pike units, all marked by Martio’s distinct whistling as he and his men (and their dogs) chase their next quarry.
>>97665327what would chaos fans choose between a plastic chaos dragon and a plastic chaos mammoth?rules aside
>>97665441>Caprese’s Certeri>The crossbow is one of the most popular weapons for a merc for a variety of reasons; it allows a man to kill an enemy from a safe distance while getting paid for it, requires little training, can be used in tight areas, can pierce armor or hard exteriors easier than a bow, and, due to the positioning of crossbow units, gives one a head start to run if things go sideways during battle.>While the Marksmen of Miragliano and Braganza’s Besiegers get the lion’s share of contracts and spotlight (as well as loot), there are many lesser-known mercenary crossbow units for hire to those with not deep enough pockets.>Caprese’s Certeri are one such unit, having fought for different employers and even having fought in some of the Empires many border disputes (as evidenced by the fashion sported by the leader and some of the troopers), and now fight under El Don Bigotes command.
>>97665442PRÖÖÖÖHHHHthe mammoth obviously.
>>97665442Nice gif. The dragon 100%. Besides Galrauch, the closest chaos has had to a Lord on Dragon was Egrimm van Horstman, half a lifetime ago.
>>97665442The dragon is classic but the mammoth is stunning and brave so mammoth.
>>97665447>Götz’s Iron Hands>There are many theories about why soldiers from the Empire are gaining popularity as paymaster’s bodyguards. Imperials point to differences in combat doctrines; Tileans are used to fighting each other and thus do not usually fight to the death, often switching sides or surrendering to avoid excessive casualties (the loss of soldiers being something that greatly damages the future employability of a mercenary unit). The Imperials, on the other hand, must face many threats, both internal and external, in the defense of their homes and therefore prefer to fight until the danger has been defeated.>Certain Tilean scholars point to the courageous rearguard action by a regiment of mercenary Imperials during the Sack of Remas in 1487 that allowed representatives of the Republic to escape to safety as a reason for their popularity as escorts.>Some mockingly claim that their loyalty is due to their lack of knowledge of the local language, only unit captains knowing enough to carry out negotiations while others say that they don't take hints and therefore are very difficult to bribe.>Whatever the case, there’s no denying that it’s becoming more common to see former imperial soldiers working as bodyguards for various paymasters. >One unit claiming to be descendants of the regiment that lead the heroic actions during the Sack of Remas is Götz’s Iron Hands, who protect Uccello (and the pay chests key) from any harm that may come to him. Their banner displays a mailed fist holding a key, a way of saying that the pay chest keys are in good hands. Though the rest of the mercs joke that it’s a sign of Uccello’s unwilligness to part with the money.
>>97665454>Dschingis Khan’s Riders>Any army that advances without proper scouting marches blindly into a possible ambush or other disaster. That’s why many use light infantry or light cavalry to reconnoiter what lies ahead during marches, harass enemy supply lines or flanks during battle.>Dschingis Khan’s Riders are an ungol horse archer unit that fills those roles in the company. Fond of their vodka and singing traditional songs like “By the Wild Steppes of Kislev” and “The Ungol’s Parable”, they’ll fire at the enemy before feigning a retreat to pull them out of formation.
>>97665457>Bragg’s Brutes>While the plains of Tilea are relatively safe to travel, the same cannot be said of the surrounding mountains. >Many a bandit camp (be it human, greenskin or otherwise) has its base of operations in the Abasko, Irrana and Apuccini mountain passes. Some just act like vicious toll collectors, extorting merchant caravans for safe passage across "their" territory, while others just try and outright loot the merchandise.>However, there are much worse things than bandits in the hills and crags; trolls, manticores, griffins and other such beasts call the tall peaks their home, while the surrounding areas are their hunting grounds.>But there's one inhabitant of these mountains that can be found both looting trade convoys and protecting them from being looted: the ogre.>Tilean's are a practical bunch. "If you can't beat them, make them an offer" is a common phrase among them, and thus the ogres that inhabit the surrounding mountain ranges often find themselves as hired muscle to protect trade routes, act as shock troops for mercenary armies or as a tool of intimidation in the web of intrigues that are tilean politics.>Bragg's Brutes are one of these ogre bands in the service of El Don Bigote's Company. Having been attracted by the promise of pay and (more importantly) good food courtesy of the armies halfling cooks, they can be found in the battlefield smashing lesser foes aside with a combination of sheer brutality and dim intelligence that makes them ideal (if messy) assault troops.>When not in combat, they can be found helping around in the camps kitchen, since ogres and halflings have an amicable enough relationship (some scholars chalking it up to their shared love of food, while other nosier scholars have ended up as food), where Bragg and his mates laugh at Arghi Niano's terrible jokes with gusto.
>>97665463When I introduce an ogre maneater unit into my DoW army I will mention that there are different ogre "subspecies" to explain the difference in rules as well as lore, since ogre kingdoms came after the generic ogres in tabletop>Arghi Niano’s Hot Pot>“An army marches on its stomach” is a phrase that any mercenary commander worth their salt keeps in mind, and thus the employ of skillful cooks than be used not only to feed the army but to attract potential recruits as well. And there are no better cooks than halflings.>Arghi Niano and his assistants can usually be found preparing the armies chow and making bad jokes, but when the need arises, they’ll construct one of the famous halfling hot pots to launch boiling soup at the enemy (although not without some heavy persuasion). Other than that, he would also like it if that wizard Nicodemus would leave them alone and stop trying to sell them on the idea of grand adventures…Apart from Lumpin Croop, I am tempted to add a small unit of 10-12 regular halfling archers to represent Arghi Nianos kitchen staff/"procurers" of supplies
>>97665469>Tosca’s Kiss>While gunpowder weapons aren’t very common in Tilea, their use is highly valued by the many city states, merchant families and mercenary companies for their destructive power. Especially when the Bretonnian’s start getting funny ideas where the borders lay.>Tosca’s Kiss is a cannon lighter than those used by the Empire, mainly due to how much a mercenary army moves around but is no less lethal for it. Many an enemy has received a “kiss” farewell from the barrel of this weapon, and its presence in the battlefield (or negotiation table) can make more than one foe change their mind. Those who don’t will soon learn the error of their way, often far too late.The monkey is named Amelio by the way. And that's the "generic" merc units I have painted and with my own fluff.The fact that Tilea has little "hard" lore gives plenty of wiggle room to make ones own
>>97665429why are you in this thread?
>>97665477the buttons to close or change the tabs are too high, he can't reach them
>>97665469Where are you based, Spaniard anon?
>>97665327Such a fucking waste of time and resources.We need new empire infantry, new high elf spearmen and bowmen, new silver helms, new empire knights, fuck new Bret knights, new dwarf warriors, rangers, fucking legacy armies back in the game.What do they give us?Oh here are chaos warriors and knight, just ignore how you could already get AoS versions that aren't old and work absolutely fine
>>97665534Specialist games wants poeple to spend their money on TOW models, not AoS ones.
>>97665547Maybe the company shouldn't give a fuck about these sort of wasteful measures when they can't even what they sell in stock. Maybe they shouldn't be literally competing with themselves.
>>97665327If this came out last year, sure. But I already blew money on second hand warriors abd I doubt the new designs will be inspirational.
>>97665442Mammoth, if only to try and move this army away from being 'Chaos Lord on Dragon and friends'.
>>97665633Pretty sure a chaos lord would love to ride a mammoth too to show that he's the boss.
>>97665327Chaos vs Kislev would have been kino.
Old World sisters?Our response????
>>97665696This from an ICv2 list?So that only covers north america market, not europe a place where WFB was always the stronger game, and even then, only select stores meny of which don't use their software.At least AoS isn't losing to cheap D&D mini's anymorewonder if Warmachice will stay on the list
>>97665696I've never seen any of these charts showing the horus heresy eitherthey definitely just lump the stats with mainline 40k and aos
I figured some retard would try to stir shit with this.>>97665713It's been making a solid comeback from what I heard. Never been my thing, but y'know good for them.
>>97665723TOW showed up in one in 2024 when it first came out, but ICv2 doesn't really work with hard numbers, it's all just vibes based on select retailers and questionnaires they send out
>>97665729>OW showed up in one in 2024 when it first came outcan you post it?
>>97665735no but I remember being posted here at the time
>>97665327>chaos vs chaos Oh my god I don’t fucking care. I’m. 25 I grew out of liking chaos, and the marauders don’t look good enough to tell me that the mammoth will ever look good.
>>97665735>>97665096
>>97665831I’m fairly certain this person is just parroting the Beastmen+WoC army list we’ve heard rumors about, but is retarded so they said “vs” instead.
>>97665851I think the only thing new from that post is that there is a new Chaos Dragon being released in plastic.
>>97665723ToW was o the chart and then fell off after mediocre 1st year. HH simply never made it into top 10
>>97665870That’s the complete fucking opposite of what’s being said
>jade lancers, jade warriors, artillery>peasants, guns infantry, astromancers>heroes, longma, sentinel, lantern, miao assuming chaos and kislev both get a similar set of releases at the end of all their waves:>marauders, horsemen, sorcerers>warriors, knights, chosen >champions, hero on steed, chief chariot, dragon, mammoth>kossars, streltsi, bear chariot >hussars, bear cavalry, bear hero>ice witches, heroes, horse archers, ice guard, bear elemental
>>97665905Surprised cathay wasn't enough to push it into the top 10 desu. Where's that one tard with his "space marine numbers"
Are jade lancers really as bad as people say? The sculpts are too good for them to be so bad.
>>97666022They’re fucking useless and don’t have much of a role even with ambushers.
>>97666022Fight in extra rank seems cool for cavalry, but they are rather pillow-fisted. I guess you could give them spirit lanterns for terror tests and that banner for impact hits, but it doesn't still solve the problem of their average statlines.
>>97665713America is GWs largest market, for all their games.
>>97665943I wouldn’t count on chaos getting as much as cathay and presumably kislev, they're not a new army after all.
>>97666022They aren't Pegasus knights so naturally they are useless trash cav.
If the reveals are for chaos and not wood elves I dont think I can have it in me to care for what comes out of tow.
More GW rebranding into just Warhammer, this time Paint!
>>97666278>helpful for the asian market >secondary proof brandingthe only thing missing is a sneaky price hike or enshittification of the formula regardless of the claim it's the same paint
>>97666256They're going to be for chaos.
>>97666291price hike will come when GW unvails it's Pro Paint range.tbf it's an area where GW actually has competition from large well-known paint brands
>>97663414Adding some bits and bobs to my chorfs to give me some variety in what I can field (sorry stillman)
>>97666256The Chaos rumour mentions models were as the WE vs TK box doesn't have any models rumours associated with it
>>97666022My Orc boyz, basic, took a charge from them, killed a few and completely routed. They are very poor damage wise.
>>97666294>>97666329>no sign of savage orcs returning>wood elves are rumored to AT BEST get 2-3 new kits alongside with tomb kings>Hey want more space mari- I mean cad slop chaos warriors? I fucking hate James.
>>97666836It must be exhausting
>>97666328Looks great, chaos midge
>>97666836>wood elves are rumored to AT BEST get 2-3 new kits alongside with tomb kingsI guess it depends on just how big these new starter sets are going to be, probably like 2-3 normal units each, maybe a big semi-centrepiece, and then a couple of characters
>>97665943GW would be able to a large Kislev army quicker than Cathay if they made use of more duel kits. Stuff like Streltsi could be made out of the same kit as Armoured Kossars/Tzar Guard.I think to begin with a balanced Kislev army should be somthing like this.>Boyar/Druzhina (BSB)>Ice Witch/Ice Maiden>Kossars>Winged Lancers/Gryphon Legion>Ungol Horse Archers>Streltsi/Tzar Guard/Armoured Kossars>Ice Guard>War Sled (Horses)/Heavy War Sled (Bears)(Streltsi or Cannon options)>War Bear Riders (Includes mounted Ice Witch and Boyar options in kit)>Elemental Bear
>>97666858The chaos box is going to be the starter set.
>>97666328Lovely paintjob, anon. Love the detailing around the big hat. Are you going to do anything more with the base?
>more chaos sloppaI sleep
Have some pics from a local Path to Glory campaign starting to drum up some interest from people to get their armies started
>>97666886
>>97666861and gw could have also squeezed crossbows and alternative heads for the jade lancers to make them a ranged unit and/or the dragon guard or whatever it's called, they don't do that anymore though
>>97666892
>start complaining about lack of green skin rep in tow>gw starts leaking orks in 40k I see your game gw, and im willingly being lead along by it.
>>97666857>>97666867Thanks anonsI won’t be doing anymore with the base just because I keep my chorf ones as simple static grass to keep the retro theme
>>97666961You could easily use that 40k Ork head for fantasy if it's a real kit and not some AI-generated thing
>>97666872God I fucking hate "sloppa". What a disgusting combination of phonemes.
>>97663414Bit the bullet and bought the new chaos marauder kitThe redesigns have grown on me even if they're a bit too specifically Norscan, probably to separate them from the equivalent in AoS
>>97667262>contrast sloppa
>>97667288He has edge highlights and stuff. Are you pissing your pants because he possibly used contrast somewhere at all? This is a new level of essentialist retardation.
>>97665442Can I choose another MTO run instead? They're not going to make the kind of chaos models I like going forward, so I'd rather they re-run some of the old stuff instead.
>>97665637You know what, fair, but at least that's something different.
>>97667300Unfortunately it is not new. Some people really are just that retarded. Probably the same clowns who shat and pissed themselves in the 90s and early 00s if someone dared to use dry brushing as that was also considered to be a low brow "cheat" at the time in some areas.
>>976is the sword hilt supposed to be broken
>>97665487LMAO
>>97665696This surveys like 10 stores. It doesn’t actually mean anything.
Can anyone share link 4th edition player's guide books?
>>97667500I'm pretty sure that book doesn't exist
>>97667507I've meant books on guide for certain races.
>>97667564Those should be in the pastebin then
>>97667578ty
>>97665442Mammoth, seen enough whining about dragons and I think a mammoth would be more visually interesting.
>>97667262He looks cool but overall I'm not sure how I feel about these models
>>97665497The Basque Country
>>97667662I personally disparage all figures that are really 3d jigsaw puzzles that lack ease of conversion.If it's all monopose at the end of the day why not just get metal or resin casts, or 3d prints?
>>97667774You keep using this meme incorrectly.
>>97667783There's at least 2 of us using it incorrectly.
who in cathay thought it was a good idea to teach chaos ratmen to be ninjas
>>97667853They got ninja arts from ninjas in nippon, not cathay.Also I'm going with master splinter backstory: they learned by watching from the sidelines
>>97664882Detachments and regiments don't block line of sight for each other and can move/charge through each other if they can fully make it past the unit it's moving through.
>>97667853Master Splinter used to be a man until he ate the warpstone
>>97667715I love your "my dudes" DoW army, euskal anon.
>>97667886Also, I do like using them with tomb kings. I think it depends on the purpose in the army more than anything else.
>>97666836I was going to say we don't need much for Wood Elves since the 8th update, but basically most of our characters are still metal, Wardancers and Waywatchers need love, and so do the Warhawk riders.I'm not going to count Treemen or Treekin because GW could just officially offer the AOS options that should belong to us, but refuse to because of some fucker with an MBA.
>>97667889Depends on the telling. At least one had him be a rat practicing ninjitsu instead.
>>97667715Sociedad or athletic club?
>>97668074>Treemen or Treekin because GW could just officially offer the AOS options that should belong to usIf it doesn’t look like it could be from lotr i dun want it. That treelord looks more in place with Aos with its high heels than it does in any variant of fb.
>>97667880>They got ninja arts from ninjas in nipponi remember the gutter runner in skavenslayer explicitly being trained in cathay to steal from blind beggars who are also stereotypically kung fu masters
>>97667880>They got ninja arts from ninjas in nippon, not cathay.It's all over the place, back in the first editions of warhammer both cathay and nippon had samurai and ninjas
>>97667262Do you thnik there's even the smallest chance to put 20 of these dudes on a 25mm bases and fit in a unit or is it a lost cause?
>>97666022On Paper they seem normal/fine. Sadly fantasy's baseline is dictated by a handful of outrageously overpowered units so they're complete dogshit. They're basically the equivalent of Empire Knights, but then you remember that Demigryph Knights exist, and that they basically do double the damage of normal knights for the same points.
>>97668492But Cathay doesn't have access to Demigryphs. You have to judge what an army has relative to itself more so than relative to others (but both are still relevant). What other unit in the Cathay roster can you use as medium cav?
>>97668009Cheers! Though I wonder why you chosen that pic, unless its some sort of reference to Sugar>>97668235Not much of a football fan, but of the two I prefer Athletic Club due to its history and philosophy
Arachnarok
>>97668526Please disregard, anon. I'm a total nerd for Der Ring des Nibelungen and I usually hoard a lot of reference pics. So I was guessing what pic to attach and that looked good. Nothing else.For example my orcs belong to the Gibichungs tribe and their warlork is named Mime
Longma > demigryphs
>>97660007What the fuck is this?Humans the youngest race "created by the Old Ones"?Drachenfels is older than the Old Ones, has GW forgotten the Yabba Dabba Doo times of the cavemen before the Elves?The ooga booga years?
>>97668756Wasn't it implied that Old Ones didn't create the elves, dwarfs and humans out of whole cloth, just uplifted pre-existing species?If so, Drachenfells could just be a Vandel Savage esque Neanderthal who becomes smart/magic attuned via other means
>>97668756drachenfels has been only semi-canon for ages, the whole reason he got renamed in the end times
>>97668756Sapiens =/= Neanderthals .
>>97668779Nonsense! Drachenfels had a carriage he moved with his feet and a Dragon Ogre wiping his ass and saying "*sigh* it's a living!" every time he went to the can
>>97668813and he doesn't like to talk about it but he did have a gay old time
the Water Buffalo lodge is older than any Chaos cult
>>97668713One is a malformed chicken, the other is the son of Miao Ying.
Finsihed the two characters I had and came up with a tentative list. Going to get some renaissance ogres from Wargames Atlantic (or the GW maneaters if I can find them).border pr [715 pts]Warhammer: The Old World, Renegade Crowns, Combined ArmsRenegade Captain, Great weapon, Full plate armour, General, The Might of Miragliano [Stubborn, Tilean Stoicism], On foot - 70Outcast Wizard, Wizard [Level 2 Wizard], On foot, Dark Magic - 7520 Sellsword Infantry, Great weapons, Heavy armour, Heavy Infantry, Phalanx, Full Command - 18710 Sellsword Infantry, Handguns, Light armour - 70Border Princes Bombard, Bombard, Light armour - 1006 Imperial Ogres, Light armour, 4x Ogre pistols, Captain (champion) - 213
>>97669198Is captain featherhat your wizard?Army looking heckin Kino bro
>>97669198I have one criticism, you should paint the rims green.Flock and goblin green is king for a reason.
>>97669282What is this, the 80s?
>>97669291One can but dream.
>>97669282I haven't painted the rims yet. Will probably do goblin green, yes.>>97669218Thanks. No, he's the Renegade Cap. Haven't gotten the wizard yet.
>>97669198Wow. Those models look so good.
None of my models are from the old world, one or two are from aos though.
>>97669711All of my models are from Warhammer Fantasy!
>97665246>97665251>97665252>97665254>97665255>97665259SOVL OVERLOADNo my post is not fucking spam you worthless janny ape. Had to unlink the sovl because of this worthless kiked site's faggotry
Albion or savage orcs.
>>97669855Savage orcs. Way more potential for a full army, easy to find recasts/proonts and convert
god, imagine a Savage Orcs refresh that looks like these guys. That would be so cool
>>97670002The models are generally still fine. They would need new characters, and the big rouge idol, but aside from that its done.
>>97670011I was just remembering them next to the new Ironjawz stuff, where they looked a bit silly. But in TOW yeah theyr'e actually some of the best models O&C have. Nicer than the regular Boyz, and especially better than the mounted goblin kits. Those guys could use a refresh
>>97670002Wrong thread buddy
Do Greenskins have the most thematic variation of all armies? You've got normal Orks and Goblins, Trolls, Nomads, Forest Goblins, Savage Orks, Night Goblins. Not even counting stuff that hasn't had a model in decades like Hobgoblins. It's like if all of the Human factions were just rolled into one army book.Also semi related, do Savage Orks typically have Goblins with them? I figured there's not much for them to do since I feel like Savage Orks don't make much. If they do bother with Goblins, are they savage Goblins?
>>97668700>warlork is named MimeDoes he transform into a dragon too?Also; nice illustration of Glaurung getting stabbed by Thurin
>>97670405>Do Greenskins have the most thematic variation of all armies? Empire.Imperial dwarvesImperial ogresImperial norscans (Nordland)Imperial Kislevites (Ostland and Ostermark)Imperial Beastmen (Averland)HalflingsImperial elves (Eonir)Imperial imperialsMiddenland
>>97670418You forgot Cubicle 7 Imperials.
>>97670418that's not a thematic variation
>>97668713Do you like Longma?How Longama dick is lmao gottem
Will they ever do a longma unit or are they too big?
>>97668756>Humans the youngest race "created by the Old Ones"?that's been the canon all along, newfag
>>97670598I'd rather have the temple dogs.
>>97670598the great spirit ligma is being treated like an analogue to a griffin for the character, while total war treated them as analogues to pegasiif they do a unit of them it's unlikely they would be as big and as powerful as the hero's version but then again total war also made concepts for versions of them without wings, and those never saw the light of day
Do you attach those little shoulder pads to your knights? It's another surface where you can add colour but I'm not sure I like them.
>>97670636Do it you fucking pussy or I'll still think your dudes are cool even though I would have built them with the shoulder pads, what's important is you built and painted dudes
>>97670598Cathay was already broken beyond all reason without giving it the best flying melee cav in the game.
I missed you more than I'd care to admit, /wfg/.
>>97670866Were you just constantly pressing F5 to check if the site was back on anon?
>>97670599Wasn't it Ogres, who are half finished?
>>97670866>>97670889Site was down?
finished this small and cheap terrain. Time to attack the Temple of Skulls now!
>>97670866You don't realize how much you rely on something until it's gone
>>97668776Yeah its implied they took existing stock and altered it
>>97671592>>97671592>>97671592>>97671592New
>>97659846Looking at all the amazing art and content. I'd love if I had the time and money to dedicate to this hobby. Building and painting just for the sake of it, and having other people near me to share with. Wish me luck.
