BIG APPLE, 3 AM EditionPrevious Thread: >>97642348 >Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What is your favorite token art? If you dislike this question please feel free to suck my cock.
>>97653132>If you dislike this question please feel free to suck my cock.When and where? Your TQ is bad.
>TQ
>>97653165Here. Now.*unzips dick*
I don't get this card. What is it meant to do? It feels like each ability has little to do with the previous.
>>97653182The yelling man in the background is Teferi?
>>97653182I wish these foreign promo tokens were included in regular packs.
>>97653231Parties have>food>broken stuff due to horsing around>drunk people that do something crazy stupid
>>97653252That doesn't equate to a card that makes sense
>>97653256Not himit's a class card. Same as like a cleric or druid it's for party dudes so it has things that reflect the class of party dudes
>>97653132Soldiers have really good tokens throughout the games history. And the mh2 i believe tokens were incredibly nice imo. Nah I just looked it up the Dominaria remastered, real good ones there as well. Also Teresa Nielsen makes tokens and I have a few of those I think they're incredible
>>97653231Most of the Michelangelo cards like food tokens, permanents leaving, and are aggro
>>97653256Party dude brings 'za for everyone.Party dude benefits when his bros eat his 'zaParty dude benefits more because of how much people love him for bringing the 'za!Sometimes you gotta use your head anon
How do I actually play mono blue control?If I load up on counterspells and removal then I run out of cards in hand.Too much card draw and I have no mana to leave up.What do I counter? I'm used to playing blue tempo and keeping counters up for things that slow my gameplan down but everyone else just sets up to a point where they're playing multiple game-enders a turn.
>>97653278None of them force artifact saccing or destroy artifactsMost of the Mikeys are go wide, not go tall
>>97653231>each player creates an artifact they can sac>your opponents saccing artifacts causes you to draw cards>drawing cards gives you more power and toughness when you attack your opponentsit is a mystery
>>97653231Notice 2nd level doesn't say may, so it's a good way to get yourself decked whenever someone blows few too many treasure tokens.
>>97653132>I MAKE NEW RAT
Which should I snag for meld Urza?
>>97653304>How do I actually play mono blue control?By knowing what your opponents are trying to do so you know what you can allow through and what you can deny them.>If I load up on counterspells and removal then I run out of cards in hand.Correct.>Too much card draw and I have no mana to leave up.This is why many of the free counterspells cost 50 bucks. On a budget your options for these are Flare of Denial, Foil, and Thwart.>What do I counter? I'm used to playing blue tempo and keeping counters up for things that slow my gameplan down but everyone else just sets up to a point where they're playing multiple game-enders a turn.You counter the right things and not the wrong things, or else you lose. You can and maybe ought to have a tempo piece in the command zone (Talrand is cheap) so you can actually attempt to close out a game.
>>97653510Robots obviously bingus dingus
>>97653525>You counter the right things and not the wrong things, or else you lose.This.
>>97653510I use urza's saga.
>This would probably be a decent card for repeated ramp>Wiff>Wiff>WiffWell, fuck me I guess.
>>97653510older lands are bedda>pic related>in foil, it's the best forest ever printedProve me wrong.
> two retarded people in pod decides to cancel commander night 8 minutes after it is meant to start and after I drove 13 miles and was already there>not even a sudden emergency. They just didn't bother telling anyone until lateI am a bit upset
>>97653754I prefer older lands but I also like shiny cardboard... Urzas Saga didn't have foils, and Urzas Legacy didn't have basics. And I want to keep things themed.
Can you Rule 0 stuff like this if you own the actual card?
>>97653870Didn't the RC say they're legal if it's your card?
>>97653873Technically Sheldor said he'd be ok with it. I don't think it was ever an official decree
>>97653870That's just uber partner. Cant have that. Shit's insanely busted.
>Have to use shitty dragon shields now that katanas are like 23 dollars for 100 sleevessucks.
Harry Potter set when
>>97653933Soon. Two more weeks. Just believe.
So if we go by the "what IPs has Hasbro made a monopoly version" rule. whats the possible lineup for 2027?
>>97653946Monopoly set coming in August
>>97653949anon...that was last year
>>97653132>TQEasy.
>>97653946Everything? Everyone has a monopoly game, anon. Even ACDC has a monopoly game!
>>97653999get ready for that ACDC secret layer alert!
Say I have Isshin or some other "doubles the triggered ability" on the board and Shredder attacks. Would an opponent attacked by two Shredder tokens lose all life, or just half their life then half of the remainder?
>>97654025Here's what will happen:>the trigger doubles, each player other than the original nontoken is being attacked by two Shredders>If both Shredder tokens connect, they will lose half of their life, then half of their life again.>For example: If someone got tagged by two Shredders is at 40. That person gets hit for 5 (35hp), then half of their life is shaved (rounded up, is 18 life loss. His total is currently at 17), then the 2nd Shredder connects, dealing 5 (life total is at 12) then halving that, putting it at 6.And this is assuming only two Shredders manage to get through. It gets nutty/deadly if you have more damage incoming
>>97653132Godsire is the coolest card in Alara block.
>>97654057And with a simple token death trigger like bastion of remembrance or a second combat phase, it'd end the game neatly.Thank you.
those aetherdrift piss foils actually look pretty good in person, or at least mendicant core does
>>97653730Anon... the land you pull doesnt have to be from the milled cards. So if at any point they used say a fetchland or even a budget one like evolving wilds, you can take that.
>>97653132>TQThere's exactly one card that produces it, but I got a ton of them to use as general 3/1 elemental tokens anyway since nobody really cares.
Would this be an alright card to add to Jodah? I already have Esika, God of the Trees in the deck btw.
>>97654096Hell yeah, brother!
>>97654057All the combat damage is dealt at the same time then both triggers go on the stack. So it'd be 40 to 30 to 15 to 7.
>>97654057hang on, adjusting this guy's answer>Isshin doubles the attack trigger, each player other than the original nontoken is being attacked by two Shredders>If both Shredder tokens connect, they will lose half of their life, then half of their life again.>For example: If someone got tagged by two Shredders is at 40. That person gets hit for 5 twice (30hp) because damage is simultaneous, placing both triggers on the stack. one trigger resolves, half of their life is shaved (15 life loss. His total is currently at 15), then the 2nd trigger resolves (8 life is lost, life total is at 7)
>>97654096Absolutely true. Favorite token also. Alara also has best plains art.
Thinks its worth it to make an Auntie Ool deck that is more focused on slinging damage spells and making a trillion bugs, or would it probably require too much mana and expensive tutors to be reliable?
>6 mana>in blue>just draws cards>is a GCWHY
>>97654276It doesn't even draw cards on its own.
>>97654276Would be fine if it didn't say "you may"Accidental deckout suicides would make it funny enough to tolerate
>>97654276Card advantage is one of the most powerful things in any card game, yugioh understands this. That's why every fucking yugioh card finds other cards, but simply drawing cards is extremely limited.Pointing to the mana value of any fucking card as if it is a limit is a total joke and you know it. There's a hundred or more ways to cheat cards out, especially creatures.And then when it's on the board, it's not about how many cards it draws you, it's about how many cards it draws you compared to your opponents, which is double. For each opponent. It's nuts.
>>97654146Theros has such good art.
>>97654240Auntie Ool is already squeezed for mana as is since so many of the -1/-1 counter cards are expensive as shit. I wouldn't put more burden on the weakest link in the deck unless you're also putting in a lot more ramp.
>>97654276soon btw
Repost>>97653547 The fuck do you mean by “hits green”It has green or it doesn’t have green?If it has green then:>Rampant Growth>Cultivate>Kodama’s Reach>Explore>Farseek>Three Visits>Nature’s LoreCongrats you now know how to ramp.If it doesn’t have green then we need to know what colors you DO have
>>97654382>golem >blackWhat did WotC mean by this?
>>97654276I dunno Anon, I don't know why getting 6+ cards per round while your opponents get 1+ each would change the game.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97653132>TQWould you like a jelly baby?
>>97654419Still pisses me off that Sun Titan wasn't included in that SL. An eternally unfinished art cycle probably because the bean counters at WotC thought it would be too good of a value buy to include Sun..
>>97654440>WotC thought it would be too good of a value buy to include Sun..Sun titan is like a 40 cent card and has been for like a decade or more.
>>97654443sun is still better than grave and frost and it's just unfortunate that white wasn't included in the original cyclebut hey there's always a return to kaldheim sl
I do not use "Universes Beyond" cards, I do not play cards with more than seven lines of rules text, I do not use cards with feisty black women in the art, I do not add "Sol Ring" or "Arcane Signet" to my decks, I do not play cards that mention EDH-specific mechanics or refer to rules text outside the card, I do not use cards with non-vanilla borders, I simply play Elder Dragon Highlander. And if I do not win, I accept it.
>>97653510Saga lands are nice but hard to get mint or new.
>>97653231I understand how each of Party Dude 's abilities flow into each other mechanically, but flavorfully the use of Classes in TMNT is jarring compared to the literal classes of AFR and the cozy occupations of BLB.
>>97654506my main gripe is that they didn't just name leo's card as "Leads" when that's literally the lyrics in the song
Did EDH really saved mtg?
>>97654521those mental gymnastics? all me
>>97654521someone's seething they lost to a goofy little guy.
>>97654527The skull behind him is funny because he is dead now
>>97654477This didn't happen btw
>>97654533my sides
>>97654534But enough about the holocaust
Mono black slaps.
>>97654551Mono color doesn't get enough love.except blue, fuck blue.
>>97654551I love Shadowborn Apostles!
>>97654555It really doesn't. I feel like each mono color has their own flavor.>whiteStall for the long game, and go wide.>blueStall for the long game, but with tempo cards and card advantage.>blackFuck up the board state for everyone else and squeak out a win somehow.>redBurn out super quick or lose, probably lose >25% of the time>greenRamp and draw like crazy into a game winning threat, if stopped sometimes can crawl back and still winGreen is definitely the strongest color, then maybe black/white, then blue and red. My opinion. Maybe blue is stronger but I feel like it isn't in a four player pod.
mono black is the best
>>97654576For monocolor, I'd say it's Green > Blue > Black = White > RedWhat holds mono blue back generally isn't the color itself but how tentative people are in putting two-card combos in their decks. If you get over that, blue is just fine and has all the tools it needs to win, like green. Black, white, and red have their own problems limiting them, although white has gotten much better in the past 5 years or so. I would say white doesn't really have any major weaknesses anymore, now that it has so many different methods of card advantage and can answer every type of permanent, but I think black has bigger, stronger plays to make even though it's more limited. Red's still just kind of sucks unless you're going for a very niche, fast strategy that doesn't really need to "play" the game.
>>97654599I played this card in my mono black deck in a pod that said it was a tier 3 table, and everyone got massively asshurt about it because they said it counted as mass land destruction. Do you guys think they're right?
>>97654610Yes.
>>97654610Your pod is full of a bunch of pussies.
>>97654615>>97654614Fair enough, I just haven't played in a very long time and really only skimmed over the bracket rules that have come out. I didn't remember that I had this in my deck but boy, I don't think it warranted the insanely intense response it got.
>>97654619This is why you don't play with bracket bitches
>>97654620I'm just happy old man Chainer still has teeth despite all the power creep in the game since I last played.
>>97654610They were right. Whether or not they could deal with it or not or should it be is a different issue entirely, but its is MLD.
>>97654619It's the worst one to be locked under since it overwrites everything, so definitely not something most poeple want to play against, especially on lower powerlevels
>>97654610It is MLD because Gavin is a massive faggot and doesn't differentiate between destruction or denial, or basic and non-basic. It's the most glaring bullshit about the brackets imo. Want to throw down the one ring and oracle in bracket 3? Go ahead dude! God help you if you throw out a Blood Moon though and turn everyone's greedy non-basic land base into mountains, can't punish the 3+ color slop piles no sirree
>>97654649>>97654629Even though it was a tier 3 pod, it definitely wasn't a lower power table, these guys were going off from turn 3 or 4. Honestly, I was dead last until I played that, and then I got basically two uninterrupted turns and was able to win on turn 7 or 8. I get it though.>>97654658Yeah, I can see how people are building their decks now so they can still call it a tier 3, but it really doesn't feel that different then how people would optimize their decks before the bracket system. They're still squeezing every piece of advantage they have out of the game, like they always do.
>>97653182dang that's hideous
>>97653132>TQ
>>97654727I hate this
>>97654649>It's the worst one to be locked under since it overwrites everythingmana rock and roll
>>97654620>This is why you don't play with bracket bitchesi agree, there's just decks that win and decks that don't
>>97654787>i agree, there's just decks that win and decks that don'tThis but unironically
Simic counters is pretty fun when you don't have a bitch in your ear telling you it's cancer
>>97654795if its not ironic its autistic.
>>97654833Anybody who complains about +1/+1 counter tribal is genuinely bad at the game
I can't stop building Tribal decks.
>>97655088ummmm it's typal chud
You got yours, right?
>>97654610>Do you guys think they're right?I think this one is a bit of a special case since not even basics get by this one. Everyone else is just fucked mana wise. Unless they're playing mana rocks or colorless or mono black.
>>97655225This is actually really nice as just a piece of GY, should probably buy one since I can't put Lion Sash in every deck.
>>97655225So why's this going up? It's not like mutagen tokens are free. You have to pay mana info them and they're at sorcery speed.
>>97655244The Mutagen token could have no text and this would still be good.Artifacts just care about artifacts existing to cheat mana.
I wish it was easier to find synergy for the bounce effect on this thing other than just getting a second ETB by paying full price for the thing you just cast.Kind of wish there was a card like Sibsig ceramony where your stuff is cheaper but it dies end of turn.
>>97655262it's called warp
>>97655244I have like 4 decks that don't even care about the first part of the ability.>tap, exile a card from a graveyard: make an artifactFor 2 mana is more than enough
>>97654610About a month ago I was playing and somebody dropped this. I was the only one who got hosed by it as I was the only one without colored rocks and/or black in my deck. So I just scooped in response after confirming with the other players that nobody was going to even try and remove it.Then the guy who played it got mad at me for "making him waste 4 mana"
>>97655333I don't know what he expected. Why wouldn't you scoop there and why would you be upset about someone scooping there.
>>97655333That's literally the definition of a spite play but go on and pretend like you don't understand what you did
>>97655418>Opponent casts a spell that fully locks you out of the game>Wtf why did he scoop instead of sitting there for the next 20 minutes doing nothingAnon, he basically paid 3 mana to kill someone. That's a good rate.
>>97654610Yes and noYes because it is indeed not allowed under the bracket systemNo because that specific part of the bracket rules is retarded. Bracket 3 is not low power and MLD is not intrinsically cedh
>>97655425To truly win, others must lose in both body and spirit.
>>97655262myriad?
any good secret tech for this guy? he always seemed cool to play
>>97655755I don't know, landfall is kind of a niche strategy and hard to make work in this format.
>>97655755Check out this bad boy.
>>976553332B "kill a player" is pretty fucking good, i don't know what he's mad about
>>97655418>>97655483>why dont people play games with me anymoreIf you are going to play a multiplayer casual game the enjoyment of those you play against should be more important than winning in the most efficient game possible. If you disagree you should be playing standard or modern
>want to play izzet>90% of the legends are about instant and sorceries >The rest is artifact slopSad af
>>97655895>want to play izzetIt seems like you do not, because you don't like what the color pair does.
>>97655225This card is genuinely ass wtf
>>97655895To my knowledge you have two choices between Jhiora and Aegar. I really don't think you want to play Izzet anon.
>>97655895what are you looking for if not your typical izzet deck?try melek or the emperor
>>97655818>If you are going to play a multiplayer casual game the enjoyment of those you play against should be more important than winning in the most efficient game possible. Said by no smash/fornite/any other FFA player everSheldon truly cultivated an alien species
>>97655895Play Edgin. It's not a competitive deck but having the ability to foretell anything will lead to some bonkers plays. Stuff the deck with all the cast from exile buffs you can put in Izzet and you can do some whacky shit.
>>97655895So what im reading is that you actually dont want to play izzet anon
>>97656066>fighting game>shooterNot sure what you think youre proving here. Casual smash people go to fun maps and put on the items they want together on so that kinda seems like a point against you
>>97655895Just play dragons you're still in red it'll work
>>97656105>Casual smash people go to fun maps and put on the items they want togetherAnd yet smash people dont demand you read their mind on what items are verboten or not, it's either all items are legal or items are turned offOnly edh people quibble with minutia on what strats are acceptable and it's good that wotc finally stepped in when sheldon should've done that ages ago
>>97656066None of those games are similar to MTG, every game here you at least get to PLA Y the game. In MTG another player can and will make it so you physically can't play or meaningfully interact with the game. The only situation any of these games has with MTG is if you played smash with someone 10x better than you and in that case you may accidentally hit him at least and that person would still probably choose just not to play anymore just like in the MTG situation.The only people who dont "get" this are the exact people doing it to others in the first place. No one wants to see your 20 minute turns, no one cares about your netdecked combos, no one cares that you use the game as a way to feel superior by shitting on others. People dont want to play that shit.
>>97656132>every game here you at least get to PLA Y the game.I get the sentiment but tell me why anyone should follow the thoughts of a some random anon like you instead of the creator of the game
>>97655895howler is discard aggromary and anne are discard and piratesvargus is pirate tribal aggrofarideh is diceroll lotteryyusri is coinflip lotteryfirkragg is goadlozhan cares about dragonssarkhan cares about dragonszara is doing some wierd theft shit
>>97655895https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28-oracle%3Ainstant+-oracle%3Asorcery+-oracle%3Aartifact%29+color%3DUR+commander%3AUR+%28game%3Apaper%29+is%3Acommander+prefer%3AbestMy brother in christ you have 47 options.
>>97656128>put on the items they want together>ermmm its either all or noneNo? Youve never done a poke ball only match with your friends? You sound like a bitter autist with no one in his life anon.
>>97656136Because most people actually engage with those they are playing too and arent looking to handwave all conversation with.>creatorNot the creator.>well Sheldon said...You retarded giga autist
>>97655895I was in a similar boat at one point, have you considered this dickhead and dying first in every pod?
>>97656147You can do whatever you want with your friends, the discussion is about public lobbies/playing with randoms and it's undeniable that casual edh players act in a unique way regarding that
>>97655965>the only way to make her playable is doctor who cards
>>97656149>every person you talk to will totally negotiate and make compromises!Only a naive person says this, one that clearly doesnt play beyond their basementRandoms arent obligated to entertain anything you say but they are willing to follow word of god, just like how they follow the rules of the game (such as no unlimited mulls)
>>97655225How this is flavorful on any way?Does the mutagen takes power from the dead or what?
>>97656176She's plenty playable, she's just so strong you become archenemy #1 the second people see your commander. No deck is going to be consistent 3v1 unless your power is totally mismatched.
>>97656184I guess the flavor is you're digging through the trash to find it.
>>97656165I have been to many smash tournies where people play casual matches for fun with a "random" assortment of items on. I think youre just autistic and have trouble engaging with people so you resort to the perceived ruling authority on it (kinda like you've been doing here)
>>97656233>I have been to many smash tourniesYour first few words betray your entire argumentYeah, if i was in a 60 card tournament for keeps i'll be more accepting of a 100 card casual game made by sone judges as a palate cleanser sure why not lolBut if i just met you at an lgs with no event going on one fine day and you suddenly tell me "fuck simic" or "fuck zombies with their warren soultrader combo" well who the fuck do you think you are lmao
>>97656176This is bait
>>97656176Amazing bait
>>97656262No it doesnt at all, it defeats YOUR argument lmao
>>97653132
>>97656184The mutagen is buried in a dump and leaks into the ground. So you turn shit in your graveyard into mutagenic compound.
>>97655948>modern mtg can spread +1/+1 counters like a machine gun>making a whole as artifact for every SINGLE +1/+1 counter on a creature for 2 MANA while still being able to make an artifact without caring at all about counters every turn, while being able to go in any deck...is BAD!!!I genuinely dont think you actually play the game
>>97656384Yeah its pretty bad I will be vindicated don't worry
>>97654311Yugioh has kind of turned into like 3 meta decks with infinite recursion vs everything else that can’t compete.
>>97656406I miss being able to top locals with PUNK Eldlich.
>>97656359At first I thought this was a Turkey flashing it's cheeks at me
>>97656344>no uRiveting argument anon
>>97656473Your post genuinely does not contain an argument anon. Everything you said has been rebutted, and then you just went "actually you just argued for me" you absolute buffoon lmao
>>97656384Which commanders care a lot about raw amount of artifact tokens and +1+1 counters at the same time? I can really only think of Morska, and she cares more about clues. I have an assload of +1+1 counters decks and none of them have a synergy use for mutagens and would rather be playing The Ozolith, Felisa, Luminous Broodmoth, or Skullspore Nexus.
>>97656506>everything has been rebuttedProof next thread retard? LolIt truly is the epitome of casual retards that they cannot wrap their head around people being more receptive to arbitrary special rules if there is a more serious event going on (the fact that you missed this being how edh got off the ground in the first place is very telling) and you still havent told me why i should negotiate with a complete retard like you on anything should we meet one fine day>inb4 im not gonna play with youYou were never willing to play with anybody that doesnt follow your headcannon to begin with, rule zerofags clutching their pearls that brackets are somehow for them is peak hilarity
>>97655244Artifact sloppa.
>>97655895>want to play Selesnya>90% of the legends are about +1/+1 Counters >the rest are enchantress slop
>>97656598im not gonna lie this but actually. Selesnya is easily the worst 2 color pair when it comes to strategy variety. It is literally just those two things and very rarely in an interesting way
>>97656653Selesnya is boring because wotc hates enchantress and hatebears as a strat
New mat finally arrived
>>97656673pretty neat
>>97656598Play cats or Tokens then
>>97656565I play with lots of people who dont play the exact way I want anon. Conversation and compromise is still available when non-autists engage
>>9765665373, but mostly just life gain, tokens (which devovle into +1/+1 counters), or hatebearshttps://scryfall.com/search?q=%28-fo%3A%22%2B1%2F%2B1+counter%22+-oracle%3Aenchantment%29+color%3Dgw+commander%3Agw+%28game%3Apaper%29+is%3Acommander+prefer%3Abest&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
>>97656713The casual that demands you let them do the thing is no different than the scrub who tells you not to do throws, you playing with rational people has nothing do with the fact that every other community disregards their whiny people but edh players are somehow supposed to entertain themThis is why segregation of casuals from sweats is best and that is best done via an edict from word of god, there can be no compromise between someone who wants to win vs someone who demands you let them do the thing
Is Mondrak just a win-more card?
>>97656754>whiny cause they dont wanna play MY wayOkay autist lmao
I haven't played since the bracket system became a thing. I've been feeling the pull of EDH again, and figured I'd start coverting my old decks to bracket 3 (since that seems to be the most played bracket) and cut down to 3 game changers. My question is, am I going to go through the trouble of turning them into bracket 3 cards only to have people claim that they're too powerful for bracket 3 despite meeting all the restrictions?
>>97656919I'm fine with any deck you bring btw but yeah sure i'm the whiny one, whatever makes you sleep at night lol
>Okay, so if you don't discard a card when you cast a spell, you will lose 5 life.>Okay. I discard a card, but my hand is empty after casting, but me saying I will discard still counts as discarding.
>>97656877You need to grow somehow in EDH. Putting down the 10th Mondrak might be win-more, but exponential growth is one of the easiest ways to pull ahead against three others.
>>97656877I prefer trigger doublers since most token creator engines are based on triggers these days.Pic related is what I'm running in my token deck right now.
>>97656877Mondrak has a few advantages over other doublers. A 4/4 indestructable body, a large sac outlet that is inexpensive (provided you have the life to burn) and then the token doubling on top. He's not as cheap as others, but he's really a full package deal.In decks that have other good doublers he may not be necessary, but he's flexible.
>>97656944Yes. Unfortunately the absolute worst thing the bracket descriptions did was the "Players can expect to play X turns" bullshit. It's so vague and poorly defined that if you draw a good hand or people refuse to interact with your deck YOU will get called a cheater.
>lets play bracket 2>dont have a super weak deck so I play my old osgir precon>the elemental deck drops the angry jellybean on turn 4>nobody has removal>proceeds to kill the table in 3 turns with dozens of elemental tokenswow.
>>97657075It's not that it's vague, gavin is just tripping over himself so that the guy with a rube goldberg 3 card infinite on turn 3 isnt left out in the coldIf it helps you feel better LGSs have more or less interpreted that as "no infinites/instant wins/locks before turn X"
>>97656944>My question is, am I going to go through the trouble of turning them into bracket 3 cards only to have people claim that they're too powerful for bracket 3 despite meeting all the restrictions?There are growing pains because casuals still cant accept that brackets are in practice formats and there WILL be best decks no matter what restrictions anyone could possibly think ofAll i can really tell you is carry on as those people that will give you a hard time need to be taught to never leave their basement/containment
>>97657075>Unfortunately the absolute worst thing the bracket descriptions did was the "Players can expect to play X turns" bullshit.The most shocking thing about that was how fucking fast these people expect games to end. In the updated beta they said bracket 2 games shouldn't end before turn 6. S I X. Fucking insane. I playtest all my decks to turn 8, and even then that's partly only because after that turn most of my decks have an arbitrarily high number of triggers and choices and it isn't meaningful to play them out anymore.It reminds me very heavily of hearing about meta in hero shooters from professional streamers. They're always bitching about "stale meta" and dropping the game because they're burned out on it. Like no fucking shit you think the meta is stale, you play 8 hours a fucking day. Most people aren't experiencing the game the way you are, but they ARE getting influenced to think more negatively about the game because you play professionally and they parrot your opinions.In Magic I think the same thing also happens with the "just shuffle up and play again!" mentality. Most people don't have that luxury because they only have one time slot a week available to play. I personally get 3 games in on a friday night if they're relatively snappy. If my games are shit I will remember that all week, I don't get to just go again as many times as I want
>>97657138>In the updated beta they said bracket 2 games shouldn't end before turn 6. S I X.That's B3 sir
>>97657087brackets are a lie, you either play combo slop commander or shitdecks
>>97657087Well, at least it was over with quickly.
>>97657165Rule zero is a lie too you know
>>97657138>muh pro playersYes welcome to 60 card which has been influenced by them since 1994>but edh is my sacred format!I dunno what to tell you other than things have changed, sheldon's dead, the RC is gone, and wotc owns the format now
No game should end before turn 10 preferably turn 20
>>97651925How does Six tend to play in practice? I think Retrace is a really cool mechanic to be able to blanket apply to cards, but I imagine it makes the tree himself a removal magnet.
>>97657229based azorius winconless enjoyer
>>97654610I have a rakdos group slug deck with multiple MLD options, I always just play dumb when people ask about brackets and tell them I haven't updated my decks or bought cards since they were announced, so I don't know. For some reason, I just absolutely love, LOVE smashing these bad boys down because there's always 1-2 greedy green ramp players at the table who get insanely salty about getting slapped in the face after overcomitting to their normally unchecked strategy.
>this deck is too interactive for bracket 2>your deck has a strategy, it can't be bracket 2>your deck is trying to win, it can't be bracket 2>your deck is tribal, it can't be bracket 2 >your deck is (insert non-game changer commander) it can't be bracket 2WHAT THE FUCK IS BRACKET 2?
>>97657320Gay nerds
>>97657320you make a bracket 3 deck and ten remove large part of the mana interaction and synergy cards to be worse versions of those cards
>>97657313>Game starts>Green lands deck has an advantage because it can ramp out more lands before everyone>Red player destroys all lands effectively resetting the game>Oh I wonder who benefits the most and can recover in this situation>Certainly wont be the player whose entire deck is based around fucking ramping and LANDS
https://youtu.be/hyik3A3PEQU?si=QCc4IGMxJXuZgF95> makes a collage of things contributing to slopification of mtg> puts a big printout of MaRo on thereUmmm based??
>>97657320>WHAT THE FUCK IS BRACKET 2?a bracket that doesnt include those b1 fags
>>97657313what a cute deck you have there anon
>>97657359Do you think he and Snail spitroast elk
>>97657320inb4 someone tells you you didn't negotiate with them hard enough so it's actually your fault
>>97657352Bro, your mana rocks?
>>97657359As a UB CHAD this autistic furry getting mindbroken over UB and producing garbage video after garbage video is very funny
>>97657383They died to jokulhaups duh
>>97657385Hi MaRo, hows it going?
>>97657404>:^)
>>97657411Everytime you complain they print 10 more Superhero commanders :)
>>97657443I do wonder if there will be any worthwhile creatures in the Marvel set.
>>97657451https://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-set/marvel-super-heroes/They already have some shit spoiled.This one is probably the most interesting so far
>>97657012>Windcrag SiegeDamn, I didn't realize that existed. I need that for my Aurelia deck.
>>97657487Way too linear>mill good cards>exile >cast best cards free
>>97657487Marvel will have a pips matter theme which coincides with tmnt and strixhaven hybrid mana symbols
>>97657567Black is the most uncreative color
>>97657320My bracket 2 decks are all optimized decks but are around objectively bad mechanics (ie; vehicles, dice rolling)
>>97657567and? some of you fuckers do this thing>oh its linear>oh it can only be built one way>every x deck is the sameWhat does that matter if it turns out to be fun to play?
>>97657617It's not fun. It's one of those all-in decks that your opponents are obligated to stop so you don't freecast 18 mana worth of permanents on turn 4.
Just realized almost all my decks have something people hate>theft deck>storm deck that has very long turns>gy deck that spams edicts>kaalia with MLD>lifegain deck with infinites>that one token deck that has nothing taboo but is unironically stronger than everything above>draw go control with tons of counterspells>and lastly a turbo cEDH deck thats also parasitic as fuck
>>97656944How can we tell? We dont know what the players in your locale are like? In my experience? No. If you ask the people here who supposedly hate everyone they play with but keep on playing with them (larpers), then yes.
>>97657229You do not play the game
>>97657313Larp posts like these are hilarious because green players are the only ones who can reasonably recover from MLD so all it does in practice is solidify their lead.
>>97657685what's your lifegain deck, anon?
>>97657313Cool anyway I activate Aftermath Analyst.
>>97657807Oloro ajani pridemate tribal with typical sanguine bond/vito/etc infinites as a top end
>ask if i can join a table of 3 people>"UH ACTUALLY WE'RE WAITING ON A FRIEND">they play as a pod of 3 for the next 3 hours until they leaveO-ok then guys cya next week...
>>97657870At my LGS you have to pay to play, I paid and didn't get a game, had to go home because even if a table did open up I wouldn't have enough time to play a full game before I'd have to go home
>>97657895>pay to playIs the space in your LGS that good to justify a thinly veiled rental fee?
>>97657895at least my lgs's entry fee for commander is either you buy a $10 store credit chip or get in free with any purchase, paying for entry and not being able to play would suck
>>97657895Every LGS near me, you have an initial game you buy in where the winner gets store credit or a pack. But then after that game you're basically allowed to stay the rest of the night and play.Confuses me that Redditors have a melty about the idea of people playing casual decks for prizes. That's literally how it is in every single store I've ever attended, and no one comes with some CEDH shit to pubstomp.
>>97657734>play game with people you actually like where the main point of the game is talking and hanging out >no one runs oppressive shit compared to the rest of the group>suddenly you stop giving a shit if the games take forever
Anybody got secret tech for Bello? I stuffed mine full of Fogs but it just seems to lack something.
>>97657962>where the main point of the game is talking and hanging outFaggiest shit I've ever read roflI'm here to PLAY THE GAME bitch, if the point was to talk and hang out we'd talk and hang out.
>>97657962So i was correct you dont play the game. You have a little girls club but none of you are mature enough to cut the pretense and just hang out chatting
haven't played my blood avatar deck in a few years gonna add these updates. Anything absurd I don't know about I should put in?
>>97657962This is the kind of player you're supposed to take seriously btw
I absolutely love games that dragon on for 2 hours, but only if people are playing properly.
>>97657895I'm by LGSs thathave no entry feehave entry with the purchase of any standard packhave entry with the purchase of any food from the cafe >5$isn't in the wotc program for mtg at all so we all feel a little bad using the space for mtg at the same time as their pokemon tournament so we buy some snacks
>>97658049>people actually playing Pokémon That exists? Ive only ever seen """investors"""
>>97657967>>97657999>>97658006>I have no friends please wont someone applaud me for how cool I am for my infinite combo!Imagine playing a multiplayer game and not enjoying the social interaction of it. You want to win, you care about that more than anything then play a 1v1 format. Imagine caring mostly about winning and playing muh strong deck in a format where you are near guaranteed to win less than 50% of the timeSeems like cuck behavior I wont lie.
>>97658123If commander were exclusively some game you played while smoking a bowl and playing with the 3 same guys ad infinitum no one would talk about it. There wouldn't be a general. What are you even doing here?
>>97657520The Dragonstorm siege cycle is criminally overlooked in general.
>>97657520I have it in Isshin tokens as another Isshin
>>97657385Final Fantasy broke his brain. He's wholly incapable of understanding how someone else might think the set was a success at everything it set out to do. His flavor argument was pure sour grapes. Using Galuf's Final Act as an example of how UB doesn't make sense to someone who isn't fully invested in the game. Like gee, I wonder what's being conveyed here. >target gets a minor pump >if it dies it transfers its power to another creature>art is an old guy clashing with a villain>flavor text is about someone sacrificing himself to take out a guy named EXDEATH>FINAL ACTHe could have picked literally anything else and would have had a better argument than the card that conveys a character's story in a readable way and has extra flavor for people who know why his power is transferred to another creature.
>>97658002Vincent is pretty fucked in any deck that can edict.
>>97658101three of those places have regular pokemon events and two of them even have mostly children playing. one has a scary tall fat guy in a dress who plays though.>>97658132I've got two of them but should just spring for the full cycle of alt arts at some point.
>>97658123But i only play with my friends anon? We just understand competition is fun. It might be a bit too high T for you though.
>>97658175too many people are still in denial that asia has basically mogged the west in terms of entertainment IP for the longest time now
>>97658128There is a general where you choose your own adventure talking about making CYOA on this board right the fuck now, fuck off anon
>>97658128The most popular games are multiplayer games, the overwhelming majority of people who play them are not good at them and just play for fun and to hang out with friends. You are the minority. I could netdeck some oppressive high bracket deck and fucking sweat against high tier pods if I wanted to, but guess what I and most others dont find that shit fun. Even if Im not playing against friends if the randoms im playing against are clearly just running pushed bullshit to stroke their own ego and no one at the pod is even pretending to like each other than why the fuck would I be having a good time anon.
>>97658305Everything you just said is projecting
>Turn starts>Two players are clearly winning>You can stop one of the players but the other will likely winI'm getting really tired being in this situation. I always feel like I'm playing ref. I can often get in a strong position but more likely then not I find myself being forced into kingmaking. It's either lose now or later. Obviously I choose later but it never makes the other guy at the end of the table happen and I'm the asshole because of it.
>>97658305We're trying to shoo you away via brackets but not only you wont stay in your lane (basement) you whine that you got pubstomped by a worldshaper precon in an lgs so yeah big surprise we're not taking you seriously lol
>>97658344Ask what one winning player will give you in return for cutting down the other guy/not cutting them down and guaranteeing their loss. Assuming it's cut-and-dry, demand a turn of immunity.If they both refuse just play to your outs and hope the less likely player to win whiffs.
>>97658245Ask me how I know you have anime figurines
>>97658245Weebs actually believe this wow
>>97658305I play games with my friends cause its fun to COMPETE with my friends. Youre just a faggot raised by women in a society scared of anything approaching feels bad. So instead of caring about the game even remotely you do everything you can to disconnect from the actual intent of the game. You are a pathetic worm of a "man"
>>97658344Tell player B you will inhibit his win if he doesnt inhibit player A's win and equalize the boardstate
>>97658423And yet you're here in an anime forum playing a card game whose biggest selling set is anime :)
>>97658454Final fantasy isnt anime anon :-| nor is /tg/ an anime forum? Do you have anything of import to say?
>strixhaven is in less than 2 monthsbe honest anon, can you keep with release speed or are you getting tired?
>>97658473Anime, jrpg, chink media, tomatoh tomatoe, enjoy those sour grapes westoidBut hey we're getting marvel so that's a win right lmao
>>97658486What the fuck is there to keep up with? Sometimes I get a single or two from a set.
>>97658175my final hope is after another marvel flop they make a emergy collab with squeenix, and the raging trans at hasbro quit for having to draw 2B ass or keine's tits
>>97658499Everything, the card pool. the short time for drafting, standard decks rotating faster than ever
>>97658473>nor is /tg/ an anime forum?you are either a retard or a tourist, please leave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXoEeSaGYZUelf vehicles. this looks actually fun as fuck
>>97658554it seems odd to me that vehicle support has ended up being naya
>>97658245Yeah the growing queer subculture and increased purchasing power of brown people was really a huge boon to asian media. Shame they largely can't make anything GOOD, but it's okay because queers and browns have much lower standards anyway.
>>97656951What's the rograk and silas meme? I've seen it spammed a lot recently
>>97658490Its not anime though anon.>>97658539How many threads in the /tg/ catalog are anime related?
>>97656951Literally every post youve made is a pissbaby post because some people want to take the game more casually than you retard
>>97658445kek
>>97658439>politics and manhood out of nowhere over the fact that I don't take winning seriously in the anchovy and banana pizza gameYou're mad that I have fun with the game and you can't, simple as.
>>97658486It's fine. At most I pick up a couple cards each set and that's it. Sometimes something cool comes around that I like enough to build. It's really not an issue.
>>97658616reminder that sweats can always dumb themselves down to play at a casual pod but casuals can't have enough braincells to stop abusing unlimited mulligans so who's really losing here roru rumao
>>97658582>>97658606>can't even hype up marvelyeah western media sure is on top of the world amirite guys
>>97658644>people playing to win can't have fun because i can't fathom the ideaa complete midwit response
I hate this card so much
Do you guys have any fun at all here? It's always anons shit talking each other and doomposting.
>>97658680I enjoy the game still, but its clear that although Hasbro is raking in money, the game is becoming a shell of its former self.
Why are we arguing about which UB is on top of the shitpile?The "fix" to Magic is improving product quality.Cards that don't feel like they'll disintegrate from a stray breeze. Foils that don't come pre-curled.Stories written well enough people will care about them. Characters that aren't shallow cutouts of the personality traits associated with a fucking game mechanic (color).Cards interesting enough that you want to engage with their mechanics beyond the bare minimum. Cards that ask you to build around them rather than being setup+payoff.Boob artwork won't fix this. Traditional fantasy settings won't fix this. Better product fixes this.
>>97658678He needs static indestructible bro it would be a feelsbad if you killed my commander he already has to attack :(((
>>97658689I have no issue with the stance but damn anons only talk about how other random anons are either killing the game for liking UB or are faggots for not liking UB
>>97658680Sometimes? Sometimes someone posts a list that's fun to go through and give some ideas on and consider for yourself. Other times the threads just go to shit when it's just going to shit it's not really worth engaging with.
>>97658693the only way your concerns will be addressed is for hasbro to be bought by some rich guy like musk and be downsized twitter style to get rid of the troons and prioritize cardstock quality again
>>97658678I really do fucking hate that they gave it indestructible on top of everything.
>>97658704they're faggots not because they don't like UB, but because they don't even try to convince us to love UW
>>97658678It would have been cooler a card if it were a 4/3 or a 5/4 with shroud instead. He would have been a modern Multani of sorts.
>>97658680Post list>Feedback takes on superposition of input from people who only view the game through a cEDH lens, and people who only view the game through a 50-turn Timmy game where interaction and winning are evil>Both anons will call you retarded for not comforming to their vision of the formatDiscuss new card>Literally every modern card is designed to be playable by a toddler, likely because that's the intelligence level of R&DDiscuss story>lol
>>97658748>i hate everything about the game but I still wont leave
>>97658753Yes. What are you gonna do about it?
>>97658678I'm not sure what WotC was thinking with this card. You either focus down the Kotis player until he's out of the game or he just steals everyone's shit for nothing. The indestructible is just the icing on the cake. Ridiculous.
>>97658563I chalk it up to blue and black wanting to leverage artifacts in different ways than just swinging with them. Not that there can't be blue and black vehicle strategies, but that the support doesn't naturally fit what ether color wants to do that strongly.
>>97658748>Both anons will call you retarded for not comforming to their vision of the formati would think that the guy asking for reviews on his list would just take which advice from which anons is useful to him and be done with it, right?>well, they call you a retard on 4chan and that's meanlol
>>97658759oh nothing. you're just objectively a cuck that's all. you dont like whats happening around you in a game you once loved, but you CANT leave. You enjoy nothing anymore, every interaction with the game makes you upset but you can't leave. You stay and watch as WotC continues to bend the game you love over your kitchen table right in front of you and all you can do is pull out your wallet and some>more please
>They really thought this being 5 mana was a good ideaShould be 3 at most.
>>97658780>pull out your walletJokes on you, I build proxies from china which are actually higher quality.
>>97658753You have spent literal months telling people that if they don't like what the game is becoming that they should give up on it and leave you to slurp your slop in peace. It hasn't worked.
>>97658790Yes I agree a core set 2020 card printed at uncommon should conform to the standards of a pushed 2026 mythic that everyone hates.
>>97658796i still pay wotc so i can get the UB i want though
>>97658806Yes, and they should have powercrept it by now
>>97658819Then wait for UB: Marvel. Mark will probably print it on a Leyline.
>>976587905 mana in GREEN tho
>>97658845>2026>Still trying to use this as an excuse for bad mana costs
>>97658855Every card should cost one mana actually.
There are 35 Selesnya commanders that dont include +1/+1 counters, life gain, or tokens.Of those 35 >1 is an uncard>7 are literally from Legends>1 still does shit with +1/+1 counters just in a way that wasnt filtered>1 has partner>1 has friends forever>5 are UBSo in 32 years of having legendary creature MTG has made all of 19-35 Selesnya commanders that dont have to do with one of those 3 things.This is one of the reasons I like UB and it has nothing to do with UB but because of WotC. THEY REFUSE TO GIVE THEIR FUCKING CARDS VARIED SHIT AND REHASH SHIT A MILLION DIFFERENT WAYS>OH GREEN AND WHITE DID THIS IN RAVNICA SO THIS IS ALL IT DOES FOR LEGENDARIES Is fucking awful and UB literally FORCES them to do different shit for the sake of making sense because they just refuse to do it for the standard settings
>>97658907
>>97658907You are filtering the blink horsey as a +1/+1 counter commander but I promise you he is not.
>>97656384Anon you are wrong and we are right. This card is bad and spiked 1000% after pre-release because everyone is stupid except us.
>>97656066This nigga never seen the DBD Survivor playerbase
>>97656274>>97656278I don't see the bait there. If you aren't using time travel cards then your deck is significantly shittier. She is playable but a Jhoira deck with no Doctor Who cards is objectively worse than one running them.
>>97657870Call them out on it. I have before.
>See a short on youtube while I'm taking a shit, which is the only time anyone should watch shorts>See some cunt with glasses saying "so this is my make people salty deck, which is a 2. The commander is winota, and everything in the 99 is less than 10 dollars all together and it can make boys with 8k dollar decks cry."Is this even possible?
>>97658973>WinotaProbably
>lgs won't let anyone play without making a gatherer accountGuess I'll just go fuck myself then.
>>97659048>being this autisticEvery company already has all your info dipshit
>>97658790aint a better cheaper version at this point?
>>97659048My LGS kinda does this but it is less "required" and more "strongly encouraged"The reason they do this is because it assists in them being allocated shit by WOTC. Such as promo cards and the like. If they can show their commander night had 50+ sign ups, wotc will give them more shit than if they got 5 people.
>>97659040I do not own a single turtle card
>>97659068None that have that effect.
>>97659077You want a medal?
>>97658644There are no politics there unless anon. But yes your manhood is in question if you cant have fun competing.>projectionI always have fun, win or lose. Post a picture of a game anon
Jackolantern's Weather WBGEnchantmentWhenever a creature you control dies, gain a life, draw a card, and put its counters on up to one target permanent you control.
>>97659087NTA but yes it was absolutely political.
>>97659091Ruined it by adding white
>>97658652Still the one making pissbaby posts because people are playing in a way he doesnt like. Not sure what this "reminder" has to do with the conversation to be honest.>>97658662Why would I need to? The best entertainment IP ever produced is western and it will never be surpassed.
>>97658780>objectively a cuck>absolutely no cuckoldry is taking place, objectivelyLearn how words work please.
>>97658945Cards dont spike because they are good in EDH anon, which this is not.
>>97659095>World of WarcraftSurely you jest
>>97658973>GUYS I ONLY WATCH TIKTOKS AND SHORTS WHEN IM POOPING I SWEAR IM HECKIN BASEDQuite possibly the faggiest post ive ever seen in this thread my goodness
>>97658790Just take your gimp pissbaby version then.
>>97659092Whats the political part? Please enlighten me on the hidden politics within my post. I could use a good laugh and the reach im about to read should do it.
>>97659115Are you posting in a mirror?
>>97659110>zoomer detectedNo one who played WoW would think this is a joke. No MMO since its release has ever come close to its influence and none have stood the test of time in the same way. It completely changed gaming and any view that doesnt rank it as one of rhe best games ever made is biased.
>>97659095>The best entertainment IP ever produced is western and it will never be surpassed.
>>97659128bait
>>97659141Absolutely no one who played vanilla will disagree with me. Youre very clearly a zoomer so you are unable to understand.
>>97658486I have no problem skipping every other set if you know what I mean.
>>97659128I have played it (both vanilla and retail) at a friend's request. I promise you it is just the nostalgia bud.
>>97659128>wow>stand the test of timeLolWow selling the celestial steed was a watershed moment i'll give you that
>>97659171>both vanilla and retailOkay larping zoomer LMAO. You can't play vanilla and retail. You could've played vanilla (which was retail at the time) or CLASSIC which is a recreation of vanilla. >>97659172Any other MMOs lasted as long with as consistent a playerbase...? Nope!
>>97659141MMOfags are a lost cause
>>97659186>or CLASSIC which is a recreation of vanillaSo it's vanilla. Good attempt at catching me on a technicality I guess.
>looking through my old cards>see this ChadIs Shattergang even remotely playable now?
>>97659209he cute
>ban most of the banlist>bring back the tuck rule>bring back the old legendary rule>ban UB cards by defaultThere. I fixed the format.
>>97659234Bro, after printing Tuck: The Commander, they're never bringing back Commander tuck. It's just not possible.
>>97658554I like the concept of Spaceship Elfs, now i can play eldar at home
>>97657359>dont call consumer names like pigsopinion discarded, we need to make gatekeeping and bullying great again
>>97658711>rich guy like musk and be downsized twitter style to get rid of the troons and prioritize cardstock quality againBut this wouldn't happen. You'd get shittier cards designed by indians for 3x the price and 1/3rd the quality.
>>97658711He bought twitter, added awful monetization, and hired infinity jeets. And you think that's a good thing?
>>97659040I got Ninja Teen if that counts
>>97659234>>bring back the tuck ruleWouldn't that just make Tutors spike in price and force you to use them? Wouldn't that also make cards like Chaos Warp spike in price and make it an automatic include in the majority of red decks?
>>97659128I agree with you if it's Vanilla and early expansions but if you're talking modern WoW it can't even influence itself anymore. The devs are trying desperately to make FFXIV and they're failing horribly. Granted, FFXIV devs are failing horribly too nowadays but that's not stopping everyone else from trying to recapture their magic.
>>97659209there's a guy in the thread sometimes that has shattergang. duskmourn had some neat tech for repeatable enchantment tokens.
>>97658532>drafting in 2026>STANDARD in 2026Ahahaha
>>97659128WoW warped the genre so much that pretty much every other MMO copied the classes+ability cycling shtick. Even RuneScape eventually succumbed (OSRS is going through a golden age right now though).
>>97659350Neat. Wouldn't mind seeing a list. I last played him probably like... 2015? A lot of modern junk sac outlets like mayhem devil didnt exist yet, would be fun to make him.
>>97659374>copied the classes+ability cycling shtick.That was a thing before WoW
drifting in 2026
>>97659414I wonder where he's off to
>>97659392Yeah but everyone tries to iterate on how WoW does it.
>WoWSorry but I only play patrician MMOsWotc please get on to gagex to make a cringe secret lair of OSRS equipments where you make Mithrul Scimitar so broken it destroys legacy
>wow, your board is really threatening, I will attack you and use my removal on you>Wow, you have nothing on your board and have missed a few land drops, you're clearly up to something, I'll attack you and use my removal on what little you have
I can't remember the last game where there wasnt a UB card playedI barely see any games where there isnt at least 1 UB commander
>>97657487Tombstone will finally get some use
>>97659240>Tuck: The CommanderHuh?>>97659303That's how it used to be. You had at least one tutor in your deck in case that happened, and you made your deck work in case your commander got tucked. It's called resilience and good deck-building. Chaos Warp already pretty much is an automatic include in mono red decks.
>>97659467Just do what you do here and tell your friends not to play UB
>>97659483I think it'd also make people just use more commanders with eminence so they don't have to deal with it.
>>97658907There's a pretty significant enchantment theme too
>>97659471Honestly this should be azorius. Really weird to put a big creature hoser in green.
>>97659494>Honestly this should be azorius. Really weird to put a big creature hoser in green.He's a noncreature hoser
>>97659488Eminence was a mistake. Ban all eminence cards. Problem solved.
>>97659483>OLD THING LE HONKIN GOOD!!!!!!The format is called commander. If I wanted to play without my commander I'd be playing Canadian Highlander. Fuck off.
>>97659538Skill issue.
>>97659483Tuck rule was changed because it is a very very bad rule.
>THIRD TIME that UB is printing a straight powercreep of a commander I use
>>97659728This but it was Tarkir
>make a terrible misplay during combat>cant stop thinking about it the rest of the game>not having any fun anymore and cant focus because im thinking about what i couldve done if i didnt make the mistake>i scoop and now everyone hates meI hate being autistic
Seems look a hoot of a card.
>>97659778
>>97659483Tuck: The Commander.
>>97659778Worth it in Irenicus? I will build him some day. BG2 is my favorite game. Kinda hate how his card references one single scheme he does though. Jan is too much Ghave: artifacts edition and none of the other's are interesting enough or are juat downright bad. Edwin and Korgan got robbed.
>>97659747I hate you too
>>97659856>Worth it in Irenicus?Probably, if anyone does discards to pass it back you can always just give it back until someone actually kills it.
>>97659862>>97659856Oh shit. I forgot he has the "can't be sac'd" clause. Super worth it.
>>97659862They cant pass it because it sacrifices itself which is why Im hesitant. Targeted boardwipe is still probably worth it and they get a goaded 8/7. Im still leaning towards unblockable/shadow over bad gifts anyway but I think a few that really hurt make the cut anyway.
Does anyone play the original commanders in their color combination?>pic related>first Abzan commander
>>97659879No, all of those elder dragons are boring combat damage trigger cards. I think most of the original ravnica legends are still pretty fun
>>97659879No, but I play Piru, the OG Trostani, and Razia
So a good rule of thumb is to kill the 5 color commander on sight right? I don't think I've ever played a 5 color commander that didn't just vomit their libraries on the field after 5 tunrs
>>97659906Play Blood Moon
>>97659906no? what a retarded statement
>>97659946Post your 5 color deck anon.
>>97659906Clearly you haven't played against me
Ritual of UndyingBSorceryYou lose love equal to twice the number of times you have cast your commander from the command zone. Reset your commander tax.print it you wotc fucks
>>97659980Ritual of RegrowthGSorceryEach opponent may search their library for a number of basic lands equal to the number of times you have cast your commander from the command zone and put them on the battlefield tapped. Reset your commander tax.
>>97659988Ritual of LoveWSorceryYou gain twice the life you have cast your commander from the command zone this game.reset the command tax of each opponent
Ritual of Planar BindingUSorceryIncrease all opponents' commander tax by 2. Scry 1
>>97659980>>97659988>>97659995>Reset commander taxMake the cards 2 more mana and MAYBE id be ok with this. Commander tax is one of the only ways to stop a player from running away with the game depending on the commander. Also they better reprint the fuck out of these cards because they'll go into almost every single deck
>>97660026Naw theyll be a unique SLD. Good luck beating the sc*lpers
>>97660026lol the white one is unplayable anon. also what >>97660031 said
>>97659980>>97659988>>97659995>>97660020These are all unplayable garbage. Who on earth would even consider running these?
>>97659879Only OG Bolas
>>97660142I'd run it if I were running Food Chain.
>>97660142I was trying to make something balanced, that would look good to casual players without heavily impacting the format. I also think it should be a 3 CMC cycle, but I was sticking to the template the first Anon gave us.
>>97659879nu bolas counts
>>97660142they wouldn't that's the joke of being wh*te
>>97660142Bro a blue for increasing opponents commander tax by 2 and scry 1 is probably cEDH playable
>>97660218the joke is that's supposed to be the white card but ofc white has to suck
>>97660227>more schizo racial takeswhy is this board infested with /pol/tards?
>>97660247/pol/tard website, if you don't like it you have literally anywhere else on the internet to go (but you won't).
>>97660247>stating the fact that white has historically sucked in mtg means you're racist
>>97660254bait
>>97658439You're probably the guy everyone gangs up on and don't understand why they always do it. Competing in a fair and friendly environment is fun.
>>97660274>Competing in a fair and friendly environment is fun.you'd think that's an uncontroversial statement but try to follow brackets to the letter to build the best deck you can and you'll still get hated for it
>>97656673Damn good choice anon. Where did you get it printed from?
>>97660218Admittedly I didnt read yours I just grouped them all. Yours raised a question for me, would this make the first time they cast their commander cost 2 more? Or do they need to have commander tax being applied to increase it?
>>97660274How does this follow in your mind anon? Genuinely nonsense as a response to my post
>>97657087the elemental deck is too strong for most twos even as precon
>>97657087>>97660324>initially tell people bracket 2 is precon tier>people get offended that they're being called out and that they can't beat a precon>ok fine>time passes>people realize they, in fact, can't beat a preconthis shit will always funny
>>97657087Precons are not created equal.
>>97655262Sneak Attack
>>97660332nuprecons are bracket 3.the powercreep caught on
Tmnt is better than whatever strixhaven is gonna be. I hate the high school bullshit man
>>97660576of course. In Universe sets are always turds.
>>97660600by design, ofcourse. it's to boost shitty UB setseveryone knows this fact
>>97660576Bro is 40 year oldBro has more cards than hair folliclesBro thinks he can pay a corporation to give him a taste of his own childhoodPathetic.
>>97660324The elemental deck fucking sucks. I completely gutted it.WotC is pissing in the face of consumers by cramming that fucker with tapped lands and lands that only tap to cast creatures, meanwhile the shitty fucking turtle precon gets City of Brass and battlebond lands
>>97659747To be fair, it’s society’s fault for just letting you try to exist among the general population. In an idea world your sort would be confined to something of a hybrid between an asylum and a carehome, with no Internet acces
>>97660713Based turtles keep on winnin
>>97660641girls, girls. all sets are equally shitty. you are just splitting hairs over shit you recognize or a freshly laid log.
>Opponent pulls out his phone to track life totals for everyone>Picks it up constantly to text and scroll twitterThat's it I'm becoming a pen and paper lifetotal boomer or I am going to leap over the table and stab the next reddit moderator who does this
>>97660843Tell him to stop being a faggot and play, not play on his phone. I can't believe that shit is even happening. Whenever someone puts down their phone in my games, it just stays there.
>>97660843I built a dimir i will mill and use your cards deck to piss off zoomersi bully one out of the lgs because he got angry every round he had to touch his deck instead of doomscrolling alone
>>97661021The only guy I bullied out of my LGS was mad that I was running Aven Mindcenser in my white decks.Get fucked landfags.
I posted a deck idea here once and you guys told me I should kill myself.So far I'm just goldfishing it on tappedout but it seems to work pretty well.
>>97657373is elk actually gay? I thought he just had a feminine voice
>>97660332What phenotype is this
>>97661053should still probably follow that advice
>>97661083>is elk actually gay?The fuck do you think?
>>97660843Or maybe you could just use your phone instead?
>>97661302This is what I do at the LGS, I just offer to use my phone before the game starts instead
>>97661375A guy at my LGS must work on a farm or something because he was wearing waterproof boots at the LGS and his hands were filthy, but then he gets his phone out and it's literally crusty.I wanted to vomit. Would not fucking touch the screens of trogs at the LGS desu
>>97661421I usually use alcohol wipes on my phone before and after, don't wanna get sick and all that
>>97660324What didnt you like about it? The deck pops off like crazy right OOB
>>97660843Two D20's is the way to go
>>97661494The mana base in there is total fucking garbage. They did that classic budget 5c precon thing of just cramming the deck with forests and then giving you green ramp spells for mana fixing. I would be less mad about this if they didn't print City of Brass and battlebond lands into the fucking turtle preconA lot of elementals in there shouldn't be because they don't have ETBs or LTBs. Or have ETBs you wouldn't want 2 of, like the one that board wipes artifacts and enchantments.The average curve trends towards 3 or 4 because they didn't give you hardly any T1 T2 playsTimeless Lotus is a valuable card but a complete waste in this deck. At 5CMC you'd rather just cast an elemental for 4. It comes in tapped, and even once it untaps there is no fucking world in which you're actually paying that 5c cost on Ashling to keep a token around. That would be retarded, you're just paying 9 mana for 2 ETBs and keeping the permanent at that point.They didn't put in any way to populate or reanimate to keep a board presence. They didn't put in any way at all to reduce the 4 generic cast cost of evoking. I'm fine with them not doing both but they really ought to have done one or the other. The slivers deck from a few years ago came with Herald's Horn, it's really not much to ask. I don't think it was out of the question to print Animar into the precon honestly. Instead he damn near doubled in price because it was the single most obvious upgrade for the deck.It doesn't really have a way to close out the game. I think Sunderflock should have been an auto-include to clear the board so you can win with combat damage. But otherwise you're basically looking to create a bunch of tokens (keep them around SOMEHOW since the deck didn't come with populate or reanimate, as I said) and then win with Jubilation which is a superbudget Craterhoof.It's decent, but there's plenty to criticize
>>97661573I appreciate the well thought out response anon. I agree with parts, especially the mana base. After fixing the mana base and a few other ways to finish the game it can be a beast IMO. I plan on adding stuff like Warstorm Surge, Terror of the peaks, the red elemental from the set, I want to have a shit load of etb triggers for those cards which is why im also going to throw in blink cards and big stompy finisher cards like Path Breaker Ibex because its already really easy to have tons of creatures out to get a huge boost
>Resetting the game not really fun anyway. Rather someone just wins and then play a second game instead of hitting reset and dragging on for 1 hour.>My new philosophi is : just be the problem and have fun and maybe win 25% of the gamed if even. I am often content with just showing my engine and people going "nice" and then not winning. Why are Redditors so averse to board wipes? Bad at Magic? ADHD?
>>97661657Im more curious why you care or listen to their opinions. Not being a dick, i dont get it
>>97661694Shitter mentality proliferates and infects the people you play with at local game stores.
>>97661657They play the game for their deck to do their thing. Every game just goes until someones deck does its thing then play the next game and maybe your deck does its thing.Btw this would be a BASED mentality if it was all bracket 1 and 2 jank decks and just hanging out with friends but it is CRINGE because theyre all netdecked combo pile garbage they use to feel superior because their omega awesome combo worked and they got to shit on someone
>We've reached the point where etsy proxies are cheaper than real copies of reliquary tower
>>97661733I thought you were kidding but damn it's true
>>97661764Are they in every pre con like Sol Ring is?
>>97661773Not from what I recall
>>97661773Not every precon, but they have been in a lot. They were last Dragon Storm precons.
>>97661773They're in one of the precons for every precon set between Lost Caverns and Dragonstorm, only missing a reprint in Aetherdrift.
>>97661773The secondary market is fake and gay, ponzi scheme where price doesn't reflect reality because it's a bunch of nerds trying to grift other nerds and there's just enough financially inept retards out there to keep the whole thing barely afloat. Shuko is still over a dollar dispute the one card justifying it being more than a penny card being banned.
>>97661733but why?
>>97661944Dockside unban any way now... this will be the announcement... they can't get away with making me a bag holder...
>>97661958Right along with prime time. any day now. 2 more weeks. Trust the plan
Do we believe the king of serpents MaRo that Spider-Slop was top 10 best selling set of all time?Do we think he's deliberately being misleading by talking about distributor sales and ignoring store sales?
>>97661952But why what, I'm just stating a fact.
>>97660288Some store on amazon. I like the mat, its very pretty but I wouldn't recommend the store it because the shipping was so ass and slow despite it saying "ships the next day!" took 3 weeks past the estimated day of delivery.
>>97661764Why are they so high up? The decks that would really want this are so few and far between. I thought a bunch of precons had them too.
>>97662091If your deck draws a good amount of cards and youre not hurt for color fixing then its a valuable effect and one that wont really be fucked with since its on a land
>>97661989Whays the implication here? That LGSs have boxes of unsold spiderman in the backroom?
>>97661958>>97661986Hilarious that people think that people investing in cardboard are somehow both stupid and irrelevant while being the genius mastermind that's causing every ill in mtg
>>97662143>That LGSs have boxes of unsold spiderman in the backroom?No they have unsold boxes on the fucking shelves.At my LGS you pay for table rent and it comes with a pack. Your options are:>Aetherdrift>Spider-Man>TMNTThey sold out of Edge of Eternities, they sold out of Tarkir, they sold out of Lorwyn.
>>97662091It's splashable. I have personally met people who would say you should run it in every deck because it basically costs you nothing to do so. Then that one time you go against the group hug deck and draw over hand limit you won't have to discard.
>>97662165>2026>not dumping it into your graveyard and utilizing it as a second hand because people are too pussy to play graveyard hate anymoreNGMI
>>97662152>>Aetherdrift>>Spider-Man>>TMNTGrimId probably take TMNT
>>97660843>>Opponent pulls out his phone to track life totals for everyone> opponent dies> scoops >her phone and goes outside to talk to >her girlfriend> we all forget what life everyone had> find >her outside smoking a vape and sexting> ask about life totals> oops I closed the app
>>97662184You're a bald 40 year old man. The correct pick is Aetherdrift for vergelands
>>97662178Even without graveyard hate you have to build around using your graveyard like that, which is boring.
>>97662202Or the Aetherspark (to immediately turn around and sell)
>>97662202>>97662214Turtles has plenty of chase cards
>>97662202The gearhulks aren't too bad either. Stock Up is also a pretty easy hit that pays for the pack.
>>97662218Not if you have principles. WotC could print UB on gold plates and sell packs for a buck each and I still wouldn't buy it>>97662229Yeah it's a shame the set is so garbage otherwise.
>>97662144Baffling take, stupid people cause most problems in life.
>>97661764No bro you don't understand bro what if I draw an eighth card bro bro what do you mean bro well in this hypothetical where I get all of my draw engines out then I'm going to draw a hand of 12 cards bro well bro uh no bro how about I uuuuuh I don't know, not discard bro how about I not assess the board state bro and I just uuuuh keep everything when that happens well bro then what bro how about I overload a Cyclonic Rift and then we'll see whose laughing bro? xDHey what the fuck why do I never seem to have my third color of mana?
>>97662152>TMNTActing like this isnt because it's the new set and because it failed kekYou're also just making that up to begin with
>>97662269>Not if you have principles. WotC could print UB on gold plates and sell packs for a buck each and I still wouldn't buy itWell the pack was already sold so its not like buying it from the LGS counts for WotC's sales numbers. Its probably ok to buy them
>>97662308Every product in the set is available from distributors right now. This hasn't happened in years.
>>97662308>Acting like this isnt because it's the new set and because it failed kekWhere did I fucking say that? I said these are the options, and there they are. The point was Spider-Man.Holy fucking strawman.>>97662326>Well the pack was already sold so its not like buying it from the LGS counts for WotC's sales numbers.Stores report unsold stock to WotC bud.
>Assling fotm faggot plays picrel>Sweating because I have a tutor in my graveyard>Asks someone what they have in their graveyard>Asks the other person>Says he's probably going to cast the first guys swords completely forgetting to ask me>Hey man, don't you remember that anon used a demonic tutor on turn 3? You should grab that instead!>So he does.>Tutors for his sunderflock and swings for lethal on just me.Really bros?
now that i have your attention,i seek help in finding frames for some fairly expensive and rare playmats.what do you guys use if you ever done it? i just cant find a frame that 60cm length by 35cm height.help a coomer out.
>>97662411no one has one because everyone has been just proxying everything for years. you are better off asking at the mtg general
>>97662434>Proxying playmatsAre you some kind of retard?>>97662411The only ones I know of are like $100 USD.
>>97662404I'm amused because Command Zone recommended cutting that one because it relies too heavily on what your opponents play, but I kept it knowing there'd always be SOMETHING to play off it
>>97662468Even if you're going to hit a cultivate with it or rampant growth, when you're only playing 4 for it its still worth it. Not even mentioning tutors or removal.
>>97662468>because it relies too heavily on what your opponents playIt can also target your GY. Is the command zone retarded?
>>97662503>4 mana for 2 free spells and a 7/5 body to throw at someone isn't worth it.Yeah, the are infact retarded.
>>97662503>Is the command zone retarded?Yah
>>97662280>play in a cardboard game all about artificial scarcity>take the risk of investing in easily reproducible cardboard where all you really have is the company's word>whole businesses come to be because of this tenuous promise>you're lucky enoughto profit a bit and sustain yourself from taking this ridiculous risk>no, the secondhand market is the problem not wotcLmao
>>97662558WotC should print everything into the dirt. No cardboard should ever be worth more than 2 bucks
>>97662565You already can print everything to the dirt with your printer, commieYet your fantasyland eludes you for reasons beyond your comprehension
>>97662576You try too hard at this LARP
>>97662584>if i can't refute something it has to be a larp
>>97662565what an arbitrary number to say
>>97662588No, when you try too hard to bait people for (You)s and I've even seen you say the same words and phrases but arguing on the other side, then it has to be a LARP. Enjoy this one, it's your last reply.
>>97662596>I've even seen you say the same words and phrases but arguing on the other sideHoly schizo
>>97658678I like him. I'm tempted to do an ultra budget deck with him. Sounds interesting
Scrimblo brimblo fag killed himself. We will outlast you too, anticommielarpanon
>>97662558You profit a little, WotC profits more. UB exists because of the secondary market, because it's an excuse to add to a pseudo reserve list every year, even for dogshit sets like TMNT they know scalpercucks will buy it if they put in enough chase cards, meaning even the most dogshit products can't fail financially. This is how Spiderman ended up "The top 10 best selling sets of all time". Is it worth a little profit if your hobby is raped for it? More power to you I guess.
>>97662659>hasbro is a walking corpse kept alive by wotc>wotc despite being in the business for more than 30 years has failed to diversify its IP to other media beyond fucking funko pops so all profit has to be extracted/pillaged/raped out of cardboard>fucking gamesworkshop at least has a pc game to cater to gamers that wont touch a tabletop for christ sake>this is somehow the secondary market's faultKekw
>>97662659>even for dogshit sets like TMNT they know scalpercucks will buy it if they put in enough chase cards, meaning even the most dogshit products can't fail financially. This is how Spiderman ended up "The top 10 best selling sets of all time".You have to remember that MaRo is literally a PR guy. Take comfort in the fact that while he will tell consumers that Spider-Man sold well, he and his corporate masters know that was just speculative purchases from distributors, they keep records of actual units sold to customers otherwise they'd never know what is actually successful with the playerbase. So they will have thousands of unhappy WPN stores complaining that they dropped a fortune on Spider-Man expecting another Final Fantashit and are mad that they couldn't actually make a profit on it
>>97662554> drag RACE> not aetherdriftOne job..
>>97662713Yeah.Drag is fucking revolting anyway. I don't know how leftoids are so supportive of it. It's literally blackface but for women. I think it's because enough women like neutering men and feel empowered by dressing gays up and keeping them around.
>>97662710You are correct, it's a bullshit statistic, but it betrays the fact that they will always have a waiting base of gamblers who are afraid of missing out on "The next Final Fantasy". I guarantee you scalpers are already diving all in on Marvel Super Heroes as we speak, and if it performs like shit (for them not WotC), they'll continue to hold the bag and jump on the next set, in case it might be the next final fantasy.
>>97662723Ya I dont get it at all. I live in a liberal hellscape, my city unironically had drag queen story hour at the local book rental store
>>97662710The arrangement between LGS and wotc has always been skewed and risky for the former but wotc really screwed them over by going with walmart
>>97653132What's everyone's favorite board wipe?
>>97662554I think this still has the least amount of views compared to their other Game Knights videos
>>97662765>>97662765>>97662765
>>97662723>I don't know how leftoids are so supportive of it. It's literally blackface but for women. wait till you find out who also loves blackface
