Previous: >>97662765>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What is your favorite MTG plane?
>>97671938>TQI like AlaraThink its worth playing more than just Ichor Wellspring? My deck (breya) likes having sac fodder and 2 mana for 2 cards plus upside of saccing is a pretty good rate.
>>97671938Waifu <3
>>97671938>TQAesthetically it's Theros and it's not even close. For inhabitants it's Ixalan since they have the best version of Merfolk and Vampires with the other factions not being too bad. I would have said Mirrodin/Phyrexia but they fucked it up.
>>97671938>tqTheros. The art is so well done.
>>97671938>What is your favorite MTG plane?New York, why else would we go back there so often?
>>97671938>TQ: What is your favorite MTG plane?Lorwyn, Morningtide, Eventide, Shadowmoor block for sure.Anyways guys, what is the one website that, unlike Scryfall, has a way to sort the price of each foil per set?
>>97671938New York
>>97671968Enrage-style effects being split between Izzet+ pre Ixalan and Naya post ixalan fills me with so much pain man. Blue has some crazy good cards for enrage decks but my fav creatures are green. Then they go and release cards like fucking Ureni, Song Unending where it would almost be perfect to bring green and blue together finally but they randomly add "your opponents control" to piss me off for no apparent reason.
>>97671938>TQ: What is your favorite MTG plane?Lorwyn or the easy answer of Dominaria. Not a fan of theme parks.
>>97671934yes
>>97671938I really liked Mirrodin. May she rest in peace.
>>97672009>you can just eat himGeez
>>97672009>"guys please stop calling TMNT slop"
>TqOG Kamigawa. I dont give a shit if everyone hated it, fuck you.
>>97672051>Showing the one card where the name includes “slop” and the cards are any languageI hate that there isn't another card with "slop" in its name because it could be another useful shitpost like that french Retard card
>>97672051>slopslopI’m hitting the tipping point where whiners are more annoying than ub itself
>>97671938>tqthe original release of zendikar.>beautiful art direction>large variety of creature types>adventure/exploration theme but didn't feel phoned in>landfall had payoffs that felt powerful in every color>quests and traps were awesome>obsidian fireheart>rite of replication >celestial mantle
>TQIxilan for sure, it also has my favorite lands
>>97671938How did everyone's FNM go?Played 6 games, won 2, threw three games with bad targetting or failure of politicking, and got completely shutdown in hand and on field on the 5th game due to Tinybones discard and Zur lockout opponents.
>>97672009I'm actually building him
>>97672114We're far beyond that point, and have been for a long time.>>97672128My nigga, eventually I will have these as my basics in every deck
>>97672135I hope you have fun, anon
>>97672123Emeria is my favorite land card but if I had the choice I would delete Zendikar from history for Landfall's sins.
>>97672190i blame later sets for ruining landfall/lands matter as a concept.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97671938The first visit to Eldraine. I havent been playing as long as others. Only since 2019 with War of the Spark (I had cards from before then but thats when I really got into it) but I really like fairy tales and that whole aesthetics and I think it did a really good job of portraying it. Besides that maybe Theros? Duskmourn would be up there if it wasnt for the sheer amount of the 80s related references.
>>97672190I'd delete it for Lotus Cobra and the Troondrazi personally
>>97672242zendikar (the set) has no eldrazi in it at all
>>97672254Ok but we're talking about planes.
>>97672128Wrong answer
>>97672254Cool but the zendikar BLOCK does dumb fag nigger bitch
>>97672242*makes you seethe*
>>97671938Who here a pig who LOVES slop?
>>97672296here I amhttps://archidekt.com/decks/20623998/little_casers_
>>97672286I don't like Spider-Man either, you gonna defend that too?
>>97671938>What is your favorite MTG plane?
>>97672306>YOU MADE FUN OF ME FOR SEETHING ABOUT THING???>YOU GONNA MAKE FUN OF ME FOR SEETHING AT THIS THING TOO?????*makes you seethe*
>>97672365Okay cool we've confirmed you're just lashing out because someone didn't like what you like, GG troondrazi simp!
Man its quite offensive how low effort the last few years of releases have been. Zoomers truly are the goodest goy generation alive. They will happily slurp down whatever their chosen corporations shovel down their gullets without a second thought.
>Seethes at something he doesnt like and is such a mindbroken /pol/cuck that he just slaps every buzzword he doesnt like on to things that make him mad>Definition of lashing out is posting *makes you seethe*>Next post LITERALLY a minute later does the same thingWotC literally mindbroke this poor cuck damn
>>97672423At least have the balls to reply to the post youre referencing anon. Here i will do it for you>>97672365>>97672286
>>97671938>TQ: What is your favorite MTG plane?Dominaria, no contest. Dominaria feels so big that all the other planes would easily fit inside it.
>>97672423>I'm totally not seething bro
>>97672423>so angry utterly upset he's resorted to vagueposting just because someone said "troondrazi"lmaoYou're an actual AGP aren't you? The estrogen is destabilizing your very male emotions, try not to shoot up a school.
>>97672423Who are you quoting?
>>97671950I'd include pic related first and only then consider adding that card, if I still wanted more of that effect.
>>97672460>defending someone who seethes at a 2 word post and says its lashing out>>97672428>YOU DIDNT REPLY TO THE RETARD WHO WAS LITERALLY THE LAST 2 POSTS RIGHT ABOVE YOU YOU HAVE NO BALLS!!!Will always be some of the most fucking moronic autism people have on this sight. (You) hungry slobs
*site
>tqDo artificial planes count?
>>97672511Anon the only reason not to reply are retarded ego ones. Quite frankly gutless embarrassing behaviour. Be a man and address the people you are speaking to.
>>97672539IT WAS LITERALLY THE LAST 2 FUCKING POSTS BEFORE MINE YOU KNOW WHO THE FUCK THOSE POSTS ARE REFERING TOYOU DO NOT NEED TO REPLY WHEN YOU CAN EASILY FOLLOW THE CONVERSATIONWHAT IS THIS AUTISM
>>97672572>>97672511>Seething? Couldn't be me.
>>97672539>be a manbahahahahaha fucking christ the cringe
>>97672572Yet you reply to me despite our posts being consecutive. Peculiar.
Suck my cock and fondle my balls
>>97672576>things trannys say: the postYes you should conduct yourself in a becoming manner, even if its anonymous.
>YOU MUST FOLLOW MUH INTERNET ETIQUETTE OTHERWISE ITS UNBECOMING!!!Brother you are most likely 500 pounds and dont shower I do not care what the fuck you think of my posting style I will not follow your retarded standards. if you cant get over hangups like this your sensitive ass shouldnt be on the internet
good black cards with repeatable mana sinks are hard to find
>>97672819Clearly you've never beat anyone to death with an 80 power Nantuko Shade.
>>97672818Yeah, you're mad as absolute fuck
starting to realize that eldrazi/phyrexian players are the retards of the pod.
>>97672871Whatd you think of them before?
>>97671938>TQ: What is your favorite MTG plane?Lorwyn/Shadowmoor. I love the aesthetic, the lack of humans made them get creative with the creature types, and the light/dark duality theme was expressed really well. I think the sole stain on OG Lorwyn block is that it's where Planeswalker cards were introduced.
>>97672871how can eldrazi players be retarded? they win in the average podphyrexia otoh is a meme unless you're using k'rrik
>>97672871>phyrexian playersThese aren't a thing, surely? What the hell would you even play as a commander? It's not like Phyrexians have much of a unified gameplan aside from some vague infect/toxic synergies.
>TQdominaria during the planar chaos/future sight era.all that desolate landscape, tarnished by sand and salt.the art always made me wonder.
>>97672885>phyrexian obliterator + arena blocks your pathfor commander, just run Gix.
i would like a lorwyn set without tribal focused themes in it.
>>97672885>These aren't a thing, surely?Flip and step on me mommy, oh, oooooh
>>97672904>I want a tribal plane with no tribes in itSAM! GIMME A PIZZA WITH NUTHIN ON IT!
>>97672904So Eldraine?
>>97672891>just run GixSure, Mono-B groupslug/theft?
>>97672818>replies to no one>replies to me (despite posts being consecutive>doesnt reply to me when called out for the aboveYeah youre seething and a worm at that. I am in perfect health, I shower lots and my wife is 13 years younger than me. I achieved all these things because im an actual man and not a pathetic betacuck like you.>your sensitive assI simply called you out for gutless behaviour and you have screeched in response, the only sensitive one here is you.
>>97672910you can make it set on a plane without designing 30 creature cards that say the creature's type in the rules text and are ignored by anyone who isn't building a pile of the same creature type.
>>97672871>starting to realize that eldrazi/phyrexian players are the retards of the pod.> startingEldrazi is pubstomping for retards
>>97672924>>97672911What this guy said. Thats just eldraine. Both are heavily inspired by European folklore.
>>97672925>Eldrazi is pubstomping for retardsso why is this banned again?
You guys remember when they hyped people up for a return to Kamigawa just to make it nothing like Kamigawa?I remember
neon dynasty was pretty cool brah
>>97672964wotc is consistent in saying og kamigawa and lorwyn were flops so is it really a surprise that neon dynasty and loe are nothing like the originals?
>>97672953>Can't be countered and can't be removedGood players with good decks can deal with eldrazi at a whole.Her stat lines are hard to deal with for most decks period.You knew this though, you just cherry picked the only eldrazi that rightfully needed to be banned.
>>97672988Yeah it is a surprise. Are you retarded?>thing "bad" when released>thing come to be beloved>hmmmmm lets completely change thing. Why return if not to recapture the original, which people came to love. Why are zoomers so good at mindlessly defending retarded corporate decision making? Truly a golem generation
>>97672993>Her stat lines are hard to deal with for most decks period>the only eldrazi that rightfully needed to be bannedgood job showing only retards can't deal with emrakul roru rumao
>>97672999>IT HAS TO BE ZOOMERS WHO DISAGREE WITH ME!!!Not everyone is yout boogeyman bitch>>97672988OP, Return to Lorwyn is much closer to the original than return to Kamigawa was
>>97673014Post your ID and prove me wrong, incredibly easy, but you wont, cause im not.>inb4 durrr doxxingOnly zoomers would call a blacked out ID sans DOB doxxing
>>97673013I did the opposite actually, I see you are too much of a moron to see that though due to your own bias.
>>97673014>lorwyn close to originalNot even remotely. Like at all. Not in atmosphere or aesthetics or creature design. OG lorwyn has heavy folklore influence. Nulorwyn is "wot if we mashed up these animals crazy innit?
>>97672999>thing "bad" when releasedno retard kamigawa block was as a whole bad power level wise with only a few cards like top and jitte being exceptions>but the flavor! the thing came to be beloved!incorrect, people didn't fall in love with japan's mythology ala princess mononoke, they fell in love with anime>you goyim!lol
>>97673026>I did the opposite actually, which is to say i don't want a timmy card to beat meyour bias is to let decks do the thing, a sentiment that includes just about the most retarded edh players
>>97672009I CALL THE PIZZA PLACEAND I TELL THEMYOU GOT APIZZA FACE!!
>>97673027Lorwyn was still the same setting just not nearly as well done, Kamigawa was a complaetely different concept that they couldve just done on a new plane but didnt. They arent even comparable. Not to mention you only have yourself to blame really for expecting the artstyle to be similar since WotC has told everyone for years and years that they homogenized the artstyle for brand recognition purposes. The best you couldve done is hoped that every card had a pullable treatment that made it look more akin to og Lorwyn which they shouldve done >>97673028The powerlevel excuse is a bad one considering thats the easiest thing to fix upon a return to the plane. A feudal japanese setting with mystical elements would be one of the biggest plane requests now if Kamigawa never existed, but now not only will we never get anything close to a japanese inspired plane of any kind because wotc will go>but Kamigawa exists!Meanwhile Kamigawa now is just fucking Cyberpunk so a return there again wouldnt even give you the themes that someone asking for that kind of set would want
>>97673028Yes. It was bad, and then it came to be beloved for its aesthetics, in spite of its power level, and then upon returning they entirely abandoned the aesthetics that were loved. You are in fact a golem, not a goyim, you fucking retard, entirely different things.
>>97673050>nooo!! the people don't love anime!! that's why i'm here in an anime forum!!lol>using words he doesn't knowsince you're just a retard i'll let you know that golems in myth destroy the jews who made them, but that can't be the case with the zoomers you detest and claim to be slurping wotc's cock, so in truth you're referring to goyim, which are the ones that unwittingly slurp down wotc's cock (and are more often than not millenials you idiot)>>97673047>Meanwhile Kamigawa now is just fucking Cyberpunkyes because anime and neon dynasty sold well so you can't even refute wotc on their correct assessment
>>97673058Why do you keep talking aboit anime? Youre embarrassing yourself. And no, youre entirely incorrect. Golems are created jewish servants. There are many stories about them ending in a variety of ways but to describe them the way you did is flat out incorrect, my way is correct (as jewish servants). Dumb golem fuck
>>97673078>Why do you keep talking aboit anime? Youre embarrassing yourself.lol keep melting down man meanwhile I can't wait to have more anime UB>There are many stories about them ending in a variety of waysincorrect as you're just pulling that out of your ass because you're getting terribly beaten down over your schizo takes, golems are a cautionary tale as they inevtiably become something far worse than their intended purpose, you're terribly confused and lost from /pol/, at least they know that immigrant muslims are the current jewish golems
>>97673041
>Pov: You're playing blue
>>97673121
>>97673047>A feudal japanese setting with mystical elements would be one of the biggest plane requests now if Kamigawa never existedI fully expect wotc to be willing and able to double dip on feudal japan. maybe not in a hot minute with kamigawa being popular now, but there will certainly be a return to more traditional warring states designs in the future.
>>97673050>It came to be beloved Because jitte and top became eternal format staples for decades you numbskull and those were the only two cards people even knew from the set until commander got really popularized
>>97673133>but there will certainly be a return to more traditional warring states designs in the futureyet another understated fact of wotc's incompetence is how much they're ignoring the china market, wan zhi pai is big there and they really should get off their ass to do a journey to the west set or a romance of the three kingdoms 2.0 set
>>97673156the Chinese should never be pandered to. hollywood keeps learning that lesson every few weeks.
>>97673101You are flat out incorrect and its hilarious you think 6 seconds on google will convince me im wrong. There are many jewish stories about golems, and many of them do not end even remotely negatively
>>97673140No its because people came to love the aesthetics anon
>>97673175hollywood isn't pandering to the chinese anymore with their DEI movies
>>97673178And none of this takes away from the fact that they are still jewish servants by the way. My goodness zoomers are absolutely retarded. First generation to be stupider than the one before it in recorded history by the way.
>>97673178>There are many jewish stories about golems, and many of them do not end even remotely negativelyproof next thread? jotc knows more about golems than you btw
>>97671938>femalewhat the CHUD don't they mean body type B
>>97673190>oh you're going to kill me eventually? yeah you're a great servantlol way to miss the pointnext time go off on the zionist agenda and how the goyim are integral to that when you miss out on your meds again
Is he mostly a star in the 99? What's a fun monoB commander? I was thinking OG Chainer but without a bunch of infinite kokusho loops
>>97673204braids is fun for you
>>97673184mostly because china is a collapsing state. metaphorically and literally.
>>97673192Why would I prove what is common knowledge to anyone with a decent education on the topic?>>97673202Anon you have no idea what youre talking about please stop. Heck the most famous story about golem does not end negatively for the jews in question
>>97673216ive been hearing this for decades now
>zoomers seething that they are retarded jewish lapdogskek id be mad too
>>97673223>no receiptsconcession accepted schizo
>>97673235It's been going on for decades
Question: if I play Collective Inferno, naming God, and I have Purphoros out but he isn't online as a creature, does he still have the creature subtype "God" and therefore have his damage doubled? I assume yes but j wanted to double check
>>97673258Yes because it doesn't say only to double damage creatures of that type deal
>>97673258No, God is a creature type. Until he is a creature, Purphoros is merely a Legendary Enchantment
>>97673235cities are literally crumbling apart now.
i think kamigawa and lorwyn SUCKS
>>97673267Read the card, fuckwit.It says name a creature type, but then only says "sources of that type" not "creatures of that type"That's because tribal instants, sorceries, and enchantments exist. They even printed one in the same fucking set which is capable of doing damage
>>97673264>>97673267
>>976732852nd guy is retarded and doesn't know tribal exists. Or excuse me, """kindred""" now
>>97673210Yeah but there's no way my playgroup is letting me keep her on the field. I have a big pile of foil monoB staples rotting in my binder and I wanna build something. Xiahou DunWords of WasteMindslicerSadistic HypnotistChainerTainted AetherOppressionI'm thinking Chainer with a strong discard theme and a bunch of prison enchantments. Sooner or later I'd love to get a copy of Chains, and Nether Void. Chainer isn't bad at feeding Contamination either.
>>97673267So this isn't a goblin?He has the god sub-type regardless if he's a creature at that moment or not.BTW, Collective inferno works with this too since it is a goblin.
>>97673267You have never cast Deicide and it shows.
>>97673268i've been hearing that for decadesyou sound like leftists who like to pretend like the western bubble will pop any second now since 2016
>>97673281>>97673292>>97673298The errata on Purphoros is very clear on this. https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/246/purphoros-god-of-the-forgehttps://scryfall.com/card/thb/150/purphoros-bronze-blooded
>>97673313>He's doubling downKek, not even one of these anons either
>>97673308It's been happening for decades! Maybe not you specifically but people who hold this viewpoint uncritically swallow the line that America is collapsing, so this could be a case of biases at work.
>>97673313I'll admit I was wrong then.
>>97673298The Theros gods are creatures in any zone except for the battlefield because they have an ability which prevents them from being a creature until certain conditions are met (devotion to color)
>>97673308Post a story at least one decade old of Chinese cities crumbling anon.
>>97673308>i've been hearing that for decadesno you haven't, this has actually been happening in the last 5 years. fuck off back to /pol/
>>97673313>>97673346Embarrassing. There goes my credibility.
>>97673321>prove youre correct with literal ruling from the creators>TEEHEEE YOURE DOUBLING DOWNZoomers are genuinely painful to have around
>>97673354Don't feel bad, lots of MTG cards really fuck with the rules
>>976733495 years from now there will still be america, there will still be china, and there will still be people playing edh idk about standard though
>>97673406standard will always exist because there will always be some portion of the playerbase that is perfectly fine with a rotating format that would outlast their time playing magicpioneer, though...
>>97673356>ITS THE HONKIN ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMERS!!!!Zoomers own your brain. You realize the oldest zoomers are pushing 30 years old right
>>97673456Zoomers are just objectively a pox on every community they join. Im sorry you feel called out, do better and it wont bother you so much.
>>97673313Thanks anon, I'll put a different war crime into purphoros then
>>97673463>Zoomers are just objectively a pox on every community they jointroon millenials want this fyi
>>97673463Cry more
>If or when: a "Versus" set. (A set themed based on a clash between multiple planes, for example: Kamigawa vs Ikoria)>My gut is when now that omenpaths exist.>What two worlds would all you like to see clash? Well anons what planes would you like to see CLASH
>>97672953> protection from colored spellsDies to Swords to Plowshares. Its balanced
>>97673532Eldraine and innistrad places
>>97673532I would like to see the racist shadowmoor kithkin kill some ixalan dinosaurs.
>>97671938>What is your favorite MTG plane?I guess Innistrad since it is just temu Universal Horror?Most of MTGs planes suck because they're just "Legally distinct version of another IP" or "real world culture but names changed to protect the innocent gods"
enemy color plane vs ally color plane
>>97673541It must be nice to be this low IQ
>>97671938>TQOG kamigawa. Neon dynasty is shit.
>>97673406irrelevant. i accept your concession.
>>97673547Enjoy your temu shit
>>97673532I feel like this would only result in unpleasant direct power comparisons. I was really disappointed by stuff in march like "the innistrad zombies are actually immune to getting phyrexianized, surprise"
>>97673541>the original theme park plane, Diet Twilight™, is the favorite of the UB trollkek, checks out
>>97673639Solid bait reply
>>97673625>the innistrad zombies are immune to both emrakul's influence AND phyresis>no it's just innistrad, zombies from other planes are FUCKEDlol amazing writing wotc
>>97672009Too bad he is terrible
>>97673625>>97673645I mean it's objectively lazy writing but its been established for a long time that planes have their own little idiosyncrasies that dont track across every plane which makes them unique. Yeah theyre zombies, and other planes have zombies. That doesnt mean Innistrad's zombies arent different than Amonkhet zombies.In reality is it just because the Innistrad zombies are too integral to the plane's visual and thematic identity for them to fuck with? Yes, but still it doesnt technically go against already established mtg bullshit for them to just be different because
>>97673609>low iq retard lashes outVery common.
>>97673669>>97673645This isnt lazy or bad at all. Different planes are different places... a goblin from ixalan is not the same as goblins for other planes. Absolute retardation seeing the same word and thinking they need to be the same despite knowing how the lore of mtg works.
>>97673677>Different planes are different places...No
>>97673684compelling argument.
>>97673686I mean if they are then why do retards cry about planes that have modern stuff (Duskmourn) or high tech (EoE)? If they aren't all the same place then they should be able to change wildly. But most retards here think it should stick to the exact same fantasy aesthetic
It has to be bait, it just has to be
>>97673696Shit bait is still bait.
>>97673696
>>97671938>TQ: What is your favorite MTG plane?Phyrexia (Old)
95% of the shit bait is from the same handful of terminally online esl shitskins.
>>97673702no one is even stating what the bait is. I just got here and see none
>>97673706best way to discourage it.
>>97673700Based
>>97673710Just makes everyone confused.
Wow this might be the worst TQ of all time
>>97673130You're doing it wrong
>>97673702>Better strawman, that'll show 'em
>>97672130I don't play standard
>>97673541You can say that about most any body of work though, from Final Fantasy to Indo-European mythology.
>>97673695>why do retards do retarded stuffTruly a question only another retard would ask.
>>97673724Not really.
>>97673734>what is a rhetorical questionretard
>>97673734the hypocrisy is astounding
>>97673753Not that post that much is for sure lmao>Nice argument >WELL THEN WHY!?!!?!?!?!?!?!
>>97673695>I mean if they are then why do retards cry about planes that have modern stuff (Duskmourn) or high tech (EoE)Because they are dumbfuck autistic manchildren who don't want to accept that's a direction WotC are going.One is free to not like it of course, but we've long since past the point where one just needs to accept that is the reality.The same thing goes for UB as well.
>>97673722youre still seething something awful from last night, aren't you
Any body know where you can get high res pics of the card art?
>>97673746You absolutely can. Art and culture absolutely borrows from other art and culture.
>>97673797pray the artist hosts it somewhere
>>97673797Many of the artists have personal sites or are places like art station with it.
>>97673801The Roman's never borrowed from any culture.
>>97673817Tell that to their gods.
>>97673783Not liking it makes no sense if you take the position the planes can be wildly different
>>97673821Doesn't count
>>97673826Autistic retards are often irrational. I don't know what to tell you.
>>97673812>>97673802Sick found her site and shot her an email to see if I could get a higher res image. Probably going to get a card signed as well because it seems easier then I thought, and would be neet
>>97673470You're certainly not lacking for options!
>>97673817Is this a joke?
>>97673817What a /pol/-brained response. They borrowed hard from Etruscans and Greeks. Like other cultures, of course they innovate a little, but you're gonna have a rough time if you think Romulus and Remus isn't just a retelling of the Twin Brothers.
>>97673843you asked if she sells whatever it is you're looking for first, right?
>>97673837your opinion doesn't count either
>>97673877Ad an addendum, the Kingdom and Republic borrowed heavily from Etruscan and Greek thought and culture.
>>97673884Yeah they did but the links dead. Basicaly just looking to buy it and refering to the old link
I'm too much of a retard to use this card. I don't have the patience to not just windslam it with opposition agent too early when people are likely still holding removal for either.
>>97673922>It's only like 25 centsSomeone stop me from buying a 1000 of them
>>97673281See how that card says Kindred Instant? And see how Purphoros DOESN'T say Kindred Enchantment? This is because Purphoros isn't a Kindred Enchantment, and consequently doesn't have a subtype when it is only an enchantment.
>>97673933Do it, be the lobster guy but with moonsong.
>>97673877This /pol/ obsessed zoomer seething all over the thread is hilarious
>>97673933Why would you buy a shit card?The "can't gain life" makes it utterly unplayable. The only reason to play it over Moonsong is because you are too broke to own a Moonsong
>>97673953Sorry, Maralen of the mornsong
>>97671938>TQInnistrad because I like the spooky halloween monster aesthetics. Theros being a close second because it was the block that got me into magic.
>>97672819>good
>>97673922It would basically only work in a deck that punishes opponents for searching their decks.Letting everyone tutor is just too busted, they will all go find their combo pieces, and even if you're playing low bracket, the first person can just go tutor removal and the card does nothing.
>>97673953Because its objectively better than maralen?
>>97673922make them have it
>>97673974I think the gimmick is casting Plea for Guidance and finding Stranglehold + Mornsong Aria. Mindlock Orb works too but it's harder to tutor them both at the same time.
>>97673984I'm not in red with the deck, but I have been thinking about building him though.>>97673986That or opposition agent, like I said in the first post. Any way to turn it into a lock out.
>>97673984I cast stock up nothing personnel
>>97673975>letting everyone tutor is good
>wincon gets counterd>cast a board wipe
>>97673995I look like and do this
>>97673991ancient alara tech
>>97674007That locks you out too, yeah, It works if you have a winning board state, but its even harder to get working.
>>97672033>>97672033Greatest plane they ever made>>97671950Alara is cool and I hope they never return>>97672123I think the adventure theme was really cool. Traps, treasures, and merc crews. Like the disney Atlantis movie. People overlook how subtley fluffy and thematic it is while not being cheesy or dated. Unfortunately it got overshadowed by the gatewatch avengers crap and the eldrazi becoming the only relevant thing about them.The artwork depicts tiny adventurers navigating trechearous landscapes, dodging falling rocks, climbing rock faces, trudging through swamps, getting sucked into whirpools or falling into pits full of snakes or spikes. Like something from The Mummy or Indiana jones.>>97673498without the creatura it would still be a shit piece of art. idc if Rhystic studies makes a 50 minute video telling me I'm "art illiterate" for hating it. wtf were they thinking??
>>97673994You are a retard.
>>97673991Part of me thinks that we could have had a cool and tasteful western-style set without it being a lazy and tacky amagamation of western movie cliches and random characters in hats and boots. Kind of like how Trigun handled the western genre. we will likely never get an honest attempt at from WoTc thanks to OTJ being so poorly received and ever single set inevitably becoming UB until the IP crashes and burns.
>>97674025>Part of me thinks that we could have had a cool and tasteful western-style set without it being a lazy and tacky amagamation of western movie cliches and random characters in hats and boots.We can't do this anymore because planes can't have space to breathe anymore. You have to cram the entire story into one 190 card set that's going to be one out of seven sets that year alone.
>>97674007Does any color get fucked over by this MORE than blue? I can see most green decks wanting to search for lands or creatures but any tutor-reliant start seems very niche in other colors.
>>97672999People only pretend to like these old sets because they're nostalgic for the years they were released.
>>97674035TRVKE
>>97674025If we ever want flushed out new plays, they need to go back to doing blocks, so you have the set up, the events, and then the pay off before you move on. No new plane is ever going to be worth a damn, and even going back to some old ones they're just a joke like Karlov.To be honest, I don't even care that much about the characters we know suddenly being in a plane of rooty tooty shotty yeehaws, if we had an actual reason to know why they are there.>Oh shit, we got thrown here by the omen paths.>Rakdos?! Seriously, what the fuck are you doing here?>Well, they say there's an old soothsayer in them there hills that is stopping the omen paths out of here, guess we're going to have to go deal with him to get out.>Why, sure I can help you, but you're going to have to pull a heist!>Oh shit, is that a shitty mascot? Fuck this plane, oh shit, he's actually useful, now we need to kill the wizard to get out.Preparing the heist, finishing the heist. I know what they're doing and why I care.
>>97673406Will Iran exist in 5 years?
>>97674046Strixhaven is where this shit came to head for me. Went to draft and in my first pack I got both the introduction to the set's story and the immediate resolution with 5 cards.
Lowkey Edgar is kind of shit if you actually build him as vampire tribal. It's unfair that Edgar players draw so much hate.
>>97674068>free tokens from a source that cannot be interacted with and is active from turn 1 is shit in fucking orzhov+
>>97673941It's pretty easy to tell when they frequent /pol/. It's a very distinct kind of stupidity.
>>97673922play it in ghenput it into your graveyard, reanimate it at instant speed for your draw step, then sac it during your turn to reanimate something elsealternately, look the blue player in the eye with it on the top of your graveyard, hand over your commander
>>97674075Yes it is because vampires aren't good enough to keep in bracket 3 anymore, there's so many hyper-pushed decks that can just do way more.There's combo-focused bracket 4 decks that make Edgar somewhat decent but they're not playable in bracket 3 and they're also not really vampire tribal.
>>97674035No people like them because the aesthetics are nice and in regards to lorwyn block there are a ton of bangers edh cards.
>>97674086Sounds like you're bad at deckbuilding. How do you feel about that?
Gavin SAVED Commander
>>97674090Show me an Edgar bracket 3 deck that isn't either a bad aristocrats deck or combatslop.
>>97674075Yeah an extra 1/1 a turn, maybe 2, really isnt that good. Even if its uninteractable.
>>97674053Yes
>>97674075>and is active from turn 1 This is really the trap with Edgar Markov.People see the Edgar player have 4 creatures by turn 2 and think it's the most broken thing ever, but then the deck rarely does anything impactful from the midgame onward.
>>97674097>>97674098>>97674104Why don't you go pay some diaperfur to tell you how to build good decks instead of crying about your own lack of ability?
>>97674075A single 1/1 that relies on another creature being CAST was bad in 2017 and is mega shit now.
>>97674114kys diaperfur obsessed fag
>>97674046I think even Aetherdrift would've been redeemable as a block. Dividing the race into 3 clean, separate legs at 1 set each would have made it coherent.
>>97674114I think the one saying Edgar is too strong to handle is a far worse deckbuilder than the ones who arent scared of an extra 1/1 a turn cycle. I have never lost to an Edgar deck, ever, something you clearly seem to have trouble with.
>>97674007Based. I played this in my Vendilion Clique deck back in the day when you could tuck commanders.>bounce commander back to hand>cast Clique>tuck their commander to bottom of their library>cast Mindlock OrbIt was absolutely devilish.
>>97674121>I think the one saying Edgar is too strong to handlePoint to a post saying that.
>>97674132Nah im good you can keep on seething about a weak commander anon.
>>97674124Back in the day before people ran so many tutors, I'd rely on tuck cards as one of my wincons. It's never a surprise when someone's deck completely falls apart without their commander
>>97674140>I can'tRight answer.
>>97674075>>97674132
Finally, pretending to be a retard paid off.
>>97674151>card gets described as "shit">refute it being "shit">"SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S TOO STRONG TO HANDLE!?!?!?!"That's some autism right there.
>>97674153>le grew up false flagZoomies are so easy to spot its not even funny. He is largely right anyways. Not entirely but largely.
>>97674159>>97674114The fact you are calling us bad deckbuilders and such makes it pretty obvious you view it as a very strong commander and the only reason we dont see it as such is because of the aforementioned lack of deckbuilding skill. Its okay :) you get scared by bad commanders anon, good players dont youll be a good player one day if you drop your undeserved ego.
>>97674153It's funny to me how everyone who ever changed their opinion on something describes it as "growing up". If "growing up" meant developing specific views then everyone in the fucking world would think the same, but they don't. You changed your mind and reassure yourself every day that your new views are correct by saying that you grew up. In a few years time you will change your mind again and do this same thing.
>>97674160Zoomies are too busy fapping to whatever playable advertisement of the month WotC is printing to be arguing with you right now.
>>97674166>you are calling us bad deckbuildersStruck a nerveAlso>us>makes it pretty obvious you view it as a very strong commanderSaying a card isn't shit means I think it's very strong? Do another one, what do I think when I tell you you're a fragile little autist who regards every difference of opinion as an existential threat?
if edgar is not strong then why the FUCK is field of the dead a gamechanger while also being worse of the 2
>>97674173>usYes.... you replied fo 3 posts anon. At the very least two different people cause only one of them is mine, therefore us.>saying a card isnt shit. .I already explained in crystal clear terms how you implied that you think its strong anon. By calling us bad deckbuilders for disagreeing, you are implicitly stating that it is a strong card, and the problem lies with us.>random projectionI genuinely have no idea what youre saying here
>>97674175Field of dead is so much better than Edgar its actually painful to see them be compared.
>>97674185>you replied fo 3 posts anonI'm aware I just think it's amusing you're treating it as some united front.You're not replying as an individual, you're taking up the sword for your fellow alleged bad deckbuilders in hope they will rally to your aid>I already explained in crystal clear terms how you implied that you think its strong anonQuite literally by refuting someone calling it, and I quote, "shit">I genuinely have no idea what youre saying hereI'll put it this way then:seek a diagnosis of autism if you do not already have one
>>97674196Not a united front... just a group of people you called bad deckbuilders. Fucking hell you are absolutely retarded.>non sequitur ignoring my point>more projectionSad display.
>>97674146>"I cast my commander!">"In response..."Back when WOTC had balls. This card was first introduced in first commander precons. Bring back the tuck rule, bring back the old legendary rule. It was so much more fun that way.
>>97674201So what you're saying is you already have a diagnosis of autism and do nothing to manage your condition?
>>97674202Absolutely was in every single one of my decks. Alongside this beaut
>>97674205>more nonsequiturprojectionsIs this what we do here now? Make retarded statements and then flail around like an asshat when challenged? Have some dignity anon.
>>97674211You're gonna have to try again for the last word
>>97674173Markov is shit though lmao
>>97674202>anon still larping about the old legendary rule which came up 1 in 100000 gamesGrim existence.
>>97674202Those rules were changed because they were anti-fun and encouraged generic deck building
>the tuck retard is still here thinking is the be all end all to fixing the formatYou should probably just like, kys or something since its never coming back and its good it got removed.
>>97674252Oh and back to the original point: Romans indeed borrowed from Etruscans and Greeks, and I want you to remember you were wrong til the day you die.
Jeweled Lotus...my beloved....
>>97674241NOOOOO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO DESTROY SOMEONE'S DECK WITH ONE CARD
>>97674260Imagine being enough of a fag to report someone you don’t agree with and then go full reddit trying to school themYou do not belong here
>>97674278Jesus they got both of us. I also got the temp block.I'm the guy you are arguing with btw.It's fine, i hope you have a good night anon.
>>97674308Sweet dreams homoturd
>>97674310Wish they'd use her as a storyline villain instead of phyrexians, Eldrazi, or Gay Bolas
>>97674315Better they leave old, good things alone until the current creative team dies or leaves
>>97674219>*ahem*
>>97674222Oh you mean like now where everyone plays everything because there is no chance of it being removed because someone else is playing it? Yeah really diverse.
>>97674413If tuck came back then you'd no longer see decks for build around commanders and people would play more generic decks playing off the strength of their colors and archetype. Which will result in a commander that feels like 60 card formats
>>97674423If tuck came back everyone would run 10+ fucking tuck cards in every deck and no one would ever summon their commander unless it had some game-ending EtB effect. Sounds like absolute cancer
>>97674426This guy is the kind of guy who says tuck is based as fuck, then would flip the table if anyone did it to him
>>97674404Yes? Im not sure what you think youre proving here? Old legendary rule was removed because it was literally irrelevant.
>>97674423>>97674426Skill issue. Commander was around for over a decade with that rule and did just fine before those WOTC fuckers meddled.
>>97674440And you need it to win now, because?
>>97674440It was fine. Then it got better. Stop larping I guarantee you never played when either of these rules were around.
>>97674447I don't. I just prefer the older rules.>>97674449I've been playing since unlimited, and EDH since 2009.
>>97674450>I don't. I just prefer the older rules.Then cope in silence, they aren't coming back you retarded faggot.
>>97674455
Tuck was basedPartial Paris was based
>>97674450Post your ID and prove youre old enough to make such a claim anon ^.^
>>97674467I don't believe him, but come on man. "just doxx yourself bro" is retarded.
>>97673308The west has already slid considerably. We're well in to our malaise era. No big happening, just a slow, further erosion of what is already falling apart.
>>97674476>a date of birth is doxxingYou are aware you can like.... Black out the unnecessary information right?
>>97674114Are they actually a diaperfag or is this just to make him look bad? I don't watch zoomer content, my only exposure to this guy is (You) posting these foul images every thread.
>>97674501I have been hearing that for decades. bothing ever happens btw
>>97674557>I do not pay attention there for nothing happens chudface.jpg
>>97674449Bitch I've been playing since Karakas was legal fuck off
I don't care if you played with tuck rule. Examining the game as it exists now makes it clear that rule would make the game worse if it was reimplemented. Even just the physical aspect makes it a bad idea since precon commanders are foils and would instantly stick out along with the sleeves being essentially marked by a difference in wear due to the commander sleeve not being shuffled with the rest of the deck during regular gameplay. It makes sense in every possible way both physically and mechanically to set the commander apart as a piece that doesn't go into a randomized location. Being able to exist in the hand as a private location is fine since not being in a public knowledge area makes it public knowledge that the commander is being held in the hand since it can't exist anywhere else. Shuffled into the deck is too far removed from how the commander as a feature works now.
Fuck every one of you which commander WANTS to be shuffled in? I'm gonna fucking tuck my own commander as my wincon give me your best ideas
LGS owner casually made some joke about how his shelf is full of UB stuff that people dont buy
>>97674738
>>97674739It actually did and it was kind of weird.I pulled a Kern drink out of the fridge amd some sunchips. I jokingly said Id sue him when I get diabetes. He replied that hed get me insulin but it would be UB insulin because all they have on the shelf any more is UB and that it would turn me into the avatar.I do tell fake stories on here but this one actually happened
>>97674753He said Avatar and FF sold well? If so, your shop is in serious trouble.
>>97673995uhhh based?
>>97674768Avatar and FF being the ones that sell well actually makes sense though.
>>97674738sounds like a cry for help and not a joke
>>97671938How hard would it be to cobble together a basic Elesh Norn deck? I don't play but friends do and I quite like her and her giant-ass arrowhead hat.
>>97675261>hatlearn the lore, please
>>97675018>avatar>selling wellno way on gods green earth will i ever believe that garbage fucking set and its cringe characters, sold better than OG innistrad block and return to ravnica, let alone OG zendikar.gtfo of here with the kike lies
>>97674665Zoomers really just say stuff and think we will believe them lmao
>>97675425>maro says aetherdrift flopped>i believe this because it confirms my biases>maro says avatar is 3rd best selling set>he's lying because it contradicts my biasesEvery other tcg out there not named F&B are anime anon, avatar really is the 3rd best selling mtg set
>>97675425They obviously did as the game is much bigger now? More players equals more purchases equals better selling. Is it any shock that the best selling sets happen ti be <recent set>. The playerbase has literally doubled, if not more, from when they were released.
>>97675490NTA but avatar is not anime, anon.
>>97675550Inb4 some proxyfag that only plays edh or premodern tells you that a churning but paying casual base wont keep mtg alive
>>97675552Tomato tomatoh, all cartoons are animeshun, lorcana included
your belowed UW is just mandatory filler to pad out superior product. they don't even do UW to make their own IP more valuableHAHHAHHAHHA
>>97675583UWfags BTFO
>>97675550>The playerbase has literally doubledsource: trust me bro
>>97675552Yes it is.>>97675583Anon stop embarrassing yourself. Your worth is not tied to wotcs bottom line and posts like this make it seem like it somehow is.
>>97675616Google says so. 20 million in 2015, 35 million now. 10 million when OG innistrad came out. And I mean this is just an obvious conclusion to draw logically. More people exist. "Nerdy" interests have become more popular. LGS are more active etc.
>>97675675NTA but to be charitable you can't deny that UW sucks because that netflix shit wouldnt have stalled otherwise
>>97675695Stop being pathetic holy fuck. This is worse than console wars because both parties are playing the exact same fucking thing. Stop tying your self worth to a corporations bottom line. Worm behaviour, you should take your life.
>>97675425My microcenter has full shelves of collector packs in the discount section
>>97675725I don't use UB. we are not playing the same thing
>>97675725>say UW sucks, an indisputable fact>stop tying your self worth to wotc kys!!Damn what a meltdown lol
>>97675744>>97675753Congrats on turning 4 anons but no matter how big a tantrum you throw, its all magic.
>>97675733Yes, they bought lots of avatar from WotC or the distributor who bought lots of avatar from WotC. Same as every store that has rotting inventory.Which means, WotC sold a lot. That is their sales.Wizards doesn't sign a contract with every store that sells mtg that they get 1 dollar for every pack sold.
Can anons talk about something else besides UW vs UB? God damn man it's the same argument every same day with the same people that won't change their mind on the subject talk about something else.
>>97675759classic victim of a demoralization campaign
>>97675783Normally real healthy mtg talk would revolve around meta discussions as it has always been the case since 1994 but since too many casuals want to do the thing and god forbid you critique their list (muh sweats in a casual game?! Fuck!!) you greatly diminish what can be talked about
>>97675797>Post a list asking for help>Wow, UB? Kys>Wow, this is shit, and I won't elaborate as to why>I've never seen a worse deck, kys>slopslop sky
Seinfeld will complete the New York block. Naturally George will be one of the featured precon commanders (Jerry, George, Elaine, and Kramer). Design his card, color identity, etc
>>97675807>give genuine advice>32 lands every time, kys>boardwipes? Kys>interaction? KysCasuals dont even know basic deckbuilding
>>97675818The Summer of George 1RWWSorcery Each player shuffles their hands and libraries into their decks and then draws 7 cards. Until the start of your next turn players can't gain or lose life, win or lose the game, or draw cards>"This is gonna be my time. Time to taste the fruits and let the juices drip down my chin. I proclaim this: The Summer of George."
>>97675859>Give genuine adviceThis doesn't happen, and that's the problem.
>>97675864George is grixis
>>97675787I am demoralized because I dont tie my self worth to UB/UW and play what I want? Weird cope anon. Seek help, I would suggest therapy or a new hobby, one that requires building something so you can have a sense of achievement in your life.
>>97675859>>97675807>Look through the past 10 threads, control F for archidekt.and moxfield links>If people get advice at all, its positive and positively received>Several decks where people just say the deck is slop or bad and offer no helpful advice what-so-ever.NTA, but i don't know why you felt the need to make some strawman attack on "casual" players.
>>97675903It's not a strawman attack at all, casual players are the same people who will tell you not to use throws in a fighting game so they can block all day, they deliberately shun aspects of the game for the sake of doing the thing, so much so that there are two languages going on
>>97675927Are you saying the people asking for advice are the casuals in this scenario or the ones giving the bad advice are the casuals? Just so we are both clear, because people reacting to genuine advice with "why would I run interaction? Are you retarded" simply didn't happen in the 10 thread sample size I looked through.
>>97675927those are scrubs, anon.
>>97675959Yeshttps://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub
>>97675880no. you are demoralized when you admit UB is magic. also nice canned response
>>97676057>canned responseIf you hear that alot, it means you probably need to do those things. People are expressing genuine concern for you but you are married to your anger.>demoralized cause thing you dont care aboutNah i just play what I want and dont tie it to my personality, cause thats embarrassing
what commander will let me loop these fuckers I wanna punsh greed and durdle
>>97676094>PLEASE THINK FOR MELiterally any reanimator commander zoomzoom
>>97676094The only one you need
>>97671938I really liked the dark fantasy/cute countryside contrast in aesthetics of Ulgrotha/Homelands. It's pretty unique even among oldschool MTG sets, with maybe The Dark being quite close.
>>97676084>imp_lying.jpgalso, you can play whatever but that doesn't change that UB is still not magic
>>97674315Whats her deal story wise, just a ancient mean ass avatar? And why is she trapped in ice?
>>97674739Na thats actually totally belieable Doc
>>97676124>LITERALLY any reanimator commanderZomg zoomerschizo lied to us
>>97676187Casting from graveyard is different than reanimating anon
>>97676212>it still doesn't workImagine going to bat for zoomerschizo
I need an honest opinion on this>group plays low power bracket 3>somewhat optimized goodstuff and staples, but usually nothing over the top expensive>maybe one occasional game changer or the occasional pet cardsso far, so good. now if I bring my fedora tipping commander, he wins 90% of games. the last game I lost with him was through a combined effort of 3 players using every piece of interaction on him. nobody wants to play against the deck anymore, it's like the entire table gets demoralized to a point where they just scoop mid game. what exactly is happening here? am I using too much goodstuff? am I overestimating the power level of my group?here's the deck for referencehttps://moxfield.com/decks/Li6VPwDF0k-agxB2XafDMg
>>97676221>am I overestimating the power level of my group?Yes
>>97676220Hey if youre dumb enough to try to reanimate creatures with an artifact reanimator thats on you. Not all nuance needs to be stated because people of at least average intelligence can assume it ^.^ all this line of posting does is make you look retarded
>>97676221>am I overestimating the power level of my group?I'd have to see the deck lists of the rest of your pod to say anything absolutely definitive, but sounds like it.
>>97676243Hey i'm not the one that says "literally" incorrectly, say a dumb thing get a dumb thing in response simple as
>>97676228>>97676250I don't have their lists, but their decks have the same price range at least. esper flicker reanimator, selesnya big tokens, selesnya +1 counter tokens, uw tap/stun, golgari +1 counters, golgari reanimator, sauron wraith tribal, just to name a few of their decks. everyone has at least 5 different ones.what do in this situation tho? trying to downgrade the deck, or is the problem just the general style/commander and it will just always be strong?
>>97676221Your playgroup likely runs 0 gravehate and youre abusing this kindness. The deck is respectfully middling. They just need to adapt. Gravehate is tricky to run imo cause it either completely removes a person from the game or does nothing but it is necessary cause reanimation is broken
>>97676282Not only can i alreadt tell that their decks are not consistent enough they also cant deal with your wraths and general gameplanOtoh, you can't hope to beat certain other decks
>>97676267You are a tiktok brained zoomer lmao because again nuance doesnt need to be stated, intelligent actors implicitly understand it (zoomers have trouble with this concept). Congrats on doubling down on being a retard big guy.
>>97676310>i used a word wrong?>just say nuance!
>>97675783looking for lowkey pubstomping bracket 2 list.the faggots in my group love their bracket 2 do-nothing soups but i cant stomach it.need OP list that constantly outvalues opponents and closes with bombsthx bro
>>97676323>quintupling down on being retardedExcept its not wrong, and this is nuance. Youre just not smart enough to parse information.
>>97676331Yes you weren't saying anything true at all zoomerschizo roru rumao
>>97676334>sextupling downEmbarrassing zoomers are such a pathetic generation it is hilarious
>>97676302>0 gravehateyeah, but I feel like it doesn't even matter that much because I will just reanimate from any graveyard>reanimation is brokenthat's likely a big reason, but also a bit sad, because I like the flavor and will probably not be able to keep playing it if my friends are unable to adapt.>>97676309at this point I'm surprised that a non-green 8cmc commander is a treat to any deck
>>97676350sex with tuplings?
>>97676350>infinitytupling downZoomerschizo can't even give correct advice on a children's card game for his life hahaha
>>97676358>decaducacupling downThe advice is correct anyone. Any reanimator commander will do. The onus is on intelligent beings to know they need to be creature reanimators. Why you keep broadcasting the fact that youre a retard i will never understand but ill give you as much rope as you desire
grave hate is the easiest thing to apply to your deck since so many cantrip or do other useful stuff anyway. these days it's also extremely unlikely a deck doesn't use the grave at all
>>97676352Well all good gravehate targets everyone's graveyards at cheap rates. I just think most people dont use it because its "mean" and not many strategies are so easily invalidated.
>>97676374>The advice is correct anyone.Zoomerschizo is an ESL holy fuck hahaha
>>97676395>completely drops the nuance discussionI see you have given up on your retartation because you know im right. That doesnt even make sense as "ESL", its very obvious input error from phoneposting ^.^ your concession has been nooted and accepted.
Huh. Shallow Grave / Corpse Dance are very nice in Cruelclaw. Since they don't target the creature doesn't need to already be in the graveyard. Exhume as well.
>>97676392makes sense. but the reason why my friends don't run it is that they can't find a synergy for it in their decks, not because it's mean, so I guess that's on them.
>>97676450>ESL phoneposter>irrationally angry at zoomersIt all makes sense nowDO NOT REDEEM SAAR
I'm creatively bankrupt so I'm building monoB reanimator/discard.
>>97676134marge always throwing random tiles and quilts into her cards lol, one of the immediately clockable artists
A creature with deathtouch and trample will still trample over a larger creature with indestructible, right?
>>97675583>we're in talks with netflix to make more fantasysloppa that will look like a faggy world of warcraft cutscene where generic characters jump around with 10 foot swords while effortlessly flinging magic at each other in boring weightless cgi fights we've see a hundred times already where no one even gets tired let alone seriously hurt and the whole thing looks like a gayass professional wrestling match and tasteless neckbeards on the internet will declare it da bestest thing ebah and spam it incessantly for a week until the next generic nerdslop drops I can't wait!
>>97676823Yes
The world needs wotc to just make their own anime tcg
>>97676845Good, I was right.
>>97676823>702.2c: Any nonzero amount of combat damage assigned to a creature by a source with deathtouch is considered to be lethal damage for the purposes of determining if a proposed combat damage assignment is valid, regardless of that creature's toughness. See rules 510.1c-d.>702.19b: The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage, any remaining damage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player or planeswalker the creature is attacking. When checking for assigned lethal damage, take into account damage already marked on the creature and damage from other creatures that's being assigned during the same combat damage step, but not any abilities or effects that might change the amount of damage that's actually dealt. The attacking creature's controller need not assign lethal damage to all those blocking creatures but in that case can't assign any damage to the player or planeswalker it's attacking.>702.12b: A permanent with indestructible can't be destroyed. Such permanents aren't destroyed by lethal damage, and they ignore the state-based action that checks for lethal damage (see rule 704.5g).TLDRDeathtouch lets you assign 1 damage as lethal and trample lets you assign the rest to the player. Indestructible then kicks in during the damage resolution step to stop the creature assigned the 1 lethal damage from dying. The rest has already gone through. So yes, death touch+trample goes past an indestructible creature.
>>97676858Wotc cannot because anime is too chud, for example their traps are always referred to as male
Reminder that deathtouch and trample is deemed too complex by wotc to have them both appear on a creature
>>97676887It's actually insane we haven't gotten ONE creature in over 30 years with both. Out of all the disastrously pushed cards they've created, THIS was the one line they're not willing to cross?
>>97676897Yes anon, thoracle is a-ok but a deathtouch trampler is too busted for vintage
>>97676903
>>97676887my favorite way to defeat deathtouch trample
>>97676872Bro the only other anime tcg with any popularity in the west that isnt tied to a previous IP is fucking grand archive and grand archive is the most generic anime thing ever made. I wish Force of Will didnt fucking implode man
>>97676352They just aren't running good cards, but yeah, if you are winning 90% of the games, you are probably pubstomping.
>>97676867Yeah, I knew about how it worked normally, I just didn't know if there was a weird interaction with indestructible since "that damage won't kill it, so trample doesn't work."
>>97676903Thoracle isn't a complex interaction that goes against intuition like deathtouch trample does.
>>97676926can you really call it pubstomping when you are stomping your friends in private?
>>97676963You're still punching down regardless of familiarity
How is deathtouch trample unintuitive?Trample means any excess damage exceeding what needs to kill the blockers is dealt to the playerdeathtouch means you only need to deal 1 damage to kill the blocker so the rest is dealt as damage to the player. I don't see whats hard to get
>>97676959You can't control a player' level of intiition (or intelligence, let's put it that way)But you can control the power level of the cards you release in sets and i'd love to see you argue with a straight face that a deathtouch trampler is complex and strong enough to earn your pack's mythic slot
>>97676983>You denying because you need to act superior.If you were presented with the mechanics you wouldn't assume the 3/3 with dt and trample would hit the 30/30 and still deal 2 damage to the player as a new player and don't pretend otherwise
>>97676988>Mythic quality slots are needed to be very complex to justify their creation What kind of mental retardation is this?What does that have to do with reading the text of thoracle and seeing it's not a complex text box
>>97676992Yes, yes I would. What fucking logic is this? Anyone who thinks that would think that because they dont understand how deathtouch works not because they dont understand deathtouch and trample. This whole convo doesnt even matter because this is the type of thing that after you explain it once to someone they understand the interaction
>>97677023>Yes, yes I would.Stopped reading there. You started with a lie, and the rest of your post is a cope.
>>97677012I was talking in terms of power level but sure if you want to talk about complexity then yes thoracle is deservedly rareNow would you be happy to have a french vanilla deathtouch trampler as your mythic? It's certainly complex enough so wotc should just do it right? Lol
>people wouldnt get this interaction>well I did when I started playing>no you are wrong and biased I wincool
>>97677034I don't care what is in my mythic slot to begin with but sure, depends on how much it costs and what its p/t is. If its a 6+/6+ with nothing else but DT and trample for 5 mana, yeah, that's good enough to be a mythic.
>>97676858They have one, but we don't get it. Can't even get a crossover.
they dont want to make a deathtouch trampler because it effectively reads "this creature cannot be blocked" most of the time and that's a blue effect, which we can't be pie breaking like that.
>>97676981I know what you mean, and it's just a technicality, but to be able to pubstomp, you need to be able to play against people who are new to the game and who don't know you.punching down is an overused and subjective term. if your friends play the game longer and more than you, and/or use bigger budgets for their deck etc, basically things that give them a advantage over you, are you still punching down? or are you actually punching up so hard their jaws shattered, making you look like the bad guy in the process?
>>97677059>If its a 6+/6+ with nothing else but DT and trample for 5 mana, yeah, that's good enough to be a mythic.Thanks for doubling down btw lol
>>97677057Its called the Dunning-Kruger effect and you clearly have it.You can't even write with proper grammar.
>>97677074>InsultConcession accepted. Looks like you've lost another argument. Good thing you use the same images every time you want to be smug so we have a record of all your Ls.
>>97677089>smugHe's the only anon that says smug here consistently, and smug anon has never won an argument itt
I'm of weary of running this card. I'm not running a way to punish other players like a normal group hug, so is it just going to fuck me over? Probably, right?
Does /edhg/ have trouble keeping pace with their pod?I've been making my decks worse and worse and I still keep winning enough I can tell they're frustrated. I've tried building decks with no interaction, decks with terrible 7+ mana cost commanders, decks that have next to no wincons and shit like that. At this point I almost have to just not play cards and let them win like children but that feels condescending. I've tried helping them, even walked them through stuff but it makes them pissier. What do?
>>97677125It's probably going to get your opponents more value than it will you. You'll need fog effects and some sort of way to flip their value in your favor later like insurrection. Depends on pod meta, if there's a lot of combo then you'll need other answers.
>>97676959Deathtouch trample is totally intuitive though
>>97677135>no interactionYou're probably just turboing and they're too stupid to run interaction. But you're stupid if you can't detect this yourself.>decks with terrible 7+ mana cost commandersYou're probably just ramping to it optimally.>decks that have next to no winconsCombat is a wincon, I bet the "next to" is doing heavy lifting here.Not knowing why you're winning is way worse than not knowing why you lose.
>>97677135>Does /edhg/ have trouble keeping pace with their pod?Yes. I'm in a group of 6-8 regular players. (we don't play in massive games, we break into smaller pods and rotate.) Of the group, 3 of us are better deck builders and win a lot.I'm trying to build lower power decks for when I'm playing with the weaker players, but its hard because the 2 other guys just want to play overpowered bullshit, most of which are clearly netdecks that he swears up and down are not.Either way, I'm usually having to play a stronger deck to fight them or I'm losing because they can't be bothered to chill the fuck out.
>>97676916My favorite way.
>>97673532spiderman new york vs tmnt new york vs marvel new york vs future star trek new york
>>97677135you are just an amazing player, anon.what else can be said...
Until we get a white villain who is a black woman, WotC is too woke for its own good
>>97676992If you had a 30/1 with trample and attacked me and I blocked with a 0/5 indestructible creature would you think my indestructible creature blocked 5 damage or absorbed all of it?
Will of Ronald Reagan3WEnchant permanentFlashEnchanted permanent’s triggered and activated abilities have “and you lose 3 life.”
>>97677405>I can make you look like a fool if I entirely flip it to what's actually intuitive to how people understand the mechanics as written.Another Dunning-Kruger dipshit. Thanks for proving my point for me however. Which I'm sure you're not even smart enough to realize you did.
>>97677408Dear christ make it a curse and put it on a landfall player, this sounds incredible
>>97677490Which is why it can't be real, because landfall players are above reproach, clearly.Other than turning all lands into creatures and playing torpor orb or something, there's literally nothing one can do to stop landfall outside of a single card.
>>97677408>>97677490>let them establish their setup>like a dozen+ fuckin landfall permanents who cares>play one of those "destroy nonbasic land, they search for a basic land" cardsgod I wanna see the look on their fucking face
>>97677505I honestly never understood the hate, I've gone against a few landfall decks and they just have the usual fun stuff, nothing backbreaking. And then I built this beautiful bastard and even a budget ass $50 deck goes fucking HAM and dumps 5+ lands every turn. I get the hate, now lmao
>>97677528There's no way to stop it. If you kill their big landfall commander, they'll just play it again because they ramped so hard.If you kill their "play lands from graveyards" or "You can play extra lands every turn" they have about 50 thousand redundancies. Even if you are playing in bracket 4 MLD just helps them since they have their 40th play lands from graveyard card in their hand and will just rebuild faster than you.I don't get why wizard's hasn't made a single card to be used as hate for landfall outside Mother of Machines, and pretty sure that's just incidental and they didn't think of it being the only hard counter to landfall.
>>97677561you can hate landfall with something as simple as rest in peace because landfall is a graveyard deck not a ramp deck
>>97677561Well there's Tunnel Ignus and a bunch of other shit that will burn your oppponents for excessive land drops.
>>97677588I mean, yeah It might slow them down, but they are in at least green and can easily deal with enchantments.>>97677592Yeah. there's that. You're right.
>>97677561>There's no way to stop it. If you kill their big landfall commander, they'll just play it again because they ramped so hardI fucking KNOW I had like 20+ lands out of nowhere, the deck doesn't even run the Cultivate/Rampant Growth cards or any of the "play additional land" cards. Literally zero. Choco himself is the only ramp of the deck
>>97677609landfall is also slower than most other wincons so just combo off on thembut ofc comboing is frowned upon by casuals, hence why landfall is winning more than it should
>>97677631Seen landfall decks pop off turn 3. I wouldn't call that slow.
>>97677471>if I totally misconstrue your example I will look right and you will look wrong!You sure are smug for someone so fucking stupid lmao
>>97677135Dude, I showed up with a literal T1 deck, made only from the cards in pic related and a giant Gahiji, Honored One. Luckily, I got Spawnwraithe turn 3 and enchanted him with Undying Rage turn 4 and made more Spawnwraithes because no one wanted to block with their value pieces.Ended up being the biggest threat on the board, and the Wilhelt player used his counterspell on my Ajani Vengeant because he was scared of my spells. The deck literally runs 0 card draw and 1 ramp, Zhur-Taa Druid.
>>97677643i've seen decks pop off turn 1, your point?
>>97677753Landfall decks are not slow by default at all levels. Should have been pretty obvious.
>>97677762just like lumra is slower than other turbo decks in cedh, so too are landfall decks vs other combo decks in casual, this isn't secret knowledge
I've never actually looked into this, but there's no fucking downsides to this..? Why aren't more people running this shit?
>>97677796Because I need to play UB trash to get its benefit
>>97677796Not a lot of the cards that tempt are that good or trigger multiple times.
>>97677135>Does /edhg/ have trouble keeping pace with their pod?yes.>I've been making my decks worse and worse and I still keep winning enough I can tell they're frustratedyes. my friends like to complain about my most retard budget decks. but recently, one of them told me a story how he visited two other friends for a game of edh, and when he pulled off his 4-piece initiative flicker combo (pretty much the only non-combat wincon in his deck), one of his friends unironically went to the toilet to cry and then had to be consoled by his gf. >What do?battlecruiser deck, without irony. they are slow and heavy; you don't kill people too early, and you get to play your favorite timmy cards.
>>97673532I want to see TMNT and Marvel be ass raped by phrexian eldrazis
>>97677386make black chicks hot again
>>97677970They never were
>>97677970i want bleach UB so i can get hot black chicks + get enchantment equipment like zangetsu and shit
>>97677991Doing so would cause swordbro to come back. No one wants that. Take one for the team.
>>97678001Honestly Swordbro is better than the UBschizo and the fag that always argue with him
>>97678012>Ubschizo>"Everyone but me is casual" cedh larper>everyone is ESL pajeetsAll three might be the same guy, but yeah, swordbro was better than them.
https://moxfield.com/decks/oW7FRfcvhUWIPlIccWbvBgAny suggestions on how to tweak this? Should I get rid of the cards that proliferate? Or should I just cut to the chase and kill myself?
>>97678061you're running tutors in a tribal deck, lean into it more
>>97678110Yeah, I wanted to get that and Kindred Summons when I next get the chance. Have to take the runestone out for that, but that's fine.
>>97678061I suggest throwing in more ways to let your guys get through like Cover of Darkness or maybe even Filth and Urborg.
>>97678216>Cover of DarknessForgot that existed, yeah I'm going to have to pick up one of those too. Thanks anon.
>>97676144>MAGIC HAS THE BEST STORY EVUR AND WE SHOULD EMBRACE IT AND NOT DO UB>No one can even answer this guys fucking question because no one knowslol
>>97676872Weird. The largest anime convention in the west literally has safe spaces in it.
>>97677796Woah nigga you think I'm gonna remember ALL that shit?That's the main reason. No one can remember the whole thing and no one wants to have to google it or carry that thing around
>>97677991What would they even do imo
>>97678270If you wanted to be true to the lore of Bleach, nothing. One can not use another's You could make an asauchi equipment that does something that buffs the legendary creature that it is equipping to and levels up to Shikai and Bankai.I don't know how to mechanically do that, but if you wanted to be true to the lore that's how it would have to work.zaraki is the only person to take a Zanpakutō from another person, but that person was already dead so it turned back into an asauchi
>>97678301Fuck you phone, don't auto correct Zanpakutō to "you."
>>97678260The ring tempts you and other assorted garbage like initiative are un-set tier gimmicks and should be banned in all formats.
>>97678321No
>>97678321Terrible taste. I have a Monarch/Initiative/Dungeon deck and my friends love it
>>97676134>I really liked the dark fantasy/cute countryside contrast in aesthetics of Ulgrotha/Homelands.Same. Everyone clowns on the sets from that period, but it was one of the first sets I played and it's a very cozy aesthetic.
>turn one BoP>turn two Rofellos and Sol Ring>turn three Prime Time + Lightning Greaves and Azusa>turn four Rude Awakening + Finale of Destruction for 14, getting Avenger of Zendikar and then attacking with 12 creature all that have +14/+14 trample and hasteIt's good to get a god hand sometimes and mop the table
>>97678467>>turn two Rofellos
>>97678469Hell yeah. He shouldn't be banned, therefore we play him. Forgot that Finale of Destruction doesn't give trample, but it's a mute point. Table was dead either way.
>>97678467oh no, anyway
>>97678467>Damn I'm good at cheatinglol
>>97678473>Use a bunch of banned cards>Don't even know what your own cards do.That's nice billy, go back to your room and keep eating paste.
>>97678467>>97678473>>97678494
>>97676887Unintuitive. Not complex. There is a difference.
>>97677125This gives you 3 mana. And your opponents 9.
>>97678535It gives your opponents 9 before you even get your 3
Speaking of UnsetsI need to make a sticker deck
>>97678467>rofellos banned>math doesnt add up>prime time banned>avengers plants DO NOT get buffed by finale of devastation>FOD also doesnt give trampleWhat an embarrassing fucking post I weep for your weeny hut Jr pod.
>>97678564No you shouldn't. Same reason why no one should make a saga or proliferate deck.Fun in theory, miserable in execution.
>>97678630>sagaEnchantments in general>proliferateThis is literally just +1 counters
>>97678634>>97678634>>97678634
>>97678630Stickers are just counter decks. Its incredibly easy to pilot and keep track of. Youre just a biased faggooo
>>97678626>avengers plants DO NOT get buffed by finale of devastationof course they do
>>97677561sit your ass down, bracketlet 2learn to run GY hate
>>97678260>Woah nigga you think I'm gonna remember ALL that shit?thats why that token exists? how fucking stupid can you be
