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Name a Capellan 'Mech design you like.Hardmode: without complaining about Capellans
>>97672282Is this the same valk that used to play with Kong in /mwog/ in the vg board over a decade backthe name and the boat girl pfp ring a bell
>>97672340
>>97672340Thunderbolt.
>>97672340I dig the Men Shen.
>>97672340Not like it matters what a mech looks like. One made 1k years ago does the same things as one made during the illclan era.
>>97672340First time I saw the Wraith was on the cover of the Binding Force novel. I've wanted one ever since.
>>97672353probably
>>97672616damn small world
Which faction is Space Iran?
>>97672623I mean probably. Did they screech and sperg out all the time? Valk's bluesky has them just bawling, bawling their eyes out over getting booted from Helldivers 2games for screaming at the players over poor performance.
>>97672695Somerset
>>97672340I like a lot of their post 3060 variants where, without fail, they just slap Stealth Armour onto it, regardless of what it is. Plasma Rifles also appreciated.
>>97672550>Design a bug mech>Don't call it a bug name
>>97672340Cataphract all day every day
>>97672771The strongest of bugs.
>>97672695Red Corsairs
>>97672696It's been over 10 years since I talked to the guy but when someone gets shunned from kong it's for a good reason
>>97672340Ti Ts'ang>>97673134The guy sperg constantly. The funniest part was when his GF left him because he was afraid of commitment.
For me it's the Vindicator.
>>97672335Surprised nobody’s said the bird mech yet, for me specifically the PGI iteration.>Mechbay pluggedVery nice anon.
Anyone going to Adepticon this year?
>>97672340Raven is a good lad and he's wasted on the cappies.
>>97672340I like the Ling Bing Wahoo, it's a cool variation on the Victor design.
>>97673299
>>97672340The Pillager just has this vibe to it that's hard to dislike.
We need more Russian presence in the setting, if CGL's too afraid to use Muslims more
>>97673675Too bad it's THE fluff-breaking backfill mech
>>97673779>Random thing that had the lines blow up and didn't survive the succession wars like most of the 2750 stuff before the rectons.I really don't see the problem, here.
>>97673832>Production Year: 2594>Manufacturer: HildCo Interplanetary>HildCo's Founding Year: 11 January 2770
>>97673862
>>97673885Not him, but that looks like you pulled it from a Handbook and not a Housebook, which would be post-retcon.
>>97673862Could just be a typo. It would hardly be the first time.
>>97674074>Zeus predating the Mackie.hpg
>>97674074The Firestarter P and C are still getting mixed up in some places
Is this enough mechs to start out with? Just got these in an auction.
>>97672340Cataphract. I didn't like them, but honestly I really enjoy the 'modern' versions of them model wise. As far as versions, I only like/use the CTF-3D and the 1X, although I find the 4X to be hilarious. I don't like Vindicators. Not rasis' just don't like 'em. I respect the 'modern' (post xin sheng) designs but I think they look fucking terrible for the most part.
>>97672696>looks"I called some players stupid fucking retards and got kicked. The community here is terrible."Is this a fucking bit this tranny is like 40
How much is BT like?
>>97674487If we're talking USD and CGL plastic, it's like 80-120 USD for the Alpha Strike box for what amounts to a two-player set.
>>97674299Entry point is currently like $60-70 for the A Game of Armored Combat box, which is also upwards of two fully playable armies (depending on what your group actually plays, for larger campaigns it's only one, for the generic 4v4 pickup deathmatch that so many players refuse to move on from, it's at least two. If you're willing to use the cardboard standees, it's more). "Tournament ready" is null set for official stuff because the organizers supply everything including the models. The mechs in the beginner box are all decent to good, but won't stand up to real waacfaggotry.
>>97674550Not sure whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that most of the WAAC mechs are metal only yet
>>97674550Meant for >>97674487
>>97674487Bottom floor is quite low, the A Game of Armored Combat starter box is $60 and gets you enough mechs for two players, base rules, some maps, and punch standees for additional mechs on the cheap. The Alpha Strike starter (the simplified game mode) has more minis, 8 IS mechs and 5 Clan omnimechs, different starter rules, and is $80. From there it genuinely depends on how interested you are in the game and what kind of mechs you want. Force pack boxes range anywhere from like $25-$45 avg, and will have 4-6 mechs depending on which box.So to answer your question: the floor is lower than most games, and even building from there is still usually lower than most other games until you start organizing battalions of mechs send help
>>97674713It's even lower when you realize that the mechs are just cool tokens for a game that plays exactly the same without them.
bueno
>>97674748Those are...surprisingly well done. Never got behind the Azur Lane style 'girl with ship parts strapped to them' thing, but I can't deny, they've paid attention to detail. Even got the Summoner's hip-pod bits.
>>97674847I want to kiss the Summoner's tummy.
>>97674860Seyla, trothkin.
>>97674293They're nice, but unfortunately they aren't canon. Metal minis are no longer legal for play in Battletech. If you want to play you have to buy CGL plastics.
>>97674305>>97674305My outrage depends on circumstances. Were the people in the community in fact being stupid fucking retards? If they were, then there's nothing wrong with calling them that.
>>97674293More than you’ll ever need and pretty coolA bit sad to think of all the work and live that went into them and them just being dumped at auction
>>97674487Entry level is ~$60-80>choose a boxed set Playable is ~$200-230>boxed set, TW or BMM rulebook, map pack, 2x force packs to provide options. With 20 Mech minis, you'll have something like 80-200 actual unit choices available due to variants, and if you're only fielding 4 units at a time, that's years of variance in force comp.Tournament ready is either a null set, or exactly the same as playable, or anywhere between $200-$30,000. I'm in a hotel at Brawl in the Bluegrass right now, and there's a perfectly viable mix of people who are playing into late tournaments with just a few force boxes and a rulebook, and people here with rolling cases of hundreds of metal minis they've bought from IWM or off of dying boomers that would be thousands if purchased retail. "Tournament ready" is just not really a valid description in Battletech, because the amount of money you spend doesn't really have anything to do with being able to enter a tournament, and plenty of tournaments supply the materials anyway.
>>97673253I really need to watch xabungle. Been on my list for years after playing super robot wars alpha gaiden.
>>97672335death to cappieslong live federated sunslong live davion
>>97672335Thank you OP for adding mekbay.com!Also, death to the capellans
>>97674293That's a really good lot.
>>97673832Are there any retcons that were generally good changes?
>>97675257No such thing. Retcons are always bad.
>>97674748Nice haul.
>>97673253Same.
>>97672335Why did Hanse Davion invade the Capellan Confederation instead of the Combine in 3028?
>>97675351Because it would've been a fair fight and only suckers fight those unless they can help it?
>>97675351Because the Davions and Kuritans are the 2 most boring factions and neither are allowed to lose in a way that actually matters.
>>97672340>Hardmode: without complaining about CapellansCapellans have some absolutely great mechs. Probably would say they are second only to Lyran in their roster. It would be easier to say which Capellan mechs I don't like which I am struggling to think of any unless you count variants?
>>97675351To disarm the growing threat of a hasek-davion/liao aliance in the capellan march.
>>97675351Because it was funnier to do it that way at the wedding. He had a whole bit lined up with specially commissioned table plates. Plus he was still kind of pissed with Max personally after the whole doppelganger thing.
>>97675257Not really, because it's not people or events for the most part. It's tech availability, and that fucks with the established events and storytelling to the point they don't make sense anymore.>We MUST have PPC's for our Warhammer line. Yank them from the Marauder if you have to! Savannah ain't gonna help us. They can't even make enough for their Awesomes.>Lol, so anyway, we're sitting specifically on a giant pile of Warhammer model PPC's, and we use them to make downgrades of Thugs, a chassis that should be extinct. No, you can't have any.>At last, with these mothballed Star League designs, we can hit those Fedrats and give them a shock. What the fuck even is that monkey thing you're riding in Michi? Huh, warbook calls it a Kintaro.>Lol, so anyway, the Fedsuns has always made Kintaros for all their armies, but especially the Drac border.> This is what it means to be a merc with connections, guys. Look at her, first Highlander to roll off the assembly lines in over two hundred years. Those fuckers won't even know what it is. 3056 is gonna be a good year.>Lol, so anyway, Liao who was famous for having very little assault and heavy capability, now has Highlanders as their iconic assault in 3025.So on, so forth. Then, you get the especially stupid double-down retcons.>Retcon production of the Guillotine.>Oh, but it's only like a dozen a year. We're not going to do the math on that.>Fans do the math and figure out that more Guillotines are made during the Succession Wars than there were Catapults at the start of the wars, an OOP but decently common mech.>Lol, so anyway, there were a bunch of extra Catapult production runs mentioned by nobody before.
>>97675351Several reasons.1. Max tried to kill him and replace him with a double. Hanse took that personally.2. He treated Duke Sandoval like a Chicken Little when SANDOVAL WAS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING3. Duke Hasek was trying to betray him to take over the Fedsuns and was working with the Caps to help.4. The Dracs were the main front for the Lyrans. They got hit and hard, just not by the Feddies. They lost so much territory, it's what actually precipitated the Rasalhague deal.5. Hanse had an inside man in the Confederation that let him absolutely steamroll them in a way no successor lord would ever be able to do again.
>>97675706That scheme still confuses me. At least Thomas Marik (false) had Thomas Marik (real) feeding him info. I feel like if somebody like Hanse got replaced with a chinese spy, people would be able to notice
>>97675771I mean... they DID notice. That was a thing that did happen. Plus, if I had a nickel for every time Battletech had a storyline involving a Successor Lord or heir having a fake double, I'd have four nickels. Which is not a lot, but super fucking weird that it's happened more than once.
>>97675804>I'd have four nickelsHanse.Tommy.Tommy's cancer kid.?
>>97675842Melissa had one as well, but that was an anti-assassination thing which they did themselves.Unfortunately they didn't count on her own daughter having her killed because of... reasons?
>>97675351caps were an easy target
>>97672550A MERE ILLUSION MY DEAR BOY!!
>>97675736>Catapults ... an OOP but decently common mech.I wouldn't consider pre-retcon Catapult a common mech. It was described as only having a small production run before the factory got nuked, so it should really be at best barely more common than the Grasshopper, a mech so rare that most people had never even heard of it until Comstar included it in their 3025 technical readout. The only reason Catapult seems common is because after the Unseen debacle it became the standard replacement for Archer whenever a videogame needed a heavy LRM mech, so it shows up all the time in fiction despite being vanishingly rare in the lore.That contradiction eventually lead to first the K-series Catapults (the PPC ones) being retconned as being in production by the Dracs during the late SW-era instead of being field-refits of the few Catapults they had managed to salvage, and later retconning the TRO3025 entry to only refer to the original production run, with other companies continuing to produce it under license even after the original factory was nuked (which explains both why the damn thing seems to be everywhere despite supposedly being nearly extinct, and why the design has had some many variations between different models and videogames, i.e. fatapult, comically long legs catapult, with or without missile bay doors, etc.).
>>97675736The Guillotine one is specifically described as being produced "on and off during the centuries" in TRO 3039, so it might be a dozen a year, but they aren't running the line every year.
>>97672335Finished my 1st mini. Wat do?
>>97676025eat it
>>97675954The 12 a year is the Thug from TRO: 3039. p.274
>>97676025Go fast.
>>97675922Yep, good points. Funny thing, I was just rereading the entry on the Catapult in TRO:3025R and the deployment really is just like "Oh, the Lyrans had like 4 in this one unit, period."
>>97676025He is very handsome, can tell you have mini painting experience. Looking forward to seeing more mechs from you anon.
>>97675107>rolling cases of hundreds of metal minis they've bought from IWM or off of dying boomers that would be thousands if purchased retail. "Tournament ready" is just not really a valid description in Battletech, because the amount of money you spend doesn't really have anything to do with being able to enter a tournament, and plenty of tournaments supply the materials anyway.This. I have over a thousand mechs in metal and hundreds in plastic, and it's nothing to do with tournaments. I just like to have the right machines for campaigns and forcebuilding.
>>97675736>>97675922>>97676158>>97676182At the end of the day, those retcons are just justifications so "your guys" can have X or Y mech. Dont pay too much attention to it...
>>97676227Nah man. Fucking with the internal consistency of the universe for availability limits that are not even enforced by the game rules itself is asanine. Taking five King Crabs is bullshit, but if you really want to, nothing is stopping you.Changing the fluff to be like "Well akshually, the King Crab became super common in 3015 after a giant automated factory on a dead world was found to have been churning them out and leaving them in whole warehouses the size of cities." just fucks every cool moment a rare thing shows up in the fiction.Yeah, I know the King Crab is one of the few 2750 machines that hasn't happened to. That's why it makes a good example.
>>97676254The only reason any mech should be rare on the table is because people are ignorant, paypigs and/or unimaginative who don't know about mechs not in a box set, not interested in printing rather than buying, or unable to imagine using a non standard lance.Which is pretty typical in battletech players, when you see something like a Talos, Rampage or Dragoon that has nothing to do with "star league extinct blah blah blah" it's just player perceptions on what models they can get a hold of.
>>97676025>that mold line on his leg
>>97676269Curious. I imagine this is from the last 7 years or so of box sets. Before that, you literally just bought or printed whatever the fuck you wanted. Hunting down certain rare OOP minis was a joy because they never made a bunch, like dropping an old OST-4L on the table.Not just that, proxies in Battletech have been a thing forever. Pennies and shotgun shells was a literal meme for decades about the game. A bunch of times you had to because it took time for the minis to be made. I was just looking at a Nigh Hawk a couple days ago and realized it took them almost ten years from the TRO release to make an official mini for it.
>>97676303>I imagine this is from the last 7 years or so of box setsThat's exactly what it is, a large number of false signaling "nerds" bend over backwards to worship "official" minis coming out of any corporate entity, "if it doesn't have shareholders it ain't shit" is the paypig mentality. Copyright and trademark trump the game table.
>>97676189Thank you>>97676287I tried and tried and couldnt get all the mold lines out
>You know that lore thing where over five hundred years of conflict new variants and chassis are developed in the continually changing landscape of conflict and mechs rise to prominence or shift in role based on an ecosystem of industry and warfare?>Yeah that's fucking shit, I'm going to put whatever I feel like on the table and I'm not even going to learn what it isIf you want to put a Dragoon on the table I'm not going to swat the mini out of your hands, but if we're playing a serious campaign outside of the Amaris Coup/Star League Civil War I want at least the bare minimum excuse for someone to have their hands on a mech that has been obsolete for 245 years before introtech. And, no, the fact that Demi-Precentor Kenyon had one in 3150 doesn't mean there's a magical invisible assembly line out there churning them out year by year.If you really like your mechs, you'll put together forces that can use them one way or another-- whether it's playing them in the appropriate era or explaining where your coelacanth came from.I don't know where this imagined "paypig" and "official" problem is coming from other than possible brainworms.
>>97676615There are Amaris caches, although even the big one that the Brotherhood of Randis found didn't mention a Dragoon.
>>97676615>Demi-Precentor Kenyon had one in 31503142. Stoners got him after that. It was also explained as all the real good stashes discovered by the Explorer Corps were already emptied for the Jihad. So, only the absolute weirdest and bottom of the barrel remained to build the Blessed Order outside the new production and stolen shit they had. God damn, I miss Buhl's Boys.
>>97672340For me it's the Thunder. Now I'm not a fan of the model, but I do like the concept of a fast AC20 hauling mech.
Did Clan Wolverine really make contact with ComStar or is that still a conspiracy theory?
>>97676683It's a constipation theory.
>>97676683It's a fact that in 3072, they had not. They thought the Jag remnants were Wolverines. In 3092, the Blakists bombed the fuck out of an archeological team studying some Minnesota Tribe ruins. That indicates the robes were hunting them down out in the rimward Periphery.But the entire "Blood" diary thing was a fake Chandy Kurita made to get the Bears to go Beartarded on the Blakists when the robes were super close to knocking over the entire Combine.
>>97676615They found it in a hole.In the ground.
>>97672340Yu Huang. Every version of that mech is great. Just a big jumping shithouse of guns and armor.
>>97676698What mech is this?
>>97676615Considering how low the unit count is for Battletech, it's almost more weird to not have anything about your dudes than to write something up about them. Like you don't need to write a full short story or article on them, just doing a paragraph like the Alpha Strike pilot cards is enough.
>>976772183060's Project Phoenix model Crusader.
Damn it looks strong
>>97674748The Battlemaster's boob window kills me. I don't care for animu overmuch, but that's pretty fucking great. I'd have expected her to have bigger tits, but animu I suppose.
>>97677692Meaty
>>97677692I'm gonna slap that pilot in a Victor and make them cry for mercy.
>>97677692Any pilot from Butte Hold should automatically get this ability as standard.
>>97677692Javelin suddenly becoming an OP mech
>>97677851While also piloting a Penetrator.
>>97677894Stats should be doubled for that.
>>97677894>>97677902The real question is if it should automatically crit the rear center torso or legs
>>97677952Legs if its piloted by Quentin Tarantino.
>>97677952Isn't roll of 2 RCT?
>>97678020you still roll the location normally, you just add the TAC on top of it.
>>97677692Note that this rule as written also applies TACs to arms, legs, and the head. All it requires is attacking from the rear direction. It's insanely OP.
>>97677692I would have at least had it roll on the crit chart with a -2 penalty or something.
>>97678144I think it's an auto RCT hit, given 'rolled a 2'
>>97676615>I don't know where this imagined "paypig" and "official" problem is coming fromAnon already spelled it out quite clearly, before CGL started producing miniatures none of this horseshit about >>97676615units being restricted by faction existed, only post-CGL does that become a thing, now a number of assholes are committed to the 40k tier bit that certain factions only get certain mechs.This is because of corporate cultism, either to GW from refugees, or to CGL from virtue signaling newfags.You CHOOSE to present as if you do not understand it, because if you refuse to acknowledge it in argument you can play like it isn't a thing.The irony is that playing dumb actually proves that you are fucking dumb, because it's the only possible chance of an out to defend whatever your asinine position is.
>>97678365Frankly? I can understand and am fine with official Great House forces being restricted to specific units, as well as the Clans. Because if you are building for those, you're building for the Larp. I can also understand it for very famous, big time companies like the Wolf's Dragoons or Kell's Hounds, because again, you're building and painting for the Larp.HOWEVER, minor Periphiary Powers? Vassal families of the Great Houses? Pirates? Small Mercenary Companies? Solaris gladiators? Any of the Your Dudes variations of those? Those go unrestricted. Because any form of Larp going on with those guys is about getting shit cobbled together and making it work. Even uniques aren't off the table if someone can plausibly make a recreation.
Can more social anons give me some ideas of what would be wrong to bring to a pick up game? Or would the catch all be to just ask before hand?
>”How did your merc outfit get that?”>”That’s the type of equipment you would only find employed by house nobles isn’t it?”>……
>>97678418What era is being played? Depending on which one you choose, a mech could be unavailable, a dick move, or underpowered.But if you want a general rule of thumb, when you set your pilot's skills, the numbers should be the same or within 1 of each other. So using 3 as a baseline, stuff like 3/3, 3/4, 2/3 are all fine, but not 3/1 or 5/3. Some groups can be fine with those, I will say, but most tend to stick to that rule of thumb to avoid bullshit.
>>97678365I'm amazed you can write with how poorly you read. This pearl clutching over 'muh factions' would be a substantial concern, except that's not even close to what I said.I even used the Dragoon as a specific example for a reason: It was present almost exclusively during the Amaris Coup, initially on the side of the separatists but then salvaged by SLDF forces. It's literally available to all sides of that conflict as a rare, limited run unit, and then they were scrapped. Kenyon's Dragoon is a WILD throwback and the kind of sick-nasty unique custom shitbox you'd expect from Blakists in exile with whatever designs they can shake out of the seat cushions.You choose to understand any voluntary limitation or preference to align play with the setting's history and logistics as tyrannical list-building restrictions which is not only incorrect but actively retarded. The only limitations that I hold hard and fast to are the logistical ones: mechs not being available before the first units are built and the numbers and distributions being higher in the factions that made them first or prefer them.
>>97678413Except no one is restricted to anything.This. Is. Not. 40k.
>>97678446Youre missing the argument entirely.rior to CGL no one cared AT ALL. You played what you wanted, even "steiner hasmore commandos, kurita has more jenners" wouldve been seen as weirdo extremist autism.
>>97678454Is that so? Tell me how did these force composition stereotypes come to be then?You're saying it just MAGICALLY happened one day in 2007? People woke up one morning and just had this braintumor show up in their frontal lobe that made them imagine some Mickey Rooney japanese caricature saying "YOU NEED HONNORUBU RIGHT MECH. PAINT PANTHER RED LIGHT NOW."?
>>97678443Ilclan is what seems to be the current era everyone’s playing. I usually keep to the mul but I brought an extinct Urbie 60L for mercs but nobody seemed to care. Want to print aerospace and try a more infantry focused force but I don’t want to look like an initiative cheesing asshole or like I’m trying to WAAC cus I want a space A-10.
>>97678472If you're still pretty new to the game and feeling out your local community it's best to stick to mechs and vees. They're beta-testing some BSP Aerospace rules that will also be a little more accessible, so you might be able to strafe some fools sooner rather than later.
>>97678464corpo cultist faggots invaded the game, period.we hve shadowrun groupies who are literal fucking faggots invading just to "take over" another space that wasn't already explicitly and exclusively for faggots, and we later on got recurring waves of assholes fleeing from GW to a game they perceived as being more stable.This shit is how any nerd hobby undergoes drastic perceptual changes through a lack of gatekeeping.
>>97678447>This. Is. Not. 40k.Fuck. You.Everything should be more like 40k. We never would have left if not for GW going insane and pandering to femnoids. 40k makes money, and that makes it good. Battletech should absolutely try to be more like 40k.
>>97678479You are a concern trolling dipshit and when you get bored and move on to fucking with other games in other threads I'll be grateful.Prove me wrong, go touch some grass and play some fucking games.
>>97678472>Ilclan is what seems to be the current era everyone’s playingso you've never met anyone who started playing before you and your (possibly imaginary) group of newfag friends.
>>97678491Oh look, a faggot apologist who will refuse to acknowledge that a literal fucking tranny who admits to having only played 2 games of Battletech ever, under duress, is in charge of marketing Battletech. They are publishing annual Queer themed magazines and they have a writer who is very open about explicitly writing gay shit for the purpose of fagging the game up, yet somehow I am "concern trolling" for pointing out and opposing the invasion of faggots to the game.
>>97678476Sounds good anon, going to keep it traditional and feel it out. Gonna go find the play test stuff they posted too and check it out, remember seeing them posted somewhere a while ago.
>>97678509Yes, you are. They aren't hurting you, and if you have a problem with the game being popular you should kill yourself and remove your retardation from the gene pool. Nobody wants you or anyone like you around. Fuck off and die in Iran, chud.
>>97678483Bait used to be believable.
>>97678514>it isn't happening>Okay it is happening, but it's a good thingIm not surprised, it appears I am arguing with one of the very literal faggots of whom I speak.>Iran for some reasonIs this the pissraeli too?
>>97678447I don't give a shit about 40k.I just don't want people who wank off the Great House and Clan to have nice things.
>>97678447tell that to contrarian anon. I dare you post a list. any list. and retarded faggot will post a years long series of >nuh uh can't use 0/10 shitposts with made up reasons why.
>>97678472use the simple initiative rule then. either all infantry go first, or all infantry go last.
>>97678522you forgot the >ok it is happening but how does that effect you?stage the fucktard did.
>>97678624My argument style assumes intelligence on the part of the audience, you knew what I was referencing and that's good enough for me.Anyone who it is lost on isn't worth the further effort.I noticed how as soon as I called out anon for being the pissraeli that he stopped responding, which shows the whole "no one likes you" bit was purely projection too.
>>97672340Jinggau
>>97678610Summoning
>>97678719Go ahead. Make him really angry, go play a game. I bet that'd really piss him off.
>>97678719Is the Zeus the only one with an upgraded pilot? All the others got the standard 4 skill PV value.
>>97678311The new rules are meant to make floating TACs the default option, so they probably wrote this assuming they're in use.
>>97678454My Uncle's Steiner force made up almost entirely of things he bought brand new from Ral Partha looks like a commercial for Defiance Industries.
>>97678719>pvEww
>>97678719If anything, wouldn't this piss off the guy who gets mad about thematic lists since everything on there is MUL compliant to Ilclan Fedsuns?
Oh yeah. lets go full honour the dragon.MAL-4RHTM-30TWHM-9KDRG-12K>why yes i do love heavy ppc and precision ammo LAC5's
>>97673187Whoever is responsible for this paint scheme, +1 to you sir!Fuckin’hell that looks slick.
Wait a sec.Why is each house (or clan for that matter) having a 'preferred set of mechs' a bad thing? Or for that matter understanding why some mechs are rare in a given time period and therefore you yourdudes.jpg are unlikely to have many?If its a random fuckabout game where there isn't any restrictions then take what you want, who fucking cares? But if you're building a themed force or 'period specific' force (like clan invasion or jihad or whatever) then isn't having a list of gear that your guys (be it mercenary or house or clan unit) unlikely to have far more in character?You can theoretically handwave a couple of rare ones, the houses or anyone else isn't going to say 'That isn't on the list, Drac O. Combineman isn't going to use that Cataphract or whatever' they're just gonna use it, but the DC forces are going to have a bunch that they're far more likely to have in inventory. What am I missing here?
>>97678906You aren't missing anything. Battletech as a future historical has button-counting as a feature. By tradition, Bullshit tokens are awarded at about 1 per company level. That makes things flavorful and fun. You will never see any fight about such things.Occasionally, you will see a troll that says "this super unlikely force is mega compatible with canon", but that is only to bait you. Ignore the trolls and their bridges and riddles.
>>97678906because the factions have been raiding and fighting each other for hundreds of years and every winner never leaves a single scrap of salvage on the field. so everyone has stuff from everyone else.
>>97678906Honestly I think it's just the next in a long line of disingenuous bullshit trying to start arguments in the thread. We've gone through a number of topics that suddenly and magically get a whole bunch of "agreement" within the same hour or two that turns into a shitshow as soon as anyone calls bullshit; usually alleging things about 'resident schizos' or hyphenating ala 'pancake-fag'.Better to just ignore it when the argument becomes clearly circular or too retarded for words.Pic unrelated. I was painting and wanted to post robots. Need the red and black layers, then tone, then white cleanup and finishing.
>>97678943Which is a point I addressed in my post. Drac O. Nissman isn't going to NOT use the Cataphract his unit randomly got but he's far more likely to get assigned the Dragon or whatever other common Combine mech that is common to the DC forces, or even that series of regiments (like the SoL or LoV etc.) So long as you're aware of what should be common with your chosen unit or even faction you should be fine. You can always handwave away a couple of unlikely things as salvage, but generally speaking a DC unit is likely going to be mostly made up of common DC mechs. Some of which they're going to share with other faction common units. >>97678946Fair enough mate. I've noticed that of late that there seems to be at least one dude (I think its two or three) that come here just to start pointless shitfights that I'm really getting fucking sick of. You're cool though, you've posted mechs. I look forward to seeing how they turn out.
>>97678813Initially had a vehicle lance to go with it but was still working out the numbers to keep it under 300PV. Would probably just be better to put those points into the pilot's but the tism demands combined arms.
>>97678856I pity the man with this hang up, nothing more pleasing than a thematic list. Gotta give you dragon weebs credit >>97678872 you guys do make/paint/post some nice lance compositions.>Imagine related: my favorite thematic star
So I get why people hate the Capellans, monarchism is a very liberal and progressive system and the Capellans are pretty anti-liberal, but is it unironic hatred or mostly just memes?
>>97679024That's not where the Capellan hate comes from. Instead, for a long time, people only played in Late Succession - Clan Invasion, sometimes going slightly further on. The current era of the IlClan is the exception to what had been going on historically.And when it comes to Late Succession to Clan Invasion, the Capellans were at their peak of villainy while also eating shit for the FedCom plotline (Unlike the Combine who were also written as evil but didn't eat shit). They were going to be outright deleted in the Clan Invasion before FASA found enough people liked them and so Rassalhauge was created to be the sacrificial nation to the Clans.
>>97679024I think a lot of the actual distaste for them comes from them being heavily flanderized. They were originally sino-soviet authoritarians with multiple sources of inspiration, then they became XIN SHENG CHINA NUMBER WAN CHING CHONG DING DONG and never went back.
>>97675894Just makes me love it even more
>>97679024It's mostly memes. For the bulk of the setting, while the Combine was evil, they did not hold the idiot stick among the Great Houses. That was the Capellans. Not only were they evil, but they were also incompetent, so every time they backstabbed someone or attacked unprovoked they got their teeth kicked in. Then they'd cry woe is us, and immediately do it again. They had a pretty solid period for a while up to and through the Republic, and even tho Daoshen also suffered from Terminal Liao Insanity, he got results too. But with Terminal Liao Insanity comes stupid decisions, and now Liao is paying the price again.Liao players are also usually pretty chill, which is more than can be said about some factions.
>>97676853They will have to defeat Atlas Z to keep them.
>>97679157"BREAST FIRE!" (donks you with an AC/20.)
>>97672340Lu Wei Bing
>>97678509The magazines aren't produced by Catalyst, they're not even sponsored. Those are fan projects that some of CGL's freelancers contribute to.And before you bring up "but they fired Pardoe for writing right-wing content" A) Pardoe was also a freelancer, they just didn't renew his contract B) signs point to that he was fired due to being an asshole, they just couldn't say that C) the conflict with that writer BLP blamed things on was provably not the reason why they didn't renew his contract, and CGL blacklisted that writer as well after they finished publishing what content they had in the pipe from that person D) BPL was not the only right-wing person doing work for CGL, and most of the others if they have left have done so on good terms (such as Brent Evans)CGL isn't corpo, it's a team of like a dozen people that the actual corpos at Topps just let use the BT license.
>>97678998if one doesn't run an order lance of grand dragons at least once, is one really honouring the dragon?
>>97679024its not actually hate for the capellans. its hate for loren coleman, who is an IRL chinese cock worshipping CCP asset. thanks to his delusions with communism and gook dick, the cappellans have now been the super-duper mega faction for LONGER IRL than the davions ever were.so people hate them for the magic plot armour asspulls loren just handwaved into existence so they never got wiped out.
>>97679337>four grand dragonsVery good, very appropriate lance. 10/10 would play against>four hunchback C'sVery illegal, very inappropriate lance. 0/10 would gatekeep out of the hobby
>>97679381go away, contrarian-anon.
>>97678872This is certainly a lance that's going to be giving a whole lot of the Dragon's enemies an expressway ticket to have a drink with their ancestors, that's for sure.
>>97679381go be a gay retard somewhere else
here's a pair of companies. because they're cool.
>>97679394I just like them. the fact we actually got the 9k as a mini is wild. very few variants have new minis.there's thud and jumping thud, crusader and jumping crusader. etc.we got wolfhound and all-torso-lasers-forward wolfhound.What else did we get minis for variant wise?
we also got griffin, griffin 2n, and griffin 3m minis.we also got archer, steiner / wolf archer and kuritan / clan archer minis
>>97679343And there will be no Liao forcepacks for next 2 years at least
>>97679393Has nuln faced the batchal yet? If he has, I will concede. If not, I will continue to press him until he does
>>97679422One of the projected Aces boxes is Liao versus Andurien with the miniatures in the box representing Liao
>>97679404Off the top of my head:>GRF-3M and CRD-5M in the Kell hounds pack>BJ-3, AS7-S, LCT-3M, WSP-3W, Fire Moth D, and Warhawk C in the Alpha Strike box>CPLT-K2K/K4 in the GDL pack>DRG-10K in the Kurita Command pack>Shadow Cat I in the Centauri Lancers pack>AWS-9Q in the Big MAC pack>CGR-3K in Legendary MechWarriors II>GRF-2N/2N2 and Timber Wolf S in Legendary MechWarriors III (in addition to the WHM-9K)>WHM-7S and GHR-5J in the Northwind Highlanders Pack>HCT-7D and ENF-5D in the Hansen's Roughriders pack>Bane 3, Locust IIC 4, Summoner H, Howler 6, Marauder IIC 6, and Rifleman C 2 in the Aces boxThere's undoubtedly more I'm forgetting.
Newfag here. Finished my 2nd mech for my Capellan lance. Question: where do i find the points cost to field basic bitch infantry to run alongside my mechs? Any suggestions on good infantry kits to buy?
>>97679453If you want official plastic, the only ones are for battle armor, specifically elementals and IS standard. Otherwise there are cardboard punchouts for infantry in the Mercenaries boxset IIRC, and Iron Wind Metals has some old sculpts for various odd things (in metal, obviously).For points costs and such, you can use the Master Unit List website or MegaMek.
>>97679437i'm still mad there isn't a CRD-C that's 5/8/5 with clan xlfe, clan lrm20 fists and clan pulse lasers on the wrists, with clan streak 6's in the legs. i want to fist fire two punches into another mech and pull the trigger on those lrms and medium pulse lasers as I punch so all the missiles just fucking gut a sum bitch. AS God intended when the crud was designed.
>>97679470The Lyrans built an all-ClanTech Crusader in the form of the CRD-10S, and its loadout matches the base mini in the Inner Sphere Fire Lance.
>>97679477hmm... a non jumping crud.. but still. a clantech crud is still a clantech crud.
https://mekbay.com/?instance=78da1539-565d-438a-85d3-24e6c61c9a24damn, real monkey paw. its cool as fuck, but it really is a clantech version if the base crud.
any word on if we are getting a LAM pack or not for reals?
>>97679491Yeah, it's a RecGuide variant, and the point of a lot of those is to let autistic WYSIWYG fags like me keep using the models for the base variants.(To be clear, WYSIWYG is a restriction I only impose upon myself, not anyone I'm playing against. I'm not like that other faggot in here.)
>>97679515Randall Bills at PAX Unplugged said there are plans for one down the line, but IIRC there's no ETA on it yet.
>>97679518I too enjoy having wysiwyg minis, that nevertheless have a nice punch for the latest standard of play, Ilclan.
How (mechanically) do mechs DFA infantry or BA Infantry? DFA as standard with +3 to hit additional like a physical attack? Damage in 5pt groupings?
considering getting into the game from MWO, where I used chicken walkers the entire timeis the cicada any good on the tabletop?
>>97679464Okay thank you. The website is a little overwhelming for a newfag
>>97679453If you want to field infantry the easiest way is using the "generic conventional infantry record sheet"(Found in the back of TM and in the free to download online record sheets)in addition to the table on page 213 in TW.The bv for these are only listed correctly in the MUL, as generic conventional infantry is sadly one of the only things megamek does *not* list correctly.
>>97679210>>97679157Obviously it'd be a Hyper Laser on the Atlas Z
>>97674748Where did you get them? Asking for a friend
>>97679648The MUL gives you the BV cost of things as if they were all 4/5 even though certain types of conventional infantry and battle armor default to 4/8
>>97679561The standard cicada and its more basic variants are known as comically oversized and fragile scout mechs, some of the more advanced variants are passable mechs that generally have been transformed into decently survivable long ranged skirmishers.Custom models are relatively rare on TT due to community preference, so you usually aren't going to be able to use that like you would in MWO.
>>97679561Depends on the variant and what you use it for. Introtech all you do is use it to run up to lights and kick the shit out of them. Really just spam kick attacks.
>>97679327>pardoe, for no reason at all>the corporation isn't actually a corporation, it's 12 dudes in a garage!Get fucked, gaslighting bitch. Your inability to actually argue rather than commit fallacies is a concession.
What's stopping someone from making a 105 ton super heavy? It isnt that much of a jump...
>>97679518I too enjoy the wysiwyg grind, but I’m not obsessing over every mech - when there are files available for multiple variants I usually just pick the one I’m most likely to run, and if it’s a mech I really like painting or just an awesome sculpt I might do multiple. I have another War Crow in the works right now for the Prime config as well.
>>97680227fucking do it instead of asking stupid questions.
>>97680303I don't recognize either of these chassis, is this all ilclan shit?
>>97680227Lowest weight in a bracket is generally the worst spot to be
>>97679381If I had a genie in a bottle my first wish would be to explode your balls
>>97680319ilClan shit that’s exclusive to Clan Snow Raven, the War Crow is a 70-ton heavy and the Carrion Crow is a 40-ton medium. Both are packing nearly 100% armor coverage of ferro-lam armor so they tend to be very durable and lean towards energy loadouts with supplemental missiles due to the low critical space available. The Carrion Crow might be my favorite mech in the game, it’s more durable than you’d think, usually carries either a supercharger or a bunch of jump jets so it can get where it wants, and leans into close-range firepower to keep BV costs low and still cut things up. The C config is probably my favorite.
>>97680449>ilclandamn and I like your paint scheme, but I don't think anything else youve posted before is nogames exclusive, all prior was clan invasion compatible, no?
>>97680227Probably because it's a very gamey way to make a superheavy.>>97680349If you're making a 3/5 superheavy, I'd say it's actually one of the best. You would probably want 105 or 110, as it provides the most free weight relative to chassis mass while getting you over the arbitrary superheavy weight minimum and granting you the benefits of being a superheavy.If c-bill cost is a concern, it's also way cheaper. Just going from 105 to 125 makes it almost 50% more expensive.
>>97679861>Custom models are relatively rare on TT due to community preferenceIt's a shame that this has to be the case due to the urge to minmax being a strong as it is. It'd have been awesome for ecryone having some small personalization to their force to reflect their mechwarriors.
>>97679337>>97679345>>97679400>>97679411Healthy dragon posting, very nice. >>97680303Love this, slowly doing the same for the hunchback chassis. I suppose it’s a brain bug that makes us do this but it just feels so good having the model correspond to its variant being used.
>>97678498>>97680454
>>97676615My main problem with someone using a Dragoon post-Amaris isnt so much it being obsolete as, canonically, all surviving chassis where destroyed by the SLDF and the production line smashed and melted down to ensure no more could ever be made. It says something that even during the darkest days of the SSW's there are no examples being found or used, and >>97676638 is a literal one-off example of one unit being found in, IIRC, a small impromptu stash, and it is, or was, the only known surviving example.>>97678365This is quite frankly revisionist horseshit. Even back when I got in in the mid 2000's people where generally expected to bring a faction thematic force. I got told my Merc outfit I had built was using far too many 'goons exclusive mechs for the 3030's, and someone turning up with a Dragon, Panther, Hunchback, and Jenner was expected to be playing a Kuritan force. Or you rolled on faction-appropriate RAT tables to get the random units you would use. Faction flavour has always been strong in Battletech because it is a historical wargame in all ways bar being in the past.Your not Nuln are you, trying to excuse the use of Hunchback C's in 3060?
>>97680454Most of the stuff I have for my Ravens is CI-compatible, so I’m not missing out. Really though the Ravens don’t get to be bigger players until dark age and ilclan anyway, so if I’m going to be playing Ravens it’s probably in an era where they get most of their proprietary mechs.
>>97680508No one had ever cared before CGL, what colors your mechs were painted, as that is the only faction element to miniatures, factions are not represented in the rules at all.
>>97680508>the only knownAnd this is where the exclusivity/extinction position falls apart, the fluff has left more of the universe undescribed than is, specifically so players can plausibly bring anything they want.So even if you subscribe to the resteiction position, all anyone needs say about any mech is "found a stash".
>>97680615Doesn't logically work everything.You're not plausibly finding a lance of screamers "in a stash", first because they only made one and second because the only one they made was destroyed.
>>97680601>laughs in field manual
>>97680601Certain mechs being more or less common in certain states was present in some of the earliest battletech fluff ever.A lot of people cared if you claimed to be using a thematic force despite it having a unit composition that was bizarre and completely out of character for the faction it allegedly belonged to.
>>97680615Players cannot "plausibly bring anything they want" to any game. If it's a beer and chips and dice and fuck around day then that's between the people drinking beer, eating chips, rolling dice and fucking around. On the other hand if it's the year 3028 on a Kuritan backwater fighting over a hydro-electric plant and you tell me the garrison is an order lance of 4 GRF-2N-X Super-Griffins, I'm going to tell you to fuck off.
>>97680508>This is quite frankly revisionist horseshit. Even back when I got in in the mid 2000's people where generally expected to bring a faction thematic force.Well the thread retard thinks the 90s is so long ago it is impossible anyone on the internet could possibly remember it and he can get a free pass on revisionist history. Have fun fighting ignorant spitetards I guess.
>>97678365>None of this shit existed before CGL started producing miniaturesI thought you said this started around 2007? Aside from one box (which was just the same sculpts from the BattleTech Third Edition box) that they reissued a few times over the years, CGL didn't start making miniatures until 2018.Newfag confirmed.
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>>97680511Beta Galaxy's paint scheme is the pure sex
>>976806011) They did. There have been established canon schemes since near enough day 1, and you can find archived content online from the late 90's that give canon schemes to units, and even earlier there are canon schemes mentioned in the sourcebooks.2) Chassis and variants have been faction specific or flavoured since day 1. The Draconis Combine holds the only Dragon factory, House Stiener produces Commando's, Vindicators are a staple Capellan mech produced only by them and are so exclusive they are difficult to find parts for outside of Capellan service. King Crabs are all but extinct prior to the Invasion, and there are something like 6 Spartans not in Comstar/WOB service. This is not "CGL revisionism", its day 1 content. You accuse others of being "40K" but your own claims screech of a 40kiddie timmy that just wants to have his cake and eat it.>>97680615The Dragoons are an extinct chassis, every single one bar the sole surviving example where destroyed.The only Rifleman 3 ever built was wrecked and buried for centuries on Terra until it was recovered by the WOB whom never rebuilt itThe only Super Wasp and Super Griffin chassis ever built where destroyed by the Black Widow Company of Wolfs DragoonsPost 2nd SSW and prior to 3015 the Flea was extinct in the Inner Sphere As >>97680759 said, only one Screamer was ever made and it was subsequently destroyedOnly one Matar was ever made and it collapsed on itself during testingPrior to 3145 only one Hunchback C ever existed as a one off customGuillotines are extinct prior to the Helm memory Core's recoveryYou can count the number of King Crab chassis extant prior to the Invasion period on the fingers of one handThere are 24 Spartans left, 19 of which are in Comstar service and, IIRC, 4 with Snords Irregulars, which leaves 1 unaccounted for.Do you want me to continue?>>97680816And this anon gets it. If you show up to a themed game without a themed force your a Timmy. I dont care what you scream.
>>97680883more than one anon, jackass
>>97680471Minmaxers always ruin shit and it means customs are rarely allowed otherwise you just get endless pulse jumpers. Customs though are fun when you do get people who are willing to design units that for example have got all their weapons rear facing so the game descends into a contest of who can run up to the enemy and moon them the hardest.
>>97680997>They did.Oh yeah? Show me the RULE that says "red and black mechs are kuritans, they get jenners but commandos are verboten. likewise white/blue mechs are steiner and dont get jenners or cataphracts" etc...
>>97681072Custom variants are usually fine in narrative play. In pickup games, customs are generally not acceptable unless it's for goofy bullshit like you say. But ultimately as long as your opponent agrees, you can really do anything.
>>97681072It makes me sad that the prevailing sentiment around customs is that we can’t allow it because people would make mechs that are No Fun Allowed, but there are several mechs like that which have official record sheets. As with just about everything in this game, I wish it was employed with a bit more discretion; if a player has a reputation for spamming iJJ tarcomp pulse mechs, maybe don’t ask him if he wants to do a custom game. The guy running a succ wars lance in ilClan should probably be given permission to flip his Centurion’s rear-facing laser to the front though.
>>97681091Well, for starters; Field Manual Draconis Combine (1996), page 83, page 142, page 147.
>>97681091There is no rule and never has been, not then, not now. People build thematic lists because they are invested in the game and the world, they don't do it because they're obligated to. If you know your opponent is bringing a thematic list and you don't bring one as well, you're not strictly speaking doing anything wrong, but it is kind of a faux pas. That's the way it always has been.
>>97681134Rules anon, RATS are an aid if you dont know what you want.Newfag.
>>97681141>There is no rule and never has beenGood, argument over, fuck off.
>>97681164Sure, just ignore all of the other important information in that statement like a retard faggot.
>>97681156Those are the rules, anon.
>>97681174Rules are all that matters
>>97680303Darn, i actually really like the look of these mech.Good paint
>>97681208>there's no rule that says I can't be an asshole so therefore it's okay and you have to play with me
Leviathans stuff arrived today. Ships are much bigger than expected. The game seems simple.
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>>97680997>”Prior to 3145 only one Hunchback C ever existed as a one off custom”I’m sure nobody here will have an uncharacteristic reaction to this information. >>97681232Show boats? >inb4 “off topic reeeeeeeeeeee”For proxy purposes of course.
>>97681224>excluding people from the table for mech X being painted color Y>calling anyone else "asshole"Kek.
>>97681091Man, are strawmen this basic all it takes? No wonder the trolls never leave.
So...how did the clans react when they found out that Star League wasnt as perfect as they thought? Or was that kind of thing never brought up? I mean, they are in the IS now, they have to have seen records from the time and all that by now.
>>97681517Dezgra lies and slander.
>>97681517They had the records themselves, but most warriors were willfully blind to pre-clan history. And the ugliest parts of clan history. If they had wanted to, they could have learned about the star league and its questionable decisions. Very few of them wanted to.
>>97681406If bootlickers were intelligent they wouldnt be bootlickers
>>97681330Firstly, for all I care you could show up with all different units all painted as all different factions besides the one you're actually playing. But if you agreed to play a thematic game as the Draconis Combine, you should run those units as proxies for units that are on the Kurita MUL for that era, or at least as things that they could reasonably salvage from one of their enemies. And if you agree to keep playing that format with me in the future, maybe you should consider starting to assemble a force of faction-appropriate units in an appropriate color scheme for future use.Secondly>"I went to the wedding wearing a stained t-shirt and ripped jeans and people got mad at me, I can't believe they think I'm the asshole when they're the ones trying to dictate what I can wear"
>>97681686>But if you agreed to play a thematic gameNot the conversation we're having.
>>97681733That is precisely the conversation we're having.
>>97681733>arguing about thematic lists needing codified rules otherwise it doesn't matter>"thats not what were arguing aboutKek
>>97681749No, now youre moving goalposts, you couldve made this claim when confronted with the fact that this is not in the rules, you did not.You are surrendering the argument.
>>97681775I literally said this exact same thing in the exact same post where I said it's not in the rules, just with different words. The only one moving goalposts here is (You).
>>97681733There’s a clear difference between>let’s play a pick-up-game and just blow up mechs>let’s re-create a specific battle with era and faction-appropriate equipment, I will bring my canonically-painted force for this eventThe fact that you can’t seem to tell these situations apart is troubling.
>>97681733Oh, you're just the hunchback guy. Get fucked.
>>97681816Take your schizomeds, pissraeli.
Battletech should have remained on life support. CGL and everything that has come after has been a fucking disaster. While we are on the subject "faction lists" are inherently stupid in BT, ESPECIALLY in the lostech eras. I don't know or care for anything post Jihad so maybe the new lore is different but everyone scavenging anything they can get their hands on and prepping it for service is the default, even post Helm Memory Core. Clans are different but clans have always been for retards so who cares. RATs are just guidlines to what a factions typically fields and not a hard list of the only available units to that faction. As for social niceties unless you are specifically creating a battle one to one with known units on both sides nobody gives a flying fuck about your unit comp, even if its a "thematic" game. No one cares if your commando is painted Kurita colors and if some mouth breather throws a hissy fit all you have to say is "its salvage bro" and TADA its now in line with the lore.
>>97681884The only one who ever said it was a hard rule is you and whoever else was railing against it (maybe just you?). It's a strawman.
>>97681884>if some mouth breather throws a hissy fitLiterally will never happen outside of the btg
>>97681918Most likely.
The only time I ever saw faction actually matter was a campaign where you had to roll for every mech except your commander's, and anything that wasn't on your MUL had like a -1 penalty to the 2d6 roll. There was no impact on anything you salvaged from other players during the campaign, and the target numbers were low enough that lights and mediums were still on the more likely than not side of the bell curve.
>>97681517It would have actually been an interesting storyline if they had to encounter someone from that timeline since cryo pods do exist, hell could have been Kerensky's true chosen heir if they wanted to go down that route albeit a bit cliché. SLDF gunslingers are heads and shoulders above even the elite warriors of the Clans and having to confront someone from that time period that capable who knew that the Star League wasn't all it was cracked up to be but also knew the true ideals it was meant to stand for and fought like an absolute daemon probably would have caused a crisis amongst the Clans hopefully with the Wolves dying as a result. But we're not talking Shakespeare here really are we?
>>97682200The clans encountered the manassas and its crew in 3058, which had been part of the exodus and disappeared early on, effectively being held in stasis due to an unusual misjump.
>>97680508>Your not Nuln are you, trying to excuse the use of Hunchback C's in 3060?Never happened, lying faggot.
>>97681329>”Prior to 3145 only one Hunchback C ever existed as a one off custom”>I’m sure nobody here will have an uncharacteristic reaction to this informationMore correctly, I will have a very characteristic reaction.YES, AND?THE POST WAS 'HERES A COOL LIST'The post was never, no matter how contrarian-anon tries to shitpost, 'here's a 3025 list hurr durr' or any such nonsense he has claimed. For years.
>>97681330Don't tell him that the davions have entire regiments of mechs painted red... because they serve on the draconis march against the DCMS.
>>97681884>Says something fucking retarded>Start an argument>Lose argument>Go back to saying the exact same retarded thing that started the whole ordealYou really are just trolling, huh?
>>97681816No. That would be ME, you faggot contrarian shitposter.And just to make you retard out again.Here's my neat little lance. Perfectly balanced as all things must be.
