Previous: >>97700814"I look like this and smell like this" edition>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed) (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQAre your 2h games long because a lot of things happen or people play at a snail's pace?
>TQ: It is always because of one person "um, um"ing when holding priority. Some people despite playing for years still can't figure out that there are simply points where you have to guess and play the odds and accept the outcomes. Including when knowing that the best option is to simply hold your resources and pass.
>>97706765>Are your 2h games long because a lot of things happen or people play at a snail's pace?Only ever had 2 hour games with new players. One of them was "new" for like 6 months and still took turns longer than the other 3 players at the table combined. Always forgetting triggers and getting confused and basically starting the turn over again
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97706765Played a game with 2 noobs, one of them cast pic related on an empty board and was so confused when i said nothing happens which was embarrassing for him but funny.But jesus christ the other guy missed every trigger possible, had to reread the same cards over and over every single turn as if they changed, turns where he cast 1 spell would still take 10 minutes, he couldnt even do basic math, literally>UHHH I ATTACK WITH 7 GNOMES AND 3 GNOMES SO THATS UHHHHHHH 7+3 DAMAGEAfter a while of me babying him to try to speed things along, whenever it was combat at his turn hed just look at me as if he was asking me to help him resolve his shit, ive legit never met someone so stupid.
>>97707037Btw the second guy was a literal black nigger who proxied his entire deck and yeah he didnt know what any of his cards did beforehand
>>97707037>But jesus christ the other guy missed every trigger possible, had to reread the same cards over and over every single turn as if they changed, turns where he cast 1 spell would still take 10 minutes, he couldnt even do basic math, literallyI know someone who isn't really new anymore and is still like that. I legitimately think he may be borderline retarded
>>97706765they take forever because everyone apparently decided independently that they need to read everything on every card out loud every time it comes up, even when it's been seen before.I don't fault the younger kid for not knowing which cards are past modern all-stars that the over-thirties would know by heart, but when you (different person) cast scourge of the throne for the third time that night, I'd expect that some people might have gotten the idea.
>>97706765>Are your 2h games long because a lot of things happen or people play at a snail's pace?They're long because everyone insists on playing wincon-less bracket-2 garbage, and the second you bring a real win condition you're instantly shitlisted for being "unfun".
Remember when we pointed out Wheel of potential didn't work as intended, some anons got irrationaly angry for some reason, then we were proven objectively right when Wotc errata'd it? Quite funnyhttps://scryfall.com/card/mh3/144/wheel-of-potential
>>97707210>wtf sometimes people just want to fuck around instead of trying to win
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>>97707368What a goofy error. It's noticeable when comparing it to some other energy cards but at a glance I would not have picked up on it.
>>97706765>people play at a snail's pace?Usually its this. People are fucking slow a lot of the time
>TQSlimbo will go ahead and take a 30 minute turn, where he's actually doing game actions that just happen to take that long, but won't have done anything to put himself into a clearly winning position. Grunk will then put down his weed, look at his hand for 7 minute, blinking randomly before he'll play his land drop and does nothing impactfulVuup will then play farewell or some other board wipe followed by rest in peace.That's why my games take forever.
>>97707368>Remember when we pointed out Wheel of potential didn't work as intended, some anons got irrationaly angry for some reason, then we were proven objectively right when Wotc errata'd it? Quite funny>https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/144/wheel-of-potentialNo because this is my first time seeing it
Thoughts on choosing your deck after other players select theirs? Should decks be chosen simultaneously?
>>97707457Vuup is based because realistically speaking a rebuild stage of the game should go really fucking quickly. If people have nothing to do but land pass until someone draws a relevant threat again, then it shouldn't take more than 30 seconds for each turn.
Add the combo or nah?
>>97707490only go for combos if you can tutor them
>>97707490Obscure cards but persist combos are all the same and lame, nah.
>>97706765>Are your 2h games long because a lot of things happen or people play at a snail's pace?Because we play lots of interaction and like Battlecruiser magic. One drops? Never heard of them.
>>97706765>2 hour games>shortwhat do you play, solitaire?no, your wincon will NOT resolveyes, my wincon IS a single 3/3 flyer
>>97707481Sure, but he's still making the game go and hour on average longer.
>>97707368why do you think the average lifetime of a magic player is longer than 1 set in the days of UB?zoomies don't "remember" things either
>>97707577based
>The one guy getting progressively more salty every game in the pod of randos Played 3 games and he was the only one to not win, kwab
Playgroup is finally getting back together bros. I haven't played since November. Putting my decks back together, they're all missing cards and can't remember what I was doing lmao.
>>97707368I don't get it. I don't see the loophole.
>>97707734I think we were all getting a little salty that the one guy kept winning every game and not accurately matching the powerlevel/type of game we wanted to play, but he was pretty obviously quite autistic so we didn't feel strongly enough to confront him about it.
>>97707490>Lesser MasticoreA bit off-topic, but man, is it me or are the Modern Horizons sets a gold mine for building cubes? So many interesting cards that you can build around or that synergize well with neat themes. It's a shame that they tend to be hella powerful sets that push powercreep in constructed formats.
>>97707805as part of you casting it, you declare X. then you may pay X energy. then everyone discards and draws X.the draw part doesn't only happen if you paid the energy.
>>97707822Oh. Wouldn't "If you do" work just as well as errata then?
>Buy an expensive card>It ships with tracking>Tracking stops for a week>Do a lost mail request>They find it>Continues to ship>Reaches the processing center for my state>Leaves state in the other direction
>>97707418a single person would be forgiven for missing it but it's assumed wotc R&D is composed of multiple people which would catch the errorBut for some reason errata has spiked to record highs ever since FIRE design so yeah
>>97707911What card, anon?Also has anyone else ordered cards, they come with your order and someone else's'? >yeah I kept them, it how would they know?
>>97707966A chrome mox
>>97707480Depends. Are you picking to gain an advantage or to match power?
People who hate mill more than other forms of interaction are the way they are because they build worse decks. They've crammed their decks full of a bunch of cards that don't do anything, so the base case for any given card draw is "meh" instead of "this is helpful." This makes mill hurt them more because they know that they might not get to see another "good" card show up in the game if one of them gets milled.
>>97708135i saw that video too, the guy has an annoying style but he's usually correct
>>97708106Like I'm not gonna play my graveyard deck against a dedicated hatebear deck kinda thing.
>That one guy who keeps attacking and using his removal on the player who's most behind instead of even attempting to remove the threat because "don't want to come in last."
>>97707799>not having every single deck of yours saved on moxfield or archideckt.bro come on
>>97708405>"don't want to come in last."Surely people don't actually do this in casual games.
>Attempt to remove the grouphug player while his shields are down>Other players stops me because my "board was scary">Explain to him he could have let me kill the hugger THEN remove my board and he'd have one less opponent and have killed the threats anyway>"Oh, I didn't think of that">Everybody dies to the hugger a few turns later
>>97708430At least he was honest
I don't understand how many lands are actually optimal in bracket 3.Mathtroons are saying that 40 is actually best to reliably hit land 3/4.Others are saying that so many lands would be extremely excessive and you shouldn't even run more than the low 30s.My deck has a low curve and almost no ramp, what should i do? Currently i'm at 38 but it feels super shit if i get flooded, though i would be mega-screwed if i don't play on curve for the first 3-4 turns.
>>97708451Stay around 38 but incorporate cycling lands, dfc lands, value lands etcOr reexamine your min-late game card flow. I tend to prefer more lands with enough big burst draw in the late game to power through any extra lands I may see.
well, encountered a first today>Bumbleflower player>edhrec all good stuff staples>seedborn muse, exploration, counters etc>ask how him what his max hand size is as he passes>none, tries to brush it off, insist after he casts dawns truce>uhhhh 8 now I'll discard down to 7>tell him to discard 2 because with dawns truce, that's 9 cards in his hand>acts indignant when I press him and I have to keep asking because he keeps drawing and not discarding>3 counterspells / orims chant / permission denied me (4 counters) 3 turns in a row>just end up packing up and he grins 'good game man' >'good game MAN' >tranny flips out as I leave
>>97708451>Mathtroons are saying that 40 is actually best to reliably hit land 3/4.love em or hate em mathtroons are correct
>>97708491Reminder that they literally did studies where it was found that trannies disproportionately cheat in online games too.It's just in their nature as spiteful eunuchs
>>97708494Yeah but nobody actually runs 40 lands.I wish one of these guys would math out how much draw you need to offset lower amounts of lands and also they should account for mulligans.
>>97708522So link the studies. We all want to have a good laugh.
>>97708451Kind of depends, I prefer something like 33 lands and 8+ mana rocks to make up the difference.
>>97708522>>97708548I would also like to see these stats, makes so much sense
>>97708451I would run 55 lands just to be safe
The card game Force of Will has resonators, which are functionally equivalent to creatures in MtG. FoW also "rulers," cards that sit outside of the normal play zone but still affect play. Most rulers also have a judgment ability, where they can enter play as a "j-ruler," that functions like a resonator but isn't one. Many cards in FoW that would target a creature target resonators, and therefore can't target a j-ruler. Cards that can, usually use the "j/resonator" shorthand, which means "j-ruler or resonator."Would a similar set of rules hurt or help Commander?
>>97708491If it makes you feel any better, I saw a bumbleflower player at a tournament I was at last week get beat by coinflips and it made him seethe.Coinflip player had Krark's thumb and Okaun, ended getting 22 total coinflip wins then using Chandra's Ignition to win the game while the whole 4 person pod still had >30 health left
Bracket updateAside from bracket numbers, there is now a flurbulent classification, being flurbulent means your deck is tryhard. Ways to be flurbulent:Lowest printing card cost of deck > 500 You have multiple cards in your command zoneA Card in your command zone costs 3 or less, (5 if green), and gives card or mana advantage
>>97708559>source: trust me bro
Why is important that Amber Glenn likes Magic as a woman?I thought women already liked Magic, such as Autumn Burchett?
Got my new commander, what are some good etb creatures i can put in this?
>>97708614>guys, i'm not flurbulent! now let me in your baby pods!!
>>97708656Yeah. And if the their deck is cheap, it won’t have all the value engines needed to be brutal
>>97708665>he can't imagine an aesi deck worth <$500 that will stomp the average casualyou're so stupid it's funny
>>97708614This is a dumb sounding term, who came up with it
>>97708724it's a perfectly cromulent term.
>>97708724a dumb casual ofc
There is NOTHING wrong is EDHRec goodstuff.dek
>>97708753That's kind of the problem with it yeah
>>97708753>Look at top X color pairing>wow, this precon face commander must actually be good, I'll build a 1k good stuff pile with it>actually, this fucking sucks and I wasted money because this face commander actually sucksThere is in fact an issue with people taking it as gospel, especially when idiots mass upload nobos that they don't understand are nobos.
/ourguys/ BL, Ron, and USea
>>9770845128
>>97708753>here’s the optimized as possible version of the deck, but it’s not cedh>no fun cards, just best value per slot>the ‘fun’ is buying chinese counterfeits and playing as competitively as possible against random players!The ‘problem’ is that it just makes more people deck build to win, which is stupid
Guys can you please help me fix up my Edgar some more?It often goes crazy in the early game and can occasionally assemble some bs that pulls out a win, but more often than not it completely runs out of gas after eating some removal or a boardwipe and i just lose.How can i make it more resilient and consistent?(Set to "group by type & tag" maybe)https://moxfield.com/decks/gg_y6kLvlUutWw6IYxd2WA
>>97708617>t. troon
Finally, a shop with sovl
>>97708999That looks very bad tbdesu im sorry
>>97707984Sorry bro, i got it instead of my segovian angel.Hope you enjoy that instead.No refunds
>>97708999Hope they get some sales, but I don't think its worth buying over others just because its not AI.
I figured you lot would know, what was the last secret lair to go out?Someone at my LGS complained all yesterday evening about not getting his waifu D&D stuff. I figured if I was able to tell him some sort of status on things it'd shut him up a bit during tomorrow afternoon's commander time.
>>97709068The dnd ones of shadowheart and gale got pushed back to mid-april apparently.There was some delay in manufacture, they were supposed to start getting sent out next week
>>97709090Was that on wotc's site somewhere? I didn't see it when I searched, but I also didn't try "delays" with secret lairs.
>>97706765>Are your 2h games long because a lot of things happen or people play at a snail's pace?We don't have 2 hour games, but none of us run infinite combos or tutors or anything like that. We play old fashioned combat damage Magic so none of our games just end on the spot out of nowhere
>>97709117My wife got an email about her Gale one Also there is a website that talks about the production of themhttps://secretlair-support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/articles/5149533669652-Secret-Lair-Production-and-Shipping-Status
My wincon is bringing the life points of my opponents to zero.
>>97709137I don't believe you.
>>97709137Combat is not a wincon
I'm conflicted between whether i should permanently bench, or main and heavily invest in my deceased girlfriend's deck.It makes me very sad but it's fun to play and in a way it feels nice to keep a small part of her around that way.
>>97709000Shut the fuck up slop slurper. Looks better than official cards these days
>>97709147This one is okay but the squelcher really is shit.
>>97709147>wont shit to my countryGod damn it
>>97709131>march to junethat's not a helpful range
>>97709163I'd hope they couldn't spray shit that far
>>97708537>run fewer lands because you have more draw>encounter fewer keepable hands because you now start with fewer hands with enough lands to cast those draw spells
>>97708617>>97708522so no link?
>>97707490No
Insanely consistent game winner yet I never see it talked about.
>>97707368As written, it comes off like the design team was obsessed with "you may" to the point where the conversations around this card became "WOULDN'T IT BE FUNNY IF YOU DID THING, BUT THEN DIDN'T DO THING? HOW CRAZY IS THAT GUYS?" Ten fucking years of this stupidity, and the game is selling better than it has ever before. You can't make this shit up.
>>97709210i've been cheesed by this card like once early in my time playing magic and now i will never let a black deck go unblocked
>>97709210>he said, posting a card that says 'five mana, target a creature, do nothing'
>>97708451>playing with brackets37 is the sweet spot regardless
>>97709147>>97708999link to sauce ?
>>97708637I have no clue why but these characters are embedded in my brain from the cartoon. I don't even think they were a regular appearance.
>>97709300Shanconart
>>97709146What's the deck?
What deck in your collection have you not played recently and why?
>>97709408Ironically, my favorite deck, friends just can't keep up with it so I don't play it super often.
>>97709428What kind of deck is it?
>>97709484Its chatterfang
>>97709428>>97709531chatterfang bros... it's not fair it's a bracket 4 deck with just a few cards
> playing 2 headed giant> kraven and mothman vs betor and tidus> remove opponents creatures> mothman proliferates lots of counters on kraven> win twice> betor player says he has to go up in power> busts out a """3""" ulamog the defiler> forces my ally to sac 2/3 lands to swords it on t3> casts it again next turn> my ally says that's not really a 3 is it> ulamog player has mini melty
>>97708537What you are looking for is a hypergeometric calculator. It does take some consideration though. My low curve deck has 28 lands, + troll of khaza dum, sol ring, and malakir rebirth. If I end up with sol ring + troll neither function, but both otherwise function. Which leads to>66.4% to draw two or more 'true' lands in opener, 88.7% with free mull>70.7% counting sol ring and troll, 91.4% with free mullBut my curve is 4 zero drops (counting stuff like simian spirit guide, snuff out), 19 one drops, 16 two drops, 1 four drop, and 12 reanimation targets.>>97709180That line of thought only works if your mana curve is incredibly low, or your draw effects are very cheap. Otherwise you do need to run a decent number of lands.
>>97709576Yeah sure bro
Test
>>97709408it's the deck that I just reworked to make Mr.Orfeo my commander when he was apart of the 99 before.
>>97708614>Let's keep adding bullshit rules until my shitty deck doesn't lose.Fuuuck yooooouuu
>>97708614I find this post shallow and pedantic
>>97709576sounds 3 to me
I'm going to the store anybody want anything?
>Noooo, you can't just play a theft deck! You're going to get your troon on my cards!
>>97709741Correct. In response I leave the table.
Any Landfall experts available? I've built something absurd and too complicated for my feeble mind to grasp and I could use a few pointers or some guidance from someone autistmal.
My store got LOTR packs and MH3 today but recent sets like Edge of Eternities or FF are still unavailable.This company is retarded.
>>97709408My Kyler. Was one of my favorite decks but over the years it really felt like it got harder and harder for it to keep up. Been meaning to take a look at it again soon to try and bring it up to speed and try to play it again.
>>97709068It was this one. I already got it because I am insane.
>>97709754don't need to be an expert to understand landfall combos, shoot
"oh man i cant play my old deck anymore it's just impossible to keep up" what are you people even talking about, all the good accelerants were released before 2010, all the good tutors were printed before 2010.
>>97709741Oh no, they might steal your poxies.
>>97709761More theorycrafting, but alright. I am playing The Necrobloom and I've hit a bottleneck. I can consistently chuck my deck in the graveyard fairly quickly, but I find I run out of gas with gaea's blessing to loop it back. I either run out of mana or cards. I'm at the point where I'm making 30ish 0/1 plants and zombies but without concordant crossroads I just like need to pass. Part of the problem is I have two basics for hermit druid and like I want lots of cards in the yard to do the graveyard schtick like the various flashback spells to make the deck faster and more consistent.Without like Narcomeaba what can I do? It doesnt matter what, but turntimber sower isnt good enough on it's own. I could just pivot to scapeshift instead of hermit druid, and that would let me make the manabase a lot less fiddly and complicated so I could run some higher devotion cards, but it's a lot less explosive. Alternatively, I could also shift to second sunrise and zuran orb with like beseech for gaea's will, but I dont know if that's too slow and even more fiddly.
>>97707490Run combos only if the cards are good enough to be included in the deck independently, unless you are building a dedicated combo deck with the tools to support it. A card has to pull its own weight or it's dead weight when you don't have the other piece.
>>97709741I love facing theft decks because they fucking blow
Clone decks outperform theft decks in literally every way.
>>97709741Problem?
>>97709815You're a troon
>>97709826this is you, chud
>>97709700>>97709720>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IM BEING FORCED BY RULES TO INFORM THE TABLE BEFORE I CAN BE A NIGGER AND PUB STOMP >NO STOP IT MOXFIELD, ARCHIDEKT, STOP AUTOTAGGING MY FLURBENFACTOR AND MY BRACKET, ITS JUST EVERY DUAL LAND, THEY ARENT GAME CHANGERS >ITS A BRACKET TWO DECK BUT IT WINS ON TURN FOUR, PLEASE >PLEEASE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>97709826>*Blightsteels (You)*Everything personnel kid
>>97709835Why should anyone care about your insane partial rules?
>>97709841I WILL MAKE AS MANY STUPID RULES AS I CAN THINK OF NEW RULENO PISSING IN THE SINKYES, TAD TAKES A MASSIVE SHIT AT 6:30 EVERY FRIDAY BEFORE THE EVENT, BUT WE ALL NEED TO HELP FLUSH THAT THING DOWN
I got one of these a few years ago and am looking for a new artifact deck for it. It's coming out of an old sharuum competitive deck. I'd like to avoid equipment voltron but open to about anything else. Is there a new hotness artifact centered deck I should look into? From reading the brackets it would probably be a 4 that I'd like to be around.
>>97709835You can go on about brackets but I still don't use them.
I've noted this mindset that if a deck ever EVER wins super early, then it should be treated as if it always would do that.
>>97709862
If you walk into your LGS and see a troon, your are morally obligated to burn that building down immediately
>>97709198I used this last night, i was getting hated out and about to lose next turn but I just top decked it and even with my shitty board of a few vanilla 2/2s i killed the threat and went from 10 life to 40, game went on for another 5 turns and i lost but it was close
>>97709849Marchesa + Modular. Your little dudes always keep coming back and you snowball all their fucking counters onto each other making some huge ass 100/100 dude very quickly. Then you can give it flying/unblockable/fear/shadow/whatever to one shot anyone on the spot. Or just Chandra's Ignition it for the gg
>>97709897based if true>>97709906incorrect if someone sees you play this commander they will assume you are playing theft.tranny
>>97708405Remind them that if you ain't first, you're last.
>>97709897Or you could just not be a sociopath
>>97709934>if someone sees you play [one of the most obvious grixis commanders for either aggro or creature combo] they will assume you are playing theftI typed this and then checked tags on edhrec to see if I could say 'one of the biggest' and gosh darn it she does have more decks tagged theft than aggro. I still don't get it. the reverse-undying clause I guess.
How do I make Zionist tribal?
>>97709979the creature combo is I steal your creature, attack you, then and sac it
>>97708999It bothers me to no end that they put "spells you control can't be countered" on the left and "this spell can't be countered" on the right
I have pic rel and pulled lake of the dead. Should I make benny or the ghoul?
>>97706765is there a strategic value to having last strike?
>>97710085There's probably some edge cases where it's handy, but it's probably a drawback or irrelevant in most cases.
>>97710085>>97710142there's plenty of effects now that say "whenever one or more creatures you control do combat damage" which last strike would increase your possible trigger total of to three.
Any budget deck ideas? Can be any commander any weird combos just looking for something different.
>>97709408Vampire tribal. Too weak nowadays.
>>97710349Elfball, mono w angels, mono r goblins, basically any tribal supported by standard since you can find some draft chaff to fill your deck
