>>97729203
>TQ
Mk.7 squad, to play SoT/Scouring scenarios

>>97729203
Solar Auxilia with Special Weapons besides volkite, like Plasma and Melta? I wish

>>97729203
>TQ
More plastic tanks.

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>>97729203
Power axes become breaching 4+

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>>97729203
Solar Auxilla, since he had an SA patch on the jacket in the teaser
All the Blood Angel stuff will be for 40k 11th edition

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>>97729264
Say it is Solar Auxilia. What could they actually release? Artillery is there. Infantry is there. Russes are there. Sentinels are there.
>Plastic Aurox
Aaaaah fuuuuuckk I don't care about those. Just let us use Valkyries, Vendettas and Vultures. I don'tcare they're resin or pewter or playdough. I just want better gunships than a literal Arvus Toyota Technical

>>97729203
>TQ
SA Ogryns, Veletaris kit with flamers, SA rapiers, Sicaran variants, other box of myrmidon options, next journal after Mailed Fist which is probably SA focused

>>97729203
>TQ
I'm 100% sure SA will get Ogryns and I'm fairly confident they'll get Rapiers and/or flamer guys too. If they're really lucky they'll also get a flyer.
Marines get the flamer tank from LIgma and maybe Sabres or a Sicaran variant if they're lucky.
Mech get Myrmidon Secutors and a robot.
Dark Mech might get something, I could see them wanting a traitor only allied faction to act as a counterpart to Custodes and they don't seem to know what they're doing with Daemons yet.

>Confirmed Solar Auxilia next week
>Incoming plastic Orgryn and maybe a new fast attack.

SA bros, we are going home.

>>97729326
How many parts do you think the Ogryns will be while sporting no wargear options?

>>97729377
Considering the new Myrmidons, probably like a million. In all honesty the resin kit might still be easier to build.

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>>97729203
>What do you think will be revealed at adepticon?
SoS

>>97729299
Aurox
Carnodons
Thunderbolt
Veletari Vanguard
Ogryns
Rapiers
Super Heavies of various varieties.
There is plenty of room for Aux releases.

>>97729203
My true capabilities

>>97729224
Power axes should be -1I, S:U, AP2

>>97729224
Breaching is a bad rule.

>>97729299
>>Plastic Aurox
>Aaaaah fuuuuuckk I don't care about those.
Speak for yourself, the moment they release it I'm getting at least 3. More if I want to do early crusade homebrew things like AA, tank hunters or artillery.

You'd have thunk they'd've used the conversion units part of the journals to crank out a lot of reasons for people to buy kits that they wouldn't normally buy for their army, but they genuinely seem to have not tried to do that at all and just make journals as barebones and undesirable as possible. I wonder if the studio doesn't like making them and wants an excuse to not do them again or if they just dont give a fuck.

>>97729547
Absolutely not

>>97729547
True. But people aren't ready. They want melee to be safe for terminators for whatever reason. They got 2 wounds and T5 because non-TH attacks shouldn't affect them, fluff says so! Inb4 people respond with "unironically"
>>97729579
Why not, specifically?

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>>97729572
What would be a good way of doing that? Like, what would (You)r journal be like?
This isn't criticism, I'm curious about what things could (or should?) be like

>>97729547
Power weapons* should be one profile at I: U, S: U, AP: 2

Alright Anons, my local scene has too many Traitors and Pragmatic Opportunists.
What Loyalist Legion/Forgeworld/Knight House/Aux Regiment should I rep to break up everything.

>>97729526
Wtf how can axemen be here but not Veletarii vanguard

>>97729621
Unironically Ultramarines. Furthest you can get from the rahh I'm killing my sllies/civilians for the greater good crowd

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>>97729621
Ultramarines. Support them with God-Engines of Legio Praesagius and proud Knights of House Vornherr. Make a Dreadnought to represent Telemechrus, buy Remus Ventanus and play an UTTERLY KINO AS FUCK Betrayal at Calth themed army.

>>97729203
>TQ
don't think we've had any teases that haven't been shown in full at this point; there's maybe some 40k stuff - Guard refresh, Ork refresh definitely, could be some Tyranids coming (or maybe that was a squig on a branch)

dunno? the only Legion stuff that's out of stock on the webstore other than characters and some of the Legion specials (Gorgons, NL Levi), Xiphons, Storm Eagle and Deathstorm pod

Auxilia flamer sections? Lightnings mite b cool

could be a sisters refresh, everything except Jenny is out of stock rn, and they are due new rules

>>97729621
Loyalist Istavann III shattered legions under Saul Tarviz. Fluff it as a what if he survived scenario.

>>97729648
KINO

>>97729618
god they should've moved the hunter and stalker to HH and kept the kits, I miss the corpse missile launcher and AA guns like you would not believe.

>>97729618
SA Chainshroud Veletarii with the flechette pistols from Sicarian Ruststalkers and power swords/charnabal sabres from the Veletari/SA Command sprues and a nice suicidal charge bonus rule, maybe even a special flower precious Prime Advantage for them too

TS Pavoni Tactical Support with Palanite Enforcer grenade launchers that shoot warp bees that are all pissed off because they're warp bees in a can (the free hand is pointing or doing magic or doing a rude gesture)

UM Warden-Overseer with attack doggos from pick a kit my friend pick a kit they're all good dogs

IF or IW Veteran Tacticals with the very first storm bolters (depending on who you think invented them)

WE bolt HSS with chain bayonets and if they charged or you charged them that turn, they replace their attacks with the full heavy bolter, but as a melee profile with Shred

a PA for Traitors that lets them take a captured Sentinel blade instead of other weapons, only sometimes it fucks them over because it's hard to master and probably a bit broken by the time they got it

jetbikes with heavy disintegrators

Reductor Thanatar with a volkite shoulder mount from a deredeo and an "anbaric/torsion claw" from a Leviathan claw with fingers from a Thunderstrike gauntlet

>>97729572
>as barebones and undesirable as possible
If the first version of the legacy pdf or the liber pages being half empty was anything to go by those are the things they are striving for in 3.0 so I'm not surpised at all. They have no idea of what they are doing, they moved so much stuff from libers to pdfs, split off different units when they can buy jump packs, terminator armour, bikes, etc... or even consuls into different units and then did the whole equipment lists things which freed up a lot of space that got filled by nothing. It's like they have a bunch of people going in different directions without talking to each other and to me it seems they are doing journals because they don't know how to do big books anymore. Since july they have released the isstvan one, the skitarii one and the saturnine one, each of which was 48 pages, Chtonia alone was 240.

>>97729621
White Scars

Screencap this: Carnadon tanks for SA.

Alegedly its Ogryns and Vorax

Hey guys, what should I buy next after finishing the astartes and titan part of the Ligma starter? Doing Iron Hands if that matters and I want more titans, knights and super-heavies. Any of the supplements necessary besides the liber strategia?

>>97729618
Fuck I'd go all in on blackshields for a Journal.
Marauder squads are the perfect kitbash fodder. You can give them all sorts of weapons, knives from mk4, chainswords and chain axes from assault marines, shotguns from scouts. Dual wield bolt pistols, give them special weapons from the upgrade kits, etc.

A Reaver Lord option that can sit somewhere between a centurion and a Praetor to represent junior officers that have been hardened by ages of assymetic warfare.

Hell you could even give options for makeshift weapons, like drop pods crammed with explosives because they couldn't get their hands on normal missiles.

Then you can have proper rules for Harr, and Morturg.

And to round it off and sell the book to all the other marine players I'd include rules for space marine fleet officers, who can call down orbital bombardments and help call in aircraft more reliably.

The will never to battle of beta garmon

>>97729547
>>97729620
Power weapons of all kinds should ignore armor completely, like in the good old days.

>>97730168
Might as well just not have saves at all

>>97729203
>TQ:
Legion Primaris Lietenant consul

>>97730168
I need you to understand that change felt to existing players the way that 8 through 11 feel to you, a normal human adult

>>97729203
>What do you think will be revealed at adepticon?
Orgryn
Flamer velataris
Sicaran Punisher
Vorax
Domitar
Sagitarum Guard

>>97729621
Thirding UM.

>>97729547
Low tier weapons should be ap3 at most

>>97730098
source?

>>97730243
plastic veletaris look so dogshit I don't want flame section

>>97730168
agreed

>>97729203
Is GW going to start putting out journals at a speed faster then two old people fucking any time soon?
We have 3, and only 1 legion has speicla saturnine dreads...were the fuck are the rest of them? 8 months in and 3 journals?

>>97730264
His ass.

>>97730313
GW is in full damage control after the launch of 3e and the femstodes crisis.

>>97730316
I mean 3.0 is kinda shit, well some things are shit some things are good.
>Vehicle and blast rules are fucking great.
>Gun down is cool as shit rather then sweeping
Everything else is fucking aweful. Saturnine is turbo homo sex.

>>97729203
oh fuck the resin sicaran punisher is gone

>>97730313
>Is GW going to start putting out journals at a speed faster then two old people fucking any time soon?
My money is on no which is funny because the reason they switched to journals was so they could release supplements faster.

The white scars are overrated cucks

>>97730334
So is the omega and one of the Javelin verients

>>97730337
I mean, 3.0 already got more supplements in less than a year than 2.0 got in three.

>>97730350
How can anyone hate the scars

>>97729203
Looks like it will be Solar Auxilia.
But man, I really want plastic Vorax, Domitar and Arlatax kits.

>>97729927
Yeah I got the feeling that 3.0 was pressured by someone high up in GW to look more like modern 40k, especially with wargear being split into separate units instead of being simple upgrades and the legacy pdf being rushed as fuck.

>>97730413
You know better than to respond to trolls, anon.

>>97730439
You're in the wrong timeline anon. HSS are still one single unit entry, heck sicarans got consolidated into two unit entries rather than four different ones, and the legacies units are entirely in balance with units from the libers - and include new, fun units too. Something GW is nowhere near competent enough to possibly achieve in a week.

>>97730396
>2.0 in 3 years: Cthonia 240 pages, Beta-Garmon 208 pages, Martian Civil War 168 pages, exemplary battles vol 1 112 pages, 10 exemplary battles pdfs
>3.0 in 8 months: Isstvan 5 48 pages, Saturnine 48 pages, Skitarii 48 pages
3.0 had the decency of giving non-legions their rules asap at least but the number of pages their are churning out isn't changing by that much. Also I didn't count legacies because both edition had them.

>>97730473
You said supplements, not page count. Be clear about what your qualifiers are beforehand next time, adding more afterwards makes you look like a woman.

>>97730492
>2.0: 14 supplements, ignoring legacies and WD stuff
>3.0 3 supplements, ignoring legacies and WD stuff(is there anything on WD for 3.0?)
Fixed.

>>97730379
sicarans and javelins then

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>>97730313
maybe you should have paypigged harder if you wanted your system supported amirite lmao yeet

>>97730498
OH yeah uhhh but...but uhhhh 3.0 has more physical BOOKS in a shorter time! HAH GOTTEM!

>>97730521
>maybe you should have paypigged harder
Anon you misunder stand, i want GW to hurry the fuck up so i can pirate them and then print them off for a fraction of the price.

>>97730472
I was talking more about splitting profiles between things like command squads. You got your regular footsloggers, the jump pack version, the cataphractii option, or the tartaros one. All of a sudden, you’ve turned one unit into four separate ones. It’s unnecessary bloat in the style of modern 40k, especially when it applies nearly every character.

>>97730439
Agreed, they even removed RoWs.

>>97730528
>printing out absolute dogwater scans and misaligned captures via phone
both the present and future are grimb and darbk...... how fitting......

>>97730472
There are 40 pages of consuls in the pdf to achieve what 1.0 did in seven just because they couldn't be bothered to let jump packs, bikes and terminator armour remain wargear as an example.

>>97730537
Them killing RoW was fucking retarded

>>97730564
Or even let the consuls remain as extra rules rather than separate units, to add to my own post.

What do with Tac Vets?

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I don’t have much to new add to the 2.0 vs 3.0 discussion but I do have some thoughts.

1.0 to 2.0 lost about 30% of the games flavor, and fucked up the rules in a different way than 1.0. Instead of having Giga Rapist Mech, Aux, and Stodies, they were toned down but the braindead playtesters didn’t fix existing problems. I don’t believe the “we didn’t get enough playtesting” theory as we have that players doc with the third pass of loyalist rules and the one google doc with plenty of changes they were making from one pass to another, the team was just not suited for it.

3.0 lost another 10%, and created additional hurdles to play. Now, with at least 50 games of 3.0 under my belt, I can’t tell you for sure why the detachment system was prioritized over Rites and old Force Org. We we’re definitely breaking that shit at the scale 30k plays at but the baby was thrown out with the bathwater. Despite that? It’s a fun ruleset. I think that there were very few times where I didn’t have fun in 3.0. Balance is better, good enough to get me to start two new armies, but even now I find it annoying to go over the hurdle of Look at Unit > Find Detachment > Add it > Find Unit > Add it > Go through the “truncated” list of sgt/cool guy wargear from Look at Unit > Find it > Add wargear. It’s probably 3.0’s actual biggest fumble and where I lose most of the new people that I try to introduce into the game. Beyond every other issue I think it’s what’s going to be killed or heavily scaled back first when 4.0 drops. Have a photo of a Spider Moirax for reading my blogpost.

>>97730614
4 bolters and 1 plasma cannon
Or
4 volkite chargers and 1 culvern

>>97730679
>I can’t tell you for sure why the detachment system was prioritized over Rites and old Force Org
They make a game different to justify the new edition, no to make it better.

>>97730679
>>97730321
I've heard a lot of what rules good, rules bad. But can you tell me something good about the new detachment system?
I didn't need HQ chaperones to access dedicated transports, now I do.
So, what's something good about the new system? Rites of War died for this?

>>97730764
>Rites of War died for this?
RAW, yes. You can still recreate them sans special rules but it's not the same.

>>97730679
James realized it can only make a balanced game by removing player choice and its entirely the playerbase's fault

>>97730833
Yeah sure. Have you looked at Kill Team?

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>>97730764
If you read my post you’d see I’m not in favor of the new detachment system. What I AM liking, however:

>new restrictions on reactions make them still enjoyable to use but not so abusable melee armies got raped within moments of approach. New ones are also really useful.
>damage values are surprisingly well developed, I feel that there are very few weapons that feel like they don’t punch properly
>terminators being T5 is fucking great, I love the extra pip of usable toughness instead of fuckin… idk sometimes you can reroll blast saves
>Vehicles not popping T1/T2 from luck sucks (I really did enjoy this part of the VDT) but being able to have functions disabled is actually quite fun and at the same time just as serious in terms of affecting your game plan
>statuses are in the same boat, great way to mix up the game without having to invent or flip the weapon balance on its head

There is bad though

>challenges are RETARDED!!! I don’t even Flurry or Finishing Blow anymore, I just withdraw. Waste of time for the same result as the old system
>needlessly nerfing plasma to make room for disintegrators but not actually filling the now empty role of old disintegrators was stupid.
>4 turns works, even for slow armies, but now the slow armies can really only crutch their gameplan on mass statuses. This is not bad, I love the status system, but it is not fair to gimp playstyles like this. This goes for the killing of special ROW rules like deep striking Justaerin.
>why the fuck did melee lose acces to extra attacks on the charge or pistol/melee? Stupid. Never a reason to give a tac sgt melee weapons anymore. Not even a “one day he may get lucky…” it’s just a waste.

>>97730764
>So, what's something good about the new system?
Removing the unequal access to breaking the force org chart created by rite of wars, since that was the reason 70% of them existed. Now every legion doesn't need a special rute of war doesn't need an unbalanced (op or dogshit) rite totaje their elites without troops, it's just baked into the system
The downside is the 30% of rites that WEREN'T just there to let marines skip troop tax, and are inadequately represented in the spare price benefits that were meant to replace them. Every legion needed to start with 3 to fill out the flavor lost with rites and legion rule simplification, with them being the major addition added in each journal for the various subfactions served rather than the main attraction bizarrely being mission packs (which genuinely are good missions, but confusing that that was the priority)

>>97730764
No, list building turned into a fucking game of jenga because of it. God forbid i want to change out a HQ choice of mine with out having to re do the whole fucking list again.

>>97730764
Nothing. I guess I like the fact it's closer to how something like a 30k company would be structured but even then that's a stretch and the old RoWs did a better job at capturing that.

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>>97729203
Outside occasional vidya, I haven't played warhammer since maybe 1997 (when I was a little kid), I was looking to get back into it, then I saw a list of fucking 40+ armies and couldn't believe my eyes. WTF is "mono sisters" and "pathless ynnari" armies? Why are there armies of nothing but imperial fortresses?
I call that max bloat.
And don't get me started on the lore changes; Roboute Guilliman leads the imperium now? WHAT?!
What is with GW's fixation on the ultramarines? Do you know how they came up with the idea of the ultramarines? They looked at a bucket of ultramarine colored paint and said "that sounds cool", nothing in that warrents them being the heroes of the 40k universe.
Also I'm NOT calling them "Aeldari", fuck that, they're ELDAR.

>>97731114
Yeah modern 40k is fucked.
>UM
That's nothing, they literally came up with "marines but better and without any flaws with donut steel weapons and armour". The aeldari ynnari bullshit is also not only in the eldars, even marines, chaos, guard, etc... have gained retarded names for units just so GW can trademark them.
Also this is the horus heresy general, not the 40k one. Welcome.

>>97731114
Oh fuck off, "I haven't played since 1997!! WHY ARE THINGS DIFFERENT NOW!!"
You utter spastic, hang yourself.

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apologize right now

>>97731197
>three years of bitching about lashss brutal (2) reaction spam

I'm sorry you were born anon

>>97731197
I'm sorry that you started playing in 2.0.

>>97731218
brutal is an excellent rule and perfectly emblematic of the sorts of weapons it was appended to

>>97731197
My group does our own 2.5 so I don't have to.

>>97731436
sure they do, macca, sure they do

>>97731439
Macca and outer circle are irrelevant even in the Aussie scene he’s basically ran off most of his own group to begin with

>>97729264
>>97729308
>>97729310
Please God, plastic Veletari Flamers with the welding mask look, not the fucked up bellend veletari we got last time.

>>97730897
>>statuses are in the same boat, great way to mix up the game without having to invent or flip the weapon balance on its head
Meltaguns had a big chance of immobilizing or stunning or damaging a vehicle in some form, not to mention a rather good chance of outright killing it.
Now their chance for VD is the same as any other: 1/6. Except in the final half/third of their range where that's exchanged for damage.

>>97730897
>Never a reason to give a tac sgt melee weapons anymore
This. Sarges became fucking irrelevant unless Prime'd. I wonder if the Duel system would make sense between low level sarges...
But people say it's all Seize vs Finishing? And idk what it'd be like to solve 5 duels in the same turn lmao

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>>97730897
>>needlessly nerfing plasma to make room for disintegrators but not actually filling the now empty role of old disintegrators was stupid.
I hate this because models are survivable enough for the game to have actual AP2 disintegrators, AP2 plasma at least in supercharge, and AP2 axes.
Terminators can take it. Hell, a terminator can tank a NuDisintegrator because it's S4 vs their T5: If Disintegrators were AP2, for every dead terminator there would be 75% chance of disintegrating yourself.

Currently? For every terminator there is 225% chance of self-kill.
That is, you kill on 2/3 * 1/3 * 1/6 = 1/27
Shooter dies on 1/6 * 1/2 = 1/12

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>>97730803
>You can still recreate them sans special rules but it's not the same.
It's alright that making a list is no longer "gotta take a Master of the Legion or else I'm missing out"
It's alright that we have a reason to take a Centurion other than "I couldn't afford putting him through Consul College"
It's alright that different Consuls unlock exclusive Detachments
It's alright that different Legions unlock their own exclusive Detachments

It's not alright that actual Rites of War died for bland shit
It's not alright that you have to take extra HQ to afford what used to be dedicated transports

For real, we could've had both things. What's wrong with having both?

>>97730898
>>97731767

>>97731749
>225% chance

jesus fucking christ son do you even hear yourself? probability doesn't stack, it multiplies

the chance of dying on 1/12 is never more than 1/12 (that's 8.3*%) and the chance of dying twice on 1/12 is 1/144

but please continue making casinos richer with your can't-fail idiot-proof system

>>97731767
I wish people could still play their full tank, full bike,mass dreadnought, full terminator armies without playing an army that auto loses or straight up is impossible to do.

>>97731949
Aight how do I say "the average of this event is 2.25 times bigger than the average of that other event"?

Imagine having a unit with a 2+ save (1/6) and one with a 3+ save (1/3). One has twice as many times the chance of failing their armour save. Thus, 200% chance.

Give it full AP2 coward.

Completely stuck on what to paint my Auxillia. Started painting them as Caliban Jaegers to go with my DA but I kind of want them to be independent of DA stuff. I do like the Extertus Grey on the tanks, might just go metallic black with some blue accents.

>>97732012
When in doubt with solar aux look to Napoleonic era uniforms for inspiration

>>97731977
>full tank
It would be nice to have a Tank Commander HQ. But you could bring troops in transports man come on
>full bike
What about mounted centurions? Can't you bring lots of Land Speeders and lots of fast Multi-meltas?
>full terminators
Aye idk where they'd get antitank from. Tank-hunting vehicles I guess
>mass dreadnought
I guess the War Machines detachment could have had two slots? But mass dread? How do you want that to be viable bro? Gotta score, at the very least.

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>>97732124
>Gotta score, at the very least.
Dreads are actually perfectly fine at scoring honestly, everyone reeing about tactical supremacy clearly is the kind of retard who reeed about heavy support squads being unbeatable monsters last edition because they ALSO crutched on heavy support squads so it became a stalemate matchup. As it turns out, literally any kind of non committal fast assault unit remains the underground king, for all the biker haters out there.

>>97732179
Lotta screeching about seekers too. It is wild that for two editions in a row now, retards are crying and shitting themselves over 1 wound 3+ save models. It's a miracle that most wargamers know how to operate a tape measure, because they sure as hell don't sound smart enough for it.

>>97730321
yeah 3.0 is shit

>>97731218
2.0 had it's problems but you could fix it some houserules.

>>97731436
Curious what rules you tweaked? Can you post it here?

>>97732486
Only if everybody is a poorfag that exclusively plays with the contents of the AOD starter set. 75% of the game and units outside of that were a broken, unplayable mess.

>>97732492
Much better than the slop that is 3.0 with the 40k stats and meme army building.

>>97732524
It even requires the use of dice, just like 40k!

Look, if 40k has no more haters you'll know I'm dead, but some of you fuckers are suffering from 40k derangement syndrome. There's no armour save modifiers, attacks and strength aren't tied to melee weapons rather than models, and all the other actual retarded shit 40k does.
And if the existence of a movement value rustles your jimmies it must come as a shock that 2nd edition 40k had that already. With the addition of more morale stats like willpower and intelligence HH is moving more towards the earliest two editions of 40k if anything.

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Posting the last of my Adepticon prep.

What are you working on Anon?

Everyone’s getting based

Anyone have the price list for the Custodes box yet?

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>>97732699
Master of Descent and his praetorian command.

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>>97732699
And four fuck-ass monopose deliverers

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And a delegatus awaiting transfers.

Post models anon pls

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>>97732734
zaku vexillary on the cusp of initial application of basing shit and weathering tf up

>>97732312
I wouldn't mind if Seekers were support X or Vanguard X. Even Recons (literally Troops) are Support, but not Seekers who care only about their assassination target? It just doesn't track.

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>>97732699
Almost done with all the checkers. After that it's the last few details, some highlights, icons, and the bases.

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Besides Legion, what other novels feature Lucifer Blacks prominently?

>>97732751
>A-are you alrig-
>Nothing is alright! It's ALWRONG!!

>>97732810
would like to imagine that bro's nails are tickling him in all the right places and he's actually having a roundly great time ;w;

>>97732699
seriously spiffy models btw <3
very, very novel take on traitor raven guard

>>97732776
and gorgeous work on that patterning, jesus fuck. dem faturnines with all dat surface area

I think Saturnine terminators sucks balls. They are too big and "they were there all the time" sucks more than size creep. So I decided to 3d print one smaller by 20%. I will use it like in a Cataphractii squad and will ne Cata for all rules prupose. He will just be a reminder of the old crusade days, a terran veteran. As it should always be. Will post pics once I paint it

>>97732954
Terminator armour should always have been an aesthetic choice, just like power armour. None of this own distinct rules bullshit. I will never forgive Bligh for pulling terminator specific rules out of his ass purely to push sales.

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>>97732954
It's funnier that Saturnine went from the contemporary and equivalent of Tartaros and Indomitus to being the first (even before Cataphractii, which was among the first), existing during the Unification Wars, and being also tied to Saturn (but Emperor forbid if the faction based on Saturn gets to use them).

I'm scared to imagine what type of monster they'll make of the remaining terminator design. Probably a contemptor sized super-heavy suit with even more guns.

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>>97733058
>contemporary and equivalent of Tartaros and Indomitus

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>>97733066
Literally been in the Black Books forever.

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>>97733090
Warhammer Community also.

>>97733090
Most does not mean all, ESL-sama

>>97733116
>all three listed under Terminator Armour entry in the rules
>only TDA with different rules was Cataphractii, not mentioned with the other
>"Clearly this means Saturnine was always older than Cataphractii and completely different functionally from the rest."

>>97732985
I like the fact that cata and tart have different rules. I do not like that stupid gw locker atramentar to tart

>>97732734
omg ur white like ur minis peak pottery

>>97732751
Nice freehand but are you gonna wash the recesses?
>>97732805
We do not speak of it. It is forbidden.

>>97733319
Same with my beloved Deathsthroud I converted 1.0 in cata.

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>>97733358
Not having them in the correct style of armour should be a crime punishable by death and I'm glad Bligh paid for his crimes.

>>97733358
Sorry can't do. 40k Deathshroud already wear cata, and GW's enforcement of miniature segregation is absolute.

>>97733352
everything but the spatter and lines of minuscule gibberish are transfers off the berzerker sheet :^3
washed, mexico filter applied and matte varnish done, just letting it all cure a ways before i go at it with some enamel grime to finish him off
he is the last model of my first full squad's worth of twenty tactical marines! very excited.

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woooooo
mind the blue boys and the purely red one, they're from other full groupings to come but get to stand in for the last five of the red and whites here
each was his own art project largely one by one and they're all a little disparate in end finish but more enamel could be slathered atop if i ever felt like it or bases modified without too much difficulty and it's all just moar texture in the blob to me at the end of the day which i can't help but like on its own merit
fucking fugly bastards
eater filth i say!

>>97733734
No offence anon but it looks like a pile of shit. It's impossible to make out much if any of the details, it all just blends together into a homogenous smear of diarrhoea.

>>97733748
pretty glowing review given the nuances from one to another are all that i find to stick out all that hard <3

>>97732124
I agree having a tank HQ or add consul/pretor/centurion to tank would be nice. And you are right that they could always play a mixed army. Does take a way a bit from playing army X to I play a nerfed version of a regular list with 40 tacticals, just like everyone else. Plus the cynic in my thinks that over time a person who just splurged those tacticals in to their bike or tank army, would notice that if they remove more bikes/terminators and add more of those things that are used in every list, which eventualy would just end with them playing the same list as everyone else. And bikes as a core of an army, I think, are unfixable. GW made the game about scoring objectives, contesting etc And army that can't score or contest just makes no sense. And I am telling this before any arguments, for or against, bikes/speeders not being viable.
Contemtpors on the other hand seem to have dodge the bullet a bit. Now I don't think leviathan are that useful and instead of a doredeo you can just take 2xcasterferrum, but contemptors are okey. No longer Gods of War, but with lack of fists and melta they are suprising durable as a distraction carnifex. And of course in some armies they are better then in other armies.

All in all I am just sad for friends who had armies, spend a lot of money and time on them, and now it is just not worth for them to come to the store. And I do not live in a place with 200+ HH players, losing 10 cut our playgroup practicaly in half, and of those that are left 2 are ad mecha players and 1 is custodes. So you know this winter for example a lot of people measured the fun of a trip in minus 20 or lower celcius vs fun playing against the same WE list, and just did not come.

>>97733748
yeah, because as we know from Prussian and British military books, a men 30 min in an engagment on a field where artilery was used, has to have a uniform in perfect white. In reality it one has to admire the dedication of people doing the shoulder pad colours for marines, and that after 2-3 days most of the armour isn't "ceramite" and "cermite paste" coloured.

As a white scar players full Chogorian brotherhood was awesome to see but I rarely ever won. My bikes were mostly sniped off the board or had to be lucky with taking down shit.


I’m sad about it but let’s not say it was a winable list all the time. The actual op row for scars was Sagyar Mazan that people rarely ran

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Night Lordstodes

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zmsin9aw/community-painters-take-on-the-legio-custodes/

>>97734037
Every

Single


Painter


Did

Female

>>97734042
Enslave hobbyists who aren’t chuds

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>>97734037
Hate how the bolters lool like they just strapped a marines bolter to a stick

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>Countless Lotara Sarin simps say she’s the best female in 30k
>Is a retarded Girlboss who also is now a demon engine in 40k
>The humble ilya ravallion

How does Chris Wraight do it

>>97734037
Even with the non-GW paintjobs they just look like stormcasts.

>>97733872
>yeah, because as we know from Prussian and British military books, a men 30 min in an engagment on a field where artilery was used, has to have a uniform in perfect white.
No one said this

>>97734084
Her story in Era of Ruin was genuinely touching. Chris Wraight is the only actually decent writer working for BL.

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>>97734037
Yeah they suck man ignoring the female shit I much prefer the ones we have. These are my shadow keepers for 40k

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>>97734037
The duality of painters

>>97734084
The way both are introduced and hyped is so different

>MEET YEAH UH LOTARA IS HIGHLY RESPECTED BECAUSE SHES A BAD BITCH WHO TAKES NO SHIT FROM MARINES THE WORLD EATERS RESPECT HER
>Angron respects her once and basically ignores her after

>meet Iyla ravallion she is highly respected mortal in the white scars all because she organized their supply lines and inventory management because the scars never bothered or cared to
>She is literally just respected for doing spread sheets this makes her even a top advisor to the khan

>>97734042
I think they feared GW would stop sending them kits if they didn't do at least one woman.

>>97734037
How do they do the marble effects? Dried-out wet wipes or some shit?

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>>97734100
>shadowkeepers
based
have a conversion of mine

>>97734111
This only had the sword and shield btw, likely losing its options

>>97734154
bro finna sell his crew out to the god hand

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Cluld be worse

>>97734176
This is what happens when a faction has nowhere to go but you need to release a new model

>>97734176
>squat custodes
with female custodes I think it's possible

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ooffff

>>97734197
Chinesium.

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>>97734176
never underestimate shortchads

>>97734197
oh no they split it in two holy shit

oof uhhh that's a lot of cement that'll need to be squeezed real hard and pressed out and trimmed back to have any hope of making it seamless, fuck

>>97734176
This is fine maybe don’t crash out over bad pictures and we wouldn’t get the even worse ones

>>97734189
That was a lot of armies in 10th Edition.

>>97734176
Still can't believe this is an actual model that GW released, and not a shooped meme image.

>>97729264
Lol that fat fuck

>>97729620
Unironically this
Only newfags thought that splitting up power weapons was a good idea

>>97733538
very nice post pics when finished pls

>>97734037
this is what happens when you give troons a brush

>>97734084
Wraight can actually write.
ADB is a talentless hack

>>97734111
Well Angelo has won more Slayer Swords than anyone else so.... He is right

>>97733466
As if, I seem to recall deathwing companions have access to tartar and cata terminator marks at least in 2.0

>>97734282
Some ADB books are alright, this forced female character insert in every book is not tho

So are LI and AT any good? Seems like most posts here are only about HH.

>>97734291
They still have legacies rules for that, just like in 2.0

The difference is that deathwing companions don't exist in 40k.

>>97734311
Yeah even if there are only deathwing comp power armoured dudes, so GW is so schizo about not giving deathshroud access.

>>97734111
Wait. So the model doesn't come with a head? if you want an HQ you have to have the slim helmet or the woman face?

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Which marines are wigger coded the most?

>>97734330
WE, they are also THE mongrel legion

>>97734310
AT yes, LI no.

>>97734330
Why do durags on marines actually kinda work

>>97734330
Dark angels, all they do is steal shit, kill their own allies, and demand reparations because WE WUZ FIRST

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>Shield-Captain (Custodian Guard)
>Shield-Captain (Custodian Warden)
>Shield-Captain (Forge World)
>Shield-Captain (Adrasite Spear + Shield)
>Shield-Captain (Paragon Blade + Shield)
>Captain-General (Valdor)

Meanwhile in 40k exclusives™
>Shield-Captain (Terminator)
>Shield-Captain (Jetbike)
>Shield-Captain (Valerian)
>Blade Champion
>Captain-General (Valoris)

>>97734325
Yes.

>>97734325
How can it come with a male head when it's a female body?

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>>97734276
as u wish

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>>97734341
Because it's an arming cap

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>>97734341
Sagyar Mazan white scars are juggalos

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>>97734341

>>97734358
A bit to thick, consider doing a thinner mix next time hard to spot the freehand now.

>>97734341
Because it makes them look like pirates.

>>97734371
>>97734330
These go hard as fuck Ngl…

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>>97734330
luna wolves/soh
exhibit a: cthonian gang culture
exhibit b: horus staging the heresy to create wiggartha

>>97734357
There's 2 chests for that model

>>97734330
"I will not kneel like Angron and his bustas ass niggas."

>>97734391
>horus staging the heresy to create wiggartha

Then who was Yakub in this context?

>>97734340
What's the problem with LI if you don't mind me asking.

>>97734395
so what no man head only troon

>>97734415
Malcador

>>97734415
the faceted platonic essence of himself that the emperor used to create magnus of course

>>97733538
If you use Mexican filter on your minis, they become Mexican
He's now Nacho the world eater

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>>97734425

>Vet HSS squads can take disintegration weapons
Seems great for a dreadwing unit

So, we're back.

>>97734037
Time to add a couple names to my list of people destroying the tabletop community.
It's nice being able to mark down the specific individuals causing the spread of rotting axe wounds in our community.

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This will have to do for the legion banner, only so much room to work with.

>>97734512
I've already build two, one with disintegrator blasters one with heavy disintegrators. Got a whole dreadwing detachment planned out, now only to paint it all...

>>97732776
Sick, good job

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>>97734037
>Sure, we breaks some balls here in this general, but I go way back.
>And in light of recent humiliations, it's an honour to be joined by *Men*.
>And not FAGGOT ASS FEMOIDSTODES COCKSUCKERS! THEY SHOULD FUCKING DIE!!

>>97734426
nice goal post shift, very smooth

>>97734491
While this image is incredibly funny and was absolutely correct at the time it was made, the game got a few big fixes that solved most of those problems

>>97731228
I've been playing GW games since 1994, and 2.0 is objectively superior to 3.0 for the simple reason that its problems were either blown wildly out of proportion by retards and were never really actual problems at all, or were obvious, easily understood, and easily houseruled by everyone who wasn't a whiny nogaem corpofaggot who needs daddy GW to spoonfeed them everything. Meanwhile 3.0's issues are fundamental problems with the core systems that would require a complete ground-up rewrite to address(which is a pointless endeavour since both 1.0 and 2.0 and the old 4th-era 40K fan supplement already exist covering all reasonable and justifiable tastes); short games, progressive scoring, the retarded "status-stacking is better anti-tank than actual anti-tank" situation, the pointless timewaste of the challenge minigame that was a solved problem before the edition even officially released, the complete obliteration of deep strike as a deployment strategy in the game literally about The Guys Who Deep Strike, the needlessly convoluted listbuilding - christ you could hit the character limit for posting here twice and still not describe every problem.

>>97734643
Extremely low quality bait. You've been proven objectively wrong about this for months on end now anon, please get some new material.

Anyone ever paint up/convert some IH to represent Revenants resurrected via the Keys of Hel? I think they're rad as fuck and wanna make a small force of 'em.

>>97734425
Nta but when I read ligma's core rules it was clear that they were rewritten several times by different people over half a decade. There were parts that did nothing and others that contradicted each other. Like 2.0 it tries to reinvent the wheel but does its best to forget how a wheel looked like but 2.0 was an interim edition to ease in the changes of 3.0. It's based off 2nd edition epic which is one of the least played editions and they outright did some things the old developers went out of their way to avoid. You have special rules like anti tank that don't make weapons better against their target (tanks in this case) but worse against other ones (infantry). The worse thing is the the near totality of ligma players are 40k players and not HH players so they just keep asking for things like eldars, orks, tau, nids, etc, go out of their way to avoid reading fluff, keep beating dead horse memes and min maxing. One of the first event had mostly chill lists that didn't go out of their way to break the game and then one of those 40k players played the mathematically best list and was confused why no one else went out of their way to make everyone else miserable. That, for me was the last straw. I didn't mind ligma but 40k players shouldn't have human rights let alone be allowed in hh-adjacent places.

>>97734735
Yeah paint their eye lids in glowing purple for zombie marine feel, some anon did that many moons ago in 1.0

>>97734571
The Captain General of custodes, whatever happened there.

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>>97734643
>>97734789

>>97734037
They need to stop asking the community to paint models for them.
Half of these have fucking terrible colour schemes.

>>97734883
They're getting free gibs for shilling so are obligated to paint them. That doesn't mean they actually want to paint them or care so they just do whatever.

>>97729618
A journal for Knights Errant, also for Blackshield marauder squads and reaver lords, make it about Malcador's lackeys getting ambushed in space and boarded by the nemian reaver I suppose.
For generic legion use I dunno, maybe some weapon options for rapiers, like a flamestorm cannon or melta cutter

>>97729618
>Like, what would (You)r journal be like?
The entire Sister of Silence range

>>97734806
I'm not the other poster, you 40nigger.

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Why did Horus think being nice to him was enough?

>>97735037
What would that even be? There's already Sisters devastator and special weapons, sisters with melee, with melee beasts.
...are there Jetbikes sisters?
>Terminator Sisters
Oh fuck

>>97735077
Based Jaggy

>>97735077
What, you think being mean to him would've done it?
Jaghatai didn't really want anything, outside maybe riding and being chill. You can't really buy the ones who don't want anything.

>>97734930
They could at least give them to 30k community fags. they would at least make some more thematic models.

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>>97734037
Kek. The Fem-shield captain has boob armour if you don't glue on the rope.

>>97735097
I personally think the khan was more pissed at Horus for purposely keep him away from Nikea. Deep down he wanted to side with Horus but he knew shit was too fishy

The emperor never tried to pretend he and Jaghatai got into massive fights over certain things but in the end he sides with a father he never liked against a brother he loved

>>97735077
>Pert and Mortarion desperately wanting khan for the siege when they are given multiple retards and freaks

>>97729618
3.0 is dead to me but if the circumstances were different I'm not sure what I would put into a journal. Spitballing ideas maybe something along the lines of
>SA vs WB
>SA settled down in this world during the crusade (similar to the lord marshal's own) to turn it into a fortress world but by the time of the heresy the weapons stockpiled there were considered obsolete
>the WB want to sacrifice the entire population at the same time as the attack on Ultramar to help bring the ruinstorm and knock out another obstacle towards Terra
>rules for a bunch of aurox chassis vehicles that can also be used by militia and rules for possessed SA
>campaign and missions where the WB have to kill as many units, including civilians, as possible while destroying anti ship weapons and defenses while the SA have to stop them
>update to the daemons pdf to bring in more options
>dual release with ligma where the SA get the vehicles and a specific formation while the WB get a lot of legion specific formations
>more plastic vehicles

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>>97735165
Forgot my pic.

>>97735170
>>97735165
>Carnodon mortar carrier
Gimme. Bigger than a rapier Thudd Gun, I assume

>>97735108
Like who, the cheaters at winters or pardo? 30k has no online community, just 40k fags who do it as a side job

>>97734534
Fucking hell that's great

>>97735122
Damn the NMM on the legs of that thing seems a little rushed

>>97735122
So it is boob plates.
>new model for leader unit
>female only
Tiresome

>>97735122
moobs

Holy fuck anons im building a storm eagle.
FUCK this model Holy fuck this thing is awful.

>>97733734
Listen I’ve watched you go through these guys from the very first model. I admire your dedication to following your artistic impulse, but please hear me when I saw that you’re crossing far across the line from “bespoke” to “nonsensical”

Truly I get it, each eater is an individual, and the unifying theme is the ground that they’re fighting on. I can’t help but feel that if you had made them more uniform in armor mark, it would have better sold the “same but different” you achieve by swapping helmets and weapons and bits like that. As it is, they look way more like a 40k kill team, this doesn’t feel like a heresy army. I say that with no malice, but mixing in heresy era armour marks, 40k chaos kits, one-off 3d prints, and some customized sculpting has completely lost a sense of identity. The only thing unifying about them is the weathering, which ALSO suffers because of the broad and over eccentric spread of models. The red and white scheme is excellent and it’s such a solid ground to start with, but brother you’ve done too much here. Each model looks like you decided to start over with the idea from scratch over and over again but not in a good way. I want better from you, this isn’t a squad, it’s a warband from a time warp and you have better than this in you.

>>97735127
The Khan hated Big E for lying about the warp and chaos. All Emperors lie.

>>97735196
Maybe the old resin krieg heavy one can fit inside but yeah. Main advantage would be making it fast.

>>97735196
>>97735479
I got a huge thudd gun in my pants, wanna see?

Do people use the SA Medusa for marines?

>>97735660
>SA Medusa
wuzzat?

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>>97735679

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>>97735660
Marines have their own medusa.

Anon i had a weird Idea and i wanna know if it would work.

It it possible to bake and then set a resin model that you glued together? So im building a storm eagle, and i had to use clamps to keep some of the parts connected to each other as they dried, but i realized that means there is still stress on that join because of the resin still wanting to retian its original shape. '

Is it possible to bake a model once its been assembled at like 170 for a few minutes to release the tension in the resin parts? In my mind this seems like a possible thing but im not sure.

>>97735693
>>97735698
Ohh funky

>>97735660
Nah i prefer using the SA basilisk because its cheaper and i get board range.
3 basies are annoying for backline campers.

>>97735709
Dead, sadly

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How would (You) represent the Cabal and Perpetuals on the tabletop?

>>97735739
I'd take a big heaping shit and then put a little sign in it.

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>>97735709
I prefer the classic.

>>97735122
Lmao, you will be lead by women and you will like it

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>>97732699
I painted my widgets for adepticon, now I just need to print my lists and get packed.

Show me your bases. I want to make mine more interesting with my next project beyond mud and skulls.

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>>97735902
Have you considered mud and grass?

>>97735722
Not in china it isn't.

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>>97735902
Not finished yet but you get the idea

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I hate goonhammer like you wouldn't believe

>>97735927
I hate unhelmeted heads

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>>97735927
Bro is that where the painter for the old sisters went

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>>97735927

>>97735122
bruh got gyno

>>97735984
Very progressive of GW to not just include women but drag queens too

>>97735895
I assume we’re both going to titanicus singles, is it required to have your terminals and your list printed out? I’ve been using titan tracker pretty heavily and I don’t want to commit a social faux pas by not having what’s expected.

>>97736162
The full length rules went up on their FB page and it didn't require hard copies but I'm bringing it because I like hard copies. I'm actually bringing both in case there's space issues but I like ther terminals.

>>97736162
>>97736199
Whoops, lists and stratagem hands should be available after all, though you could fork over your phone screen without trouble.

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>>97736240
Fuck's saké

>>97735698
>they put the air filters on this one
>they ignored them on the russ
This makes me REEE

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>>97734197
>the aquilla split in half
It's so ludo

Will you chuddies be fist fighting and gatekeeping any Femstodes fans

>>97736507
Even worse that you can't build the Basilisk/Medusa (completely) without it to be in line with the other tanks. Not without having to do some work to cover the remaining mounting points and maybe spruce up the blank engine deck. I guess one could argue the smaller engine deck of the Basilisk/Medusa required the filters to be mounted externally while on the Russ they could be places internally. Same way the Malcador doesn't have them.

>>97736587
>He thinks there are actually going to be femstodes fan

>>97736587
4channers are too scared to talk to black people these niggas couldn’t gatekeep a child

>>97736587
>Implying the stench of femstodes fans wouldn't get the banned from clubs and lgs.

>>97736587
Go back to /40kg/

>>97736598
But anon...you're chatting with one right now

>>97736199
>>97736240
>>97736252
Thanks for getting back to me, guess I’ll write down my stratagem hand and my list so I can have a hard copy to show my opponent. I’m bringing a real basic double warlord double reaver list. Hope to see you there!

>>97736664
Go to sleep niglet

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>>97735428
>this isn’t a squad, it’s a warband
fuck yeah
wouldn't and couldn't have it any other way. warriors as opposed to soldiers and all that
and i frankly love astartes plate as a whole so much that to not field three or four or five iterations of it all alongside one another in a single cell of troops and lending each other the texture of their counterparts with the sum disparity and range of appearance would have felt like a woefully missed opportunity
each is his own animal and they're assembled together to form a motley hunting pack

>>97735415
Not touching that thing until it gets a plastic kit. Heard too many horror stories about building a storm eagle.

>>97736721
I can confrim the stories anon it fucking sucks, I have phoned it in, im literally just going to build it, base it black, and then not give a shit about it, i just wanna use it from my list but this fucking thing suck, its not fun, the second it comes to plasic, im "crash landing" this thing from my balcony.

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>>97735415
>storm eagle
>>97736721
>>97736728
>It's not even level in its promo art

>>97736728
I found the resin thallax to be so miserable I threw them out without even priming them. Just such a bad experience I didn't even want them to pollute my shelf

>>97736763
It's trying to sneak behind enemy lines.

>>97736763
Its really bad
the gaps on that bitch are fucking insane, like, im very very close to giving up on this build Im going to honestly use it for a single fucking game, and thats all it needs to hold together for.

>>97736763
God, Imagine instead of making Saturnie shit no one asked for, the box set had a plastic Fire Raptor/Storm Eagle in it.

>>97736717
I’m sad that’s all you took from that.

>>97736783
Man i was thinking about it too. they could have made a box set of it.
Big box for like 160
Lets you build either the Storm eagle gun ship or the storm eagle transport(Lets you carry a single rhino sized vehicle)
Then a like 30 dollar upgrade spru to make a fire raptor. Shit would have sold like hot cakes.

>>97736783
That's probably too big for a starter set.

>>97736783
>mk2 + fire raptor
I wish.

>>97736783
>Box contains 20 mk2 and a fire raptor
>everyone complains they should have removed the fire raptor and put more terminators in

>>97736810
>nobody uses flyers why couldn't they put in a kratos!

Should have been a box called drop assault vanguard with 30 mk2 assault marines and 2 storm eagle just so GW can rub it in that RoWs aren't a thing anymore.

>>97736792
>>97736810
They put a Spartan in the AoD box.
Just take the Saturnine Box;
>replace the Saturnine Terminators with Tartaros Terminators
>replace the praetor in Saturnine armour with a new Tartaros praetor
>replace 10 Mk3 marines, the dreadnought and the gun with a new Fire Raptor/Storm Eagle kit.
>Rename the box to Massacre with EC vs IH (or keep Sallies vs IW)
And the box would sell out with in minutes.
And while I'm dreaming, make 3.0 an actually good edition

>>97736785
i love supeisumarines and heresy models in general and uniform formations and visual coherence just fine but the angle i've adopted is a chaotic bloodthirsty mishmash mob of arch-criminals in-situ clad with aspects of necessity and individual preference alike, in love with what they've become and in a state that would be all too ready to giddily fall in line with the teeming despoiler tsunamis that would eventually form in the bounds of the palace
this is my vision. to each their own. it's not an indictment of any other set of preferences, hopefully more just a foil.

>>97736851
>10 assault marines
>jump character
>deathstorm drop pod
>10 destroyers
>moritat
>termite
>box is called As Above, So Below

Only the biggest heresy grogs hate saturnine and still cry over it. It’s always tryhards who hate rogue trader shit too everytime

>>97736885
(You)

>>97736885
I hate saturnine because I'm a scalefag, you oaf.

>>97732491
Sorry, didn't see this until now. I could, but I was using gofile, Which I guess is bad now. So I dunno what 3rd party dropbox style shit is good to use now.
Also, these are the worst captchas this site has ever had. Holy fuck.

>>97736954
What happened to gofile?

>>97736950
nta but what does that mean

>>97737194
bro likes anthro lizard boys ofc
or has a stick up his butt about all his marines being the exact same height

>>97736950
>scalefag
You mean sizefag, if you were a scale fag you wouldn't care about saturnine because they're at the only scale they've ever been

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>>97737222
Nta but retroactively that's not the case.

>>97737222
The new saturnine do not even scale with models it was released with. Unless you want to tell me the marine is in a fetal position inside the torso.

>>97737259
i think that gw's saturnines can potentially afford arms extending out into said limbs a ways but the marines inside are all definitely interchangeable bionic leg enjoyers if not full-on sutured-in fucknuggets as the shape allows nothing else with any degree of sensibility

The Horus Heresy was the best time to be alive for the average human Post-Age of Strife.

The novels have implied that the Horus Heresy saw soldiers die on the scale of trillions, in a conflict of a decade or so. That's the most peaceful period of known galactic history. That's at the very least an order of magnitude less slaughter than the average year of the Great Crusade (which was the most well-oiled genocide machine in human hisory), and it's certainly more peaceful than any random year from the 40K era.

It turns out that if you interrupt the bureaucracy and logistics of an ultra-fascist galactic genocide project, and have all the transhuman space monsters focus on killing one another, you give the common man of the Galaxy a real breather.

The Horus Heresy was certainly the worst period of Imperial history for Astartes and Primarchs and Custodes. It was also a terrible period for any Terran aristocrat, any character with a name, or any world that book-readers have heard of. For an average "normal civilian", though, it was an era of unprecedented peace, prosperity, and relatively loose leashes. Most humans worlds experienced nothing happening at all, most actually prospered, which is as good as it gets

>>97736985
Something about date theft or somesuch. I dunno, people were talking about it in another thread.

>>97737299
Date theft? Then I think we're on the clear.

>>97737304
Yeah, I was only vaguely paying attention. Whatever, I've been using it for 8+ months. Enter at ye own risk I guess.

https://gofile.io/d/d9IWXZ

>>97737281
Which makes you wonder if the exo-suits they originated from also require the operator to be nuggeted (which shouldn't be the case, considering all the Votann exo-suits aren't like that and GW has made a connection between the two) or if Imperium looked at the exo-suits, thought "this would be so much better with a marine nugget inside of it" and a century later came to the conclusion that making armour back into a wearable suit would be better.

>>97737313
>Imperium looked at the exo-suits,
Mechanicum* looked at the exo suits, this was made by the phobos tech clades which were the guys too freaky for even mars, so yeah it matches they were thinking yeah fuck the flesh

>>97737289
m32 after the Scouring but before The Beast was actually an era of unparalleled peace, to the point that space marines seemed obsolete.

>>97737335
>Mechanicum was providing Saturnine armour to the Emperor before the Treaty of Olympus

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How do the Journal Tactica compare to the Arcane Journals? While there have been a couple whiffs, overall the AJ system in TOW has been quite a fun way to introduce new ways to play armies and allow for new kitbashing opportunities. As the JTs doing the same for HH?

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>>97737370
we aren't getting any legion journals because post-3.0 sales failed to meet projections
all our collective fault