Excertus Imperialis Drip EditionPrevious Heresy: >>97729203>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/qdYzem>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread Question:You can create a new vehicle for your army list, the caviat is it has to use the same chassis as a current vehicle (like a Rhino/Malcador/etc) to make it cheaper to make molds for. What is it and why do you choose it.
>>97738648>Excertus Imperialisthats a vostroyan retard they didn't fight during the heresy thats their entire thing
>>9773864832mm scale ascalonfucking gigantic flamers are kino as balls>>97738659really exquisite b8, hats off to you
>>97738648>You can create a new vehicle for your army list, the caviat is it has to use the same chassis as a current vehicle (like a Rhino/Malcador/etc) to make it cheaper to make molds for. What is it and why do you choose it.Sicaran Advancer, uses the Arquitor/reversed Sicaran chassis but replaces the gun with a troop compartment + ramp and sponsons with doors, only weapons are up to two choices from the normal pintle weapons list and the HKM. Transport capacity is 22.Why did I choose it? Because I want Rhino Advancers but to make a 22 capacity Rhino you'd probably have to stretch the chassis enough that it's going to loose the whole "shares most of the mold with the base vehicle" thing. Plus Sicarans are already scaled up Predators so using their chassis for what is to the Rhino as the Spartan is to the Land Raider makes sense to me.Also I like the Arquitor's look
>>97738648>You can create a new vehicle for your army list, the caviat is it has to use the same chassis as a current vehicle (like a Rhino/Malcador/etc) to make it cheaper to make molds for. What is it and why do you choose it.Kratos "Thanatos" variant. Replaces the turret with a giant autocannon battery for AA firepower. Basically like that mockup people did with the araknae turret on the kratos. Can also be built with heavy lascannons instead for an extra cost of upgrade). Or a missile launcher.
>>97738648>TQTalons of the Emperor Grav-Rhinos.They're cool and should already be in the game.
>>97738648>TQLegion Leman Russes with sponsons.
>>97738707>Not calling it the Araktos
>>97738648Sicaran with the deredeo lascannons on top.
>>97738740Honestly I just wish there was a battle cannon Sicaran option. The hull appeals to me but all the turrets turn me off.
>>97738742Battle cannons are ugly. But I wouldnt mind a leman russ annihilator looking thing.
>>97738746If it just had a single gun that didn't look stupid (like the Punisher) I wouldn't mind
>>97738648>TQLegio techmarine rhino. >Can repair vehicles>big claw to defend itself in melee>blinding spotlight >DT for techmarines with a transport capacity of 5>can buy a grenade launcher to replace one of the boltersKinda stolen from RT but I was printing a WE tank company for epic and it seemed to me something to mantain and repair those vehicles was missing.
>>97738746>Big fucking cannon>UglyWhat are you, gay?
>>97738782Its fat and ugly. Literally every other russ turret looks better than that hideous battle cannon. If you want to do a "big gun" right do what the kratos did.
>>97738785I agree, I prefer the Vanquisher it reminds me of my long penis.
>>97738776What's old is new again.
The kratos needs a giant plasma turret like the sicaran (it actually needs a variant of EVERY sicaran turret) and the Sicaran needs a volkite and melta turret like the kratos.
>>97738785>Pic related>UglyWhat are you, gay?
>>97738795>Astartes in the turret operating it like some demented claw machine at the arcade
>>97738801I dont know what that is. But thats not a battle cannon. THIS is a battle cannon. And it looks like something out of metal slug. Its ugly. >>97738807"is magnus even in this thing?"
>>97738795That's exactly the pic I used as a reference and the placeholder in the collage I was using to keep track of what I painted. It helps that being a SW one it has some grey-blue that makes the pic fit into the sea of WE vehicles.
>>97738810That's literally the battle cannon on the new SA Russ. And before you sperg out about 'muh nuslop', the old FW Russes had the same (better) battle cannon look
>>97738819What happened between 30k and 40k to make the battle cannon change? This is like the falchion having volcano cannons in 40k
>>97738810Just buy the Solar aux leman russ that is in plastic now, much nicer
>>97738820It's just a different pattern of battle cannon. Same as how the Canon de 75 modèle 1897 and 7.7 cm Feldkanone 96 were both field guns.
>>97738820The mars alpha russ looks much better and was produced by FW which also made the current 30k game(s). It also helps that in the fluff it's a much better variant than the basic russ.
Happy Friday anonsCustodes leaks inbound, I feel it
>>97738795>>97738807>>Astartes in the turret operating it like some demented claw machine at the arcadeNow I want to kitbash one of these for my Legiones Heretica Emperor's Children
Kratos with a knight/saturnine dreadnought body on top. LIke a centaur of sorts.
>>97738835>for my Legiones Heretica Emperor's Children>tank designed for maintenance of other tanks>EC use it to abduct random guys off the battlefield for their rape dungeonFigures
>>97738839World Eaters?
>>97738820>What happened between 30k and 40k to make the battle cannon change?Nothing, the design existed ages in 40k as the Ryza pattern battle cannon turret. When FW started making HH, they imported everything they had into it, which is why SA got their Russ design, by FW grabbing stuff they had and cramming it in there.>This is like the falchion having volcano cannons in 40kAs oppose to the volcano cannons it has in 30k?
>>97738847where have I seen that before...
>>97738835Put a bunch of bloody helmets and heads on the tank as trophies the claw operator has ripped off his enemies.
>>97738849>As oppose to the volcano cannons it has in 30k?It has neutron wave guns in 30k. I WISH it had volcano cannons.
>>97738855Nah that's more World Eaters or Night Lords.EC would be taking their victims alive
>>97738835>>97738843What actually happened to the EC techmarines anyway? It's harder to get more tech fetishist than the Ad Mech
EC vehicle grade sonic weapons. Like a small ordinatus.
>>97738859They become the founding members of r/astartesfuckingcars
>>97738863Exorcist but the pipe organ is an actual pipe organ and the gunner is on meth
>>97738856It can, if you choose to play better editions.
>>97738810
>>97738628The problem of Marines is that marines are supposed to feel both tanky and Jilly, which fundamentally doesn't work when their opponents are also Marines 90% of the times. This problem is also the reason for why 40k is in a constant power creep spiral. >Marine players complain that they aren't killy enough >GW gives boltgun Ap-1 with bonuses >Marine players complain that Marines die too much>GW gives marines 2 wounds>Repeat
>>97738890>JillyOnly the Emperor's Children are meant to be jilling, anon
>>97738776>save 6+ CC 6+ FF 5+ speed 35cm>Blind cannon: (small arms) Disrupt>The Claw: (assault weapons) Macro Weapon>special rules: when added to formations without techmarine it gains Leader, otherwise it gains Transport(1 techmarine stand)What it's going to get run as, I printed 4 (still need to print the claws) and now I want to print techmarines with servitors too. Also have a legion artemis AA, a rhino with a skyreaper battery. Another pilfered idea.
The current bayonet/chain bayonet options should be replaced by "bayonet or combat blade" and "chain bayonet or chainsword" in all cases, while also removing the requirement for the user to be carrying a bolter (as he is now just using the second option if he isn't).
>>97738616Too bad Heresy has always been monumentally shit at being a game OR fulfilling power fantasies. Presented with the choice, the designers have always picked "neither".
>>97738954Bayonets should be like the skitarii ones. Impact(i) S+1
>>97738954Bayonets should be treated like they and combat knives have always been treated, just the stock weapon of the model with no effect on the rules. Usually it's chainswords and other substantial close combat weapons that get rules.
After seeing the community painters tackle the new Custodes, I no longer feel the urge to purchase the box. Thanks Warhammer community editors.
>>97739020Why is that?
>>97738875No, the model only ever had neutron wave cannons
>>97739020>Usually it's chainswords and other substantial close combat weapons that get rules.No, not even chainswords. 2.0 niggers have been too fucking spoiled with the most basic melee weapon being a fucking mini lightning claw, when it's been nothing but an extra attack since 3rd.
>>97738959That would be reasonable.
>>97739169>"Usually it's chainswords and other substantial close combat weapons that get rules [to be basic close combat weapons]."Clarified for the short bus crows.
Chainswords not having rules in 40k is fine, theres a million factions with their own "generic" close combat weapons and the chainsword is that for the imperium, thats fine.Chainswords not having rules in 30k is not fine. The factions are just marine mirror matches (for the most part) and the minutia needs to be emphasised because its just lots of marines fighting each other with the same stats and general wargear options.
>>97739163
>>97739169This.
>>97739189Obvious shop is obvious
>>97738820>This is like the falchion having volcano cannons in 40kAs opposed to what?
>>97739211A neutron wave battery?
>>97739214First time I've heard of one, I know it could get a neutron wave capacitator for its twin linked volcano cannons but not this. Is it a 3.0 change?
>>97739220I guess so. I might need to go back and check what it had in 2e, but in 3.0 it has a twin neutron wave cannon or whatever. The knight porphyron has a bigger version of the same gun (twice the shots for +100pts)
>>97739185>lots of marines fighting each othermore like a handful of the most elite guys of the legions battling each other with thunder hammers and lightning claws
>>97739225It's a weird change but I guess they just rolled the capacitator into the main profile like they did with the tech-thralls upgrades in 2.0.
>>97739241I guess. Wish it hit harder though.
>TQ>Take Ridge Runner>Lower it as low as possible>Give it a front and rear wing>Give it a marine sized cockpit>Add a havoc launcher in the side chasis>Give it las Cannon
>>97738795>>97738807>>97738835I like how hes waving his sword
>>97738648>TQIf we are counting rapiers, plasma rapiers, that lob out gravis plasma shotsIf we are not counting rapiers, a storm eagle in plastic.
>>97739278
>>97739295Rapiers for all the heavy weapon variants would be cool, ngl.Especially the flamer variant
>>97738648>Iron Warrior Siege Gun>Built on a either Land Raider chassis and come in units of 1 model or Rhino chassis that can be that can be brought in Squadrons>Open topped.>2 gun options: >A) Thunderstrike Assault Gun (Direct fire, Small blast, anti-tank/building/monster/Dreadnought)>B) Thunderburst cannon (Barrage, Large Blast, Anti-Infantry)
>>97739305Sick
Is there a way to make tanks outflank, besides LR Explorator? Any faction, any tank, Outflank.
>>97739311>TQOh i got another one, sabers that are not shit. Give them stable and give them access to a laser destroyer.
>>97739353Technically? but its not point effective or really feasible. Because you Would need to run a Thunder hawk transporter which would let you drop off 2 rhino chassis or 1 Land raider variant.
>>97739353The perfect strike tank that embodies the Legions in ferocious nature can
>this is the painting standard of painting it takes to get a warcom feature
>>97739391I don't see the issue?
>>97739391
>>97739392Pooling by the wash they used on the gold among other things. >>97739391Yea? Theyre not "showcases of painting skill". Its just "hey, some niche micro celebs you might now did some different schemes! arent you now excited by the opportunities presented by the kit?"
>>97739391>Literally no one wants to paint cuckstodeas so they have toe scrape the bottom of the barrel to get warcomm featured
>>97739401>Pooling by the wash they used on the gold among other things.Honestly I assumed that was intended to make it look like engine oil that had leaked from the vehicle
>>97739407If that was the effect I dont think its done super well either desu. Not that the effect is super "appropriate" for custodes either desu.
>>97738662>le baitcope it is still blatantly a vostroyan and the op is probably a retard who owns no models and thats why he doesnt now what the exetus look likethey are either solar auxilia or if you go by the book covers cadian look
Is it just my meds not working, or do these models have boob plate like the Shield Captain?
>>97739419Nah some of them blatantly have boobplateWonder how that got past the GW "brand safety" team unless they thought it was meant to be pecs/a muscle cuirass
>>97739425Sisters have boob plate
>>97739429Yeah but Custards aren't sisters, they're even better girlbosses who have to be 100% brand safe for the new Prime series
Hand went into the sheet rolling machine at work, fractures in three fingers but no lasting damage. Thankfully I can use my thumb and index finger to paint after the plaster is applied. We must go on, unflinching, unstoppable, unending in our strength. As the primarch taught.
>>97739449Swift recovery anon.
>>97739449>We must go on, unflinching, unstoppable, unending in our strength. As the primarch taught.Are you talking about Ferrus, Perturabo, Vulkan, or Mortarion?
>>97739449To your good health, anon.>>97739474All of them, as relevant.
>>97739367:(>>97739374x.x yuck>>97739363>Give them stable and give them access to a laser destroyer.Don't mind stable, Rapier Guns on a true vehicle chassis would be a niche of its own. Especially as they can Outflank. Also, give them True HK missiles, not that anemic shit they've got.How can it be that Rapiers got better guns than Sabres themselves!Oh well, it is necessary: if we Sabres were simply outflanking rapiers, maybe we just wouldn't bother with actual Rapiers irdk.All I know is, anything less than S10, I'm not impressed. Vehicle resilience has caused that sort of Antitank "Inflation".>But what about AV12?I don't worry about what I can deal with, I worry about that spooky AV14 with the 3x5 termie units and Kratos that I certainly cannot ignore, inching towards me.
>>97739367Oh. I guess Outflanking is the niche of cavalry. Tanks for pushing through, bikes and speeders to outflank
>>97739462>>97739474Ferrus, my man.>>97739479Thanks guys.
>>97738675>Transport capacity is 22.There might be a niche for this. Like a Spartan that transports 200 pts of despoilers without first having to pay 400 pts for Spartan.SA have theirs. Mechanicum have theirs
>>97738739
>>97739419You really think they'd settle for optional heads? Femstodes are a statement.
>>97739514That's the intended niche, yes. As I said, I wanted a Rhino Advancer equivalent and I like the Arquitor's look
>>97738648What about a Sicaran Incinerator (volkite)? Omega plasma is already there, just swap it for something like the Deredeo's.
>>97738799>Melta SicarianIsn't it weird that the more advanced Sicarian doesn't have the graviton, neutron, melta, volkite, and flamer options the primitive Predator has?
>>97739449Talk to your local Tech Adept for modification
>>97739374I sometimes randomly think about thisHow many years ago was it? Was it Book 8?
i come bearing gifts
>>97739548There's also this one, because the IW wouldn't let the fists outdo their autism
>>97739563here you go, rest are special missions and fluff
>>97739563So this confirms no regular scale Ascalon rules then?
>>97739569Panic on artillery is so unfair
>>97739449>>97739509No need to ditch your flesh yet, anon lol. A swift recovery for you.>Already my Legion's warriors replace their shield hands with metal in my honour, and so they too are learning to doubt the natural strength of their bodies. They must be weaned off this practice before it becomes a mania for them. Hatred of what is natural, of what is human, is the first and greatest of the corruptions.>So I record it here: when the time comes, I will strip my hands of their unnatural silver. I will instruct my Legion to recant their distrust of the flesh. I will turn them away from the gifts of the machine and bid them relearn the mysteries of flesh, bone and blood. When my father's Crusade is over, this shall be my sacred task. When the fighting is done, I shall cure my Legion and myself. For if fighting is all there is, if we may never pause to reflect on what such devotion to strength is doing to us, then our compulsion will only grow.
>>97739569>60 pts for your super heavy to ignore the normal reaction rulesAnd so the power creep continues
>>97739578Oh, are super heavies very powerful and oppressive units? Do you expect fellblades to become the new meta? This is, if anything, a bandaid onto the fact that legion superheavies are kinda weak, theyre very expensive, give up VP when they die and are in many ways EASIER to deal with than their normal counteparts (rear armor 12). Their inability to return fire is just another weakness, one they can now fix (for more points, and 60pts is not "nothing".
My buddy's Inwit Phalangites.Gonna be painting some of my first dudes shortly, bros XIV Legion :)
>>97739524Honestly, yeah. I though the bodies would be the same like the new Guard Models.
>>97739569That looks pretty fun. Definetly going to have to pick one up for my NL.
>>97739563So, pay 60 pts to ignore the stupid limitation, and to get Autorepair when hit by Shock (X), as they naturally already ignore Stun, Supressed and Pinned from the VDT....nah, i'm rather convinced not reacting to any unit is a mistake in the first place
>>97739569Sedras is very happy with this
>>97739568Pertyhaiku.The first black books are unsurpassed.
>>97739563So no HQ tanks?
>>97739563Are superheavies immune to the normal restrictions of what guns can return fire? Or is this just 60pts to have two laser destroyers open up on someone.
>>97739644>Are superheavies immune to the normal restrictions of what guns can return fire?No because by default they can't return fire at all
>>97739648Yes they can? Its only against primarchs, knights and superheavies but they can return fire.
>>97739569PANIC barragePANIC barrage
>>97739574>>97739664And to think last thread we had people wanting arty to feel like a nightmare.They got it, I guess
>>97739630>no HQ tanksFor real, what's wrong with HQ tanks? It has literally been done already befo-They're saving it for a 2027 Journal. They need to keep the hype. Why must an edition release take full three years to be released? I want the options NOWRITES OF WAR DIED FOR THIS
>>97739569No AA is a bummer, but I like the panic barrage.
>>97739673Technically Panic 1 is easier to pass than Stun 1, really.
>>97739563> Fellblade> FalchionGlaive bros … I’m not feeling so good. Anything Glaive related anon?
>>97739569>Whirlwind has actually decent rules
>>97739687>Why must an edition release take full three years to be released?Because there is a new edition every 3 years
Panic is such a shit rule, not only do you get to force a free moral test from a single wound, you get a free modifier. modifiers have always been a blight on gaming and this just proves ne right
>>97739723>a single wound*hit
>>97739733I've only played 2 3.0 games. I didn't realise its worse
>>97738959Bayonets are essentially short spears on your gun. Why do you keep asking for a spear CHARGE? Have you never heard of a spear WALL?Back in the day, pikemen protected musketeers (and arbalesters). When the bayonet was implemented, musketeers got given blades on their guns so they didn't need pikemen to defend them.Bayonets started as defensive weapons to defend ranged attackers from cavalry, not to have infantry assault the foe.
>>97739206>The Falchion uses a potent weapon which combines technologies fielded in the Fellblade and the Shadowsword super-heavy tank. The Falchion’s twin-mounted Volcano cannon is one of the most powerful vehicle-mounted, anti-tank weapons in the Imperium’s arsenal and it requires such an investment in resources to construct just a single example that its use is limited to the Legiones Astartes. Even then, the Falchion is so rare that most Legions maintain but a handful, reserved for use against the largest of enemy war machines.
>>97739723>>97739752>Nooo, /mydudes/ would never withdraw from a flamethrower, they're brave
>>97739723Go back to playing 40k if you can't handle morale mechanics, kid.
>>97739754[Citation Needed]
>>97739763Yes? Marines are literally incapeable of fear
>>97739775>Marines are literally incapeable of fearGo back to /40kg/
>>97739775No they simply don't know what it is, which means that whenever it happens they get also extremely confused because they have no idea why they are pissing themselves
>>97739775
>>97739791>because they have no idea why they are pissing themselvesThe DG don't have this issue
>>97739770>>97739763I don't have an isdue with morale, my issue is with modifiers and how you don't need to do any thing to get panic, ypu get it for free, you just need to shoot someone to trigger it which is dumb. Its so unfai.
>>97739825>Why do they not need to do anything but spray fire on me for me to have a chance of routing?
>>97739733No, hits are for supression and stun. Panic takes a wound, as does pinning.>Panic is such a shit rule, not only do you get to force a free moral test from a single wound,Yes, thats what the status is for. You use a weapon that does less damage, but which has a chance to debuff your opponent. Thats the tradeoff. >you get a free modifierSo? There is no weapon that is "too good" at causing panic relative to its cost/rarity/limitations.
>>97739673>>97738615>With how lethal most stuff was in 1.0 the problem used to be that games came down to who got to go first.I really believe none of you fucks ever used cover.I would not fear AP2 phosphex if 4++ cover was abundant. And it was. ALL RUINS WERE 4+ COVER!You just played on planet bowling ball, deployed on the open and then complained the AP3 gun killed your exposed infantry.I will never not denounce you! You got killed by artillery because you sucked.
>>97739829I'm talking mecanics, you shouldn't get a free bonud just for shooting
>>97739849You must hate the Fear special rule even more. It's a modifier to everything within range your model get for just... standing there. Menacingly.
>>97739849>Nooo, you shouldn't get +1 attack on the charge, you shouldn't get a free bonus just for charging>Nooo, you shouldn't get a cover save, you shouldn't get a free bonus just for moving there
>>97739786Nta but 40ks morale is way worse, failed test mean you can have like three extra guys just removed as casualties
>>97739845Don't make me pull up the laundry list of AP 2 shooting with Ignores Cover, you dumb nigger.
>>97739865The irony is there's a 50/50 chance anon hates NL with a passion or is a NL player>>97739869I meant more than 30k marines not having ATSHKF was a specific thing in both the fluff and crunch when this game came out
>>97739849"and thats why breaching is bad, you shouldnt get free AP just for shooting a gun"
>>97739869No that was in some previous edition. Right now units who fail their morale test become Objective Control 0 and can't use stratagems.
>>97739867>>Nooo, you shouldn't get +1 attack on the charge, you shouldn't get a free bonus just for chargingAgreed>>Nooo, you shouldn't get a cover save, you shouldn't get a free bonus just for moving thereNot the same, you actually have to think about the angles and where you place your models.>>97739865Yeah, its dumb, aura type effects are also dumb
>>97739763>>Nooo, /mydudes/ would never withdraw from a flamethrower, they're braveBrave and power armoured, bitch! If the Emperor didn't want us to wade through fire and flame, He wouldn't have seen fit to clad us in ceramite from head to toe!
>>97739886Unironically fuck of, this game isn't for you
>>97739886>Not the sameYes it is. It is a free thing you get for doing something (standing on terrain).
>>97739891Seven minutes was all he could spare to play with them.
>>97739845Rapier phosphex was Barrage and Barrage weapons have this thing where the LOS is measured from the center of the blast marker, rather than the shooter. So if you fire indirectly at a unit behind a wall and the center of the blast marker is behind that wall, the wall does not give them cover. Area terrain is another thing, of course.
>>97739886Warhammer in any form is not for you. Go play something else.
>>97739900, i like 30k, I just don't like stacking modifiers since thats what ruined 40k
>>97739914>I like 30k, why won't you change half the rules so I don't hate themFuck off, this is why gatekeeping needs to be a thing
>>97739773https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/04/forgeworld-legion-falchion-and-rob-plates-are-here.html
>>97739904Wrong, making a shooting attack takes no skill, making sure your unit is covered from all angls, that takes skill
When I my axe lads getting the plastic treatment?
marines might not be very given to falling back in pants shitting screeching terror or anything like that but they may well have sudden flashes of insight that convey to them that they are going to potentially die needlessly and quite quickly if they do not displace away from whatever has provoked said realization and the likes of seal and intake integrity readings losing their shit in the face of a promethium fire plastering itself over them may induce such a thing and evoke a falling back
>>97739926>3rd party fansiteOh no no no
>>97739931Standing on a piece of terrain doesent take any skill either.
>>97739922No? Long term warhammer players like myself has always been against modifier spam, its only 8th babies who like it
>>97739931>What is area terrain>What is having to choose which unit to shootHonest question, are you a child/early teen?
>>97739937>3rd party fansiteWho copy pasted the store description and thus preserved it.This is what the kids call: "Cope".
>>97739944A special rule that applies a certain level of modifier isn't modifier spam retard
>>97739950>Who copy pasted the store description[Citation Needed]
>>97739935When they add the rest of the weapons options to the Destructors.
>>97739939Thats not what I'm saying at all, it takes skill because you actually need to make sure your model is covered by the terrain from everything that can hit it, you need to also think about how your oponent can move around you.
>>97739969If you are standing on the area of the terrain you get a cover save. You dont need to do any thinking.
>>97739969>What is area terrain
Panic should trigger if you hit a percentage on the unit, like you hit 25% of it, that seems more fair
>>97739969If you think putting your models in terrain requires skill, you are actually mentally compromised.
>>97739543What works is what works.Advances come from lack.
>>97739985Thats called a rout check, where if you kill enough guys the unit tests for panic.
>>97739985>See Brother Davius burn to death before your eyes>Nah, who cares, they didn't hit the other 4 of us
>>97739959As was already shown; Horus Heresy - Book 3 - Extermination, page 241
>>97739981>>97739978Idk what that is, my play group just does it like if their is cover physically blocking the model from where the shooting model is, like if your behind a barrier and the shooting is on the other side you get the cover but if they move around the side and the barrier isn't in the way you don't get the save (I've never read the rule book, i just do what they tell me)
>>97740012Bad shop is obvious
>>97739935On one hand, I want them so much, the Destructors were fantastic models. On the other I dread them, building the destructors was hell
>>97740015>Idk what that is>I've never read the rule book, i just do what they tell meOh no no no
>>97740015>I've never read the rule bookIlliterates are not allowed to participate in our hobby.
>>97740015The bait was working until this post, you laid it on a bit hard
>>97739999>>97739998Remember, Panic is suppised to tepresent them gettind scared by the fire,not people being killed by it, nobody has dies yet, one guy getting covered in fire wouldn't bother a marine, they do this every day, but if half the squad gets covered it would, it wouldn't even be a fear thing they could just be disorentated and need to regroup.
>>97740065Except it's not because it's based on woundsHoly shit has no one actually read the rules?
>>97739872If you have better data, you should be heard. I remember Plasma Wave would stack with Enhanced Targetting Array (-1 to cover). But to shoot twice Thanatars needed a guy instead of being baked in like it was in 2.0, and they were vulnerable to meltabombs unlike 3.0. They had vulnerabilities. They could be dealt with.Early 1.0 was okay. Things kinda went south with Inferno.
>>97740055>>97740037>>97740036I genuenly don't learn by reading, I've bedn playing wargames since I was 12, I've never read a rule book, i just have people give me a demo game and i just remember what to do.
>>97740088>I genuenly don't learnFTFY
>>97740078Panic is based on "wounds" not unsaved wounds. Panic (the weapon rule) also represents weapons scary enough that their mere presence represents a challenge to morale and may cause an evacuation/rout. Whether that is "basic" incendiary weapons or the horror that is phosphex.
>>97739563>fellblade decurionLove it>>97739569>two missile options Excellent
>>97740078Tbf a template hit is also a wound since you don't roll for them
>>97739908>Seven minutes was all he could spare to play with them.You could get 14 episodes out of that much time, anon :)
>>97740103It has to be a SUCCESSFUL wound, IE, the marine is past the point where their natural protection makes them feel invulnerable
>>97740103No, that's a hit that you now have to roll to wound onReadTheFuckingRules
>>97740103This is advanced retardation
>>97740115Thats what I said, templates auto hit so each hit is a wound by default. (Unsaved wounds are still wounds)
We need to bring back units getting testing to get pinned whenever they're wounded by anything, mariniggers are getting too uppity
>>97740131No, it's a hit. You roll to hit (which templates skip) and then each hit rolls to wound.
>>97740141Oh that makes sense
>>97740087The typhon was in book 1 anon. Did you even play 1.0?
You should be able to status a charging unit with volly fire
>>97739869Moral has been a bad mechanic in literally every warhammer game I've played since 1999. It's always shit.
>>97740153Trust me anon, as someone who relied on telepathy pinning units in overwatch last edition to survive with my blackshields, you don't want this.
>>97739999>>Nah, who cares, they didn't hit the other 4 of usUnironically. Early Black Books were just built different.
>>97740167B..but I'm a mecanicum player who has to survive against melle marine armies
>>97740150>350pts>7" blast>ID ignores coverlol, lmao
>>97740153Night Lord hands wrote this post.
>>97740150A very curated version of it. No Lords of War (Typhons, Primarchs, Knights, Titans etc). And people didn't play TS or Custodes either.Craziest thing around was a Reductor magos with the extra heavy support FOC spamming lots of artillery and darklight lasers, but they were vulnerable enough to melee.It wasn't all that different from the SA guy, really. Massed demolishers didn't need to carry phosphex to be a menace, but at least they could be dealt with from a distance, and were powerless to air.
>>97740087If you use the cybertheurgy to shoot twice automata couldn't shoot the following turn either.
>>97740176No anon, they have to survive against melee with us
>>97740223Yep, there was a tradeoff. I liked that better. The new cybertheurgy is so bland compared to what was before
>>97740226I need more robots, less thallax
>>97740176Don't underestimate mechsnicum melee anon, I've had a a unit of 6 castellax kill 9 of the thousand sons twin sword guys with no cybertheurgy buffs between firestorm and snippy claws
>>97738648I'm building a militia army based on og Vostroyan-esque Imperial Army.Any ideas on what infantry to convert to match aesthetics the finecast monopose ones?
>>97740279>kill 9 of the thousand sons twin sword guys with no cybertheurgy buffs>between firestorm and snippy clawsHow many to firestorm and how many to snippy claws? I do wonder what the bigger component is
>>97740285It was like 6 to firestorm, 3 with claws. Despite being Ws3, AP4 2a, they are still S8 D2...which I'm just realizing isn't exactly what I asked for last edition but everyone told me shock chargers getting brutal 2 would be too much. Shows them!
>>97740291Woah. Did they even get any of yours?
>>97740250Also, also cybertheurgy was on a per model basis, to make an entire unit affected by it you needed a 0-1 daot relic. What pissed me off most was the change from cybernetica going from a melee faction to a ranged one, 3.0 did slightly change that back at least but I don't like the direction hh is going so I won't play it.
Supreme grand knight lord of the dark angels hyper shock troopers order of the dark rose, defeated a shield host by himself (don't as how)
I was making promises that if I win all my titanicus games I'd get a full sized titan but now I kinda want to make a command fellblade
>>97740088Bro be like
>>97738648>marinesLegion Malcador and Baneblade>militiaMilitia Dracosan>daemonsSoulgrinder
>>97739391Post your models
>>97739535Someone actually made a conversion like that in a white dwarf, it was cool
>>97738648I don't actually care so much abouy new units as I do existing units getting fuckpiles of new weapon options.
>>97739563>>97739569no tank commander? no alt primary detachment? Sloptica strikes again.
>>97740313They got one castellax down to 1 wound, which I just repaired away the next turn. T6 makes power swords very sad, but I did warn him I was bringing the legio cybernetica and he did respond with bringing a vehicle heavy list so I think we're even on that front.
>>97739569>rest are special missions and fluffWait...it's a Journal for a single unit?!
>>97738847>>97738850
>>97740704>They got one castellax down to 1 wound, which I just repaired away the next turn. T6 makes power swords very sadThis is for that fucker who defends power swords having a niche that "well they could stab a dread". LMAO.
Warm take: I think Panic 1 is fine (as opposed to Panic 0), because it you wanted to force a unit to take a Ld test at normal Ld, you'd simply kill lots of them.Just look at the new (old) Whirlwind >>97739569 The S6 missiles will kill enough tacticals to cause a 25% rout test, whereas the Pyrax won't kill as many but the tradeoff is it still forces a Ld test, at -1 while at it.
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>>97739569I just realized both missiles are technically defensive. You charge a whirlwind and it fucking unloads on you with its artillery.
Saturnine would be cooler if they got regular heavy weapons like auto cannons and multi meltas
>>97740794The techmarine pops out of the hatch and lobs a missile at you.I kinda bugs me you can't have a combi bolter and a pintle weapon, I don't like how the bolters are considered separate guns.
>>97740794>>97740804>The techmarine pops out of the hatch and lobs a missile at youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GEPBjYbYQ4
We need some Selenar representation on the tabletop. The Genemommies are awesome.
>>97740849
>>97740849>Genemommieslol
>>97740849Gonna need you to elaborate on that one
>>97739169>it's been nothing but an extra attack since 3rd.I'd like an extra attack better than "you get AP5, and do extra damage on a 6 (still on AP5)"
>>97740794>>97740804Whirlwind with Havoc launcher :O
>>97740849>Simulacra Astartes>Heliosa-78 model>Ur-legionaries Would be a sweet af addition to the traitors ngl
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>>97740960hear me out: whirlwind with apocalypse launcher
>>97741092I guess it could fit.
>>97741200Pics like this make me realize I have no idea how big a reaver titan actually looks
Why would you, as a red blooded, god-fearing man with healthy testosterone levels, play ANYTHING other than Loyalist Marines?>Shitty proto-guard with 0 relevance to anything, literally garrison fodder>Admech (inherently feminine)>Chaos (trans coded)
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>>97741289 Because guys like that are closeted fags and play word bearers
>>97738722>never got fucking grav rhinosyea I'm mad
>>97739291claw should be holding the sword
>>97738722>>97741309I'm seriously looking at the Impulsor. Enclosed back, 30k cupolas, remove the side turrets, cover the holes and slap on Deimos exhaust.
>>97741092I suppose one could take whatever Bane-chassis and pretend their gun is actually a big missile launcher. Are there barrage Baneblades?
>>97741323Take the lancer, swap the turret for a tarantula turret with appropriate weapons, put the smoke launchers on the side sponsons, use the front plate of the deimos and it will still look like shit
>>97741351Well of course it's gonna look like shit if you do it completely differently and don't even try.
>>97740949But it is an extra attack you nitwit. You lost the extra attack for charging, the extra attack for two weapons got baked in the very unit that came with chainswords.
>>97740746>The S6 missiles will kill enough tacticals to cause a 25% rout test,No it won't its an ap4 blast, you're hitting 3 models, wounding 2, and none die.
>>97741289I think there could be more Rebel traitor marines. That is, traitors who are against the monarchy and lack of legion's rights, and not in favor of literal daemons.We've seen loyal EC (Tarvitz) and loyal Death Guard (Morturg, Garro). It would be nice to see actual loyal WE with the nails (like Ehrlen but not Endryd, or Rubio). Or any NL loyalists at all.If you want the regular Loyal legions, they've been the stars of 40k for decades already. But if you want Death Guard who are anything other than peepee poopoo marines, or Sons of Horus who aren't just Abaddon's Black Legion, 30k is the only place.
>>97741366Anon, I want an attack for having two weapons,>We got thatAn attack for being a sergeant>Despoilers don't have thatAnd a conditional attack with chainswords or chainaxes to make up for Spite of the Legion that Despoilers lost, yet Tacticals both kept Fury and got upgraded to 2 shots at full range and bolters no longer block charges.That's what I want.
>>97741370It's a 5" blast, you are not hitting only 3 models. But indeed you'd need to hit all 10 Tacticals to kill 3 using an AP Useless weapon.But kill 2 models and cause a Stun test (at Cool 6)? Good enough for me.
>>97740688those are only used in the missions, i'll post more next week
>>97741296that reaver makes me sadif you get a titan put some fucking effort into it
>>97741467A badly painted titan is better than no titan
>>97741415>you are not hitting only 3 modelsYes you are, the moment anyone hears artillery they're spacing models out. I don't know why anyone pretends otherwise
>>97741388Terrible model
>>97741309>he thought that FW would realize cool ideas instead of their OC donut steelsenjoy:dickjetbikes and derivative dickbikes and dickspeedossolar auxiliamechanicum tanks with holes instead of armour
>>97741563>even in the official artwork the bolter magazines just slice the bottom gun in half
>>97740849I made an army of them for epicAU's militia to be run as unification war era defense forces, great crusade/HH old 100 regiment and early scouring traitor remnants but the scouring book has retroactively scoured daemons from my scouring list.
>>97741486A 5" blast has a 2.5" radius and the maximum allowed coherency for most marine units is 2". Hitting 4/5 dudes per hit is entirely reasonable because "spread out blob" is much more doable than "big long conga line"
>>97740960Whirlwinds and demolisher vindicatos with havoc launchers is kino
>>97740960You nearly double your damage, so sure (thats both a statement regarding how good havoc launchers are, and how low impact the whirlwinds weapon actually is)
>>97740960>Havoc launchers.Bro you put those fucking things on anything you can right now. Its a 5 point upgrade for a stun 1 small blast, that alone is worth it.
>>97741946Swat someone with the launcher and the pyrax missiles and you force 2 status checks too.
>>97741960It also looks damn cool on basically everything but a predator
>>97741961>>97741904Will it be possible to kill enough marines with the S6 missiles to both cause a Route Ld test and a Stun Cool test? Come on let's get those 3 guys mwahaha
>>97741981Possible? Yes. Likely? No. Lets say you have a 10 man unit, to cause a panic test you need to kill 3 dudes (2.5). That takes doing 9 saves, which means hitting essentially the whole squad (or getting lucky and them rolling poorly). Its not great damage, but the unit is dirt cheap and fairly mobile, so its probably still useful. If nothing else as a way to keep your opponent busy spreading out and mentally occupied by that rather than something else.
Only waacfags are doing that shit. Don't encourage it
>>97741973>everything but a predator
>>97742003Those are hunter killer missiles which also look dumb on a frying pan turret.
Rhinoes should be able to buy multiple hunter killer missiles.
>>97742015Models should be allowed to stand on top of active vehicles
>>97742028bring back open topped and firing points!
>>97742015Rhinos should be able to buy multiple manticore missiles.>>97742028Just use the Necromunda rules where they need to test if they fall off when the vehicle moves.
>>97741946>thats both a statement regarding how good havoc launchers are:D>and how low impact the whirlwinds weapon actually isD:I just think missile artillery is cool
>>97742015That's what the hunter was when it got introduced before 40k turned it into the silly "shove people into missiles" tank.
>>97742000I need to kill 3 guys on the same phase, right? Not necessarily on a single attack, just the same turn......meh, but I'd still need someone else's firepower onto marines. They really are well armoured. And if I use the pintle mount, then it could very well be a havoc launcher anyways.Pyrax + Havoc really does sound like the better option
>>97742049Oh same. I think the whirlwind is going to be quite good. I just dont see it as very impactful.I think its going to be like a naked predator. Where the damage isnt really that high, but its cheap enough to be convenient in nearly every list (100pts base!) and has enough impact to where its hard to ignore. Personally im having at least one. Less for "big time damage" and more because its a good way to apply some pressure on potentially elusive targets like HSS from relative safety (and statuses deny scoring).
>>97742036Give me heavy disintegrator options for boxnoughts and plasma cannons and volkite culverins for terminators
>>97742043>>97742061>That's what the hunter wasI would like a vehicle with multiple HK missiles, preferably a tank instead of a speeder or sentinel. The Sabre is such a letdown
>>97741289/40kg/ is down the hall and to the left
>>97742067No, in the new rules its "25% of the squad from one units fire". So you cant kill one with one unit, another with a 2nd and two more with a third. Has to be all in one go. But yea, pintle + missiles seems the go, 115pts (still super affordable) and it gives you really nice long range status pressure. >>97742071>volkite culverins for terminatorsget bent
>>97741960I think heavy flamers and combi-bolters have uses too. Back in 2.0 i had very good results with Multi-melta pintles, I hope that's still there
>>97742082Lerneans used to get Volkite culverins as a special weapon. Rip.
>>97742095I dont imagine a flamer is much good on the whirlwind. But yea, ive seen both heavy flamers (panic) and combi bolters (a surprisingly relevant number of shots) work well. Meltas seem a bit expensive, but with how annoying rhinoes are to deal with now I could see them working. If your enemy doesent spend their limited AT kiling a rhino they risk a close range lucky melta exploding a tank.
>>97741289'twas poor bait at best
>>97742061Epic Hunter with the hunter missile launcher with its hunter missiles was an improved AA platform. Don't know why the stat line calls it a hunter-killer when none of the fluff does.>Missiles are fed onto the launch rail by a cylindrical drum feed located on the opposite side to the targeters.>some have further modified the launcher to house paired launch units and a central sensor array in an effort to further improve its capabilities.Sounds familiar.
>>97738648So what you all working on? I just finished a storm eagle and letting the gap filling cure, and just finishing building a 15 man despoiler squad.
>>97742082>get bentHow is that where you draw the line?
>>97742222I'm waiting
>>97742222>So what you all working on?Nothing much, But I have some contekar to build. Considering biting the bullet and ordering the parts to build flay clade, but ill probably put that off for now since I dont know if ill ever really use them.
>>97742145It was an AA/AT vehicle in epic, armageddon has its gun as AT4+/AA4+. >Don't know why the stat line calls it a hunter-killer when none of the fluff does.Which one, the epic hunter, the missile or the 40k hunter? >Sounds familiar.I don't know how I never noticed the scorpius being a remade hunter.>>97742222I've gotten an email of the militia from wga that I ordered from the kickstarter finally getting shipped but by now I've mostly pivoted off to 6mm stuff. I've started writing a small supplement for epic armageddon centered around Bodt which will have its own army lists and some specific scenarios. I was also toying around with some campaign rules/rewards and I've started printing 3 of these to double as terrain and one of the rewards. Thank you for reading my blogpost.
>>97742299>From the creators of the Arvus LighterThe Arvus Longer
>>97742299>arvus heavier
>>97742299>Arvus Girth
I heard a SA Artillery Command squad + SA Medusas or something was good artillery that was also cheap and easy to get.I suppose the same is true for Whirlwinds. Maybe also WW Scorpius, Hyperios... and maybe Arcus Sicarans?
>>97742326>>97742332Fucking kek
>>97742222Finished the saturnine command squad. Now to decide what to paint next.
>>97742299>It was an AA/AT vehicle in epic, armageddon has its gun as AT4+/AA4+.The fluff talks about it as an anti-air platform to replace the abysmal failure that the whirlwind with AA missiles turned out to be. Dual-purpose anti-air/anti-tank missiles do exist in real life.>Which one, the epic hunter, the missile or the 40k hunter?The tank is Hunter, the launcher is the Hunter missile launcher (has its own STC), which fires Hunter missiles, but in the stats the weapon profile is called "Hunter-Killer".
>>97742326>>97742332>>97742341Yeah, once I saw it I knew I needed at least a trio along with an excuse to bring them on the table.
>>97742358The hunter-killer is its own thing, it's called that way because in the before times(read: 1.0 and older editions) it was a krak missile with infinite range, infinite to represent its aptitude at locking onto and seeking out enemies that are some absurde distances away from who is firing it, even if obscured by something.
>>97742299If marines have a thunder hawk transporter...I wouldn't mind them having a flyer that can carry a Russ, you know?
>>97742396
>>97742418So far I'm planning it to be a generic lander that can carry an entire formation but judging from the size of the parts I've already printed I think it can carry way more than a russ. I think I could fit a mastodon but I haven't tried yet.>>97742428I don't get what's confusing, hunter missiles and hunter killer missiles are the same thing.
What's your favorite load out for Dreadnoughts in melee-focused armies? Just double fists?
>>97742454>hunter missiles and hunter killer missiles are the same thing.adding to my own post, with hunter killers being their own thing I meant they exist outside of the hunter's fluff not that hunter and hunter killer missiles were two types of missiles. Sometimes the writers just shorten the HKs to hunters.
>>97742458Fist and chainfist. So it doesn't matter if he runs into infantry or tanks, the dread can swing both ways.
>>97742418Those tend to be larger, as Army isn't really for small scale tactical deployments. And GW demands there be no mixing of equipment, which is why Army can't use anything GW has deemed to be "space marine" even if those things existed in the setting longer than space marines and have been used by non-marines.
>learn about the Rangda Xenocides>they had attack moons manned by mind controlled slaves>time where the Imperium apparently almost met it’s match>Imperium downplayed the losses >the Dark Angels, the Emperor’s secret keepers persecuted the Xenocide part after losing half the Legion>apparently the only known conflict the two lost Legions took part inI’m interested, but this definitely feels like a “press in case of emergency” button like Horus Rising and the Heresy book series in general was.
>>97742454>hunter missiles and hunter killer missiles are the same thing.Based on what? Why aren't HK missiles lauded for their anti-air capabilities? They're clearly meant to be better than AA whirlwind missiles based on the Hunter fluff. But even aircraft mounted HK missiles are for firing at ground targets.
>>97742494Weren't Xana II and Legio Vultrum also big players?
>>97742222Got a couple touchups to hit on them but painting my first dudes, some Death Guard line tacticals17 to go plus the sergeant :>
>>97742503>Based on what?Based on the fact that the hunter is just one of many old epic vehicles armed with multiple hunter killer missiles, the fact that the weapon section calls it a hunter killer, the hunter killer name being used in the weapons section and the fact that in 23 years the name hasn't been changed despite the codex astartes list getting quite a lot of changes.https://tp.net-armageddon.org/army-lists/space-marine-codex-astartes.html>Why aren't HK missiles lauded for their anti-air capabilities?Because unlike the launchers normally used this one has a "precognitive targeting array".>They're clearly meant to be better than AA whirlwind missiles based on the Hunter fluff. But even aircraft mounted HK missiles are for firing at ground targets.And?
>>97742580>the fact that the weapon section calls it a hunter killer, the hunter killer name being used in the weapons sectionI should have reread my post.
>>97742580>>97742503>Why aren't HK missiles lauded for their anti-air capabilitiesWait guys, isn't the Hyperios pretty much also shooting HK missiles for AA? They used to be S8, they're S9 now but it's similar enough. Both AP3
>>97742580>t.
>>97742222Le thallax, 5 more to go.
>>97742621According to imperial armour 2 they work the same way so kinda?>>97742637The first phrase's source is the epic armageddon rulebook's section on the hunter, a picture of which was also posted along with the current incarnation of epic armageddon which I've also posted. The second phrase's source also from the epic armageddon's rulebook. The "and?" phrase is a reference to the fact that the launcher has a radar of some kind, also referenced from the epic armageddon rulebook while the aircraft, which you have posted no example of, let alone any source don't have such radar and that only through that radar were satisfactory AA performances achieved, as referenced in the epic armageddon's rulebook section on the hunter, also posted previously. Do you have any sources that I don't have any sources?
>>97742658Don't post such pretty thallax, you're gonna make me want to get another box
>>97742676All you have is that they named the weapon in the profile "hunter-killer" while everything else talks of the "hunter" missile. If we go by your logic, the manticore is armed with an apocalypse missile launcher.
>>97742727Rocket launcher is a category of weapons, hunter killer missile isn't. Again, if this mystical hunter missile which according to you wasn't meant to be someone shortening hunter killer to just hunter existed you would have some proof I imagine. And if it was meant to something else than a hunter killer missile it would've had its name changed by now but in 23 years it didn't despite a lot of changes happening in the marine lists. Do you have any proof this hunter missile exists? The fluff blurb mentions the STC being for the launcher too.
>>97742759>no, you're not meant to read the weapon profile name literally>only I may do that
>>97742727Hey come on anon. This is literally obscure prehistoric stuff. We're trying to tie points together and here you are asking for a receipt?With this info we can now use yet another cool mini to represent the Hyperios whirlwind. Isn't that a good thing?
>>97742818It is and at the end it is all that really matters.
>>97742222>PaintingMilita Malcador>Building2x5 Miltia recons (need to raid LGS bits box tomorrow)>PonderingMiltia grenadiers with chainswords+2 flamers or with laslocks+2 meltas
Hello. Let the SA use Valkyries, Vultures and Vendettas
>>97738675>Transport capacity is 22.>25% shorter than spartan front/back>25% shorter than spartan top/bottom>same width>same width tracks>square-cube law should make that a max of 56% of 26 ie 15>more than land raider capped at 12 which is same length, 33% tallerYOU FINNA PAINT IT BLUE DOC? GONNA BUILD A LIL HAREEM OF 22 COMPANIONS IN THERE?
Are chain axes worth taking on despoiler squads for World Eaters?
Someone able to add the Journal Tactica Skitarii to the downloads section please ?
>>97743254>>97743254>>97743254
>>97742222prepping the chud squad for paint
>>97742222Nice quads. I've started working on some SoH Chieftains and I've got to go into town to get a box of Breachers because the printed shields I got from ebay/etsy were far too big and I'm not waiting around for another week or two to get on and print just for the sake of some extra spikes. Hey, at least I get some extra mkiii bodies this way.
