>What is the best game you ever played and why it is Changeling the Lost second edition?
Because nothing is more fun than a group therapy session about the trauma I got from being raped by a fairy.

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>>97733992
You forgot all the fun times you can have by being a cute androgynous 'ling.

>>97733992
It was a bit cooler when you only posted kys hedgefag

>>97733992
>group therapy
that's v5, in CtL characters cope in silence and plan vengeance, if they start crying and complaining they are fucked.

>>97734258
>in CtL characters cope in silence and plan vengeance,
I mean, the four defaults are indulging in Passion (Spring), Wrath (Summer), Fear (Autumn), or Sorrow (Winter) and weaponizing them against your enemies or using them to aid allies.

>>97734258
I didnt realize going to the club to feed off of coke heads before driving erratically around the city and shooting street signs was considered group therapy.

>>97734345
I still think it's kino that acceptance isn't part of the courts deals.

>>97734411
Getting raped by a fairy is pretty embarrassing, no wonder they have to find ways to cope with it.

>>97734411
I mean, you can find acceptance as part of it, but the idea is that the Courts also bind the True Fae into having to use different tactics each season, and the rotation of the Crowns is anathema to them as well. As creatures bound to conceptual domains by their Titles, fighting a Freehold is fundamentally disorienting.

>Lostfag got so butthurt last thread, he decided to dedicate this thread to this shit
And this is why I hate Lostfags. They’re so thin-skinned.

>>97734345
>>97734411
Honestly, I find it immature that there isn’t a Court based around Acceptance.

>>97734410
That’s not a book-recommended way of play in V5 and you know it!

>anons replying to obvious bait like mindless goycattle
The masses are too stupid to govern themselves. Technocracy proven right once again.

>>97734258
>in CtL characters cope in silence and plan vengeance
So basically, CtL Changelings fundamentally cope and seethe. Huh, just like their players. Life, uh, imitates art, I guess.

Hedgefag I swear to Allah

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>>97734258
(You)

So we're allowed to say that VtM is just superheroes with fangs, that DtR is just edgy Kamen Rider, that WtA is just furry ecoterrorists and WtF is just furry spirit cops, but as soon as someone says CtL is just fairy rape trauma, everyone loses their minds?

>>97734709
I actually agree, but superHEROES?

>>97734646
Yeah that's the point
It's based on the seasons as much as grief
And like grief you can find acceptance though any stage
If there was a 5th then you'd have no agency or will to find it through your court
>If I wanted to be happy I'd just go to the happy place
Everything then revolves around getting into this "acceptance" court while everyone else is "stuck"
Not even a headge fag but even I'm not stupid enough to want a Mary sue group

>>97734719
Fine, capeshit with fangs.

>>97734709
5 is superheros with fangs
Classic and 20 is a Mafia game but you're all Paulie walnuts and Christopher multisanti

>>97734756
VtM has been called a gothic superhero game since the second edition.

>>97734720
>If there was a 5th then you'd have no agency or will to find it through your court
>Everything then revolves around getting into this "acceptance" court while everyone else is "stuck"
That’s kind of point though. Not everyone is meant to find it. Those that do are supposed to be the freaks, who seek out their own goals. They were unchanged even by their time spent in the custody of undefinable madness. And they genuinely don’t need to use story tropes to beat back the Gentry.
To be blunt, it would the Court for those who were just built different.

>>97733980
Okay, here's a REAL TQ for the thread.

What's your favorite setting you've run or played a Chronicle in? Not setting as in oWoD/nWoD or VtM/WtA, but a location. Not just where but when. Tell us all about what made it special to you. How striking were the visuals? What were your favorite places within the area?

>>97734770
Sounds like a Mary Sue court to me
Even if you lable it built different

>>97734720
Exactly, you grow and gain strength through your collective efforts to aid and protect all in the Freehold, and each season does it their own way. Summer are warriors who confront their problems head on. Spring are healers and counselors. Autumn are assassins. Winter are sorcerers and diviners. And by them all working together (along with a healthy dose of politics and scheming to keep things fresh and lively) it's extremely hard for the Gentry to hurt the collective.

>>97734781
>Being self-reliant and refusing to act like a victim is Mary-Sue!!!1!!!
Lostfags, everyone.

In today's episode of "Fucking with The Technocracy":
https://youtu.be/Qo0kKk8loGQ

>>97734793
Yeah let's also make a group for Vampires that reach golconda/3th generation that has enough members to be in the big 13
Mages who reached Ascension
Werwolfs that completely wiped out the wyrm
Etc
It's the point of the fucking game
They can't see why that's being a Mary Sue I'd hate to see your characters

>>97734790
How… Banal, honestly.

>>97734709
>DtR is just edgy Kamen Rider
>WtF is just furry spirit cops
You have never read either of them and you are just spouting uneducated memes.

>>97734829
Being able to live a relatively normal, human-connected life without the threat of the Gentry is the ideal for most Lost changelings.

But you can always go back to your Chuunibyou fantasy game almost nobody played when it was new 30 years ago.

>>97734857
Don't turn this into an edition war just because you can't defend your game from simple criticism.

>>97734761
>>97734746
>>97734709
VtM being "superheroes with fangs" is a sign of a bad chronicle. Either by hugboxing Storytellers or retarded powergaming players (mainly the Storyteller fault).
As a neonate you have a HARD cap in how strong you can be, which isn't that high.
Of course, you can do diablerie, but that will mark your soul and will have any camarilla that can read auras get on your ass.
Even if you manage to hide your aura, there are rituals and thaumaturgy spells to prove if someone has committed diablerie.
Another great issue is storytellers not knowing how to write intelligent elders, which leads them to be treated like cannon fodder to the players.
A chronicle in which the PCs outwit the elders without the assistance of another scheming elder and manage to even kill the prince basically singlehandedly... reeks of a terrible power fantasy game.
VtM at it's core is an oppressive game in which your characters will be made to go through hell.

>>97734833
>DtR literally uses Kamen Rider as template, with your character potentially being transformed by and rebelling against the organization (conspiracy) that created it
>WtF is literally just Spirit Border Patrol, all the fucking praise I hear from it is just saying how being Spirit ICE is more grounded and easier to roleplay (for midwits) than being the more vague Warrior of Gaia in a losing war.

>>97734793
>Being self-reliant and refusing to act like a victim is Mary-Sue!!!1!!!
You don't need an uber super special court when you can reach that in one of the four
You're acting like he's saying nobody can do it when you're saying it should be the defining trait of a Changling and so many have reached acceptance that it creates its own Court

>>97734876
Congratulations on revealing yourself as a retard who has never read a CofD book in your life.

We need a tribe of werewolfs that see how wrong they are about humanity and the wyrm™

>>97734863
>Says the troll who's only screeching about Lost because he wants to edition war

>>97734876
>DtR literally uses Kamen Rider as template
I mean, Universal Soldier is another great example. It's kind of the point in the design that the raw starting power of a character also determines how powerful the conspiracy they went rogue from will be.

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>>97734927
>No, YOU'RE the edition war troll! That's why I was the first one to compare an oWoD game to its nWoD equivalent in this thread!

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>>97734939
>How… Banal, honestly.

>>97734869
Well, most players of VtM play it as an urban fantasy. Bloodlines 2 is exactly how many played it for decades.

>>97734793
The way to acceptance is claiming an Entitlement and fully realizing that you indeed can have both, a fae persona and a mortal one.
Or by becoming Gentry, but that's a different view on it all.

People have been calling VtM superhero simulator for decades, idk why there's suddenly discussion about this

>>97734943
Changeling the Dreaming invented banality as much as Changeling the Lost invented rape trauma.

>>97734987
Because the dreaming nigger can't comprehend that lost is better and needs to deflect

>>97735007
CtD hyper-focuses on Banality as the greatest threat to their Chuuni existence, with it literally corroding and destroying their Otherkin soul.

"Rape trauma" is your trolling hyper-simplification that you're currently using to farm (You)s.

>>97735017
Yeah, yeah. Tell it to the fairy that raped your Lostling.

>>97734987
It's not a new issue, but it's a reflection of misplaced expectations of the game.
VtM at it's core is a game like Dark Sun. It's grim, oppresive, you are a small fish in a big pond.
There are figures that are wayyy beyond you and you should NOT be able to face against them (Dragon of Tyr, Antideluvians, Methuselah, sorcerer kings, etc). Even elders are way above your paygrade and you should be part of another elder's plotting or really do something extraordinary to fuck another elder over or even kill him.
"Winning" a chronicle should never be the default outcome, roleplaying comes first and that implies roleplaying your way into an early end.
Of course, not everyone enjoys that... so we have V5 and DnD 5th edition as a result of those type of player expectations.

>>97735027
There was no rape. Lots of getting silver wire threaded under the skin while paralyzed and feeling every bit of the intricate patterns being laid in place in between having to constantly act out plays on the infinite stage.

>>97735061
Wow, sick rape metaphor, bro.

Why is the Wyrd such a dick? It literally kicks out the Fae if they don't act insane and retarded.

why do I know over half the posts in this thread were made by one guy.

>>97735076
Almost as if this whole thread was just ragebait? Just look at the OP, it was over from the start.

>>97734799
>How to build your dragon
>Look inside
>An upside down tube with a dozen wings and like 10 gas sacks for a body
>Lightning and ice breath not possible, but fire is
>No individual scales though
I fucking HATE banality.

>>97734916
Isn’t that the Black Spiral Dancers lmao
Nice try, Pentex Intern-kun.

>>97734909
That wasn’t a denial lol

>>97735103
Dancers only work with them not for them
A Dancer will skull fuck a pentex executive as much as your average Garou

>>97734799
>A product of science
Silly superstitionist, the Progenitors will make it and the Syndicate will sell it. Everyone will be able to buy one of many generic designs (custom ones cost extra) and they'll know science was behind it, not magic.

I have never once made my wod games about personal struggles or a reflection of irl matters

We need WoD’s critique on the overt capitalism of today more than ever. We need to have Sabbat laugh at someone who seriously espouses “Conservatism is the new Punk” before slitting their throat.
We need the degenerate edgelords back.

I know this might be a stupid question, but is it possible for a demon to possess make a body of its own? Like for example using lore of flesh or transfiguration to create a body out of existing bio or chemical material? Or should they always be like parasites occupying human bodies?

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>>97735469
Sorry senpai, this is the best I can do.

>>97734650
Cant tell if hyperbolic or retarded

God I want to hollow out hedgefag and stuff him full of fluff, turning him into a pillow.

>>97735550
Not really known, but most likely that'd just result in an otherwise fallen who doesn't have much insulation from his torment (Like, Virtues at 0), since there's no human soul to shake them out of their hatred and agony.

>>97735550
No it needs to be human. you can't possess a animal after all

earthbounds have figured out how to possess a moving doll body with the servitor power and they can teach it to fallen but without humanity it still just leaves you at the mercy of your torment which in game terms means you Immediately go to torment 10

>>97735610
Whichever one is implying YOU are a knuckle-dragging, straw-manning retard.

>>97735655
When did I straw man?

How do you like your villains? I write them disrespectful towards everyone, usually they're foils to the player characters.

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>>97735772
I like them in two ways:
Either a compassionate and kindhearted visionary that will make his enemies question themselves and their allegiance
Or someone who is utterly insane and evil, and enjoys every single picosecond of being a monster, like Andrei here.

>>97735772
I don't subscribe for a one-size fits all model for my villains. Eloquent and respectful has its place, as does frothing at the mouth and screaming about fucking the PCs mothers.

Unless the character was never human in the first place, I do like to make them feel multifaceted. They can be evil, almost comically so in some cases, but I want there to be depth there. I like to get into the heads of my villains and understand the way they think, even if it's repugnant or flawed. Foiling a PC or several is good, but I don't always go out of my way to set up or force that dynamic. Misread a small aspect of the PC in question and it just bounces off of them.

There's also different kinds of villains for different kinds of stories. Absolutely repugnant hate-bait villains. Coldly analytical. No self control and impulsive. Painfully overused as they are in a lot of pop culture stories, even sympathetic villains have their place.

>>97734916
>We need NOT retarded werewolfs
What's next? Dry water? Simply have the NWO process some woofs and make basically give them a lobotomy and make them true believers of Science™ (don't forget to remove any notions of Gaia or the Wyrm, spirits are not real after all)

>>97735865
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>>97734916
>We need a tribe of werewolfs that see how wrong they are about humanity
You've got the Red Talons. They see they were wrong about coexisting with the stupid bald apes and the solution is to exterminate every single one of the monkey motherfuckers for the glory of Gaia and we've never done anything wrong ever.

>>97735983
How good is this one
I've been trying to make these type of posts into sheets for a Wta20th game
The Antagonist is a bot farm that grows stronger the more products it's able to sell

>>97736006
It's allways so funny when you remember they only stopped killing humans after they wiped the floor with them
Took just silver and boom the pups ran
After that they went to kill any allys they had

>>97735221
I'm just going to genetically engineer house cats to be the size of elephants. That'll really piss off the kids.

>>97735772
Though I try not to be too samey, I've noticed that I tend towards three/four separate archetypes. Sometimes they're all in the same chronicle, other times I stick with just one.
>The embodiment of the status quo. They are in charge of the faction that the players belong to and though their power is absolute, they rarely handle business themselves and often delegate to a vast network of underlings. The faction is slowly drifting towards disaster thanks to their inaction and it's up to the players to correct the course.
>The mastermind. More of a traditional villain who is directly opposed to the players' faction but who they're unlikely to ever interact with directly. Obscenely powerful and with almost limitless resources at their disposal. Victory involves thwarting a significant scheme of theirs, rather than actually defeating them.
>The devoted lieutenant, always paired with the mastermind mentioned above. They're the one who the players will actually interact with and likely have to fight and they're slavishly dedicated to their boss, though not to the point of no return. Sometimes there's a tragic reason for their loyalty, sometimes they're misguided, sometimes they're controlled or coerced, sometimes they're played straight.
>The force of nature. Someone or something obscenely powerful in pursuit of a goal that isn't necessarily evil, but the amount of collateral damage that they cause is massive. The players need to alternate between dealing with the fallout of whatever disaster they've left in their wake, and catching up with them before they do even more damage.

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1. Mastery of the Mortal Shell
2. Dominate
3. Presence
4. Path of Corruption
Am I doing this right?

>>97736006
>Progress made - 0%
Sorry chud, only the spider can do nothing and win.

>>97736155
I need further images… to make a more honest assessment.

>>97734772
I once played a CtD Chronicle set in Seattle, if that’s what you’re asking. My personal favorite place in the setting was a Freehold that was also a strip club.

What would be some juicy blackmail for a tremere neonate? Im trying to come up with subplots that the coterie can engage in and one of them is digging up dirt on someone in the tremere so the harpy can spy on the chantry because their normal methods arent working.

>>97737318
>Juicy
Isn't as deep into the blood bond as they pretend to be
Is actually bonded to a Tremere that isn't their sire
>Juicier
Is actually bonded to a vampire from a completely different clan
Has been teaching a non-clan member the basics of Thaumaturgy
Isn't actually blood bonded to their sire
>Juiciest
Has Unbondable
Secretly studying Infernalism
In contact with the Arcanum

Are any of the VNs or CYOAs worth playing? I heard there's a Werewolf one but all the ones I'm aware of are just Vampire.

>>97737512
Don't reward Paradox.

Haven't been around WoDG for a while.

What's the consensus on some of the new books? I heard they brought back Meths in V5 but they're basically 'you cannot kill them, just survive them'. Which I suppose is par for the fiction.

>>97737642
>What's the consensus on some of the new books?
Too expensive for kindling, save money and buy newspapers.

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>>97737642
Gehenna War basically lets you have an action chronicle... what irks me is they kinda sorta have stats for the antediluvians but it could also just be a really powerful methusela. The elder and methusela powers are kinda neat.

Blood Sigils has a bunch of rituals and thinblood alchemy along with a procedure to "make your own rituals" which could be a good guide on how to retrofit other thaumateurgical paths into v5. I havent looked too far into the book personally.

Live From The Succubus Club lets you make a rockstar coterie and have essentially a d&d bard campaign. I like some of the loresheets.

>Someone post a picture of an unobfuscated Nosferatu
>“Guys, monsters are real!!!!”
The replies:
>“Nice AI slop, bro.”
>Someone deepfakes it to sing Little Girl by Oingo Boingo
>Out of his lane, dehydrated, suffering
>Bot linking to some random whore’s OnlyFans
And kids say the Masquerade couldn’t be upheld these nights.

How do you balance story plot and personal plot screentime in a VtM session? Like what should be the ratio between players together dealing with whatever bullshit you threw into the setting vs. players taking turns alone interacting with NPCs that interest them and advancing their personal goals? Should these scenarios each have their dedicated sessions instead of happening on the same session?

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https://www.pcgamesn.com/troika-werewolf-game
Troika doing a werewolf game would have been fucking cinema. This sucks.

What's your character's theme? You did pick out a song that represents your character's concept and personality, didn't you?

>>97737512
>vtm
Night Road and Parliament of Knives are considered the best and are actually really good, though some anons on here don't like Night Road. You should research the scenario a bit before you play, Night Road I think is a bit boring compared to the guy's second game but that game has its own problems. I think they're good though. You can consider the other VtM games though out for blood isn't actually VtM and I heard Sins of the Sire was pretty bad. I heard the first two New York VNs are really good but the third one is mediocre
>Werewolf
Just the one cyoa, Book of Hungry Names. It's actually really good, but it's like a 30-40 hour read with the dlc so it has kind of ass replayability. A lot of options though, decent scenario for W5 and tries to mitigate or explain away a lot of the W5 problems. As per VNs, the first one has good art but you don't do any werewolf shit until the literal last 40 minutes, the second one is worse and way too polish.
>Hunter
Two CYOA games so far, Glenkildove is kino but gets the Garou lore rather wrong (possibly on purpose.) It falls into the sympathetic monster trope too much for a Hunter game but it's actually handled very tastefully
>Hmm yes this big booba Japanese vamp has a reason for why she does what she does
>But she's still a psychotic manipulative bitch
It's good. The second one A Time of Monsters is kind of just okay. You play a Canadian hobo, the monster guys are actual monsters but the crisis of the game isn't really about monster shit going on, so it's less HtR and more like Hobo: the Ganging
>tldr the good ones are pretty interesting and good but it might be a symptom of WoD's content drought that even something 7/10 looks 10/10 when there's nothing around to compare with

>>97738110
>Femboy teashop Fairest player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgI0WnTdqyc

>>97736155
Time to learn Path of Corruption.

>>97738229
Burn the Antitribu!

>>97738222
ngl bro, this is the faggiest shit I’ve ever heard.
>Finnish progressive folk music
>Finnish
Ah, makes sense now.

>>97738238
I'm Camarilla, but the Sabbat guys are ok.

>>97738276
Don't they want to kill you all?

>>97738283
Officially, yes.
Reality is more complicated.

>>97738110
No, I didn’t originally pick a theme, but I guess this would fit him
>Hermetic bani Flambeau
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg9wICDu42g

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>Flambeau

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>>97738300
What exactly is the problem here?

>>97738305
No problem at all.
Go! Flambeauchu! Go out and fireball to the extreme.

>>97736155
Between one and five dots, Presence isn't direct mind control at all. A vampire can use it to make someone fond of them, obsessed with them, in love with them and devoted to them, but that person still gets to decide what they do when the vampire asks them to do something.

So in the context of that image, Marisa would eagerly lift her skirt when asked to by the vampire, in the hope that the vampire would fuck her, without realising how out-of-character she's behaving. Some combination of 3 and 4, I guess.

>>97737905
You decide what you want from the game and go from there, you probably should also tie the PCs connections to the main plot

>>97735865
Hang on, using werewolfs as disposable shock troops against Traditionalists or even other mutts could have some potential. Immune to paradox, pretty hard to kill, potential for installing weapons and biomods. Plenty of potential if you ask me. Of course, you'd need a means of getting rid of them once they outlive their usefulness, a forces-enhanced explosives planted inside thei brain would do just fine or some progenitor bioweapon which will turn them into a pile of goo.

>>97738243
Did I ask how closeted you were?

What ways are there to use the Prime arcanum that aren't, frankly, kind of boring? It feels pretty transparently to be the Game Mechanics Arcana past like, one example spell from the book.
I don't doubt that it's possible to use it interestingly, but the book doesn't make an interesting case for it.

Does the Mage splat, in this case ascension, have a power up form? Something like Super Saiyan, Bankai, Jinchuriki mode, etc.?

Also can mages cast spells from spheres they haven’t attained yet? SpeakerD seems to allow it at a higher difficulty but I don’t know if it’s just him allowing it or the rules.

>>97740276
There are a few ways you can achieve a "super mode" in Mage, like using Life to boost your attributes or Prime to enchant your own pattern to deal aggravated damage, there are also a couple of rotes that give you specific powered up forms, the revised Euthanatos book has one that let's you turn into a giant, six armed demi-god but obviously that sort of thing takes a lot of spheres

>>97740276
There's no default form, but it's possible for a mage to design a rote that serves as a transformation into their power-up form. The specifics are entirely up to you though, depending on what you want the power-up form to be. The Spheres required depend entirely on what you want to the transformation to involve, but Life is almost certainly a requirement.

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I recently searched for online games of VtM. What the fuck happened? How did this game turn into a hugbox filled with faggots?
It's surprising this turned from a game that had a "how to do rape scenes" with the Sabbath splat to "no rape", "no child kindred", "no racism", "no homophobia", "no torture", "no mental illness".
I'll just stick with playing with my irl group of friends, but it sucks that playing online is so neutered.

>>97737905
Speaking from experience, you gotta keep the players on a short leash when it comes to 1 on 1 scenes. Vampire Balkanization is a real problem that can occur. At the same time, the way your typical VtM game plays out does encourage the sorts of complicated plans that might require a lot of talking to NPCs.

My advice to balance those things is to treat the personal, one PC scenes as a sort of "upkeep" done at the beginning and end of sessions. Do not go into the same detail as you might in other scenes, and if the player is trying to drag the conversation out so they can indulgently RP, have the NPC need to go. I'd also say just make it clear that nobody wants to spend an hour sitting around watching one PC jerk themselves off. Make all major plot hooks whole coterie. Keep solo scenes moving, 15 minutes or more.

>>97740193
Prime has always been the metamagic sphere/arcanum. If you want a spell that detects or interacts with magic in any shape or form, you need Prime. This means that it's less flavorful than other spheres/arcana, but a mage without any dots in Prime is going to be very vulnerable to other mages.
Simultaneously, a mage specialized in Prime is going to be fantastic at dealing with mages, but is going to eat shit against against most threats that aren't mage.
If you really want to make it interesting, then a character who focuses on Prime is probably going to be a character with greater interest in the inner workings of magic and unravelling how it all works.

>>97740442
The times change. The alt, counterculture, "outcasts" of the past were broadly edgy and irreverent. They often did the opposite of what they believed the "man" was for. As culture changed, some of the things they were into became more accepted, others weren't. The "hugbox faggots" decided to claim WoD for themselves because its creators were left-leaning (30 years ago) and more importantly because it's cool with the gays and horniness. Also, because you're playing "as the villain", which can either let you enact your twisted fantasies on strawmen of people you don't like, or play the oppressed victim that's hated because you drink people's blood.

TL;DR: Culture has changed, and even if you might agree with them on some points, people enter echo chambers that make them more extreme and they get angry whenever they see something they don't like being depicted. Even if it's being depicted as a vile act.

>>97740540
It's unfortunate. The culture shift has heavily affected videogames and the TTRPG sphere.
I found that when it came ot D&D 5th edition, online circles had basically no hope.
Has the same sad fate befallen VtM? Are there still pockets of grim and edgy online experience?

>>97740579
I'm sure such players exist, but finding them on mainstream platforms won't be easy. It's the result of the internet, much like vidya and tabletop, going from the fringe to the mainstream.

Also, and I think this is pertinent, publicly accessible online games are generally the bottom of the barrel. Because everyone who could find a good or even adequate group already has? Even noobs will have the group that got them into the hobby.

>>97740637
You speak truth, perhaps I should lurk for some niche discord servers or ask some of my friends if they know of them.

>publicly accessible online games are generally the bottom of the barrel. Because everyone who could find a good or even adequate group already has? Even noobs will have the group that got them into the hobby.
It's understandable, but it's still a sad outcome, because you can always get more joy out of seeing a new style of playing, trying out new groups, moving out of your comfort bubble.
I'm happy with the group I'm running with my friends and we have enjoyable experiences each time we play... but I guess I'm a bit greedy hahaha.

>>97740686
No problem anon. What's your group running currently?

>>97740737
We are running are four sessions into a Dark Sun campaign, recently finished a despair filled six hour one shot of V20 (mixed with revised edition supplements) and I'm going to be the DM/Storyteller for an LA current days chronicle.
What about your group, anon?

>>97739105
>Gets offended
>Goes “no u”
Even for a fag like you, accusing someone of being gay is the greatest insult you can think of kek

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Yeah, right now I’m idea crafting a magical girl PC. I’m inspired by Gushing Over Magical Girls. The heroines have unlocked super forms called La Verita once they have confronted their inner turmoil. Picrel is the super form of Magia Sulfur, Blitz Engel.

>>97740385
I’d be interested to learn them all!

>>97740407
Besides a powerful boost in magical power, and possibly doing spells that I wouldn’t normally be able to use… right now I currently have nothing in mind. Nothing specific.

>>97740822
>Besides a powerful boost in magical power, and possibly doing spells that I wouldn’t normally be able to use…
Unfortunately, I'd say that's probably the hardest sort of boost in power to achieve using magic. The easiest way of accomplishing this would be to use an effect to enhance abilities, and then use those enhanced abilities to enhance effects.

>>97740779
Changeling the Lost set in Victorian London. I've got some one-shots chambered for if we ever have to take a by-week because someone's gotta miss that week for Vampire and Dark Heresy. The latter of which I might be running after Changeling is done, but idk when Changeling will be over.

Also if I want to imitate Tres Magia and form a group of magical girls (possibly not from other players), and a mascot too, what’s the best option? The three options I have for the teammates are:
1) Supernatural Companion + Ally, 7 points merit + 1 or 2 dot bg, shares the same Avatar rating, has meta knowledge useful to you
2) Twin Souls + Ally, 4 points merit + 1 or 2 dot bg, shares avatar and has bonus when combined with PC, can sense them and have mental conversations
3) Ally, easiest option and costs no freebies but has no other advantage

>>97740886
Yeah that’s also why I asked about casting spells of spheres above yours

>The easiest way of accomplishing this would be to use an effect to enhance abilities, and then use those enhanced abilities to enhance effects.
I don’t get it? How does it go?

>>97741111
Let's say that your character's magical girl transformation uses Life to significantly boost her Dexterity.
Then let's say that she wants to bewitch an enemy into taking no action using a Mind effect, supported by some magical girl interpretive dancing.
With an okay from her ST, she can roll Dexterity + Art to reduce the difficulty of the effect by the number of successes she rolls.
Because of her magically enhanced Dexterity, she will be rolling a lot more dice than usual on that roll to reduce the effect's difficulty.

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>>97738110
I've picked:
>Oingo Bongo - Only a Lad for Rowdy Lasombra Gangster
>BOC- Veteran of the Psychic Wars for Fidgety Malkavian Historian
>NIN - Reptile for Lecherous Setite Priest
Still need a song for the Sensualist Tzimisce Pornstar I'm solo playing.

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>dude racks up a 3-digit killcount
>while looking like this
>somehow doesn't get spotted and swatted in a world where every corner has at least one CCTV camera
>the players have to get involved for him to nbe stopped
Can someone explain?

>>97741385
Is this the new pasta?

>>97741313
Ah alright!

>>97741385
>>97731632
>>97731692
>>97732477

>>97741385
his winning smile keeps convincing the jury that he is innocent

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>>97734936
6 gorillion dollars to the Progenitors, make it happen.

>>97741385
From 6 years of experience as a cop it's shocking how many cameras people have that only film but don't record
1-16 is about the average

>>97741385
The Chicago Strangler got up to 55 confirmed and 75 probable kills before he was (possibly) caught in 2021, all during the post-9/11 era.

>>97736006
>He says before his Verbena gf pegs him

VtM to VtR 2e fan conversion anon here. As promised, here's the 1.1 version. In addition to fixing some mistakes that slipped through the cracks and old rules from previous playtests that had stuck in, most of the update is additional content, namely but not exhaustively
>Revenants (somehow weren't in the 1.0, my apologies).
>True Faith
>Some Setite Sorcery
>Ports of Requiem Gargoyles and Pseudovampires and advice on how to include them.
>Dhampir

https://mega.nz/folder/LhYTUD7b#cRDFTcMXSB_2TjD7eJoE5Q
This Mega link should be able to function in perpetuity unlike the previous GoFile link. Hope you all enjoy.

>>97741958
ah neat. nice start for the weekend

thanks anon

>>97741958
Thanks for the update,

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>>97741958
God damn we are eating good tonight. Thanks anon. If I weren't broke and struggling to make rent I'd ask you for a patreon or something. Maybe you could upload it to STV so a few bucks fall your way?

>God I want to hollow out hedgefag and stuff him full of fluff, turning him into a pillow.
concerned

>>97741562
>>97741691
Are you for real?

>>97741691
>>97742561
>Chicago Strangler
Illinois police just didn't give a fuck. they only started a investigation after 51 unsolved murders because of protests

like we don't even know if there was ever even a serial killer or not because they just arrested one guy who they could pin one murder on (and failed to pin a second case on) and called it solved

>>97741977
>>97741997
>>97742399
You're all welcome.

I checked out STV, and from what I read it unfortunately is in violation of one of their rules. This was like half a year ago but I'm pretty sure they said translation guides were verboten. It's fine, I've got other projects unrelated to this that I will hopefully have more time to work on now.

>>97742697
>I'm pretty sure they said translation guides were verboten.
...why?

>>97734709
I have heard furry ecoterrorist and superheroes with fangs, but I haven't heard edgy Kamen Rider before

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>>97742713
They do not give an answer, they simply say you can't. It IS weirdly worded, though. But they specifically call out the translation guides under "At this time you cannot publish the following material".

https://help.storytellersvault.com/hc/en-us/articles/12780342689943-Content-Guidelines#h_01HJ272PB8M91RY4SWYZRMFDEK

>>97734936
This looks a lot less fuckable somehow

>>97742792
probably because no one talks about DtR

>>97735103
>average spiral interaction with humans being rape and murder
I don't know about that anon

>>97741958
>https://mega.nz/folder/LhYTUD7b#cRDFTcMXSB_2TjD7eJoE5Q
TYVM anon! Been a while since I looked forward to a release like this.

>>97733980
How would you storytellers handle a marauder (or maybe just an orphan) who Awakened™ via AI psychosis?

>>97743312
Via what?

>>97743407
You know, talking with an "AI" until it drives the person crazy. It's all the rage these days.

A lot of the chatbots are just trained to affirm and echo whatever the user says to give them a pleasant experience

>>97743312
>>97743417
I think an easy way is that this guy imagines the AI developed a personality and then that leads him to think that he's also an AI (self-aware) in a simulation somewhere that's made up by another AI so life essentially is currently an ouroboros of AI that he hopes to transcend past (or maybe not, he's a marauder after all)

>>97740789
>Thinks I was offended about my bisexual Spring Court Fairest Mirrorskin who's literally supernaturally beautiful having a song that fits him well called "faggy"
Nah, it was because you're trying too hard to tell yourself you can't like anything that might be "faggy." That insecurity is a nasty crutch.

>>97743581
>Still butthurt HOURS later
Unc, you're just embarrassing yourself.

Thanks drawfag for the Dark City rec. Fun movie, great aesthetics.

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>>97743312
I'm no storyteller, not yet at least, but I'd say you could go with something simple and say that the person gets convinced of the AI being a demonic entity or some shit produced by arcane patterns in the circuitry and programming. He wills so hard that he schizos past what the AI would even re-affirm, and then forcefully convinces the AI he actually IS correct through his awakening warping the very nature of the AI into some horrific demonic computer tulpa.

>that time was anon was elected "best ass in elysium"

>>97743702
>Projecting about who's butthurt

>>97743813
I was perfectly fine to let bygones be bygones, but than you just had go and voice your offense that ANYONE could find the perfectly selected song for supernaturally "beautiful" fagling anything but "beauty".
Well, I'm gonna cut the bullshit, bucko. The song sucks, I don't know if that band is popular in Finlandistan, but here in the First World, we listen to actual music. Music that's actually good, shocking as that may be to you.

>>97743846
Just ignore the troll, he's obviously baiting you. Stop taking their shitposts seriously.

>>97738110
>Zantosa revenant that concerns himself with:
>ghoulmaxxing
>killing shit because muh Path of Orion
>handling shit for his masters
>being a Good Lad

Either Scattle - Remorse or Ween - Blue Balloon

>>97741374
How about Mr Bungle's, "The Girls of Porn"

Drawfag again, I did a little sketch of Harold Zettler tonight. I find that most of his art is strikingly disappointing for how awesome of a character he is. So I went nuts trying to capture the mental image I have of him. Hope you enjoy! More Technocrat update soon-ish.

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Oops, forgot the picture of Zettler, sorry.

>>97743913
He looks trustworthy.

>>97743906
>>97743913
>Both an agent of Malkav and the Wyrm
Who's the one really pulling the strings?

>>97743945
>implying

>>97743846
>Full retard getting absolutely buttblasted because someone likes music he doesn't get

>>97743851
The actual shitposting troll didn't need to make the snide comment to begin with, but hey, here we are.

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>>97743973
>>97743978
>Resorting to "this song doesn't suck, you just don't 'get it'"
Oh brother.

>>97743913
Zettler is just another example of White Wolf injected unwanted WtA and CtD and other Wieckslop into VtM.

>>97743996
Sorry it's not Nickleback like you'd prefer.

>>97744002
>CtD
Isn’t Zettler a Malkavian who is also a Pentex higher-up? How does Dreaming factor into this?

>>97738110
>BSD theurge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uREig9-hGwA
>Nephandi skinhead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8LCc74X9Sg
>Ferectoi retrieval specialist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7fDyGxEf7M

>>97744122
Why are you such an edgelord? All you're missing is a Sabbat priest

>>97744035
It's bait silly.

>>97742561
It's 100% bullshit and 100% real
People assume that there's a camera on every corner but that's far from the truth and if they are they are It's probably not working,fake or are only showing live footage with no recording
And if the stars align why would a donut shop store 7 terabytes of the past 3 weeks when nothing happened to them?
Don't even want to talk about the people who want a warrant for every single fucking thing ever

In Deviant can you entangle multiple scars into one Variation?

>>97744417
Thinking back I don't think I've ever actually played a Sabbat character, though I did play a Lasombra antitribu once many many years ago.

>>97743906
The Union awaits further updates, do not dissapoint.

>>97744539
>In Deviant can you entangle multiple scars into one Variation?
No.

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>>97744483
>Don't even want to talk about the people who want a warrant for every single fucking thing ever
Fuck you copper, this is my own private domicile and I will not be harassed!

>>97744539
You need Standard Deviations like Indelible Mark from the core book, or Twined Scar from Shallow Graves for that sort of thing.

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you know for a World of Darkness™, there doesn't seem to be a lot of crossover between the fluffs of the various games, almost like they're their own separate universes. the only exception I could find is the mere existence of Clan/House Tremere. You'd think their would be a Gangrel Vampire that studies and influences the werewolf packs, a Mage accidentally stumbling into Arcadia, or some other meta-plotline that solely exist the make the world of darkness actually AN INTERCONNECTED WORLD of darkness. but no. even Hunters don't go really deep into this despite being the one built around HUMANS WHO HUNT SUPERNATURALS.

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Proud of myself, I can use a Vampire NPC from a previous campaign as the same NPC in the current Hunter game. Why would you Hunters want to stake me when I've not done anything to you? Wouldn't you like me to bankroll your Slasher hunt, and help you keep the town clean? Real Mekhet hours.

>>97745842
World of Darkness™ couldn't pick a lane. It's not that there's a single consistent stance of completely separate settings or properly unified settings, it's that they kept waffling back and forth on what approach to take. For example, you have Midnight Circus, a book where there's representatives from every single splat that existed when that book came out all stuck in an X rated version of the circus from Something Wicked This Way Comes by Ray Bradbury.

You also have the core books building other supernatural creatures with their own rules which to be fair is a based choice that allows players to throw in other monsters without being forced to homebrew or shill out the money for a game they'd never play on their own .

It was something being toyed with as early as first edition, back when they were still giving Wraith the working title of Ghost, they had an idea to keep the lines somewhat separated so they wouldn't be bound by each other and could go into their relative strengths deeper. Which of course created a self-fulfilling prophecy, because then yeah when lines were made with little to no consideration of previous lines, of course they don't mesh well. However, I will nitpick and say that Clan Tremere wasn't even a mage tie in originally. It was an Ars Magica reference. Mage then also included the Order of Hermes from Ars Magica... which created so many lore problems. The Tremere were created from a very different idea of what wizards would look like.

>>97745864
I fucking love tie-in characters between campaigns so much bro, I get it.

Unfortunately my group likes historical period piece games too much, so vampires are way too overrepresented.

>>97745922
That's always the hard bit with Vampires I find, a core part of their appeal for me is that they are immortal. But running a game like that would be a nightmare logistically speaking, as timeskips would be so convoluted and involved. Unless you just do "You all go into torpor at the same time" and then wake them up in the future (ish).

>>97745888
>Clan Tremere wasn't even a mage tie in originally. It was an Ars Magica reference. Mage then also included the Order of Hermes from Ars Magica... which created so many lore problems. The Tremere were created from a very different idea of what wizards would look like.
the far weirder stuff that nobody is talking about is when Cliffe (who also wrote parts of the original 1e mage corebook, book of crafts etc) tried to make arsmagica have crossover with mage (and ctd) with his "Realm of Reason" which was based on scholarship that gave you "True Reason" akin to True faith that weakened the other realms making you a proto 1e technocraft (who had control over paradox spirits and the like)

this made no sense in ars magica at all where magic was alway a field of study and medival superstition was true in a way it wasn't even in wod and cause entire fanbase to revolt to the point where they sold the game

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>>97745864
>Why would you Hunters want to stake me when I've not done anything to you? Wouldn't you like me to bankroll your Slasher hunt, and help you keep the town clean?
The Hunter in question:

>>97745974
Lmao.

>>97745888 (witnessed)
>>97745922 (not related but also witnessed)
>>97745974
>Ars Magica
>Look it up
>Medieval Europe but FANTASY
oooh, interesting

>>97736155
4>1/3>2

>>97745842
The different games have distinct themes and moods that aren't particularly compatible with each other. Each of these games also has its own fans and while Vampire the Masquerade has the most by far, there are still plenty of people who prefer other games and don't want to deal with Vampire stuff in their Werewolf or Mage game.
Would overlap, crossover and interplay be worth the homogenisation of these games in order to make them more compatible with each other, thereby watering down their stand-alone appeal?

>>97746163
Thaumaturgy wins again.

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>learning about the basic lore of Werewolves after previous thread discussion
>replace the goth/punk vampires and biblical undertones with metalcore anarchist junkies fighting Texaco with a touch of environmentalism and Native American nature worship
>literally those cringe ass "I'm a wolf in the body of a man" type shit in tabletop form
>even got it's own fucking (mid) video game adaption
that was cringier than I thought it'd be
>>97746260
>different moods
>having them at least acknowledging each other's existences is considered "dumbing down and homogenizing the standalone games"
that's an incredibly dumb excuse, if you wanted them to be separate, don't put them in the same umbrella (of darkness™). especially when there are multiple super-secret super-power super-societies, that all run the world equally apparently (the Camarilla, Technocracy, Pentex technically)

>>97746465
>at least acknowledging each other's existences
They do.
Your comment about how cringe werewolves are compared to vampires literally supports my argument. Vampire the Masquerade clashes a lot with Werewolf the Apocalypse and vice versa, forcing them to crossover more than they already do would only harm the appeal of both in the eyes of each game's core fans.

>>97745842
You're supposed to pick and chose the elements you like most when doing crossovers. Splats were never supposed to share a universe and you can't convince me otherwise.

any of your guys have playlists for vtm that aren't just the video game osts? not saying they can't be in there, but you know

>>97746687
There is no one-playlist-fits-all, just pick a genre for each situation:
Elysium: jazz, modern classical
driving: synthwave
walking: gothic rock
haven: post-punk, art rock
club: EDM
fighting: darksynth, your favorite subgenre of metal
spooky places: dark ambient
elder's domain: baroque

>>97746465
>literally those cringe ass "I'm a wolf in the body of a man" type shit in tabletop form
If you’re playing as a Lupus, maybe.

>>97746128
I heard Ars kind of got shafted in between editions as well. But yeah, it's *almost* a prequel to DA Mage

>>97746465
>cringier that I thought it'd be
Anon, the Wolf cringe IS part of the appeal. You don't have to go full in but it's part of the roleplay. You can be a reasonable Garou sure, and some packs probably are less cringe than others but the entirety of Garou nation (by extension of being traditionalists) are cringe so if you want to get anything in the larger scale you will need to partake in the cringe. I do find that because of the combat focus and playing more so furry murder tanks it's not as heavy into the RP (which is the main inducer of cringe) than something ala Changeling. Changeling is cringe, but it's based.

>>97746755
Walking MUST include the Bloodlines OST. Schaffer really transcended his skill with that soundtrack

>>97743913
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>>97746465
I want to heal Silver.

>>97746465
Oh wow, rare that I get to see a fellow bloodlines baby go through the same thoughts I did.

I do agree with you. Most if not all of the other oWoD games won't appeal to you, or at least not enough to merit playing. Yes it's dumb they all share an IP called "WORLD OF DARKNESS" when they made little to no effort to harmonize the gamelines and build a functional setting.

Let me save you a whole lot of arguing on the internet. You can't change it, not officially anyway. You want to create a world of darkness that fits your sensibilities? Go for it. You can homebrew it up. I also have unironically found some of the nWoD games to gel better with Vampire: the Masquerade than the oWoD lines do. Give em a look.

>>97743913
That's my boss :)

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I'm gonna ask again the question in >>97741111 and the second question in >>97740276 about using effects from spheres above yours

Should also talk about the mascot. I guess it'd be the Avatar? So I guess one would need the Manifest Avatar merit too?

>>97747010
You can't fix her, just like you can't fix 99% of Deadlock girls (not the boys though, they're already fixed)

>>97747019
I think you anons would probably change your tune if we were fortunate enough to get Troika's adaptation of other splats before they went under. You have a fair point though, WoD is more like an IP the way Dungeons and Dragons is. All the splats may as well be their own setting, sharing a theme that it's the real world just with all the bad shit dialed up to 12

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>>97746687
I have a copy of the OG.
Other than that I have a tradition of putting on early Powerwolf when running WtA and In Extremo when running DAV. >>97746755 is an idea I've tried in other games and honestly I found trying to be a DJ and a GM at the same time too distracting. I prefer using an album I can just put on and hit play.

>>97746687
Literally just play shit goth/emo girls listened too in the late 90s-to-early 00s
https://youtu.be/t9u_DPVL2v0

>>97747054
No, I am a Kelvin main, I want to heal her, not fix her.

>>97747081
Don't feed the troll.

>>97747081
>I think you anons would probably change your tune if we were fortunate enough to get Troika's adaptation of other splats

I'll respectfully have to disagree. Much as I felt that Bloodlines did a good job of showing a best of VtM, it's still a flawed game and my favorite vs. least favorite parts of it tracked to what I liked and disliked about the wider setting when I dug into it. For example, I found the Kuei-Jin to be the game's weak point. Uninteresting and uncompelling antagonists, what was good about Chinatown was in spite of, not because of them. Getting into the tabletop my dislike followed through but was only more extreme. Same for what I liked, with the only notable exception being the Ventrue. Since LaCroix doesn't give you a good impression of them.

If your dislike comes down to core themes, ideas, and setting fixtures, no amount of good execution can make you totally come around to it.

>>97747347
You can do neither anon, unfortunately. She heals herself (and then damages herself)

>>97744483
>Don't even want to talk about the people who want a warrant for every single fucking thing ever
ACAB

>>97747861
Versus the "tread on me, daddy" MAGA tyoes.

>>97747876
You have some interesting fetishes

Wonderful discussion. It is however off topic entirely and getting dangerously close to /pol/ territory.

>>97747943
Yeah sorry like I said as a cop It's personal me
Won't do it again

>>97747947
It's cool man. The insight on crimes and public surveilance from someone in the know is appreciated.

Was mostly talking about the people bringing up ACAB and MAGA.

>>97746687
No, I only have one playlist and of I cannot be bothered to split that up in not making a whole other thing for a game.

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>>97747943
Sounds like a plot to sow discord amongst anons. I wonder who would do such a thing...

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So the Coterie just killed Sigismund, The Pope, and the Head of the Inquisition shortly after they declared a crusade on vampires. The Inquisition got a shower of pope blood, and are now outfitted with a 5 dot holy relic.

The inquisition is now going door to door in Prague dragging vampires into the street to meet the sun, and they've set up a holy blockade to keep anyone from fleeing the city. I am a bit at a loss for where to take the game from here.

>>97747897
It's not me who's really into licking boots.

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>>97745158
Meanwhile, in Japan...

>>97748039
Good luck

>>97748039
>put the coterie in a position to kill the pope in the first place

Enjoy your althist chronicle bro.

>>97747965
My fault for getting mad

Was given my first wod book Vtm20th by telling a hobby shot some of my experiences with the worst of people
And have to say that Pentex's comical evil happens every day while many believe actual fictional evil is systemic

A condensed explanation of would be most people live under pop culture
Multiple people I've talk with genuinely belive we have satellite camera that can track you in real time
That if a person has a gun you can shoot it out of their hands
If a person is going to stab you shoot the legs
Life is like a Marvel movie to these people in about every way
Am example of comically evil would be this week
A restaurant that served maggot infested fish and chicken that when confronted said
>The heat kills any possible sickness

2021 a Chinese place served rice and meat stolen from a food bank

2024 Had a death ring for homeless people that would be paid 2k per fight
Items I personally saw
Brass knuckles with sheet metal claws soldered on missing 2 blades
Chest plate made of duck tape, wall insulation and a metal sheet
Reusable spear made from a paring knife screwable cap and threaded steel pipe
Don't know what was inside but there was also 7 Milwaukee brand tool boxes that contained the rest of the contraband
Nobody besides the homeless people were arrested due to lack of evidence

I'd prefer the simple evil of a monster than real people
If you have any questions feel free to ask

>>97748165
Apologizing for my typos really burnt out from my shift

>>97748165
… I know that I wanted answers to my questions about magical girls, but now I’m morbidly curious. Got more stories and/or more details about those you talked about?

Which splat will let me goon on it sexual style?

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>>97748117
Well by martyring the pope, one guy with 5 faith, they created a small army of guys with 5 faith with the whole papal shower thing. The jist of the game was that Sigismund knew vampires were real, but his only "Proof" was the bewitching of his royal jailer. I didn't want to do just an asspull, and say "Nuh uh god stops you. on your 7 successes at diff 9"


The game was supposed to be the Coterie trying to cover up evidence of vampiric activity, and pull a frame job on Sigismund to make him seem crazy, but one of the party members decided they wanted to be a kingslayer.

>>97748112
Well I figured since we basically had the players roll for all of the NPCs of each of their clans, to see how many of them got to see the sunrise/killed for refusing to get a tan. So that was certainly a good wrap up to that session, and I figure the coterie themselves making their haven raid roll at the start of the next session, and escaping Prague, or finding somewhere to bury themselves for a long nap is a good way to wrap up the game to possibly pick up after the inquisition dies down in a few hundred years.

>>97748220
In general the worst stories would get me a ban because to how graphic they are
Which wouldn't be unwarranted
Off the top of my head for the first one

The restaurant serving rotten food had bags and dried leftovers from fast food scattered around both the kitchen and management desk
Bugs in the sink,fryers,alcohol bottles, stove
Utensils placed on a pan that had a black line of an unknown substance
Microwave looked like a popcorn ceiling
Mayo tub was left out on a shelf with speckled dots and a line of grease flowing down the lip, label browned from exposeer to the kitchen
That's about everything I saw on the surface
Got the call from my state to book the owner and question staff
I'll get to the next ones after dinner

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>>97748236
Changeling.
Princess, probably.

If a woof heals all non-agg damage at the beginning of every turn while in warform, how do you even capture one when you can't set up an ambush while they're in some other form?

>>97748117
isn't any chronicle going to end up alt-hist anyway if you incorporate real politics into it? I see no reason not to do funny shit like that if you can right for it or if it's a one-off chronicle

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>>97748485
My group did a multi-stage mortals campaign that started in the Eastern Roman Empire that culminated in arresting Constantine for Treason and Heresy, then played descendants of those characters in a few points in time after that, with the "real campaign" point happening in modern times with a Roman Empire that never fell and its primary enemies being the Kievan Khanate, while we were in the New Rome colonial states that are the US in the RL timeline.

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>>97747054
>can't fix 99% of Deadlock girls
There isn't anything bad about her is it?

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>>97733980
Can anyone tell me from which book is this image from?

>>97748549
Convention Book: Syndicate
Think about that next you see someone online posting that they want a goth gf.

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Drawfag back again with more Technocrat! Next update will be for the Chulorviah. I added some new elements, and fleshed out the Technocratic "uniform" some more.

>>97748802
love the oldschool deus ex vibes

>>97748806
I find it somewhat saddening that a lot of art has the Technocrats dressed like some regular contemporary dickheads. I think they deserve some more gravitas and style!

>>97748802
Damn this looks pretty good

>>97748812
Thanks man! Glad you like it!

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>>97748811
i think it's fine for like the NWO and syndicate, but i fully agree the rest should look more cyberpunk

and to be honest i think this is my favorite art of yours and i already really liked your lasombra (for much of the same reason as these guys way too often look like guys in suits or total idiots)
but i said deus ex before but looking more at this this guy gives me flashbacks to alot of the games of my childhood from the brotherhood of nod in CC to systemshock. in like the best way

i really missed this aesthetic and i didn't even know it

>>97748836
>i think it's fine for like the NWO and syndicate
I'm definitely biased to my own little idiosyncratic mental image, but I think even those guys should LOOK like wizards, albeit cold, creepy technological ones. If for not other fact than it's a case of show versus tell. How do you know a character is a wizard? Well, he wears robes with big collars obviously.
In my future Mage pieces, I fully intend to draw the Traditions similarly. Everyone gets robes! I already decided, and it's in my Bane Child piece, that Nephandi all wear cloaks with hoods.
Though this interpretation of mine has no lore backing, I still like it for style reasons.
>to be honest i think this is my favorite art of yours
Thanks! It's my first time dipping into Mage proper, in terms of artwork.
>i already really liked your lasombra
Did I ever post the final version of that one? I can't remember. But I agree, unironically unless the text TOLD me what half the art was, I would have no way of picking up that the Lasombra are darkness-worshipping vampires.

As far as Deus Ex goes, yep a lot of that is intentional. And, as I mentioned in the last thread, the Dark City is where I drew a lot of my visual inspiration. I like the idea of Technocrats silently creeping around among the crowds, doing their weird and sinister technomagic and being generally unnerving.

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>>97748836
This was the Nephandi in question, on the right side of the image there.

>>97748165
>Reusable spear made from a paring knife screwable cap and threaded steel pipe
Hey some respect to the Bone Gnawer Klaive

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this is the kind of shit hermetics send you and then say you are just friends

>>97748958
Is she hot?

>>97748085
>Average CtL origin story

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>>97749002
I mean, it's a good example of a very fast durance.

>>97748802
>Least vulgar Iteration X member

>>97748454
You shoot the shit out of them or somehow pump them full of really powerful tranqs. Or you get something silly like that bit (Book of the Weaver) were a bunch of rent-a-cops managed to knock one out some rookie GW with their pistols.

>>97748454
The same way you capture anyone when you're unable to take them by surprise and they're able to prepare, by overpowering them.
Of course this is next to impossible with werewolves in their war forms, as straightforward combat is supposed to be exactly where werewolves in their war forms excel.

>>97748117
My players assassinated Thatcher. As soon as you incorporate actual history and politics in your game you open the door up to it becoming alt-history, go wild and enjoy it.

>>97749541
I have fun with it while keeping to history by giving reasons they aren't truly dead
It's funny to have my players realize that Elvis might be harder to kill than the expected
>His soul passes onto the best impersonator alive
But you can easily spot when he has taken a new body by diet and weight gain

>>97748454
>If a woof heals all non-agg damage at the beginning of every turn while in warform
In what edition did they heal this fast?

>>97748454
>How do you [anything] werewolf
Silver bullet lodged into the flesh. They can avoid agg damage by shifting into breed form but they also can't regenerate quickly in breed form which makes them much easier to knock out with some kind of tranquilizer (Unless they have resist toxin which is piss easy to get).

Optionally, avoid all of that and hold their family hostage for information instead, pay some mercs using a business alias to do the dirty work for you.

>>97749643
Well, an Angel was charged with protecting Maggie so it's possible that she's not all as dead as she may have first appeared.

>>97749739
I just interpreted it as the guy misinterpreting "regenerate a bashing or lethal health level every turn" as "regenerate all bashing or lethal damage every turn."

Storyteller system health levels aren't intuitive for people who are only familiar with hit point systems.

>>97749739
>>97750059
It's from Forsaken 2nd edition

>>97750059
Most editions you need to roll to heal while in combat too, it's only automatic out of combat.

>>97748454
Tranquilizers can only be soaked if you have Resist Toxin and aren't healed by normal woof regeneration. Admittedly, Resist Toxin is an extremely common gift. Also the rules for them were only ever actually printed in the Pentex book IIRC.

>>97750077
I thought it was all damage that isn't Silver or from a Bane? You can feed a Gauru form through a woodchipper (if you're lucky) and they'll come out the other end intact.

>>97750099
I don't know about Forsaken, but this was never a thing in Apocalypse.

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>>97750120
Misremembered, it is just all Lethal and Bashing. Uratha chads rise up.

>>97750099
The healing is for bashing and lethal, but I think there's another rule that says only silver, supernatural attacks and rollover counts as aggravated in war form (when normally stuff like radiation would also count).

>>97750130
That is nuts (and probably one of the reasons my ST picked Apocalypse).

>>97750077
If we're going with Werewolf the Forsaken, then you need to remember that the war form has a strict time limit before the werewolf goes into a death rage, so the werewolf is either going to slip out of it before the point of no return, or they're going to inevitably going a murderous kill-everything rampage.

So for Werewolf the Forsaken werewolves, the correct course of action is to disengage as soon as a werewolf enters their war form and either get the fuck out of there if they go into a death rage, or re-engage if they abandon their war form, having wasted it for the scene.

>>97748802
socials?

>>97750138
That's the one yeah, the formatting in White Wolf books is so god damn terrible.
>>97750173
Yeah, Gauru is meant for the killing blow. All the other forms prime the victim and then you hulk out and rip them to pieces with Gauru.

>>97748454
>>97750077
Capturing a werewolf (forma del uratha) in direct combat isn't really on the table. Maybe you could wrestle one if you had high enough strength + brawl and abused the fairly unbalanced grappling rules, but then you have the problem of how to keep it captured after you pin it. I don't think a reasonable ST would let you then carry the one ton, wriggling, fluffy shit brickhouse to a reinforced titanium and concrete box.

What you want to do is engage in perfidy. (or use a supernatural power that lets you move them through space or fuck with their mind, but with no specified splat I'm sticking to normal human options.) Use a shitload of tranquilizers (just make sure it takes effect before the death rage).

Alternatively, if you've got a reasonable way to run up the clock long enough to not die horribly, bait the death rage. While death raging, they're dumb and easily led into a trap. That trap would need to be strong, but to be fair, assuming no gifts/merits that modify it, you're usually only looking at 5-7 strength on a gauru form woof. If you can get them into a tough enough cage, it should be able to hold for the entire rage.

>>97749872
>Well, an Angel was charged with protecting Maggie
Yeah, a fallen one.

>>97741958
>VtM to VtR 2e fan conversion anon here. As promised, here's the 1.1 version. In addition to fixing some mistakes that slipped through the cracks and old rules from previous playtests that had stuck in, most of the update is additional content, namely but not exhaustively

Quick question, how does autofire work on Prometheus' Lash (Lure of Flames)? How much vitae do you have to spend to use Short/Medium/Range autofire?

>>97750663
Ah, autofire applies its usual dice bonuses/multi-target attacks as per the default.

Wall of Flame, which lets you use autofire (using the standard rules of adding bonus dice on a single target or attack multiple with a dice penalty) when making Prometheus' Lash attacks shouldn't change the vitae cost, which is equal to the damage mod you want for the attack. So you could fire off a 2L (2A against vampires) attack for 2 Vitae. The 1WP kicker lets you make it autofire at any burst rating, but I do see the issue there. Why not always make it a long burst if it costs the same as a short or medium burst? My thinking was that a WP already adds +3 dice, so you might as well do the long burst anyhow.

I'd reconsider changing it though upon consideration. Maybe give dot 2 a fixed cost and damage and give wall of flame the kicker? Though that'd itself mean that you'd need high BP to get much use out of wall of flame in the first place. Hmm. This is frustrating.

>>97748802
Nice art. Which convention is he from? I'm betting on black(suit).

>>97750711
This has actually been pissing me off so much holy shit.

Please give other ideas or feedback but I think I'll just change it to say "can make an Autofire Long Burst" and save myself the headache rather than rewrite the power from the ground up.

>>97750711
Mechanically that's fine, I guess it's just the wording that's the issue. Autofire isn't really a type of attack but a weapon trait, which lets you pay extra for its bonus. Something like "By spending an additional 1 Willpower when using Prometheus' Lash, treat the attack as a Long Burst." would be more clear

>>97750970
Yeah, I came to a similar conclusion. Errata'd version already uploaded, that part's easy at least. God bless MEGA.

Blood Sorcery is my nemesis. So many powers to balance and go through.

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>Average Ahl-i-Batin vs Technocratic Union conflict in the modern day

>>97747053
How can that Tzigger fight in broad daylight?

>>97751539
Is Big Yahu a technocrat?

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>>97735620
>>97742429
Based

What Dot Spread would Ash Williams from Evil Dead have as a Reckoning Hunter?

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>>97751608
He achieved Azhi Dahaka and became an Ultimate Life Form™
>*Cue Slowed down "Awaken"Music

>>97749872
She lives under the
>Hitler must start WW2
Time law

>>97748165
To add to the Homeless death ring
It was set up in a small rotten warehouse that was only accessible through thick brush and wild roses acting like barbed wire
A church podium stood at the halls end with the seating being brand new benches and 4 rocking chairs
The ring was a wire cage with an audience guard of clear plastic sheets bolted to the floor
Never went past the first room so that's all I know about what it looked like but there is a back room and shed
Dried blood everywhere up to the ceiling, but no fresh blood, never found any bodies on the property
DNA came back negative
It was only discovered by a Homeless man explaining he didn't get his money and wanted to press charges
Guy was cut up bad with skin rotten from a bad fent addiction which only made it worse
Honestly nobody believed him until the supervisor went to check it out
Homeless man died soon after so it's never going to get solved unfortunately
Can't do shit which is a reoccurring statement as a cop
Makes me feel vile knowing that the ones who turned people's suffering into a sport is walking away scot free

>>97751539
So much for being the "Subtle Ones"

This is something I'd see the Taftani doing

>>97752322
Sorry for taking so long had to calm down when remembering the experience of being on site
It's a unique type of anger that really messes with you even years later

>>97751608
could be a nephandi experiment

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>>97749006
Untapped potential there. I may have to start writing something for changeling or deviant.
Also this manga is actually pretty good I'd recommend

>>97752437
>Start writing something
What?

>>97748549
Common Syndicate W. Nothing like getting your enemies to fund their extermination.

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>The Tremere Prince Ritter of Munich invited all the kindred to Elysium tonight, we all got ourselves fancy for the occasion
>The Prince is facing a war with Prince Gustav of Munich and probably about to get his teeth kicked in so he also invited two vampires from Paris to make an alliance
>My Shark, a beast unaware of politics just saw new potential friends hanging out with his new arch-nemesis, Mother Isabella.
>She is the Toreador Primogen on Humanity 10 and True Faith
>My Shark thought he could one up her with humour and hospitality, so he went to the guests of honor with a recipe he just made
>A bowl of Nachos! The tortillas were made with fingers, toes and petrified body parts. The salsa with almost liquified organs and blood
>The three toreadors are horrified, said that the Prince sucks for inviting Shark and immediately leave
>The Prince banishes Shark's daddy (Tremere side), the Sheriff
>Also want to execute Shark
>Got saved by Giovanni best friend in exchange for major boon, Shark still got kicked by fuckhuge Gargoyle out of Elysium and spilled his nachos
>Local Sabbat got even more impressed by Shark than they already were, their inside man got promoted to keeper of Elysium and we captured Shark's sire when he fled the city. Gonna feed him to Shark later

My Shark just wanted to share a bowl of nachos. The first meal that he has ever cooked...

:(

>>97752651
You know, have the gentry decide to make a bunch of anime girls, or the conspiracies making their own magical girls or something like that. I need to write it down you see

>>97738100
It would've been an entomologist's dream.

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>>97738243
Sounds like someone doesn't know how perkele things really are.

>>97753207
Guy didn't even bother to look any deeper than "it's Finnish, I hate it."

It's a side project by Nightwish songwriter/keyboardist Tuomas Holopainen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyovh9YkjrE

>>97752994
Sounds like he has a couple of kindred he needs to take revenge on

>>97750141
The main reason is that he's probably a dog-fucking furry.

>>97753464
>furry
Disgusting """people"""

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>>97753519
No lies detected.

>>97753534
Damn, when did Archie go alt-right?

>>97753455
got a whole list to snack on! His sire had a botch on a thaumaturgy roll while Shark was wrestling him, so he lost a permanent point of will power! So 7th gen at 7 WP vs Shark 8th gen but 10 WP

I also want to ruin the prince

plus in 14 exp Shark'll be able to permanently destroy anyone's willpower so everything will be on the menu!

>>97750099
>>97750138
>Come out through the other end intact
Lethal wraps around to agg and you can make a very strong claim that a woodchipper, provided it doesn't break, will deal a good bit of aggravated damage even to a war form Garou. Provided it doesn't break is a pretty big part though, I imagine feeding a 500 lb hairy dogfucker through that will probably cause some problems

>>97748522
Is that Atlantis in the middle?

>>97750476
Wouldn't, assuming you can drag a fight out long enough, a werewolf of either type pass out from exhaustion if you can force them to stay in war form without eating or resting? I imagine that would be a problem in the longer term for them

>>97752994
>local shark born to make friends forced to make enemies
Unlife can be so unfair bros

>>97733980
Holy shit i just finished reading these threads and i can just tell you how much i enjoyed reading these as a collaborative creative exercise that is related to the world of darkness.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97090196/
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97226968/
Whoever wrote D.Gray i want you to know that your early writting reminded me a lot of the early chapters of Dracula so i can attest that it was on point with the thematic of monster hunter traveller

>>97753906
Yep, the guy meddling with the timeline that nudged things into the situation didn't expect all the weird supernatural aftershocks from the changes, which included random entities showing up, an entire town that spoke a weird Germanic dialect that nobody could understand and had completely incompatible technology, and most recently Atlantis rising out of the sea and causing a rush of expeditions by everyone onto the island.

>>97753917
Can only speak for Forsaken. Too much time in war form results in a death rage. I don't believe a death raging werewolf can tire or even go unconscious without elephant-killing levels of tranqs. Granted, after the death rage is over the werewolf would probably be confused and fatigued.

>>97754204
>Granted, after the death rage is over the werewolf would probably be confused and fatigued.
At that point anybody trying to capture them is probably bloody chunks.

>>97754389
>At that point anybody trying to capture them is probably bloody chunks.
laughs in mage

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>>97754583
>laughs in mage

...no

>>97754586
Good luck surprising a mage.

>>97754593
If your Mage notices is determined by a Wits + Composure vs Dexterity + Stealth contested action.

>>97754602
If the mage hasn't already detected the werewolves by other means before they attempt the ambush. That roll is only a last resort for characters who haven't detected the ambushers already.

You do read what you post, don't you?

>>97754610
>If the mage hasn't already detected the werewolves by other means before they attempt the ambush.

If. Not seeing anything in the text of the book that says Mages are by default prepared for werewolves to ambush them. Here's your opportunity to show the class that text. If you can't, they by default aren't prepared.

>>97754586
>Pregnancy
Whew, that was a fun read