Kingdom of Khemri edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>97730653>Thread Question:What's your favorite sculpt in the army/armies that you play?
How come no one else ever plays dress up when they game like historical grogs do?
>>97743198is that linkara?
>>97743128>TQIt's a tie between the metal Warlock Engineers and the Mordheim Skryre Rat Ogre. I find the clanky, low-tech-high-tech look very appealing.
>>97743128>TQI really like the BfSP Thane model a lot, but default Dwarf Warriors are a close second.I just love killing goblins.
>>97743128>TQ4th Ed Ungrim Ironfist. I hate the new one though.Gate Master on FootLight of Eltharion as a stand in for High Elf Prince
>>97743128Tbh the regular humble Gor.Got the right amount of gubbbins and trinkets you can make pop, has flesh, fur, horns, wood and metal so you get to do a variety of materials.Completely based
Sometimes I like to think about capturing a scared custodian and force feeding him some baby food while wearing cosplay of the emperor. Anyone else have these fantasies?
I haven't played since before Imperial Knights; what's their deal? What is their faction's lore? Is their gameplay just 'we have a small number of really strong robots?'
>TQ I prefer the Character models for the SW by far. Excellent craftsmanship and a pleasure to paint.
>>97743738What the fuck is a custodian? Sounds like some kinda high elf fag shit
We were duped by the 40kg thread, he's a huge faggot nomodels who dreams of blowing Eldar men.
apologies for the retards.
>>97743198I've been thinking about cosplaying my general. Wouldn't be hard since he's just a fancy KOTR Paladin.
>>97743752Apology accepted, a shame you have a lolcow and people who can't resist bait
>>97743718Couldn't agree more, the only downside in my opinion is that it makes the time it takes to paint them a bit longer (for me at least) if you want to get every little detail.
I'm new to this hobby. I have assembled some models, can I just spray black primer all over them, wait for it to dry, and start painting?
>>97743805That pink mushroom on the base looks like a penis, I had to say it, sorry not sorry.
>>97743819Kinda.1. It's a good idea to wash assembled and glued models with soapy water or isopropyl alcohol to remove skin oils that might mess up primer2. You should wait overnight to let primer fully cure; even when it looks dry it's not truly ready until after a few hours
>>97743338That’s a really cool rag ogre. First time I’m seeing it. >TQ The current/old chaos warriors. While they are quite monopose, they look simply incredible when ranked up into a block.
>>97743819Yeah, but you probably want to go over the models and clean up the bits where you clipped them off the sprues and any mould lines as they'll kinda stand out after you paint them. It's not a big deal, but people online will act out and shitpost and act hypochondriac over seeing them, especially here.Just look up some guides on painting, learn how to thin your paints etc.
Now that I have a 3d printer all will suffer my shitty weeaboo fanservice figures with no artistic cohesion whatsoever that I'll proxy as orcs and goblins for no reason.
>>97743198I'm already fat, so if I eat I'm basically cosplaying an ogre when gaming.
>>97743903Ok anon. I hope sincerely that you don’t get cancer as you’ve taken proper precautions and have a fume hood set up.
Is there a lore reason why male arco-flagellants are barechested, and female ones have a tunic thing over their chests?
>>97743831How do you clean up a mould line? They just seem naturally visible wherever the models clip together.
>>97744003Use a knife, file or mouldline remover
>>97744003I get my scalpel hobby knife blade, place it perpendicular to the plane of the model where the line is and then scrape with the flat edge of the blade.If you have a small file you could also use that or fine grit sandpaper.
>>97744003Knoife it m8
>>97744003some people sand it, but i think most just scrape it with the hobby knife, not a cutting motion but more like a butter knife spread type of motion where you're dragging the blade across the model instead of cutting into it like so. you may need to make multiple passes to fully scrape the line depending on thickness and plastic quality, model kits from different producers or even different eras of the same producer like GW vary in quality and some will have worse mould lines than others. sand paper and files do also work but they are a bit more effort and can leave a rough texture on the finished piece
Some WFRP 2nd edition today. Life is good in the Empire.
>>97743128>TQThe OG female metal Haemonculus is easily one of my favourite models ever, closely followed by the metal Grotesques. I love everything about them.
>>97743999the apocalypse is not a reason to be indecent in public
>>97743750fuck off, fecalfag, you don't belong
Why is 40kg invading this thread?
>>97744167Same reason people start spamming nogames or nomodels or whatever - to distract from something else. To be fair, 40k posting is harder to counter than just posting your models, at least when you do that they have to spam 'no you stole them fake fake fake'.
>>97744167School's closed.skeltal towerfag here who asked silly questions. not ready for paint yet, but perry grave guard assembly underway. have a boney saturday, that is all.
>>97743128>TQToss up between these two and the Big Uns. I love the gnarly feel of the foot Warboss, the clsssic era gruntiness if the Boar Boss and the cartoony fun feel of the big uns. Hard choice. But they love smashing stunties!
>>97743825Don't know what to tell you Anon, but if you see penises in everything then it must on your end.
>>97744188These look great, anon.
>>97744188Fuark yes. Always good to see Empire/Dorf/Bretonnia/Chaos converted undead instead of "ancient human with bat wing motif" slop.
>>97743828Reminds me of RuneScape Zamorakians. Cool scheme
>>97739748Hey anon glad you like them, they are cut up sponges originally- spray green cover in flock and glue and flock and glue- roll them in a tray like you are making lamingtons. Hit them up with as many spray glued as you dare . Good luck!On terrain news I also smashed out this adorable little house today (fdm) . I’m brewing for some mordheim empire in flames/border town burning later this year. But will serve faithfully in fantasy too. I’m also getting some palisades printed in the near future so that should be awesome.
The AoS Spearhead magazines are on sale in my local newsagent and fuck me it's tempting to get a cheap Skaven army.How are they doing in TOW? I haven't checked in since the early days and I remember them being completely ass. Have their prospects improved at all since then? I imagine dragons are a bit less prevalent now which probably helps.
>>97744347Infantry got a buff so I could see artillery-supported Stormvermin being good
>>97744347I recently brought a very mid TK army (no archers, one level 3 priest, no scorpions, chariot king) and stomped the most competitive list skaven can bring (100 clanrats with bell, 3 ratling guns, lightning cannon, doomwheel, assassin etc) with the extra 600 points from SBC so don't get your hopes up. They are getting a new renegades rewrite next week which did quite a bit for dark elves so who knows but very much bottom tier and probably won't ever work like they did in 8th again.
>>97744188Nice. What did you use for the skeleton components?
>>97743903Sounds great anon and remember all that 'needing a hood' is just retarded western bullshit in Japan they don't ever use hoods and have the printer right next to their beds, so they can breathe it in and wake up looking at their next completed waifu model when they wake up in the morning.In fact, do this every day
>>97744437It did next to nothing for DE besides give them back their witch elf death star. Square Based is a joke, just use German Comp they actually want to make a better game, SB is concerned with making sure Rob has content for his content mill
>>97743714does the gate master come with any options? i've passed on the kit so far because the poses were pretty boring.
>>97744630You could just look up the instructions.
>>97744188Why didn't you print bases with recesses for the plastic pool, Mantic-style?
I wanted to build a small Strigoi force for Battle March. Nothing too fancy, just a Ghoul King, 2 units of Ghouls and a unit of Horrors. It turns out I can't do so because Ghoul King is 0-1 per 1000pts which locks me from using any Vargheists, Crypt Horrors or even Fell Bats. Am I reading this wrong or are Battle March listbuilding rules simply stupid?
>>97744747Why does no one just clip them off? Can't be that hard.
>>97744347Wrong thread buddy
>10 metal models for £42.50I'm not sure if that's a good price or not
>>97744347I'll admit... I like the new rats... I wonder if they will fit on 20mm squares
>>97744766>Can't be that hard.I like to cut/saw/dremel them to minimal thickness so I still have a good joint and they get hidden by basing, but it's still annoying. I'd rather have sprue pegs under the model's feet that I could use as pins with no extra hassle.
>>97744767>legacy faction models>asks about TOW use>nooo wrong thread!what did he mean by this
>>97743198There isn't a single warhammer fantasy player who could furnish enough troops for a game of this scale
What would be some thematic/fluffy unit dos and don'ts of Stirland and Ostland armies?>Stirland: poor so fewer gunpowder and knight units and more archers and other militia units>Ostland: standard Empire army plus some kislev allies?
>>97744865Yes that's it basically. Striland is interesting because they have the coolest banner but the worst color palette
>>97744865Ostland is highly sigmarite compared to its neighbours, so more flaggeleants and warrior Priests in the Army could work
>>97744879>mfw green with yellow highlights is one of my favorite color schemes
>>97744865All the shoeless state troopers people hate? Trade your good ones for them :^)
So I played a game using Knightly Order and holy shit the Grand/Chapter Masters are awful.Why are they so grossly over costed?
>>97744808I'd say yes, at least at the moment. That kind of model can reach even higher prices in second hand if in mint conditionI'd personally never buy shit from GW anymore but I understand why people would want to buy some old models
>>97744808People are charging 2x that much on the second-hand market right now. GW's pricing is retarded, but it's not as retarded as what ebay or troll trader are charging. The MTOs are, generally, relative to the second-hand market, an okay deal.
>>97743128>TQFor dwarfs it has to be Colin Dixon's longbeards. The huge axes, the pose, the armour peaking out under the beard, all of it is wonderful.As for DoW, I think Braganza's Besiegers, despite no having the unit in my army, mainly cause you don't see many armoured crossbowmen with pavises.
>>97744808You can find someone printing oldhammer minis of pristine quality for pennies around every corner. Why would you pay 4.25 britbucks per mini just because it's metal?>Inb4 muh brittle printsCatch up with the current technology instead of believing in memes from 10 years ago.
>>97745167how do they walk
>>97745175slowly
>>97745174Fake news
>>97745174Why do people value the metal versions of models that were re-released in resin higher than the resin versions of those same models? They're the same sculpts, so why are the metal ones more expensive than the resin ones?The answers to these questions will answer your question.
>>97745311>The answers to these questions will answer your question.No they won't since your question is incorrect. Your questions refer to people preferring metal minis over resin CAST minis. I would always buy metal minis over resin cast minis but resin PRINTED minis are ridiculously better than resin cast minis.
>>97745330I reject your premise entirely on the basis that I would still buy metal cast minis over resin printed minis because I prefer working with metal.
>>97743198Tbh I considered buying some kind of a landsknecht costume for local old/mid hammer events
>>97745330And furthermore, why do these metal models still hold their value despite resin replicas being available?Metal is just better. Get over it, man. It's what the market wants.
>>97745354I think it depends on how much money you're willing to spend, as you can get that stuff, but it's going to be like $200+ for a full ensemble.
>>97745383>$200+ for a full ensemble.I'd expect way more for an actually decent costume
>>97745383It's $200 for a cheap Halloween costume, for a quality landsknecht kit you're gonna spend a few grand. >>97745354It would be based, but only if you have a good body. It's you're a fat loser it will look cringe
>>97745380>Get over it, man. It's what the market wants.Trying to project the hyper-specific market of GW minis aimed towards mindless brand-depended drones on the miniature market as a whole is most certainly a choice.
>>97743128I am starting up a solo rpg campaign in order to try out the new old world RPG. I was actually really pleasantly surprised how well the character creation elements helped me to form a good idea of my character. However, I do find a lot of the random tables could probably use like twice as many options, and the laser focus on talagaad in specific seems a bit odd. though tbf, it probably did help me to figure out what my character was all about. I actually really dig this "level" of complexity. Not as simple as some "rules lite" game, but not overly technical either. I might be greedy, but I wish it was just a TAD bit more all encompassing.
>>97745522My character:Lars WaterwijsA son of a modest merchant who is from a minor tributary town outside of Marienburg. He has drifted from work to work never finding his place besides a vague appreciation for achedemia and knowledge. Something his family is not nearly wealthy enough to make a living off of. So instead he was sent to his uncle, a watch captain, in Talagaad in order to work for him as a watchmen. While not exactly exhilarating, He has been a decent watchmember since it has occasionally allowed him to stretch his deductive reasoning muscles in investigations. Also, the long boring nights of guard duty give him time to ruminate and read his ragged second hand books. He has also found training with melee weapons modestly enjoyable. He has an odd combative but mutually respecting relationship with a local Verenan priest-judge, with which he disagrees on many matters theological and philosophical, but finds the conversation stimulating compared to the more mundane concerns of his associates. He also frequently visits an old aged deserter who camps outside of Talagaad who he once denounced as a liar and fraud. Fascinated by his tall tails of gritty adventure from the far off shores of Lustria, to campaigns in Tilea and Kislev. A small notebook and a lantern hangs from his belt as fetishes of his voluntary and compulsory engagements. He is cautious and introspective and often quotes half remembered lines from great men in his books. He has a sharp nose and hawkish eyes which conceals a mind that is less certain than it tries to look, but which also betrays his critical and exacting personality. However, maybe his incessant digging for knowledge will dig himself into a hole he won't be able to get out from...
>>97745422I was basing the price of the admittedly overpriced official Warhammer Empire costumes, which is just basic Landesknecht costumes and LARP swords.So just taking pic into consideration>Doublet £89.99>Shirt £69.99>Sleeves £39.99(per sleeve)>trousers £39.99>Hat £17.99>LARP one haded arming sword £99.99(unpainted)>LARP dagger(not sold) but other daggers cost £59.99>shoes £109.99>powder bags, they don't sell this anymore, but similar things were £49.99So overall that's £617.90, and that's not going for any of the more fancy flamberges or armour they in theory sell
>>97745551Does larp shit get destroyed when you try and wash it
>>97745566>washingSir this is Warhammer
>>97745566If you're trying to wash it with a bunch of other stuff, probably, but you can just use your washing machine on lower cooler mode,and it should be fine
>>97744615very few venues are going to accept german comp anon, SB is far more prevalent.
>>97745566Why would you wash it, unless you're a disgusting pig with horrible body odor?
>>97745542Sounds like a twat
>>97745478Are you being serious? We're talking about metal vs. 3d prints of oldhammer miniatures. So yes, I'm talking about the market for said miniatures. Nowhere in my post did I mention any other market. And if I were to entertain your (retarded) argument, why do you think Corvus Belli casts their Infinity models in metal? How about Bolt Action, that game still has some metal models as well as plastics. Konflikt 47 has metal, plastic, and resin models. Metal is here to stay despite your complaining. And before you go>but those are cast minis!Who cares? That's a stupid argument to make in the first place seeing as we're talking about resin prints of cast minis. People are still buying metal models (and most of these sales are from the second-hand market, which means GW gets $0, so don't get snippy with me about that). Some people are buying cast resin models. Some people are also buying (or just printing the .stls for themselves) resin prints of old models. Good for them! Why are you bitching about it? Some people like metal, some people like resin. Stop pretending like the material you prefer is strictly superior and that people who disagree with you are retarded and nobody will have any issues with you.Also, if you're calling grogs, the people who kept Warhammer Fantasy alive out of love after GW killed it, "brand-dependent", you're just retarded and this entire discussion is pointless because you're too buttblasted to form a coherent thought. People like you always ruin whatever good point you could have made (yes, 4.25 british pounds for a single model is a retarded price, so is the ~8-10+ that the second-hand market is charging right now, and yes, 3d printing them for cheaper is both desirable and good) by being utter faggots about it. You're giving the people who actually put in the work to preserve these minis digitally a bad name.In summary, shut the fuck up, go back to /3dpg/ or whatever hole you crawled out of, and don't come back.
>>97745631>why do you think Corvus Belli casts their Infinity models in metal? How about Bolt ActionBecause resin printing sucks for the mass production?
>>97745658Thank you for providing one other strength of metal as a material over resin. Enjoy the rest of your day, anon!
>>97745631I don't know what this argument is about but I'm giving my opinion regardless, resin is fucking dogshit and the ONLY benefit of resin is that is it potentially cheaper for the customer to purchase.
>>97745616That's unfortunate. I had a look at the German comp, and it seemed like a reasonable attempt at balance. It was also more dignified, because it was a pdf document, not some e-celebs rambling and making goofy faces for an hour.
NTA’s but I dislike resin immensely and enjoy working with metal. I like the heft of metal, I like the durability of metal. I hate the carcinogenic dust from resin.
>>97744259>>97744322Thanks>>97744597Perry 1450-1500 foot knights paired with "Skulls Bascinet Helment" by Silverfoxxx on Cults3D printed in FDM because I live to suffer>>97744747>>97744766I really don't know, I guess I wasnt concerned? basing will cover it just fine. I've chopped many puddle bases in the past. tactical rocks are all the rage... To answer a previous comment I am aware of my base sizes being too small, I am as suggested using spaced movement trays
I got suckered by the MTO this run. I am getting back into the hobby and have been having a lot of fun painting up my old goblins with an old school paint scheme. I loved the old school sculpts back in the day but was too poor to enjoy most of them.Today I put in for:1 rock lobber2 black orc big bosses2 black orc commands3 black orc infantry2 classic orc commands3 classic orc infantry
>>97745627Don't worry, he's going to be.
>>97745175Very carefully
>>97745167So much better than the current longbeards. Idk how they did such a good job with Ironbreaks (imo) but fumbled Longbeards.
>>97745931How many goybucks did that cost you?
>>97745931Be sure to post them when you eventually get em and paint em, anon.
>>97746111$700 CAD with tax.
>>97745708My main issue with metal is that sometimes the moldlines are really hard to file off due to placement and/or being more like misalignment than flash.
>>97746130At least you weren't paying in New Zealand dollars
>>97746124I will. Hopefully I don't have to wait the full 6mos. Here's the first goblin I painted after 20ish years. It's a skull pass mono-pose but not a bad sculpt. >>97746135True. I also saved a bit on shipping having it delivered to a local GW.
>>97746151>a bit on shipping having it delivered to a local GW.Surely that will depend on how close that GW store is to you and the price of Petrol to do a round trip?
>>97745716>Perry 1450-1500 foot knights paired with "Skulls Bascinet Helment" by Silverfoxxx on Cults3DThanks, added to the filename for when/if I ever get around to mine. Got any more pics, maybe painted?
>>97745931I'm happy OrcGODS got a good deal on their MTO but I'm still seething over ours. Literally no different from secondhand market pricing, 3x as expensive as quality recasts. Must not have sold well, the MTOs since have been more reasonably priced.
>>97746130How many CAD dollars do you make in a month?
>>97746216How were the Brettonia and Empire MTOs priced again?
>>97746216Be happy you didn't want Weathertop from the most recent mesbg MTO. $540 USD for a piece of resin terrain, insane.
>>97746162Definitely. With those factors considered, it made sense. The shopping centre also has nice restaurants so having an excuse to go there is good. >>97746216That really sucks. What is the rotation like for MTO? Will you get another crack at it? I'm hoping they offer the old school Grom again at some point. It has so much character to it and would make a great centrepiece. >>97746273That's oddly personal. I make enough that dropping $700 on pewter this month isn't an issue. My main hobby for the last decade has been collecting, researching, reloading for, and shooting antique firearms. Wargaming is a cheap hobby in comparison.
>>97746351>What is the rotation like for MTO?NTA but speculating that they will be back in a couple years again at most. GW has realized they have a Disney Vault style side business with all their old sculpts, and MTO's are now the norm.
>>97746351>that's oddly personal Not really. I made $7000 usd a month so $700 USD would be like 10% of my income. I was just wondering how it compared. It's not personal because I am an anonymous poster and so whatever number I post means nothing. Now you know that a poster on 4chan makes 7k a month
>>97746351>y main hobby for the last decade has been collecting, researching, reloading for, and shooting antique firearms.What is the most Warhammer antique gun you have collected?
>>97743128>TQ>skaven: 7th ed. queek headtaker and 5th ed. verminlord>high elves: althran stormrider (both variants)>dwarfs: picrel>dow: freelance knight (both variants)
>>97746282Bretonnia MTO was $12 US PER MODEL. That is literally the going rate on ebay for good condition models from 25 years ago. Empire I think was similar, $12 or $11 per dood.>>97746323Jesus Christ.>Will you get another crack at it?Not any time soon, but I've gone with other models anyway, mostly Claymore Castings. If they release a reasonably priced MTO next time, I might get them to use as classic 6e WFB/Mordheim doods rather than TOW.
Got the Horus Heresy out of my system (more or less) so im back to fantasy. Current load is this baggage train, a lord on demonic mount conversion, and then a bunch of warriors/forsaken (and a greater chaos spawn).
>>97746532>this baggage trainlooking great so far, does it have a purpose in tow?
>>97746563Yea, its an objective or something apparently. You put it down in your deployment zone and your opponent gets points for capturing it. Never played with it before, but theres a sort of campaign going on nearby with them as a rule, so when in rome...Plus its a chance to use some bits I have lying around.
I got the age of sigmar box set "looncurse" years ago to split with my wife "she plays trees"But i never cracked the goblin half. Thinking about using them for ToW.I currently don't have any orcs or goblins, the box has1. Night goblin lord on squig2. 10 squig herd, 2 herders2. 10 goblin squig hoppersAre gobbos fun in the old world? Are the newer AoS models likely to fit on the square bases?
>>97746818>Are gobbos fun in the old world? Are the newer AoS models likely to fit on the square bases?Gobbos are historically one of the weaker yet fun to play armies, so if you play mostly against your wife, they'll be good fun for the both of you. As for the bases, tow upped base sizes to 25mm for standard infantry, so your gobbos should have plenty of space.
>>97745167god these guys are so good. the musician is probably the best wfb model i have ever seen.
>>97746818Goblins are insanely strong (OnG are insanely strong in general). Go buts.
>>97746818I see people use aos squigs for tow all the time. You might have to plan ahead a bit with the hoppers but it's 100% doable.
>>97746563>ermm...does it have a purpose in tow?You did the meme LMFAO >>97746593Based narrative campaign CHAD
>>97746532That's Hot.
>>97746992I got like four of these for free a couple years ago, and ive been meaning to have a use for them.
>>97745383I was looking at Mytholon which is quite affordable and more or less should be enough. I wouldn't plan to go over the top and run between tables hitting everyone with giant feathers and a scabbard. So something like pic related plus cap.
>playing mount and blade bannerlord>all these awesome armor sets for the slav faction(and others) >tfw kislev will look like absolute shit by comparison
>>97747088What does your body look like?
>>97747105Lean. Around 74 kg, 178 cm in height
>>97746464Bret MTOs were insanely priced in UK. Empire was mixed, this latest Orc one is a bit more competitively priced. £160 for 1 of everything
>>97747105Hey if it worked for Henry V...
>>97747140Oops 3 Henries early
>>97746532I think I have the same brand of keyboard. I like How it feels overall, but dont like how the letters get scratched up like with your "A" button here.
>>97746373Thank you, that's good to know!>>97746378Besides muzzleloaders, probably my Swiss Vetterli model 1869/71. I could picture an Empire master engineer popping beastmen with it from atop a mechanical steed.
>>97747208Keychron? And yea, might need to order some new keys soon. Thankfully the caps are replaceable and probably not that expensive.
>>97747295I got the flatter key version, I feel like I miss the key I am aiming for with taller key caps.(I thought someone was using a picture of my desk when I first say your picture)
>>97743740>>97743739>>97743750>>97743738>>97743750>>97743752kek
wip chaos lord
>>97747628Kino, is that the metal carnosaur or am I retarded?
>>97747631Correct, it is. Grimloq sans kroq-gar. Ive had him for ages, finally doing something with the lump of lead.
>>97746818Night Goblins are very, very good and fun to play, as are Black Orcs and Savage Orcs. Forest Goblins seem fun too. Regular goblins not so much; though I personally like playing big waves of shit infantry, it's not for everyone.
>>97747628Are you the anon who also made a chaos lord on foot and on a dragon with the same parts and a big sword? I assume this one is going to be riding a daemonic mount. That's pretty cool! I'm looking forward to seeing how you paint him.
>>97747129I'm so fucking mad. It seems they saw the success of the Bretonnia relaunch as a chance to fleece a new market of piggies and decided to milk it to death immediately. I've never seen a game Jew its fans this badly, and I played Korea-kike Nexon games back in the day. I genuinely can't fathom charging second-hand market prices for your own product, I can't think of another instance of this ever.
>>97747674yes on all counts, although I may go with a different weapon this time.
Do skirmish models block each other's line of sight? Models block models, but it also says if the unit can see all the unit can. So can a unit of ungors with bows in skirmish shoot over each other?
>>97747987>Do skirmish models block each other's line of sight?Yes. Goblin 1 and 3 are partially LOS blocked so the troll gets partial cover from their shots. Whereas Goblins 2,4 and 5 shoot normally without any penalties.
>>97748000Alright, that's what I've been doing, was looking up facing and saw the wording and figured I'd check
Finished scraping/sanding off all the default detail on this horse for my Renegade Crowns Prince characterOpen to ideas for sculpting new heraldry, want him to look a bit opulent and gaudy, coz he should be a bit of a showoff
>>97748711you can always aim for the heraldy table from old world armoury, WFRP 2nd edtion, picrel
my local scene has a couple people who are finally finishing their cathay armies, and im very likely to be on the other side of the table from pic related soon. how is the dragon lady? is it an unholy terror? i took a glance at it but it has like 2 full pages of rules plus multiple spell lores and i couldnt get a good read on it. playing dwarfs if that matters.
>>97746593>>97746563You guys don't usually play objectives? If you're playing at tournaments you need a bagagetrain. At least in my area.>Pic related
Playing 750p against Lizardmen today, wish my goats luck Anons
>>97745175Over the corpses of grobbi and urks
>>97749144Beast on beast action. Godspeed and may it add fluff to your army
>>97749155I hobble over the corpses of grobbi and urksNew song title
>>97749144RAROOO BEAST-KIN,
>>97748953shes okay. real china faggs run 4 illusion shuggies
>>97748953>playing dwarfs if that mattersIf he has a shugengan lord and enough handguns you are FUCKED. Their infantry is surprisingly shit though
>>97749273>Cathay outshoot dwarfs
>>97746826> Gobbos are historically one of the weakerStopped reading there and >>97746818Should too. Night goblins are basically the things propping up the entire orcs and goblins list because fanatics are fucking insane and cheap goblins now somehow have 4+ saves in CC.Don't listen to anything this idiot says
>>97749361What the fuck do you think 'historically' means, you giant retard?Theres no such thing as a Goblin army, it's just an O&G list that's decided not to use half of its units for fluff. Orcs and Goblins were completely shit in both 7th and 8th. Even in 6E/TOW a Goblin army is just a bad O&G list.If Goblins were historically good you'd see 2 things;> O&G wouldn't be bottom tier in previous editions > Historical O&G armies would be based in large parts on Goblin unitsAnd even then a mixed army would still be objectively better.
>>97749344the dwarfs got the knowledge to make gunpowder from Cathay, didn't you know?
>>97749427I mean, the Cathayan Dragon Empire gave the secret of gun powder to the fucking Sky Titans before the Great Maw even appeared. That certainly predates the dwarfs using it.Hell the Nehkeherans were fucking importing gunpowder weapons from Cathay before the creation of Vampires and apparently used these weapons against Nagash in the first war against him (once again long predating dwarf use).. Essentially dwarfs are only good at diggy diggy hole and runes, everything else the Cathayans did it first and do it better
>>97749390Were O&G that bad in 6-8th? Legit interested. I know animosity was an issue but i thought they were at least viable.
When are they announcing Keeslev?
>>97749546when the 3 days special operation ends
>>97749547Well won't be much longer. We need that Kislev oil now that the Chaos Dwarfs are getting uppity after a dark elf invasion.
>>97749559you got your factions mixed up, naggarothians are reinforcing the forces of naggrund, it's all because one of their effigies to hashut got burned
>>977495436th was fine.7th saw Goblins go from 2 to 3pts and turned Quell Animosity into a negative rule, effectively killing both Goblins and Black Orcs while making Animosity impossible to work around. The army was absolutely bottom-tier and largely carried by MSU Fanatic spam, Spear Chukkas and Grimgor.8th was a slight step up but not enough to escape bottom tier. The army was entirely built around a core of Savage Big Uns with a Great Shaman attached, supported by artillery and Manglers. You had some reliable chaff in Goblin Wolf Bosses and Trolls became way better than they were. Unfortunately l, as good as the SOBUs were, you were still left with a monobuild entirely at the mercy of both Frenzy and Animosity, and your expensive I2 deathstar was extremely vulnerable to Purple Sun.
Are carrion useful for tomb kings? They're one of the few really mobile units in their roster, but are quite pillow-fisted.
>>97749572kek
>>97749344Empire also outshoots dwarfs. Dwarf shooting, especially in terms of "large scale artillery" is not very impressive. Skaven also used to handily outshoot dwarfs.
>>97749559>>97749572All this mess from the chaos dwarfs and the dwarfs of the old world still refuse to acknowledge them, let alone do anything about it.
>>97749786dwarf shooting is good because their missile troops are also wearing heavy armor, shields, hand weapons, great weapons and skirmish, scout and move through cover
>>97749808Exactly, but its not as potent at just "shooting another gunline across the map". Dwarf shooting lacks many of the usual issues gunlines face (their missile troops used to be better than most enemy infantry in close combat) but its just less efficient at actually killing shit at range.
>>97749627Thanks for the summary. Surprised 6th waa fine but reassuring. That said, 7th quell animosity seems dire and 8th i heard that whole meta was a mess. Funnily, despite being crappy, how come orcs and gobbos retained popularity in 7th and 8th despite it all? Were they really that fun?
>>97749834They were a starter box army and are quite iconic to the setting. WoC were always popular even in the editions they were bad too.
>>97749144I'm told lizard meat tastes like chicken. may your goats dine well today
>>97749834>that handful of models>that'll be $500 plus tip please
>>977498348E meta was healthier than 7E. Vampires, Dark Elves and Daemons were an escalation that rendered every other army irrelevant in any kind of competitive play.Greenskins have always been fun, easy to sell to a newbie and diverse. Apparently that's been enough to keep them popular even when they've been rough to play. It helps that they usually have a reputation as the fun-loving opponent as well.
>>97743198Warhammer fans with see your pic and genuinely feel revulsion and not want to play that epic game, meanwhile they are giddy to play pic related and unironically think they are superior
>>97749837Ah yes, Skull Pass always looked neat. >WoC >badI never knew WoC hit rock bottom meta wise. Thought Chaos was always, at a minimum, middle of the pack though i never did play high comp.>>97749880That makes some sense. In love with the game rather than the competition and just wants to use his greenies. >>97749875Was surprised how much they were. I bought one of each for just over 200. Send help.
>>97749882Not true, I genuinely feel revulsion at seeing Cathay models.
>>97749882Everytime this picture is posted I can't help but want to bully that fat pathetic slob on the left. His body proportions look identical to a 2 year old baby. Literal man baby
>>97749911>left
>>97749932I'm Australian
>>97749940Sorry to hear that.
>>97749940Macca pls that's you in the picture.
Average Cathay enjoyer
>>97749948Macca is more square, less round.
>>97749961Let's be real these people didn't play Cathay because they liked the fluff or aesthetics.
>>97749882>>97749961>>97750016If you told me in 2005 that this was going to be the future of Warhammer I would have quit then and there
What paints do I need if I want my Gors to look like this?
what would TOW community look like without tournaments?
>>97750016i really like the house bottom left. im sure it doesnt belong to a player, but the event organizer/lgs.i wish i could find pic related in high quality
>>97750053Tournaments are not why people play with unpainted models. The people who play with unpainted models would be playing with unpainted models with or without tournaments. Tournaments are just a way to organize multiple games in one or two days, nothing more. I've played more tournament games against fully painted armies than I have casual games. I will say, however, that tournament organizers have been rather lax with painting requirements. That will probably change as TOW matures as a game.
>>97750053>community>without tournamentsNonexistent. TOW is cash grab on old grognards who 1. earn enough money to waste them on plastic toys and 2. are nostalgic to Warhammer Fantasy. Without tournaments all the minos would be either sealed or standing on some shelf in basement.
>>97750040Kinda fruity.
>>97749834popularity was not dependent on competitive viability to any significant extent. the waacification of warhammer has developed only recently
>>97743198real talk how do you even move minis on that board? Are there magnets under the table or do you have some long tool to reach them?
>>97750188You train fleas to run around the board and do it for you. Easier than it seems at first glance, the trick is getting them to learn verbal commands.
>>97750211I got a flashback to that one jimmy neutron episode, bravo
>>97749903>I never knew WoC hit rock bottom meta wiseHoC was fucking dogshit (golden eye dragon asides). They were okay in 7th and high middle tier/low high tier in 8th (below stuff like the elves and VC, but good).
What Warhammer RPG supplement is the one for Brettonia? For the sake of an argument with a friend, I want to compared Mercenary Captain with Grail Knight to explain him that Brettonians aren't a total joke in the setting.
>>97750053Without "tournaments"? Largely the same.Without "events"? Dead.
>>97750115Juggalo beastmen. Interesting.
>>97744765Shameless selfbump.
>>97750053tournaments don't shape the normal scene the normal scene shapes tournaments
>>97750341I dont really know the battle march rules. but ghoul kings are "lord" tier characters and thus limited like basically all lord tier characters (0-1 per 1k). Your best bet if thats too much is to find a way to make a hero tier one using a normal vampire.
>>97750016i've been playing warhammer since the late 90s and there have always, ALWAYS been people who run dumb cheese. it happened in fantasy, it happened in 40k, im sure there are even people who try to cheese bloodbowl and necromunda. there are just some people like that, who dont give two shits about the lore and thematics, good spirit of the game or a gentlemanly list and just want to win, no matter what it takes.
>>97749144Lost the game against the lizardmen. His skinks outmaneuvered my units and put potshots into them, while a combination of bad dice rolls in actual combat kept me from destroying his units of saurus.My Beastlord and Bestigors were also slow to enter combat due to his maneuvers and low charge rolls.But it was a fun game, both of us had an enjoyable time and plenty of banter, and it wasn’t a total curbstomp on the end.
>>97744765Battle March lets you take 1 “1 per 1000” option. So you wouldn’t be able to do both a ghoul king and horrors yes. Ofc you could just ignore the rules and make a little list like that, I don’t think a single opponent would really care as long as you clear it with them first.
>cathay cannons are actually fully detailed under the dragon decoration and you could just leave it offKind of neat
>>97750065What page in the 5th ed book is this? Looked all over and can't find it.
What is everyone doing today? I downloaded Warlords of Karak Eight Peaks onto my kindle for bedtime reading. Made some progress on my metal verminlord, too, and finally ordered a few metal miniatures I've been hunting.
>>97750909I went to my nerd store which is 1 hour away to play, only to find out they cancelled my booking. But miffed but otherwise, prepping for upcoming week and weekend.
>>97750909About halfway through painting my armyTrigger warning for correct base and clean desk sticklers
>>97750409Oh and here’s my 750p army before deployment.Wasn’t anything special, just some gore, ungors and bestigors accompanied with a razorgor and lead by a beastlord and a lvl 2 shaman
Is anyone following the tow six nations tournament? Found sparse coverage on YT today, but I'm not sure I enjoy the competitive angle.
>>97750238>HoC was fucking dogshitI never would have thought that. With the greater daemons, daemons and chosej knights, I thought they'd be at minimum high tier. Whats the story?
>>97750955>Whats the story?Slow expensive elite units, characters and monsters in a ruleset with either overpowered cannons or overpowered magic.
>>97750955Its an army that actually has three units wearing a dozen skins. Expensive beatstick character, expensive elite melee infantry, and expensive heavy cav. Unfortunately "expensive elite melee infantry" was not very good in 6th because chargers went first, and cavalry charged. And unlike cheap infantry you couldnt field the numbers to hope for combat resolution to help you. So you would either be chased off or shot to death. That leaves their cavalry (which was okay) and characters, which were scary in melee but often too slow and relatively fragile. And then you had the tzeench dragon with a 3++ against shooting that could eat whole armies on his own some of the time. Thats a fun army design. The book is just understatted and overcosted for what most units do, and encourages lame and abusive playstyles involving power dice generation, flyers and msu. The more things charge...
>>97750909I've updated my wight BSB (added some details to the wolf face and checker pattern). It's not phenomenal, but from table height it looks good enough. I had him painted two years ago or so and since that time in the middle of the night I got hit by intrusive thoughts like - I surely fucked up that banner. At least that's over. Besides that I've painted three ungors, filled gaps in a few gors, disassembled a few miniatures and put them into isopropyl alcohol for stripping.
>>97750949Lovely army man. Will share mine next time I play.
>>97750909>What is everyone doing today?Realizing im down some parts for a conversion so ordering those and then waiting. Might try do some auxiliarry work while thats in the mail.
Lads, I require some help.I'd like to use a Vampire antagonist for my WFRP group.I was thinking a Lahmian could be cool because it would involve politicking, plots and intrigues instead of the usual combat if the group was to go against a Strigoi, Blood Dragon or Necrarch.However, I'm quite aware that to make a good character like this, said character needs to be SMART. Any DOs and DON'Ts you guys would have to ensure I don't shit the bed and ensure a little bit of intrigue? I wouldn't want the first meeting with this character to make it clear she's a vampire for example. The good thing is that my friends don't know much about Warhammer so they may not pick on all clues.
>>97750996So a fundamental design flaw with limited choices disguised in different colour flavours more or less i.e Warrior variation 1-12 but only 3 was the best. >cavalry okI thought Khorne Chosen Knights were the best in the game, no? 3 attacks on the charge, just annihilate the front rank of anything. Speaking of, charging was guessing but checking if frenzy was in range, wouldn't that mean you need to measure in advance?>3++ dragon Don't recall an item which can do that, that's stupid. Thanks for the write up, I didn't think bloodthirsters etc were garb. Terror could level a whole flank i imagined. >>97750967>overpowered magicI didn't know 6th had OP artillery due to guess range.
>>97751037>chosen knights 1/army, SUPER expensive and (if khorne) frenzied. Also locked to S5 iirc. They werent bad, but they werent "great" either, they had a lot of the issues other "super elite" cavalry like grail knights or blood dragons had, but an army that couldnt support them with cheap infantry or magic as well. Also frenzy hurts. >itemGolden eye of tzeench. Gives rider AND mount a 3++ vs shooting. Its really stupid. >guess rangeGuess range isnt THAT big a deal. Its definetly less accurate, but distances arent that hard to guess, especially if you order your shooting properly.
>>97751035The key to writing a "smart" character is to strictly know what things they know and dont know, and to use whatever they DO know as ruthlessly as possible. They shouldnt be omniscient or theres no story, but they should be acting like a coherent adversary, rather than an NPC just going along to a script.
>>97751051Well, this has been educational. Ironic as I feel Chaos Warriors (the unit) and other infantry suffer the same issue as HoC, too bloody expensive for no rwal benefit except a good statline. Too expensive for combat benefits and attrition and not hitting hard enough to be a happer sans KnightsQuick Q, bit off topic but in 6th ed, how was ogre kingdoms and how would orc and gobbos beat them? Their Tyrant/Bruiser seems OP as fuck. I can't make an Orc hero or Warboss build capable of fighting one with the Tenderizer (+2 Str and D3 Wounds). Ridiculous.
>>97751035You could also have a von carstein if you want to go the high society angle. Even if your players aren't super informed about warhammer, I'd throw a big curveball. Have that drop dead gorgeous influential woman, but she's just that, a woman that climbed the ranks with sheer ability and clever use of female charm. Her success and beauty lead to rumors about her possibly being a vampire, that turn out to be nonsense. She's your red herring.Instead, the actual vampire is either a necrarch, strigo or a blood dragon. Necrarch could be some sort of pretend leper/cripple/servant to nobility, pulling the strings from the shadows while remaining completely iconspicuous. You could even make him the butt of jokes to further distract from his real nature. The blood dragon could be the court's strongest household knight or a wandering knight from bretonnia/tilea/estalia, ostensibly seeking glory and riches as a mercenary. Portray him as a bone-headed soldier type, loyal to a fault but with a strong sense of honour.
>>97750931You painted your primarch the wrong color
>>97751085I dont know much about ogres in 6th im afraid, but yea tyrants being scary sounds about right.
>>97751123He painted orks purple, I think he’s color blind. Or his palate is just shit. Considering he has Cathay it’s the latter.
>>97751143>He painted orks purpleyou're confusing me with someone else. my orcs are green
>>97751010Glad you like it Anon. Having a (nearly) fully painted army is a good feeling when putting on the battlefield.
>>97750931>correct baseits not even game legal, are you hedging on cathay entering aos in the next two decades?
>>97751194movement trays would be my guess
>>97750409That’s tough anon, you’ll get em on the next one. How do you think you’d deal with skinks as Beastmen? Chariots? Ungors with bows?
>>97751194round tray adapters for rounds are a lot easier than round adapters for squares. plus i dont have to count on anything, cathay is already in aos, its nearly 1 to 1 with the cities unit roster, which itself is based on the old empire unit roster, which cathay is fairly similar to. basic shield troops, basic missile troops, basic cavalry, some greatcannons, leader is a big creature on a large base. it lines up almost 1 to 1, and if im spending $600+ on an army and i can get 2 games out of it you bet im gonna do just that.
>>97751081>>97751114Thanks lads, this is some good stuff.
>>97751333One tip I got after the game was to change my ungors (and/or Gors) to a skirmish formation, letting me charge the skinks from almost any direction.
>>97751415Changing formation mid game that is, then once the skinks would’ve been dealt with it I could change them back into an open order formation.Skirmish is a hell of a thing.
>>97751365>and if im spending $600+ on an army and i can get 2 games out of it you bet im gonna do just that.You are why GW makes everything so fucking gay and segregated
>>97751440That's good though, I don't want stormies or dwarves on balloons in this game.
>>97751452Less about stormies and more about stuff like night goblins, or every single legacy faction
>>97751452lol isnt the current dwarf meta in ToW like 14 fucking gyrocopters?
>>97751463Night goblins are already in the game.
>>97751440the logic of that post is self defeating. >i dont like them segregating the games, so we should self segregate for the same net effect anyways
>>977514668e apache helicopters are kosher now because the overton window shifted.
I'm confused, what are the different stats in the RPG? There's strength and agility, but it's distinct from Weapon skill?
>>97751466I assume you're a shitposter because you cannot be so uninformed that you're listing the dwarf meta at launch as the current meta. https://oldworldrankings.com/army_lists to see what people are actually playing.
>>97751513oh god, it cannot be overstated how much i dont give a shit about the week to week meta, when i said current i just meant sometime this decade
>>97751537>I want to be an uniformed retard spouting falsehoodsWeird flex but ok.
Next you'll tell me I can't make fun of Cathay balloon spam because it's no longer meta
>>97751543There’s something pathetic about your behavior anon.
>let me respond with a non sequitur Not beating the retard allegations
>>97751511Fellowship is essentially Charisma.Weapon Skill is how much you can cut a tomato.Ballistic Skill is how well you can shoot a tomato off someone's head.Strength is crushing the tomato.Initiative is acting before the tomato do.Agility is dodging the tomato.I have no idea how Dexterity differs from Agility or Shooting skill.Intelligence is convincing the tomato it's actually a vegetable and not a fruit.Toughness is beholding the tomato without cracking.Willpower is resisting the tomato's attempt to terrorize you into submission.
>>97751543this is warhammer, not an E-sport. it takes 6 months to get an army painted and on the table, why would i try to follow what the game is doing week by week?thats a recipe for greytide metachasing nonsense
>>97751422I've been saying for a while there is a good argument you should have every beastman unit in skirmish except the ones that can't, minotaurs and bestigors. Dragon ogres can't as well but those can be taken in singles I think. Also for absolutely no understandable reason, warpgors can't be skirmish which makes no fucking sense. Beastmen don't with on standing CR, they need to do wounds.
>>97751606It's not week by week though. You're strawmanning. You posted about how the Dwarf meta was on release like 2 years ago. You're literally years behind. I am not saying meta whoring is important, just that you're comically incorrect on what the meta is due to being literally years behind.
Anybody still using good old Army Builder when playing older editions or did everyone moved on to New Recruit?
>>97751614>years behindand? this game is 45 years old. it was even out of production for 10 years. being a year or two off on a joke about the meta is nothing. the only reason i even know about the copters is because when i was getting back into the game with the old worlds release i started a new army, dwarfs, and some anons on here recommended dawi after dark to learn how to play them. i opened one of his videos and in one breath he was promoting a dozen gyropcopters of various chassis, and in another he was promoting using the anvil and a cart to sling 30 longbeards like 40" across the board deployment zone to deployment zone in a single move. that first video was also the last video i watched, and i've decided to just make my own army lists instead of trying to follow what online content creators and event players recommend, because its beardy hogwash the lot of it and i dont want to sic that kind of foul tomfoolery on my friends and locals.
>>97749456>Hell the Nehkeherans were fucking importing gunpowder weapons from Cathay before the creation of Vampires and apparently used these weapons against Nagashsometimes it's difficult to remember that the Spooky Mummies were a prosperous human empire before getting turned into Spooky Mummies
>>97751664I still wonder how Nehekara works on a day-to-day basis. I read once that most people in Nehekera just live normally, except they're skeletons now.
>>97751679At least one tribe found a way
Has GW been jacking up the prices on stuff? I feel like I bought a Necrosphinx for only 64 bucks in january 2024 off of The Art Store when it launched. It was supposed to be a 15% discount off of 73 bucks. Now it says on the GW website it's 82 bucks, which means the discount price would be 70 bucks.And the chaos stuff looks like theycame out the gate 8 months later with prices already 'adjusted' to the 'new inflation adjusted price', and then kept pumping them up.It felt like specifically on release, TOW was cheaper than most equivalents, but GW worked hard to jack the prices as fast as possible to remove the big incentive to grab an 82 dollar box of guys off the shelf.
>>97751697Where's that from? I've been in an Egyptian mood for a while, so a supplement about the Tomb Kings would scratch that itch I have.
>>97751698By the same token, the battalion absolute kicks the fuck out of buying individual boxes. No clue why you would buy individual boxes. Only problem is that HELLCANNON MY BELOVED is MTO.
>>97751703The 6e army book(p14)That would be the place to start.
>>97751698>It felt like specifically on release, TOW was cheaper than most equivalents, but GW worked hard to jack the prices as fast as possible to remove the big incentive to grab an 82 dollar box of guys off the shelf.TOW still is much cheaper than equivalents, but yes, like every other game system they had their prices raised. The regular TOW box here in Canada went up by 7% on average. Since you seem to genuinely not be in the know. GW increases prices for all their games every year. It's standard practice.
>>97750909Working on a hill. Will add some grassy patches once the ink dries.
>>97751711Yes the standard deal for Battalions is that you pay for slightly over 2 kits and you get 3 kits. Probably why they got rid of the Cathay battalion, as it was the same paying for slightly over 2 kits but you got 3.5 in it.
>>97751194God forbid choosing a more reasonable solution because papa GW will be upset.
>>97751715Ha, darn. I really love the RPG, but its focus on the Empire can be a bit disappointing.>>97751720This makes me hungry.
>>97751721so does cathay just not have a battalion now? i thought those were meant to be perpetual products
>>97751731Some of them are limited stock like many of the 40k Combat Patrol boxes.
>>97751731They are meant to be evergreen yes, Cathay will be getting a new reboxed battalion that will almost certainly be a worse deal than the current one. Lots of those battalions still out there at third party stores though if people want them. But they won't be there forever.
>>97751739Battalions are meant to be evergreen. Reinforcement Sets are meant to the be the limited run " fomo " box. The Cathay Defenders box is an example of a fomo box, the Cathay Battalion was supposed to be everygreen, at least for the edition
>>97751365Does anyone make adapters for 20mm circles?
>>97751717>like every other game system they had their prices raised. The regular TOW box here in Canada went up by 7% on average.But the thing I'm saying is that>Tomb Kings launch you pay 73 bucks for monster>CW launched 8-9 months later, they already jacked tomb kings up to 78 bucks, they launch CW at 82 bucks>then jack it up to 89 bucks the next yearIt FEELS like they're priced things low and then rapidly pushed price increases out much faster than other lines.
>>97751697I wonder how these guys would hold up, cutting off the imperium stuff, as a "counts as" scythan horseman unit.
>>97751904They’re fucking dogshit why would you even consider that. >scythian That’s something you would need actual women for.
>>97751717>TOW still is much cheaper than equivalentsIs it actually cheaper than aos, for your standard 2k point game? Per model absolutely, but I'm talking about an army here. I've heard that aos is a lot cheaper than 40k because of the points prices, while in terms of pure plastic it's actually pretty close. I'm wondering how close tow and aos are on that front.
ALSO surprised that Hellcannon isn't "that" expensive, at least relative to how much I value it as a model, even if it's resin. Love me some chaos dwarfs.
>>97751905They're cool and you're wrong.>acutal womanBut that is a woman.
Anyway the reason I posit the Attilians as a Scythan stand in is because Attilians are that kinda Hunnic-Magyaro-Sarmato-Scythian type regiment, so they seem like they'd fit the bill for "Scythans", a tribe meant to be like Scythians.
>>97751912The things I would actually buy from age of sigmar like the giant bugs are heavily overpriced, but the shit I don't want is very reasonable. Funny, that.
>>97751912there's talk that 40k is going to do the same and raise points per model drastically to cut down on cost of investment, it's probably why they are so desperate to separate all ranges and remove cross system kits.
>>97751914really not a fan of the 40k style flesh chaos tech, Much prefer FW's chorfs.
>>97751912Tow and aos are pretty close barring a tow army using metals or mto stuff, which is much more expensive. 40k is way more expensive though, the game is up to like $1 per point for a lot of armies now
>>97750909Getting pissed painting the details on gors
>>97751952>40k styleHellcannon came before forgefiends and the like.
>>97751904Absolutely mind-blowing how an adult can look at that ass ugly toy and want to purchase it
>>97751711>Only problem is that HELLCANNON MY BELOVED is MTO.Dont worry about it, it cant disappoint you if it isnt on the board. That thing has a ~80% chance of doing absolutely nothing each game, at the tune of almost 200pts or so
Is there any hope for this range being good?
>>97752174no
>>97752174I don’t care for humans getting a 8th faction
>>97752174After seeing what they did and didn't include with Cathay. I am cautiously optimistic. I had little to no hope after what CA did to them, especially in regards to their DLC. But the TOW team is clearly settled on a more grounded overall tone so maybe we won't see magic ice everywhere with giant magic ice bears.
>>97752174>GW release after the year 2008 >being good Kek
>>97752182>the TOW team is clearly settled on a more grounded overall tonethey haven't grounded anything in cathay
>>97752182Which AoS army was your favorite?
>>97752017I suppose but that's what I associate it with now.
>>97752182Cathay’s kinda dogshit though
>>97752189My favorite AoS army is probably Seraphon/Lizardmen because aesthetically they are almost identical to their Fantasy counterpart. Them or Skaven.
>>97752182>grounded
>>97752185>>97752195It's fine if you believe that. We can agree to disagree. As I said, I am cautiously optimistic about Cathay. The new Marauders also did a lot to calm me down. We have come a long way from the awful Foot Knights or that Empire named character WoW looking guy. The new WoC sculpts will be another good gauge.
>>97752209>The new Marauders also did a lot to calm me down.There’s something utterly disgraceful with this sentence. Is this Perry anon trying to false flag? Fuck off.
>>97752209Name one Cathay kit that doesn't look like millennialslop
Samefag more, you're very subtle and definitely not obvious.
>>97752202Yea, its a hot air baloon. Its got aids rules, but aesthetically its just a hot air baloon.
>>97752231Used to have AIDS rules, now it's really mid at best.
>>97752231Ah, so you're just pretending to be retarded as a form of bait
>>97752231It's best to not engage obvious samefag bait, let him seethe with his feminine hysterical energy.
>>97752209>We can agree to disagreebut why do you think cathay was grounded? do you actually think cathay was grounded or did you gaslight yourself into thinking the kislev release will be good as a coping mechanism?
>>97752233>Used to have AIDS rules, now it's really mid at best.It still is a top tier unit, it just isnt completely cracked like it used to be
>>97752259It's self evident. The craziest thing they have is Miao Ying, one of the dragon children. Their armies are regular humans, wielding regular weapons, clad in regular armor. They have cannons, hot air balloons, guns and bows. Their cavalry is just well trained/armed heavy cav. Only their dragon blooded nobility ride Longmas.The burden of proof on Cathay being not grounded is on you. As you made the statement. Objectively the range offered is very grounded and save for their Longma and Miao would fit into a game of thrones low fantasy style setting.
>>97751720It looks wet and dry at the same time
>>97752051It's cool, maybe you should accept people have different opinions than you.
>>97752174If they tone down the fucking bears.
Would you be interested in spin-off Black Library books based on the Total War: Warhammer games, focusing on a particular legendary lord campaign adapted into book form?
>>97752112but it's cool as fuck>>97752182>>97752174You guys know you can just buy the Boyar, Strelsi militia, War Wagons, little cannon and Winged Hussar guys right? You don't have ot buy anything with a bear in it, because the bear cavalry is separate from the hussars. You can literally exclude ice bear magic by simply not acquiring those models.
>>97752325The bears are fine imo (except the ice bear that's just retarded and I pray it won't be the centerpiece). The magical ice however has to go. Kislev having bear cav, bear drawn sleds and bear drawn artillery is all ok and fine with the usual Warhammer taking it to 11. The Ice Bear and the magical ice on the sleds/ice guard weapons is too far imo.
>>97752304>would fit into a game of thrones Are you retarded. No genuinely. Keep your comparisons to warhammer not something you clearly know nothing about you fucking retard. You need be 18 years or older to post on this site.
>>97752340Take a midol and maybe don't post on your period.
Ice bear and wild forest people are cool, the bear cavalry is dumb.
>>97752351>wild forest peopleWhat are you talking about?
>>97752174sure, it's implementation was actually a lot better than Cathay and it feels more like a warhammer faction being historical with some flair.
>>97752304the question was how they've been made MORE groundedas in compared to their total war counterparts, because that's what you're expecting kislev to be changed for some reason
>>97752348Maybe don’t post when you’re face isn’t covered in fuckijgnslop you iPad kind
>>97752398>>97752182>After seeing what they did and didn't include with Cathay>didn't includeAs I have said as well. Overall I really like probably 80% of TWW Kislev. The 20% I don't like I really don't like and hope it will be omitted like a bunch of the more out there Cathay stuff was.
>>97752231I'm not sure if it's better or worse that it's actually powered by some kind of phoenix
>>97743128Warhammer fantasy compare and contrast Settra the Imperishable and Nagash, the Great Necromancer. Also if I could have a book on one person's back story before we meet them it would be Settra life.
>>97752304>"Regular units" look like Dynasty Warrior Chinese characters>cannons have ridiculous ogres with ridiculous Jak and Daxter esque top knots >overly giant stone statue men >dragon princess>everyone look like they are a direct copy of Xin Zhao from league of legends >giant balloons that look like Chinese lanterns Grounded
>>97752470You knock those strawmen down anon. Keep fighting the good fight.
>>97752470>>"Regular units" look like Dynasty Warrior Chinese charactersWhat do you have against /eagg/ on /vg/?
>>97752470>Regular units" look like Dynasty Warrior Chinese charactersAnon please the army would have actually been cool if they looked like that. I would even be defending it but it’s looking like dogshit.You have a point on everything else though go ham.
>>97752363The baba yaga dlc that introduced wendigos and forest people and the old lady on the big house monster.
>>97752484There were no forest people or baba Yaga chicken hut wtf are you talking about bro?
>>97752484>>97752494 Be nice to the mother who is daughter of the forest.
>>97752506She doesn’t have a chicken hut monster. I’m starting to think you don’t actually know anything about Kislev in TWW and are just vibe posting
>>97752506This is kinda the only part of Kislev range I want. The chariots, the hunters, and the monsters.
>>97752515Now she's now the old THE scary old witch Lady of the and also a chicken leg hut is not going to be very useful in a Battlefield. Also naming things exactly what clearly inspiring them is just lazy.
>>97752484A wendigo isn't a deer monster. Mournguls and arguably gorgers are actually closer to wendigos than the incarnate of beasts is.
>>97752515>he can't hobbyYou can MAKE a chicken hut using a box and kairos fateweaver's legs.
>>97752535wendigos can be deer if they want, it's a free country.
>>97750834exactly. idk lol ive only seen this low res image on instagoy and facezuck
WENDIGO
>>97750909im sick in bed :-Ddd>>97751005this looks amazing, and i see a good looking ungor(?) in the back there as well!!!
>>97752568Damn old Bretonnia looked AMAZING back when it was sculpted by the Perry twins. Compare your pic (Perry brets) to pic related (not Perry).
>>97752546>in the 2021 film
>>97752555These depictions stem from a modern movie and not the actual myth
>>97752409>like a bunch of the more out there Cathay stuff was.such as? what was translated from total war to tabletop wasn't any more grounded when it came to cathay, why do you expect that to happen to kislev?
>>97752506they had the ONE JOB of giving her a house with legs and they fucked it up
>>97752602Warhammer isn't about the actual myths or the actual history, it's about the pop versions.The actual myths and history is for when you need extra material for additional units.
>>97752602>actual myth Who gives a shit.
>>97752628So you are admitting it's all slop?
>>97752634Well yeah. This is warhammer fantasy. No one actually thinks this stuff is high literature right?
>>97752616Dude you won't accept anything that I write regardless, so I won't bother. I've been clear enough, I am not going to start listing the Cathayan roster from TWW. You can look that up yourself. We've literally had this conversation numerous times before.
Can someone explain this image?
>>97752671Idk whoever made this is a faggot in all likelihood.
>>97752602whatever man, have it your way.
>>97752671The implication is that Prince Imrik aka " Lord of Dragons " aka " Dragontamer " is banging Miao.
>>97752634it was literally created as a shitpost with characters named after michael jackson, and gabagool margaret thatcher is totally not a margaret thatcher reference, trust me, it's not that it's actually illegal in the UK to make funny memes about your leaders.
>>97752669we haven't had this conversation you haven't written anything that actually supports your delusion that cathay been made more grounded by tow from total wartow will have the ice witches guard and they will have the gimmicky ice weaponstow will have the giant ice bear and it will be a giant ice bear
>>97752628>Warhammer isn't about the actual myths or the actual history,Then why did they get it right with the mourngul? I'm not criticizing warhammer, I'm criticizing that poster.
>>97752700there's no pop version of the mournghul
>>97752631I do. It went from a genuinely unsettling representation of avarice and greed displayed through an evil spirit overcoming a person and having them become a fucked up cannibal to just "generic deer monster".
>>97752700>Then why did they get it right with the mourngulIt’s because blood borne was popular
>>97752707I don't understand this reply.
>>97752697I literally wrote a whole post about it in this thread. But your purpose isn't to discuss in good faith, so you pretend like I didn't. I won't bother wasting any more time on you. Pearls before swine.
>>97752506>new witch spell lore>one of the spells is a goofy bear bombardmentThey truly can't help themselves
>>97752729Why are you so fucking emotional?
>>97752711I'm with you on this one. All we can really do is praise it when it's done right.
>>97752671>yin yin>aqua look alike
>>97752729>I literally wrote a whole post about it in this threadand didn't answer the question
>>97752725follow the reply chain>>97752555>anon likes the popularised version of the wendingo>>97752602>anon says that the popularised version of the wendingo isn't accurate to the original >>97752628>anon says Warhammer concerns itself with the popularised versions of things more than the accurate versions of things>>97752700>anon asks why warhammer concerned itself with the accurate version of the mourngul>>97752707>anon says it's because there exists no popularised version of the mourngul that would take precedent over the accurate one
>>97752671when Cathay lore was leaked in 2019 they had a retarded blue girl of water, and konosubar was still current since the movie came out and s2 was in 2017, so it hadn't yet become a dated reference.
>>97752711https://www.britannica.com/topic/wendigo>Some legends say the wendigo is an emaciated figure with ashen flesh. Others describe it as a giant creature up to 15 feet (4.5 metres) tall or as a beast that grows larger the more it eats. It may have sunken or glowing eyes and sharp yellowed fangs and claws. Its lips are chewed or entirely missing because it has eaten them. It may be hairless or have fur, and it may have pointed ears and horns or antlers like a deer. It smells of rotting flesh and is usually first detected by humans by its horrible odour.>like a deer
>>97752335>but it's cool as fuckit is, but damn if I dont miss it causing every wizard to miscast, and be able to manipulate the miscast rolls by +-1
>>97752671>>97752684>Cathayan Dragons, who have chosen to rule over the Human creations of the Old Ones, look down on this Dragon-mortal partnership and their distant kin. They see the Western Dragons allowing themselves to be ridden by mortals as an outrage, an insult. This attitude has extended to Grand Cathay's attitude towards the Elves, who view Dragon riders with disdainhehe, horny dragon slut debasing herself for some elf
>>97752781>>anon asks why warhammer concerned itself with the accurate version of the mourngulThat's a misunderstanding. I was saying that the mourngul is an accurate wendigo.
>>97752906Darn EFY posters at it again!
>>97752384Disgusting lack of armor
>>97752813It's adding in the more recent pop culture depictions. Like how literally now also means figuratively due to high-schoolers from the 2000s misusing it en mass.
>>97752917my bad, then the post still applies >>97752628>The actual myths and history is for when you need extra material for additional units.
>>97752384Why is he fat.
>>97753094>fatDYEL self-report
>>97753094I wish I saved the Empire State Troop vs Kislev Kossar comparison pic. But Kislevites are big strong men whereas Southerners are soft bodied tiny boys.
>>97750115>juggalo beastmennow thats an idea i'm gonna fuck around with
>>97753408Kosaken, hey, hey, hey, leert die Gläser (hey, hey)Natascha, hah, hah, hah, du bist schön (hah, hah)Towarischtsch, hey, hey, hey, auf die Liebe (hey, hey)Auf dein Wohl, Mädchen, he, Mädchen, ho (hey, hey, hey, hey)Kislev, Kislev, wirf die Gläser an die WandKisland ist ein schönes Land, ho-ho-ho-ho-ho, hey!Kislev, Kislev, deine Seele ist so großNachts, da ist der Teufel los, ha-ha-ha-ha-ha, hey!Kislev, la-la-la-la-la-la-laLa-la-la-la-la-la-la, ho-ho-ho-ho-ho, hey!Kislev, Kislev, la-la-la-la-la-la-laLa-la-la-la-la-la-la, ha-ha-ha-ha-haOhh, oh-oh-oh-ohOh-oh-oh-ohOh-oh-ohKislev, Kislev
>>97750909Finished this rocky hill for my pet Tower to play on. Behold my 2" elevation change, you'll never get my necromancer now! >>97751005Beautiful, stay boney!
>>97753803Kino. I like your photoshop jobs too
>>97752751Yin-yin is a useless water-themed dragon.Aqua is a useless water-themed goddess.It tracks.
Boole, the most reputable AoS leaker with the best track record of literal years of very specifically correct leaks has written that AoS is going to have an End Times event next edition and that they will reboot it into a more Warhammer Fantasy like universe.
>>97753880Don’t care.
>>97753902Their biggest leaker with the best and longest reputation is literally admitting AoS lost.
We won lads. AoS lost.
>>97752642Everything you thought was cool at 12 is in fact the peak of literature, anon. Didn't you not know?
>>97754049The stuff I thought was cool at 12 aligned with Aztec religion.
>>97754058Bloody-handed sacrifices to uncaring or actively hateful gods is pretty sick. Sounds like peak literature to me.
>>97753880>>97753927>>97753984Not even worth entertaining the idea of this being real. If they rebooted their new setting a mere decade after killing the previous one, they'd lose whatever trust and good will they still have from the fanbase, specially those who gave them a chance after the first time. Might as well get rid of fantasy Warhammer games period and double down on 40k at that point.
>>97754114It makes sense. AoS as a setting is a failed idea. They can reboot the setting and make it more close to WHF but in the far future and it will appeal to way more people. Like even AoS fans don't care about the AoS lore/setting.
>>97754123I cared from about malign portents to end of 2e when for a brief period the storytelling was cool
>>97754123It's true yeah, AoS worldbuilding is just really, really bad
>>97754123They still invested money in their plastic crack, and regardless of how little attachment they may have to the setting itself, the fact GW can one day simply reset the board would be a pretty bad sign.This hypothetical reboot setting can't come out well either, no matter what. If they do a proper rebuild from scratch then some factions will have to get heavily altered or even downright squatted, pissing people off. Alternatively, if they leave all the factions untouched so as to not rustle any feathers, they'll be repeating the same mistake early AoS did, where you could field yout old Fantasy armies because the setting came out as worthless malleable putty, and they lazily let you transplant your old Empire/lizardmen/etc armies, only giving them identity years later.
>>97754209I think you're being a bit overly doomerish. It actually sounds like a really good idea from GW to make AoS more grounded and more directly related to WHFB. If we can basically get WHFB on circle bases I would be open to trying that. I think a lot of other people would be too.
>>97752304You are correct. But you see the problem is you're arguing with obstinate retards on 4chan with a hateboner for cathay who are dug in on their position regardless of the truth You will never get them to admit they are wrong
What sort of protection from shooting can Bretonnia take? I've been playing more games of Old World and we don't have Banner of Defence anymore, though there is the Banner of Swirling Wind.
>>97754306I think it really was a major mistake to have AoS not be a continuation of WHFB like how HH and 40K are connected. I think it would have been easier to stomach the ending of the setting if they were able to tell fans that a faction like the Kharadron Overlords are the direct continuation of the Engineer Guilds and how they evolved in the far future instead of a convoluted rewrite of reality.
>>97754821> to have AoS not be a continuation of WHFB like how HH and 40K are connectedthat is exactly what it is though
>>97753927If we're being tehnical the biggest leaker with the best and longest reputation is whitefang, followed by whitefang back me up. Boole is pretty new
>>97754839It really isn’t. If I had some Traitor Marines in 30k, I can have them still be around in 40k as a direct continuation. Maybe the Praetor became a proper Chaos Lord or ascended to a Demon Prince leading the war band. Loyalist 30k Marines can still inspire dudes in 40k cause it’s on the same timeline. But AoS destroyed and rewrote reality. You can’t have your Dwarves from WHFB be the distant ancestors of your Dwarves in AoS because Chaos won and everyone died. They aren’t even called Dwarves anymore.
Going to be looking for my first game pretty soon.How many units is considered good sport in a battle marche 500pt match?My list is basically hero + three units but because the wizard is attached to some dudes it's really more like 3.Infantry block of 15 dudes supported by wizard heroArcher / scout unitMonstrous infantry block of 4 big boysIs this too lean to be fun?
>>97754881this is wrong, but the amount of effort it would take to post all the lore that proves it, just for you to come back with a "nuh uh" isnt worth my time, so okay. believe what you want.
>>97753880>didn't even release malerion in time for me to burn my shadow aeaelf armyAw shucks
>>97754881>You can’t have your Dwarves from WHFB be the distant ancestors of your Dwarves in AoSthat's literally the case, anon, the bugman's line still lives for example
>>97753880Makes sense. A lot of AoS factions/tomes are fun in a vacuum but the world they live in is unsalvageable.
>>97752671No taste subhumans who think konosuba is more than a 6/10 and obsessed with slamming their interests together without any consideration or prudence
>>97755046You don't need to be a big fan to want to fuck Aqua and Megumin
>>97755055I would expect you to have more self respect than that anon, at least for the former. Her figure is mediocre given the medium, her brain is lacking and being a drunkard is not an uncommon trait.Maybe you watched the show while growing up, that's the only out I can afford you.But enough off topic posting, are there any chances we'll be getting anything at Adepticon this week like how the snuck in the Middle Earth logo in an update, or is it time to knuckle down and work on projects instead of hoping
>>97755076how many times anon, we know there is nothing until 2nd edition at the end of the year.
>>97755158It's news to me, hence why I asked. Thank you for letting me know.
>>97753880While that would be really fucking funny, there is a 0.001% chance that it will actually happen.If they were to "reboot" AoS, they would transition it to a new "era", like how 40k got away with Gathering Storm (which was 40k's End Times event).Just a sharp "setting dead now" won't happen since the blowback would be too damn big, like it was with the ET.
>>97753880>AoS is merged with TOW.Actual worst case scenario right there.
>>97755076>>97755158This guy is trolling. No news at Adepticon but the warriors of chaos new battalion should be revealed in 2-3 weeks as they already took down the old one from the webstore
Had my first tough loss as Dwarfs. Messed up in deployment and a couple of my units didn’t even get to participate, including my Ironbreakers. Lesson learned though, deployment is huge for Dwarfs since they aren’t really going anywhere.Also giants are no joke, even with handguns I barely scratched the big retard.
>>97755358Kino board set up. And yeah, dwarfs are hard to play because they are quite unforgiving. You wouldn't think so because of how durable they are, but Fantasy is a game of movement first and foremost.
>>97752906>They see the Western Dragons allowing themselves to be ridden by mortals as an outrage, an insultAs opposed to fucking with mortals?
>>97755576it's only insulting when you lay underneath
Why does the rocket ogre have a barrel? The rockets are already fully assembled. Why would he need to carry around more gunpowder? Both builds just seem to fit the cannon more if anything.
>>97755620It's beer for the thirsty crew
>>97755620tbf why would you need an orge loader for the rockets anyway?
>>97755645more rocket
>>97755620>>97755645modularity with the other build
>>97755597So Miao is amazon-position enthusiast
>>97755689yes, I was trying to not be explicit about it, but yes, that's exactly it
Biology is so unfair. Dragon Chad can just fuck every human and elf he wants and let them deal with the shuggy brats. Dragon Stacy has to humiliate herself and then spend 9 months in human form and useless.
>>97753880AoS was designed to solve 1 problem with WFB and do literally nothing else. The problem of course is how to have reconcile in lore different, distant factions fighting each other. Tbh this was never the big deal GW thinks it was, because surely even insular factions can send out expeditionary forces from time to time (such as Cathay's expedition to the Old World, or the Empire/Norsca/Southern realms going to Lustria).AoS solves this by creating a backdrop setting that might as well be as big as 40k so that any faction can conceivably be in any realm and therefore find occasion to fight other factions. That, and portals are all over the place to connect the thing like it's one big rubiks cube.Trouble is when you design a setting where anyone can be anywhere, the underlying geography stops mattering since the realms appear to be endless in practice anyway. It's like, why fight over the land when there's so much of it and each party can perhaps go their own way without clashing and expending it's resources.
>>97755784Also re expeditions - GW should remember what size people's armies are. Your average warhammer fantasy army at 2k or 3k points is obviously (compared to the scale of thousands in history warfare) only a expeditionary or skirmishing type of force, or else is representative of a larger force but to an unclear degree.
>>97755754They're shapeshifters, they can grow cocks
>>97755754they probably lay eggs, it's not like they're mammalsthat's gotta be somebody's fetish, surely
>>97755784>and do literally nothing else.it was 3 problems actually:portals so anyone can be anywhere and fight anyone else at any timeexpanding the scope of the map, timeline and amount of magic to allow as many developments or over the top concepts demolishing the status quo do it can be rebuilt entirely around fantasy marines
>>97755819I don't think human shugengan come out of eggs though that would be funny.
>>97755824Well, the point is kinda the same in that a 'fast and loose' setting (or you could say broad but shallow setting) like AoS was never going to be as meaningful or interesting as WFB
Thinking about buying the beasthahahha no I can't even kid about it look at these goobers
>>97755784are you fucking serious.
>>97755875I'd buy the shit out of these if they weren't metal. No because metal sucks, but because metal models are expensive as fuck.
>>97755875The boars are kinda cute tho
>>97755887My sex life is none of your business
>>97755875Mewing level: Wood Elf
>>97743128Kind of wish renegade crowns had access to a natural weapon skill 4 infantry unit. A foot knight or a dopple soldier or something. Bretonian is the human faction with a heavier focus on cavalry, Empire has a heavier focus on artillery, so I wish renagade crowns had more of a focus on infantry (which they kind of do a bit already with the possibility to upgrade sellswords to plate armor). That way I could make a neat footknight based human army.
>>97755784the problem AoS was designed to solve is that people fucking HATE rank and flank gameplaythey wanted a fantasy game on rounds so 40k players can easily jump over and learn. rank and flank gameplay is industrial grade new player repellent, especially fantasies ultra complicated version of it that takes 400 pages to explain.
>>97755875We got done so dirty by having a bunch of AoS locked shit and massively overpriced metals. Many of which aren't even good looking.
>>97755954I like rank and flank gameplay. That's why I play Warhammer Fantasy. I was a new player when I started and it was totally fine. Newbs can and will learn. If anything, having to keep track of skirmishing units is way more complicated than having units be in ranked regiments. One is a bunch of single models you have to move individually and the other is just rectangles.
>>97755965>I like rank and flank gameplay>I was a new player when I started and it was totally finerecognize the signs
>>97756007Well other people are stupid and they should go play worse games if they can't wrap their heads around rank and flank. Don't fuck up the game I love so that normalfags can have fun instead.
>>97755954people hate rank and flank because they feel it is constricting but then proceed to bitch and moan about skirmish being exploitable and the various measures taken by GW to prevent exploits like conga-lines in AoS2.0, terrain LoS in HH and even in TOW with skirmish visibility being restricted to 180 degrees. Playing within restrictions is how you balance gameplay.
>>97756108 conga lines can be solved by just saying models from units with 5 + models need to be in cohesion with two other models from the same unit
Idk how people enjoy non-rank and flank games that use more than 20 models. I’d get pissed having to move every single ork or tyranid in a horde list. I’d expect some kind of movement tray to be more common but I never see them.Luv me rank and flank.
>>97755496Thank you! Me and my bud plan to start scratch building terrain soon too.But yeah, the diagonal deployment messed me up. My Ironbreakers spent the whole game rounding a forest. Noted for next time. Probably gonna play my Beastmen for next game!
>>97756108people hate it because there are 20 pages explaining how to calculate a rank bonus or 10 pages explaining how to wheel a unit or 15 pages about how units fleethey hate it because fantasy is and always been an obscenely dense system for what its actually doingalso less of a factor but still an issue, units needing to rank up, particularly on the older smaller bases of 8th ed and before, made the units by necessity incredibly boring to model and look at. you hate tin soldier syndrome because any variance in pose would either make the unit physically difficult to rank (like the new aos saurus warriors) or make it look like a jumbled brown mess (like the new marauders), so the model kits were dull as watching wallpaper dry
>>97756208>or make it look like a jumbled brown messThis is why we had ultra high contrast proto-eavy metal painting style, but yeah their new approach does tend to make brown mushes
>>97756220the problem with that is that its not an issue if you space the models out. the new marauders look amazing 1 by 1, but taken as a ranked unit the whole thing just looks like a dirty shag rug.so like, as a company right? as a toy producer? you're stuck with a sort of paradox. do you make models that physically look worse, but fit a rigid game systems rules better, or do you make models that look great, but dont work as well in the rigid game rules?
>>97756150Yah, I like it because it makes position mean didilly. there is nothing better than being able to take on a more powerful unit with a less powerful one due to smart positioning/ enemy getting out of position.
>>97756258How about they just make the models look like the ones they used to make back when they actually designed models to look good both individually and when they were ranked up?They used to do that, you know.
>>97756273>They used to do that, you know.yeah when the game was selling so well the entire IP got outsold by the tactical space marine box? by paint? when it sold so well they literally cancelled the game for 10 years?sure
YOU DISGUSTING CHUDS KILLED AGE OF SIGMAR IT WAS THE ONLY GOOD THING IN MY LIFE IT GAVE ME THE STRENGTH TO START TO TRANSITION I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU
>>977562851984-1997, anon.Go back to /aosg/, you people aren't sending your best.
>>97756108Please rank GWs shit tier implementation of rank and flank because it devolves into umm actually bullshit and angle shooting instead of actually focusing on the ranks, flanks, and manuevering. And no, have a tiny charge blocker unit forcing a unit to redirect or not charge isn't 'being tactical' it's literally why people hate GWs rank and flank
>>97756297>WHF hasnt looked good in 30 yearsim not sure you realize what you just admitted lol
>>97756291after one cataclysmic apocalypse, it flourished.After a second cataclysmic apocalypse, it will get even better
>>97756341Oh I do, and I stand by what I said.
>>97755576>>97755689>>97755731is she confirmed to have mortal descendants? I thought it was only Zhao Ming who enjoyed using mortals as sex toys
>>97756297the 90s had shit design. soulless corporate slop by that point. only the 80s models were any good
>>97756352That within two or so years of releasing 40k, it was outselling fantasy to a comical extent?
>>97755784I actually appreciated that the AoS getting had the same sense of cosmic scale as 40k. This made the stakes so much higher than on a single planet
>>97756342This may be GW's unironic line of thinking.>We did the End Times, and AoS now sells better than Fantasy>We did Gathering Storm, and now 40k sells better than it used to.>So if we kill AoS, then "The Last World" will sell even better.
>>97756402Why are you here then? Grog has their own general.
>>97756603>>97756603>>97756603>>97756603New
>>97756404No, that's a completely different sentence. Are you high?
>>97756392miao ying is not called the matriarch of nan gau for nothing what we know is that the first shugengan was born in the year 0, and that at some point either before or after that, all dragon children were ordered to mingle with humans to create at least one bloodline of shugengans each in the year1, miao ying took a trip to the empire to meet sigmar for the first timeshe definitely fucked him
>>97755620It's a barrel full of grenades for the crew I guess
