BIG tank commander edition Previous Heresy:>>97738648>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/qdYzem>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread Question:How would you decorate or differentiate your tank HQ choice?
first for come home white man
>>97743327Is it really that hard to convert Custodes from 2d artwork into 3d models? At the very least you'd think they'd be able to include triggers for their guns.
>>97743333I imagine this is probably something STL creators have already made in advance, but yeah it's a retarded oversight. At least I hope it was done to make way for Adrasite/Adrathic later
>>97743333as it turns out artwork is a shit way to make real models.
Is an all tank army possible for HH?
>>97743416No.
>>97743333>>97743410it's a button trigger at the end of the mechanism you blind fucks>>97743327custodes wearing chestplates is nulore, get fucked
>>97743416you can just take the cheapest Command options possible and leave them in reservebut you will lose
>>97743429>it's a button trigger at the end of the mechanism you blind fucksPlease point it out for me in an image, I can't see shit.
I'm planning on making a massive tank sized company banner and a little officer crest for the tank commander for my Epic Scale Sicarian Arcus CommanderBoth have serious issues the crest is just going to be very hard to model with greestuff and extremely thin plasticard and for the banner I'm un-decided if I'm going to: >draw the banner on an glossy paper then shrink it down tiny, print and paint, >draw and paint the banner on an A6 palette sheet then shrink and print in full colour>just try to draw and paint a absolutely tiny banner
>>97743473make a little flag out of tinfoil and freehand that shit.
>>97743416Armoured Support is probably the most efficient detachment per points, but you still need Command models at all. Easy enough to get transports for a mechanized list otherwise. Armoured Command Sections do exist for Solar Auxilia, but you're not getting any sources of Line.
>>97743416>>97743486Yeah, tanks only is gone, mechanized is very real, very fun, and very viable (if not a little oppressive if you lean on too much AV14)
>>97743469This gets brought up pretty often lately and i never ever see a rebut once this request is made, at what point are they just obviously baiting
>>97743469>>97743531What talking to chumps comes with homework now?
I appreciate the leaker but man, a whole journal and all we get is a decurion no one needs and the whirlwind? Tank detachments locked to missions? That's fucking cringe bro
Think about <your dudes>. Really think about them for a minute. Ponder them, even.Who would their titan legion nemesis be?
>>97743327That is a very odd hip to waist to shoulders ratio for an armour ment for a man. Extremly slender.
What mark of armour are the new crews of rapier weapon platforms wearing, does anyone know?
>>97743620Some esoteric side variant not worthy of a numerical designation apparently. I think it was called Castellan pattern?
>>97743523What legion fren? Those are sick.
>>97743602Maybe Oberon since world eaters helped steal their Imperator class titan (and presumably chop shop it and part it out since its never fucking mentioned again) or maybe Praesagius since in the campaign i'm working on a battlegroup of the biggest bushwacking, mass reactive sack shooting and chainaxe tolchoking vanguard elements of the World Eaters 10th Company will be hitting some of their holdings.
>>97743614they are twinks scaled up to 7 feet tall (about average for male fashion model twinks) this is fully established canonically and factually. Any Custodes who bulk too much ruin their perfect chest to hip ratio get locked up in Khangba Marwu forced to discuss powerlifting with the Crusader Host.
>>97743703Blackshields dusk raiders
Fafnir Rann for absolute grandstanding phalanx warder spam
>>97743254Isn't that not a legal build because the Lanius can't be taken by superheavies?
>>97743833You know I've never considered it before, but the Dusk Raiders colour scheme is just the SW one but with a red arm
how often do talons of the emperor and emperor himself use symbols other than aquila and screaming faces? I remember seeing a lion head somewhere... must have been ordo sinister.
>>97743907>phalanx warder spamwhat?
>>97743476I was going to use glossy heavyweight paper or strips of palette paper treated with modge podge like people used to do 75 years ago in 1996 but I think you are right I'll do it all on a final size banner by making it as large as is seemly for an epic scale Sicarian and simplifing the design.I originally wanted a world being cracked apart via realistic jaws with Company numeral superimposed (which I could draw on A6 size). I just MS Paint sketched a much easier pair of steel riveted jaws chomping an intact world with the V of Vth Armoured superimposed. The Obverse being the chapter numeral and a few of parchment coloured strips with fake nagrikali script battle honours.
>>97743559>you see this random knob? that's the trigger>why is it in an air cooled housing?>it's a power trigger, don't worry about it
>>97743937That's why I decided 10 years ago to do the metallic scheme, like a fool, not realizing that just meant that people mistook them for iron warriors instead
>>97743559Yes actually when you make a claim it tends to help to back it up with some sort of proofAlso you are very stupid if you think that is a trigger button
>>97743416Lots of tanks, yes. All tanks? Probably not
>Nobody knows about marines being able to mag-lock stuff to their armour any more>Or bolters having an info-link in the grip that allows power armour to have an ammo count in the helmet's HUD>Or custodes weapons being genetically linked to their wielder>Instead they cry and shit themselves over not having enough leather straps for slung bolters, and there not being a visible trigger on custodian spearsI remember when people knew 40k/HH was a sci-fi setting.
>>97743416Yes. Command Rhino's are a command choice, so you can take a detachment for each one. With four tanks per command rhino, four empty light transports, and two super-heavies in a lords of war detachment you can fill a lot of points. Not being able to control objectives would be an issue during a game though. But you would definitely have enough vehicles to make a wall of steel across the table which nothing can move through, so getting to the objectives would also be a problem for the enemy lol.
>>97744086Nu-mark cringe aside very nice army. Have you considered adding Perty?
>>97744103I do have him, I just never got around to painting him. I want him to look good and I'm not convinced my mass batch painting method is going to work in the same way on a centrepiece model. Also my airbrush is fucked currently.
>>97744109Completely fair.
All that’s left to do is black the base rims. Adepticon prep over.What are you working on Anon?
>>97744180Just finished these, taking a small breather whilst deciding what to paint next.
Worth reading? I hear it has Alpha Legion, Imperial army and Titans in it, all of which I love, but I'm not a massive fan of IWarriors.
>>97743602Legio Crucius, without a doubt. Legio Crucius seeks revenge on the Legio Vulturum for their involvement in the Siege of Ryza. My traitor Ravenguard, some ancient enough to remember the Rangdan Xenocides, find themselves resupplied and rearmed by the Xanite mechanicum. As a show of mutual support a small maniple of Vulturum titans and their attendant support vessels follow the roving nomad predation fleet. Striking as a weapon of terror and retribution at worlds seeking to disavow the warmaster’s new dark imperium.The Vulturum maniple, and their traitor astartes allies are annihilated to the last, still flying the eye of Horus at the outset of the Great Scouring. Laying down their lives in defence of a traitor muster world, brought to heel by Legio Crucius and mixed Mechanicum and Ultramarines elements.
>>97744182Absolutely gorgeous anon, the checkerboarding is really well done.
>>97744180I've started working on some SoH Chieftains and I've got to go into town to get a box of Breachers because the printed shields I got from ebay/etsy were far too big and I'm not waiting around for another week or two to get on and print just for the sake of some extra spikes. Hey, at least I get some extra mkiii bodies this way.
>>97743602Legio Solaria My Emperor's Children are deployed in support of Legio Vulpa and House Devine during the Titandeath and Solaria kill their Praetor and most of his bodyguard, a Praetor they adored and who they practically worshipped ever since he brought them enlightenment following Kynska's Maraviglia. Since then, they've been aiding Devine and Vulpa in bringing down Solaria God-Engines so they can tear them open and defile those within in order to take their revenge.
>>97744197>My traitor RavenguardNeat, there's something you don't see everyday.
>>97744224Corax’s convictions were divorced from the reality of his life, and he punished those he thought too barbarous. He was weak. The Warmaster was not.
>>97744102>With four tanks per command rhino, four empty light transports, and two super-heavies in a lords of war detachment you can fill a lot of points.If you want to use Spartans as your tanks, that goes up to 4 "tanks" and 4 rhinos as blockers per command rhino
>>97744323True, but I would highly advice against using spartans as battle tanks. Too high point cost for the amount of firepower they bring, really need a good unit to transport for a spartan to be worth it.
>>97744221>Since then, they've been aiding Devine and Vulpa in bringing down Solaria God-Engines so they can tear them open and defile those within in order to take their revenge.They seem nice.
>>97744337True. That aside, going over the Command Vox Relay the command rhinos get, I didn't see anything that says it can't be used on vehicles. Don't think Line (1) would help them at all because they can't score anyway, but wouldn't they technically be able to benefit from Vanguard (1) and score VP for wiping out enemy units that you couldn't wall off from objectives with rhinos?
>>97743254Big
>>97743254>>97744350Tank
>>97744348Good catch, can't find anything that would prevent vehicles from collecting points through Vanguard. Actually going to use that trick in my lists, a fellblade with Vanguard sounds real fun.
>>97744190Yeah I liked the audiobooks
>>97744366>a fellblade with Vanguard sounds real funMight be one of the few ways to properly make it fire after the nerf
>>97744102>>97744323>>97744337>>97744348>>97744366>>97744369So I decided to work this one out for shits and giggles:>Crusade Detachment (Iron Hands) - 600 pts>2x Damocles Command Rhino (Command) w/ Combi-Bolter, Havoc Launcher and Armatus Necrotechnika - 140 pts>4x Rhino (Transport) w/ Combi-Bolter, Havoc Launcher and Armatus Necrotechnika - 80 pts>Lord of War Detachment (Iron Hands) - 720 pts>Fellblade (Lord of War) w/ Armatus Necrotechnika and Decurion Magna - 720 pts>Armoured Support (Iron Hands) - 840 pts>Kratos (Armour) w/ Melta Blast Gun, 2 Autocannons, Havoc Launcher, Dozer Blade, Armatus Necrotechnika and Decurion Locus - 380 pts>2x Predator (Armour) w/ Magna-Melta, Havoc Launcher, Dozer Blade, Armatus Necrotechnika and Decurion Locus - 170 pts>Whirlwind (Armour) w/ Pyrax Missiles and Armatus Necrotechnika - 120 pts>Armoured Support (Iron Hands) - 840 pts>Kratos (Armour) w/ Melta Blast Gun, 2 Autocannons, Havoc Launcher, Dozer Blade, Armatus Necrotechnika and Decurion Locus - 380 pts>2x Predator (Armour) w/ Magna-Melta, Havoc Launcher, Dozer Blade, Armatus Necrotechnika and Decurion Locus - 170 pts>Whirlwind (Armour) w/ Pyrax Missiles and Armatus Necrotechnika - 120 ptsGives you 2 Command Rhinos for applying Vanguard (1), 4 Rhinos to act as blockers that the enemy has to actually destroy because they have Havoc Launchers and Auto-Repair 5+ (like everything else in the list), a Fellblade, 2 Kratos and 4 Predators as your battle tanks, and 2 Whirlwinds to help delete hordes and apply Panic.
>>97744431Would unironically play with or against that list, it sounds real interesting.
>>97744431>>97744440Does the Armatus Necrotechnika give the Auto-Repair or does it do something else?
>>97744446Auto-repair 5+ with a +1 if any models were removed as casualties within 6" of the vehicle.
>>97744182Fantastic anon, crazy shit.
Did they remove legion malcadors?
>>97744221>Legio SolariaThat's a lot of words to say you hate women
>>97744074>nuh uh that's not a to fire the gun it's to synchronize the encabulator
>only 1 new unit in the journal
>>97744561We've had a couple of less blurry pictures last bread.
>>97744573Anything from the talons liber?
>>97744578None that I know of but I wasn't paying attention to that one. Here's the other.
>>97744561Curious about the missions in it. The relic hunt missions from the skitarii journal have been a lot of fun, the local group is probably going to switch entirely to playing those rather than the core rules missions.
>>97744608https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za2SxeirIw8He flips through the missions here before someone posts a full scan
So do the new Custodes models have female bodies or not?
>>97744741if you can't tell the difference, does it matter?
>>97743559That's the switch for the power weapon
>>97744741I think it's an optional 1/3?
>>97743429Do you have any source to back that up?
>>97744761If it's bodies, I'm not sure it's optional
>>97744780To me the boobplate looks like it could pass as just being a muscle cuirassGiven I still prefer the old naked Custodes, this makes sense to me
>>97744741yeah, it seems that half of the bodies have boobplate
>>97744790Boobplate is practically just the female version of a muscle cuirass anyway. It's why I don't see why people bitch about it so much when it appears in fiction, if men were showing off their pecs then a theoretical female warrior is just as likely to do the same.I'm 90% sure the issue is because retarded neckbeards think the contest between medieval armour and weapons was like AT vs tank armour where every advantage counts and shot traps actually matter. It wasn't and having armour that technically directs a sword toward the middle isn't going to actually matter enough to trump style for anyone who'd wear that design anyway.
Oh it’s over over
>>97744810Sags were my favourite custards modelwise
>>97744810If this is because they decided to give the regular 40k ones the melta spears I swear to god...
>>97744810>sagitarrum guard are gone Burn GW to the ground I don't care about the female models or retcons but this is a disgrace
>>97744741See https://taleofpainters.com/2026/03/review-legio-custodes-battle-group/Half the bodies are female.Female bodies are slightly slimmer and have a slight boobplate, that is however mostly covered by the chest ornaments.The two kits have the same bodies, there is just an additional sprue with the weapons.
>>97744810and the sisters?>>97744581wait...its a superheavy? they cant have tactical statuses? the decurion does fuckall besides the reaction bit?
>>97744846Superheavies can still get statuses, they just can't receive them from the vehicle damage table. It let's them ignore shock stun or suppressed basically.
>>97744846It seems, in their anger, the female Custodes killed them.
>>97744853as expectednow I can get mad
>>97744846>and the sisters?I'm afraid in their girlbossing the Femstodes gatekept them.
>>97744810Replace the disintegrator muzzle with a bayonet blade and field them as Guardians.
>>97744853>custodes troon out>destroy SoSThis is up there with the entire Heresy being caused by a certified woman moment. Is GW secretly run by MGTOW chuds?
>>97744878Nah, they're just accidentally really good at writing female characters
>>97744810On the one hand:If theyre going to make custodes so overbearing in everything they do then them being limited in what they CAN do is fine and good and what should be done.On the other hand: Sagitarrum were the coolest looking custdards. Them and the jetpack lads with the pistols.
>>97744869Unironically what I might do with the old custodes I never actually got around to building, I always wanted to make them just a bunch of saggi guard with a small 5 man unit of sentinels for the shield captain to sit in last edition, now I don't even have the reason of sagitarrum being bad or needing a gay other troop choice to stop me. Probably do 18 "sagitarrum" custodian guard, 10 haetaron custodian guard using the warden models, and 5 haetaron aquilons with a shield captain prefect to represent a shield captain in terminator armor and a tribune ixion hale going with the haetaron custodians
>>97744045why do you think that's an air cooler dumbasswhat you think there's a little pc fan on every giant-ass power weapon? idiot
>>97744771custodes wearing chestplates? yeah fucking read a book that isn't codex soupspam you dumb cunt
>>97744810>you will pay more for less and you will like itIt's so over
>>97745083
>>97744581>Pay 60 pts for the superheavy to react like everything else reactsGee golly>And it ignores ShockWhy thanks. Geez.
>>97744839It’s pretty weird the bodies aren’t unisex. Women tend to lose their bust as they become more fit and muscular, so they shouldn’t have huge tits to require a different chest plate, at least not when it comes to outward appearance. Someone definitely made that change to the lore with one in their hands in their pants, cause this just means every Femstode is stacked bust-wise.
>>97745274>cause this just means every Femstode is stacked bust-wise.I mean, all the male custodes are the pinnacle of masculine beauty, why should the female ones be anything other than the pinnacle of feminine beauty?
>>97744561What even is that journal? I'm glad to have the Whirlwind...back... again, but this could've been a PDF instead of a mockery of a book.Imperial Armour died for this.
>>97745298lore and some missions
>>97745291>”You don’t understand Malcador, my bespoke genetic masterpieces need to have tits bigger than my head,”
The new Custodes might be among the worst models GW has released in the last decade together with the new Bretonnians.
>>97745389No they're not anon, the primaris range was released in the last decade, and they contain far worst models than these.
>>97745274This is the ultimate dilemma of female representation in space marines and custodes. The only way you can identify them from the men is if they specifically have sexualized parts and armor, however by doing that you are sexualizing women, which is also against the creed, so you literally cant find a happy medium in it, its a fruitless effort. Either way rip custodes.
>>97744531No, but I wish they had. I envision marine armour as fast moving cannon and assault carriers, like Predators, Sicarans, Rhinos, RAZORBACKS and Land Raiders.Fluff requires that marines have Baneblades (Glaives, Fell blades etc). Fine. But must they also have heavy ponderous tanks like Malcadors and Kratos?Let that be the purview of mortal forces, I'm just saying.
>>97745389keep coping macca
>>97745451Where are the rules for them because I can't find them?>wants razorbacks but not malcadorsWhat.>ponderousThis isn't 40k, 30k malcadors are fast as fuck.
>>97745474Macca likes the models thoughbeit
>>97744431So, a tank army IS viable.>Here's your tank HQ broIdk how to feel about Command Rhinos. It's like half a rhino for extra cost, but with that thing you could get from the MoS. Or you could get an actual MoS and a regular Rhino?I really don't get the Command Rhino's niche.
>>97745500It's a cool model that's a side grade to an existing model's capabilities so you have an alternative. Does it need to be more? It doesn't really fit as a leader of a tank division though I agree, that true astartes would settle for commanding in a dinky little transport amid great behemoths of steel, this isn't real life
So I have a unit of 6 dual sword The Hetaeron Guard. What am I suppose to do with them now, because the unit is not in the book, not in the legacies and the Hetaeron are now an upgrade to regular squad. Are they like gone for ever and I just bought two boxes of wardens and GK, for nothing?
>>97745500Can you have centurions or consuls mounted in tanks? Like lets say a herald flowing the legions banner at the head of a column of tanks
>>97745555Yes. Deserved you filthy polish WAACfag, yeah I know it's you.
>>97745531>>97745570Representing tank commanders is what decurions are for.
>>97745575Nooooo... I have been found out. Well it is what it is. Maybe one day they will be added to w40k.
>>97745581That is cool. I like the idea of a big tanks being a librarian or herald on top of just being a tank. Can you combo forge fathers for self heals too, or did they remove the option as too OP?
>>97745575How is it always Polish anon lmao
>>97745601Dude, what if it is like 3-4 polish dudes or one insane one 18h online. The spread of "poles" is crazy, they pop up in Euro streams, US streams, on holidays, on work days.
>>97745599Iron Fathers still exist, and they do have battlesmith. Could make a super-repair squad of Iron Father, Forge Lord, and some techmarines, and put them all in a command Rhino (or spread them around) Models do need to disembark to repair vehicles now, but let's be real here that's only sensible. Most vehicles can't be repaired from the inside, unless we're talking about something like a battleship.
>>97745487Malcadors were faster in 1.0. Since 2.0 they lost their enhanced speed and got given pseudo-Splitfire instead innit?But yeah I should've said "Large" instead of "ponderous", because they aren't slow by any means. I'm trying to say they are big large hardy fucks
>>97745451>fast>land raiderthe land raider is a slow and ponderous fat shit of a unit, theyre turboaids and should never have been made
>>97745274it's to be hecking inclusive you bigot
>>97745673>theyre turboaids and should never have been madeThis sounds like someone who never brings anti armor
>>97745581Nah. Gimme HQ Predators and/or Sicarans. We had that the two previous editions, but not this time......YET. It'll be in another Journal, you'll see. An entire Journal for a single fucking entry, like this time.
>>97745694I bring lots of anti armor because I hate land raiders and want to kill them.
>>97745673>Hating land raiders
>>97745704Theyre ugly fucking squares, a shoebox with sponsons. Hideous fucking things.
>>97745707>The most iconic fucking vehicle in the game is horrible.Anon i think the aesthetics of this game is not for you then. Get Mk2b'ed
>>97745701That's alright. Killing AV14 is its own reward
>>97745728Its fucking hideous and only liked by faggots with no taste.
>>97745736Fag
>>97745744Shit eating swine
>>97745736*POWER SLIDES UP TO YOU*Get fucked nerd.
>>97745728>could've gotten this>but instead they ruined the Proteus with a tiny front ramp
>>97745760And give 40k a proper LR proxy/compete with the old kit? I think not!
>>97745760If you want the most sexo version of the Land raider you gotta spend like 200 bucks on the fucking thing to get the 40k land raider, then the Mk2b kit then the wrap around tracks from a places called skull and bones or blood and skulls i dont recall but he makes wrap around track kits for 40k LR and they look dope, pic related.
>>97745780The standard 40k kit IS the sexiest version of the land raider.
>>97745794correctBut i love the Mk2 bit on it so much
>>97745797The heavy bolters and the single cupola let it down too much
>>97745736
>>97745780Not even the sexiest for me. That'd be this monstrosity. Just need the an LR hull, B&S tracks, Prometheus glacis, sponsons (was gonna use Stormfang ones, but those are OOP now), and put a pintle HB up top as the replacement hull gun.
>replying to contrarion bait
>>97745759Look at it. Its like a cold war soviet housing block on wheels.
>>97745893So now you like it? Make up your mind
>>97743416No, you can’t score unless you refuse to play missions that are just killing focused which isn’t fun. You can do something like imperial knights which has different scoring. But that’s something different
>>97744810>3.0just say noit's that simple
These were awesome. Sadly they’re no longer available, this is the only one I got.
>>97744810They are killing custodes(this is a good thing)
>>97744810I'm sure they will fix the missing options, the sisters only having 1 named character, one character, one infantry unit and one vehicle along with the missing custodes triggers in the next FAQ.
>>97746019It would be both funny and based if Legacies got updated to include all the missing SoS units but Custodes got none
>>97746001Dude, don't fucking scare me like that. Had to check Elrik's site and they're still there.
>>97745837>sponsonsthe Stormraven sponsons are the same thing without the moonmoonrunes
>>97746005I agree. I cant stand them or the kind of people who play them.
>>97746084Yup. The only shame is that sisters are being dragged to hell with them
>>97746076I've been told the Stormfang ones are Land Raider sized while the Stormraven has Rhino sized doors.
>>97744839>Femstodes actually gave boobplateCoomer bros. We won.
>>97744810Did we get the Hetaeron Guard back?
Should have said James isn’t selling them anymore…
>>97745780That looks dopeThat's made from the 40k crusader?
finaly managed to get enough parts to build a 7th recon/seeker for my shattered legion. I am finding out that Red next to anything bright is an evil colour and that highlighting light colours is impossible. I think my tactical squad is going to be IF or Ironhands kind of a looking.
>>97746333they are an upgrade ala veteran to a regular custodes squads. But no Swords with golden age katans
>>97746292>pedo artist
>>97746426Post proof
multimeltas on deliverers worth it?
>>97746456Basically mandatory
>>97746432Has "little girl" on Pixiv as one of his Liked tags, which is the term used for loli there. It's nearly all CP, and he's liked multiple particular pieces.
>>97746489but aren't all of them 2000 year old elfs and witches?Anyone tried out regular support squads with flamers ?
>>97746513To clear out the 2000 year old elfs?
>>97746489Guess I'm a pedo then. Thank you for categorizing me as problematic.
>>97746456If you like gambling. Meltas are somewhat inconsistent especially with their tiny range vs something like missiles or las across the board but ofc you get big damage in exchange
>>97746523nah. I just have 10 left over flamers and wonder if it is worth using them or just leave them for future projects.
>>97743254Hello fellow kids, have you placed your preorders for today?
>>97746535Flamers are the best they've ever been so go for it. If anything I'm probably going to backport the change to 1.0 when I want to play that edition.
>>97746489Every time I play warhammer I commit warcrimes because inanimate objects have rights.
>>97744209Today's progress on the Chieftains
>>97746525>Guess I'm a pedo thenWell...yeah?
>>97746537I like the fellblade more
>>97746537Glaives are the most boring fellblade chassis tank and are even less appealing when the Kratos volkite exists, since unlike the melta and autocannon the Kratos volkite just looks better straight up.
>>97746620Nothing on the kratos looks good, especially not the turret
>>97746620The kratos might be the ugliest 30k tank, full stop.
>>97746537>200 fucking dollarydoos>176 on ebayFucking hate GW
>>97746394Its just the 40k land raider with the mk2b kit and the track kit by a company called Blood and Kull industry, its not mine i just know how to build it.
Is it socially aceptable to take a dreadnought army now?
>>97746830Yes, as you must suffer the presence of several infantry characters
>>97746840You had to do that anyway in 1.0
>>97746855It's not as cool now.Though stick them in tactical dreadnought armor and you can get by on the technicality
>>97746840I'll just not tske any buy pay for the points and let my opponent have the Kill points
>>97743416Play the T3 chad route and go SA anon, all things a possible when heed the call of T3.Also can you embark onto a transport with a reaction?
Are all Dreadnought helmets the same size?Can you swap them out between chassis?
troon scale cometh. that would be 4 (You)s and 3 abysmal opinions, thank you very much.
>realization that most of the femstodes heads will be used for FSM anywayEh, small favours.
>>97746932No, they're all slightly different sizes, though you might be able to swap them still, except the derdeo which is too long
>>97746936They are literally the same height otjer than the helmet being longer
>>97744180Just did a hobby day with a bro and basic colours batch painting 3k of SoH, lots of detailing, bases and transfers to go. Then cried when I played the dreadclaws because for some reason they have been nerfed into the ground, thanks GW!
no new detachments in mailed fist?
>>97746947>, except the derdeo which is too long
>>97746976That's too tall
>>97746976Bro you can't just leak the new custodes deredeo-orion like that
>>97746586Oh wow SoH in Mk 2 is sexy as fk
>>97746586That's the good stuff. Who designed the helmets and pauldrons?
>>97746915SA can do it, not Militia. What plasma tanks are those?
>>97746915>Also can you embark onto a transport with a reaction?You can unless the reaction specifically says you can't, since no one answered you.
>custodes box instantly sells out>can't find a store with the boxIt's so over
>>97744839The sprues look like they can be built without the cloaks.
>>97747032I got mine, sold out within two minutes in my entire country.
>>97747032Fug
>>97747032Is this a win for Custodes (female)?
>>97746995Cheers anon.>>97747001I got them from Archie's Forge. The helmets are the Mkv ones, the spiky ones are generic (I think you can get them in ii,iii and vi) and the SoH specific ones are hiding on their site outside of the SoH section
Something cool I just realised, we've got full on Female Dreadnoughts now.
>>97747167Time is a flat circle, here at James Workshop HQ.
>>97747167I kinda love the idea of musclemommy Dread honestly.
>>97743523Justed started up some Dusk Raiders myself
MARK 1 ARMOUR WHEN GW?!
>>97747175Forget that give me stern grandmother dread, cutting corrupted inductii down while commenting on how the thunder warriors put up a better fight
>>97747212KEEEEEEK
>>97747192After HH MkVIII and IX, maybe. They did bring them up as being used by Blackshields, so maybe we'll get at least a box set (and a character in recreation of the thunder + crusade armour captain everyone pretends is a thunder warrior). Or start converting, because James' never going to do what you want him to do.
>>97747009Militia can do tanks just fine
>>97743416It is in LI or Epic.
>>97747325Wasn't there a Leman Russ provenance? I can't find it
>>97747442It got deleted, doesn't have a place anymore now that there's no more squadrons and you can take all the tank slots you want, plus the 7 armor slot Apex. Now the industrial provenance gets you access the GSC gear.
>>97745780there are STLs conversion part out there that are compatible with plastics, same as old FW extra armor for both the predator and land rider.
>>97743254cousin's got a couple of these ancient boxes he wants to get rid off + abbadon and the dark vengeance box, but is there anything i could use them for in HH?
painted this guy while quite inebriated last night.I don't know what color to use for the pistol holsters
>>97747538Traitors, obviously. Probably WB, since their rules already give them all sorts of nasty Warp mutations. The current MkIV tacticals are still in the same scale and easy to mix with the CSM bits.
Command squad/chosen done. Specialist squads always feel weird to go since their armament is what's special about them, but still found ways to make them interesting, I think?4 squads left to go before the army is finished!>>97743254>TQ: How would you decorate or differentiate your tank HQ choice?Anything from a fancy character in one of the hatches, to command transfers and fancyer paintwork. Could also give them a handheld banner like the ones in the command squad upgrades to.The special looking helmets in my image are what I use for squad leaders (in the middle), so I'd use them on tank commanders to mark them out vs normal crewmembers.
>>97743602Who are Legio Defensor's titan rivals?
>>97747538A stash like that is better as a bits resevoir rather than straight-from-the-box, but mix in a mkIV kit and do some conversion work and it'd fit.Put them on ebay and I'd bid high
>>97747568Their most notable battles were Beta Garmon and Terra so I guess the traitor forces there.
>>97747550I always make my holsters and straps brown. Just how I do things.
>>97747590Brown is usually a pretty good contrast.
>>97746586Chieftans are kino, hope we get more speshul breachers
>>97746184far as I know they're both based on Rhino doors; neither is full-height on the door mounting (so even if the CAD asset was scaled up from the Rhino-sized Stormraven doors to LR size, it won't be full height)if it's a MkIIb ye be after, that's probably a good thing to do with plasticard and tubes - the only GW parts you'd need would be the doors (which you'd have anyway) and the lascannons (which are all over - four fronts/sponsons from the 40k Leman Russ would do it out of the box, with the sponson drums too)the advantage of building the housing over adapting the Stormwolf is that you can fit it right over both portals (in the Mars) or over the sponson mounting and portal (in the Deimos); if you did have the parts (from either gunship) and wanted to use them, I think you'd probably need to fill the front portal on the Mars flush with plasticard anywaybut what do i know? my dream is to take a Cerastus torso, mount a Dominus head under a Questoris hood, give it Dominus legs with the Cerastus codpiece, Questoris pauldrons and see how it looks before figuring out the arms, but there's no way I'm dropping half a grand on one model I couldn't even use
>>97747192I wouldn't count on it. Tortuga bay do good mk1 thunder warriors for what its worth instead of waiting godknows how long for GW to potentialy (never) do them.Heres one I tacked together for a rainbow warrior based on thier 9th company lore.
>>97747136>>97747001>Who designed the helmets and pauldrons?They're from Red Warden, if you can't see them on his cults page, then they've been copystriked by GW and you need to DM him about them on instagram to get them>>97747032They will come back in stock eventually anon. Its normal for anything new to sell out immediately, but they go on normal sale eventually.
Someone talk me out of a multi melta hss in an Achilles, I think it would be incredibly badass.It would be for my Alpha Legion.
>>97748035melta hss would be redundant in a tank already geared towards causing a breach, you should put something like heavy flamer hss or heavy bolter hss to be the squad that capitalizes on the tank's efforts. With an armistos, of course.
>>97748035As a currently obessed IH fan, I have just purchased 2 Achillies and plan to run them up the guts dropping melta and grav cheap support squads out to blast things. It is a bit shite haivng one melta shot per sponsor a turn if you move and 2 if your stationary but the alternative is just a bunch of S6 voltike shots that dont do alot either. I am taking them purely for the vibes and the quad launchers.
>>97748035>>97748096>Tank geared for causing a breach>Doesn't consider BreachersI might even add a Siege Breaker. Not he'd do anything himself, but seems thematic
>>97748105Transport capacity 6 on the Achilles means tiny squads. better to take 5 man shooting squads on the cheap and punch them up the guts to disrupt enemy formations.
Has there been any other shots of this FW conversion? Looks like the shoulder mounted Sol pattern heavy bolter added to the side of the resin Proteus cupola. Would love to know some more how they did it. Think it's suppose to evoke the old 1st edition Epic Land Raider, which had a bolter mounted next to the cupole (just on the other side).
>>97748156Epic LR showing the bolter next to the cupola.
>>97748156That's not a conversion. It's just a bit that comes with the resin proteus explorator land raider, it also had a multi-melta with the same look.
>>97748125>Tfw the Achilles opens and it's some fucks with a Rapier gunYou already decided to not give it a dozen volkite shots, just so it can carry a bunch of heavy bolters? Non-melta HSS don't really need transport>Mfw DG Melta HSS is so dirty I can't even dare consider them - they'd shoot harder than the Achilles itselfThe Achilles can pick its sponsons, but can't do anything about its Quad gun - and that one's either S5 or S7
>>97748181It looks nothing like the FW pintle HB and looks exactly like the shoulder fired Sol pattern HB.
>>97748035dunno about rules, but melta achilles would fit nicely in a HARROWING FINAL ASSAULT themed army to delete what little is left on the given planet
>>97748249Why? Vehicles don't benefit from LA traits right?
>>97748233it looks nothing like the RHINO FW pintle HB and exactly like the LAND RAIDER FW pintle HB
>>97748253Because it fits the theme you waacfag. I bet you're the kind of person who ran nurgle marked bikers.
>>97748253you must be responding to the wrong guy because I quite literally don't know 3.0 rules, lole
UPLAND TERCIO HOOO!>UPLAND TERCIO HOOO!THRONE OF TERRA!>THRONE OF TERRA!
>>97748233Not the pintle-mount you dumb fuck. This bit that specifically came with the resin land raider proteus, which wasn't even called the explorator initially. Made me dig through the bits box on my day of, you absolute cunt face.
>play one of the relic hunt missions where you have to pass int checks to score>play daemons whose average int is 6>somehow score 11 points in one turn >fear means my opponent basically couldn't score after I an into their objectives>still lose because roided out salamanders can just crater sovereigns and hierarchs in combat
Sure is burger hours once again.
>>97748258Honest question, what theme? I actually thought Alpha had the volkite theme, it being high tech and scarce and all. Source: Lerneans were the Volkite terminators for 2 out of 3 editions. Culverin as a special weapon, remember?The Land Raider Achilles seems to me like a battering ram...but I don't know what to aim it at. What's its target.I think of either giving it volkite and having an antitank squad inside (HSS / Vet Breachers), or giving it melta sponsons and placing an anti-infantry there (Mortalis Moritat with Mortalis Destroyers, all double serpenta)
>>97744810Why is GW allergic to the idea of Talons having any actual variety at all?
>>97748290All terminators could trade their combi-bolters for volkite charger from the very start. It was nothing special, heck if Lernaean didn't have WS 5 in 1.0 there wouldn't have been any reason to pick them over bog standard legion terminators back then.
>>97748262shutte thef fuck up basedliner scumme
>>97748296Cuckstodesfags deserve less. Based GW finally recognises this.
>>97748299Perhaps the word "Culverin" doesn't register with you?
>>97748306If that was the case then they wouldn't get more of their shit ported to plastic.
>>97748307Lernaean couldn't take culverins in 1.0 newfag
>>97748299terminators didn't have pseudo-stubborn in 1e but lernaens just had stubborn
>Custodes box pre-order sold out at all local physical and online storesOh no, what went wrong? Fellow chuds, have we been... owned?
>>97748430unparalleled girlboss triumph
>>97748497did bro change his artstyle...
>>97748513no i'm pretty sure it's just a question of gradient of finishedness from piece to piece
>>97748430The power of a new dreadnought
Finished my Atrapos :D
I just want to be playing titanicus already I don't want to have to keep stressing about what a mess the airports are gonna be or how far I might have to walk to get to the hotel or what might happen at work I just want to be rolling dice already
>>97748752That base really shaped up, well done
>>97748762Simply imhale copius amounts of alcohol and let the Emperor take the wheel
>>97748497>>97748513>pedo artist
>>97747553I love idiots who shit their pants about using CSM miniatures in HH when you have stuff like this.
>>97748818>pedo website
>>97748831No 40k Chaos in HH!No 40k Chaos anywhere!
>>97747553>>97748831>>97748847Visions isn't canon.
>>97748852
>>97744846>they cant have tactical statuses?>[laughs and hits you with the corposant stave]bitch i'm about to give you statuses via Overwatch just to see your tears
>>97748855No one cares about your 20 year old retarded looking images, the black books established what corrupted CSM, even for the word bearers, look like, and they don't even have pointed trim or chaos arrows
>>97748296It being a legit rush job could explain it. Could explain why the weapons themselves are fucked and there’s seemingly no upgrade sets in the pipeline. SoS not getting a lot compared to the Custards would be expected, but nothing?
>>97748858Black Books aren't canon.
>>97747538Re-cast those mk5-ish CSM torsos and mail them to me.
>>97748852RT and 2e-4e lore? Not canon, too oldVisions? Not canon, too inconsistentNovels? Not canon, BLslopBlack Books? Not canon, just made to sell resinslopHH 2.0 and 3.0? Not canon, just made to sell plasticslop
>>97748852So why do they keep updating it? Latest version is from 2018 (between Inferno and Malevolence), and beyond some new art and changes to the text, the art remains mostly the same.
>>97748904
>>97748852remembrancer artwork as provided in the sum visions is far and away among the most truthful semblance of historical record available for the setting given that almost every single line of text in the likes of black books and army tomes and records of campaigns are provided by an obviously censoring and less than impartial imperial source long after the fact, though the likes of colorplates and such are at least presented as the genuine article gleaned from preserved historical data with the sepia graphics strewn throughout capturing models being actual pict-captureswhether one takes the body of black library bolter porn as pure fiction or actually having happened in the context of the setting and provided by an omniscient observer comes down to personal interpretation at best
>>97748290>The Land Raider Achilles seems to me like a battering ram...but I don't know what to aim it atTo the enemy's deployment zone objective. The Achilles is like a light Mastodon.>It'll take it 3-4 turns to get thereFUCK
>>97748430I just want the tank and dreadnought, going to sell the infantry
>illustrations AND published fanfics (BL) all depict the Traitor Legions as having drunk deeply on Chaos juice, with the Death Guard being the least corrupted in body (until the siege, lmao) but all of them manifesting the various trappings of corruption, and daemons not only existing but being known by the Imperium
>>97746577Loli isn't weird because "muh inanimate drawing is being abused" it's weird because it means you're aroused by children.Why do lolifags always pull this strawman out when by this sort of logic scat is entirely vanilla and you can't call out the scatfags because the shit doesn't have rights
>>97748981I don't care about scatfags, so long as I don't have to see or hear about that shit. you're just being annoying bringing up the artist's weird fetishes out of nowhere
>>97749011my dudes are sewer fighters.
>>97749022b-b-b-b-based
>>97749011Spreading an artists' work makes them more notorious, and since 4channers in general rarely do their due diligence or copepost about it when it's brought up, it lets bad actors in. I'd take a hundred leftie attention whores over one le ebin CP poster.
>>97749041m8 i think you need to redirect your boundless enthusiasm into plotting the murders of actual head of state and co. pedosadists instead of twisting your panties up about victimless illustrations
>>97749065>pedo apologist
>>97746673350 dollarydoos
>>97749099Nah, I was talkin bout da tank. Funny thing is, when I woke up yesterday morning when the preorders went into effect, I had gotten a notification from ebay saying I had sold an item. Its was the untouched Vostroyan Firstborn platoon box I had rescued from the deadly nurgle pit of a house that all of my OG warhams/forge world collection has been sitting in while it rots away for the last around 20ish years. It sold for almost $900, fucking couldnt believe it...so I gots me a glaive coming soon.
>>97746292no coomers are always losers.
Why are you guys still making generals? I thought 30k died after 3.0 got released.
>>97744839Imma need troonhammers take on this one
>>97749161>Implying
>>97748852(You)
>>97747188How do you explain Dusk Raiders wearing mkVI armour?
>>97749161Rumors of HH's demise are highly exaggerated.
>>97747188What a fucking slop collection
>>97746958The old plastics have much more bullish frame and would wreck these twink aids troonstodes.
>>97743602I play Mars DarkMech/House Vextrix/Legio Mortis so the answer is obvious.
>>97744810Abolish GW
>>97744822>I don't care about the female models or retcons but this is a disgraceFunny how that is the limit for you, tourist.
>>97746292That's what female Custodes were always about.
>>97749161I can't speak for them, but I'm just here for LI and AT.
>>97748861SoS got so much stuff removed from 2.0, such a disgrace.
>>97749161Bro I'm out here playing 2.5 and 1.0 just chillin' the fucking most. Just have some friends and force them slowly but surely into exactly the shit you want to play.
>>97749198May I ask why LI do not have it's own general?
>>97749249Why would it?
*Paints my Ultramarines with yellow trim and gives my Seargants red helmets* (this is correct post calth, so most of tge hersey)
>>97749270Based.
>>97749199SoS need a proper army release with their own liber and full model range. Their rules in 2.0 were interesting, but I've only ever see that one anon making coversions for them.
>>97749270Didn't Ultras already use gold/yellow trim during the Great Crusade?
>>97749296with 800k brothers in line ? Friend, if someone told me one of their formations was running around with chromatic trims, I would not be shocked or suprised.
>>97749296Yeah, but every does gold and not yellow
>>97749309...anon 250k Ultras, where the fuck are you getting 800k from.
>>97749317*there were 250k Ultras
>>97748861I want to think that Custodes and SoS are being delegated to allies filler in both systems but the former got some pretty fancy toys this refresh so they're definitely going to be around in some form for a time yet. My copium would be that they're getting new upgrades later and having the statlines resold as part of a Journal Tactica or some shit, since having the old stuff be incompatible with new models is a legitimate point, but there's the better of two and a half years yet before another edition, why remove them in the middle now? Just as when character variety was especially anemic in the army, now it's the core infantry choices too. There's more options in goddamn dreadnoughts.And even if there wasn't a shitty split model range policy, padding out Custodes and Knights with more SoS (let alone Lucifier Blacks they'll just make them SA or some shit) and Yeomen respectively seem like a good way to sell way more models and counterbalance them somewhat, but whatever.
>>97749352Having that said I am aware that a yeomen detachment exists for Imperial Houses in 3.0, but I suppose reusing SA/Militia is subjective.
>>97749352Still not convinced HH will get a new edition within 3 years. Necromunda and Old World aren't on the three year cycle either, and those games are handled by the same team. Yes it happened with 2.0 but let's be real here, it wasn't entirely unwarranted. Such a garbage edition, calling it an alpha playtester build would be very generous.
>>97749398>Necromunda and Old World aren't on the three year cycle eitherYet
>>97749317When Gulliman tells you that he plans to have X, then he hast at least three times that. that is how he rolls.
>>97749400If you're always gonna live in fear of what terrible things -might- happen in the future you should just kill yourself right now.
>>97749408And your source for this?
>>97749398yet, and neither two are considered "core" games HH is according to GW, a core GW game.
>>97749398Perhaps, since it has ostensibly hurt Age of Sigmar by trying to follow 40k as well. One anon was saying last thread that 2.0 was implied filler for 3.0, but I wouldn't put it past executive meddling to fuck us over again in spite of any good intentions SDS might have.
>>97749415I'm not fearful of it, I'm resigned to it
>>97749416What do you mean source. The whole 30 years of warhammer history. Is this one of those "French intelligence are psychotic assholes. Source?" or "sun is bright and water is wet", thing?
>>97749428Anon you retard, if you're going to claim the Ultras have 800k marines, you need to fucking back that shit up.You can't just go 'that's how Guilliman works' because no, we've explicitly seen that they have 250k
>>97749418The Old World is also one of GW's core games, what the fuck are you on about
>>97749270>gives my Seargants red helmets* (this is correct post calth, so most of tge hersey)Nope. The UM didn't paint red sergeant helmets until after the HH.What happened in Know No Fear was improvised markings for squad leaders during the orbital part of the battle of Calth. But it did not spread to the legion as a rule. Santioned UM were still wearing crude red paint over their helmets while sergeants usually had a plain white/blue strip.Months later, Aeonid Thiel was recruiting among those santioned UM, formed the so-called Red Marked kill teams, and went on to fight infiltrators during the Shadow Crusade.
>>97749398>Old World aren't on the three year cycle eitherThat's just because Old World is not three years old yet. That said, considering there are now 4 mainline games there is a chance that GW will shift to a 4 years edition cycle
>>97749398It's not a mystery. HH 3.0 happened so fast because 2.0 sold really really well beyond GW's initial expectations (remember the resin despoiler melee weapons kit?)So they just wanted to capitalize in the new HH success after years of slow releases and moved it to a mainstream game.
Been adding chains and mirror coins to my SoH this morning. What have you lads been hobbying this fine weekend?
>>97749445>That said, considering there are now 4 mainline games there is a chance that GW will shift to a 4 years edition cycleThe big hope is that GW will instead shift to a 3 years cycle where TOW and HH alternate their releases, so that it's >New 40k edition>New AoS edition>New HH edition>New 40k edition>New AoS edition>New TOW edition
>>97749433If Gulliman is writen to say anything, write or declare anything you will know that he lies. Every chapter 1000 men? well ultramarines have "honor companies" and a whole pocket chapter, just dedicated for ultramarine replanishment. Every chapter allowed to have 1 (one) planet, marines have a whole sector (and if you count the pocket chapter more). All marines were to be treated equal when rebuild, somehow ultramarines are the ones to reconstruct marine forces. Even when the Dark Angel gene seed is superior in every way. There are 250k ultramarines, but other primarchs pointed out, that the lost legion marines didn't vanish, but somehow were put put among ultramarines ranks. Gulliman was awefuly ready to create the "Imperium Secundus" and the disgust of the idea from the Lion tells us a lot about what Gulliman does. Codex sm in w40k is a sm codex, but somehow only ultramarines get promoted and buffed up in to stratosphere by bucket loads of special character units. DA still don't have a new Ezzekiel model, but ultras have THREE Calgars and are ment to get a second Gulliman. I spit on ultramarines, their players their lore. If it wasn't a fantasy setting I would say all of them are french .
>>97749436They don't even have a separate panel at the next adepticon. HH gets one, even if all what they show is models we already knew they exist.
>>97749488>There are 250k ultramarines, but other primarchs pointed out, that the lost legion marines didn't vanish, but somehow were put put among ultramarines ranks.And that's why there are so many Ultras, retard.The meta case of GW giving the Ultras all the fun toys because they're the pet faction doesn't mean there's canonically 3 times as many of them as is the lore says they are. Are you legitimately retarded?
>>97749488>There are 250k ultramarines, but other primarchs pointed out, that the lost legion marines didn't vanish, but somehow were put put among ultramarines ranks.Literal in world propaganda spread by the word bearersCongrats on failing the media literacy check
>>97749467Started painting a veteran tactical squad with disintegrator rifles>B-but those weapons suck!Don't care, they're cool as fuck.
>>97749491if an ultra says they are 250k of them, they lie. Because they always lie. Lies and offending other marines is in their nature. Now I am not sure about whe anons DA fetish, but clearly we all can agree that, if it wasn't for GW writer favoritism WB should have destroyed ultramarines easily.
>>97749490That is the most retarded metric to decide what makes a mainline game.
>>97749499Retard the Ultras didn't "say" they had 250k, the black books said it from an out of universe perspective
>>97749494I would trust Lorgar the traitor, over the words of any ultramarine. Now F traitors, but regarding ultramarines and Gulliman they are right, like a broken clock. One truth they were right about was ultramarines being assholes and always wrong, and the second that marines should not be lorded over by humans.
>>97749497>Don't care, they're cool as fuck.
>>97749499UM recruit from 500 worlds, most other legions don't even have a dozen to pull from>>97749509It wasn't Lorgar you tard it was his retarded underlings
>>97749504the writers are biased and write the lore in favour of ultramarines.
>>97749490Meanwhile if you open their website this is what it shows you.
>>97749513>the writers are biased and write the lore in favour of ultramarines.That still doesn't mean they have 800k members you fucking mongoloid
>>97749512all words that come from the mouth of a WB are the words of Lorgar, and words of Lorgar are the words of Truth.
>>97749467nearly finished cleaning up a torture-test-that-managed-to-succeed proonted mars predator, assembly started besides, there's a bunch of stuff warranting magnetization with how i want to put it together so that's nextgonna cut my teeth in painting a tank with it to have a decent basis for working with some actual gw vehicle kits that cost more than ~5usd at most lmao
>>97749517I am Bulgarian not mongol. >>97749518woh there anon. I said he was right twice not that he was right everytime.
>>97749526>I am BulgarianThat explains so much
>>97749422>2.0 was implied filler for 3.0no they actually said something like "some of you may have noticed it wasn't a complete edition" around the launch of HH3
>>97749467Realised I didn't attach my photo>>97749497Nah, Disintegrators are cool>>97749521I'm wary of 3d printed vehicles. Has it come out alright? Pics?
>>97749494The lost legions marines were sent to the UM and the IF, it's not just WB gossipsource: The Chamber at the End of Memory
>>97749603depends on the quality of the persons doing the prints. Some are better (the land raiders) and some are VERY cheap(all 4 vindicators, the predators, the rhinos).
>>97749161I'm playing 1.0 and the epicAU 30k lists for epic armageddon.
Is there anything precluding you from putting a character into a despoiler squad that’s going to use interdiction cadre?
>>97749649Sadly yes, it requires everyone in the unit to have the special rule
>>97749649Yes. All models in the unit must have the Interdiction Cadre special rule if you wanna use the reaction. And only tacticals or despoilers can get that special rule with the prime slot upgrade.
>>97749603for what it is, i'm pretty damn pleased. rougher spots are gonna get sublimated beneath profuse battle damage still to be imbued or so i reckonglue's still messy as shit and needs scalpeling away once dry but i've gone for a bit of a potentially unmanned/automata-tank angle or so i hope will be conveyed with the greebly thingamabobbers i slapped on top of the right side driver viewing slitkinda love it to bits. just how stacked it is w/ the havoc and smoke launcher up top. what a beast.
>femstodes completely sold out everywhere in a dayTotal paypig victory
>>97748856I thought reactions cant ever inflict statuses?
>>9774971690% of those sales are 40k players lets be real hereand 40k players are notorious for being paypigs and are only getting it for the tanks etcso I hooe to god GW removes them in 11th, I want to see the salt
>>97749708Not bad at all anon. Normally you see fuckers posting about their 3dp tanks and they're normally riddled with print lines and simultaneously looking really blocky and thin at the same time.
>>97749718Correct, and neither can volley fire.
>>97749716Adding to >>97749726, it's been six months that every new release is getting a minimum amount of boxes. My LGS which is pretty big only got allocated 5 boxes initially, and then got 3 more when some other stores didn't confirm their allocation. And consider that 5 of a new box is actually a huge amount in this periods, some KT boxes or the Nightbringer had like 2 boxes. Which makes sense, I bet that a good 75% of GW production is currently going into 11th starter boxes.
>>97749791...minds drawing a blank...whats volley fire again?
>>97749815Genius really, make a tiny amount that's sure to sell out then brag about how massive of a success it was.
>>97749815plis its a 30k release, they're gonna make less boxes than a 40k release
>>97749929After the set up move or lack there off, you can choose not to first the charging unit, then the charged unit, may shoot weapons with the Assault trait firing snap shots.Units can also volley fire when they pick Gun Them Down after a unit flees from combat.
>>97749991oh right the shoot before a charge
>>97749716So many bugmen
>>97749441Doesn't red marked mean a failing grade/test in school?
>>97749293That anon is the GOAT. I don't think it will happen, GW decided to redo custodes and rape lore instead.
SoS had no niche. They were puny T3 in the T5 strongman army, their shooting was inferior, their melee was inferior, their abilities were barely relevant except against one legion and their vehicle was an overly expensive resin hunk that nobody bought and their entire army was based around one infantry kit of five chicks and a resin character.But it's still bad that they've effectively been removed and there isn't any reason for the loss except bog standard greed.
>>97750529Butthurt psyker detected.
>>97750529You do realize one can fix rules, right? You can make them a force multiplier with their abilities having an effect on non-psykers as well (which blanks do have) and give them weapons and abilities to boost their functionality. If GK are able to work against non-daemon opponents, so should SoS work against non-psykers. I think GW is just scared they'll make something far too OP for people to soup them with, so they keep them as a (bland) flavour faction, rather than something to actually use.
>>97750529They had a army-wide LD debuff aura and had some cool weapons and units in both editions. Every army in the game has LD.
>>97749726>HH flooded by 40k queersTruly, this it is an Age of Darkness
>>97750612GW doesn't fix rules they just make things different.
>>97749815This, GW is running extreamly lean in order to create false scarcity. IMO they are 100% banking off of the FOMO sensation and almost are encouraging scalpers to buy more so that they can keep an artificial demand for it high. GW basically does not want to happen to them what happened back in the 2010's When they had massive amount of stock they could not shift, hence why during that time, GW pushed a lot of wild and weird side games for everything.
>>97750612>You do realize one can fix rules, right?NTA.The problem with home brew is trying to convince others to play it. Thats why 40k is so pupular is a universal agreed upon rule set. Its hard to get pick up games with people who dont know every house rule.
>>97750659Not without reason. 99.99% of homebrew is cringe and broken bullshit.
>>97750669It depends on what said homebrew is trying to do. There are pretty good house rules that are blatently obviously good and balanced and the only people who want to abuse said rule ree against it. Example in 2.0 1 dread per 1000 point was a fine rule.
>>97750638oh no, they're not buying it to play HH, they're buying it for 40k because the tanks and dreadnoughts are finally plasticwhich again, I hope GW remove in 11th as a massive middle finger to them, which GW has kinda indictated thats what they're gonna do
>>977505292nd edition fixed this by giving them bonuses against everyone (e.g they kinda had fear), with extra bonuses against psykers, daemons and corrupted so not just thousand sonsthey also had a wide variety of units to make them an actual army, may not have been the best army (struggles vs armour) but it still workedthey're the SoB of 30k
>>97750669Thats a bit simplistic, but basically yes. Take 10 different players and you get 12 different opinions on what the issues with the core rules are (often based on real, commonly accepted and valid issues with the rules). So when one of them makes a deviation from the core rules (homebrew) he may "break" things that someone else finds worked or liked, or not go far enough, or introduce new issues in some way. The greatest advantage of "just use the rules" is the perceived impartiality. There is no sense of "I am playing against the rules as made by steve, and it just so happens that steves army takes advantage of the changed rules in a way mine doesent...". Even if steve isnt actually being biased, or wrote perfectly good rules, it can create a later of friction because steve does not have the "authority" of an impartial and impersonal major publisher. Hes some dude you know.
>>97750690>40kids buying plastic HH era custodes dreadnoughts and vehicles en masse>Right before GW bans those from 40kOh no, the poor 40kfags
>>97750709honestly why I think the custodes have come out now, get all the money first then rip it away using the defense of "we're a models company, not a rules company"people should be really skeptical of this nox because of it, but the 40k paypig is blind and just wants to consoomAT MINIMUM legendsif they don't, I think every guard and marine player should bitch at why they dont get their 30k stuff
>>97750716What's guard missing that's used by SA and militia?
>>97750659I said nothing about you yourself doing it. Just that GW could, if they wanted to, make SoS a viable option even just as an allied detachment, rather than as a complete army on their own.
>>97750726not much, just stuff like the malcador, some russ options (bare minimum), arvus lighter etc
>>97750726>>97750733Also massed special weapons squads, melee veterans, Charonites, Rapiers, the new sentinels, Medusas
>>97750733which are legends in 40k, if the plastic HH custodes stuff arent legends in 11th, marine and guard players have a right to complain
>>97750726>termites>rhinos/auroxes>land raiders>volkites>dracosan>void armour as standard
>>97750704To use a more concrete example:Deep strike.Many people im sure have some opinion on 3es deep strike (I know I do, I think its a bit too limited), but how do you fix it? Youre going to get a lot of different answers on that.Theres those who think the issue is a lack of charging - "just let them make disordered charges" for example. Or that you should be able to more easily mass DS, or that the issue is something else entirely. And whatever change you add to address any factor runs the risk elsewhere. Add multiple DS and you make drop shooting lists potentially overbearing. Mass melta/template assaults just assassinating targets on a mass scale thanks to precise positioning. So you add scatter back, but now some units become useless when used in that capacity since their use WAS in that sort of assassination style. Meanwhile you added charges back in, and now some units are incredibly overbearing because they get around all their usual weaknesses (saturnine command squad) and so on..No matter the change you make, its likely to be imperfect and make someone unhappy in some way, because they made their list for a game that has now been changed significantly and maybe not in a way they wanted. I recently played an event where they could charge from DS, and let me tell you its not balanced. Its FUN (or it was for me, because I had a unit that could use it), but in a situation where you make your list knowing the rules its super easy to abuse (or even just "leverage"). I asked the rules organizer why that change was made, and his response was that "units should be able to charge from deep strike", because thats his vision of the game (one I dont know if I share), so he introduced the change. The event was great, and the deep strike was a fun change for shaking up what I could do with my army. But I do not think its a change that some people would be entirely happy with if it was just "a local convention" that people played with.
>>97750739You don't understand. 40k Legends units aren't tournament legal, and that is all 40kfags care about.For example, when leviathan dreadnoughts were moved to Legends at the start of 10th, the second hand market got flooded with cheap second hand leviathans.
>>97750736>>97750733>no malcados, rapiers, medusas, massed special weapons for guardDamn. Those are dumb even for GW.
>>97750754this is true, I remember the mass complaining when they announced it for 10thbut GW aren't even legends'ing models half the time now, just straight up deleting them with no warning (e.g gravis calgar)
>>97750770So GW is finally done pretending
>>97750726Volkite, charonites, breaching axes, dracosans, aethons, rapiers...
>>97750777I wouldn't be surprised if the HH marine units get deleted in 11th
>>97750783Actually separating the ranges so we have to deal with 40k players even less would be a huge blessing to be frank.
>>97750751Honestly I think Deep Strike being so limited in 3.0 is because the HH team doesn't really know what to do with it. Even with all the limitations, DS is still an extremely strong tool right now. Flying transports kind of show what massed deep strike and charging in the same turn being allowed would look like. Even militia in arvus lighters can do ridiculous things. The only thing keeping it in check is the lack of plastic kits for the legion's flying transport models.
>>97743614Somebody doesn't know their armour history.
>>97750799GW's continuous destruction of 40k does lead to an increasing amount of 40k refugees though. Shortly after each new 40k edition the local HH group gains more players.
>>97750818The less things they can use between ranges the less incentive they have to come here. It's not like they only come to 30k either, a lot went to battletech, trench crusade or even older editons of 40k and other smaller games. All of which are cheaper to get into.
>>97750805I entirely agree with you anon. Deep strike is just a "fundamentally powerful" thing because it is in some way "infinite mobility". Its just more relevant for shooting units currently. If I had a gun to my head and was told "find a way to make DS charging work" I would go with the interdiction cadre method. You cant DS within 5" of an enemy model and make disordered charges from deep strike (or something).
>>97750832The incentive is not bringing over models they can use anon. The incentive is a superior wargame and hobby experience.
My hot take is that (outside of some stuff for CSM) there SHOULDNT be cross compatability between most 30k stuff and 40k (custodes being an exeption)30k is the imperium at its peak, casually mass producing the things that would end up as irreplaceable one of a kind relic in the 41st millenium. Guard SHOULDNT be using SA stuff because the SA were using things that guard could never in a million years afford. Marines shouldnt be using 30k stuff because they too are degraded shadows of their former might as legions. The horus heresy is the overpowered endgame builds duking it out to mutual annihilation while 40k is rag-tag poverty builds scraping by on slivers of what came before. The exceptions are custodes (who are so numerically irrelevant and niche that theyre going to be the same in both cases, insulated as they are from the imperium at large) and CSM (where "theyre the veterans of the old war using that ancient technology" is essentially the faction premise).
>>97750876guard can afford the baneblade and invent the rogal dorn out of nowhere though
>>97750751>So you add scatter back, but now some units become useless when used in that capacity since their use WAS in that sort of assassination style.Lile which? Certainly not Thallax, seeing how mobile they are>Meanwhile you added charges back in, and now some units are incredibly overbearing because they get around all their usual weaknesses (saturnine command squad) and so on..Which is why said people add scatter in the first place>I recently played an event where they could charge from DS, and let me tell you its not balanced...did you scatter?
>>9775085340k is the bottom of the barrel so they can get that from most games. The reason they choose 30k over the others is that they already have the models for some things like vehicles and it exists within 40k's canonicity even if the more we have gone on the more muddied that's becoming. Especially when you take the retarded "it's a HH thing" asspulls 40k tends to have.
>>97750879The baneblade is a 3rd line piece of crap though. The actually good superheavies are what the space marines had (fellblades and falchions and junk) and those SHOULDNT be a regular thing in 40k, because theyre the superweapons of ages past.No idea about the rogal dorn, but its either some cobbled together piece of crap or an abortion like the primaris (everything about them was a mistake). >>97750883>Lile which?Interemptors (them in a drop pod is quite good), contekar, melta assassination teams for hitting rear armor. Thallax would remain good, but many units would suffer.>...did you scatter?Nope. I dropped in 1" away every time and made it automatically. It was a guaranteed kill turn 2 in every game I used it.
>>97750876>30k is the imperium at its peak, casually mass producing the things that would end up as irreplaceable one of a kind relic in the 41st milleniumLike teleporters? :^^^)
>>97750690>which GW has kinda indictated thats what they're gonna doI'm curious, how?
>>97750897when they announced that the 30k custodes stuff was playable in 40k, they never really specified "in the future", and mentioned that custodes are getting a rules update later this year (i.e 11th) but never said that these custodes units will be part of iti'l grab some screenshots in a bit
>>97750892Interemptors, Melta Squads and effectively every marine "suicide drop" unit would still be viable when using Drop Pods. They used to have a "terminal guidance" rule that helped with scattering right?Same for terminators. Either risk it, or pay 100 pts for the safety of a Dreadclaw>dropped in 1" away every timeOof. See scatter really is that important.
>>97750933>scatter really is that important.With two HIT faces, that's 2/3 chance of scattering
>>97750879There are entire imperial army cohorts equipped with nothing but superheavies meanwhile the 100 baneblades in DoW have always been considered one of the most ridiculous pieces of fluff. The power levels of guard and army aren't even close. In 30k even militia forces have superheavies.
>>97750879>and invent the rogal dorn out of nowhereThe Rogal tank was always there. It's right around that corner bro ah you just missed it!Same as all those Saturnine termies that somehow were in the Istvaan V trailer yet were never mentioned across like 30 novels LMAO
>>97750933>drop podsStill scatter, the rule just meant they wouldnt die. And it means that close range weapons no longer really function from DS. >Same for terminators. Either risk it, or pay 100 pts for the safety of a DreadclawSo in other words "those units would not function, and the advantage theyre supposed to use is gone". Contekar (for example) are built around their deep strike, its the only way the unit functions (it didnt in 2nd). As a melee unit theyre subpar, but they can hit a soft target and have decent but extremely short range firepower to exploit their ability to come from reserves with. They teleport next to a unit and bathe it in heavy flamers to try and rout it or score surprise vanguard. Thats the gimmick.
>>97750959Or the Leviathan, or the Sicaran, or the Stormbird, or the Sabre, or the Deredeo, or the entire Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum range, or-
>>97750919The problem with this is that Custodes were always an army that needed the FW stuff because otherwise they have 4 units, 3 of which do the same thing. Which is the reason they avoided the squatting of FW stuff that Marines and everyone else got instead. The only situations in which I can see 40k Custodes losing the FW custodes stuff is if they are going to completely squat custodes (very improbable because the woke crowd would eat them alive) or if they are going to release another Custodes model wave for 40k with vehicles and similar.
>>97750975Nta but most of what you posted were based off the old RT things, I guess the saturnine termies kinda qualifiy because while it didn't exist as its own thing it was an old terminator model...at the normal terminator size with normal termie weapons. The rogal dorn tank was pulled straight out of GW's ass to avoid making a plastic macharius and treated as if it was everywhere.
>>97750960>Still scatter, the rule just meant they wouldnt dieNope. Scatter divided by half, then move it as convenient to avoid terrain. The 1/3 occasion where it (the initial pod) did scatter. Sounds hella viable to me>Contekar (for example) are built around their deep strike, its the only way the unit functions (it didnt in 2nd)I think I'm misreading you; they did teleport in 2E and had flamers still. But if you feel 1/3 chance of scattering is too risky, by all means have the unit carry some Cavitors? 10" are quite viable at deepstrike range. A couple Heavy flamers still do the same Panic test 5 of them cause.Or you know, use a Dreadclaw.
>>97751001>The rogal dorn tank was pulled straight out of GW's ass to avoid making a plastic machariusThis. Why is it illegal to have plastic Macharius? Or give them a Malcador idk?What if all of FW was plastic. Like, is that not viable? Make plastic molds, keep them there and pump out as many plastic whatevers as people order online?No, gotta be warehouse only??
Hello guys. Do you guys know any novels besides Legion that feature Lucifer Blacks?
>>97750876Um Cawl made everything better actually and 40k marines are superior in every way
>>97751069>Blood Games short story>The Emperor Expects>Echoes of the Long War>The Beheading>Watchers of the Throne: The Emperor's LegionSome of these are set after the heresy, mind you.
>>97751042>I think I'm misreading you; they did teleport in 2E and had flamers stillYes, they just didnt work. >Or you know, use a Dreadclaw.Why not just take literally any other terminators then? "you want to use their inbuilt usp? just buy a 2nd unit that lets anyone do it because they cant do it themselves">10" rangethe average scatter on 2d6 is 7.
>>97751056GW has always had a complicated relationship with FW. It's probably the same reason why the malcador got plastified so recently despite the resin one being a beloved model that came out 20-something years ago. FW has close to no influence now that they became the SGS.
>>97751095And by "didnt work" I mean contekar were bad and did not have a real viable function in the game. Just like destroyers.
>>97750727Oh they could, but GW is to fucking stupid to do so.They are the only company i know who has had 30 years in the industry and still makes the same fucking rookie mistakes over and over. I still cant fully dismiss the conspiracy that 3.0 was partly written using AI.
>>97750751>but how do you fix it?Easy fix. Go back to 7th ed deep strike rules.You roll per model, and any model arriving outta deep strike cant charge. You have "Detatchments" now, that will let you bring anything on in that detatchment from a single roll, IE a deep strike assault, and you can only have 1 deep strike assault group per list. Then make it so the warmonger allows any unit specifically he is attatched to, to be able to assault from deep strike. The main issue with Deepstirke currently, and i have been saying this and been proven right every single time ever since 8th ed, being able to charge out of deep strike is ASININLY strong, and the fact that anyone can do it is fucking nuts. 3.0 went heavy handed on it.
The saturnine command squad has lived through their first game, seen here ganging up on a pair of unfortunate hss marines. They're an absolute brick of a unit.
>>97751139>You roll per modelsorry per unit not per model.
>>97751148>A unit half its cost gets bullied by a unit double its costI mean it works haha.
>>97751139I will also say, i think there needs to be a distiction between different types of deep strike. There needs to be different rules for a decent deep strike, IE something flying in, or dropping in via jump pack, or land speeder or jet bike.Then there also needs to be a teleport deep strike both having different rules.
>>97751056And to answer your question it is viable but viable isn't enough for GW. Releases need to be spaced out to avoid buyers going over their budgets, releasing everything all at once means each new thing is competing with a piece of that budget and after it runs out and gets refilled you need to have a new shiny thing to entice them. With that in mind it's a race to who gets the firsts spots and who doesn't even get a spot because GW's not going to leave a spot to something very few buyers are going to get like knights heads over something like a malcador so those things might even get memory-holed. Made to order things are a bit of a pain in the ass for everyone involved because it means that we're talking about knight heads level of popularity things but GW still wants a big profit so they gotta break even by making up for the space the molds have taken up in the warehouse multiplied by the time they stood still, maintenance and low sell sales so they pump up numbers to biblical levels of greed.
>>97751159They were the closest victims, you don't exactly have much choice after the saturnines did their deep strike with how slow they are. Wasn't the only unit they destroyed though.
>>97751131If it wasn't for AI, there would be no intelligence behind the edition.
>>97750690>>97750709God, that would be so good.
>>97751187I hate how accurate you are. >>97751184Thats a fair point, Saturnine just make me so fucking sad, like "here is a gun platform terminators"OH FUCKING SWEET!"All their guns suck"Oh fuck...As a dangels player, im just hoping we get the dreadwing version of them, power fist and a Phosphex discharger.
>>97751187That's so epic!
>>97747860Thunder Warriors, insofar as I'm aware, didn't have the Aquila markings and didn't have boltguns in general
>>97751192Nah those particle shredders are nasty, only got 2 in the unit but they'll wipe out most MEQ easily. The plasma blasters were also surprisingly solid, strength 8 overload even makes them capable of damaging medium or light vehicles in a pinch. Need a break before painting more saturnines though, so won't be able to test regular saturnine terminators and how their guns perform.
>>97751225Oh yeah the partical shredder is great but, there is only 1 problem, its short range and they waddle like little bitches
>>97751198They used them post-terrawatt alliance, mostly ditching their heavy lasrifles but I think this is a bit moot because from what he posted it seems it is for a 40k army.
>>97751198>Thunder Warriors didn't have boltgunsThis has to be bait. No one can possibly be this ignorant.
>>97750412They were gonna send his ass to life in prison or execution for even suggesting marine vs marine what if situations
>>97751198don't think that's true, but not really relevant, since he said it was a marine in mk1 armor rather than a thunder warrior anyway.
>>97751231That's why you deep strike them. And once they're standing on/around the objective most close to the opponent's deployment, they're a problem that can't be ignored.
White Scars have the best markings and armor lore
>>97751292I love how white scars are solidly >They just used MK 2 until they got 6
>>97751308I mean >mk3 doesn't suit them >denied mk4 >mk5 is overheating dogshit It's not a huge leap of logic to make, might as well hold on to old reliable until a decent upgrade becomes available
>>97751292Posted this before but I made a recon squad with the Star Hunter colors I think it fits more in VI
>>977510952d6? Nah use a single dice bro. You're liable to being intercepted, on top of scatter and whatever other mishaps. Scatter a single dice.
>>97751122>I mean contekar were bad and did not have a real viable function in the game. Just like destroyers.Terminators wielding a bunch of flamers is cool. I saw that with 2.0 Grave Warden (Deathcloud used to be a flame template) and they were really cool, even with WS4.Even held back by their chainblades, "lots of flamers" was a viable thing by itself. And now it got better....I wish Grave Wardens had kept Deathcloud flamers :(
>>97751397Ebon keshig are actual winners of 3.0 they are utter rape
>>97751139I think that "fix" looks good. But its obviously not going to please everyone because some people like the idea of charging from deep strike. Which is my point, theres a lot of different visions of how the game should work.
>>97751139>proven right every single time ever since 8th edI played early 8E with Black Templars; their reroll made charging out of deepstrike kind of a 50-50.So i'd just deepstrike 2-3 units and at least one of the units was sure to make it. Probabilities don't "sum", but adding them does converge towards 1.Indeed charging out of deepstrike is strong. But I wouldn't have been guaranteed a deepstrike charge had my units scattered.Scatter IS the solution, and a better one than simply declaring an arbitrary keepaway range
>>97751292>all those swastikas with extra stepsuh oh
>>97751445Can't have people thinking you're Orky.
>>97751292Am I the only one who thinks the destroyer squad icon looks like a skull wearing a santa hat?
>>97751482WS destroyer with rad missiles be like
>>97751482>>97751445White Scars have a lot of Buddhist teachings in their lore especially as modern Mongolia even combines it with shamanism. Warhammer is all of the above combined with the emperor. The path of heaven is a very interesting book that touches upon it. It’s very simple to obtain the path of heaven you must never tempt the heavens you must never take more than you need. They knew about the horrors of the warp long before it came to light.Their destroyers are I believe the only destroyers to actually be commanded by the librarians or storm seers where they apparently have the authority to erase someone’s very soul
>>97751328Did they even have 6 before 2.0 retconned everyone into using it?I thought in old fluff they stuck it out with mk2 and what they could scavenge until they got to the siege and finally got some mk7
>>97751439>their reroll made charging out of deepstrike kind of a 50-50That's only because 40k has this weird arbitrary restriction of not being allowed to deep strike within 9" of enemy units.
>>97751520Older art actually has them in 6 a bit
I can't believe there's an entire legion of Weapon Skills? Don't get me started on the TS legion
>>97751523Yep. I don't think I would've able to simply send multiple units charging if they had scattered random distances in random directions, even without the 9" buffer zone
>>97751445I mean…a lot of the heresy lore has Buddhist shit mixed in
>>97747553think these sets are from around 2007-2009, how different is that era's CSM scale from HH?
>>97751515Damn you really like white scars like a lot?
>>97751237They used proto-bolter and energy weapons, it's hardly bait to say "they didn't use actual boltguns"
>>97749613On the one hand I'm fucking disgusted to see painted vehicles stored like that. On the other hand I have to respect the Mantis Clan tin. I miss that game.
>>97751545New HH are a little taller and have changes to their scale (heads, arms and hands are smaller, backpacks are a little larger). Old MkIV are in the same scale with regular 40k firstborm and old CSM. If you want to stick to similar scale, the CSM can be combined with current MkIV and 40k SM stuff. If you don't care, you can mix them with whatever.
Theyre thinking about making the deep strike charges a club rule. Good thing I have contekar and night raptors I guess.
>>97751435>some people like the idea of charging from deep strike.Some people need to fucking realize how asininly strong that is, and why the game did not have easy access to it for 7 editions.If they want to they can take a warmonger to do it, i think paying for an HQ to allow a single unit he is attatched to, to charge is a fair cost.
>>97751681I am not disagreeing with you anon. I think charging from deep strike is a "fundamentally broken" ability that either has to be "balanced" to not work or ends up being massively OP. But I am not talking about how things should be, but rather the various different standards people have and expectations from the game (as a reason for why "homebrew rules" face adoption issues).
>>97751523>>97751538If anything you should have to have a 6" distance. 9 was to much, but 6 would be fine espically if you are not charging outta it, and if you pay for a warmonger to allow a single unit to charge that would be fair.Of course with a scatter included. >>97751690Oh yeah its my issue with a lot of home brew rule is people want to write them to make their shit "balanced" but refuse to accept that what they think is balanced is not.I play dark angels, I fucking love the wing system, i fully accept it was broken in 2.0, the solution was not to gut it from teh game, the solution should have been that wings became prime options or a point cost to a unit that would change depending on the unit type, IE Heavy assault and Elites would need to pay more for wing buffs compared to tacs.
>>97751702If there was infinite space in the book, I could see wings being like the mechanicum apex detachments.
>>97751709They could have just been prime bonuses. What irks me, is they gutted wings, but they they basically kept, and buffed the tsons cult arcana powers which were basically the same concept. That is my biggest gripe about both 2.0 and 3.0 from a rule writing persepcteive the rules for legions traitor and loyalist were very siloed, with not a lot of cross communication going on, and you can see it badly in 2.0 and 3.0 were some factiosn will have asinine rules for no good reason while others are gimped. I look at IF for example in 2.0. Randomly getting a +1 to hit with all bolt AND auto weapons is fucking insane, and makes no sense, a +1 to hit with all bolt weapons alone would have been a fine bonus.
>>97751724>They could have just been prime bonuses.The issue is that (unless youre ironically DA) most legions lack most prime slots. You have the prime command and troops in the crusade detachment, and then one in your apex detachment. So yes, you could do it as prime benefits, but I think it would have to be done as an admech style apex detachment, where you get a lot of prime slots and those prime slots give a special unique prime benefit exclusive to that apex detachment.So there would be a deathwing apex, it would contain say two retinue and two elite slots (all prime), and give a special "deathwing exemplars" prime benefit that gives +1 to hit with "sword of the order" weapons.Or an ironwing one that would do something similar for vehicles, maybe let them return fire decurion locus style. That sort of thing.
>>97751744The cults system like TS could work, but (and TS did not avoid it) it would require careful rules to not be kinda OP.
>>97751762It's almost as if "your legion rule is you have 6 legion rules" is a fucking terrible idea in every instance and the kind of shit made by fanboys who want their guys to be the bestest
>>97751584got it, thanks. would love to get some use out of the troops while i am at it. i wasnt planning on going with word bearers, but the thought of making a chaos-esque siege of terra army is tempting.
>>97751803I wont lie, it is definetly "problematic design". Its hard to come up with six rules that are both impactful enough that you care about them, but are also weaker than legion traits to a meaningful enough degree that the added flexibility/utility doesent make it overpowered. And also that dont break anything in any edge case (corvidae, which would be a balanced enough rule if not for literally any breaching weapons existing).
>>97751823Another issue with the TS legion trait is that because psychic powers got truncated (because theyre so irrelevant in other cases) their trait requires essentially inventing a tier that could/should exist but doesent. If this were warhammer fantasy you could just say "any unit can be upgraded to be a level 1 wizard for +40pts" and call it a day (more or less). But because psychic powers are so "all or nothing" in HH that tier doesent exist, so you need to come up with new - slightly worse - psychic disciplines for just them, and thats just not great design.
>>97751810Played with spare CSM and HH bits some time ago.
>>97751870do they pick one another up and throw each other like spears at the enemy?cute marines that said, wut leejun?
>>97751198>Thunder Warriors, insofar as I'm aware, didn't have the Aquila markings and didn't have boltguns in generalYes, because thats not a thunder warrior, its a rainbow warrior in mk1>Heres one I tacked together for a rainbow warrior based on thier 9th company lore.The tortuga models come with thier weird weapons
>>97751870nice
>Thunder Warriors>Namedso because of the thundering sound of boltgun fire>"No they wielded lasrifles"What retarded retcon bullshittery happened here?
>>97751945Anon the Thunder Warriors were all female now
>>97751945>mfw the Lightning Legion>Thunder comes AFTER lightningIt all fits now
>>97751953That would explain the terminal mental instability
>>97751913Was inspired by pic related. MkIV with MkVI style greaves and MkIII helmets.
>>97751966Kek
>>97751977What legion are the dudes you kitbashed?
>>97744581>Make peice of equipment that can only be taken by 2 super-heavy tanks>Have to specify it's rules only work if it's on a super heavy-tankDo they get paid by the word?
>>97751945Emps lacked the facilities to equip all of them with bolters at the start of the unification wars.
>>97751984Is secret.
>>97751198(You)
>Looking at the new shield captain spruesThose two bits, those are tow halves on the head, thays hair, why are they doing this?
>>97752126too complex to be a single piece for injection molding
>>97752126I saw someone present a theory that stuck with me. It's like artificial complexity. You know how video game companies make massive open world games with tons of pointless stuff to do, so they can talk about how big and detailed their games are? Well, some are wondering if the same is true with GW models. Make them rife with details so it takes hours to assemble just so they can sell a kit with 3 models instead of one with 30 models in a couple of pieces.>>97752140>GW has forgotten how to mould single piece heads with hair
>>97752191>>GW has forgotten how to mould single piece heads with hairIt's not a GW thing, That kind of hair can't be done in plastic, at least not without a 3 part mould. Why do you think all their women are bald or have a top knot or bowl cut?
>>97752204Because they make my dick hard.
>>97752215You have only been conditioned by GW to think so and don't call them out on their laziness
The more I read the Custodes rules the more I realise they are just going to get shot to bits before they can do anything
>>97752226We can agree to disagree.
>>97752237YJK
>>97752230Your entirely army is 2+ with eternal warrior and faster than any other infantry (m8 I5),
have there been any leaks of the new custodes rules
>>97752230it's fucking criminal that sagis got squatted
>>97752204>It's not a GW thingIt's totally a GW thing. They chose to do it like that instead of changing the design on the head. They're not working with the medium, they're forcing the medium to work with their design.
>>97751803>>97751823If it were me, I'd have them be versed in the ur weaponry of the Adeptus Astartes: +1 to hit with bolter, bolt pistol and chainsword.
>>97752308Ik, sae with the other spears, they made the weapons seperate sprues, they could have just made them as upgrades.
>>97751977>Auto reactive shoulderWhat does that mean? Do they move?
>>97752364For thousand sons? Why?
>>97752140Do you actually believe this as you say it?
>>97752364>if it were me I'd give them a worse version of the IF legion trait
>>97752371No, for DA. Sorry, I thought I was responding to that x.x>>97752385Oh, the IF trait affects Assault marine melee attacks? Hmm idk if maybe it should affect all sword weapons
The DA trait should simply be "ignore negative modifiers in close combat"
>>97752459They should have the Custodes trait of routed becoming pinned and the Custodes get fearless
>>97752308Everyday, my opinion that 3.0 is dogshit is even more validated.
>>97752370Yes. The pauldrons automatically move out of the way whenever a Marine would do a movement impeded by them.
>>97752308please understand they had to put all the design and manufacturing resources into making custodes women
>>97752379yes. With 2 part molds at leastAnd GW ain't bothering with anything more complex than that
>>97752550Really? That's cool.
>>97752370chobham armour
>>97752265they have a "murder your praetor before he swings" gambit that /hhg/ can't understand the relevance of
>>97752370They react. Automatically. Don't remember if the fluff has gone into very much detail, but general consensus seems to be that the plates themselves are just armour while underneath there's servos to adjust them (as seen on the shoulder details of new 40k terminators and HH marines) to keep them out of the marine's way while also providing best possible protection. These aspects are rarely shown and often they're just treated as regular pauldrons.
>>97752627That's a really cool detail, I'll be adding it to how I envision everything from now.
>>97752607>they have a "murder your praetor before he swings" gambit that /hhg/ can't understand the relevance ofWhat kind of Seize are we talking about here, anon?
I wish Solar Auxilia and Militia could bring Russes with sponsons. Booo gimme sponsons
>>97752709Militia can in 1.0 and SA can't which is alright because sponsons look silly.
>>97752709>>97752716sponsons would get in the way of densely stacking the fucking things en-masse side by side in a wall of dank russies
>>97752709They look so much better without them, it's insane.
>>97752709>Imperial Army Russes can't have sponsons>carnodons, baneblades, malcadors, etc. canThey're not even consistent with this retardation.>>97752809Even though I made my IG Russes without sponsons, I prefer it to be an option than something forced upon me. Same with Predator sponsons.
>>97752265That's all I could find lurking in the darkest corners of the internet:Detachements :>Hykanathoi : 2 Troops, (1 Prime), 1 Heavy Transport>Ephoroi : 2 Recon (1 Prime)>Tharanatoi : 2 Heavy Assault (1 Prime)>Kataphraktoi : 1 Fast Attack (Prime), 1 Heavy Transport, 1 Armour>Moritoi (Apex) : 2 War-Engines (1 Prime)Prime advantages :>Prefect (SC) : +1W, gains OotL (2)>Hetaeron Guard : 1 Infantry/Cavalry unit in the army + 1 for each Tribune/Valdor. Gains Eternal Warrior (2)New Gambits :>Stone Aegis and World Serpent’s Bane : seen on Warcom>Heaven’s Strike : Halve your Attacks for better Critical Hit (X) by 1>Raptor’s Surge : gains +1 Attack instead of Focus bonus from Outside SupportReactions :>The Blade Splits : Triggered when an enemy unit moves within 12”. Split your unit in two (original unit must contain 6 models at least) New gear :> Eternity blade/spear (SC & Tribune). Both are S+1 AP2 D2 Critical Hit (6+), Aflame (2), plus IM+1, Duellist’s Edge (1) and Shred (4+) for the blade, and Impact (AM), Shred (5+) for the spear> Iliastus Acceleration Fusil (Pallas): 24” FP4 RS7 AP3 D2 Breaching (6+), Rapid Tracking> Adrathic Desolator (Telemon) : 24” FP2 RS7 AP2 D4 Rending 4+>Neutronium cascade mine (Venatari) : IM-3 A1 S9 AP3 D3 Armourbane, Detonation, Annihilation Cascade (seems to work like volkite but on Armour Penetration) >Twin eutronium cascade projector (Caladius, Coronus, Telemon -> instead of the Proteus plasma projector) : FP1 RS7 AP3 D2 Template, Phage (T), Breaching (6+)>Neutronium Magna-cascade Cannon (Orion -> instead of the Magna-blaze cannon) : FP1 RS10 AP3 D3 Hellstorm, Phage (T), Breaching (4+), Annihilation CascadeOther changes :>Custodians and Sentinels are 6 models minimum per squad, up to 12>Seems like the gun on the Verutum spears (the Venatari ones) aren’t Assault anymore>Coronus can transport up to 14 models>Pallas is now 105pts, but the Arachnus blaze cannon is a 25pts upgrade (RIP ;_;)
>>97752837Carnodons are around the same width of russes without sponsons which most likely wasn't a coincidence.
>>97752844>Both are S+1 AP2 D2 Critical Hit (6+), Aflame (2), plus IM+1, Duellist’s Edge (1) and Shred (4+) for the blade, and Impact (AM), Shred (5+) for the speaLiterally better than most primarch weapons. Lmao. Also>sword goes first>spear hits more kek
>>97752844I dont understand Blade Splits. I suppose it's a way to save on detachment slots. Didn't know you could have 12 guys in a unit.I hope you repost this in the next thread
>>97752872>>sword goes first>>spear hits moreBooo
>>97752844>>97752872TYPO : The sword and spear are D1, they would be broken as fuck otherwise lol
>>97753122Nah. D1 critical is the reason why no praetor takes the paragon blade
>>97749041That is very transparently because you are one among the hundred aforementioned leftie attention whores or at least mostly alligned with them
>>97748918>>97749488every thread there is someone wildly hallucinating their own version of the setting and completely sperging out when people don't observe their internal workings as implacable fact
>>97753122Okay, thats much more reasonable lmao.
>>97753198Nta but I'm guessing you would take the pedos then?
What if...Custodes but with Thunder Hammers
>>97753133Praetors have thunder hammers as an option (d2), and the paragon blade is perfectly viable in challenges, its simply subpar for regular combat. The paragon blade also lacks shred. which is both just "a strong rule" (especially 4+) and stacks in a really dangerous way with critical hits (because every crit shreds). You would have a D2 at initiative weapon that hits closer to D3 most of the time. On top of its usual special rules, its nonsense.>but theyre custodes, theyre supposed to be the best at combatWhich they are by virtue of stats and eternal warrior, overloading them to that extent just encourages play where they never get to do anything interesting because its just an automatic win.
>>97753276Very good, however this also means actual variety for Custodes. Here, have another Shield-Captain model with existing wargear options.
>>97753309You can either have variety or you can have every option be overstatted. Pick.
>>97753317I reject your dichotomy and choose a kit with multiple melee weapon options that all represent a generic relic weapon, unironically
>>97753317I understand "muh options" is a concern - especially with the new edition limiting them -, but custodes have had "limited roster/loadout" as a clearly conscious design limitation for two editions now. Every custodes unit is some flavor of hyper-potent specialist, super powerful in whatever niche it does and often far more cost effective than its equivalent marine counterpart. The downside is that theyre very limited in what units they get and what those units can do (because whatever they do, they do exceedingly well). The lack of easy D2 or high strength melee is one of those things. Custodes should not have easy thunder hammers, its the closest they come to as a weakness in regards to melee. They have their terminators for D2, and thats how it should be. Its like with "heavy guns", the heavy guns custodes have are very good, but theyre very hard to come by and in many ways very limited (they struggle vs Av14 quite bad), thats not a case of "well that means we should give them a hover-kratos or a spartan" its a case of "this is what the army isnt supposed to do well">>97753327But thats not "options", thats just "you replaced "eternity sword" with "paragon relic" with the same stats, but it can look like a hammer now". You havent actually given custodes thunder hammers.
>>97753340But I don't want custodes to have thunder hammers, I want to kitbash
>>97753346Is a single person going to stop you? The only time I can see a kitbash being "problematic" is when its "misleading", you give your guy a sword and say "actually thunder hammer" or you give your tank a lascannon and say "actually its an autocannon". Pretty sure options that just arent "real" are always fair, give him a hammer or scythe or axe or a whip or whatever.
>>97753360>Femstode with a whipMmmm
>>97753360>Pretty sure options that just arent "real" are always fairIt's inversely proportional. You can't give a guy a axe and call it a hammer, but you can give it a hammer and call it an axe. Ot use the power weapon stats as abstracts and give someone a halberd and call it a spear or give them a grestsword and call it an axe, but you can't give someone a mace and call it a fist.
>>97753411>It's inversely proportional. You can't give a guy a axe and call it a hammeI think you can, depending on the size of the axe. As long as the thing "looks like it can represent what its saying it does" I think its kosher. If its a very big and scary axe? Yea, I can believe it has thunder hammer stats and therefore its allowed to have thunder hammer stats. Likewise if its a long and pointy halberd it can be a spear (halberds have a spear component anyways). Same for the "mace as fist", provided the mace looks like it could do what a power fist does then it should be fine. The biggest issue with "mace" and "fist" there is that those are common marine weapons, but on custodes for example? If you had your solarite gauntlet terminators with mauls I think thats perfectly fine.
>>97753421I think I misunderstood what you meant.I'm not really one to talk either
>>97753438Whats that supposed to count as?
>>97753442Irad cleanser :(
>>97753447They can have those?inb4 "not any more"
stupid sexy mars predators, fuuuuuuckgonna fashion a set of magnetic sponsoned heavy flamers and culverins for her yet but after a lil further cleanup and obligatory scarring to shit it'll be time to paintthe deimos hulls are gorgeous but i think i find these just a smidge more brutal in some sections
>>97753449Not anymore :^(
>>97753454Mars predators are much better than deimos predators. Only problem is converting the weapon options, really, but even that isn't very hard.
>>97753449Inb4 that inb4 u.u
>>97753454I wish Predators could go without sponsons, and Russes could get theirs
>>97753454I'd give it the extra armour on the turret for that MkIVc look.
>>97753489That's a thing in 1.0.
>>97753489sponsonless predators are drop-dead sexy but having them absolutely bristling with armaments is pretty hot as well>>97753501uwooooh (!!!)
>>97753489>Predators were found to always have been able to use twin Lascannon turrets in M36>Razorbacks were also discovered in M36Guys I want Razorbacks for 30k
>>97753510fucking hate that we're not actually getting astartes 2
>>97753529says whombst !?
>>97753516Maybe once we get to Scouring.
>>97753536says GW
>>97753569oh does your uncle (who has of course never laid a finger on you) work there?on the real though pls provide proofs, would be eager to see
>>97753510>>97753509Reminder not having to take sponsors was entirely there to allow people to take the mars predator, the deimos predator never supported a sponson less build, next time you faggots start outcrying about people using old 40k bits n kits. FW has always supported traditionally post heresy stuff finding there way in in one form or another
>>97753618It's always wild to me how Forgeworld purists exist for the heresy, like yeah, you sure are sticking it to GW by purchasing their higher profit margin product
>>97753618>not having to take sponsors was entirely there to allow people to take the mars predatorThe kit came with sponsons, so how was it necessary to give the option to not have them when no Predator kit was without? They didn't see it necessary to old SA Russes sponsons even though the kits at the time came with sponsons.>the deimos predator never supported a sponson less buildIt was not difficult to leave the resin sponsons off and cover the hole with a round Rhino door. On the new kits it's simple to swap the side panels with the sponson mounts with ones from a Rhino or Vindicator to have either smooth sides or round doors. Yes, that requires parts from another kit, but GW can't rely on that excuse now that they're selling guns and melee weapons as separate kits.
>>97753618How can it not support sponsonless? Bro just don't attach the sponson guns bro lmao
>>97750808You should not have done that. Look at the armour. the shoulder to hip to waist ratio. that is a mans armour. The new custodes armour is a square same hip and shoulder size. And while a man can reach such size (old Henry the VIIIth) generaly they do not.
>>97753317There's a lack of variety for stronger units but losing shit like Solarite gauntlets, talons, Meridian swords, and now even apparently melta and disintegration spears is wack. Having an edition that encourages you to take HQ/Command models, but then only having one option, is just silly for a hyper-elite army unless the leaks infer more favorable detachments. All the while the sisterhood next door is even worse off and can't really cover the same holes, despite being made of them.Imagine fucking 40k Custodes having more options than in 30k, the former a game that is currently more inherently hostile to doing your own thing. I've seen better variety from the PS3 library.
>>97748430I have to wonder if it is because the custodian box is popular (dubious, I think) or because they just didnt produce that many.
I'm not sure how tanky to make an objective for a an LI mission where the attackers can't take anything heavier than a Sabre but those cute little fuckers can take Neutron cannons. So should I just make it strong to withstand tankettes with titan killer cannons and just accept if the player doesn't take them they can just assault the objective instead and destroy it that way (any unit that wins a close combat with it can blow it up)?
When are we getting a datasheet for Invisibles?
>>97753862astartes pouring into an installation are absolutely going to fuck shit up if the assault is successful
>>97754143>>97754143>>97754143
>>97754145We haven't hit the image limit yet retard
>>97754196If I wanted your opinion I'd wipe it off my shoe like so much dogshit
>>97753618>FW has always supported traditionally post heresy stuff finding there way in in one form or anotherThat's silly because in 10+ years of 1.0 there was no predator TL lascannon turret rules.
>>97752204>Hair? Never been done before, wigs and wigs only.Please look at the sprue for Frostgrave Wizards 2 and proceed to shut up. Excuse making for the corporation that is your personality donor is no proof of expertise.If that hair can not be done as a single peace it is because they needed to change the hair strands slightly and the laurel leaves angle on the head a bit, not because wreathed head us inherently an impossibility.
