Professor EditionPrevious: >>97833922>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What's your favorite place to go to learn more about EDH?
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>>97837940Why do one of you guys religiously add that furry porn link? I bet it's the faggot obsessed with diaperfur
>>97837940I unironically look down upon you if you're using a precon at a serious table and/or using an EDHRec top 100 commander.
>>97837967You don't actually believe this btw
pretty easy and cheap to go retard mode with this, I'm liking itwhat are your crazy underplayed commanders?
>>97838021I just think he's neat
>>97837940>TQ: What's your favorite place to go to learn more about EDH?Why, /edhg/, of course
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97837967>mfw I roll up to the table with an unmodified Mothman precon and watch this guy shit himself
>>97838075so based
>>97838075you will lose to anything that isn't bottom barrel bracket 2
>>97838066power matters is always neatand since the abzan expansions from TDM and ECL, toughness matters too
>>97838021She can actually go off quite fast and can recover quite fast. Never underrated.
reminder:segregating other people's fun is okay when it's not my playstyle that gets hurt!
>>97837966To appease the gay scalie cabal. If you anger them it's 3 more UB: Marvel sets.
>>97838086>The deck that was considered one of the best precons that punched way above its weight before Hearthull came out will lose to only the worst of the worst peconsSure. Smells like shit in here.
>play voltron>win every gameI think my local playgroup is honestly just retarded
>>97838090I also built a toughness matters deck, I've yet to play it but I feel like I'll enjoy my time
>>97838112Unless you're playing Uril, they are probably retarded.
>>97838096*very underrated
>>97838111Sir! Brackets decide power level. If your deck is bracket 2 it cannot possibly beat a 3 or 4.
>>97838099this but unironically
>>97838114as long as you don't make the same retarded mistakes as me, you will. like making all board wipes power based and then losing to some retarded 1/1 vampire token army
>>97838172Was it Edgar Markov? I hate that commander so much
edgar dingledumb
>>97838199no, it was orzhov token lifegain. I tested edgar once and decided he's too ridiculous.
>>97838233I think I just hate vampires in general now that I think about it
>>97838235based
>>97838118Uril looks so cool I wish he was actually fun to play.
I'm going insane here, I'm trying to cook a deck with all the "leaves your graveyard" cards but I can't find wincons
>>97838268token makers, there's like three tramplers that get counters when creatures leave (in green, sorry), sir konrad and soul enervation do aristocrats triggers, red has a few more of those pingers with one more already spoiled in return to strixhaven
>>97838282https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lair2NxP0Sg
Crazy that Edgar still gets hate in 2026 when he's barely usable in bracket 3 at this point.
>>97836883 #>That still sounds pretty baller. Thrax >decks are rated 10 gold stars on >commander style points alone.Thanks dude glad you can appreciate it
>>97838318I also like to make things up!
>>97838072This has been debunked
Thirty-five (35) starting life is objectively superior to forty (40)
>>97838343What am i making up?
>>97838353>>97838318>t. Edgar Markov
>>97838112I lost a game earlier with randos to a mono white artifact & equipment heavy deck where his commander was swinging for 16 on turn 3. Neither of the other 2 players (white/black and green/black) played any artifact, enchantment or creature removal. And I mulliganed down to 4 so I was fucked from the start but only had a single counter spell. I had damnation in my opening hand and other removal. And this was bracket 4So yeah Voltron can work great when people run zero interaction. I do think it’s a good way to win though you just need a lot of shit to protect the voltron…NORMALLY. (Even people aren’t being retards)
>>97838254Drop a colour or two, play Thrun, Yenna, Hogaak
>>97838021I wish I had a deck for her. Paying life is an underutilized mechanic, historically speaking.
Hey if that other anon is still here from the previous thread I was wondering who between BL & R-on made the most realistic white bordered cards like FWB duals and English unlimited, and maybe a few black bordered English things from more recent Masters sets. Not foils at all and mostly what would have been plausibly bought 10-15 years ago (to clarify it’s not for reselling or scamming but so I don’t get interrogated at games with a no proxy rule)
>>97838413Because in a rare bout of sanity WotC quickly learned paying life is a fake cost and it's doubly so in a format where people have twice as much starting life.
>>97838413Oh this intrigues me. My secondary deck, which is like a B2/B3 is a white/black tribal Knights with squall, seed mercenary as the commander. And it works really well and I use some other legendary black/white cards with it, but I know I don’t have a totally comprehensive list like for example this one’s new to me.I recently modified it to make use of the multiples of Nazgûl mechanic and it’s cool. But I’d like a blue white black Esper knight commander to integrate horsemanship but I don’t want to use the Esper commander either eminence that is from a recent pre-con
>>97838282These are your best ones yet, lad.
>>97838021Bullied the Vivi player because the table agreed to give back my artifacts with Pia's revolution and I kept crashing Vivi into their blockers lmao
>>97838422Can't argue with that. Still fun though. I especially like it in Vona's case because she's set up to let you send her into combat, gain life, then tap her to smite something post-combat. Simple but elegant design.
>>97838268the wincon is on the backside
>>97838422*GōtC
Sorry about my card sleeves they're the only ones I could find
>>97838547How dare you do this to Loot!
>>97838547LMAO, I will allow it
What does the bracket even mean?
>>97838587It means you know how to spoilertag
>>97838547
>>97838587Works for me, and I too am making a 1k bracket 2 deck.
>>97838547Funny, but show us them again when they are really reals
>>97837967Mfw I roll up with my Stella Lee deck and kick your ass
>>97838662>need this card for deck>buy it>didn't realize I bought this horribly ugly versionfelt bad
>>97838753Take the loss and sell it to your LGS, then buy the normal one.
I don't get why anyone would sell to an LGS unless you're desperate for quick cash
>>97838766No.
>>97838662This is worse than a boobie proxy
>>97837940
>>97838662What the fuck were they thinking with this secret lair
>>97838662proxyhaters??? your response?
How much butthurt would I generate for playing this funny little fox as a bracket 3? I've got some people at my LGS who insist "certain commanders" are automatically in bracket 4/5.
>>97838873your poor
>>97838897Nigga it's Voltron that's a bracket 2 commander
>>97838897>cast one of the same 5 auras>to fetch one of the same 3 auras>win gameWow so incredibly based you did it i love tutors they keep the game so fresh and interesting. Not to beat around the bush but unless you build it intentionally loaded with shit or weird auras, it's gonna be the same stuff every single game.
>>97838902Not that guy, but have you never seen a light paws deck? She's an absolute asshole who follows a brain dead flowchart like >>97838907 points out. What's even more disgusting is that she can make herself immune to everything (Spectra Ward + Unquestionable Authority) AND still attach more auras. And that's if she didn't beat you to death on turn 3 due to the stupid double life gain and "you get +1/+1 for life gained" nonsense.
>>97838902I'll let my opponents know my deck is b2 despite the farewell
>>97838919It doesn't matter what it is, and what the deck does, he just will say every voltron deck is completely trash and bracket 1, 2 at best. He does it every time.
>>97838902bracket 2 turn 4 swing 20/20 double strike protection from all colors and creatures
>>97838919It's an aura voltron commander that needs multiple turns of setup to actually be lethal and dies to any edict no matter how well it protects itself.No doubt a strong casual option and pretty consistent, but if it gets hindered at all in its gameplan it basically auto-loses because can't recover as well as equip-based voltrons.
>>97838928>I always have it
Bracket 2 doesn't mean random piles or 2017 precons, it means you can WIN (not take out one guy, win the entire game) by turn 8 and even a bit earlier on occasion when you get lucky.Most "bracket 3" tables go for far longer than that, but that's because most people are bad players and even worse deck builders, or they play decks that are deliberately slow.Easy, aggressive flowchart decks like Light-Paws seem stronger than they are because they actually perform to the specs of their bracket without having to think too hard, but the reality is that it's not actually a very strong commander in Bracket 3 and a complete joke beyond that.
turn 1 ?turn 2 light pawsturn 3 ?turn 4 kill somebodyturn 5 kill somebodyturn 6 kill somebody winlightpaws is definitionally the gold standard of bracket 3
>>97838967I mean yeah if the entire table runs zero interaction and doesn't target you and you also have a great starting hand on top of that, but that should be the exception, not the rule.Most half-playable bracket 2 decks could win by turn 6 if their table was made up of training dummies that just let them execute their gameplan with literally zero interference, but because that's not the reality of playing the game it almost never actually happens that way.
>>97838959>It wins, and it can win fast, and its optimized>Its bad thoughOkay.
>>97838993if your deck can win by turn 6 it's not bracket 2
>>97838994It typically wins at the speed that a decent bracket 2 deck should win, yeah.
Rog/Si isn't that good because if your opponents have interaction for Ad Naus on turn 1 (which they always will), you don't win.
>>97838997No, the bracket system states that you should be able to typically expect games to last X turns, which includes your opponents taking actions on their own turns instead of just letting you win without playing anything at all themselves.Any grug-brained green bracket 2 deck would win by turn 6 if their opponents just passed every turn without playing anything or ever interacting, but because that's not how the game works, those matches almost always last much longer.
>>97839007Correct tardo, absolutely bracket 2.
>when a tribal card seems really good and fun but the rest of the tribal cards dont hold upsadge
>>97838967You can usually kill even faster than that if you're running Aetherflux Reservoir.
>>97838994Speed, complexity, and inflection points for interaction are different things. Light paws is bad, but it is a linear easy deck with a wincon, which is much better than a deck without a wincon, but lesser than a faster deck or a more difficult to disrupt deck with more easily defended inflection points, which are usually more complex.
>>97838967If you have a superstate you can just kill all 3 on turn 4.
>>97839007Bit of a difference between aura voltron (lol) and a cedh turbo deck.If 3 players combined have zero ways of interacting with an aura voltron commander in any way in like half a dozen turns then their decks are barely even bracket 2.
>>97839032Explain the play line you're hallucinating here
>at LGS today>mfw I learn Annihilator can be copied by Roaming Throne>mfw I'm on the receiving end of this bullshit
>>97839032>ramping to 7 mana on turn 4>in monowhite
Heirloom Blade in Edgar is a flex.
>White have no ways to stop interaction.Hmm.>>97839041>There are no ways to cheat out auras in white
>>97839049>>White have no ways to stop interaction.If the Light-Paws player dedicates mana to protecting their commander instead of exclusively casting offensive auras every turn then they're also not actually killing people that early. So again, it's all fine.
>>97839049Anon, are you seriously arguing about the power of a voltron deck? If you are below that power level, your opinions on the subject have no merit.
>>97839049Okay so like what's the order of events you are imagining where super state comes out on turn 4 and oneshots the table?Tell us which cards are being played to make that happen.
>>97839054>You can't play auras and hold up a single mana for white's buffet of single drop protection spells.>>97839057That's not an argument. You can't say "deck is bad because removal by good players" and expecting the white player to have no interaction of their own. I get that you want to believe all voltron decks are bad because you lost to one once and are still super salty about it, but you need to stop being a retard.
>>97839032The splash damage from super state doesn't count as commander damage sadly.
>>97839084>>You can't play auras and hold up a single mana for white's buffet of single drop protection spellsYou're talking about LP killing people by turn 4, let me know how that's happening if you're holding up any mana for protection? Retarded ass faggot.
>>97839084I can say whatever I want, and it is an argument. It's a linear telegraphed deck. Even the most pimped out light paws deck on bleeding edge technology would be stomped consistently by old off meta decks, and the average player should be able to deal with it at maximum power level after fairly minor deck revisions, at most. If you cannot, you are below that threshold, and are either really new or really bad, which means your opinion on the subject should be taken from the point of view of someone who struggles to deal with voltron decks, and likely has limited or extremely convoluted and ineffective wincons/interaction.
Lightpaws would rape by regular pod. Everyone's deck "is a 4" but all the tutors, rhystics, sphinx's and necropotences in the world won't help you when you will never draw into an answer. Its been two years, and they still haven't caught on that the reason I win more than them is because I have more than a single boardwipe for removal in my decks. Lightpaws looks really, really boring though.I've been beating them with a Vivi voltron deck for fuck sake.
>>97839041Smothering Tithe bozoYOU'RE DONE
>>97838959the problem is a bracket 3 deck is barely stronger than a bracket 2 deck, if at all
>>97839107Slightly different, if you dont try to win the game, you should have no expectation to win the game, and lightpaws or voltron as a whole is like the minimum attempt at winning the game.
>>97839107>I'm beating them with one of the most broken cards magic has printed in the past 5 years even playing it massively unoptimized Wow anon, so impressive, wow
>>97839116Not really, bracket 3 decks can actually be very significantly more powerful than bracket 2 decks, given that they're even allowed to win with 2-card infinites from turn 6 onwards.Bracket 3 is actually a pretty powerful format, retards at many stores just build bracket 2 decks with game changers and think that's the ceiling of the bracket.
>>97839130Its not impressive, or meant to be impressive, the point is that its fucking sad.
>>97839131They're practically identical in terms of power level from a pragmatic standpoint. And no, bracket 3 isnt "a pretty powerful format". It's an eternal format, at the power level of an eternal format. Like bracket 2.
>>97839131>can beThe vast majority of them are "bracket 2 deck where I put in some game changers"
>>97839151Bracket 2 doesn't have 2-card infinites and its decks shouldn't be built to consistently win before turn 8, that's a significant powerlevel downgrade from bracket 3's limitations.If you also factor in the stated intent of the brackets then a bracket 2 deck would be even weaker, bracket 3 decks are allowed to be almost completely optimized minus less than a handful of suboptimal includes, while bracket 2 decks are supposed to be significantly unoptimized even within the limitations of its bracket.
>>97839158Yeah that's my point, most "bracket 3" players should really just cut the GCs and move down because their shitty piles would get stomped by real bracket 3 decks and then they're gonna be mad.
Yeah I blatantly pub stomp, what are you going to do about it?
>>97839197I never actually see pub stomping happens.
>>97839168Oh, it's this guy again. That's all nice and everything, but "intent" doesnt factor into power level, and lots of combos with more moving pieces are actually much more effective in practice, but harder to pilot compared to an AB combo deck with maybe 2 or 3 wincons and some form of streamlining. Also, not even cedh decks are optimized, they're usually designed by a crowd where basically no one is an expert or a professional at the deck, because it isnt required considering the variance in the format.
>ENTERS your bracket 3Problem, Gavin?
we need to somehow create an AI that's 1000% capable of optimizing decks for a given bracket and give definitive lists
Sometimes I talk to ChatGPT about my lists and it's VERY supportive.
I provide commander decklist to ai then proceed to play with it.
>>97839244yes it's retarded
Do you run it in every deck with black you build?
>>97839255no it costs like 5 dollars
>>97839255No. I didn't ever have a copy until recently. Now I don't even know what to cut for it.
>>97839255No because its play pattern is creating sacky wins if it's in your opening hand which is very boring.
>>97839255Yes, it's very good.Also consider Cabal Ritual, Sacrifice, and/or Culling the Weak, but they are a bit more obtuse.
I was recently gifted pic rel for my birthday, it's kinda cool. What should I pick up to upgrade it with?
>>97839289Ninja Pizza
>>97839320I hate this this is actually a good card for this deck.
I really hate the word "foods"
>>97839320Still mad they made these pixel art versions uber duber special 200 dollar cards
>>97839342i have the foil pixel ninja pizza. bought a collector's box and pulled it and a bunch of other good shit.
>>97839342Especially with the standard art being even fucking worse. They couldn't have done a non foil standard alt art, then a surge serialized for the consooomers?
>>97839359me on the left
>>97839289Unironically the TMNT set has some pretty good upgrades for this deck but I also suggest some typical ones.
>>97839376cute robot you have there, it'd be an awful shame if I was on the field...
Is she inherently B4 if you go the extra combat route (e.g., Bloodthirster, Combat Celebrant)?
>>97839396>Is she inherently B4Yes
>>97839396Just don't put in GCs and she is 2.
How did your EDH games go tonight? Played 1v1 vs my friend and his Boros deck.>ramp Teneb out turn 4>Have Phyrexian Altar out>Entomb Ashen Rider for Teneb's ability>put him into a lock where I exile two permanents a turn while dealing 6 commander damage>concedes turn 6
>>97839572It's easter. Everybody is with their family or took a small vacation.
yaaaaaaaycan't wait to power up my decks for next weekend :)
>>97839614>$140>on fake cardselohel
>>97839625Maybe Wizards should actually make these cards affordable so I wouldn't have to resort to proxies
>>97839630The worst part is knowing if you custom built a deck that would be 14k it probably is still turboshit
Query: Is there such a thing as a high (bracket number) and low (bracket number)? Or are there just good and bad bracket (number) decks?
>>97839686Brackets are arbitrary. There are just good and bad decks in brackets. Because the brackets don't control power very well.
>>97839384>robotthat's an assembly-worker
>>97839630But I dont feel the need to pretend to have cards I cant afford just to enjoy a children's card game; I guess that's the difference between us
>>97839746Oh boy here he goes again
>>97839396yes, because it will be a two card combo
>>97839630You dont have a printer bro?
>>97839768yeah bro lemme just pull an industrial grade printer and all that ink and all that card stock out of my ass
>>97839783>Print cards on a letter paper>Cut it out>Put a land in a sleeve>Put cutout over itIs this really a complicated process? The point of a proxy is that it's an approximation of the card you want, paying out the ass for fake cardboard just makes no sense.
>>97839787It does if you want AI generated porn or anime sloppa.
>>97839796Just... put those pictures onto the card...?
This thread gets way too angry about people buying proxies.
Say I brought picrel to the table. Besides the fact that it's a playtest card, why woudn't you let me run it?
>>97839849Because I have the ability to stop you from playing it. I have very little power in my life and I will abuse what little I have
>>97839859based cuck energy
>>97839849didnt they make this into a real card? I actually would really like to make a high bracket deck out of this. white life gain tribal cats NOW WITH DOGS
>>97839787they dont let you play at game stores with this type of shit though do they? this is only kitchen table right? or I dont know I haven't done a sealed event since 2011
>>97839925and by sealed event I mean any non kitchen table or MODO game, ie haven't played at a card store since 2011
>>97839630hopefully they will soon. what site did you use, would they pass for real cards with all the correct info? I want to order some white border ones and shuffle them up a bunch for a couple weeks with bulk lands to make them have natural wear and then take them to local events without getting kicked outyou cant even use tournament edition cards or 30th anniversary though for that
>>97839625Depends. WPN stores can't let proxies through officially. Some players don't care, some do and just won't play with you (because it's important that you spent a couple grand on cardboard). If you're really concerned get some chinese counterfeits. I've been playing at WPN stores with those and no one bats an eye at them.>>97839937That website won't. Get something from USEA or the other counterfeiters. More expensive unless you join a group buy for 1k+ cards, but I've never had a problem after sleeving them. Looking at the backs of any of these or the sides (you can see the separation on 99% of these regardless of seller) will easily show they are fake. Fronts are usually fine especially while sleeved.
