>>97873804
>Favorite fanon Star Destroyer?
I like the various SSD variants because people sperg out about them.

TQ: anyone making "small" destroyers?

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>>97873804
>TQ
This, but unironically
I just love ridiculously huge superweapons and warships.
Freud probably would have some sort of opinion on that.

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>>97873815
>>97873863
>SSD variants
Does Urbanus count? I think it's pretty cool take on ISD-but-bigger that's more sensible. It's almost like a Resurgent but without the stupid split hull at the front.

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Post minis
Play tabletop games

>>97873815
You'd expect there to be tons of variations even in the same class of ship, because large vessels tend to all be more individually built. Like how each battleships in a class have enough variations that they can be identified from one another.

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>>97873863
Maximalism ain't my thing honestly. It just feels like it makes smaller ships irrelevant.
>>97874026
Fractal makes some sick shit, recently he's actually managed to fully achieve an ILM style like Henry and is working on reduxing old ships. Sad that he's a mega Saxtonite autist but otherwise his ships are great alongside Henry's
I still prefer the latter's though since he styles them more like ILM did, focusing on shapes and stuff instead of realistic output.

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>>97874026
>stupid split hull at the front
The underbite is probably one of the designers carefully taking the piss.

It's literally the genetically retarded SD class built by the inbred idiot faction.

was the venator a terrible ship?

good for a carrier I guess but it's main armament was 4 twin turbolasers mounted on the top and needed a retrofit to turn the bottom hull hanger into a laser and broadside cannons

no wonder it got replaced by the ISD so quickly

>>97874054
I look at the SSDs like they are 2nd rates and 1st rates in age of sail terms.

Powerful but impractically large for most tasks, so they end up as station or sector flagships that barely even leave orbit.

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>>97874062
>Maximalism ain't my thing honestly. It just feels like it makes smaller ships irrelevant.
Neither. There's also no solid proof of maximalism in-universe. Moffs and such having their own not-quite-Executors is just fine in my opinion though.
>>97874098
Yeah, but this version is pure-sex, and I'd like to put it in the Resurgent's role, mentally speaking.

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>>97874113
The Venator was a fine battleship carrier hybrid, also you got the armament wrong, picrel
Anyways the big issue is it wasn't designed as a proper capital ship destroyer, that was the Victory's role and eventually the Imperator came as a mix of both carrying capacity and capital ship power
But Venators and Vics remained as standard Imperial fleet members (Vics are in a lot of EU media of the period too), as seen at the end of RotS years into the DS1's production. The idea of them being "phased out" is Saxton fanfic because he believes starships are like real life battleships produced during wartime, of "lower quality"
There is no evidence the Empire ever got rid of Republican military assets beyond "we don't see them in the OT" which is retarded
>>97874124
>Moffs and such having their own not-quite-Executors is just fine in my opinion though.
Yeah I'm fine with rare larger ships. I imagine standard Moffs probably get mostly ISDs though a few have larger ships and Grand Moffs do get larger non-SSD ships like Allegiances

>>97874153
wasnt the end of RoTS venators though?
and yes, it's a mix of technology early on, you have stormtroopers using LAAT/i's, V-wings, and the ISD was coming off the line in 18BBY, with full production being seen slightly earlier in 18BBY (i.e not "lets produce tarkin's one first then make the rest if he likes it")

however we do see venators still being used in tales of the empire, but we don't know when that takes place (around the time of the thrawn novel/comic?)

>>97874113
It'd be a great carrier but most of the time you see them on-screen they're fighting at close range with their frankly pitiful direct-fire armament (the Acclamator had more and better placed guns despite being smaller and being primarily a transport). For that role ISDs, or even the carrier variant of the Acclamator (more guns than a Venator while still having about half its carrying capacity, allowing it to still deploy a respectable amount of fighters) would have been better.
Basically, it's not a bad ship, but people clearly didn't know what to actually do with it, both in- and out of universe.

>>97874062
>Maximalism ain't my thing honestly. It just feels like it makes smaller ships irrelevant.
I have no excuses, I just like it.

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>>97874160
Yes, the end of RotS is Venators.
I think it's a mix of tech even later. By the time of the OT I headcanon V-Wings and LAATs being used by the normal military and navy grunts while TIEs and Henry's LAAGs replace them in more elite circles like the Storm Corps (yes, I know it goes against his headcanon but his is kinda dumb lol). Same with other things like the Skipray Blastboats
Idc much about Disney since they actually canonized Venators being decommissioned in Jedi Fallen Order which is insanely dumb.
>>97874172
This is just wrong, the Acclamator has less armament and what it does have is notably weaker than the Venator (heavy turbolasers are stronger than quad turbolasers, for instance). The Acclamator was NEVER meant to be a direct assault ship, it's a transport
It's also not really a good fighter carrier either, and transorming it into one would likely mean far less guns
The idea of Acclamators being in any way usable in direct combat is EaW nonsense because they needed a smaller ship and didn't want to use the Vindicator with is an actual heavy cruiser designed for battle

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>>97873804
Turbulent? What the fuck is that shit? If I want a smaller ISD why wouldn't I just use Victory?

>>97874258
Vic is more intended for capital ship fighting, iirc the Turbulent IS an actual EU ship that was made post-Endor and is literally a micro-ISD, more generalist than the Victory
I do agree that it is forgettable though, more because the Vindicator exists which is also another small ISD pretty much lol

>>97874113
>was the venator a terrible ship?
In the SW universe or irl?

It was fine in universe. Jack-of-all-trades, Master of none and all that. Obviously better than Acclamators, but couldn't hit as hard a VSDs or later ISDs.
If you wanna look at it from an IRL pov, you should separate both roles into dedicated ships. Have your brawler ship in front while your carriers stay in the rear and all that. If you've played strategy games or space sim games, this is pretty obvious.

>The idea of them being "phased out" is Saxton fanfic because he believes starships are like real life battleships produced during wartime, of "lower quality"
>There is no evidence the Empire ever got rid of Republican military assets beyond "we don't see them in the OT" which is retarded
Nah that makes perfect sense and is a natural evolution of technology that George Lucas envisioned. I don't necessarily agree that wartime ships are "lower quality", but I hate this retarded EU fan idea that tech doesn't progress in the SW universe. It's clear that the TIE Interceptor and the A-wing/B-wing are superior to their predecessors. If both factions were left alone, each side would eventually decommission older obsolete starfighters/starships.
Assuming that the Empire eventually decommissioned older assets and scraped them to build newer shit is perfectly natural. Imperial doctrine and Republic doctrine were different, why keep ships that don't fit your new doctrine? We can even look at something smaller in scale with Clone troopers. Their armor changed over time as newer, better equipment started being issued. You think they didn't phase out older clonetrooper armor?

And all the shit I'm talking about is from the movies. I don't really give a fuck about what some dogshit EU fanfic says.

>>97874266
I mean tbf the Vindicator is like 600m and the Turbulent is 1.4km but idk, maybe it's just the shit name and kinda generic aesthetic it has.

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>>97874266
Seems pointless. Victory can do multiple things, why have a flood of ship designs?

Vindicator's also pointless (and boring-looking). Literally has like a single appearance. Dreadnaught is a cooler thing to have in that size-category. Or, like, Gladiator.

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>>97874266
So just Gladiator?

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>>97874268
>a natural evolution of technology that George Lucas envisioned
Lucas had Venators in RotS YEARS into the Imperial reign. The implication is that the ISD is indeed an evolution but the Venators and Acclamators still exist. No evidence that they were left behind.
>I hate this retarded EU fan idea that tech doesn't progress in the SW universe
There's a difference between having ISDs in the Old Republic and having Venators still be present a few decades later.
>It's clear that the TIE Interceptor and the A-wing/B-wing are superior to their predecessors
Wrong. The TIE Interceptor is not only expensive and limited in production (working alongside standard TIEs at Endor), it's also designed as an interceptor instead of a space superiority fighter as the name suggests. The A-Wing is in all sources straight up said to be a giant engine with a hull, it has mediocre to bad weapons and extremely frail shielding, opposed to the heavily shielded and strong X-Wing. The B-Wing is far heavier in payload than the Y-Wing but far more unwieldy since it's a dedicated heavy bomber while the Y-Wing is a bomber fighter hybrid.
>Imperial doctrine and Republic doctrine were different, why keep ships that don't fit your new doctrine?
It really wasn't, people seriously misunderstand Tarkin Doctrine.
>You think they didn't phase out older clonetrooper armor?
Yes because Stormtrooper armor IS an improvement on the older armor. The ISD does not carry as much as the Venator does, and the Venator is smaller and hence is on a different ship tier than the ISD. Again, we see them in RotS when the DSI is already well underway.
>>97874274
>Victory can do multiple things
It's a dedicated capital ship destroyer with concussion missiles for that purpose (Vic II is retarded).
>Vindicator's also pointless
No, it's the original form of the Interdictor and is a smaller frigate.
>Dreadnaught
The Dready is VERY old and mostly focused on being really tough but overall weak.

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>>97874289
>It's a dedicated capital ship destroyer with concussion missiles for that purpose (Vic II is retarded).
We see it do multiple things. I fail to see why I would use a random EU stub article of a ship, which doesn't even look that different from the millions of 'ISD but successor/better/predecessor/different!' fan designs out there.

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>>97874287
>Gladiator
The Gladiator as a micro ISD is extremely moronic lore deriving from TFU misunderstanding what it was meant for. Just by its external design you can tell the original author's intent was for it to be a small starfighter carrier, not a generalist ship.
Not that I'm defending the Turbulent but yeah, TFU had tons of general lore fuckups because the devs didn't give two flying fucks.

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>>97874294
Variance is nice. I'm fine with using the Victory as a smaller ISD since I completely botched up the Vindicator's size, though it should be noted that it is still mainly focused for anti capital ship duties and would do better with extra starfighter support. I do agree the Turbulent is too generic for my taste as well
But Vindicator is honestly nice as a sidegrade to the Interdictor. I also like Fractal's Proclamator as a military evolution of the Acclamator (not as a precursor as he himself says, that's the dumbest thing I've heard anyone say about the Acclamator.)

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>>97874299
Didnt fractal lore also say pic related is pre-Empire? which is retarded as fuck, why would a demilitarized republic be building triangles? The whole point of Clone Wars militarization is a prelude to the Empire, if you have it before, it defeats the point.

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>>97874310
As far as I know the Tyrant itself is not pre-Empire, its non-missile variant Dictator is.
>why would a demilitarized republic be building triangles?
There IS lore that ships like the Mandator are pre-Palpatine. Triangles derive from local Kuati building customs which produced massive ships during the later years of the Republic up to the Clone Wars. The thing is these massive triangles were barely armed and more just a way for rich fuckers to show off how wealthy they were.
However, Fractal IS retarded because he doesn't believe in Ruusan demilitarization or a lack of established Republican military before the Clone Wars, which is something the films themselves say. Ergo he does believe these ships had heavy weapons for some reason.
That isn't his most retarded statement, though. He believes the Venator was designed 20 YEARS before the Clone Wars despite all media putting it as a secret project completed in the middle of the CW (or under TCW, at the start). He believes the Acclamator is even older. He believes the ISD saw heavy use in the Clone Wars when only very few prototypes existed by the end of the conflict. He believes there are millions of Executors roaming around the galaxy. His Saxtontism and obsession with muh reelism leads to very stupid takes. And his followers are worse, genuinely believing the Death Star 2 is like 900km wide because some ILM artist said something like that once in an interview in an old SFX magazine, which was probably a hyperbole anyways. Let's not even talk about shit like Endor Genocide theory

>>97874330
Neither of those ships look to be anywhere earlier than Clone Wars Era, which is where most triangles started showing up. Mandators are specifically show-off boats with limited weapons and limited hyperdrives, barely any better systems defense satellites, probably worse, since those systems are putting their eggs in one giant metal basket. I'd wager some of them got refitted for war, but I doubt there were more than like a couple of Mandators.

Those ships you have shown I could see passable as either Imperial prototypes, or the kind of ISD alternatives KDY sells to smaller powers, like Corporate Sector, etc. I suppose you could go crazy and make them those Chiss-Imperial hybrids we never get to see.

But they're not fucking pre-Clone Wars, that's retarded.

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>>97874369
>Neither of those ships look to be anywhere earlier than Clone Wars Era
I'd argue the Dictator doesn't even look Republican or Imperial, I can MAYBE see it as post-Endor but I'm personally not a huge fan. Afaik though the Tyrant was made for some dude's personal RPG shit (rich cunt since Fractal overprices his services, for 5h you need to pay him thousands of bucks)
>I'd wager some of them got refitted for war, but I doubt there were more than like a couple of Mandators.
A few did get retrofit and technically the Mandator III irc IS an Imperial military design but I don't particularly like it.
>Imperial prototypes
Nah, don't look like prototypes imo.
>the kind of ISD alternatives KDY sells to smaller powers, like Corporate Sector, etc
Dictator is 4km long, certainly not an ISD alternative
>But they're not fucking pre-Clone Wars, that's retarded.
That I can agree with.
Anyways there are Fractal designs I do like. His Torpedo Sphere is way better than the EU one, which doesn't look Imperial in the slightest.

>>97874387
>I'd argue the Dictator doesn't even look Republican or Imperial
I mean yeah that's why I said, having it be some smaller government's lead ship checks out. If its 4KM probably equal to Urbanus/Allegiance.
>ich cunt since Fractal overprices his services, for 5h you need to pay him thousands of bucks
hey, don't knock on a business means. If he's found some rich virgins willing to spend cash on make-believe ships than hookers and cars, what's there to hate? His fanon sounds shittier than I thought, mostly from glancing through his website. But he makes good designs and great renders. Same as EC Henry, honestly. Pick and choose from them.

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>>97874396
>His fanon sounds shittier than I thought, mostly from glancing through his website
I lurk his trooncord server (picrel is proof, early renders of a Strike Cruiser remake he hasn't published yet), I kid you not it's full of genuine fags (as in, homos) and troons which defend the Ackolyte and Fagdo S3 on the daily lmao. Definition of consoomers. And yes, most of his ships if not all are commissions which take thousands of dollars to actually get him to do, and he takes months if not years. He's had a Lucrehulk in the works since like mid 2025 and still hasn't finished it, now he's doing a Bulwark and New Republic carrier SD
It's also an echo chamber like no other, if you disagree with any common opinion some autist will come and genuinely harrass you with constant ad hominems. There's this retard which genuinely gets his kicks off of insulting genuinely clueless newfags adking about the lore because he has some degree from some North African shithole about naval ships and that apparently gives him the authority to be Reddit mod tier subhuman garbage
>Same as EC Henry, honestly. Pick and choose from them.
I think Henry's designs are overall way better, Fractal sucks at ground vehicles except maybe his tanks and his starfighters that aren't TIEs are kinda bad
Henry's issue is equally retarded lore imo, though in his case it's less autismo and more just being a Yidsneyfag who kinda hates the Empire and comes up with somewhat ridiculous ideas

>>97874418
I just noticed I overused "genuine" a lot, sorry about that, makes it a pain to read

>>97874330
>Endor Genocide theory
Is that the thing where people say deorbiting DS2 bits caused ewokxtinction? How's that relate to fractal?
I'd also like to state for the record that I think the Dictator is a very sexy ship, even if it doesn't fit the era it was supposedly created in. The Tyrant looks like hot ass though. There is absolutely zero tactical advantage in building a giant ring to mount all your missiles on so you can have a thin spindly weak-ass section amidships. Run them along its edge like you have a brain and intend to use it.
Seriously, why the fuck does he like rings so much.

>>97874463
>How's that relate to fractal?
It's a theory created by the man himself, Curtis Saxton, the guy who Fractal and his cronies follow daily. And they believe in it too lmao
It's also just retarded because it again relies on the DS2 being 900km wide through pixel scaling (incredibly unreliable) and trying to add realism that doesn't exist

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>>97874418
Sounds like every pedocord server ever.

Anyways, the renders of either of them are out online. If something's online, there's no copyright, especially if its fan shit for a licensed universe. So use them as you will and what makes sense to you, make up your own stuff, don't see a problem.

Trying to adhere to fan-created lore is gay as hell, anyway. Make up your own shit, like so:
>>97874463
What era would you put the Dictator and Urbanus in? Both are really good ship designs.

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>>97874471
I mean I like some of Henry's lore, but then he gets into the Colin Cantwell X-Wing and TIE designs fighting or the X-Wing navcom having the consciousness of the designer integrated or the GAT-18 and LAAG not being used by the Storm Corps because "Empire dumb" and I go "yeah, no, this sucks ass"
Generally though some of his lore can be fucking awesome and like 80-90% of his designs are top kino that are better than most Yidsney designs

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>>97874471
The best I can figure is they were some Moff's pet project, more than anything.
Truth be told I'd been under the impression that triangles had been around for a while before the Clone Wars, based on the existence of the Procurator. I can only find art for the Praetor II, though. If we assume the II wasn't particularly differentiated from the I, which seems generally more common than not in SW ship design, and knowing that the I was based on the Procurator, which was built over 200 years BBY, it stands to reason that triangles had been kicking around a while.
We do know that the Procurator inspired both the Praetor and the Mandator I, though. I'm not sure if we have any canon depictions of that, but the Empire at War mods usually make it look like a MonCal wideboy that's had its barnacles scraped off.
Also, I just noticed what looks like a form of giant turbine along the Dictator's dorsal ridge, and now I'm angry.
>>97874513
>EC Henry
He fucked up the shoe ship. He made a space slipper when that was clearly a sneaker. Pissed me the fuck off, if you're gonna make a meme ship, commit to the bit.

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>>97874544
Tbf the slipper ship is kinda cool if only because it's a space pickup truck with the backside being modular so you can put huge guns in it lol
But tbf it's already one of his more forgettable Rebel mystery designs, I far prefer the Mon Cal frigate or his Quarren Corvette

>>97874268
>It's clear that the TIE Interceptor and the A-wing/B-wing are superior to their predecessors. If
I agree with the Interceptor, and IIRC it's been stated that the Empire planned to eventually fully replace the standard TIE/Ln with the Interceptor, but the Rebel letter-wings all fulfill distinct roles rather than being direct replacements. The X-Wing is a general purpose muktirole space-superiority fighter with a good mix of speed, durability, and firepower, the A-Wing is extremely fast but lightly armed and armored, and the B-Wing is extremely heavily armed but much slower than the X-Wing, and is also mentioned to be very difficult to fly and maintain due to the weird gyroscopic cockpit setup (while the X-Wing is easy to fly and maintain due to sharing the control system and many internal components with Incom's popular line of civilian vehicles). The B-Wing arguably replaces the Y-Wing, though I view the latter as more of a fighter-bomber and the former as a heavy attack fighter.
The E-Wing from the EU was supposed to be a direct replacement of the X-Wing, but never caught on (due to X-Wing being too iconic out of universe to replace).

>>97874544
IMO the best explanation for most of the bigger triangles is that they're the result of some Remnant warlord wanting something to show the other warlords how big his dick was but not having access to a shipyard capable of building an Executor.

>>97872862
>>97872883
You realize Campbell was a massive pseud, as well as a schizophrenic fraud, right? His snake oil tier ideas greatly helped academia become brainrotted.

>>97874369
Playing EaW made me realize how in universe triangles are legit the best method of warship design. Rather than be forced into broadside formations, triangles give you a near 360 degree firing arc around you at nearly every angle. It also allows all weapons to be brought to bear at once.

The only problem is shooting things below you, but no Star Wars ship has ever addressed that and they all have that problem.

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>>97874765
Or, you know, give them to non-Imperial powers. Dictator looks Kuati, but not Imperial. Unlike Urbanus which is pure Empire.

>>97875213
>europe has a story about a dragon, asia has a story about a dragon
>is it because people think snakes are cool/scary and that a big flying snake would be even cooler/scarier?
>no it's because humans are all psychic and magically talking to each other so we telepathically told each other stories about dragons but you have to have a high iq to be aware of it
Jung, Campbell and co would've been funny if their ideas weren't so influential. Now they're just loathsome.

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>>97873804
Started my first solo Sci-fi game in star wars, playing as a sardonic communications specialist:


Location: Minor Jungle planet
Entities: You and 2 hired hands
Goal: Collect a rare and expensive wood for an eccentric instrument maker
Risk: Little or no wood is collected, Hired hands turn on you
> before setting down, you attempt a sonar scan to try and pinpoint the area where this wood might be. d:8 Fail, unfortunately no ping seems to be distinguishable through the scans, your crew mumbles about if you are all that you cracked up to be, you quip back that they are more than open to try since they are such experienced comms officers. You land near an area that seems like it would contain hardwood and hope for the best 0s1f
>You disembark, weapons in hands prepared for the unpreparable on no name worlds like this and The reprogrammed droidika with a large cranial compartment rolls up and starts to scout the area ahead d10 succ! soon enough xd-1 signals you by radio that it found a small patch of the tree type "Within acceptable acoustic parameters" It beeps out in standard binary. 1s1f
>Your last crew member a Bith(musician species) confirms that this is the prized wood, though maybe not the best he has seen. though given that you and him are the only ones with usable hands, you two do the dirty deed of cutting d8 which does not go swimmingly, much of the bark is chuffed and only a section of the trunk is usable. "Organics.... disappointing as ever" XD-1 bleats out to your further annoyance... In fact, you pick up some odd static in your headset, something that would usually indicate something specific in a droid... "Watch out!" you blurt and jump behind a nearby tree as XD-1 starts blasting, the Bith tries to follow suit d:7 but fail as is hit by a red hot blaster bolt for 3 dmg before getting into cover. 1s2f


Will do combat later.

>>97875309
DIctator could be cool as an Imperial era ship that isn't actually Imperial but belongs to an Imperial power. So for instance a planet like Anaxes has one for local defense which isn't totally Imperial but it belongs to a faction that is allied with them

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>>97873804
>TQ
Same as always. I welcome challengers, but I doubt anything will change my mind.

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>>97873804
Seppie CR-20 is kino, like the Republic variant. Henry needs to make an Imperial variant.

>>97875232
>The only problem is shooting things below you, but no Star Wars ship has ever addressed that and they all have that problem.
Just reorient your ship so that what's below you is now in front, duh

(Ignore that Star Wars also hardly ever acknowledges the three dimensional nature of space for any ship bigger than a YT-1300)

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>>97875650
sure I can't change your mind?

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I need some advice.
I'm currently running Age of Rebellion campaign. We have 15 session so far and I am thinking that there is a time to award my players with a new ship.

Currently they own a Lancer-class pursuit craft, but it was horrible damaged during last space battle.
What ship would you recommended, for 4 person party (3 players + commander NPC) and for a price up to 250,000 credits?

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>>97876530
Yeah. The Urbanus reminds me of a baby Bellator. I like the more stiletto shape of the hull on the Tyrant and Dictator. The Tyrant beats the Dictator, desu, because the giant missile ring both looks cool and promises epic Macross-style barrages against enemy fleets, which makes me feel good.

Honorable mention to the Secutor for being comically wide.

>>97874635
In universe, the E-wing was also a hangar queen as well as being expensive to both build and maintain. It was meant to fit into a new New Republic fleet doctrine that fell quickly out of favor and also included the K-wing

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>>97876813
The Secutor has a cooler shape imo because its fatter look reminds me of Acclamators even if unintentional
Also one of the few technically canon Fractal ships since it was in EGTW

>>97876813
Both Urbanus and Dictator/Tyrant are pre-Clone Wars and practically unusable and outdated :P

>>97876530
Urbanus? More like Ur Anus hehehhe

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I really wish we got to see more clone wars era ships in Imperial colors. Arc-170 in Empire colors look cool

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Rebel Cruiser
not Imperial Cruiser
not Imperial Frigate
Rebel Cruiser

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>>97877172
The Moff's quarters certainnly offer such delights, if you desire.

>>97878592
Its explicitly a medical frigate per G canon.

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>>97876776
Classic YT series for more cargo?
Skiprey for more gunboat action?

>>97878718
Wedge literally calls it the medical frigate in rotj, anon.

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>>97876776
You can go to the SWRPG wiki and check out the Starships > Freighters section.
Maybe the YG-4210 Light Freighter, but perhaps offer a handful and let them pick based on stats and desired playstyle.

Further, you should explore if your party is interested in a starfighter or two, which could include the Wayfarer Freighter or a different ship with silhouette 4+ using docking clamps. Pic rel.

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Some fanon I've been playing with. This probably crosses over considerably with actual lore, legends or no.

The Dark Side is a corruption of the force, it being used selfishly.
Force wielders feel the pull of its power, like someone with an addictive personality being offered heroin.
I like that idea, where many naive force sensitives might fall into it, even from the fear of their own power like a WH40K psyker.

I also like the way that Desann describes it, that the force is a weapon for the worthy.

By contrast, the Sith Order is knowingly and self-consciously evil, but knows how to manipulate Dark Siders.
The ultimate goal and primary secret of the Sith Order is that they believe themselves to have developed alchemy to transfer their essence to a new body, achieving immortality. That resolves the contradiction between their selfishness yet their willingness to train new apprentices.

They believe that the only way to do this is by training an apprentice who lives up to Sith ideals even more than themselves, which is why they push their apprentice to extremes.
Of course, in the Light Side George Lucas canon this is folly and untrue, but they believe it to be true.

Palpatine is looking to trade Vader out for Luke for precisely this reason. Not just because he's intact and young, but because Vader lost interest in Sith teachings only a few years in. Vader is Sith in name only.

>>97878907
>Vader lost interest in Sith teachings only a few years in.
Vader proposed Luke to team up and overthrow Palpatine.

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>>97878907
I've been thinking of low-level DS antagonists for the players to deal with, like a FS char who ran away from superstitious lynchings in his town, like Salem, living as a hermit in a Dark Side grove and drunk on the power of its holocron.

Another idea I've been thinking about, should the characters choose to do a DS campaign is to use this logic to structure an arc of the campaign like the film The Ninth Gate.
In the film, Corso is tasked to find the 3 copies of the The Nine Gates of the Kingdom of Shadows and determining through philosophy which of engravings are original. Balkan, who kills his Satanic rivals that are performing an inversion of Christian mass, is himself unworthy because he worships Satan.
At the end of the film Corso, who did this for money and self-interest, who serves no gods and no masters, unlocks the ninth gate.

I thought that could work really well with a 3 holocron setup, a wealthy Core Worlds businessman, disparate cults and murders, and the worship of an ancient Sith lord. The players would be rewarded experience and DS artifacts by being like Corso.

>what quest ideas do you have in this area? DS plotlines or DS nemesis chars

>>97878940
While true, he was his slave and wanted to be free

In ESB Anakin/Vader thinks the way out of that is to assume the Sith mantle
In ROTJ, he's developed the wisdom and love to realise that his way out of it is embracing the Light Side

>>97878907
cyberpunk 2077 basically stole this idea through the Soulkiller chip thing, where Saburo Arasaka was so monumentally egotistical that the only reason he dis-disinherited his son was so that he could wipe his brain and transfer his consciousness from his 150-year-old decrepit body into Yorinobu's

>>97878980
>While true, he was his slave
That's the whole point of Sith teaching.

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>>97875744
Got any more decent CR-20 images anon? The only one I seem to be able to find is pic related and it makes the ship look like shit, scale is off and the hood hangs down further than it probably should.

>>97874635
>never caught on
In-universe the pilots didn't like them at all. You not only had to use an R7 astromech with it (while updated X-wings could use R2 and R5 models - meaning you'd have to trade in your astromech, and starfighter pilots are often VERY attached to their astromech). Additionally, the laser cannons were three, not four, and had major issues with firepower degradation, AND it was more expensive than the X-wing.

Even if they fixed the lasers, short of giant overhauls, which they did do (too little too late), the R7 requirement was I think the breaking point, starfighter pilots like their buddy droids too much.

>>97879116
Besides, even in-universe, the Rebellion and its government successor dropping the X-Wing would be like the Empire dropping the ISD. There are things such as too iconic, important for propaganda even in-universe.

>>97878907
That's not even really fanon anon, the Dark Side *is* a corruption of the Force which is the Light - fuck all later "yin-yang" bullshit and any faggots who prefer it - and it's left ambiguous at the end of the Darth Bane novels whether or not he succeeds in using the Essence Transfer technique to overcome his apprentice. It's entirely possible that the entire post-Rusaan Sith lineage is just Darth Bane doing exactly what you're talking about, or at least a significant chunk of it.

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>>97879096
Anon, EC Henry remade it entirely. He has a whole video on it and the Y-4 and Angelos Karderinis (guy who does the renders for him) has tons of shots of it alongside other ships in his artstation

>>97879386
NTA but I dunno, i've seen tis argument posted again and again but what exwctly is the source?
is it a "george said" in the 80s, but TCW says differently?

nightsister magic is based on the dark side, and they're not evil, so where does that fit?

>>97874330
What does the giant ring do?

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has anyone got the image of that star wars version of the princess bride battle of wits? I think it was a greentext

>>97880335
and I think it was about the location of a rebel base?

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TIE Phantom remake my beloved

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>>97880322
>nice
The thing with Dathomirian's is that they aren't the big bad of the setting and so they can sort of course by with pretending that their Dark Side magic is different than good old fashioned Sith shit.
However, my reading is that the Sith are unacceptable because they are arguably the most successful force sect that has attempted to usurp the will of the force and replace it with their own.

>>97880322
>nightsister magic is based on the dark side
Nope.
They have their own aligment to the Force and special Force-hub for ressurection, like Eldar in 40k before the Fall.

>>97880322
It's the focus of the OT and PT. The Dark Side is an inherent corruption of the light that seeks control over submission. It causes general delusions, moral corruption and degradation
Nightsisters were meh originally but TCW made them a thousand times worse, they're some of the worst additions to the Star Wars universe. Also changing Dathomir to look like the corruption biome in Terraria

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He just wanted to help his people.

>>97875488
What systems are you using for solo oracles and game rules?

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>>97873804

The Force is an electromagnetic energy field produced genetically and with a high midichlorian blood count it can be manipulated like a human magnet. "Light" and "dark" are just metaphors for self-control and passion. The Force itself isn't moral, immoral, or even magical, it's just a literal energy field like gravity or atmospheric pressure.

>>97880679
*tips mandalorian helmet*
mi'vod

>>97878776
The Night Caller carried 2 TIEs in place of escape pods.

>>97880495
I liked the nightsisters and witches as an example of a primitive force sensitive society.
A matriarchal society fits, as presumably the teachings and cultural influence would cause male "witches" to be ignored, shunned or eliminated depending on when and where they occurred. This would lead to an inherent power imbalance backed by a combination of divine right and might of arms.
Introducing the home planet of rancors was whatever, making them smart felt off.

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>>97878776
So I analysed Core Books, Supplements and Wiki and limit my choice to 4 ships.

So Tier 2 party ships I choose are:
- "Simiyiar"-class light freighter
- HT-2200 medium freighter
- TL-18B light freighter
- "Alidade"-class survey ship

I will talk to my players before I handed them a ship.

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Hi

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>>97881805
Sit down, young lady.
We have plans to discuss.

>>97881979
>name is doctor america
>new zealand accent
make it make sense

>>97874295
Ehh it did seem to work as a Generalist in Droids, it definitely had a torpedo bay that was a key part of it.

>>97880327
Missiles, Fractal uses it for his Torpedo sphere and such.

>>97880372
Interesting to use the Scimitar cockpit, but I do like the original a lot more.

>>97874289
Vic II is perfectly sensible, more long term deployments, faster in realspace.

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>>97874418
Not a huge fan of his Marauder, I don't think it needs the open belly to hold a mere squad of ties. It should be tall enough to fit them.

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>>97882542
It's missing the 2 double turbos on the nose, and the ones often on the back and wing middles. Just has 2 big barrels on the shortened wingtips

I need help with this campaign plot set during the clone wars

>It is discovered that more than kamino was erased from jedi archives
>jedi master sent to investigate some of the missing systems
>he goes missing
>jedi council assembles reconnaisance team to find him
Clone PCs are assigned to the Jedi PCs as part of the recon team, non-clone PCs are recruited/bribed/given a legal pardon to join the recon team and act as local guides to the missing systems. Each of these roles can be replaced by NPCs if no PC chooses a class that fits them.
>PCs re-trace the jedi master's steps through the systems, solving some side quests, gaining clues as to where jedi master went next
>eventually find jedi master dead, but the datapad he had on him revealed the CIS were working on an anti-jedi weapon
>players investigate and find the CIS are working with mandalorians/death watch to create new basilisk war droids that were used against the jedi to great effect during the mandalorian wars
>they blow up the research station and then return

I need help filling in the details. What clues do the players find that lead them along this investigation? What side quests do I include? Is the basilisk plot compelling? It seems kind of anti-climactic as the ending to a whole campaign.
Story feels half-baked.

>>97882542
Im not usually a fan of FS compared to EChenry, but this is actually a fairly good rendition of an otherwise exceptionally mediocre EU extra

>>97873863
>hangar for normal sized star destroyers
gets me everytime

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>>97882801
It's got a lot of good points, I like the bridge and the side windows ad the airlocks, but I'm not a fan of the open rather than closed hangar. It should have a small drop port for 2 at a time in exchange for actually being able to service the fighters.

It's also missing a lot of the other gun positions from the Essential Guide and XVT.

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>>97882852
Or more like this.

>>97882542
>>97882554
>TIEs
>grey color
Does everything need to be fucking Imperial? Why the FUCK does a force focused on uniformity have so many ship variants?

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>>97873804
>TQ
I kinda like the fugly ass Pursuit Class Cruiser. Cheap fringe system gunboat.

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>>97882934
Saxtonite autism
Rebels can't have anything of their own because they're stinky green army men instead of BASED stormtrooper toys like I had when I was a kid 40 years ago

>>97882934
Because they have a lot of space to patrol and use what they have. It's also made by Sienar so this might actually be a Lianna defense fleet ship paired up with TIEs, since Marauders were mostly not used by the Republic/Empire (Not entirely unused 3 were in the Bakura defense fleet though most if not all were destroyed by the time the Rebels arrived in the novel.)

They could also be from Zsinj who heavily invested in, and partially annexed the Corporate Sector who had most of the Marauders.

>>97882962
That's a bit of an exaggeration Saxton knew that the ISD is not a descendant of Torpedo Boat Destroyers but a system-wiper.

Does anybody here play Star Wars RPG by Fantasy Flight?

>>97882962
ISDs are battleships. So were Venators, and Mon Calamari Cruisers. It tends to be 'Cruisers = Mon Calamari/New Republic, Destroyers = Empire/Old Republic'. They aren't equivalent of real world 'Destroyers'. Unless you mean modern day Destroyers, then I guess I can pass it, since an Arleigh Burke is only like a few meters shorter than a lot of WW2 Battleships.

>>97882542
>>97882554
The Romulans called, they want their Warbird back.

>>97883087
Unfortunately, not many do anymore. The books going out of print for a few years, combined with the lack of any supplement releases since 2019, have mostly killed it.

>>97883414
That's a shame. I really like the stystem

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>>97875488
Ok finished my combat. It was a pretty fun encounter.

NGL if I was a machine, I would be pretty pissed off at these incompetent organics too.

>>97880322
As described in the OT, I think the Dark Side sounds way more like a term this mortal religion came up with to describe the potentially disastrous risks of teaching people how to use this magical power. Originally people may have been warned of "the dark side of learning the Force", eventually over those thousand generations part of the phrase was dropped, "Dark Side" became a proper noun, and it came to be that Jedi believe that there's literally an evil, twisted portion of the Force that wants to tempt them when in reality, no, you're just a stupid mortal wielding power you have no business using.

Jedi and Sith are monkeys hitting a nuclear bomb because they like the sound it makes. Jedi just think you should only tap using your fist while the Sith are swinging clubs at it.

I just think it's more fun to analyze these group from the perspective of them being belief systems that developed as interpretations of the rules of their universe, instead of as authorities who know how it all works.

Ah yes, Adrian Brody playing US Captain.... Soljacspgn. Return the slop from whence it came.

>>97883998
Not that anon but I like this version a lot.
>inb4 muh grey jedi
Honestly I don't think those really exist. I think what makes you a light side or dark side user is *how* you use the power. Using force lightning to power a water purifier so some village on the outer rim can have clean drinking water for the day sounds like a pretty good guy thing to do.

>>97882962
My big issue with the SD forums is that apart from being megaautists, they're fucking plebbit tier atheists and arrogant pricks.

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>>97882934
I think the problem isn't everything being imperial, it's everything being Kuati. Even Fractal's NR ships look mega Kuati and lack that Mon Cala design connection. I'm fine with the Marauder being used by local forces allied with the Empire but it should look different. Sienar ships should not look Kuati
Picrel is his Raider, look what he did with the TIE wings.

>>97884443
Fuuuuuck you're right

>>97884443
>>97884483
I mean the Bridge does seem to come from the Vindicator/Interdictor line. But I liked the sunken in Vengeance style bridge on the base Raider much better.

>>97884378
Force Lighting is kind of a bad example because it's supposed to be you channeling your hatred through the Force into a blast of energy to fry the target with. It's quite literally hating someone to death, which isn't really conducive to the Jedi philosophy which preaches emotional detachment. And you probably couldn't use it to power equipment since it likely wouldn't be finely controlled enough to not just fry its circuits or turn it into slag.
Though barring a few specific techniques that are heavily tied to your emotional state, like Force Lightning, I do agree that it should be about how you use your powers. Like "Force Choke" and "Force Throw a Rock" shouldn't be separate powers, but different examples of using telekinesis. The Jedi think choking people is bad so they generally don't do it, but it shouldn't be that you need to study Sith holocrons or have some arbitrary amount of "Dark Side Points" to figure out that you could uses your existing telekinetic Force powers to crush some sucker's windpipe.

>>97882852
>>97882857
I'd like to think that there are al kinds of hangar modifications.

An 'open drop' hangar for TIEs, several different closed hangar types for bigger fighters or small shuttles, all depending on who ordered she ship when it was buillt, and who modified the hangar.

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>>97880572
>Solo oracle
A basic one where I propose something I would think is likely given the situation then roll a d6. 1-3 it happens, 4-5 I select something different that is slightly unlikely, 6 something very unlikely. Works for me. For example, the droidika Hired hand came from a roll of a 6.
>Game rules
Everywhen, a more genre neutral version of Barbarians of Lemuria. basic mechanic is roll 2d6 + attribute + career and try to beat 9. It kind of functions like a paired down version of Traveler but you select a few careers instead of having a long list of particular skills.

>>97884974
I prefer Kyle Katarn's interpretation.
>These powers are neither good nor evil, it's how you use them.
And a mix of
>>97883998
>>97880679
is my interpretation. The force is literally just energy, it has no moral compass, interpretations of it are just put on it mainly by Jedi and Sith who have no actual idea what they're talking about and are just monkeying around with shit they don't understand for their own gain. Neither is actually good or evil, they just claim they're right and everyone else is wrong.

But that's just imo. I despise blending magic and scifi. Not a basedddit atheist or something, but I think supernatural stuff has no place in scifi, so "He is pulling electricity from the air and focusing it like a lightning bolt" is preferrable to "He is conjuring his hate into elemental sorcery."

I also think arguing any kind of "canon" about the force is a waste of time and dumb. Pick your version or make one up and roll with it. The guy who made it has given 15 different answers on the subject.

>>97886616
IDK man, Star wars has veered more on the mythical side rather than the hard sci-fi materialist side.

I feel like divorcing the force from morality kind of flattens it and takes away from its thematic elements. For one thing, I always liked how in the OT the "Ultimate" sith technique we see is rawly powerful in the form of lightning, while the "Ultimate" Jedi technique is indirect, but in some ways more impactful in the form of force ghosts. It just being energy instead of embodiment of philosophies kind of makes it loose a lot of its appeal. If I wanted harder sci-fi thats still a bit pulp, I would do traveler instead.

>>97886616
>>These powers are neither good nor evil, it's how you use them.
Not the case of Lightings which are supposed to be conjured hate.

>>97886709
The themes and philosophy behind it are complete nonsense and can pound sand. I'm in it for the setting and ships and warfare. For me that's how all fiction should be. Give me a good setting and skip the midwit essays about the author's ideology.

>>97886616
>The force is literally just energy, it has no moral compass, interpretations of it are just put on it mainly by Jedi and Sith
you realize Kreia was lying to you, right?

>>97886928
She wasn't lying about it.

>>97886934
She was, she was a sith all along, as she later reveals to you. She was manipulating you and pretending she believed any of the things she said when in reality she was Darth Traya trying to gain ultimate power like every other sith ever does, same way Darth Sidious tricked Anakin

>>97886940
>She was, she was a sith all along, as she later reveals to you.
So what?
Sith aren't tricksters who lie for the sake of the process.

>>97886954
>Ok, so the Devil is a habitual liar who absolutely does not have my best interests in mind, but surely he's telling the truth about THIS thing!
this is the degree of intelligence of reductionist materialists who are so far up their own fedora-tipping asses that they can't tolerate FICTIONAL religious supernaturalism in a FICTIONAL setting

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>>97886954
>Sith aren't tricksters

>>97886966
NTA but where does Jar Jar stepping in a pile of shit and announcing it to the audience fit in with the deep magical supernaturalism of the setting?

>>97887099
I'll take your irrelevant deflecting non-sequitur as a concession, thank you.

>>97886966
Devil =/= tricksters.

>>97886967
Pic unrelated? Because he is actually more like devil

>>97886940
>>97886966
I think anon's point was that they aren't tricksters just for the sake of it. Palpatine had obvious and believable motivations for deception, he wasn't lying for shits and giggles. Kreia meanwhile has no clear motive or benefit from lying to you, so to dismiss her entire character as being lies is harder to justify. Say she's lying, say she's right, like make it your interpretation either way, sure, but it's not The Only Truth or something.

>>97887240
>the force is evil we need to destroy it and that's why every choice you make is bad
>jk I'm actually using the force to become god, die you cuckold
it's not exactly a Professor Layton mystery

>>97887254
>and that's why every choice you make is bad
retard
>>jk I'm actually using the force to become god,
retard 2.0

>>97886881
IDK man, if you are into the mechanical stuff of star wars thats fine, but the source material presents the force in particular as more mystical in nature. even with prequal midiclorian shenanigans its all still wrapped up in prophecy and so on. Its not like 40k or Traveller or Mass effect where the psychic power are used in a industrialized capacity in some manner.

Even still, if I was using it in a strictly warfare scenario, I would treat it like the non concrete nature of morale and how it can be effected by non tangibles like religion belief and so on. Which I think Dune does well. It actually explains why the Hokie religion aspect is important since it is a memetic strength to have strong convictions. Would be cool to see some aspects of star wars go down that slightly cynical, but still legitimizing take on mysticism and religion. Perennial truths and philosophical constants having their own soft power even to the clinically minded.

is makashi a form exclusively used by homosexuals?

>>97888296
maybe as a practitioner you could tell us

>>97888354
nope, sorry, djem so exclusively, dooku seems extremely gay-coded

>>97888361
in EU, he had an illegitimate son, so no. I don't think any of Dooku's jedi lineage are homos as even Obi Wan was nailing Satine.

>>97888379
Obi-Wan was nailing multiple honies, which is why he rejects any involvement with Darth Gayranous.

>>97888296
It's fencing which is gay as fuck, so yeah, basically.

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>>97888379
>in EU, he had an illegitimate son, so no
Dooku is 1000% zesty

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>>97888625
This. If pic related doesn't scream gay I don't know what will.

>>97888379
They definetly have artificial m-preg technology in star wars.
>>97888296
its only practitioned by the based and redpilled superior combat style user. I wouldn't expect you to get it, it requires a relitively high IQ to understand.

>>97889293
>They definetly have artificial m-preg technology in star wars.
you mean a sex change?

>>97885416
Drop hangar might be good if you're usually relatively close to base and also need fast deployment.

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>>97888656
>curved for her pleasure

>>97889415
they are too based and red pilled to call it that.

>>97888296
'Elegant' is synonym for 'Homosexual,' so yes.

>>97887157
>Devil =/= tricksters.
The Devil's most notable myth, second perhaps only to his fall, is how he tricks Eve into disobeying God...

Hey, what do we know about the Star Wars Galaxy’s in-Universe shows, Films, plays, and Literature? Like I know holodramas are a thing similar to a movie/theatrical play as we’d understand it, and a holoseries is akin to our tv series/youtube series. And if the Holiday special made anything canon it’s the fact that the galaxy’s holonet is used, to some degree, to broadcast some kind of mass media across the galaxy.

But just wondering how many, if any, specific titles are known through the EU, main-canon, and nu-canon?

Jesus christ nobody told me it would be such a mess to get a hold of X-wing stuff these days

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>>97873804
>As your party are about to exit the recently destroyed (by your hands) Imperial research center in some outer rim backwater this guy blocks your exit. He activate his lightsaber.

How does your current/last party fair?

P.S:Saying he isn't canon doesn't work because you aren't canon either.

>>97890879
Disney/Asmodee threw it all in the trash. They had one of the coolest tabletop games with loads of players, a highly active and organized tournament scene with games being broadcast and commented on streams. . . . and just decided to throw it away.

They literally said
>Fuck you fans, we don't want you

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>Fanta was a male Poldt, a slender and uniquely sculpted Species.[1]He possessed a sour attitude, at least towards Jar Jar Binks During the Boonta Eve Classic.

What would Coke think?

>>97890576
>is how he tricks Eve into disobeying God...
To achieve certain purpose, which was part of his rebellion against the Lord.
Meanwhile Hermes stole Apollo's cattle just for lulz

>>97890879
What are you looking for, exactly?

>>97891171
Trickster isn't solely a character that causes chaos for the lulz get your shit together anon.

>>97891209
I only have a 1e set of tokens and scattered collection of 1e ships I've picked up over the years, but I want to play the current edition.

It's not too bad though, I have a resin and FDM printer

>>97891222
>Trickster isn't solely a character that causes chaos for the lulz
Never said it or claimed.
Also, Devil never lied to Eve about Forbidden fruit.

>>97891234
I would recommend you start by looking for a conversion kit. Rebel/scum/Empire are the best ones (since you will get the medium bases), but FO/Resistance are also fine. From what I saw, it is very much possible to buy CKs.

The trick with a conversion kit is that you'll most likely get way more bases and dials than you need. And with spare dials, you can use Infinitearenas to print out missing dials and glue them to the bits. This way, you can craft anything you're missing.

>current edition
Well, there are like three different ways of playing with the 2.0 bits

>AMG
The official version when AMG abandoned the game. It is fine-ish if you have Empire/FO/Rebels/Resistance/Republic, but Scum and Separatists are horribly weak. Not all ships are playable in this version.
>Legacy
The crusty 2.0 grognards. It has better listbuilding, but doesn't have some of the actual improvements that AMG added like ROAD or more lethal obstacles.
>XWA
X-wing alliance is a fan project to develop and iterate on AMG's version of the game. They recently shifted to a 50 point listbuilding system. Imo, this is the best version of X-wing, with arguably the best balance.

>>97891316
Oh god it's even worse than I thought! Of course the conversion kits all seem to be scalped to hell now so pure 3D printing seems the way to go, then I have to figure out what version to play.

At least with printing the ships it's possible to scale everything correctly

>>97890621
Pretty sure that list is a very, very short one.

Basically I think the holiday special is the only glimpse we see of in-universe programming

>>97890621
There's a mention of a holofilm based on the battle of Yavin in some book. About the only detail known is that they used a decommissioned Victory-class SD as a stand-in for an ISD in some scenes.

>>97890621
Pretty sure “the Force Awakens”, “The Last Jedi” and “Rise of Skywalker” were a trilogy of Holofilms by rodian playwright M’nyer Shamallama.

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What're some interesting ways to interpret the Witches of Dathomir which aren't, frankly, aggressively gay and tonally jarring with the setting?

My party just picked up a handful of Force Sensitive prisoners from one of Dookus private sex dungeons in the immediate aftermath of the Clone Wars ending and they make sense as a potential source of such prisoners.
But man, I can't think of any way to reimagine or reinterpret them that doesn't feel like dropped the Hex Girls from Scooby Doo into Star Wars.
Who the fuck looked at this setting and went "Know what this needs? Wiccans."

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>>97891249
The literal definition of the word trick is "an act or procedure intended to achieve an end by deceptive or fraudulent means." The Devil tricked Eve and Palpatine tricked Anakin. You seem to be under the impression that because a character tricks somebody it means they have to fall into the "trickster" archetype. They don't.

>>97891794
>The literal definition of the word trick
Alright, and how exactly it's related to me mentionning trickster as archetype, distinct from Satan/Devil?
>You seem to be under the impression that because a character tricks somebody it means they have to fall into the "trickster" archetype.
Stop projecting.
My point is that even if Kreia is a sith (which she is) it doesn't make automatically all what she says a lie because:
1) Lying for the sake of process, with no end goal is a trickster niche, not devil (archetype closer to sith). And Kreia doesn't have any end-goals durring last dialogue with her in game.
2) Devil actuall rarely lies, manipulation and half-truth are much more common tools (just like sith in Star Wars).

>>97891772
>Who the fuck looked at this setting and went "Know what this needs? Wiccans."
Mormons
the author of The Courtship of Princess Leia was a mormon

>>97891249
>Devil never lied to Eve about Forbidden fruit
Factually false. God says "eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and you die." Satan straight up says "you will not surely die," Adam and Eve eat it, and guess what? They die. It's a classic lie too, because it plays on perception. Sure, they didn't drop dead on the spot, but their fates were sealed the moment they ate the fruit.

>>97891823
The devil exclusively lies
He is a liar by definition. He CANNOT tell the truth, to do so is antithetical to his nature, because Truth (alongside all other positive creations in the abstract, such as justice, knowledge, reason, kindness, etc.) is a property of God, and the Devil has removed himself an infinitely remote distance from God.
He is so oppositional to truth that he lies to himself, codifying the ultimate deception: that it is better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.
All the Devil has is privation, corruption, and decay; that is the archetype of the Sith, and it is exactly how they behave on-screen.

>>97891661
God, if only…

>>97891843
It's always the fucking Mormons isn't it?

>>97891845
>Satan straight up says "you will not surely die,"
Well and technically he isn't lying (emphasize on :"technically"), since Eve could've pick fruits from both trees and eat them at the same time.

>>97891852
>He is a liar by definition.
He is a deciever.
Loki or Hermes on the other hand are liars.
>He CANNOT tell the truth
This is why he uses half-truth to tempt and seduce man

>>97891772
> Who the fuck looked at this setting and went "Know what this needs? Wiccans."

I mean, witches are as much a staple of fantasy as knights, wizards, and dragons, and the Star Wars galaxy, at its core, is a fantasy land in space.

So including witches isn’t exactly out of line.

But that’s probably the way to go with them that’ll make them feel appropriate, drop any Wiccan motifs and just make them out-and-out evil witches.

>>97891772
kind of a loaded question there friend.
should probably explain what exactly you find so “aggressively gay and jarring” about them first before asking for suggestions on fixing them.

>>97891896
>at its core
Especially Prequels

>>97891904
OT very much as well, I don’t know how you missed it.

>>97891896
Star Wars is a particular take on fantaasy. In the same way there aren't any dragons in the stories themselves, witches kinda go against what the Force is.
I personally wouldn't care much if they really were very primitive Force users who barely did shit compared to what the Jedi and Sith with millenia of knowledge can do. Instead they're OP feminist characters that exist to make Filoni wet his panties

>>97891915
>OT very much as well
Just in case it was an irony about Prequels.

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>>97891918
I like that they exist to job to a better class of villains, retards who pretend they're less evil than the Sith deserve rope

>>97891918
Personally if I were going to use them I'd make them a kind of Sith Alchemy/Sorcery adjacent group.

Think about it, what can alchemy do?
Manipulate life force, create imbued items, control beasts and raise the dead.
It's slow, careful, controlled, requires a fair amount of ritual, ect.
But even that risks them getting the chance to be bullshit wizards to the Jedi/Sith Sorcerers of the setting.

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>>97873804
>Here are several concepts and renders for my own personal take on the planet Kuat, which I've reimagined into a sterile rocky world with towering white cities, built so high that they attach to Kuat's iconic shipyard ring. I imagine Kuat as ruled by an eccentric aristocracy whose lifespans have been dramatically shortened through the genetically corrosive effects of living for a thousand generations on an industrial world. Subtle technological interventions can add a few more years to their lifespans, but these devices often give these rulers a sickly appearance. The traditional heritage of this reimagined Kuat is essentially the source of Imperial aesthetics and military culture, meaning that even civilian ships and clothing on Kuat resemble the military designs of the Empire. The Kuati people consequently consider themselves the "one true" Imperial culture, and they see the Empire's attempts to adopt and emulate Kuati culture as pale imitations of their proud planetary heritage. A common sentiment on Kuat is "the Empire needs Kuat. Kuat does not need the Empire."
So what do we think about Henry's take on Kuat, anons? I don't really like the idea of them having short lifespans or being the origin of Imperial attire or hating the Empire, but I do like how Henry's designs look. I think they're definitive even if his headcanon is kinda eh

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>>97891943
The issue is that if the Sith are unable to do that, how the fuck did the Dathomirians who have been on Dathomir EXCLUSIVELY for 600 years learn to do that? Going by EU lore, the Dathomirians are descended from a random Jedi Knight called Allya who most certainly did not know how to do that. Sith like Palpatine who are the epitome of Sith knowledge and have travelled across the stars and spend decades learning from both Sith and Jedi texts alike about the Force and should have the most abilities somehow are unable to do sorcery like a random bunch of witches who have never exited Dathomir and descend from a knight with less knowledge than modern knights like Anakin can?
I'm going by EU lore because Yidsney lore is literally them coming from another galaxy where magic is real and actually being stronger than the Jedi and Sith. Filoni's final, gigantic fuck you to ALL of Star Wars by making magic real and stronger than the Force. What a collossal dickhead faggot
>picrel is le heckin' stronk women possessing fucking COUNT DOOKU, the most prodigious Jedi in the Order after Mace and Yoda and one of the strongest Force users in the galaxy, from under Sidious' fucking nose because that's just how stronk and independent they are

>>97891943
> But even that risks them getting the chance to be bullshit wizards to the Jedi/Sith Sorcerers of the setting.
And?
Galaxy’s a big place. Sith & Jedi shouldn’t have a monopoly on dark side & light side force traditions. It actually makes the galaxy seem like a bigger, and more mysterious place if there are multiple force traditions that, from the outside, look just as valid as the “established” ones.

But even then the idea of witches dealing more with force alchemy and ritual sorcery fits, right alongside having more overt and direct uses of the force leaning into illusions and mind-fuckery. It speaks to a theme with witches where they generally try to control and dominate others, but with a more passive-aggressive approach. They don’t throw fireballs into your face, they slink off to some hidden lair far away and weave hexes and curses at you from a place where you can’t be certain who’s tormenting you, let alone where they are. All while putting on some meek, helpless act if anyone big and tough happens along.

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reminder that talzin isn't naturally force sensitive

>>97892003
>talzin isn't naturally force sensitive
>but she's able to do far stronger moves than fucking Vader and Sidious are ever able to do and is on the verge of defeating numerous Sith various times
Yeah Filfaggot is a fucking retard. Realistically the Nightsisters would fucking lose to Grievous alone, let alone actual monsters like Dooku, Vader or Sidious who are capable of taking down whole armies if push comes to shove.

>>97891918
> In the same way there aren't any dragons in the stories themselves,
> Star Wars doesn’t have dragons
Then what the fuck is a Krayt Dragon?

Answer: It’s an alien dragon!

>>97892022
>in the stories themselves
Anon, when does a Krayt Dragon EVER appear in main Star Wars stories beyond being a background skeleton in ANH?

>>97892015
lucas was behind that retard

>>97892049
Okay, so? Filoni's the one continuing to give them importance in his new Acksoka show so idgaf if Lucas was a feminist sell out at this point in time

>>97890621
Wasn’t there mention of a “tri-nebula news” or something like that, some holo-news network with blatant pro-imperial leanings?

>>97892015
But anon, you forget one thing:
The power of Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany

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>>97892081