Secret Meeting Edition>Previous>>97862211>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>5e Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>VtM to VtR fan translation guidehttps://mega.nz/folder/LhYTUD7b#cRDFTcMXSB_2TjD7eJoE5Q>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionWhat sorts of atypical (not typical for your splat) shadowy groups have you consorted with?
>>97884972>What sorts of atypical (not typical for your splat) shadowy groups have you consorted with?since we are set in NYC, and I made the story set in the Revised time period, they did incidentally meet Jeffy E.
>Ventrue who can only feed on little girlsCan you guess his Dark Secret flaw?
>>97885431He's a tax evader?
>>97885431He must obey every order given to him by the vampires from the certain middle eastern country?
Which one was the VtR book that had a guide how to do Vigil-style tiers?
>>97885593>Which one was the VtR book that had a guide how to do Vigil-style tiers?The Danse Macabre.
>>97885431The Prince still holds him in a financial stranglehold after he had to liquidate his previous Domain in a certain controversial island.
>>97885618Thanks.
>>97885431He's a cleverly disguised changeling in a concerningly deep larp?
>>97885713What's his endgame?
>>97884845In gameplay terms, whenever someone with some sort of Primium defence becomes the target of a magical effect, they can roll a number of dice depending on the potency of the Primium with a difficulty of 7. Every success subjects a success from the magical effect.Normally, when you want to counter a spell like this, you need to spend a full action when targeted with a spell and the number of dice that you roll is equal to your Arete. But as the countermagic of Primium is innate, it doesn't require an action.The most common form of Primium is Primium Countermeasures, a cybernetic implant that can be bought with the Enhancement background, four background points for two dice, six points for three dice, eight points for four dice and ten points for five dice. These countermeasures are typically only found inside Technocratic cyborgs, particularly HIT Marks. Anyone else needs a very good reason to end up with Primium implants.
>>97885731He accidentaly killed that vampire in a freak car accident and took its place to not get into trouble.
>>97885743Based deep larp Pooka. He's living the lie, so he made it the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EzK5HdfbhR4
>>97885734Would it be possible to have primium coating for devices or gadgets?
>>97886033It would be MAD expensive and require the PC to have some serious connections with technocrats or a very well off mage because that kind of shit doesnt come cheap.
>>97886042That or you've run afoul of HIT Marks before and looted some trophies.
>>97886046also fair but even still you'd need to have somebody who'd be able to work with the metal and primium i feel at least needs five dots in crafts to even think about working with.
>>97886033If you can afford it, sure. You're not a poorfag, right?
>>97886063Outside of Iteration-X and the Sons of Ether, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who's even heard of the stuff much less knows how to make it despite it being used since the Dark Ages.
>>97886075yeah, its very much a "wow that would be really nice to have" but require an entire story to find somebody capable of forging primium blade let alone any technomancy shit. We're talking hermetic blacksmiths dwelling in the umbra or a son of ether living on a private laboratory that's a fucking bond villain set up
Finally ready to resume Hunter tonight after a big ol' break from scheduling conflicts. The PCs are going to be approached by a capitalist Carthian who is interested in paying them to do what they're currently doing. That one of the PCs is currently suffering from a Vitae withdrawal will make the negotiations interesting for sure.
>>97885618Do such books exist for the other lines?
>>97885821That's because American forests know that you don't belong there, colonizer.
If the fifth edition of Wraith: the Oblivion ever gets made, it'll cause all three Wraith fans to kill themselves. Probably because it'll ironically be less depressing and agency-curbing than the original.
Associating cancer with the Wyrm when it's really more associated with the Wyld is like associating rapid decay with death magic when it comes to necromancy.
>>978867125th edition has already established that they don't want you to go off into other realms or even outside your own neighbourhood, ever. The entirety of the game will be stuck haunting your grave or one location while you are unable to effect anything because that would be trying to play super heros. Which 5th has established is a fundamental roleplaying sin and must be stamped out whenever it rears its head. It will sell nine copies tripling the number of Wraith players. You still get someone at the table to tell you what a piece of shit you are though so it's not all bad.
>>97886755Wyrm covers a lot of shit that can kill you, cancer is also suicidal in a strange way.
>>97886712Realistic. What do you even DO on a Wraith game? Besides getting yelled at.
>>97886795You make your friends as uncomfortable as possible until someone goes too far, the game falls apart, and no one ever mentions Wraith again.
>>97886795>What do you even DO on a Wraith game?In most cases it's something about trying not to die, again, or deal with your unfinished business and die properly.
>>97886764Wraith 5 could have some slight potential in making it more playable by streamlining the shadow system so that everyone is playing a single character instead of two, on top of some other small gameplay changes they can make. But I can totally buy it that>stuck to the local zone you died at>no grand DnD shit>Specters are more victims than monsters>Government is actually GOOD! :)It would no doubt be a lot less fun even if it's more playable>>97886795>ImageI wish I could bleach my eyes and brain.Anyway what do you do in Wraith? >Complain about taxes and the government and society,>present increasingly tragic circumstances to your friends and try to unnerve them with the type of tragic shit you see in the more intense ghost movies like some girl getting gangraped and murdered, have them fight abominations who have never seen the light of god once in their pitiful existence>make the Taxman come by and make your players angry>have them do the row, row, fight the powah type of stuff,>do cool ghost shit and violate ghost lawsWraith is at once both an incredibly high power game about fighting the inept government, it's institutions, and slavery, and a game about shitting yourself because some woman 70 years ago killed and ate her husbands corpse after a miscarriage in a fit of post-partum depression and got insane regrets over it, causing her to become some man-eater esque pregnant monster haunting the local area and murdering other Wraiths. Yet this curious event also calls back to the time your own wife had a miscarriage, and the edgy voice in your head says you should feed her yourself because it's the manly thing to do after you failed to comfort your wife before she took her own life or something.
>>97886033Sure, though Primium is a magically purified alloy of gold and silver and it's not produced in any significant quantities outside of the Technocracy, so learning of it and acquiring it or making it would probably be a story in its own right. There's also the question of whether a Device made of Primium would instil innate countermagic in its bearer, as the only example of Primium defences are all internal implants. You'd have to ask your ST.However, Primium claws are a thing and though they aren't given hard stats, it's suggested that they deal aggravated damage to everything that isn't imbued with a Prime 2 Effect to protect it from Prime-based aggravated damage. Maybe they are able to deal damage to spirits too, since that's another use of Prime 2. You'd need to ask your ST for clarification if you want to try and get your hands on a Primium weapon.
>>97886033NWO's spectre limousine can be furnishes with Primium along with the ability to deploy a Primium shield to cover the windshield or rear window. Syndicate book had something them lining their conference rooms with a film of Primium to prevent magical spying.
>>97886912>I wish I could bleach my eyes and brain
What happens if a vampire drinks another's blood before killing them as opposed to draining their blood into e.g. a bucket and killing them before drinking the blood?
>>97887907You mean for like, logistics of if they'd be blood bound?If you drink another vampire's blood you'd get a stage 1 blood bond, which is weak but not useless. Butterflies in your stomach, that kind of thing. If you do still muster the will to kill them afterwards, the blood bond would be broken immediately, since "please kill my regnant, I can't muster the will to do it myself" is a common enough plot hook. If you kill them then drink their stored blood, well I'd say logically you can't be bound to a final death'd vampire, but there's the question of would the vitae retain any essence that the vampire could gain sustenance from. Depending on the edition, both mortal blood and vitae loses some measure of potency once out of the body. As for mortals, corpse blood can provide limited sustenance on par with animals. With vampires though, I could see an ST making the argument that a vampire's blood would lose all kick the minute the vampire meets final death, expiring just as their physical form reverts to their true age. Ultimately, it'd come down to ST interpretation unless someone else knows of an explicit ruling on this.
>>97887850Getting buried in fetish gear is nightmare fuel man
>>97884972>TQOur Changelings (Lost) have somehow gotten very buddy buddy with the Arcanum (ported from oWoD).
>>97888071If it was good enough for the Pharaohs, it’s good enough for me.
>>97888071>Getting buried in fetish gear is nightmare fuel manYeah.
>>97886795>What do you even DO on a Wraith game?That depends.Heretics? Try to stop souls from getting turned into dildos and drugs while trying to convert people and find the "real" afterlife.Hierarchy? Cope about how this shitty system is, by all logical measures, the best hope you have of continued existence.Renegades? Try not to get caught by Oblivion or Hierarchy (some Heretics might not like you either), while also not pissing off other gangs of Renegades.
>>97888071>Judging from the findings at this fascinating pre-Gehenna archaeological dig site, it seems like human men of that age wore gags and some sort of genital jewellery as a symbol of submission to their female spouses. This serves as even more evidence that humans of that age lived in an undeniably matriarchal society.
>>97887907Are you trying to circumvent diablerie?If you drain someone else before giving them final death then you will be left with a stock of vitae dense blood which might be useful for a human element to use it as discipline fuel but otherwise should not be that different from normal blood for another vamp. Either way keeping someone else as a bloodbag doesn't end that well in most cases.
HedgefagI NEED HEDGEFAG
>>97889581Have you tried looking for him in the /trash/?
Give me funny ideas for comboing Life, Matter, and/or Prime to make an unkillable bastard that will make the ST pull their hair out when he walks directly into the line of fire and comes out without so much as a scratch
>>97889683Straight out of character creation, or spheres and Arete over 3?
>>97889715In general. But I suppose both? I’m going to be Life maxxxing, haven’t decided, so theory is as useful as practical as the game won’t start for a few weeks.
>>97888539>>97888884>>97888960Slight difference between religious artifacts and corpse preparation using available technology versus>making your husband wear leather bondage equipment, a chastity cage, and a ball gag during your funeralNever you mind that in the funeral people will be looking at the body likely. Then again, maybe a good amount of attendees will just be from the culture instead of normal real life friends and family.
>one of the biggest threats to the Technocracy are getting choked out by their own Consensus >another is Threat Null made up of their own old pro-Pogrom leadershipThese feel like they both symbolically lead into massively changing the Technocracy away from their no magic or wonder approach and their purge everything except them policy since you can't really tell a story about dealing with the consequences of your sins coming back you while still continuing that stuff. Do Techocracy-centric chronicles actually go that way in practice?
>>97889996At the very least, if that were me, I'd instantly turn into a specter
>>97889996These sorts of requests are likely made or agreed on by the deceased in advance.
>>97890010i never really head of a threat null chronicle like ever because only the VE even know about them plus they been introduced in the same event that made getting to them in the umbra harder than it should be. m20 standard world building features the ascension war having gone out with a wimper and the traditions and union being in a cease fire, but most technocrat chronicles i seen had the player gone all in on how awesome the union is which ended with them pretty much playing delta green on easy mode
>>97889683don't underestimate forces! the sphere also includes kinetic energy
>>97886764>It will sell nine copies tripling the number of Wraith players.Ugh, I hate when my hobbies become mainstream.
>>97886912>some woman 70 years ago killed and ate her husbands corpse after a miscarriage in a fit of post-partum depression and got insane regrets over itThat was a good movie.
A vampire with Potence/Vigor/etc should be able to headshot people with thrown loose change and write his name on concrete with his fingertips without needing to be an elder first.
>>97890093Somehow this is sadder to me, but if that's the case I suppose I can just judge silently.>>97890219I was not thinking of a particular movie when I wrote that down but thank you for posting that, I'll check it out
>>97890225I like that amalgam where you can punch through steel with enough Fortitude. I think it should work similarly for "strong" acts done without momentum, so it's more about your flesh not giving way.
>>97890247Honestly, the very first dot should already give you enough power you're demonstrably a cut above the average human rather than a lame-ass +1 to a given roll.
>>97890256I guess consider your character's physique it would look pretty superhuman though
>>97890264I'm not asking for terribly much. Bending pennies with your fingers, carrying a carburetor block one-handed, smashing a thick wooden door with your fists, crushing bricks in your hand, bending steel bars, jumping higher than an Olympic athlete, the list goes on. Those are things you should be able to do with one or two dots in Potence, it should feel like a supernatural empowerment rather than an extra Strength dot but more expensive. And I'm not even getting into Fortitude and Celerity.
>>97890276These are things your character can do anyway though? Admittedly at your ST's discretion and likely with accompanied rolls. I'd probably allow you to roll Potence + Strength for these
>>97890225>>97890276Well in VtM a lot of stuff is locked behind gen 7 or better, Potence itself is always gonna be meh by virtue of being a strength buff in a system where dex is leagues better, and +strength buffs are only nice if you can get them for dirt cheap. I will defend Vigor with my life though. It even has a base power that lets you throw things with supernatural force, not to mention leaping far higher than a mortal ever could. Just passively, it's extra strength but cheaper if in-clan and same price if out. Actively, you get flat bonus damage. You can't go around turning loose change into something analogous to a pistol round, but that's where Devotions come in. I could easily see that as a relatively inexpensive Vigor + Celerity combo. Vigor, in my experience, absolutely delivers on the fantasy of being this fuckstrong vampire. There's also V5 which just tries to do Devotions but executes it worse. Like most of the things V5 took from Requiem.
Hear me out. Near(ish) future Vampire Space Pirates. They hang out in and around the kuiper belt, so far away from the sun it hardly affects them, periodically raiding ships and bases near the edge of the solar system, endangering the masquerade.
Someone should make a World of Darkness heartbreaker that gives the players the superhero power fantasy that the fans so clearly desire.
>>97890325How do they stay stocked on blood? How do they avoid hunters?
>>97890330>How do they stay stocked on blood? How do they avoid hunters?As for blood, the aforementioned raids. They're not just slaughtering everyone on the ships, no, they try not to waste a drop during the raid itself. Victims will be slowly bled while being hooked up to some sort of tube feeding them nutrient paste to squeeze a few more feedings out of them before they totally expire. Also, depending on if distance from the sun makes daysleep less frequent, that could stretch their blood significantly. Avoiding hunters? Well that's why they're in the kuiper belt. A massive, dark stretch of space with nearly infinite hiding places. Vampire ships could run light on life support and power, making them harder to find. They couldn't pull this stuff off in the asteroid belt. I definitely envision these guys as evolutions of Nomadic Sabbat, or if Requiem's more your style, Belial's Brood. Low or no humanity, always on the move, with high rates of attrition keeping them somewhat, but never fully, in check.
>>97890326You could run Deviant: the Renegades like that, it has different tiers of play that can result in either fairly weak or crazy strong characters out of the gate. If you're more looking for a blade-esque super badass hunter adventure, high exp tier 3 HtV. Give a Lucifuge 100 exp and you get a pretty solid Dante knock-off.
>>97890116>but most technocrat chronicles i seen had the player gone all in on how awesome the union is which ended with them pretty much playing delta green on easy modeThat's disappointing but not surprising.
>>97890276Just bloodbuff dude, it comes free with being a vampire
My brain must be fried, I dreamt one of the guys from my playgroup was working at my office and our boss was going to DM Vampire to everyoneAnd we were all getting free dots in the Path of Shadowcrafting
>>97889683>>97889836Matter might be the hardest one of the three to play with as a tank, but Matter 3 can be used to harden objects. This could be used to temporarily reinforce your mage's clothing and provide them with more soak dice against bashing and lethal damage. You can even argue that it's coincidental depending on how your character enhances their clothes, which is a nice bonus. This could also be used to enhance any existing armor that your character is already wearing, rather than just clothes.Prime 2 allows a mage to make an object capable of inflicting or soaking aggravated damage. So if you make the above Effect into a Matter 3 / Prime 2 Effect, your character could enhance their clothes or armor so that its original soak dice and any additional soak dice that you generate can be used against aggravated damage too. Add Life 3 into the mix, and your character's Stamina-based soak dice can be used to soak aggravated damage too. This will likely to count as vulgar, as it will allow your character to remain unharmed in situations that would otherwise be lethal.Life 2 can be used by your mage to heal damage done to them and regain their lost health levels, though using this to heal anything other than bashing damage is usually seen as vulgar.Life 3 can be used to increase your mage's stamina, to a maximum of 5 coincidentally but above that if you're willing to go vulgar, which increases their Stamina-based soak dice. This can only be used to soak bashing damage (and lethal damage if you're going with Cinematic Damage rules or the Too Tough to Die Merit) but using Life 3, this can be used to soak aggravated damage too. As I stated above, soaking aggravated damage is vulgar.You could even argue with your ST that you can use Life 3 / Matter 3 to harden your character's very body, rather than just the clothes or armor that they're wearing, giving them innate bashing and lethal soak dice. Whether this is coincidental or vulgar will really be up to your ST.
>>97890116>most technocrat chronicles i seen had the player gone all in on how awesome the union isI think that the Union's uncompromising nature and their scale is what made people interested in them outside of the conventions themselves. You get to go in, kill shit and claim you're doing it for the greater good.
>>97890775If you want to do all of this every time you go into combat, you're going to need a lot of successes that you won't always be able to roll, so you're probably going to want to make some of this stuff permanent, at the cost of accumulating permanent Paradox.The silver lining is that one of the options for Paradox backlash is suffering the Burn, which is damage that you can soak using innate soak dice. If your ST is kind enough to let you choose what sort of backlash you get, you can just opt for the Burn every time and try to tank it. And considering that the Burn manifests in an explosion if your mage has ten or more Paradox built up, this can be used offensively.So at the end-game, your tank mage could have a permanent Stamina 10 and permanently hardened skin that grants five soak dice, all enhanced to soak all damage types, and he could cast a spell that triggers backlash. He suffers the Burn and there is suddenly a magical explosion centered on him. After all of the dice have been rolled, it inflicts eight health levels of lethal damage, but he's got fifteen dice to soak that with. The likelihood of him being incapacitated by this is extremely low, but anyone standing next to him is probably going to be annihilated, unless they're also built for soaking large amounts of damage.This doesn't work if your ST doesn't let you choose the type of backlash and if they're an asshole, they'll never let you suffer the Burn ever again because your character will most likely just shrug it off. So this is dependent on a generous ST.
>>97890855>This doesn't work if your ST doesn't let you choose the type of backlash and if they're an asshole, they'll never let you suffer the Burn ever again because your character will most likely just shrug it off. So this is dependent on a generous ST.Honestly letting you pick the paradox that does nothing and might actually help you is way past just being generous.
>>97890875>Honestly letting you pick the paradox that does nothing and might actually help you is way past just being generous.I absolutely agree with that, though the theoretical ST who never uses the Burn ever again on your character because their build make them highly resistant to it is still a jerk. A balanced ST wouldn't allow the player to choose the type of backlash, but might still use the Burn when it might be fun, or inconvenient for the tank's team.
>>97890276Potence doesn't give you extra strength dots, it gives you extra strength SUCCESSES. An important distinction.
>>97891567But does Potence make my dick stronger?
>>97891567A 10-15% higher chance of succeeding is kind of just about okay though, I suppose. Then again, with blood buff as well it'd be surprisingly hard to fail at all.>>97891659Why not? Give yourself super viagra with Blush of Life + Bloodbuff + Potence and use Tremere sorcery to make your blood-cum into real-cum.
>>97891669It's important to keep in mind the extra automatic successes from potence adds on to your melee damage. Protean 2 + celerity + potence is the classic munchkin build for a reason.
Would roman candles make effective weapons against vampires?
>>97891702Thank god for CofD cutting back on aggravated damageEven the books acknowledge Protean 2 is stupid (Archons & Templars)
>>97891786>>97891786Eh, you'd need to engage either at a close enough range where they get burnt by the initial launch, or a long enough range where they get hit by the detonation. There's a delay to actually firing one, and the fire produced is mediocre. The main advantage would be the boom making their rotschreck roll a little harder, but even with their weakness to fire there's better civilian fire weapons to use against them.
Fuck it, I think I'll just make my players play Wraith instead of the planned Vampire game
>>97886712>If the fifth edition of Wraith: the Oblivion ever gets madeA big IF. They're supposedly working on M5 so we'll might have to deal with that clusterfuck first.
>>97891702>>97891816Hey, the Gangrel had to keep something to stand out. When compared to "shadow tentacle rape", "thaumaturgy with like 30+paths", "lmaocelerity+ lmaopresence", "literal fucking invisibility for anything not a security camera or auspexmaxxer", "schlatza army", or "chimestry so broken we had to nuke the clan" then "claws, eat shit" isn't so out there. I really prefer a "fight broken with broken" style. Maybe locking it to Protean 4 and making Protean 2 the bat +wolf transformation would've worked.What I really would've liked is Animalism not being shite.
>>97892276You don't like having the equivalent of a Mage background as one of your disciplines until you get enough XP to be inferior to a Tremmy anyway?
