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Show me your terrain set ups. I don’t even give a fuck if you have minis in it.
Finished my first model that's larger than a marineDon't think he turned out too badly myself, excepting the wing tip I had to glue back on cause I dropped him one fucking inch onto the table.
Started turning this manlet I got for free in a chink order into a sorcerer on disc using a 1€ pokémon token the penis stand is reinforced with cut toothpicks glued together, and I made sure the tip was perfectly flat Posting here rather than /wip/ because the goal is to use him as legend in a CSM army to give dark pact to a rubric squad for fluff (playing both CSM and TS with a lot of common models at the moment)
I like orks :D
>>97893783I feel like you could've picked a darker metallic so it'd contrast more with the bright pink skin. But it's still very nice.
>Decrepit old man barely held together with servos and chems>T4Just what the fuck are stats even about at this point?
>>97893777have a non-fantasy warham appropriate
>>97893675I understand from a logic standpoint because the Speedwaagh! detachment sucks so they just print some insanely pushed rules to make it work, but I dislike both how pushed the model is and how inconsistent with the other Ork stuff.Why is he T8? GHAZGHKULL is T6!The gun. Why is he hitting on 4s? He's the one aiming, not the grot. Nevermind the fact that gun mounted on his bike is better than the fucking gatling cannon mounted on a fucking Knight model.Why does he have Lone Operative? This guy is zooming on a loud 20'' movement bike with a gatling across the fucking map, how the fuck is he a Lone Operative? Oh and also gets deep strike and lone op for no real reason. Like they just pushed the datasheet to hell and back. T8 W10 3+/4++ Lone Op heals D3. Absolutely no unit in the whole Ork codex holds a candle for it, it's like he belongs to a different army. Unless he costs like 300 points why would you not put this guy in literally every single list. But it feels pushed to a point where they didn't even really think about the rules or whether they made sense, they just chucked every single fucking keyword in the planet and then gave him a bunch of broken weapons and abilities on top. And more importantly:WHY THE FUCK ISN'T HE A BOSS?
>>97893797For a comparison, a perfectly healthy space marine infused by the Emperor's holy cum has as much T and W as Yarrick
>>97893797Selling you product. Doesn't a choice of three special rules nested inside of your choice of three special rules make you want to buy the product? Don't worry if not, the utility will have a lot of appeal to tourney players.
>>97893797He also wields a power klaw better than an actual Warboss. He has 5 weapons and 7 abilities.I wonder if this is just a sign of things to come and they will just start adding all sort of broken shit everywhere, because these new datasheets kinda mog everything else.
>>97893797He's a marvel character.
>>97893763Old Ones should've been dragons. Dragons are cooler.
>>97893797He's juiced up on Ork belief-magic
>>97893804>>97893803>>97893797At this point in time stats do not actually represent anything whatsoever, other than some synthetic value convened upon by a balance team to get the funny competitive winrate number as close to 50% as possible. Same thing WS/BS doesn't mean anything, same way anybody can have a FNP, same way every invuln is 4+, same way the same gun has different profiles in different armies, etcetera.
>>97893797Cassius used to be old, broken marine held together by bionics and he had T6. Straken is half machine and is used to be T4, Sv.3+ (while being topless) and S6.
vghhhh
>>97893817Can't you still just make the exact same army
>>97893813Why does this miniature have a bolt pistol sometimes
>>97893812>synthetic value convened upon by a balance team to get the funny competitive winrate number as close to 50% as possibleHe's gonna be undercosted as fuck and guard is already over the 50%.I know the "they made it op so it sells" is often wrong, but all these late edition characters having 3 times as many rules as units up to that point makes it really hard to throw that notion away.
>>97893817I can’t tell if those are rhinos or land raiders
>>97893798I don't think a chaos mammoth would look that out of place in a CSM list
>>97891941captcha slowing down made the site unusable for a bit, but it depends on what aspect of orks appeals to you. >military theme, mercenaries, cargo cultsblood axes >meks, big gunz, and big walkers bad moons>mad max vehiclesevil sunz>grimdark barbarian hordes goffs >tribal barbarian hordes that do weird rituals snakebites >looters deathskulls>pirates or wildcard tribefreebooterz
>>97893817play old editions
>>97893830It’d be pretty out place. Maybe in something more space wolfy
>>978938214e Cassius came with a bolt pistol while 5e replaced it with a combi-flamer.
>>97893833This. I was playing Necromunda Underhive 2003 at the weekend and some guys at the next table were playing 3rd edition 40k, Eldar vs Chaos with the latter trying to overrun a Webway gate.They played the scenario twice in an afternoon and it just looked like such good fun. All nicely painted and suitable terrain.
>>97893812>stats don't mean anything>models don't mean anything>terrain doesn't mean anything>rolls don't mean anything (rerolls)Why even bother at this point
>>97893812What possesses corporations to so slavishly balance the game around >1% of the active players.Every single competitive video game that tries to do the esports thing ALWAYS wrecks the fun for casuals.I can't even get away from it here.
>>97893825the pick 2/3 rules might be their new hot rule idea, like damage per phase limits in 9th
>>97893844We have only the scraps left behind in the ruins of a once great franchise and only the relics of the past to show the glory of what was lost.It's very meta
>>97893844>models dont mean anythingthis one hurts, brosJust had a game where a Rogal Dorn commander blasted all of its guns becaue a tiny piece of its track can see a small piece of my Telemon's base. I thought I was being sneaky hiding the telemon behind a wall and all, but wtf do models do in the end anyway?
>>97893858Why hasn't LoS ever been a system where you have to see at least a third of the model to shoot it? I've always hated being to be 100% behind a wall in order to not be seen. Would this just cause tons of arguments?
>>97893864>Would this just cause tons of arguments?YesVehicle facings and pie plate templates always die
>>97893864So, replace arguing over whether or not a model is 100% in cover with arguing whether or not a model is 66% in cover?>>97893868Never had problems because I don't play with random retards (that cannot be shut down).
>>97893864Then you'd have tourneyfags argue what's 1/3 of a mini is.I'd usually say if the gun of the vehicle can see you, you an shoot with it, but then the same tourneyfags would just model their minis for advantage. That or it would shit on people who wants to kitbash.The solution ofc would be to shoot from the line of sight if where the gun is/is supposed to be.Why we dont have this, despite tanks can now split fire and thus not waste shots with sponsoons or necron monolith guns is simply because GW is braindead.
These constantly creeping up toughness and movement values are getting a little annoying. I might just be extra salty because one of my factions actually lost T and Mv this edition.
>>97893797A Challenge Met is the strongest Drukhari stratagem and singlehandedly responsible for keeping the army above 45% winrate. It costs 2cp and is so restrictive it only works in a detachment that buffs 3 datasheets + leaders. It is undeniably one of the strongest abilities in the game.Yarrick has that stratagem for free as one of three sub sub abilities on one of his three sub abilities on one of his two abilities
>release faction>Didn't get a codex
>>97893864>Would this just cause tons of arguments?Yes, it's not exactly easy and fast to agree on model thirds, especially with the kind of people who would want to shoot all your guns at you because they see your fingernail in the current situation.The only way to resolve this shit, aside from heavily vetting the people you play with and/or playing with a game master, is to rework ranges, lines of sight and cover in a way that makes scenery not this vital for keeping your units in the game
>everyone complaining on why yarrick is T4>no one pointing out the new ork hits on 4+s with shootingthat is more egregious, no justifiable explaination why he does
>>97893881>Release faction>Didn't post the image
Yarrick has been t4 forever, it's like the least egregious part of his kit
>>97893885Because the non imperium/chaos factions are so gimped, a super special ork character shooting as well as an ordinary guardsman is not that flagrant.You can say the same thing for Yarrick, but he's already in an op faction that keeps getting goodies by GW (and whose players keep whining anyway)
>>97893868Facings and templates only cause issues if you simultaneously play with socially inept retards and are yourself too much of a pussy to threaten them with physical violence for cheating
>>97893890yarrick is arguably overpoweredhe can order a baneblade and everything within 6" of the baneblade recieves the same order, or something like a trio of basilisks can all get ordered for 1 orderlord solar aint got shit on him and every guard list will include either one or both of them
>>97893888From what I can tell, that came in the 5e codex. In 3e he's still T3.
>>97893885its even crazier because the dude is driving a bike zooming around the battlefield. if he was willing to let go of the bike and just be a standard mekboy on foot he’d be a menace.
>>97893864>a system where you have to see at least a third of the model to shoot it?-Ummm, sweaty I believe I can see 36,74745% of your model, it's an open season *snorts*- Ackshually you can only see 31,6444% of my model, I asked reddit what percentage that leg consistutes, too bad for you :)))
>>97893880And the best part is it's not even the best option for him to use on that ability because Decisive Commander is even more bonkers with no unit count limits or keyword restrictions for handing out buffs.
>>97893883>>97893875>>97893871>>97893868I guess I was considering only the games where people play against each other in a gentlemanly fashion. Good sportsmanship and all that. I figured it wouldn't be too hard for 2 gentlemen to come to an agreement as to whether a model is "shootable" rather than "visible."Forgot this was 40k for a bit. My bad. Thanks for the explanations gents
>>97893876>I might just be extra salty because one of my factions actually lost T and Mv this edition.Votann?
>>97893888Then why did Phoenix Lords go from T4 to T3 in an edition where Toughness was supposed to get stretched upwards?
Yarrick being tougher than Skitarii or Phoenix Lords is fucking retarded.
>>97893902yarrick completely breaks action economy with orders by just bypassing it entirely with decisive command, what would normally take 4-5 orders with a mix or normal and tank commanders now only takes 1 (e.g he can order an entire block of 2 guardsmen squads, 2 chimeras and a leman russ supporting them) when normally that'd be impossible with a normal+tank commander due to the amount of unitsthe "tabletop version of a card game" is real, yarrick is like some new card MTG added in the latest set that makes a blue deck OP or whatever
>>97893880Lol fair point but you have to remember that dark eldar is a faction full of evil fucking elves with knives who live only to stab people and the imperial guard is a faction of level 1 chuds with semi automatic rifles and a bayonet if they're lucky, so an ability that might be army-defining for one could be mediocre for another.
>>97893906The problem is, the game is long enough and is such a hassle to set up, you have no idea who you will be up against.I always let my opponent do their skills/strats retroactively if it doesnt chage anything on my side. Like doing buffs during the shooting phase that shouldve been done in the command phase etc. Since the game is U go I go, it changes nothing. I guess my reward was getting my Telemon absolutely obliterated because a sliver of its base is visible by a sliver of a tank's treads.I blame the game being so swingy.Should that Telemon survive, the Rogal Dorn would be dead. That Rogal Dorn surviving also ended up shooting half my army off.
Re: the argument from 2 threads ago about Mechanicus designs being retardedI actually like that. So often people will say that 40k takes itself too seriously nowadays. And other people will then say some things look impractical and retarded.A fair bit of the setting should be impractical and retarded. It's more fun that way.Also bird-winged helicopters aren't even that bad, we have had Ornithopters since Dune, the primary inspiration for 40k.(Stilt boys may be taking it a bit far though)
>>97893921he comes with plot armour though? it makes perfect sense in lore for him to be strongeralso fuck this new captcha
>>97893930He can also make you shoot out of phase for free and guard shoots hard as fuck.And charging out of phase is still extremely useful to tie things and steal objectives, which is guard is also famously bad at. :^)
>>97893921tabletop never made any sense fluff wise and never will, best to not dwell on shit like this too much
>>97893930Counterpoint. IG can just shoot most armies off the map. Charging on the enemy's movement phase can fuck up HIS ability to shoot and charge.Plus the ability to fall back for free and without risk means during YOUR movement phase you can just fall back and have the rest of your army shoot at his unit.God forbid an army that relies on melee be good at it. No. Imperium armies needs to be good everywhere.
>>97893930Guard melee is often stronger than Elf melee
>>97893921I think it would be fun it he had a rule to be stronger and more resilient when fighting orks since orks believe him to be strongBut that would have sovl and is against GWs design
>>97893938Sounds like you and your opponent need to communicate better. You should be saying things like>hey i'm moving my telemon here with the intent that your dorn can't see it On your opponent's turn he should be saying something like>i'm moving my dorn here, do you agree that it can see and shoot your telemon?If you disagree hash it out. You're (presumably) both adults: use your words
l>>97893938Very true. As always, the problem seems to lie more with how easily any model can die in this game if it's not completely hidden. This wouldn't even be an issue if that sliver of a toe hanging off the edge wasn't the difference between your absolute blender fuck-you model getting destroyed by their absolute blender fuck-you model.
I would actually like to know what the methodology is for "balancing" nu40kBecause all it seems to be about is using a handful of tournament's win rates to then add or remove points, and occasionally debuff for the most egregious stuff. Meanwhile the new units always get a fawning release article that reveals [new miniatures] get re-rolls or an extra shot or a new gun.I don't think there's anything 4D chess actually going on behind the scenes past this. No consideration of the normal games going on at clubs and LGSs.It must have been a lot easier back in say 3rd and 4th were basically every army had basically the same weapons (i.e. the pistol-gun-cannon tiers, and then Las/Plasma/Melta/Bolter/Auto type even if renamed to suit) whilst now it's like "this is a Heavy Plasma Excorticator with 17.25 shots, not to be confused with the Plasmatic Obliterator which re-rolls on a Wednesday" or whatever else GW dreamed up last week.Like, whatever they change about 11th it will still be "balanced" like this every quarter.
>>97893954The hell is a melta tip?
>>97893970They strap a grenade to the tip of their lances.
>>97893766
>>97893763Slanni when
>>97893973Grenades can be melta?
>>97893970Have a guess, you fucking retard
>>97893967Codex writers and the guys who make the data sheets for new units aren't actually part of the balance team that sets point values and issues data slate errata. They kind of just make whatever they want. Codex release stuff only gets tested in pods against other codexes they are currently writing so they come in batches of similar rules. Units made outside of the codex cycle aren't ever tested or considered for how they play in their own faction, let alone against others
>>97893959Well we're both adults, and in the end I just laghed it off. I pay it no mind, it was a fun game. I talk about it here because the subject is about how the rules are less about the models.
My problem with the "new" (since 2015) AdMech is they don't look... idiosyncratic enough to me.They took all those years of Blanche scribbles and mentions without any miniatures, all the potential, and I don't know. Some are weird but not enough for me personally. It's more cogfop than post-human.
>>97893980They're usually called bombs in that case
>>97893974>contrast paint on a tank
>>97893980Yes. Melta Bomb.
>>97893974why do the space wolves look like that? are they meant to be wearing arctic camouflage?
>>97893943I've always thought it was fitting for a faction that doesn't fully understand the technology they're using to have these goofier designs. I like them myself but I can see why people were expecting something completely different.
Lore let here, why does he have a whip?
>>97893967All rules should be freely available digitally so balancing can be done regularly.Codex should be art / fluff books that contain a snapshot of rules at one point in time.Also GW should hire some more playtesters so they can do more than 2 games a week
>>97893997He just is?
>>97893967Everything makes more sense when you remember that>they do almost no playtesting games>they only use studio painted minis for what playtesting games they do>codex writers write their codexes in total isolation from other codex writers>new models are either based on what the model team feel like making or what the marketing team think will sell, rather than what benefits the game>no model no rules/box-locked loadouts mean you can't even do minor wargear option tweaks>release schedules are set years in advance, with codexes written and printed months to years before release so they can't take into account balance issues that arise from other codex releases in between writing and release>but also despite the release schedules being set ahead of time, the codexes can't take into account stuff from the same faction released in later waves because stuff that hasn't been released yet can't appear in print
>>97893997Ask Blanche
Let Chaos idols take this thread!
>>97893997because
>>97893997Corax was a former slave, I guess it's because of that.
>>97893999as a new 40k player coming from MTG i found it kinda nuts that rules are paywalled isn't it strange that i have to take my opponent's word that his guys hit on 2s and reroll 1s with no (official) way that i can verify that he isn't cheating short of shelling out for a codex?sure the rules are easy to pirate but that's not the point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_6LtoiSHAA
>>97894027is it so hard to ask your opponent to show the rule on his book?
I always struggle with painting space marines but I’m trying my best
>>97894030you guys have time to READ during a game?
Is it just me or does the site run like shit in general for some reason?
>>97893997>Give the second whitest primarch a whip
>>97894050It's part of a new strategy.
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>97894054>all the shitposters are actually feds coming here to stirrshit and ruin what people like to do/use during freetime, ie. ruining their circusBold strategy.I thought the idea behind bread and circuses was to keep the masses placated and docile?
>>97893880A lot of what makes A Challenge Met so strong is that it can be used anywhere in the army, and the units that it works with can be actual fucking melee threats. No guard infantry unit you can countercharge with Yarrick is going to hit anywhere near as hard as 10 wyches + Lelith, it's not really a comparable thing. BUT that doesn't mean Yarrick's rule isn't bullshit, but for an entirely different reason. The actual reason it's bullshit is that the timing of it lets you fucking rapid ingress in a Scion unit and shoot with THAT unit, and that's so goddamn stupid I'm pretty certain it's getting errata:d out within a week of his release.
>>97894072>>all the shitposters are actually feds coming here to stirrshit and ruin what people like to do/use during freetime, ie. ruining their circusin case you haven't noticed, there would be far fewer riots/civil unrest if they just let people have their mcjobs and enough money to live/pussy, but the feds seem intent on making life as shit as possible for average men and then release reports freaking out about it.
>>97893987The problem with that artwork those minis are from is that I think they went too hard into the weirdness. Goat and Horse skulls with bio-tech pipes? two headed guy? Leaves no room for dark mech to look truly fucked up, and also makes them too weird to be the tech support factions for the good guy imperium GW is pushing recently.They're the perfect look for the 'shadow Imperium' the Mechanicum is running, they are the central nervous system/the spine of the Imperium as it all falls apart without them, they just have a whole galatic empire worth of bodies to throw at any threat to their forge worlds. They get to rule these worlds outside the domain of the inquisiton and arbites and other bodies. They used to have their own Inquistion of the Dragon to root out tech heresy I think but that maybe outdated now. They could be these really strange sinister guys the average person probably thinks are traitors and heretics worshipping a different god but all that is kind of ignored for>Guys in red robes with bionics>Led by bigger guys in red robes
Well? Aren't you guys happy now? No more ugly pieplates! 40k is saved!
>>97893943I love the stiltdude. Idk why people hate him.
>>97894090>intentionally poking the bear, annoying it>then be surprised when it angrily growls at youGoverment really is staffed by fucking morons who completely lack understanding of Cause and Effect.
>>97893766This is from my last game but I have others if you’d like to see.
>>97893825Oh there's a big push for this lately. I don't think any new models other than Admech have turned out to not be totally broken.
>>97894108all the "fixes" 11th ed is doing is "fixing" the visual identity of the game, not actually fixing the gameguess those images of L shaped ruins with circular markers really got to them
>>97894097>Leaves no room for dark mech to look truly fucked upIf the darkmech has nothing original to offer without artificially limiting what the admech can look like beforehand, then the darkmech doesn't deserve to be made in the first place.
>>97894124>then be surprised when it angrily growls at youanon, they aren't surprised, they are looking for a pretext to fucking kill you
>>97894126No thanks, also stop ban evading
>>97894142I wasn’t talking to you but thanks anyway
>>97894137Yeah, fair.Really does show what a clown world we live in.>civilian: I want to live in peace, have a job, have a family and grow old happy.>goverment: I think not.
>>97894137>federal agents post in the warhammer 40k >in a thread with 100 people max>they do this in order to make me mad so I attack them and they can kill me
>>97894097>>97894133Dark techpriests should just be like traitor guard and chaos marines- put some focking spikes on it.My ideal though would be like>dark techpriest>he's a skull in a cockpit in a giant spider robot with arms or something
Rereading the new rules to understand them better, I find it interesting terrain features and terrain areas are distinctly different keywords in the article. Line of sight is still mentioned too, with the diagram showing the terrain feature seemingly being accounted for to detect the otherwise hidden infantry. I wonder if only the terrain areas will be standardized even in “balanced” play, so you can do any wall layout within the area for the terrain features
>>97894154you already said that
>>97894128The Eldar Corsair stuff, the Votann hero, and the Tyranid Prime were all kind of trash too.
>>97894162it's crazy how everything the dark mech makes is just "I took this thing the imperium made last week and put a daemon in it" instead of "holy shit look at this fucked up abomination I created after jerking off in the eye of terror for 7000 years"
>>97894185modern 40k is creatively bankrupt, if darkmech ever comes to pass it will be boring as fuck
>>97894072bread and circuses is for citizensslaves are to be kept as uncomfortable as possible to maximise productivity who are the citizens? no one, everyone is slaves now
>>97894126
>>97893906There is no gentlemanly way to agree on such a hopelessly indeterminate measurement as "a third" of a model. There are at least three completely different ways to assess that:>1. imagine a solid cylinder formed around the model's base (or the model itself, if you want to open another can of worms) and then gauge 1/3 of that cylinder>2. gauge 1/3 of the model's cubic volume>3. imagine the model as a 2D image from the perspective of the shooter, and gauge 1/3 of that 2D image's areaDon't bother thinking about which one of those you meant, because they all suck. Number 2 and number 3 are borderline impossible to even accurately gauge by naked eye and feels alone, and only someone deep in the dunning-kruger tunnel would think themselves and their brexit-yes-voting ass mates to be capable of it in-game.Beyond that, what problem are you even trying to solve? Certainly not realism, because something 1/3 exposed can be blasted in real irl. So it sounds like it comes down to your deeply personal and fucked-up arbitrary autistic preferences, yes?Are you just too lazy to ensure you are 100% behind something? This is what "Playing By Intent" is for. Open your mouth and talk, weakling.
Why do normal people in normal clubs and shops have Warhammer 40k tables that look like *this* for their weekly game of 40k with friends. Not preparing for a tournament or anything, they just do this of their own free will.It's fucking alien and bizarre to me. 40k was never like this until a few years ago.Even if the rules make you play peekaboo, why do I never see a game of nu40k and think "that looks impressive"?
>>97894202be the change you want to see in the worldshow us your immaculate table set ups
>>97894202Half the people playing casual games see them as ""tournament practice""
>>97894185Defiler is supposed to be darkmech so we are leaning in the direction of all the daemon in it models like forgefiend being the brainchild of the heretic fabricator-general of chaos mars.But ideally dark mech would make vehicles that are like the leman russ with legs and a daemon head.
>>97894202because neither the players nor stores really give a shitboth are lazy, why spend extra on terrain you'll have to actually paint? L shaped card or mdf suffices and the game doesnt require extra detail than that, it's the bare minimum
>>97894202I hate this soulless shit. I'm playing on tables like this with my friend, sure it's not as balanced but it does look like a game at least.
>>97894202>why do I never see a game of nu40k and think "that looks impressive"?that's because you've never played 40k in your life
>>97894193>>97894206You can end this charade at any time and become a normal poster here pukeanon
I wish there was a proper abominable intelligence faction. Admech doesn't quite scratch the industrial robots vs eldritch horrors itch.>>97894185Agreed. They should really lean into the chaos corruption thing with dark mech.
>>97894225use necron rules and convert your own evil men of iron
>>97894209Ok now what.
>>97894225This doesn't look like a model, more like a fucking plastic explosion.
>>97893766Not exactly my set up, but from my last game.It's a bit basic since it was at an LGS
>>97894209
>>97893906There is no gentlemanly way to agree on such a hopelessly indeterminate measurement as "a third" of a model. There are at least three completely different ways to assess that:>1. imagine a solid cylinder formed around the model's base (or the model itself, if you want to open another can of worms) and then gauge 1/3 of that cylinder>2. gauge 1/3 of the model's cubic volume>3. imagine the model as a 2D image from the perspective of the shooter, and gauge 1/3 of that 2D image's areaDon't bother thinking about which one of those you meant, because they all suck. Number 2 and number 3 are borderline impossible to even accurately gauge by naked eye and feels alone, and only someone deep in the dunning-kruger tunnel would think themselves and their brexit-yes-voting ass mates to be capable of it in-game.Beyond that, what problem are you even trying to solve? Certainly not realism, because something 1/3 exposed can be blasted in real irl. So it sounds like it comes down to your deeply personal and fucked-up arbitrary autistic preferences, yes?Are you just too lazy to ensure you are 100% behind something? This is what "Playing By Intent" is for. Open your mouth and talk.
>GW terrain cost too much>look at 3rd party terrain>costs 90% as muchWhat happened to the steep deals?
>>97894220you can stop reposting the same images every thread anytime too, maybe you finally won't get banned on sight lmao
>>97894213>>97894237>>97894254you okay bud?
>>97894261probably having issues with posting, cloudflare has been shit for the past few days
>>97894257Have you seen the price of beef, gas and eggs?
>>97894225Leagues of Votann Ironkyn?
>>97894263Yeah, mossad bullshit is making it impossible to post.
>>978942573d print terrain.
>>97894225>>97894230>>97894230C'tan shard
>New Toy (unironically, it's a toy, not a model) >age of smegma >golden daemon-slop Give us some real fucking news GW. Also, how come every GD winner is looking like the same uninspired shit? NMM and extreme lighting and such, ya'll niggas know what I mean.
>>97894225I really would love if Dark Mech uses some kind of aesthetic like this one, something techno-creepy.
>>97894257How about you make your own terrain you lazy bum
>>97894286Maybe the hobby isn’t for you anymore
Gives me joy when even the pros fuck the eyes up
>>97894230>>97894266Ironically, Iron Warriors are the closest to what I want despite not being robots.
>>97894310Erm... I'm pretty sure the name was Sam Gamgee, and that model's supposed to be Pippin anyway. Why do they give a GD to someone who obviously doesn't know shit about the material?
>>97894251You're reading far too deep into a simple "what-if" rule I thought of on a whim, man.Was just shitting out an unspoken rule that most of the people at my LGS have been adapting to their games. We, as adults, can clearly see if a model is behind cover.>Your gaunt's tail is poking out from that wall? No worries I can see you didn't intend for that. Not visible.Is what happens a lot at our LGS. I was just thinking of why that'd never been attempted to be written on paper to speed things up and attempt to teach something new to the more immature folk.
Any idea what this grey could be? Or one that looks like it. Preferrably from citadel, vallejo or ak since those are the ones I can get.
I didn'tbuy their old CP but got the new one because I wasn't able to get the Poxwrought box a year ago. I guess when I was looking at this piece of shit in 2024 it never registered what a shit deal this actually is>poxwalkers and some plague marinesReal tzaangor-tier shit. It's funny how world eaters went from the undisputed best CP to number 2 after plag marines.The new necron combat patrol is the same too>old patrol has doom scythe, lord, immortals, death marks, tomb speeders>new patrol is warriors and that retarded war of the worlds thing
Dark Mechanicum will never be their own faction, nor should they be.As a CSM player, I deserve access to every cool Chaos-y model, which is also why the cult factions should be dismantled and rolled back into CSM.
>>97894309What you finna do bout it, nigga?
>>97894237>But ideally dark mech would make vehicles that are like the leman russ with legs and a daemon head.So, a defiler?
>>97894257Terrain is models too.
>>97894338I think the closest equivalent would be Mechanicus Standard
>>97893885>everyone complaining on why yarrick is T4Being half augmetics at this point should be enough to justify that.
>>97894321
>>97894353NO IT'S A SUPER RAD DAEMON TANK YOU JUST DON'T GET ITDAEMON RUSS IS BETTER THAN LEMAN RUSS
>>97894185Have you seen Forgefiends? Defilers? Venomcrawlers? Lord Discordants?
>>97894353I don't care for the fleshy parts. Give me full chaos corrupted AI robots
>>97894338Go with Pro Acryl Dark Warm or Neutral Grey
>>97893885Personally I think it would be fine if 'normal' orcs hit on 5+s while ork characters hit on 4+s, like how marines hit on 3+s and their characters hit on 2+s
>>97894367Most people here are too lazy to drill their barrels, anon. You really think they’re going to make custom terrain?
>>97894338https://relaxdesignminis.wixsite.com/relaxdesignminis02/red-scorpions-painting-guide
>>97894375>Give me full chaos corrupted AI robotsare you having fun yet?
>>97894349You dont belong here anymore
>>97894388I actually bought a box of these little guys because I had a cool idea of what to do with the spare parts.
>>97894388They don't look THAT bad (from the front)
>>97893894>>97893888Yarrick was T4 back in 2E too
>>97894388Fuck what where they thinking? Really TS deserve to be shit on so much?
>>97894353I dont like how round the new Defiler is, I liked boxy look of old even if it needed update
>>97894397why is yarrick fighting a kharadron overlord?
>>97894403They're the same size so nothing is stopping you from playing with the old model.
>>97894388If this were something mobile it could have been fun but it’s boring.
>some fags asking for ig with spikes>others want mechanicus with spikeschaos is so tiresome... if we are gonna a new faction i think we deserve something better.
>>97894402All chaos cult codex deserve to be shit on as they should had never been a thing.
>>97894399scratchbuild more
>>97894050Well you atleast can post images.
>>97894397Regular commissars, senior officers, etc. were too. High ranking inquisitors were S5 T5, same as Marine captains.
But we can have 10000 flavors of different marines brother?
>>978943993rd party terrain has never been cheap. That's basically been true forever. From the time of 3rd edition when GW had one (1) tiny ruins set and one (1) short ass trees set all the cool 3rd party terrain was resin, and expensive, to the lasercut MDF era, which was also expensive, to the current era of 3D printing, which is also expensive.All of those materials are heavy and terrain is generally bulky, so shipping has always been a bitch as well.Getting your own FDM printer seems to be the way to go (I do not have one, and I'm not doing printlet propaganda). Some of the MDF bulk deals are probably also ok, where you get a table's worth of terrain for $200 or whatever. But MDF terrain is not that attractive.
>>97894433Yes I was attempting to make a post showing that about Commissars with an inage but the site is running so as shit right now so I can't. Yarrick's initial WD rules during RT also had him as T4.
CAN I FUCKING POST NOW
>>97894402>>97894396they're supposed to basically be statuary. Where GW fucked up and where I woulda done it differently is include stuff like plants and stone debris you can model on them to make it look like they've been stationary for a long time and are waking up now that the T-sons have come to collect on their debts.And as long as they're going full egyptian they should also have like a robot necrosphinx and a hierotitan from fantasy.Incidentally I was going through my OLD fantasy boxes from 2009 and in the wood elves, bwetonnian and ogors boxes I noticed that GW used to include a lot of basically free basing materials and terrain. The catachan box is like that too, Lots of plant sprues for making your guys look jungle-y. Now GW would charge 35 bucks extra for a "Wood Elf Forest Terrain bits sprue".
>>97894399Some people on ebay are so fucking stupid with their pricing, I sometimes send them random messages calling them retards if they are selling a single terrain piece for 200$ plus that’s painted like shit.
>>97894450>>97894450sex
>>97894451The thing is, they do not look like statuary. They have mechanical chassis' beneath armour plating, and weaponry with visible ammo racks. The whole design was just a flop.
Also this website is in shambles, wtf is going on with the posting issues!
Someone was here yesterday looking for a way to get some of that dark eldar/drukhari shit for not millions of dollars. Here's some lots I found on ebay that are somewhat reasonably priced. You got a ravager and two venoms for 60ish~ bucks (no crew), the lower left corner is selling the Maelstrom box without the Hellions and Succubus for the old "start collecting: 2017" prices so that's cool and the combat patrol for about 50 bucks off the GW price.
>>97894478nobody wants your dogshit posts here anyway
>>97894402they wanted to give thousand sons a pity hero model they couldn't sculpt a good pity hero that wasn't a redundant sorcererthey dug up the concept works for TS themed statues and sphinxes and not-dreads and made something small out of thoseIt was a nonsensical thing to sell as a pity hero so they sold it as a pity unit instead if they were twice the size they could have worked as magnus's bodyguards
>>97894478Rope up yourself mutant
>>97894468I hate to be that guy, but convert and paint my friend. YOu can be the decider who makes their stiff design look properly like statues coming to life like the Ushabti- which was GW's intention even if they fucked it up because their painting/modeling team is retarded.
>>97894462oh hey that thing i dont get and supposedly is overrated
I'm so tired of everything wanting to have their special dudes that I'm starting to appreciate basic subfactions like cadians more.
>>97894439MDF is not expensive, but looks bad, and printing is also fairly cheap if you do it yourself.
>>97894388Honestly a lot of it is the boring color scheme, I think these are really cool.
>>97894257Time to add a new tool under your belt
>>97894478buy a pass ;)
>>97894498it's only overrated if it's devoid of emotions, if you do it with someone you care about it's unironically one of the best things you can ever experience
>>97894484>>97894492
>>97894501TS anon deliver again. I built both of mine with claws I hope I won't regret it.
Why this site isnt working since a long time ago?
>>97894487>they couldn't sculpt a good pity hero that wasn't a redundant sorcererWhat's wrong with sorcerors? Why can't tsons have a bunch of like>aspirant acolytes- mortal sorcerors inducted into the wizard orders of the Tsons, lead by a Occult Master to launch spells and shit at the enemy and armed with ritualistic power knives>Terminator Sorceror Supreme- a Terminator Sorceror but he doesn't lead occult guys and he rides on a disc of tzeentch>Sorceror Hermiticanth, a sorceror who has shed his power armour in favor of using magic to tank bullets and shit>Sorceror Mutagent, a sorceror who is slowly succumbing to the mutations in the tsons geneseed and has like a bird head with ten eyes or some shit>Silver Tower, a sorcerous 'vehicle' that sorcerors ride upon which buffs their spellcasting and shit>Tzaangor Supreme ShamanThey're literally the sorceror army!
>>97894527Vibe coding
>>97894501Of all the ideas they could use to give more models to TS they choose the worst one
>>97894502You can't do this in 40k because all the giant bases can't fit on it
>>97894534>Khorne= Good Codex release>Slaanesh= Acceptable Codex release>Nurgle= James' favorite>Tzeentch= Forgotten and fuckedWhy is like this?
>>97894527well you see jimmy, after 2021 President Bidet decided to bring in lots of h1b jeets. President Dumpf decided to keep them. Now cloudflare is run by jeets who have degrees from Durgasoft, so they don't realy know how to code websites and shit but they know the Almighty AI will give them the vibecode they need. Such is life when you hire pagans who worship deformed babies with four arms and one lung as incarnations of their demon gods.
>>97894549All part of the plan.
>make lore about my custom chaos warband's different specialized divisions to justify how they can use different detachment rules from one game to another.>they sound ridiculously snowflakey and I'm embarrassed to bring them uphelp me
What ratio of foliage/terrain to open space should there be on a jungle table? I want to make one for my Raptors.
>>97894247This board is actually pretty fucking boring. The whole selling point is "titan wrecks" and it's not even done well.Midwit board.
>>97894561so they sound like the average 40k faction?
>thinking about buying the Aeldari Corsairs combat patrolI want to paint the wave serpent/falcon using the color scheme for FTL pirate ships. The idea is that it is a stolen craftworld ship.Any ideas for the colors on the other models? I don't want them to be too similar to regular craftworlders or drukhari.
>>97894564>my idealThe whole boardi s one big forest, with a few resin streams and muddy ground>practical for a 40k gameGrab that wyldwood forest terrain set from age of sigmar. There you go, there's your jungle.
>>97894561Make a "Boss" for every sub-faction and only use said boss while playing with his bespoke detachment. It's interactive storytelling
>>97894561Isn't that just 30k era Dark Angels? You could say they are a Fallen/Traitor DA origin warband that retained and expanded upon the Wings.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m3son4il/new40k-combat-changes-shake-up-fighting-in-the-new-edition/Changes to the fisticuffs phases2" is the new 1"
>>97894580Looking around on google I found this one, some trees and structures on teddy bear fur grassland. Green fur would pretty effectively mimic elephant grass I think.
>>97893812This is what happens when you don’t gatekeep. The game has been stolen by comp subhumans and ruined for everyone else. And 11th is more of the same.
>>97894612I forgot the pic like a spastic but it’s not letting me post it anyway. This place is a fucking toilet.
>>97893812>At this point in time stats do not actually represent anything whatsoeverThey could. With some luck now that Crudd is gone we can get the new guy to copy 30k for next edition.
>>97894572You could do all the models in something similar, or just focus on the red. I think eldar look great in red. Maybe use a darker red and no white to avoid people thinking they're Saim-Hann.
>>97893819Right now in 10th? Barely. It's technically legal but every single unit there other than terminators have had intentionally shit rules all edition and zero balance changes. Come 11th I'd be surprsied if they are even in the codex at all.
>>97894539If they were corrupt men of iron for CSM I would have bought like 6Who plays Thousand Sons and thinks "It really needs robots"?
>>97894657There's a guy playing Salamanders with like 4 tactical squads and all firstborn stuff out there winning tournaments.
>>97894598Everything so far looks like an improvement. Still can't fix most of 10th's issues without changing how datasheets work but this is good. Revering to 9th's points system will make or break 11th.
>>97894666Yeah if they don't go back on free* wargear I may very well be skipping two editions in a row
>>97894598Every week this looks more like a melee edition
>>97894598If 2" is the new 1" is this a good thing for all the melee armies that have that 6" consolidate stuff?
>>97894680Orkchads stay krumpin’
>>97894643>Intelligence 2Me IRL
>>97894183>when zoomers just stop taking it and start taking what they want en mass. You won't do shit, kid
Chaos necrons soon.
>>97893847Yeah, it's just gonna suck when your army is late in the edition so none of your characters get it, and if they decide it's an "epic hero only" thing it means named characters are even more pushed in an edition that nerfs the hell out of enhancement availabiliy.On the bright side, they might put it on every single Psyker and Chaplain type model to start bringing them back to their usefulness in 9th. If a Dogmata gets to replace their OC bonus with with their old "+1 Str and Attacks, +1 AP, fight again at end of phase" it'd be amazing.
>>97894721Give chaos squats with chaos androids
>>97894680It's time cowards.
>>97894598Standing 49mm from a wall to exclude 50mm+ bases seems like a way less egregious trick than the 24mm bullshit to block normal infantry. It should just be banned, but at least the new engagement range severely reduces the problem. Am I missing something?
>>97894495We are talking about whether or not the models look good, retard. I don't play Thousand Sons . I'm a better converter than you.
>>97894598>>2" is the new 1"But you have to end your charge move base to base. Not within 2"So technically charge is harder now.
10th was so awful, I genuinely do not understand how anyone can be hyped for 11th knowing it’s just tweaked 10th. Maybe I am in the minority, but I think 10th was the worst edition of 40k I have ever played. And I’ve played 6 different editions.
>>97894598Will need to see what it means for a unit to be "Engaged". If I place a unit behind another unit and you can't charge it, does that mean all your models need to stop 2" away from the back unit and won't be able to pile in? Who'll get to attack? If I have a jump pack unit and they roll a 12" charge and there's a unit and another unit behind them, can I drop in between and pile-in two different directions or will I need to maintain coherency?The overrun rule utterly nullifes the value of fragile screens like kroot. Now you can only screen with tarpits. Though it also increases the value of heroic intervention since sometimes you'll want to HI with a shit unit just to keep the enemy from getting a second pile in.
>>97894792t. Rhino rush pro
>>97893970Melta bomb on a stick
>>97894792Yeah, unless they announce wargear point costs then I'm not particularly excited.
>>97894792Do we know its just tweaked 10th or is that just the current opinion of the thread?
>>97894818Codexes still work in 11th so it cant be that different
>>97894792The consensus I’ve seen is it’s boring, but still infinitely better than 7th. Literally the only complaints I hear often are the shitty terrain and lack of wargear point costs. Oh, and the requisite bitching about how marines are too good and reroll everything.
Chaos vindicator for thousand sons y/n?
>>97893812I like how everything just hits on 2's now instead of having comparative values for weapon skill.
>>97894829Yes but make it a magic cannon
>>97894829Getting squatted
>>97894828>10th is infinitely better compared to 7ththe fuck you mean? every edition is infinitely better compared to 7th!
>>97894072That was before MK Ultra, the chief discovery of the program being that keeping people afraid and traumatized works better.
>>97894818GW have been regularly posting articles explaining the tweaks.
>>97894843So then you didn’t play at all in 7th? Since you said 10th is the worst edition you’ve ever played.
>>97894792I don't want a chain of index editions
>>97893812I like how everything just hits on 2's now instead of having comparative values for weapon skill. >>97894828Yeah 10th was a complete fucking joke, especially with how my army was mishandled. Newer datasheets are also a fucking joke so I guess I'll just paint for another edition.
I've solved the equation by playing necromunda while collecting and painting 40k armies
>>97894818They said all books are still valid, so it can't be anything more than tweaking. Sadly.
>>97894257Toilet paper rolls
>>97894860One day 40k players might realize what they actually want is 2nd edition.
Using spray painted empty coke cans as fuel tank terrain!
>>97894860Yeah I don't think I am the target audience for 40k anymore. The core rules are just so bad, everything has been dumbed down to a sad degree. With crunch being added through rules bloat on top. It's the absolute worst of both worlds. 10th has been an unmitigated disaster but sales seem to say that people want this slop, so I am in the minority I guess
>>97894873Are they going to retroactively give all the existing detachments a point value, or something?
>>97894885I’m currently turning some coffee cans into Ork fuel storage
>>97894598Doesn't this vastly devalue the Fights First rule? Everything else seems like an improvement, though.
>>97894598>base sizes are in mm>distances are in inchesI hate the bri'ish so much
>Orks are going to get first-codex syndrome after having the only passable book from 10th>Boyz, Nobz, and Gretchin will all double in price with Stormboyz inevitably going to nearly triple for useless Kill Team shit>The Stompa keeps going out of stock to the point where people are genuinely fretting that it'll get Legends'd
>>97894917It's just going to be like how it worked in 9th, where Fights First wasn't really that big of a deal and not super valuable outside of corner cases.
>>97894928wait until you find out 60mm bases are actually 65mm bases and 32mm bases are 30mm bases sometimes
>>97894929at least you're not admech
>>97894917It's literally AoS fighting now, but even less room for pile in tricks seen everyone piles in before anyone even swings. Given the rocket tag nature of 40k, it will mean you never charge in an even number of units unless you have some way to jump activations because your second unit will get hit before they get to strike (hence only charge odd numbers of units, so two of your combat units generally get full attacks on target while one unit will get fucked up before it can swing).
>>97894937or any other fucking shooting armyfucks sake combat was already pushing my shit in
>>97894598Doesn't this effectively reduce everyone's charge range by 1 if you have to end charges base to base rather than in engagement range?Isn't that a big nerf to melee armies?
Idea: everyone gets to fight before removing casualties
The current rules setup for 11th means that if Lelith Hesperax and 5 Wyches gets charged by 5 Space Marine Scouts, the scouts will, most likely, kill the Wyches and leave 1 guy locked in combat with a Lelith that can't fall back, unless she uses her once per game ability
Wait so... Are all the 11th edition codexes going to have new detachments in addition to the 10th edition ones? Or are the going to sell the 10th and 11th edition codexes side by side to get all the rules for each faction?
>>97894943You didn't read the article did you?Chargers still get fights first you dope. You'll get to fight with all your chargers before they even get 1 swing back unless they have a fights first unit, or spend the 2cp to interrupt (unless that's gone, too)
?>>97894959elith and Jain Zar points are probably going to drop by a lot.
>>97894943That is only true if your opponent has a bunch of things with Fight First, you still go with all the units you have charged with before the opponent can swing if he doesn't have Fight First.
Test
>keep thinking Craftworlds are called "House X" like "House Ulthwe" What did I mean by this.
Do they really have to write the rules in such a complicated way to give me an aneurysm? How fucking hard is it to write rules? Why so many words?
>>97894955You might be reading it wrong. You don't have to be base-to-base to complete the charge move, the unit just has to be within the charge range to succeed. The actual move must be within 1" if possible, and if not then 2" in order to actually do the move. Think of it this way:>Roll charge, get 8>Enemy unit is within 8", so the charge succeeds. Make your charge move directly forward and you must end within 1" if possible, 2" for anything that can't.>However, consider that in order to make the charge move you had to move around terrain.>Since you can only move 8", you can only get a model to be within 2" of the enemy unit after moving around the terrain.If this were 10th edition, you'd completely fail the charge in this case and be stuck. However now in 11th, this would be a successful charge move since you could end it within 2", if I'm reading this correctly.
>>97894955one baby nerf compared to a mountain of buffs for combat and turbo nerfs to shooting
>>97894955You don't have to end in base contact, every model have to end within 1" if you can, if you can't you have to end in engagement range (within 2"), if you can't even end in engagement range you only need to get closer as long as at least a model of the unit is in engagement range.
>>97894840Really? What have they said about it? They always ruin the good things. At least the defiler is getting a boost and good model.
>>97894985you're dagoth pilled.
>>97894598Holy shit if this is how rules are written in the rulebook this is fucking terrible.It’s like AOS where basic game moves are described as abilities
>>97894955>Isn't that a big nerf to melee armies?Melee armies only technically lost half an inch of charge if and only if the charge was completely straight and there was no intervening terrain or models. In all the other cases you basically gained 1,5" of charge. It's also a lot easier to charge units behind walls.
>>97895002>>97894987Then what I don't understand is what makes this change necessary If required charge distances are measured the same as before then why do deep strikers still need to roll a 9 despite entering 1 inch closer?
>>97895024The more words you need to explain a simple concept, the smarter you are, anon.
>>97894985Eldar Knights
>>97894801Can you imagine if tactical squad rhino rush is the meta build in 11th?
>>97895030This is because of you roll a 9, the unit needs to be within 9" to declare it your target. If you deep strike outside of 8" and roll an 8, your charge fails because theyre outside of 8".
>>97894828At some point the 7th edition boogeyman stops working. 7th was unbalanced and formations were dogshit for the game but fuck if I still prefer 7th's core rules to the boring slop that is 10th edition.
>>97895045Okay, so charges have lost 0.99 inches of distance in terms of who they can actually declare a charge against, since previously you could declare a charge against anyone within 12 inches and you then only needed to roll high enough to make it within 1 inch, but now you roll and then you have to be able to measure the full distance, base to base inside the number you rolled to declare them as a target.
>>97895061retard
>>97894884I see the appeal of 2ed but I still vastly prefer the 3rd edition format. It's the perfect sweet spot between simplicity of rules, flavour and army size. It's simply peak 40k.
>>97895061All they can do is say 7th was worse, and only then because of awful balance and allies. They ignore 3-6th because any of those editions is leagues better than current 40k. Which has turned into a bloated board game rather than the wargame it used to be.
>>97895109That too. Why are the options for these people just current edition or 7th? Why not 4th?
>>97895105For me it’s 4th edition with 3/3.5 edition codex’s. But to be fair I’ve never played 3rd, so I’m not an objective judge of the two.
I've got a feeling 4th will get a renaissance in the middle of 11th
>>97895119Core rules are almost the same, though 4th introduced USRs which is good. I prefer 3rd because I like the design of 3rd codexes better but 4th's are also pretty good.
>>97895129People were acting like this was happening during 10th but it never really materialized.
>>97895129Maybe it's copium. But I am immigrating to Europe (from NA) in a few months. I am hoping that with oldhammer being more popular there, I can find a 2nd-5th edition community. I would 100% go all in on starting new armies for any of those editions if I find an existing community. I can't be arsed to play 10th or 11th anymore. It's too far from what 40k should be.
>>97895133Miniwargaming started doing 4th ed batreps regularly during 10th. But that might just be because they are going through a taste renaissance right now, with also doing MESBG campaigns.
>>97895133Yeah, but now we're gonna have 4 more years of 10th. Most of my friends started with 4th. It's not very odd to go back when the current editions start to suck too much for too long.
>>97895061>fuck if I still prefer 7th's core rules to the boring slop that is 10th edition.You are only saying this because you don't remember what actually were 7th edition core rules. The psychic phase was 7th core rules. Fortifications were core rules. Flyers were core rules. Detachment and allies were 7th edition core rules. >Inb4 I meant except all of those thingsThen you mean 3rd edition core rules. >>97895109>and only then because of awful balance and alliesI can go on for a lot about all the dumb shit that 7th edition involved. I have done it before. >>97895109>They ignore 3-6th because any of those editions is leagues better than current 40k6th was proto 7th and was also incredibly shit. I never played 3rd-4th but 5th was a lot better than current 40k, yes. One can say that current 40k is shit while also saying that it's nowhere near the abysmal dogshit that was 7th. Current 40k is boring and soulless and made me drop the game. It's still a lot better than 7th the same way that being forced to see an awful movie is better than being robbed and raped in the parking lot.
>>978951096th is just worse 7th. Going through 6th edition was absolutely miserable and the most money-grubbing GW has ever been
>>97895150don't bother, he's a nogames
>>97895133Fairly sure it did but was not as big nor are the people doing it particularly brazen about it
>>97894828Its better than 7th but sucks compared to 9th. All 9th needed was to make Tempest of War the default for secondaries, do the terrain footprint thing they're doing for 11th, and maybe trim the fat a bit with stratagems. Instead we get dogwater.I'm especially pissed that Votann completely lost their personality in 10th. Not even a power level thing but a "Their weapon used to do this cool thing, now it's identical to everyone else's." Ancestral Judgement was overpowered but they should have kept Void Armor and non-randomized advances at least.
>>97895145>>97895137In my experience the main hurdle in convincing people to try 4th edition is that there are a shitload of units and some armies that simply didn't have rules at the time, so either you manage to convince them to use a large amount of homebrew or a lot of people simply can't use a large part of their armies.
>>978951516th is infinitely better than 7th because it has the boon table for CSM
>>97894986The game had a massive influx of Magic the Gathering tourneyfags in the 2010s so they have to write everything like a computer program because if they don't they'll spend 45 minutes arguing order of operations with a judge trying to pull a semantic trick to get one more wound on their opponent.
>>97895174What happened to magic in the 2010's to make so many people migrate over to wargaming instead?
>>97895168Do you remember the Chaos Demons codex in 6th?
>>97895158Yeah, if you bring the Riptide, Ghostkeel, AdMech, Leagues of Votann and Sisters being their own army instead of Iniquisition flunkies than 4th looks a lot better.
>>97895185Not sure if it's Magic specifically or just that people tend to get into cardgames first and then migrate to other games, but Magic was basically dying until the EDH/Commander format revived it.
>>97895109They ignore 3rd to 6th because they were so long ago most players nowadays were children. I played 4th a bit when I was a kid. I still remember the constant arguments about how many models were under a blast template and how much/what kind of cover a unit had. I’ve tried to see if maybe I misremember it but I can’t even get one of the frogs in my area to try a 4e game. They’d rather play 10th, or as is most often the case, play old world/mcp and not play 40K at all.
Anyone know where to get plastic tubes for hobbying? Need some around 5-8mm size for a model I want to build.I live in Finland currently.
>>97895197>I still remember the constant arguments about how many models were under a blast templateCurious people here always say this as if 30k or TOW didn't also use templates and those arguments just don't happen.
>>97895228>and those arguments just don't happenlol
>>97895228This. The problem was never templates, it was the rare case of the faggot abusing (a) rule(s).
>>97895185FIRE design pushed a lot of people out because it fucking sucks
>>97895234Then why when people complain or discuss what they don't like about HH or TOW no one EVER brings up templates as causing issues? Because they don't. It's bullshit parroted by zoomers who never played older editions spewed by other people who never played older editions.
I've played necromunda for years, and I've never had a problem deciding if a character was in cover or not, or if a template was under something or not, or if something was within range or not. Then suddenly a new guy came to our club and I experienced it all in one game
>>97895253was he fat? or short?
>>97895253That's when you verbally and physically accost him until he either capitulates or never comes back
>>97895217temu or a 3d printer
>>97895264No. The most regular ass dude you could imagine. But he hadn't played any miniature games before. Anyway, he always tried to rule in his own favor whenever there was a modicum of doubt, which I haven't experienced before in that game. There was a pattern, and it quickly became tiresome.
Anudda day anudda panel
>>97895253In games, there are two kinds of rules.>Rules that create a game>Rules that protect playersThe second kind of rules is not actually needed. People who approach a game with honesty and understand the point is to play and have fun do not need these rules (on the condition that the first kind of rules is well written, as in: not flawed).That's the whole point of "spirit of the game". If someone comes to the table, not to play, but to win/dominate for personal fickle gains, then things go to shit sooner or later.
>>97895252Because >Templates are soulful and scenic, so people are willingly to overlook their issues >Both of these games base half of their identity on not being like 40k of AoS, so everything that would go in the direction of making them similar to what they perceive as shit is considered basically heresy. I can guarantee you that anybody that would be even mildly critical of templates in the Heresy General or the tOW general is going to be bullied to 40kg or AoSg in zero time.
The Guard and Tau players are all fucking livid with the new fight phase and terrain changes, lolAlready calling it a heavily melee favoring edition
>>97895288Or rather Occams Razor. They simply aren’t an issue. And never were. t. Guy who has been playing since 4th
>>97895288ntab>hurr people are just dishonestI think you're just projecting your own shallowness and the entire reply chain corroborates that.
>>97895296melee editions are good
>>97895296>melee edition is announced >people call it a melee favoring edition You don't say?
>>97895296Wasn't the whole "all melee units have Lone Operative at 15" in terrain" not sufficient enough to reach that conclusion ?
>>97895296you love to see itmelee is what makes this game good, ranged subhumans can cry all they want, play real armies
>>97895253Yep, it's entirely specific guys. Had tons of fun playing kill team until I had a similar experience with a guy behaving like that on the cover rules. Getting rid of mechanics for guys like this is pointless, because unless your game is chess level shrimple it will be possible for them to ruin the fun.
fights first being gone is so fucking funnycan't wait to kill the lion with 10 street urchins hopped up on drugs and green goblin gliders
>>97895282Okay coolNot everyone approaches the game with honesty and good faith and the game does in fact NEED to work when played between two strangers who met each other that day and who do not know or trust each other implicitly.
>>97895317You'll see. There's finna be a "always fights first" rule within 6 months, and a "always always fights first" after that
shit ass uNGa BUngA fuckheads
>>97895317That’s actually an amazing change because it turns so many cancerous named characters into shit. Maybe this will be a /yourdudes/ edition finally
>>97895300I am not even the guy that started the argument, and I actuallly would like templates back. In fact I have dropped 40k this edition and I am actually starting HH. I am just explaining why the argument "if templates are bad why don't people that have made templates their Identity don't complain about them" is dumb. Pretending that templates don't have some issues is dumb. The point is that what they give to the game is worthy these small issues.
>>97895317at least them removing ff from my MoE on WE last year doesn't feel as bad anymore
>>97895327LOLLMAOlook at him and laught people
>>97894598So let me get this straight>Have to end move outside 2" engagement range>Can't charge unless you roll equal or greater than base to base distance>So a double 1 is always fail under normal circumstancesShit, suddenly a meme from 5th is relevant again.
>>97895328I’ve seen more people complain about a lack of templates than templates.
>>97895326uh oh guardNPC melty
>>97895318Maybe don't play with strangers
>>97895318The game should be centered around garagehammer instead of FLGS-hammer
>>97895344Some people don't have any choice. Poor bastards.
>>97895318If someone is a faggot you're going to have a bad time no matter how many safe guards GW attempts to put in place because the same species of ghoul that makes ambiguous rules a problem that cant be steamrolled over in a second without issue are also the kind that are just miserable to play against because of constantly whining about their bad luck, seething verbally about their army being weak, gloating in victory, autistically rambling about youtubers, ect. Completely pointless effort to try and make the game try and force this to be a positive experience at the expsence of the fun that's had when two human-souled people play.
New melee rules seem to be the epitome of shrimple not simplified complexity
>>97895358I cri everitim
>>97895368Nah they look extremely shrimple
Is Lileath Kurnous's daughter or ex-wife? idgi
Post dreadnoughts and equivalents. Tell me about yours.
>>97895376>Pile ins happen after all combats, so you have to remember ever unit that fought even those with no opposing models remaining
>>97895381No, fuck off n’wah we’re busy talking shit about the coming edition.
>>97895388That's what shrimple means anon.
>>97895312Also the whole "Benefit of Cover stacks with Stealth while it'll take five or six months before a FAQ changes abilities that ignore penalties to Hit to ignore cover"
>>97895396>They then patch up the phase-wide pile in/consolidate retardation with 2nd pile ins and late fights after consolidationTruly I am in awe, shrimple!
>>97895024They did the same thing in Kill Team, there was like a month of complaining then no one cared again. They did the same thing in Horus Heresy, there was like a month of complaining, then no one cared again.
>>97895402Yes? Anon you should look up the meaning of shrimple.
Guard should get a new special weapon that's just a LMG/SAW so I can give my cadians BARs.
>>97895411kill team is a shit system and should just copy the aos equivalent
>>97895399While that is indeed going to be a problem if stealth remain what it is, I am going to bet on the fact that they will change the rule to have it interact with the new hidden mechanic. >>97895402>Late fights after consolidationYou just reminded me of the bullshit of Tyranids in 8th edition.
>>97895150Army construction rules are usually not considered part of the term "core rules." It does not matter if they come in the core rulebook and are presented as the sole default way of constructing armies, they're still a separate design component. "Core rules" cover gameplay above all else.7th was basically when I stopped identifying as a 40K player, so I know how dogshit it was. But it was still a wargame, unlike 8th and beyond.
>>97895422There's a heavy stubber in the upcoming recom/veteran kit
>>97895388Consolidates happen after all combats.Here's my understanding of the rules.1. Charges made2. Units in combat determined.3. EVERYONE piles in units that are engaged.4. Player whose turn it is gets to pick a charging unit to fight. Other player then picks a unit with Fights First or passes.5. After Charging, Fights First units are done, next player in order picks one of his units to fight, alternating between players until both pass.6. If a unit is selected to fight and the unit it charged is dead, it selects another unit to pile into and fight.7. After all fights are done, EVERY unit that fought consolidates.Are you really playing with so many units you can't remember which units fought and which units stayed still by the end of the phase?
>>97895296>playing gimmick army>cry when its not 100% effective and is in fact a gimmick
>>97895436>shooting is now a gimmick
>>97895440Yes?
>>97895430I will allow it, now let me give 3 of those in a single infantry squad and up the men to 13/squad.
>>97895432>5. After Charging, Fights First units are done, next player in order picks one of his units to fight, alternating between players until both pass.Actually, after the charging/ff units are done. The player whose turn it is pick a unit and then alternating between players.
>>97895440skewing is a gimmick, yes
>>97895432You forgot 8. Units now in engagement range that haven't fought get to fight
>>97895066Yeah, seems like it, but that distance for picking your target is as the bird flies, through terrain. No more tape measure bending around the terrain to find out you’ve actually failed the charge by half an inch because of a park bench.
>>97895426I haven't seen anything about fights after consolidation, just overruns.The fact Overrun gets a specific name gives me hope they'll add interactions with it like letting you use overwatch on an overrunning unit to keep people from charging something weak just so they can pile in risk free.
>>97895422Just model the heavy bolter a little different.
>>97895465>I haven't seen anything about fights after consolidation, just overrunsLearn 2 read>Finally, when everyone is done knocking the stuffing out of each other, Consolidate moves are all made at the same time, similar to Pile In moves. They can be used to manoeuvre further into combat, leap on an enemy unit within 3”, or dash to a nearby objective. But be careful when engaging a new enemy unit that hasn’t fought yet in that phase, as they’ll still get the chance to fight despite everyone else being done.
>>97895450No, the other anon is correct. What you said is how it works in 10th, not in 11th.
>>97895381Mine was gay during his life. He was the only Marine who could still get a boner up, due to a rare genetic defect. Most Marines are impotent, as you all know. But this guy could get boners up and he was gay. He had a distinguished career, sometimes doing great deeds in battle and sometimes having gay lovers (human). So after he died he got put into the Dreadnought cophagus, he was still gay but he couldn't get boners up anymore, which was a huge character development for him. He ended up still fighting bravely for the Chapter from within his entombment.
>>97895459That's only after overruns, not consolidates. Unless I misread something.
>>97895432Ah yes, the simplified but not simple game design of 11th. Beautiful.
>>97895469Vostroyans and Catachans when?
>>97895470Okay, I missed that. Thought it was just for overruns. Hopefully the new units fighting don't get another consolidate.Anyway, probably going to need to use poker chips or glass beads to mark off which units have fought.
>>97895471No, 10th is players whose turn is not taking place pick a unit first. 11th is whose turn it is. So if you charged, you get to swing.
>>97895469No, 2 squads get BARs, one squad gets the autocannon. That's why it's gotta be a Special Weapon and not a Heavy Weapon.
>>97895493>CatachansNever. Only Armageddon Ork Hunters and nothing else.
>>97895483>>97895495It's also after consolidates. It's a basic ass rule to cover cases where you engage units at the end of the fight phase and they wouldn't technically have the timing to fight. IIRC it has been in the game since 9th edition to fix the fact that in 8th Genestealers could do shit where they engaged half of your army at the end of the fight phase, so nothing actually got to fight and you wasted your entire turn with everything engaged.
>>97895498Sorry, made a mistake in how 10 works, I was actually remembering 9th.Still, that's also how it works in 11th of you charged. If your charge>All charging units fight, alternating with Fight first units but starting with the active player>All not charging units fight, alternating but with the not active player startingIf nothing charged instead the active player starts
>>97895501Make a squad with a heavy bolter. Make another squad with a heavy bolter. Make a squad with an autocannon. There, 2 squads with Browning pattern Heavy Bolters and one squad with autocannon.
>>97895484It's shrimple, really
>>97895493vietnam/predator popularity has waned, and vostroyans are borderline persona non grata after the whole russo-ukraine thing, so they’re likely on the backburner unfortunately.
>>97895530Nyet, you need to spread the BARs, not stack 3 men on a single 50mm base
>>97895501just buy some printed ones and put them on your guysyou're not playing in official tournaments so no one fucking cares
>>97895543That's what I'll have to do sadly(?). I'll figure out a fitting design for a Hylas BAR
>>97895530You can't make a squad with HWTs
>>97895537HW teams are 2 dudes and nothing stops you from omitting the loader from the base if you don't want your Browning Automatic Rifleman to have an Assistant Automatic Rifleman.
>>97895360You have the kids who can get shot and go down dramatically while playing with toy guns.And the kids who have a bulletproof force field and a machine that negates anti-forcefield rays.You just can’t play war games with the latter, the former know how to make a fun narrative experience out of a loss.
>>97895554>single dude on a 50mm rifleAt this point I'd rather proxy a plasma gun
why do so many retards want 40k to not be grimdark and call it grimderp
>>97895565>single dude on a 50mm baseLaying down with a bipod heavy bolter. It'll take up some space.
>>97895578People calling 40k grimderp has been a thing for decades, anon, it's a common sign of what we call "the raped."
>>97895228Because no one plays those games.
>>97895582I feel you're not trying to understand what I'm actually asking for/want and instead are trying to force me into doing what you think is best based on what you want instead.This is fairly common here.
>>97895578I like Grimdark. Grimderp is just Grimdark that's badly written. The problem arises from people who think "Badly Written" means "Writing they don't personally like"
Charging phase would be less annoying if you pick a target and add 1d6 to your units movements and have it move by that amount to the target. If you reach base to base, great you're now fighting. If not, you're not.>"but what if you have a wall or barricade separating yo-"Do you fight through a wall? If you dont have the movement to climb the barricade then you fail your charge and your unit is now stuck on the barricade.I dont understand after all these years while rolling a 7 on a 8" charge means your unit just stands there with a thumb on their ass as if they rolled 0.Failing a charge means the unit is now closer to the enemy without being engaged, so in their turn they can just walk away and shoot at your overexposed unit. You know, like in real warfare where an overzealous unit got baited and isolated before getting shot off.
>>97895578Grimderp has been around for a long time, and it doesn't mean grimdark, it means that the writer tried to do grimdark but instead of succeeding made something actually comical
>>97895583a bit off-topic but what is "the raped"? I've seen it for a few years now and I don't know the origin/meaning. It's more than just edgy I take?
>>97895591Once again, Necromunda wins
>>97895587Well, your options are to use what you got or hope James does exactly what you want. I can tell from experience the latter is a fool's errant. Why not just use a Kasrkin sniper rifle one one dude as a "support lasgun" and just treat it as a normal lasgun?
>Brought Death Guard instead of Imperial Guard today, feeling that I'd have more permanent presence on the board. Brought a heavy infantry list including 30 plaguebearers, 20 poxwalkers and other bits and bobs. Lots of vehicles.>Enemy opponent in Knights>Haulers get mogged turn one by a lancer>Plagueburst mortar achieves nothing for it's 210 points.Deepstrike 30+ plaguebearers to disrupt. Only lasts about a turn as they are systematically slaughtered and my objectives only activate at the end of the opponents turn (which means I get nothing).>LoC and Bodyguards fail a deepstrike charge (accidentally, as I forgot its 6" instead of 9" with him) and proceed to get left in the dust.>Final whimper of my army was when my Helbrute (DoNt bRiNg ThEm tHeY aRe sHiT) charges an armiger and fistmaxxes him off the table before being shot off the table.I dislike Knight armies.
>>97895596You’re gonna find that out soon
>>97895578>why do so many retards want 40k to not be grimdarkbecause they either have a capeshit shaped tumor in place of a brain or because they drank the cool aid and genuinely identify with their choice of faction like it's some kind of political party>and call it grimderpcompletely unrelated thing, the term comes from people criticising the writing of those parts of the setting that are grimdark to such degree it loops back into being hilarious in a bad way, and/or parts of the setting that are grimdark but only because some people act retardedif you think the term is used, or should be used, to refer to what people describe the setting's real genre as to justify whatever asspull or bad writing they're defending, you're wrong
>>97895612
>>97895578that's not what that word means dumbass esl
>>97895611Isn't LoC Lord of Change?
>>97895617>identify with their choice of faction like it's some kind of political partyI wonder what kind of "person" would do this unironically
>>97895636Surely not the guard
>>97895493I think Catachans are in the same shithouse as the Blood Angels for being the American Imp Guard.
>>97895636Americans
>>97895498>>97895520From the article:>Once all combatants with Fights First have taken their swings, the person who would normally be next in line gets first pick from the rest of the crowd, regardless of whose turn it is.So if there's an even number of Fights First units, the player whose turn it is picks the first non-Fights First unit. If it's an odd number of Fights First units, the other player gets to pick.
>>97895479space wolf lore is so predictable
>>97895636Some overpolitised guys from north american country that full of pedos
>>97895632Lord of Contagion.
>>97895591That's how it works in Necromunda and then you get things like Nachtghuls munching half your team and the giant strong guys with mohawks being a shooting gang actually because they can't move fast enough to get the charge.Which is also a side effect of Nucromunda HEAVILY favoring the charging enemy but I digress.
>>97895688Charges are pretty hard to pull off in Necromunda TBF
>>97895636Scary amount of nu players. I'm part marine fag but the only OC donutsteel characters I've made are very much outliers/exceptions to their chapters. Then you have black lion type fags
>>97895702There is nothing wrong with writing OC and making your models /yourdudes/, what's wierd is people getting emotionally engaged to a fictional setting
>>97895702Making your dudes is the point thoughAs long as you're not treating 40k like a drunken englishman from manchester treats a football match against a team from London then you're fine
>>97895713>>97895718I think we all agree that the problem isn't /yourdudes/, it's the why, how and behavior around.
>>97895747>why, how and behavior around.And what specifically is this why, how, and behavior?
>>97895252tbf TOW largely doesn't let you fuck around with model spacing since it's rank and flank
>>97895611So you were running the terrible DG daemons detachment. Also brought a terrible unit. No, I'm not talking about the helbrute. I mean the crawler. 210 is criminally overcosted to run that thing when it could be two more drones or haulers. And you misplayed the deathshroud. I don't think this was the knights' fault.
>>97895751Also how many templates gets used on average in a game of TOW?
>>97895697That's why I mentioned the Nachtghul, since they're the worst culprit for nasty charge shenanigans. And on the opposite side you have the Goliaths who need grappling hooks if they want any of their melee guys to see melee before the end of the game.Anyway, back on topic, what do people think is needed to make shooting not absolutely shitass in 11th edition?Personally,Make Heavy +1 to BS instead of +1 to Hit. There's already too many effects it doesn't stack with in the game.Make Sustained Fire additive so using a Sustained Fire 1 stratagem on a unit with Sustained Fire 1 guns gives Sustained Fire 2 shooting.Tau specific: Markerlights remove Hidden and Obscured from target units.Bring back GSC's crossfire and give it to every army.Though the last one is less about making shooting balanced and more about making shooting involve more than static gunlines.
>>97895765>Make Heavy +1 to BS instead of +1 to Hit. There's already too many effects it doesn't stack with in the game.Just remove the rule about +1 to hit not stacking at this point.
>>97895750NTA but people taking HFY to a scary level and acting like someone is evil for playing chaos or xenos. Also fags being fags, though I see a lot more of that online than out in the wild. Even the HFY one are like 80% teenagers.
>>97895750Some people get incredibly upset when you insinuate that Russ takes it up his Wolfhole
>>97895774GW kind of needs it in place because they're idiots who'll design something like the Harlequin codex to stack to -2 to hit easily, its just unfortunate that they just as often go the opposite direction and write a bunch of leader/stratagem "buffs" that do exactly fucking nothing for the units you'd use them on.
>>97895750I'd say>whyTo infalte your ego through fantasy (My character is so great (and is me) so I'm great too (as I share the values of the character))>howBy making a vapid character that is uninteresting, pointless or see above>behavior aroundBeing a spaz when the nature of your character is being poked at
>>97895778>>97895784what does that have to do with yourdudes
>>97895765Is this supposed to be serious
>>97895578people call things "grimderp" when they see something that's grimdark and don't like it for xyz reasons. most of the time it's used stupidly to the point that it has lost all meaning. good example is the fact some artwork and descriptions have described imperial navy macrocannons being loaded by shitloads of shirtless, sweaty crewmen pulling giant fuckhueg shells into the breech loading mechanisms via chains and pulleys while singing space sea shanties as enforcers egg them on and whip those who get too tired during their shift. this is FUCKING AWESOME AND METAL but some retarded autistic subhumans are like "ohhhh well that's not hard scifi enough, they should use more autoloaders, that'd be more logical, and because they don't do that IT'S BAD AND GRIMDERP!!!"
>>97895381>>97895381My Hellfire Angel Dreads are some of the oldest and most prestigious Dread Pilots in the Imperium. They have much more Armor and some of them use Advanced tech Angel wings to store more energy which allows their plasmas to deliver stronger than normal firepower against their enemies
>>97895784Sudden urge to make a SoB/IG priest named the Great Cornholio
>>97895809this looks AI genned
>>97895809these look horrible and no redemptor pilot is over 100 years old
I don't get the big deal about yourdudes, everything is done within the rules of 40k, fluff and paint schemes and backstory do not affect the game, so who cares? People do not invent rules for their own custom armies.
>>97895816Creativity for its own sake
>>97895808This. Real life is crazy and computers/machines being "replaced" by a fuckton of humans is believable and cool and metal.
>>97895464I mean, you still need to go around the terrain so you will still need to measure, you just have way, WAY more leeway in terms of making it.
>>97895809
>>97895816>People do not invent rules for their own custom armies.They should be able to.And with stuff like the Crucible character rules and combining detachments we are getting closer to getting to make up yourdudes rules
AY YO IM FINNA CRASH OUT IF YALL AINT GET THOSE MELTAS OUT MY DAMN FACE
>>97895815They were transferred from older broken Dreads, understand?
>>97895826That's fine, that's within the rules of 40k. My point is I don't understand why anyone would dislike -yourdudes- unless they were making up their own bullshit rules for them.
>>97895828not how that works
>>97895832Nobody dislikes /yourdudes/. People dislike people treating the fluff like real life sportsball or politics
>>97895808>read post>say to myself that macrocannons being manually reloaded is retarded and is THE classic example of grimderp writing, possibly the original>prepare to type up lengthy response but click image out of curiosity>JOHN BLANCHE DREW THE MACROCANNONS BEING MANUALLY LOADED AND IT LOOKS...COOL ACTUALLY???For some reason I pictured a bunch of guys holding up the massive tank sized shells with their hands and sliding them into a big hole, I didn't realize it looked like that actually. That's cool. I like the ropes and shit.
>>97895835I think you fundamentally misunderstand what the word even means
>>97895835I've never met anyone who does that, either online or IRL, except for one person ITT
>>97895827He’s not black
>>97895844nose
>>97895849>>97895824Posts like this are so stale and repetitive
>>97895808We know manpower is the one resource the Imperium is not in short supply of, so them throwing people at a problem until it goes away is completely normal. Them using people does not exclude auto-loaders and other systems. There's plenty of auto-loaders in the Imperium, but on such large vessels they might only be used in emergencies (like old bolt-action rifles with magazine cut-offs) to avoid wearing them too much. Maybe the loader is broken, so the crew has to move shells by hand (like how a tank turret can be rotated by hand and the shell fired via a physical trigger if the electronics break).In the Fire Warrior novel the Navy vessels at the ass end of space complain about having many of their systems broken and jury rigged to function, since the Imperium doesn't consider them a high priority to get repairs or new systems.
>>97895836>I thought the lore was retarded, but actually I was retarded the entire time!Not a good look, anon.
>>97895838/yourdudes/ is when you make your models your own. It has nothing do to with seeing them as a "team" that you "rep" or whatever
>>97895855>man who reposts his army ten million times calls other people stale and repetitive
>>97895826All factions ought to have good subfaction creation, an upgrade from the 4th edition marine traits/flaws, or the 9th ed guard Doctrines.I should be able to recreate subfactions like the blood angels or black templar through these, as well as make new subfactions with as much fun and depth as these.
>>97895843>nobody does thatgo to 40k xitter and you'll see salamander fans threatening to kill drukhari fans' families and vice versa
>>97893766This is my kill team board. Hoping to do something similar with 40k, now the new rules have dropped I'll be looking at 3d printing some modular terrain. Fuck these soulless boards, make it look good or go home.
>>97895835The only people who dislike it are people afraid to show emotion because they think about what others think about them way too much, get over yourselves and have some fun.
>>97895869>aquila lander wing on the top middle squareSOVL
>>97895867those people are nomodels and nogames
>>97895809>>97895855
>>97895873That's a spare, I've got a whole one for the 40k board. Genuinely don't know how I wound up with that bit, I think someone left it at my place in like 2009?
>>97895865autists are infamous for being incapable of self awareness. please be patient with him.
>>97895880>Genuinely don't know how I wound up with that bit, I think someone left it at my place in like 2009?Sovl within sovl
>>97895808That's not grimderp, the copypasta where half the crew dies every time the ship goes through the warp is grimderp.
>>97895855Yiff in hell furfag.
I always thought grimderp was when all logic is thrown our for the sake of edgy grim darknessLike the stuff about hive worlds whose diet is 100% corpse starch, that makes no sense thermodynamically.
How do I start Chaos Marines? The dark pact detachment is preferred but I'll take anything that isn't 99 of a single squad.
>>97895939Like 40k then?
>>97895958>how do I startYou pick the minis you like and you work from there>>97895939Indeed. 20 hours work day is grimderp. It's supposed to be grim, but is actually stupid/nonsensical, hence derp.>>97895959Only if you let it be
>>97895808They use ratings for a few reasons 1.they're basically free, an autoloader system would not be2.It acts as an entry level for the crew, during their service they'll be tested for loyalty, detemrination, and various sorts of aptitute by both their service and their officiers. Most crew members that are not trained directly by the navy or admech are randoms who proved themselves as a loader slave.3.counter battery fire is and significant damage to batteries is expected. A nearby hit that does not result in catastrophic failure could isolate the battery from the rest of the ship, cause signifcant warping of the hull and machine components, disconnection from power, ect. A manually loaded canon can be seperated fromt he ship entirely and continue firing. Compared to lances, they are noted for being much more reliable and resistant to damage.4.Galley slavery in space is bad ass
