Hedgefag…. *sniffle*

>>97909552
He never existed, it was all in your mind.

How does unmaking work for a changeling (CtD)? Do changelings have 2 souls since their human body continues to live?

>>97909509
>wiki-skimming
At least read their two pages in M20 or something.
>CoE sounds more like a Slaanesh thing, which could fit for the Nephandi ally sure, but not a mage who’s avatar is Khorne.
Look past the drug addict stereotype and you should quickly realise that the unifying factor of the Cult of Ecstasy is that they almost universally believe that their magic comes from a heightened state of consciousness, from their unleashed passion. This fits a berserker extremely well, even your religious one. By surrendering to the throes of rage, they become attuned to their god. Such a focus is ideal for an Ecstatic.
>I know that they specialize in the Time sphere so I wasn’t sure if it’s the good one to pick
If you're playing M20, you usually get a selection of spheres to choose your affinity sphere from. An Ecstatic can go with Time, Life or Mind.

>>97909629
IIRC the human and faerie souls are mingled (except in the case of some sidhes), they're not two separate ones. The post-undone human is 'alive' but usually a borderline automaton just going through the motions of life, having only the human remnants of their soul remaining after the faerie part is ripped away.

>>97909534
>Human
>Male (White)
>Hunter
Now, what personality should he have?

>>97909777
Grim, serious, and stoic but righteous.

>CoE sounds more like a Slaanesh thing, which could fit for the Nephandi ally sure, but not a mage who’s avatar is Khorne.
Nah, their focus is on perception and emotion. That can certainly come from the stereotypical drugs and sex, but a berserk rage would absolutely fit as well. A common subversion for an Ecstatic is an athlete who uses their adrenaline rushes due to their distortion of perception. For spheres you can just pick Life or Mind or whatever you're interested in, I highly doubt your ST is going to care that much. Though I think Time works just fine, the world around you is literally slowing down as you frenzy. Enemies falter and find it hard to fight against you due to slow reflexes, slow limbs, etc.

>>97909790
Meant for >>97909509

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>>97909658
I usually do wiki-skimming (and random sites too for quick searches) when I either don't have the book on hand, or I want to speadread about something.

I admit to my over reliance on those unreliable sources.

>>97909790
So far I got a dot in everything besides Correspondance, Spirit and Time. Though I'm not sure if not picking Correspondance is going to cripple my "sniffer" build, even if it's secondary to just being a living blender fuled by carnage. Then again, in the mental department I only boosted Wits to get a bonus initiative, so I might be doing it wrong

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How would Leon fare in your current campaign?

>>97910054
i haven't played the new resident evil yet but from what i seen online he would somehow parry a etherite beam canon with a axe say something like "world just got a whole lot less dark" and then do a backflips

>>97910054
Which Leon?
>RE2 Leon
He lives but I don't think he'd accomplish anything at any moment.
>RE4 Chad Leon
Total. Hunter. Victory.
>RE4R Leon
He probably foils the hell out of the party's plan or the antagonist's plan but he'd be rather depressed during the journey and while he's impressive I think it'd be a hard won victory for him in a setting where shit's actually crazy.
>Requiem Leon
Monsters? Killed. Girls? Saved. Vitals? Missed. He'd probably retire after. The Requiem gun alone is pure sex and I think it'd probably be enough to put down a werewolf, so this Leon is probably the strongest one.

>>97910137
Leon in 9 has too many back problems to do those, but that sounds about right.
>Parries Vicissitude grab
>Kneecaps your Menthuselah
>Sharpens Axe
>Sorry, this blood's not for sale
>Decapitates the FUCK out of the vampire

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>>97909534
Are there any discords or similar groups in this general I can join? I've tried being involved in WOD games among the people I know and god they are all terrible. I only know one guy who is good and not horrifically autistic. I want to join an actual role playing experience with the people who post in these threads. I love WOD but I'll never have the chance to actually play it without people from this place.

>>97909941
If you insist on staying Arete 1 Avatar 1, I'd go with Correspondence over Forces, mostly for roleplaying purposes.
Forces 1 grants perception of forces, typically in order to detect the full electromagnetic spectrum. Infrared, ultraviolet, sonar, radio, etc. While cool, this doesn't seem like the sort of thing that would help a berserker, or that a berserker would be capable of.
Correspondence 1 grants the mage awareness of things near the mage, even if they can't perceive them with standard senses. This sixth sense could be used to thwart ambushes when combined with Life 1, as an example, as a sort of 'life sense,' that could manifest as the berserker being able to feel the blood pumping through the veins of potential prey.

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>>97909629
Changelings have a soul that is basically a mix of Humans and Fae if they aren't the kind to just replace human Souls. If you unmake a Changeling, you basically destroy the Fae part but the human parts remain and can even become a Wraith when they die.

>>97910154
>horrifically autistic
Sadly, this is likely going to be your experience with everyone here, including myself. We all feel very strongly about the World of Darkness and often disagree about it. A /wodg/ game would be full of rules lawyering, lore policing and arguing over minutia. A /wodg/ poster might be a good player in a group of ordinary people, but a group of /wodg/ posters playing together would only end in sorrow.

>>97910154
>>97910191
What I'm hearing is we're custom-built to neg each other while playing Wraith

>>97910191
Don't forget, in a /wodg/ game for 4 people, 2 have actually played a game and will be busy tisming at eachother while the other 2 are nogames.

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>>97908490
>Also those weapons… they’re beautiful. Since they’re level 2 wonders do they only have the sweet stats (which are awesome), or do they come with extra powers? I googled your thing and also found out the Swords of Mars… imagine having a malign sword of mars ungeased…
Yes they do. The creator of it can basically put any Rote suitable for a weapon into them and depending on its wonder rank, multiple ones.

>>97910191
To clarify. When I say autistic, I dont mean the internet version of the term. I mean *Autistic* people who are stunted, miss social cues, cant comprehend mindsets other than their own etc. I played with a guy who genuinely has the brain of a Martian. We stop the game, tell him A = B he then concludes ''Oh I get it, it equals X!'' that kind of autistic. I'm fine with debates, even heated ones over lore and rules. But what I want is actual role play with people I can engage and cooperate with. Not retards.

>>97910203
The literal perfect wraith misery machine exists here, and we haven't realised we were in a dead IP all along.

>>97910225
>people who are stunted
Debatable.
>miss social cues
Happens on occasion here. See the frequent assertion that the discussions that occur here are shitposting, even when they're civil.
>can't comprehend mindsets other than their own etc
Happens a lot here, with people who express their inability to see the appeal of certain games or splats and get irate when other people try to explain the appeal to them.

Don't get me wrong, most regulars here are likely high functioning, but they've got some degree of the actual 'tism if they devote this much of their free time and lives to posting about a tabletop game with strangers on the internet who they don't actually play with.

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>>97910154
>But what I want is actual role play with people I can engage and cooperate with. Not retards.
I gotta agree with the other anon. It would be like 10% role playing, optimistically, while the rest of the time is spent arguing over white room builds and shit flinging.

>>97910273
I'm autistic as well. I have no issue at all with autists. What I mean is people who are not high functioning. If anyhing that sounds like a blast. The only people I've ever known, besides one IRL person, who I feel any sort of kinship with are other autists. I just wanna fucking play games dude. Not be endlessly told ''Recruit from your local community'' there are no people here.

>>97910167
Not that I insist, but more like I don't feel the urge to rank up avatar and arete. I also don't feel like I'd be in a disadvantage compared to other players since I can just meat grind a corridor of technocrats with pure strength and magic cocaine.

Though I'll follow your advice. I guess I could split my attributes distribution in mental even between wits and perception.

>>97910154
I recommend just going to the official discord. I got nothing but great groups so far. We even got a trans that recently joined our group and they're one of the chillest players I've met online. Even when they made a peace loving kindred, when they saw us going nazi murder hobos they hopped on our hype train and we're having a blast being a bunch of conniving bastards.

>>97910216
fucking awesome

>>97909597
He's still real to me, dammit!

>>97910191
It'd be tempting to see what kind of retardation we'd be able to get up to.

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>>97909552
>Hedgefag
Killed by banality.

>>97910417
It would have to be V20, it's the closest thing to a system that everyone here is familiar with.

>>97909552
It really is unfortunate hedgie got hit by that bus

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>>97909552
He was never real. Take your meds, citizen.

>>97909534
>Who/What was the most bumbling minion youve had the displeasure of dealing with?
It's been so long that I can't remember a lot of details, but in an older chronical there was this one Nephandi bitch who had a couple of thick-headed toadies. She'd clearly coached them to say specific things in unison in specific situations (like "She has spoken"); but they were always missing their cues, saying differing things, or one would start half a beat behind the other one.

Why did the Technocracy create autism? What purpose does it serve for the Time Table?

do any of you anons know where i can find rules for drugs in any of the books

>>97910659
>Why did the Technocracy create autism?
The neutralization of fae-related threats by giving them a mundane explanation and the means to integrate them into society with minimal damage. Read the memo next time.

>>97910659
People were bored.
Clowns were needed.

>>97910708
look in the archive two threads over where another anon posted the rules for mundane drugs in V20 and some of the mage related ones.
There's also the world of future darkness article if you want to translate Cyperpunk mechanics, like the drug creation rules, into WoD.

>>97910708
Damn, druggiebro, didn't you get those one or two threads ago?

>>97910736
he got high and forgor

>>97910731
thank you anon very helpful
>>97910736
He must be a kindred spirit

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>>97910740
Lost/Oblivion girl is kinda hot.

Books from gamelines you like that you can't stand?

For me it's A World of Darkness, which really likes going "and this entire geographic area is ruled with an iron fist by this one old vampire who is 6th gen or lower." It's like if every region of the globe had its own Mithras. Absolutely no fun allowed.

>>97910659
Idk, ask the Progenitors. One of those sick fucks probably offered the Syndicate some new type of dickpills to sell in exchange for a blank check.

Can a mage use his own body as an Instrument? If yes. does it count as
>Unique (-1 difficulty in a specific sphere)
>and/or Particular (-2 difficulty instead)

I'm at the focus part of the berserker khornate

>>97910806
I presume that's covered by the rules related to dances, gestures and martial arts.

>>97910791
Saviors and Destroyers (Demon)
Just does not add anything meaningful to potential demon hunters, both as characters and antagonists. You're better off just using Hunters Hunted.

>>97910818
Are you talking about one of the practices? I picked Maleficia, and Might is Right as Paradigm.

>looking for technocratic gadgets
>knuckle dusters made from primium
>they let you hit things hard
Why not use some different alloy? Primium is supposed to be pretty hard to get and using it to craft brass knuckles seems pretty wasteful.

>>97910838
I have no idea, i keep mixing the rules between versions.

>>97910841
>Why not use some different alloy?
Because it is cool.

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>>97890326
Someone actually did it >>97907285.

https://files.catbox.moe/8y9z3j.pdf

>>97910154
https://discord.gg/chronicles-of-darkness-200470663683637248

>>97910267
We should run a chronicle based on Sartre's No Exit.

>>97910806
AI says yes, but RAW says no
>other kinds of tools, a unique instrument must be something your mage can lose: a fiddle crafted by your dead grandfather, a locket with your mentor's last portrait, a shirt given to you by a now-lost lover, and so forth.

P.588

>cook up a cool idea for a game in my head
>know that Paradox's grip on the IP would make any endeavor kind of pointless and cucked anyway even with approval
>not really skilled enough to get myself a publisher (yet)
This IP has some insanely cursed potential, especially compared to shit like Pathfinder or DnD
>DnD gets a bunch of mediocre games, two good RPGs and a great RPG and a great VN that plays like an RPG
>WoD gets a couple of inspired games (Minus Earthblood and Bloodlines 2) and relegated to text games
It's kind of crazy that you can mostly tell any sort of story you want with this IP (more so than DnD) and there's only been one old as hell crpg. Granted, maybe 5 splats just cannot be adapted to videogames at all .

>>97911224
I mean, you can probably make a text game if you want to.
Do include romance options.

>>97910806
Yes to counting as an instrument, though you need to be more specific than that. No to unique, significant or particular, as everyone has a body that they can use.
Examples of instruments that use the mage's own body:
>Blood and other fluids (specifically if you use your own bodily fluids as part of a spell)
>Dances, gestures, postures and other movement practices (movement of the body as part of a spell)
>Energy (specifically, using your body's own 'energy' as part of a spell)
>Ordeals and exertion (your body's pain and strenuous activity as part of a spell)
>Voice and vocalisations (the sounds your mouth makes as part of a spell)
Is there any particular method that you want your mage to use to accomplish magic, that doesn't fall under any of the above?

I think the anon who recommended me Spark of Life for the berserker had it wrong... he said that it would heal lethal as if it was bruised, but in reality it only heals at one injury level less.

Sure if I was at Lethal 1 it would be considered 6 Bashing instead in recovery time. So 6 hours instead of a day. But Lethal 5 would be treated as Lethal 4, so it would mean 1 month instead of two at an hospital.

Well I'm posting this in case I misunderstood the thing. Here's what the merit says:

>The vitality of Life flows within you with preternatural strength. This lifeforce is so strong, in fact, that all nonaggravated wounds heal as if they were one wound level less; if you are Injured, you will heal in three days what others heal in a week. If you are Hurt, you heal in only one day. Bruises disappear in an hour.

>If in perfect health yourself, you may share your vitality with others through the power of your touch. Anyone you assist recovers at your accelerated rate, but if the person is badly mauled or crippled, she will require months of constant bedside nursing. If the possessor of this gift is proficient in the Sphere of Life, he may heal aggravated wounds as if they were non-aggravated. All difficulties with Life magic for the purpose of healing, creation, growth or positive change (repairing congenital defects, for example) are at -2 when the touch is used. The mage's supernatural vitality aids the effect. Verbena consider this merit to be the mark of a born healer, while the Sons of Ether think it is a recessive, albeit desirable, mutation.

>On the downside, your blood is particularly tasty to vampires, being twice as potent as most mortals, and you regenerate on top of it. Vampires have names for people like you — "Cornucopia," "Big Gulp," or simply "Mine!"

>>97911297
So far those are the instruments that I have picked

-Blood and Other Fluids
-Bones, Skins, Organs, and Other Remains

-Drugs and Poisons
Since I'd be boosting myself to make more carnage

-Offerings and Sacrifices
-Ordeals and Exertion
-Prayers and Invocations
-Weapons

>>97911267
I don't think you would like my choice of romance options if I were to make a WoD game anon, unfortunately. My autism for games with mechanics that are real might make a text game too convoluted as well

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>>97911326
>I don't think you would like my choice of romance options if I were to make a WoD game anon, unfortunately.
Why not?

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>>97911297
Where did you get your version of Spark of Life from?

>>97911344
I wrote M20 pdf on my search engine and picked one of the top options, but it didn't open a pdf. It got me a page with all the text in the book written on it... I should just download the books in the links here and see for myself. I feel stupid.

>>97911336
>into tragic endings, depressive kino, and angsty bullshit
Unless you like Metamorphos or victim girls, I don't know how to write women.

How do you think a Malkavian/Red Talon interaction would go down?
>One wants to kill the entire human race
>The other is a Red Talon

>>97911364
Almost every merit and flaw in the Book of Secrets and almost every wonder in Mystic Armory is going to have a pre-M20 version with different rules. As 1e, 2e and Revised stuff has been around for ten to twenty years longer, trying to search for rules on the internet is far more likely to give you results for that than M20 stuff.

>>97911393
Does gender matter?

>>97911372
Come on, bro, it's not that hard.
Just add a stereotypical tsundere (maybe with some extra verbal abuse) and some Rei-like girl. There you go, players are happy.
If you want more depth than that... just learn from the master:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbA-KAgj-ko

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>>97911326
>was going to bring up what i thought was a tzimisce FtM tranny but upon closer scrutiny its actually a ventrue
Why the fuck did they use the tzimisce clan symbol? I almost want to say its because someone thought being trans was the vampire equivalent to being a tzigger but its more likely the people who churned out the book didnt actually give a shit about the product. Jesus H Christ, im reading further into the section and in the appearance section it says 'he' "eschews tattoos of any kind".

Either way, I dont think you can do worse than "official" material.

>>97911415
I'm honestly surprised V5 didn't try something like: "Due to masquerade concerns, many, perhaps most, new kindred have had their appearances drastically changed before the embrace- be it through fleshcrafting or magic. This often includes changing the gender of said kindred"

some of this talk of other WoD games had me remember
I recently replayed Wolf Among us and that entire game is like...1 set of proper nouns and character design changes to being just a VtM game.
Same exact sort of setting and secret society of supernatural creatures with their own government and rules.

>>97910203
Bruh I dont want to play Wraith. I cant comprehend the mind of people who do. I just wanna do fun vampire shenanigans

>>97911789
Jesus Christ, not everything set in the modern day with supernatural elements is a fucking World of Darkness reference. You guys have all of the genre literacy of a fucking chimp. Most urban fantasy games and fiction are obviously distinct from the World of Darkness and thank fuck for that.

Where do I find Lore of the Tradition (m20) and Forbidden and Forgotten orders (also m20) ?

>>97910791
Forgotten and Forbidden Orders from M20. They really worked hard to make the Crafts look lame. The Taftani throwing away their pride to become Dubai dwellers and the Solificati bitching about the Hermetic alchemists taking themselves too seriously instead of partayyyngggggg were beyond cringe.

>>97912745
I don't have the Forbidden and Forgotten Orders (and would be happy if someone shared a link for it) but I can give you the Lore of the Traditions.
https://limewire.com/d/cc1x1#QsDHGUr1M5

>>97912775
i mean it kinda makes sense these are the guys who thought joining a group that the hollow ones made up on the spot to be a upgrade to their current situations in other words actually cool people are not going to join the rebound girl alliance

the only weird thing about this is that they wasted a book on these guys but the same can be said about the og books of crafts too

>>97912745
https://limewire.com/d/jQQN7#IJXxbCeBxl

Here's Forbidden and Forgotten Orders, so you can complain about it as I do.

>>97912062
But anon... I do understand though Wraith is probably for suffering enjoyers or people who like gallows humor, but you can do fun shenanigans in it. It's just the dynamics of 4chan discussion would actually be right at home in Wraith, though I think most of us would kill ourselves before playing Wraith with a fellow /wodg/ poster.

>>97912826
>>97912835
Much appreciated

>>97912830
I mean, true, more or less, but I saw some cool factor in how they used to be people who disagreed with the end all of the Traditions' goal, or their methods, or whatnot, and ended up cooperating because of circumstance, but you have absolutely a point regarding the fact that the Hollow Ones being there really was a sign of what it would have truly been.

It will never not be insane how Polynesians animists, Zoroastrians, Vodouists and other people with cultures that are disappearing from the world just ended up in the same group as "Those meanypants Hermetics said something mean about my Jack Skellington puppet once so they're literally the Technocracy, just like MY DAD."

>>97912849
the funniest members are the ones who joined first the Ahl-i-Batin because their write up goes on about how they can't even do infernalism or use the entropy sphere (something that is not hard enforced in m20 but still given lip service to) because of how alien and offensive it is to them

so they join the hollow ones the guys who have entire pages of necromancy roots and who don't see how stealing familiars from nephanti could backfire

...and then the knight templars of solomon join the same group!

>>97912898
Yeah, the Batini being like "Entropy is an illusion, a fake sphere, things are all deterministic and explainable, we simply aren't aligned enough with Unity to see the threads.", and then the Hollow Ones pop in like "TEE HEE, CHAOS MAGIQUE". Hilarious.

The Templars are probably the least explainable ones, they literally don't consider themselves mages, they care more about Rapture schizoposting that makes Chorister theologians groan than to seek Ascension.

>>97912849
>>97912898
>>97912926
I mean, it's clear that it wasn't a pact born out of a shared ideology, but rather about resource consolidation and mutual aid/defense.

>>97912951
True that, it's just that Hollow Ones sort of make everything they touch silly. Wasn't for them and for the now inexplicably shittier Solificati/Children of Knowledge it'd be much less jarring.

>>97911344
This actually gives me an idea for a side quest where the coterie has to hunt down a mage with this merit for thaumaturgy research.

Im not familiar enough with Mage to make a mage npc. What kind of powers should someone with this merit have (in a thematic sense)?

>>97913112
just look at some thaumaturgy paths you like in VTM and give them to the NPC.
Probably Biothaumaturgy, Green Path and Hands of Destruction or the like. Its a lot of effort to make a mage who obeys the rules of both games

>>97913112
A mage with that is almost guaranteed to be a mage focused on the Life sphere. If you want to represent that through Disciplines rather than learn an entirely new system for this one NPC, then you should give them a combination of Potence, Celerity, Fortitude, Protean, Vicissitude and Obeah powers. The paths suggested by >>97913155 are also acceptable. The baseline stats should be rather human and fragile, though the mage should be capable of boosting them like vampires do with blood points. Ideally, a mage should be played craftily and intelligently, as their fragile humanity make them squishy and if you play them stupidly, the coterie could probably wipe the floor with them in a minute.

>>97910490
I'm down for V20. Version I played was Revised but from what I understand V20 is just the same but better and more refined.

>>97913257
Biggest change is celerity nerfs.

>>97912062
Given the existence of the Hierarchy, there are plenty of ways to play Wraith: the Oblivion with all the political intrigues of Vampire: the Masquerade.

>>97913262
Nice. Celerity when I played was impossible to balance, I altered it about 5 times because of how broken a character with it was.

>>97912962
Hollow Ones are fine. When looking at how magic in Mage the Ascension works, the organic manner in which they operate and put together their individual magical practices is exactly how a late millennial or zoomer who is steeped in pop culture instead of the occult would make sense of their magic.
Is it cringe? A little, but it makes sense that these pop culture nihilists would gravitate towards each other and away from the self-serious Traditions, who shun them due to their magic not being grounded in any sort of sensible structure. To me, Hollow Ones make perfect sense in the world of MtA, even if the fact that their magic is cobbled together out of media, memes and cultural detritus can make it hard to take them seriously at times.

>>97913449
They would be sort of fine if they were more Crowley-ian Chaos Magicians of "what truly matters is the symbol, the rest is just fluff", which is what they effectively are in some writeups, my issue is with all the other writeups.

And admittedly I am biased because my first Mage experience was in a Discord living server with the most insufferable Hollow One conceivable, like, alchemically concocted to be a naive drama queen. Fortunately I started playing with my friends IRL afterwards.

>>97913534
>"what truly matters is the symbol, the rest is just fluff"
That is how they operate on the higher level, but all lower level mages have to believe in the fluff to some degree if they want to make magic happen. I'll confess that the way they are written in Forbidden and Forgotten Orders is fucking obnoxious and I have no doubt that the Hollow One drama queen you mention was equally tedious, I still believe that they have a place in the setting. When the Hermetics and Akashics and Verbenae are all taking themselves way too seriously, you can always lighten the mood by lobbing a gothic lolita necromancer, trailer park Sailor Moon and bipolar Harry Potter fan into the mix.

Werewolf "blogger" heh here. Today's my second game

Our group:
>Silent Strider ragabash lupus, D&D ranger type
>Bone Gnawer ragabash homid, hobo goth girl who dislikes living in cities and used to be part of a werewolf street hood gang
>Stargazer ahroun lupus, wants to be chill and talks things out but utterly fails at it and goes balistic
>Red Talon metis ahroun, guy in his 30s with a dead end janny job, a miserable marriage with a kinfolk and a all around shit life

So the players blitzed my intrigue of spending 7 days and nights in a city spied by a hollow man.
They still have 6 days and nights to go. They have been instructed not to get into contact with the Nation and survive on their own. They all decided to hole up in in the Red Talon's apartment.

So far the story elements I have spread around:
>The Hollow man was a kinfolk working for the Bone Gnawer local group, in charge of watching over the Tribe's loot stored in rentable warehouses
>He dissapeared after looting a dumpster from the local O'Tolley's
>Metis has a day job, I was thinking that he could gleam some info about important stuff happening
>Metis wife is increasingly furious about living with 3 more garous. Eventually it would lead with her getting in contact with a Skin Dancer and becoming one too. I will have to refine that.
>Hobo goth girl's gang still roams the streets, used to be led by her father. I mentioned that she hasn't seen her group in over a year, and that she hasn't heard of her father in a while. I was thinking that the garous and older kinfolk would have left town on some quest and a BSD took over. The gang went from petty thefts and small dabble in drugs into violent gang warfare and drug trade

>>97913534
>which is what they effectively are in some writeups, my issue is with all the other writeups.
the hollow ones are funny when it comes to that because their tradition book easily their best write up because it's the only place where they aren't KOOL GOTH KIDS, but instead talk about symbols, emulating your own avatar (and being one of the few factions that figures out that different traditions and crafts have different kind of avatars) and romanticizing the past while still showing serious character flaws in that they don't care about the ascension of the masses "because look a them" and that they are romanticizing the victorian era a bit too much to see it's flaws.
and that's mostly because it was written by Tadd McDivitt who was not a wod writer at all he worked at white wolf but he was mostly there for the ravenloft books his only other wod output was one dreamin book "Denizens of the Dreaming"

meanwhile the current writing team misses the point of them so hard that they have them around in victorian mage and still be victorian goths
and even before victorian mage the revised hollow ones would not build a alliance like they did in m20 these are the guys that made rotes that let them opt out of capitalism and decided that this was good enough a rebelion against the syndicate because as long as it does not affect them who cares

sorry if i am rambling but the hollow ones are one of the factions i feel have been done seriously dirty with m20 after revised did a lot of effort to fix them (again they bought in a writer from a completely different setting just for them) only for the guy who fucked them up in the first place to come back and piss all over them again and make it even worse

>>97913647
>these are the guys that made rotes that let them opt out of capitalism and decided that this was good enough a rebelion against the syndicate
lmao

>>97913647
Nah, it's understandable, potentially they're really cool if you want to make a Byronic anti-hero, a Baudelaire-like symbolist, or as >>97913595 said, just someone who looks at magic with a way that doesn't coincide with self-aggrandizing definitions.

But I'd argue, out of my experiences (not just that one I mentioned) many players really just gravitate towards the more shallow vision of Hollow Ones because let's be real, WoD players are more likely to be into goth bitches than to actually be hardcore into William Blake.

>>97913674
yeah the rote makes it so that you can find everything you need either for free or for next to nothing at a drift store. It's actually really close to the magic the syndicate themselves use to pay for stuff with quint, but i doubt the hollow ones know that

when the hollow ones are interested in fighting the ascension war they usually use moles (which workes simply because don't look goth and hollow ones have a easy time adding other stuff to their patchwork magic system) and their global offline information nextwork (the railroad) but only around one third of the craft even give a shit about fighting the war (which again makes the craft alliance so bafflingly out of character) as most of them that have been mages for longer than a year prefer to either study other splats, the metaphysical trinity, create their first horizon realms or fight nephanti (nephandus killed one of their founders or something like that) with the last one being something they are surprisingly good at to the point where their signature character is known to just bully the nephanti signature character

>>97913601
>Werewolf but instead about fucking the corporation it's about your family fucking you
Damn

(Silent Strider = Nakia, Stargazer = Stig, Bone Gnawer = Amber and Red Talon = Rémis)

So yeah today’s challenge is
>Building up the encounters and stories for a whole week
>If the group is ever separated, I’ll have to time myself so no one spends more than 10-15 minutes without anything happening to them. Nearly lost Nakia’s player because he had to wait an hour last time.
>Setting up some music. Should find a bot for discord or something
>Trying to develop organically the falling out with Rémis’ wife, Britney. Not too fast, not too slow. Also I should correct myself. I stated that most kinfolks are left in the dark and are only told the basics of gaian spirituality (Britney had 0 knowledge about the Wyrm and its servants). I’ll rectify that. I’ll have them discover that Britney has always been a rebellious kinfolk and as a concern of safety she was barely told anything. Even after the “grew up”.
>Have something from Nakia and Stig’s past come up, since the arc has a focus on the city where Rémis and Amber were born. Stig has some BSD enemies… probably one of them could be the new leader of Amber’s old gang. Nakia wants to learn about his ancestors, he mentioned to me that one of them was crucial to defeat a powerful setite in the past. Perhaps the street gang has some kindred, or the new drugs they’re peddling is made with vitae?

And more stuff…

I have not abandoned the Dagon project. It will have it’s first proper session in Summer. There will be people. I will be Storyteller. I will read the VtM book to know what the fuck im doing. I will actually make a Chronicle. I will actually run a chronicle. This won’t go the way of Leviathan. This will be the second coming of Highlander

>>97914159
based and fishpilled

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Any recommendations on ideas for an innocents game?

>>97914068
The official youtube channel had some playlists for their games here's their Woof one you could set it on repeat or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehbyqHnUZE8

>>97910870
>https://files.catbox.moe/8y9z3j.pdf
Lol, nice work.

I got into WoD last year and I am here to do my part and keep this thread alive.

I also spent 70 dollars on a hardcover, full color version of the V20 sourcebook cause I got tired of scroooooooooolllingggg through 700 pdf pages. I can't wait until it arrives.

>>97910740
I feel so faceblind because I thought the rainbow hair was Proxie Paige in her bbw era.

>>97914762
god bless you

>>97910830
>Demon had a hunter book

Huh. Didn't know that.

>>97912775
I don't really know mage, but I have heard often that M20 has a lot of problems.

>>97914786
Yeah, though as said, it didn't have much in the way of rules or stuff for hunters to use, other than a few types of rituals and blessed items.
Plus, half the book was fiction (as was the thrall book, though that one had a bit more meat to what kinds of blessings you could give thralls), not the worst fiction, but still.
I did like the example hunter stories in said fiction:
>Guy gets blackmailed into helping his now demon-possessed cousin, helps a priest from his jewish congregation trap the demon only for the demon to turn out to be an unwilling servant to an Earthbound and said priest to become a more willing servant to it instead.
>A bunch of former thralls teaming up to kill the 'bad' demons, only for the whole operation to turn out to be one of their 'former' master's schemes to take out its rivals
>A trio of dads get recruited by a sketchy guy to find their missing kids who got kidnapped by demons, ends bittersweetly with the main guy the only survivor but with his kid possessed by a seemingly low-torment Slayer

>>97914762
Game soon I hope anon

>>97910791
I wouldn't quite say "can't stand", but Rage Across Australia is... weird. Not very well edited. Full of stuff that makes it seem like it should be early days weirdness for the line (like fertile metis), despite being released well into 2nd edition. It was the first White Wolf writing credit for the authors but the editor was an old hand, I get the feeling he just didn't read the thing, despite it being the first place to tackle a really major part of woof lore (what happened to the Bunyip).

>>97915105
>fertile metis
Australia must be nuked

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>>97915130
Also there's a Black Spiral Dancer cub named "Bluey" which is kind of hilarious now.

>>97915130
Sorry, nuke budget was used up on India. Feel free to fill out the proper paperwork though!

>>97915164
>Darren is a product of a rape
I can't hear this without cracking up ever since the Sseth Arcanum video.
>Two years fully grown
Jesus how horrifying, the pregnancy must have been some hyper type of horror.

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>>97911415
>tfw unironically playing a mtf transsexual pornstar in my solo Chicago game
Call it trannymisce all you want, I'm having fun using it as a platform to explore sexual dimorphism in animals and planning eventually to go full insect-mode in pursuit of Azhi Dahaka.
STV Viscissitude Expanded is an amazing supplement.

>>97915432
>Trans formerly guy Tzimisce going all the way into the spectrum to become an insect
There is something about this, but this sounds very Tzimisce.

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>>97914595
Summer Camp setting. Plenty of opportunities for spooky things in the woods. One of the camp counselors is a Setite.

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>>97915463
NGL I was struggling to put the whole gender change mentality into a coherent process, played around with the idea of a Slaneesh tier demon with the paths of Lilith or Sin but that seemed cliché. Started thinking about manifesting animal shapes with different sexual dimorphism, and from that came the Insect idea. Become Brundlefly. Truly a beautiful efficient lifeform existing only to affirm itself on the food chain. A being without need or concept of social performance or identity. Eliminate the ego and the need for it. Becoming pragmatic and efficient. Using the butterfly metaphor they like for transformation into a truly ultimate lifeform. Hive Minded merit is a blessing too for Schlatza ideas.

Is there a way to make werewolves playable? >>97902122

>>97916311
Play Werewolf: The Apocalypse.

>>97916478
I mean REAL werewolves.

>>97916536
Promethean: The Created

>>97916568
I said REAL werewolves.

>>97916579
If you're talking about full moon forced transformation werewolves ala the wolfman, thats not real werewolves. Thats a fiction invented by Hollywood in the 1930s. Real werewolves are alot more like in Werewolf the Apocalypse. What with the willing transformations and the pagan influences.

>>97916602
Give me ten examples of WtA's fake werewolves actually existing in pop culture and folklore.

>>97916579
Hunter: The Reckoning as ST then.
Anyway, what's so bad in being a vampire? You get a super-dopamine option, that doesn't runs out and can be picked as easy as a fruit in Eden off the street. You get superpowers, that only get stronger over time. You get, well, time for those powers to get stronger. Problems with other vampires? Other splats including humans have much worse problems, humans, in fact, especially, as everybody is just using them. Beast? Paths exist, and even if you would fail, you'd never even understood that. Noy being able to go under the sun might be a problem, but just be good - and sun is an option again for you eventually. Nobody says you HAVE to climb ranks, with the amount of places to live and density of vampires and other splats per humanity you can always find your own niche without crossing anybody else's path. And if Gehenna is inevitable anyway - everybody will bite the bullet, so why not get yourself a nice happy life prolongation along with a super-orgasm button included?

>>97916614
But those aren't playable. I'm talking about REAL werewolves that are playable.

>>97916621
Odin's viking gangrel gang then. As real werewolves as possible.

>>97916630
But those aren't werewolves, those are vampires. I mean REAL werewolves.

Guys, obvious bait should be ignoree

>>97916536
>>97916579
Listen here, you little twat. I know what you want. I’d ask, “Okay, so if the werewolves worked like you wanted them to, instead of the Garou, what would you even do in the game?”. Then you would say some stupid shit like, oh I have to struggle not to hurt my loved one, always trying to keep the beast at bay. Or I have to be constantly moving from town to town to avoid trouble, like you’re Bruce Fucking Banner from the 70s Hulk show. And to that I say: BORING!!!! Whine all you want about how the Garou don’t fit your expectations of a werewolf, WtA ultimately gives being a Werewolf a society to politick in and a purpose to fulfill that leads to infinitely more diverse and fun Chronicles than whatever the premise you’re so autistically focused on could ever shit out.

TOTAL WYRM DEATH

>>97916639
Werewolf the Apocalypse werewolves are furry caricatures, not REAL werewolves.

>>97916635
Play Werewolf: The Apocalypse.

>>97916643
Here’s your (You). Now begone with you. I’m going to watch Latina MILF porn now. Ta ta.

>>97916645
I said REAL werewolves.

>>97916614
>Anyway, what's so bad in being a vampire?
You need to have a truly colossal stick up your ass if you ever want to enjoy food or sex again. You're cut off from any family or friends before and pretty much all of your new ones are trying to use you, kill you, or both. And you've got a years to decades long stretch of being somebody's bitch until you're allowed out on your own.

For all the promises of eternity the average vamp lifespan is often shorter than if they'd never been embraced.

>>97916674
>You need to have a truly colossal stick up your ass if you ever want to enjoy food or sex again.
I've got blood which is better than both of those combined and multiplied by ten.
>You're cut off from any family or friends before and pretty much all of your new ones are trying to use you, kill you, or both.
Just play a sociopath and that doesn't matter at all.
>And you've got a years to decades long stretch of being somebody's bitch until you're allowed out on your own.
Not if you're smart.
>For all the promises of eternity the average vamp lifespan is often shorter than if they'd never been embraced.
Just play an intelligent, ruthless vampire who doesn't let their humanity get in their way and you'll end up in charge in short order.

>>97916692
Let me guess, hubris is a coward's word?

>>97916694
Why are you upset that I've figured out how to game the system?

>>97916692
Hello, yes, Sheriff, another Ventrue babby escaped containment from the padded room, don't you have an ipad with flashing stock charts to keep him quiet? He's ruining the vibe for everyone else. I'm trying to ragebait the Brujah by shittalking Carthage, it's very important for me.

>>97916712
Not an argument.

>>97916692
>Just play a sociopath and that doesn't matter at all.
Then you get other problems like shit impulse control.

>>97916614
>What's so bad in getting an ancient STD that you probably didn't want in the first place?
The odds of getting to the point where you're super powerful and ancient ain't that good. You're better off hoping to awaken your avatar and do magic shit in secret.

>>97916723
Not if I'm intelligent enough to not have shit impulse control.

Beckett in Bloodlines is one of the worst GMPCs of all time, 90% of his discussion with you is written in a way your character comes off as retarded and he comes off as smug and intelligent. Rest of the game is fine but his writing is Dragon Age 2 Felicia Day tier writing

>>97916852
>babby fresh out of the embrace seems dumb
>researcher with centuries of experience seems smart
oh noooooooo

My group is two sessions into a PtH chronicle (Vocation Edition, mashed together with old WoD) Our group is as follows.
>12 year old jap girl with a magic full-auto 1911 and an older sister who got turned into a 15th gen vampire 3 months ago (this is mine)
>Some dude who's parents died because of magical girls. He can also move water with his mind.
>Pooka kinain doggirl who is a golden retriever trained by Yakub himself. Retard strength and one whole braincell. Also a lifetime supply of peanut butter.
>Schizo Argentinian mage belonging to a cult founded by former SS officers. Player described him as "Spiritually Thanquol"
>Literally just Daiya Fortuna magical girl, cannibalism and all
>Prissy German lady who's a proper magical girl
>Bootleg Madoka who loves flowers and is our healer. Also homeless.
>25 year old Japanese wigger girl who transforms into Dave Blunts. Also tells people she has ties to an American gang called the Rollin' Heights Ballas (Yes, the one from GTA. No, they don't exist.)

Anyway, we have been contracted by legally distinct Kyubey to KILL DRACULA FLOW. Also the wigger girl may have sold our souls to this fox for a nonexistent hellcat.

>>97916929
Sounds hype as fuck anon. Also
>Nonestop doggystyle sex with golden retriever doggirl till we have 20 half dog children.

https://files.catbox.moe/n9v5ap.odt

Anyway, wrote this for my group. It's for PtH Vocation Edition. New Invocation based on DtF Lore of the Forge.

>>97916976
Sending this to the guy playing her. This is the type of shit he'd say.

>>97916980
>Maelfactor

>>97916989
Yep. Made for an NPC magical girl who has a pact with one.

>>97916992
Was more commenting on the misspelling of Malefactor, but the Invocation itself looks cool.

>>97916994
Ah that. It was intentional to call it Mael since Male isn't great for an invocation name imo. If I actually mispelled Malefactor there, it's because I wrote this after being up for over 24 hours.

>>97916651
I get you, Euthanatoi specializing in Life who lose themselves to jhor

>>97914595
Play in a setting where being a child matters more.

Worst changes introduced in the newer editions? (We can skip 5th edition for obvious reasons)

>>97916311
Too niche to get right I think and everyone interested in playing one has their own take on what they should be
>Violent full moon psycho
>Punished good boy who dindu
>Le furry high T sex monster
>Some dude's spiritual awakening (into a furry)
>Just some guy who turns into a dog
>Certified loverboy, certified pedophile

In an RPG a bigger problem is statting them appropriately to the game engine for a PC
>WoD
Completely fine because WtA is built for ridiculous bullshit, it's diddle or get diddled.
>DnD
Regen and immunity to normal attacks is overpowered on a player character without earning it, so no DM other than masochists are going to bother
>PF
Much more bullshit, and I don't believe it has actual werewolves
>Warhammer
They're more like insane berserkers in this one, and chaos-aligned to boot
>Urban Fantasy small games
Most of the ones I see just have them be slightly normal guys or have a focus on packs and territory

>>97916643
Furries have inmate psychosis making them want to rip and tear and also regenerate from mostly all wounds?

>>97916983
Throw me to the dog(girls) and I'll come home a father.

>>97917161
Godspeed.
She became temporarily retarded last session after drinking sea water btw. Temporarily lost 1 intelligence, and that 1 dot was all she had in the first place.

>>97917202
>Retarded doggirl manic pixie dream girl with retard strength
Anon... She's perfect. Imagine the shattered pelvises