Promises Made Promises Kept Edition>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Do you make / have you considered making your first (or pet) deck into the most powerful deck it can be in the powerlevel (in bracket terms) it can be? Or do you just dissassemble them when you feel they've run their course?
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Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
What are some actually good sorceries/instants for him? Feels like the majority of R/W big mana sorceries are nono MLD or shit.
>>97916352there are lots of funny big mana red spells that deal big damage
>>97916352This dude loots every turn, just play Aproach of the 2nd Sun
>>97916352Any top of deck tutor + this
>>97916352Here's a deck idea that you can run precisely once, and then everyone will see him as kill on sight to prevent you from popping off after untapping with him
Reminder she was literally never Fire Lordhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRkI15fIJ1w
What the fuck are you supposed to copy with the otter in the prismari precon in the best case scenario? People yap how its so much better than the woman but outside of warcrimes with Storm Kiln on instant speed I don't really see it
>>97916402Nobody cares.
>>97916402>fight over who gets the titleYeah that's literally a succession ritual, retard.
>>97916402Why didn't they adapt any scene from the Boiling Rock comic?
>>97916300What the fuck is this ChatGPT-ass TQ?
>>979164201. Not ordinarily part of fire nation succession2. She fucking lost, retard.I linked you the scene, she's about to be crowned and literally tells them to wait and that she and Zuko will fight for it. The art on the fucking card is from that fight. She was not and never was Fire Lord
I'm trans by the way
>>97916402And The Toymaker is a God but didn't get God typing. No one cares
Previous thread was still on page 5.Fuck off.
>>97912922 >TQMy favorite hidden tech is to always threaten a bake with furfag's furry shit in the OP so this schizo has to promptly make a new bake every time
>>97916445Uh oh furfag melty
My favorite tech is being an autistic nigger that removes the proxy link from the OP because he's that obsessed with proxies.
>>97916454But you can proxy for free with a sharpie?
>>97916437I don't understand this ritual.
>>97916461He bears his secrets well
>>97916417also if i do happen to copy a massive rootha elemental and then clone the changed muddle copies also retain myriad or is it non-inheritable?
>>97916402>>97916430She effectively was for about 2 seconds. Then made a fool of herself in front of everyone by not only getting completely outskilled by an objectively weak firebender but trying to attack a spectator during a sacred duel.What title would you have preferred anon? Fire Jobber Azula perhaps?Really weird thing to be autistic about in this thread of all things though.
>>97916451Uh oh schizo melty Keep baking a new thread way too early because you're triggered
>>97916481>Fire Jobber AzulaYes
Azula was too fat anyway.
>no new hot teacher LilianaWhy did they deny me this? I've been good.
>>97916577I stopped liking her when I learned she talks like a Bostonian.
>>97916461There was an annoying guy obsessed with squirrels, he left years ago, but set up a bot to post Toski each thread as a last fuck you.
>>97916609I doubt that
>>97916609Is it still okay to like Bloomburrow squirrels?
>you don't own the card>therefore you don't get to use itWhat is so difficult to understand about this?
>>97916688Consumerist slave mentality.
>>97916609I've set up several bots to argue with anons here, it's quite possible to do. It's amusing reading anons get heated over them. Though I have no way of knowing those aren't bots too
>>97916695I like this bot especially. Explaining how I made bots
>>97916688But I get to use it. Like you can't stop me. I don't own it, yet I play a printout. You can larp all you want but I'm in my LGS corner with my buddies using it
Everyone keeps telling me +1/+1 counters aren't shit and I keep killing them with this dumbass card.
>>97916705Me too. It's get boring to play bracket 1 games all the time tho.
>>97916717
>>97916705no see unless it's a combo piece or something that gets you a combo piece it's uselesscEDH players don't actually play magic the gathering, they play poker.
>Autist is back to removing the proxy link from the OP so now we have to start fucking baking early againI hate this general so fucking much.
>>97916730You know you don't "have" to right? They are not mandatory. You can be at peace with the links being absent for one thread.>inb4 ITS YOU MY MORTAL ENEMYI proxy and I will include the links when I bake. I just have no place in your imaginary internet feud
Is he always kill on sight? It's an amazing discard engine for yet another gy deck rather than trust miracle or try to manipulate topdeck
>>97916771>Setup+Payoff on same card>Payoff is infinite manacheatIt doesn't take a genius to figure this one out.
>>97916730He was in a rush. Forgot the previous thread in OP. Sloppy. He was anxious
>>97916743NTA but I make a thread here and there, I won't bake.
>play land enchantments as my main gimmick>indestructible lands just in case too>some motherfucker was unironically running this in his "shitty artifacts deck"I didn't even know this was a real card, what the fuck
>>97912961>>97916441>Previous thread was still on page 5.>Fuck off.New ritualpost unlocked?
>>97916838No, there are certain retards who care deeply which links are in the OP. Similarly there are other mongoloids who get heavily triggered whenever somebody makes a thread too early. Other people get mad when somebody doesn't immediately make a thread when the old one gets archived. We have currently an OP war going on, so that won't happen soon.They have literally nothing else in their life going on besides 4chan board culture and only doing what you're supposed to do.A very miserable existence
>>97916402Her dad made her Fire Lord when he named himself Phoenix Lord.
>>97916833Never be surprised to find out there's a hyper specific card that specifically counters a niche gimmick you decided to use..
>>97916833"budget nykthos" by stacking enchantments on a land isn't that unpopular
>>97916849Phoenix King, but yes
>>97916833That's funny lolGet sweeped fag
>>97916833>I didn't even know this was a real card, what the fuckI get to use the card I want whether it's real or not. Like you can't stop me.
>>97916771Another card that can only be played in mtgo since people can’t be trusted
>>97916930You have to be reasonably good at sleight of hand to not make it obvious you're trying to cheat with miracle
>>97916846It sounds like /edhg/ really just doesn't want there to be a thread.
>>97916975There have been many instances where no new thread was made even as the old one became archived so in a way /edhg/ takes baking very casually
>play with the same friends every time>the other decks are dragon tribal Ur-Dragon, artifact spinning wheels deck that does nothing for 3 hours and Witherbloom>I am Garth and everyone tries to cut a deal with me to fuck over the other twothis is my life...
>>97916975It's pretty clear most posters would rather discuss the thread itself or repeat the same two shitposts ad nauseum than actually talk about EDH. And that's not fun for anyone.
>>97916771>unwinding clock+sol ring to play every topdeck even if tapped outyes
>>97916771Yes. No one is doing anything honest with this and it is very likely to be played as a seething faggot's MLD list just like the first Lorehold.
>>97916352Is this AI generated? When did wizards start doing this?
>>97916300>Do you make / have you considered making your first (or pet) deck into the most powerful deck it can be in the powerlevel (in bracket terms) it can be? No. This game is a ponzi scheme and the idea of moving my decks up anywhere beyond bracket 1 makes me physically ill.
>>97917250>This game is a ponzi schemeIt's actually a pvp game based on artificial scarcity of cards obtained randomly through booster packs
>>97916300>Do you make / have you considered making your first (or pet) deck into the most powerful deck it can be in the powerlevel (in bracket terms) it can be?I'm never going to put Master of Cruelties into Kaalia, no
>>97917265>pvp game based on artificial scarcity of cards obtained randomly through booster packsThen why can I pay like $10 to skip having to randomly acquire the card?
>>97917290I can also sharpie a basic land saying it's an uncounterable card 0 mana instant that says i win the game, your point?
>>97917295I can just punch you in the face. Your point?
>>97917242AI unironically makes less ridiculous cards than WotC.
I bought a bunch of proxies recently
Which plane has the sexiest vampires?
>>97916930how many disingenious niggers do you play with that it's a realistic concern?
>>97917297I love it when proxytards are shown the logical conclusion of their retardation
>>97917307I was talking about buying the card instead of randomly pulling it from a pack, genius.
>>97917307Proxying a card that actually exists isn't the same as just making shit up as you go along.>Bro let's play chess>My pawn makes it to the opposite side of the board, I'll swap it out for a Queen>Well MY pawn makes it to the opposite side of the board and it turns into a piece that can move 93 times per turn, I win.I hope you can tell the difference between these two things.
>>97917311Lulu my beloved
>>97917316>making a card that didnt come out of wotc's printers? Good>making a card that didnt come out of wotc's r&d? Le badLmao
>>97917308That's just you subsidizing the box opening funds of your local seller/online store of choice/your drafters, which is fine
>>97917322You're the type of faggot to sit down to a TTRPG with a 40 page backstory for your character to explain why you're trying to start the campaign with a +5 greatsword and expecting the GM to just roll with it.
>>97917322Glad we're on the same page.
>>97916300>tqmy first? kinda already did but turns out xenagos plateaus rather earlymy pet? my favorite one is as strong as I want already even if it's not the most optimal and for normal decks depends, some i brew and dismantle the moment the play pattern is going to be boring af and the fantasy of it isn't enough to pull it up. Some other i just grow bored of the playstyle and just leave it be if it's not using pieces that are in demand by newer decks regardless of the brackets but if i set myself to specific one i try not to cross it
>>97917307Good piggy.
>>97917336>yes i'm doubling down now do what i say because i'm poor
>>97917340Happy to fund your free entertainment :)
>>97917330But enough about poorfags buying from chang
Building picrel as a high bracket 2. I threw in a bunch of the 2-mana "create two tokens" cards and similar and figured I'll run out the commander T3. The lategame plan is to use the commander's sacrifice ability to keep a board full of tokens while dropping a symmetrical boardwipe (ideally, with a same-turn resurrection effect like Brought Back to dodge commander tax) - or to just overrun if I can get wide enough that the other players having blockers doesn't matter.What should I be looking to drop in the 1-3 turns after Darien comes down? I feel like I should have some ramp at that mana value to get to 7-8 mana so I can feasibly do the wipe & sacrifice above, but I also definitely need more token generation to be able to actually swing for lethal once I go for that play. Trying to mostly avoid creature cards in this deck unless they have a very significant impact, or survive the boardwipe strategy.
>>97917438Awaken the Woods, Mirari's Wake for ramp, and Buried in the Garden for spot removal
>>97917438Put in there an infinite mana combo too since darien is a mana sink himself
>>97917449Also Springleaf Parade. Maybe Skyshroud Claim and Migration Path.Also be aware of 5 or less mana instants since you can hold up mana and if you don't need to cast it spend the mana on Darien's ability. Things like Fracturing Gust, Sylvan Reclamation, Miraculous Recovery, etc
>>97916771It looks cool as a discard commander but even if you build it "fair" it's going to do stupid shit.
>>97917471>>97917478I was not really thinking about building around Darien's mana ability, since he loses the counters when sacrificing himself for the board and it seems like a generally inefficient rate for token generation. Is disregarding it a big mistake?
opinions on starwinder and quantum riddler in orvar shell? or are they just too bad compared to just cloning orvar and mulldrifter over and over again?
>>97917496There's nothing inefficient when it comes to infinite mana and there will always be a situation when they simply have no board wipe so might as well go infinite tokens and if you have a haste enabler even better
>>97917242You know there is an artist name on the card that you can go see their body of work.
>edh tournamentsany other instant LGS filter?
>>97917562House banlists.
>>97917562Unlimited mulligansHumblebragging you won via proxying a perfect manabase while your opponents have taplandsBanning infinite combos because you cant handle it turn 9 in b2
>>97916352>Every important card in every set has to have 50 lines of text >No room for any flavor text LMAO
>>97917496I think you're focusing on the better part (the sac ability) but I wouldn't disregard the other ability entirely. It's a fine mana sink to keep expanding without losing the opportunity cost of leaving Settle the Wreckage mana up or something like that.And yeah, mana sink if you're in an environment where infinte mana is appropriate
What's her power level
>>97917594ah...sovl...
>>979176962
>>97917594Tbf if you're not a histrionic fag you realize that most of the bloat is reminder text
>>97917696>its
Casual reminder that MPCFill also lets you proxy all Planechase and Archenemy cards.
Whatever happened with the TMNT co-op game mode? Haven't heard a single thing about it since the set dropped.
>>97917753It was just a pre release gimmick, wasn't it?
>>97917696>tfw no bespectacled beanpole tradcath cartographer vampire goth gf
>>97917767Why did you put kellen there. You gay?
>>97917562Hosts prerelease eventsUnironically.
>>97917767can ixalan vamps be bred?
>>97917696Very strong if built properly. Million triggers to track, not for the faint of heart.
>>97917778Maybe. Personally I doubt it. But even if they can the offspring would likely not be a vampire.
>>97917769I'm jealous of that manlet because he got the goth gf.
>>97916771Miracle could be fixed if it had you reveal the first card you draw each turn.
>>97917899You already need to do this if you intend on casting a card with Miracle. You don't get to shuffle it into your hand then declare Miracle trigger despite what some retards will tell you.
Glad /edhg/ sees Lorehold is the strongest of the new dragons. Feels like every retard cums and shits their pants when they see> "omg storm omg omg like storm, storm all spells" Nigger, it is a seven fucking mana dragon with no protecting that does literally nothing the turn it drops unless you have 2 million mana. Meanwhile Lorehold can fucking hit a dude for 5 commander and will loot you 3 cards by the time it makes it back to your turn. I look forward to instantly STP'ing Pissmari.
>>97917311I get it, but there's a lot more lifegain and ways to use that card in sos limited than there were in ff. also there's six sign in blood effects in sos, so they're going for something on purpose.
>>97918080Lorehold and Silverquill feel like the stand outs this time. Prismari is boring and kind of bad. Witherbloom and Quandrix are alright.
>>97918096Silverquill is in shit colors unfortunately for spell slinging, the best you can do is copy tutors, which is absolutely lame. There are better Exsanguinate/Hailfire of Torment engines.
>>97917769>kellenShe goes by Oona now, thank you.
>>97918080Silverquill is the sleeper hit desu
>>97918080Dude it has ward. No I won't read what the ward cost is. Ward is just Hexproof!
>>97918080????Witherbloom shits on the entire cycle, and if you can't tell that from a glance you're retarded
>>97918192>It costs 2 (two) more mana to use my kill spell on the creacherabsolutely debilitating, I'll never financially recover
>>97918206Lorehold will average out better than Witherbloom
>>97918235lol
>>97918223Prismari doesn't even have a real ward cost lol. It's a life payment.
>>97917696There's a million ways to combo kill everyone and she's two mana, so high.
Pictured: the totality of elder demons in all of MTG.Not pictured: Griselbitch, who is not an elder demon and will never be ballin with those stupid ass sword arms of his.
>>97918282None of them even have flavor text. Gay shit if you ask me.
>>97918235>weaker colors>you lose if he gets removed and you have to recast him>once per turn effect that requires setupLorehold is more FUN, but Witherbloom is legit busted
>>97918282>Vulvamoth is literally the wall>flying
TQ: I generally did do that with not my first commander but one of the first ones I ever picked and its now a pretty sick bracket 4.5 deck possibly even a b5 meta disruptor but cedh isn't real commander anywayBracket 4: S-CDR (strategic commander)Bracket 5: "cedh" (combo racer; not competitive or commander)
>>97916352who says MLD is a "no no"? counter that spell then. the brackets are only a year old and are not official rules and are not banned. faggots who complain about their lands being destroyed are often the same faggots who complain if you open the game with Leyline of Singularity or Leyline of the Void because they wanted to create 10k tokens or cheat shit out of the graveyardthe amount of people who don't have disenchant/naturalize/feed the swarm or run Beast Within (yet another color pie break green shouldn't have) as their only removal is directly proportional to the amount of MLD crybabies
/edhg/ continues to demonstrate why they post here instead of playing.
>>97918403I only play one day a week. Rest of the time, I'm here. just jackin' it.
>>97918403>play 4 days out of the week, 2 days are randoms with 40+ random players >post here with my stories>FAKE DIDNT HAPPEN FAKE FAKE FAKE
>>97918366If you can have mld i can have my consistent turn 5 combo from the cz w/o GCs, infinites are part of the game as mld and it aint my problem b2 cant keep up
>>97918465If only we had an image to describe this phenomenon...
>>97916352Miracle is a nice bonus, but I think I am going to build him leaning into "when cards leave the GY" synergy.
>>97917748I played planechase recently. Very fun. We started with Naya so the 1st game was over on turn 3.
>>97918468>6 manaWeak sauce.Needing to answer 3-drops is a core part of the game.
>>97918485She cute.
>>97918485>3 manaPathetic. The future is Badgermole Cubs.
>>97918485If you cant handle a 0 drop your deck SUCKS
Rare instance of /edhg/ actually demonstrating the flaw in someone's reasoning correctly with examples.
>>97918492I don't like this druid.
>>97918510It's fine to dislike Kinnan he's literally retarded
>>97918506Vaguepost king
>>97918158This, I pulled a foil and I'm already starting to brew a list
>play "fair" infect >no proliferate>one counter a turn, on one player a turn>no sudden infect pump or combat tricks>lifegain player whines before we even draw>whines the entire time>burn player kills, probably just to shut him up>life gain player wins because the other two have no anti-heal in their deck
>>97918626I have probably the fairest infect deck around, Skrelv + personal rule where I have to kill the entire table at the same time, and people still complain. No infinite combos, no mass proliferates, cost me like 25bux to build cuz it's all commons/uncommons, people still fucking refuse to play against it
>>97918424why more people dont play MTGO is truly baffling
>>97918626Either accept no one likes infect and be the archenemy or play a different deck
>>97918495partners need to be banned because its anti commander
>>97918626no proliferate isn't a "fair" infect deck its a neutered one. infect and proliferate were the 2 new mechanics of Scars of Mirrodin (you remember that right?) and are meant to be played together. not using proliferation effects with infect is...mind-boggling to put it one way
>>97918735skithiryx is the most fair infect commander because mono black sucks generally, and to cast him with haste its a 6 drop, like and elder dragon the best way to win with infect though is to cast Caress of Phyrexia when they're at 7 poison counters though
>>97918827If mono black sucked people wouldnt be crying to gavin about discard/sac/boardwipe/tutors/lifedrain
>>97918827>mono black sucks generallyThis is how we know you're bad at the game.
>>97918760Playing more than I do would burn me out, which I don't want to do either. So once a week is fine for me.
>>97918784>The same cedhtards who say the hybrid change would go against the spirit of commander won't stop playing partners
>>97919165I like turbo naus AND pro hybrid tho
>>97919165Where have you picked up this notion that cedh players and anti hybrid casuals are the same group of people?
I am anti-control. I hate control! I hate plans. I want to roll the dice, and I want feel that shit in my veins https://archidekt.com/decks/11611244/indoraptor_the_burn_engine
>>97918784Partner is only ass when you have to track commander damage seperately.
>>97919197Sometimes I question what the point of running a single instance of reanimate is. I usually end up cutting it for more consistency elsewhere.
>>97919197>https://archidekt.com/decks/11611244/indoraptor_the_burn_engineHow are you going to stop me from playing twenty toed toad with a hand full of stupid counterspells and winning?
>>97919197>Tergrid>Bowmastersno anonyou are the control
>>97916771Up until people realize there aren't that many good big mana spells in that color. You're either going to be blowing up everyones lands, changing your life total, or dealing 10 damage on a 9 mana spell.
>>97917594It's like three sentences.
>>97919335Eh, my commander doesn't cost much and sometimes to get an Indo trigger I have to kill him in the process. But if I get off two triggers and reanimate him, I’ll have doubled the +1/+1 counters on him due to all the life my opponents would have lost.>>97919353Can't counter combat NIGGA!>>97919361Orcish only is to trigger IndoTergrid is to encourage you to take the damage
>>97916481>>97916849>I'm a dumb thirdy turdy and have no understanding of what a coronation is forHere's a hint for you, it's more than a formality. You are not king until you are crowned, simple as that.
>>97918366>daring to upset the bracket fags and their perfect systemya don it nao ary porer
>>97919383>Orcish only is to trigger Indo
>>97918495Why do you obsess over this pairing, anyway? It's like you expect everyone to be terrified of it and I don't get why.
>>97919390LMAO That guy is lying because uh...I dunno. Your image didn't have a counter argument. Just an ancient fucking meme.
>>97919380It sucks that not even the extended art version that doesn't explain what Miracle is doesn't even have any flavour text.
Why would I choose to do one (1) damage to your commander when I could do forty (40) damage to you?
>>97919391Silas is there for Ad Nauseum/Thoracle and little elsea zero cost commander completely shits on some of the fundamental limitations of the format
>>97919405This is my thought process when I play Azula with pump spells.
>>97919398you see anon, you don't actually need a counter-argument for something that isn't an argument in the first place! You can just think someone isn't being truthful! Try it out sometime!
>>97919391>youIt's like.. literally THE cEDH pairing, are you fucking retarded?
>>97919435>THE cEDH pairingIts not.
>>97919423Ok but why am I meant to be afraid of this?
>>97918282>tfw no cute Elder AngelsWhy are angels always shafted in the big creatures dragon, demons, angels?
>>979194351/10 bait
>>97919473No point in asking. He's just a larper.
>>97919473imagine a turn 1 Jeska's Will for 7 because that is what they'll be mulliganing for
>>97918282Simple.Clean.Efficient.Has flavor text.
>>97919502Ok. I force of will>uh I counter that with...Ok. I counter that with another free counter spell.We're in bracket 5. You think no one has any response to this and this deck you are posting has a 100% win rate? Is cEDH a solved format?
A hustler’s work is never through!
>>97919481Angels don't need an extra typeline in attempt to ride off>brooo they're like Nicol Bolas!hype, because they're Angels. They are the hype.
>>97919512>this deck you are posting has a 100% win rate?Does in my pod, because I just paid chang and only play 4s.
>>97919512yeah man, not like he won't have free counterspells of his own. Rograkh is a massive mana advantage with the free "control your commander" spells.>Is cEDH a solved format?now you're getting it and the solution is being in seat 1
>>97919524>>97919512Why are you posting this like you only ever played 1v1?Cedh isn't a 1v1.
>>97919524So again: This deck has a 100% win rate in cEDH and the format is solved?
>>97919518Sounds like you are breaking bracket rules?
>>97919541Even if I was. Can't do anything about it.I play underground sea and watch you above ground seethe.
Commanders with this vibe?
>>97919548I don't understand your bait sometimes
>>97919565Go home kid.
>>97919575You are genuinely the most annoying fuck I have seen and I've dealt with fucking farquuad in multiple generals.
>>97919581>He thinks I'm one person
>>97919557>am i cute? uguu~
>>97919557If the vibe is attractive women getting uglier with smaller boobs, severalNot a single female character in all of magic has received a glow up.
>>97919655>boobs are what make you hot
>>97919662No, but taking what breasts you were given and making them smaller and smaller doesn't help.
>>97919662YesMen know this.
>>97919662not many of them have great asses or bodies either.
>>97919481Because wotc hates both mono white and attractive women.
>>97919732The woke bubble will burst someday.Women like sexy women too. Men like handsome sexy men too.
9 left, I cut sol ringhttps://archidekt.com/decks/21764111/ghive
>>97919772woops
>>97919770When's he going to buy WOTC
>>97919788Does he even have interest in magic, and its real and not like "gamer creed" with path to exile?
Is Goldspan likely to drop below $8 because of the reprinting in a precon, or is it too popular to drop more than a few cents?
>>97919793he expressed buying WOTC because D&D went woke but a) I'm not him I so can't report on his inner heart b) I assume every thing he does is 99% performative
>>97919810probably. It went down a lot last time it was in a precon
>>97917562Unlimited proxy use.
>>97918305He's everything and originally a big moth anon
>>97917562Shop has under 7 employees
>players will swords a 1/1 deathtoucher because...he wants to attack you>absolutely zero thoughts about the fact he's putting himself down a card versus two other opponents to do like 5 damage.>enemy niv mizzet in command zone hits board, counterspells my removal, no one else has responses, GG
>>97919927>local place is just a dude, his wife, and his son>one of the most popular LGSs in the city???????????
>guy casts mortality shift with maskwood nexus and lhurgoyf commander out>silverquill player has vedalken orrery >casts pic rel>giant fuck you to me and the goyf player>casts pox plague on his turn and sacs a bunch of his inklings
>>97919950>Equip shadowspear to my Changling Outcast>I can do 2 damage and gain 2 life, and can't block at all. I have nothing else on board and missed a land drop. I am clearly just stalling.>This is worth putting imprisoned in the moon on over another players Hashaton.>The hashaton player proceeds to play something that stops the legend rule, then discards Ojer Taq and then ToxrillI was pretty checked out of the game already, but christ.
>>97919950>players will swords a 1/1 deathtoucher because...he wants to attack youAre you in my friends group???? Holy fuck it's fucking INSUFFERABLE what they waste removal on
Ok, lets end this once and for all. >Lorehold>Haste>Five Mana>If it survives to the first opponents Upkeep you get a lootI'll argue. Lorehold opens up rarely explored space in RW: Reanimator. There is a plethora of RW reanimate sorceries that cost 4+CMC that return creatures and/or artifacts enchantments. Additionally, while few, there are some pretty powerful big ass R/W Instant and Sorceries. Finally. the new paradigm spells. Lorehold plays very well with them, the white is a reanimate even. The Floor for lorehold is likely the highest of the new dragons as it can deal damage the turn it drops and starts doing things the very next upkeep.>Witherbloom>Deathtouch>Affinity for creatures>Gives instants and sorceries you cast affinity for creatures.>Goes infinite with Sprout SwarmThis is good, no arguing, however. Mana is not something GX decks really hurt for. It opens no new deck building space in his colors, he is simply mana ramp. Finally, say you drop Witherbloom turn 4, then he immediately eats a boardwipe , nuking all your manadorks. Now you have to rebuild HARD, not only are your early turn dorks dead, now witherbloom cost 10 mana and you have to replay more creatures to get that discount. I believe Lorehold is better.>New deck building space>Can slap for 5 commander damage the turn he lands>Starts doing thing ASAP>Does not depend on having an established board.Witherbloom is worse. Gx decks were already casting big fuck off spells without affinity for creatures. Witherbloom forces you to have creatures on board to function, yes, I know Gx decks do this anyway, but Witherbloom in a vacuum does nothing.
>>97919980I didn't say anything about the success of a place and neither did anyone else.
>>97919995I think Lorehold SUCKS
>Literally no one cares about QuandrixWhat the fuck went wrong?
>>97920020>Another simic value engine What's to be excited about?
>>97919990>>97919988how do we explain proper threat assessment to people without sounding like we're seething
>>97920048You can't, some people are goners
>I don't run any boardwipes.
>>97920083>I just have it
>I would have won next turn.
>>97919995I don't understand the Witherbloom hype ether. Too much needs to go right for the card to work>Have a critical mass of shitters and/or tokens to get him out fast (commit your whole hand to the board)>Dodge a boardwipe while everything is just sitting there >Protection requires more cards you don't have because you just dumped your hand onto the board>Have a big spell worth jumping through the hoop that's uncastable without him >If you do have protection spells now your hand has no big spell to cast as a pay offHow does this deck not simply just die after some chuckle nuts casts blasphemous act before your first big spell? It looks so sweet when you're goldfishing but I can't imagine it plays out well at all against real opposition
>fractures you're realityNothing personal kid
>>97920103He is solidly a Bracket 2 Commander. IF 3 other players allow witherbloom to exist with 4+ creatures, then that is on them. A single boardwipe sets witherbloom back 3 turns, unless you have a grip full of low CMC creatures or token generation, then as you said, you won't have many big spells.
>>97920118so if I put 6 GC in him can I still run him in 2?
>>97920048Best you can do is try and make the argument when they try and do it. Beyond that, its on them to learn, or not. Usually not.
>>97920120>>97920128where these from?
>>97920120>>97920128Do you have spoilers for humans and not ants
>>97920128>Oh her? Yeah she's a chill of compliance
>>97920141I can read them
>>97920117this should give escape so it's functionally different but still clearly references snapcaster mage FACT
>>97920171That would require effort and caring about MTG.
>>97920117>haste instead of flashit's shit
>SoS is only in prerelease>They are already letting Reality Fracture leak outMarvel and Hobbit are going to be so bad.
>>97920182I don't get your schizo logic
>>97920180Goddamn, I did not even notice. What a dead or arrival card. >MythicGood god.
>>97917562I like my LGS but one of the employees there is a 40-something year old, balding fat guy who dresses like a woman.
>>97920103BRO AFFINITYAFFINITY IS SO STRONG BRONO I DON'T KNOW WHY AFFINITY WAS ORIGINALLY HORRIFYINGLY OVERPOWERED, I STARTED PLAYING A YEAR AGOI JUST KNOW AFFINITY IS A STRONG KEYWORDAFFINITYYYYYYYYYYY
>>97920117>It's Snapcaster Mage!>but dogshit!
>>97919995>>97920103Witherbloom is always one random token generating effect away from cheating command tax and coming out for GB. He is a one-card combo in the command zone with sprout swarm. You don't even need to deploy Witherbloom until you're ready to win the game.Lorehold is a cooler card with more interesting deckbuilding implications, but Witherbloom is busted as shit.
>>97920117I'm okay with this. Its not great.Its not mythic worthy, but it will have use in many of my decks.
>>97920120Is that from one of the commander decks? Because that's a reprint.
>>97920262You can't run snapcaster in non-blue decks
>>97920303red, nonblue decks just got Flashback (instant) in SOS
>>97920117>turns the tournament winner into a strong independent black personrofl
>>97920315Redundancy is good.
>>97920303yes you can
>>97920332How do I block a creature with this?
>>97920020Cascade is boring.Simic value piles are boring.Quandrix is boring.It's probably the only dragon this set around less interesting than a thousand-year storm in the command zone.
>>97920332
>>97920020It's... fine. There are more exciting cascade commanders out there.
>>97920048You will literally never fucking EVER be able to convince bad players that removing a 1/1 deathtouch is bad
>>97920128>colorswap: the setCalled it from a mile away and yet I'm still stoked for it
>>97920337paincaster doesn't have flash, so you can't surprise flashback+block with him.>>97920391I was hoping for a little more thought to it than "what if chandra... but ice?!" though.
>>97920391If we get clones in non-blue colors it'll be the best set of the last 5 years
>>97920128Is white Liliana spoiled yet?
>>97916352>Approach of the Second Sun>Austere Command>Brass's Bounty>Call Forth the Tempest>Dance with Calamity>Everything Comes to Dust>Gallifrey Falls // No More>Hit the Mother Lode>Improvisation Capstone>Mass Calcify>Reverse the Sands>Rise of the Eldrazi>Soulfire Eruption>Volcanic Vision
>>97920502Several of these either suck, or would be bad to cast with the miracle cost. If you cast everything comes to dust without convoking, then it is just a board wipe that could be 4 mana.
>>97920182Hobbit will be good but marvel is going to be a Spider-Man level shitshow and their market research must show there's no interest in it. This is what happens when you let out of touch boomer nerds decide which IPs to adapt.
>>97920103Just reanimate it, stupid
>>97916352
>>97919988>using changeling outcastyou are either a theft deck (killing you out of spite) or a ninjutsu deck (kill you out of spite and self interest)
>>97920506Can you not Convoke with the Miracle cost?
>>97920529Yes. You can Convoke a miracle. The spell does not lose convoke because it is a miracle.
Pretty new to EDH, I tried mashing together a deck with my pre-release pulls and whatever I had lying around.[https://archidekt.com/decks/21886521/silverquill] Any thoughts? Not sure if this really works, but basically I just tossed in some token generators, a couple of creatures that gain tokens/ping with dead creatures, a little recursion, and lots of removal.
I'm going to start building decks with 1/1 deathtouchers
>>97919985wacky to see cards right before they changed the exile wordingalthough I still prefer the wording of put the top x card of your library into your graveyard rather than milling because I think milling is a dumb word. I prefer not to see milling at all because shitty players play it
>>97920606Its fun!
>>97920621>Only the Japs are allowed to give us attractive women. >Even then, you can tell they are nerfed by looking at the artist non-mtg art.
>>97920640
>>97920048Take them to a few draft events or run them through a cube night every now & then.
>>97920640I don't think he was told to "reign it in" think gorgons are just a little out of his wheelhouse.
>>97917696She looks like she has a right-wing chud boyfriend.
>>97920661>Wanghe LiNot a jap but asian nonetheless
>>97920711She doesn't look like a bimbo at all
Looking at him and his art, I get the same energy for some reason.
I hope for a starwars set just for new cards for my first edh deck I ever built. It's been hard bros, all theses years with hardly a rebel for her.
>>97920711Aren't all the Ixilan vampires chud-coded by virtue of being huwite military adventurist colonizers?
>>97920621Remove the background and this is a yugioh-tier piece of gacha slop art. Just awful.
>>97920613Soon gaining life will be flurbulent, creatures blocking will be defendenstein, and creatures being removed from the game then returning to the game will be called dodgerino
>>97920772big if tru
These two should have had "partner with" I mean look at their fucking abilities.
>>97920786They fear the repeated meld in the command zone.
>>97920117im sure at some point the asian kid definitely told groomers of the coast "yes I wish I was a negro monke"
this was also leaked for reality fracture, wild stuff
>>97920794from where?
>>97920786partner should be banned
>>97920789even wotc doesn't like vanille
Man it sure is wild that all of these leaks are in incredible dogshit quality without a single one looking like it wasn't crushed by the poster's obese ass.Until one of them shows up without all its shit crunched and badly fucking cropped it's all fake and, though I editorialize, also ultra gay.
>>97920802thats how you know its real though
>>97920795discord
>>97920794>How do we fix red in commander?>We'll just make it green>Genius
>>97920811enters tapped ofc, can't make it too busted
>>97920811unironically yes. the last time they did this they made a green commander staple and now green is overwhelming unbalanced in commander with unconditional card draw, the only land tutoring-to-battlefield, all permanent removal, huge creatures with haste, even some board wipes. only thing they DONT have is a real counter spell (yet). I fully expect green to get Mana Drain that still costs 2 but at your next main phase lets you search your library for the amount of basic lands equal to the countered spell's mana value and put them in (probably untapped as well)
>>97919512>>97919535It's a solved game with a luck element yes. cEDH might as well just be a completely different format with fixed decks at this point. There is no creativity involved in making the deck.
>>97920822Show me a real, one card, green boardwipe.
>>97919535>This deck has a 100% win rate in cEDH?don't be ridiculous, all you need is +25% WR and rogsi delivers on that>being grixis you are the boogeyman of the pod (unlike other turbo decks, you can protect your combo)>if you lose, it's because 3 people ganged up on you (no shame in that)>if you win, you won t1-t2 in classic vintage fashion and you laugh at the 3 people coping that they could interact with you
>>97920822Where is the green 1-2 cmc non fight based creature removal
>>97920858reminder cedh is not competitive commander its a gambling mini gamebracket 4 is strategic commander
>>97920885>gambling mini gamYou gotta put up money to gamble. All CEDH decks aren't real cards worth anything.
>>979208813 cmc (same as withering torment for black which is actually fair)ironically had a player use this to destroy a leyline of mine I asked him why he didnt just use Naturalize and save that he said that was his only spot removal in the deck. definitely a retarded dude and a stupid card for green to have
>>97920890that is true indeed
>>97920885>cedh is a gambling mini gamei actually agree with you and nothing proves this more than their rampant proxying of nonRL cards stripping away any semblance of it being a tcg, high entry fee high payout tournaments, and their autism over seating
UNBAN MY ZESTY ELF YOU WOTC FUCKS!
>>97920900>nonRL
>>97920910proxying cradle and led is one thing but if you're proxying every card (making your attendance simply all about the entry fee, like a poker tournament shall we say) it calls into question if you're still playing a children's card game and not a gambling game
>>97920900>and their autism over seatingI mean when the format has massive win percentage dives between the randomly assigned seats it's not hard to see why. It also begs the question why anyone would build a deck for it, drive out to an event, and sign up just to wind up in the cuck chair that is seat 4 in CEDH.
>>97920920Just sanction CEDH events. WotC is well within bounds now.CEDH will die overnight.
>>97920900this is why chess tournaments have due color to make sure everyone has an exact amount of games as black and whiteits also why cedh is not compatible with a real tournament format (but why bracket 4 is)
>treating it more like a strategy game makes it more like a gambling game
>>97920921>poker requires skill>you want to be in on the button every time>poker is also a gambling game>cedh requires skill>you want to be seat 1 every time>uhh nooo cedh isn't gambling cuz... reasons?there's a reason they are trying REALLY HARD to make seating fair
>>97920932They're not even trying to make intentional draws fair given that the fix is not making them fucking award points.
>>97920937them refusing to treat draws as losses is another issue and a weird hill to die on too, given the japs are ok with doing it
>>97920932cedh does not require skill though. all you have to do is have the right cards in hand. its more akin to black jack than pokertexas hold em- bracket 4 (navigating having the best cards possible)black jack - bracket 5 (winning if you are dealt the right cards)
>>97920942There are still going to have issues with that. Denying your opponents wins because you are still over all up in point will still cause people to draw games on for 11 hours to try and get people to scoop.
>>97920890well said by The Game
>>97920949that's on the TO and them not giving players the ability to call the clock ala poker on overly yapping or slow playing opponents is yet another issue
>Boronko’s modern life0Beyond InstantAs you cast this spell, choose any number:Each card in your hand becomes a copy of boronko’s modern life.Draw 5 cardsExile any number of permanents, abilities or spellsSearch your library for any number of cards, then cast them for freeA deck may have any number of Boronko’s modern life. This card cannot be banned in any format, and the rules regulating it cannot be changed, if a 3rd party organization attempts to ban this card from an event, you hereby accept the pinkertons soul damnation clause and allow them to devour your soul post mortem.
I have deadly rollick and deflecting swat. Is it fine to run them in bracket 3? Otherwise, I will never use these cards.
>>97920977B3 is already a shithole bracket where running Rhystic Study is just a matter of coping about how badly your deck needs it, so sure.
>>97920977are they MLD?
How do we make bracket 2 the default
>>97920985you dont hold back and abuse GCs and fast consistent combo decks so players go to b2 by themselves
>>97920985Make it not the baby bitch bracket
>>97920977Bracket 3 is fine as far as I'm concerned. Bracket 2 would be faggy, though "still not against the rules."
>>97920971color identity is green
>>97920977why not just play bracket 4?
>>97920985by deleting the game changer list and having no rules about Blood Moon
>>97920999I'm happy to run ot there too even knowing it will get curbstomped by actual bracket 4s. My deck has no gamechangers.
>>97921003why not?
>>97920985Tutoring Rhystic Study and TOR until people realize these cards win the game on their own even if you can't also run Mox Diamond (they won't learn because Commander players have brain damage)
>>97921007Should I just play bracket 3 zur the enchanter
>>97921007smothering tithe wins just as many games if not more than rhystic and the one ringleyline of singularity is an auto-include in all decks that can run it. pic related is a 2nd copy of smothering tithealthough I don't think white needs to be nerfed anymore than it is (not saying monologue should be "game changer" but Skyshroud Claim and Rampant Growth definitely should be
>>97921017you'll never have enough mana to do anything in those colors in bracket 3
>>97921017>rhystic>tithe>necrogo for it
>>97921020>Every deck should run a leyline for Monologue Tax (drastically worse card than Tithe, which is in itself considerably worse than Rhystic/TOR)>Rampant Growth GCOkay Timmy it's time for your nap.
>>97920946I'd argue that continuing to play even when you don't have the right cards in hand could count as bluffing.It's definitely not a TCG though and needs to stop being treated as one.
>>97920999Why not just play B4 with your precon? Because it isn't b4 you retard
>>97921031no every deck should run leyline of singularity for smothering tithe. learn to read tranny and yes all land tutor-to-battlefield should be GCs. completely fair in bracket 4
>>97920794The color pie was never good.
>>97921048players who use unmodified pre-cons should be extensively bullied
>>97921023How to play esper in lower bracket bro?
>>97921055I completely agree
>>97921059run a pile of good cards
>>97921057Bullying new players isn't very nice anon. Unmodified pre-con means they're either new or just fucking around.
>>97921064You're talking to b4-5 tryhard sweaties. They're the dregs of society, they don't care about what other people think.
>>97920985You don't. Most people are midwits and bracket 3 is the midwit bracket. Bracket 2 is for intelligent and mature players, it will always be the minority bracket.
>>97921068B2 players understand that restrictions build creativity. B3 wants to have their cake and eat it too.
>>97921059land tax + control + reanimator. counter everything, generate white weenie token armies and use effects that let you bring small permanents back to the battlefield (including discarded lands). ample removal for creatures and enchantments, white taxing/staxing effects and countering anything that gets through. monologue tax like posted above is the b2 friendly version of smothering tithe. black using life as a resource for card draw and putting cheap tokens on the board (like black market connections, phyrexian arena)for counters you really want 1 mana ones or ones you don't need to hold up 2 blue for so swan song and negate, dispel and Defabricate. defabricate counters artifact & enchantment spells by exiling them or counters spells & abilities like Stifle does. of course just the standard Counterspell is usually a good idea toonot offer you can't refuse because it ramps opponents and is a bad card, UNLESS you are running leyline of singularity. –if you arent running token shit (including mass treasure spam) run leyline of singularity.aside from austere command & disenchant & revoke existence you should also have creature removal IE swords to plowshares, reality shift & bitter triumph. Generous Gift is also good too. consider instead of direct removal using Darksteel mutation, imprisoned in the moon and Oubliette instead.
>>97921080wotc should make more transmute cards
>>97921068b2 is for intentionally lower powered decks. b4 is for intentionally strong decks. both are for actually playing commanderb3 is also playing commander but is like sitting in a cuck chair. and as said previously, b5 is not commander
>>97921083when the Commander Comi-troon-ee realized tutors meant green couldn't play rampant growth or nature's lore in lower brackets they had to ReNIG on the "no tutors" thing so now you can play unlimited land-to-battlefield tutors in any bracketwhich also means white can play Steelshapers gift and black can play Grim Tutor and Blue can play trinket mage, and yeah black & blue can play shitty transmute cards to tutor as well – all in b2!
>>97921049>I will run this 1-of hoping my opponent walks into it instead of just getting The One Ring instead and raping me through it
>>97921095you were saying?
>>97921088trvke
>>97921095you have nearly a 15% chance to start with that leyline in your hand or your free 7 card mulligan, and it does stop token swarms and treasure spam so yes its worth runningits worth casting on t4 or t5 even, theres no reason not to run it unless you yourself are spamming tokens
>>97921111I am new to mtg and I don't get it.
>>97921111*blocks your path*
>>97921119you were saying?
Starfield set when
>>97921111I like Leyline of the Void much better. GY hate shuts down more degenerate decks than a generic token floodgate does.
>>97921122Sorry, you casted something?
>>97921132I run them both in my blue red black main deck. have had people whine from both of them that it shuts them out of the game (in bracket 4 even). essential cards without a doubt
>>97921134I only had one mana left open but good thing I Wheel'd last turn!
>>97921111>Hmm yes my opponent started with this Leyline>I wonder if I should tutor Smothering Tithe or Rhystic Study here...
>>97921100I kneel... 5 mana spot removal-sama... I simply... don't have it...
>>97921232Judging by the filename I believe the point is that it is colorless anon.
Allegedly, if this spell is copied, the copied can't be countered via its own effect (it can still be countered the normal way). Is this true? If so, I kinda wanna put this in Silverquill for ez extra turns or big chunking
>>97921291copied spells don't trigger cast triggers (you don't cast them) so a copied temporal extortion is just time walk
>>97916577i prefer my version
>>97921291Yes that's correct
>>97921299>>97921302So what you're saying is... Silverquill plus additional cost spells equals more value
>>97921310Yes that's probably the point of the card.
>>97921247How can anon be colorless?
>>97921094Rampant Growth isn't even close to the best green land ramp card I have no idea what you're on about.The best ones don't even do any searching. People just gravitate towards them because Timmy McRetard can run them without a supporting draw engine.
>>97921062I agree with that anon solely because the color pie was never consistently enforced and you can basically make a case for any effect to exist in any color if we're going by Mark Rosewater's """standard""" of an effect being permissible if any card in history did something vaguely similar.
Blah blah migrate when ready and waste the first 100 posts not discussing EDH.>>97921307>>97921307>>97921307
>>97920900>their autism over seatingFully justified when seats 1 and 2 have a combined 80% winrate
>>97921111Rakdos Charm is the funnier anti-token swarm card
>>97921351>culture slop in the OPshan't
