btw over the last few weeks I've been trying to give our generals a certain identity or recognition value using the same formular for the different OP pics. Colorful character front and center, bold text behind them always using the same typeface and large and colorful enough to be easily seen while scrolling the catalog, and in the background a black&white image of a board game. Let me know if you have some feedback or if you enjoy the presentation.

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https://boardgamewire.com/index.php/2026/04/24/cmon-invests-2-1m-in-nft-video-game-maker-says-digital-shift-needed-to-expand-revenue-remain-relevant/

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>97938474
>NFT video game maker

What does that even mean?

>>97938431
I appreciate the effort but I don't really care, I'll look at the thumbnail for splitseconds. Fun TQs and actually having /bgg/ in the title is way more important to me

>>97938516
That's fair.

>>97938474
i thought they were going bankrupt? where did they find the 2.1mil for NFT gaming, and how much of that will their kickstarter backers see in refunds?

>>97938431
I don't particularly like it but I'll never make an OP myself and truly the image is just a thing you need and I completely forget about it once I have the thread bookmarked. So thank you for continuing to make them.

>>97938474
If we are lucky this is the thing that makes them go bankrupt.

>>97938490
NFTs, or Non Fungible Tokens, are the latest ingenious device by which the rich get richer and the poor are fed lies like pigs get fed slop.
an NFT video game, is a videogame that incorporates NFTs into the core mechanics. Sometimes played entirely on the blockchain, but usually the NFTs just give access to whatever item they represent in a completely separate executable. See also Axie Infinity and how the silly pokemon meets slay the spire clone was almost immediately turned into 28 hour per day wageslaving for below minimum wage "but its ok because the poor people in Indonesia can afford an extra sandwich" or whatever. It's quite stupid and other NFT games somehow are stupider.
to be the NFT game maker, then, is to hold absolute power in the chain of taxation that is the NFT game, as you will take a cut from every sale, trade, and so on.

tl;dr: they wanna be like Valve and their Steam Community Market but with less effort and more fancy sounding words to put on their resumes.

>>97938474
Cardboard $200
Wood cubes $150
Gametesting $800
NFT video game maker $2.1 million
Advertising $150
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my board game company is dying

>>97938837
You can skip the gametesting part if you can get enough board game youtubers to shill for you

>>97938474
Oh my
>Be low 7 figures in debt (iirc)
>Sell off IPs, running KS etc. to pay off debtors
>Before even near recovery, invest +2 million in fucking etfs
How is this not negligence, it is more ore less transparently transitioning into becoming a full scam company

>>97937909
Thanks. I will get this one and Deckers. btw aren’t the expansions supposed to be hard to get or something? Or are they still in print?

>>97938837
I'llbe your consultant. You should use thinner cardboard and more plastic. Also skip playtesting entirely.

That'd be 30k please

I remember when I wanted New Angeles so bad but then I realized no one in my group would understand it. I'm not sure I would either. BG is suffering!

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>>97939085
At least one third of the games I own are lucky to get played once a year, because most people I get to play games with can't handle the complexity. Complex games are so fucking good though, I can't break free from them. I'm starting to 2-hand games that don't even have solo modes just to experience the gameplay systems.

>>97939099
Right, I get that. I have a couple of games I could play solo but ik that's never going to scratch the itch. Trying to get my friend to play RftG right now and he just doesn't have the time. And RftG is pretty simple. I can't imagine trying to get something more complex going.

What's the best way to get all the non-kingdon dominion cards (landmarks, events, ways, etc.) for free?
My storage solution is full and I only have enough room for like another 100 cards, so the expansions are out, but I could fit those cards in and they'd add a lot of variety

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>>97939125
>Root collects dust
>War for Arrakis collects dust
>Kemet collects dust
>Railways of the world collects dust
>Caylus collects dust
>Dune imperium collects dust
>Agricola collects dust
>Red Cathedral collects dust
>Rococo collects dust
>Cosmic encounter collects dust
>Ahoy collects dust
>Arcs collects dust

>>97938367
>what's your favorite light/elegant game that still offers some nice depth or crunchiness?
Light-weight rules, lots of strategy? Friedrich.

>which IP is long overdue to be represented in our hobby?
Sports themed games. Lords of Baseball was a step in the right direction but the Venn diagram between sports lovers and gamers seems to only include stratomatic players. If you wanted to make an easy million dollars, creating a board game that interacts with live sporting events would be the ticket. Case in point - look how many people are breaking out Ready, Set, Bet for their Kentucky Derby parties?

>what are you gonna play this weekend?
Arkham Horror LCG and Toy Battle.

>>97939143
Now I'm jumping off a bridge.

>>97939197
Why?

>>97939243
I hath been demoralized.

>>97939253
Aww. Sorry...
I should buy the steam version of Dune Imperium and invite /bgg/ members to play

>>97938367
>>what's your favorite light/elegant game that still offers some nice depth or crunchiness?
I am interpreting light as weight and going with Mottainai.
>>which IP is long overdue to be represented in our hobby?
Where are my buddhist or hindu doam games at?
>>what are you gonna play this weekend?
Looking like Pax Ren, Indonesia, probably something solo mixed in too.

The following games are mid at best, fight me if you dare...
Concordia
Lost ruins of arnak
Race for the Galaxy
Roll for the Galaxy
Marco Polo 1 and 2
Keyflower
Splendor
Clank
Wingspan
Sky team
Scythe
Viticulture
Heat
Flame rogue
7 Wonders
Azul
Kingdomino
Isle of skye
Pandemic
Radlands
Maracaibo
The resistance

>>97940040
I like maracaibo a lot but realize it's kinda sloppy, but RftG is an utterly brilliant design. The resistence is just meh because its iterations are better.
Keyflower and Concordia are very good but I personally don't enjoy them all that much. So essentially I agree on all but Race

Pretty lukewarm take tbqh

>>97940040
agree:
>Wingspan
>7 Wonders
>Azul
>Pandemic

disagree:
>Concordia
>Race for the Galaxy
>Clank
>Sky team
>Heat
>Kingdomino

also have a feeling you haven't played all these enough to have a strong grasp on them

>>97940040
Nah. As the saying goes
>you dont have to accept every invitation to a fight

>>97940040
>>97940073
yes RftG is the wrongest

>>97940082
>disagree:
>>Concordia
Look at me, I'm a game about trading in the Mediterranean with absolutely no trading and static market prices.
>>Race for the Galaxy
Look at me, I have terrible iconography and no meaningful player interaction
>>Clank
Look at me, I have 53 cards in my deck by the end of this deck building game and that's why I won
>>Sky team
Look at me, another co-op game where I'm not allowed to talk to someone who's sitting 3 feet away IRL, and who would be 2 feet away in a pilot/copilot situation
>>Heat
Look at me, I make heat the central aspect of racing, when it was not even a top 10 factor in actual racing
>>Kingdomino
Look at me, I had the foresight to put my grass on this side of the map, and my water over yonder

>>97940133
>Race for the Galaxy
>Look at me, I have terrible iconography
Genuinely don't see this point brought up by anyone but brainlets. When the game came out it was way heavier in comparison to other games than now, and "it's more complicated than I expected' became "the iconography is terrible" which wasn't true then and isn't true now.

Inb4 someome posts alien diplomats

>>97940154
The iconography isn't even a game breaker, it's just a stupid choice. My main gripe is the lack of player interaction, and how badly innovation mogs it.

>>97938968
spirit island is in a weird place because the publisher recently went under kind of. lots of the expansions are still on amazon right now though

>>97940185
Weird you say that and then namedrop counting icons: the game
But it's very true that innovation is massively more interactive than race and has a similar lots of cool paths to take vibe.

I need to play innovation in person, I've tried it a few times on bga and while there is clearly something it never captured me like race did.

Which ashes reborn bots are the most fun to build against and face off with repeatedly?

>>97938474
It continuously baffles me how boardgame players and companies can make such retarded economic choices.

We are constantly playing with toy economic models, we have no excuse to make these batshit insane choices.

>>97940133
Concordia is not about trading
Race is not about player interaction, and definitely isnt the wirst at iconography.
Yes thats why you won in Clank
Yes thats what makes Sky Team/silent co-op a challenge.
Yes sone boardgame mechanics are abstract and disjointed from thier theme
Yes some games you just win by luck.

Do you actually like boardgames? They won't all be the same, and it sounds like none of them fit the one game you want.

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My offer to just show up on a weekend to play boardgames of your choice at your LGS still stands. I'm not a serial killer, I do not want your organs.

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I don't normally do this, but I'm excited for thos one
What's in the box, anons?
>Sets matched give great strength
>Machinations on a map
>Tides shaped by darkness

I got a large deck in a deckbuilding game, and I... le won?

>>97940723
Mistborn the Card game?
Or is it the new Root stuff?

>>97940647
I said those games were mid at best, not necessarily bad
Most games are average by statistical law
Concordia is thematically an economic game, whether it's "trading" or "producing and exchanging/spending goods" is the same thing. The scoring system sounds good at first glance, but it really doesn't work as intended most of the time. Navegador, another gerdts game, did economics/markets/rondel function better, and the scoring is more straightforward, so people can play more intentionally.

I like plenty of games, my top 5, at least today, are...
Age of Steam (Montreal is my favorite map)
Hansa Teutonica
Babylonia
Sekigahara
Ra

>>97940728
>laughs in multiple deck builders
I see your last shitpost did not get much traction, so here is my pity (you)

>>97940688
How does this compare to courtier?

>>97940723
>200 count
A lot of TCG packs?

>>97938431
Thank you anon. I don't really buy or play board games anymore so it gives me something to collect and consume so I feel right at home.

I got some really wicked gas from eating some pea soup. How do I gamify this?

>>97938431
I don't feel connected to them but I'm already here. If people recognize the squid head blue guy from a board game and go "oh yes this is the thread for board games" that's great but I don't. Doesn't seem very universal I guess is what I'm saying.

>>97940915
I guess find a girl who likes it
When I expect a successful conquest, I make the girl a dinner with ribeye and asparagus or brussel sprouts. As long as she's in bed and asleep 4-5 hours later, I can duck under the covers and inhale during her peak gas production

>>97940688
no offense but this is easily achieved locally, if I wanted to meet a 40yo 4channer I'd be on /soc/

>>97939143
root, agricola and cosmic encounter deserve to be collecting rotten banana peels, old cat food cans and coffee grounds.

>>97940040
>Race for the Galaxy
mid
>Roll for the Galaxy
mid but a great entry level engaging game for meets with new people and new to boardgame people
>Keyflower
better than mid
>Splendor
trash
>Clank
erm, it's Clank!
>Wingspan
$45 for birbs?! very mid, endgame is just lay a bunch of eggs
>Scythe
fucking garbage
>Viticulture
mid, would be a great euro if the visitor cards didn't wag the dog
>Flame rogue
it's no downforce, I mean it's no the quest for el dorado, I mean it's no FULL THROTTLE but it's okay
>7 Wonders
another excellent game for new people that goes hard with an experienced group
>Azul
granny trash, it's cribbage tier
>Kingdomino
oh I fucking hate kingdomino, can't say if it's mid
>Pandemic
Forbidden Island did it better, pandemic is barely above monopoly nowhere near mid

>>97940084
nobody ever said that dumbass

>>97940740
It's a lightweight, draft into area control. Only longer than Courtier due to a triangular growing turn length.

>>97941010
>this is easily achieved locally
Yes.
I travel for work.
Local is a huge range for me.

>>97941026
Say what you will about Root and Cosmic encounter, but Agricola is actual kino and you're filtered

>>97940988
It's really painful. The gas. It hurts bad man.

>>97941065
Cribbage has been around since the 1600s for a reason. It's a great game. In my opinion it's the greatest two player game ever made. It rewards skill but is still enjoyable for the weaker player. It adapts to larger player counts without much fuss. Has had solo modes since before either of was born. The discard strategy and pegging tactics are much deeper than most people realize. The community is massive. You only need a deck of cards. It's short enough to play on break. Calling it a grandma game is selling it short when it's been a naval staple since the golden age of piracy. The roughest trappers and pioneers you can imagine would have been pegging each other all night long over this game board. I won't take this lying down.

>>97941453
Based cribbage defender.

>>97941453
Popularity doesn't mean a game is good.

>>97940723
Arcs?

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>>97941491
>>97941065
Happiest Hex and Counter gamer btw

how do i play cribbage?
how do i play mushroom sort?

>>97941729
have you tried reading the rules

>>97941729
Damn if only there was some kind of easily accessible network containing the collected knowledge of mankind

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>>97940734
Nope.
As an aside, I'm afraid I have a soft spot for Root (not that I disagree with a lot of the shit anons fling at it). But I love frogs. And the frogs feel unfroggy to me and I was disappointed.
This game doesnt involve mist either but things in this game are obscure, shadowy, even
>>97940746
Jesus no anon. When I (rarely) do I only buy singles. It's not a whole box of singles.
A neat single card can tell a whole story. Like the card that shows what happened to Emrakul. What a way to go!
>>97941520
No; I'm cautiously curious in Arcs, but the cutesy theme carries a lot less weight for me in space than it does inna woods.
For space settings, criminal enterprise too, I suppose, I prefer a grittier style.

>>97937897
>You're the idiot that said it.
Are you aware of the concept of a hypothetical?

>How many different board games does that represent on an average year for you? Hours?
~100 plays of ~20 board games, counting only mid to heavy ones. ~400 hours worth of evenings a year, though we have a fair bit of off time for bants.

>let's acknowledge the fact that this isn't the norm for the hobby
I just explained to you I give as much of a fuck about "the hobby" in the context of your argument as I would care about some feminist cunt telling me "women are gamers too" and using statistics that include mobile games.

>not even on /bgg/.
What could possibly possess you to make such imbecilic statements?

>Or how about we get real here and say that a dozen plays of a board game isn't really asking much.
For your favorite game? Sure. For every game you ever buy? No. For every game you consider to be good and enjoy playing? Also no. I've only played TI4 twice in 4 years of owning it, and while I think it's a bit of a shame that I rarely have the opportunity to pull it out, I'm happy to have played it and, don't regret buying it, and don't accept the premise that any part of this is some sort of sin. You're liable to just look like an idiot if you get up my ass about it and stomp your feet about how I didn't get the mandated 12 plays in.

I agree on the broad strokes about overconsumption. But the specific arguments you nirvana people make tend to be totally inane.

>Mr. Socrates
Speaking of ancient Greek philosophers, you should look into the concept of the golden mean.

>I bet you're the same.
Careful with inventing things about people you don't know. Soon enough you'll be living in your own delusional world.

>>97940728
what game?

>>97941729
cribbage sucks dont play it
mushroom sort has a rulebook you should check out, but basically you get a row of cards, sort them from low to high, and set them face down, then have to take cards from other people's rows into your hand, whoever has better hand wins more points, most points after everyone's took a turn being a dealer wins. the backs of the cards show the suit, which is a major part of the deductions you do and interaction you have to make with the other players.

>>97942424
>Are you aware of the concept of a hypothetical?
No, but let's say I was...

>>97942458
deckbuilding. try to keep up

>>97942592
which one of the myriad deckbuilding games are you specifically talking about? i ask because the comment makes no sense when referring to the entire category.

>>97942629
That is because it's a shitpost.

>>97940040
I quite like Azul, which games would you guys say do it better? Or is it a conceptual disagreement?
>>97940620
kek, just goes to show again, nobody actually plays the games.

>>97942424
Haven't seen this much seething since BSN was all over these generals.

>>97940915
My immediate thought is a Quacksalber type thing where you put things in your stomach until it's too bloated, except the bloating stuff also has some extra function. So Tavernen im Tiefen Thal but based on your digestive system. Could be cool

>>97940620
That is implying it is a deliberate decision in good faith that will grow the company/save it from insolvency (which, where the fuck are the 2.1 million from?). What I surmise is that this is another attempt to part fools with their money for personal enrichment. Doesn't matter if your company is highly profitable when you pay yourself and your execs obscene wages, which I (without any evidence, to be clear) assume is what happened.

>>97942479
>then have to take cards from other people's rows into your hand,
Two key frills on this:
You put a marker on the card to say "I own this" but it stays in the row until the end of the draft
When you claim a card it is (usually) flipped face up so that everyone can see its number

So as the hand continues players have more and more information to deduce from

>>97941816
>>97940723
Well done. Shadow Moon Syndicates is a great game and probably one of the better ones I've played in the last couple years. The only issue I have with it is that some of the factions require you to play with other factions to make them work like the faction that Reanimates from the burn pile needs the faction that plays to the burn pile so the game stays balanced. It's a quibble in the grand scheme of things.

>>97942723
He never left. Just dropped the trip. He's still here.

>>97942723
>seething
I'm having fun dunking on demented balding fat 45 year olds.

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what am I in for, innovation 2?

>>97943239
It's an area majority pick up and deliver game. You do the basic actions a lot more than the special actions.
Give first time players brown and green. If you have 3 or more first time players you are on-boarding too many people.

>>97943214
I'm 55. Full head of hair. I don't even care about this argument. It's stupid. You're a zoomer faggot.

>>97943239
You are in for never enough resources to pull off the powerful and seductive quests, until you build towards one particular quest card, get a crap ton of card draw/goods/people/ships out of it, and then realise crap how do i make use of it all effectively.
Its a fun puzzle trying to avoid pitfalls of plays you can execute but but not exploit, small plays that fuck over the other dude, and getting just the right amount of cards in the right spot so you can actually generate points.
Also the vainglory rule is hilarious, do not forget it, and actively abuse it to create a whole lot of salt.

>>97943277
Thanks for the concession, baldy.

>>97943310
Thanks for yours.

>>97943239
You're in for probably the worst game made in the last 5 years. It's too long, too swingy, too much downtime, and zero planning because the board state changes so drastically from player to player that you really just sit in a reaction loop for 2-3 hours. You could probably play it at 2 players but why? It'd be like playing the World's most involved take-that game.

If you bought it and are planning to introduce it to others, just don't. You're going to alienate your group with that shit. If someone in your group is trying to get you to play it, politely decline or call out sick. If the Chudykite gets his feelings hurt, suggest one of his better titles Jordan Draper's Import/Export lol.

>>97943442
>It'd be like playing the World's most involved take-that game.
The board game "giga-robo" looked fun until I watched gameplay, and it devolved to
>well because I fell I can play this card
>well because I got hit with this, I get to roll these dice
>well because you rolled dice, I get to roll dice
I hate that shit in games. What should be a counter-play is natural organic tactics, like in chess. Such as
>You front line hit me hard, but because you put so much into it you left the right side of the board completely open to my remaining troops
>You're spread thin, now either spend valuable turns regrouping, or accept the loss of some weaker regions

God I love boardgames
That is all

>>97943698
Leave and don't come back.

>>97943698
And there are literally dozens of us!

>>97940499
bumpitty bump bump

>>97943698
Based and redpilled

>>97943442
>You're in for probably the worst game made in the last 5 years. It's too long, too swingy, too much downtime, and zero planning because the board state changes so drastically from player to player that you really just sit in a reaction loop for 2-3 hours
So basically a wehrle design?

Rumble Nation or Las Vegas?

Yesterday i shithoused 3 complete newbs (2nd game for 2 and never played the other) to an England 3 win. We also got all the shit events. Honestly Spirit Island's difficulty is massively overrated. Anything under level 5/6 is a joke compared to something like slay the spire

>>97942710
My issue with Azul is the only form of interaction is denial
At 2p this gets boring pretty quickly
At 3p you just deny the player to the left, and put all other denial responsibility on them
Maybe they play correctly, maybe they don't and they cause someone else to win
It's highly interactive in the sense of responsibility, but has low interactivity in the levers you can pull
Of course humans will never play perfectly, but I think an experienced group can get close enough that the distribution of tiles at the beginning of a round is the biggest factor in who wins that round, and when it happens near the end of the game, who wins the game

Currently trying to choose between Koi, Scythe and Nippon: Zaibatsu. Are any of them particularly good or bad compared to the others?

>>97944732
As far as what's better, just about any knizia classic tile laying game does that part much better
True, most of them aren't perceived as drafting games in the way Azul is, but to that I'd say...tile laying games on a shared board effectively are drafts for those spaces, and much more interesting ones
I'd say play babylonia

>>97944761
Never heard of the other two, but they're better than scythe

>>97938474
>2026
>investing in NFTs
who the fuck is making financial decisions at CMON? is it some senile boomer who pays for "Microsoft Tech Support" with Amazon gift cards?

>>97938586
also the peak of the NFT scam was like 2020. they are 6 years late on buying into this nonsense.

>>97939186
>Case in point - look how many people are breaking out Ready, Set, Bet for their Kentucky Derby parties?

Imagine if they came out with a tabletop version of Uma Musume?

>>97940185
If you play without paying attention to what your opponent is doing, and your opponent pays attention and practices just the barest amount of yomi, you will get trounced in Race.

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So I played Valley of the kings multihanded as I couldn't get it to the table recently.
To my astonishment it turns out anon was on to something and it does seem like an amazing deckbuilder, because of two things I always wish for but almost never get. First is that you cycle through your deck a LOT if you want to, so purchases (and entombing) feel significant and consequential. Second is that there is actually interaction. I think most deckbuilders are deathly afraid of having people exchanging card ownership in different locations for no other reason than mtg doing so (for completely different reasons). But it's great, stuff your opponents deck full of jank, have him discard cards and steal them from his graveyard equivalent etc. Now, if the game also plays well at 3 or 4, I might become a convert and sing its praises. It does, however, sure look ugly as sin, at least the first edition I own. Not that the premium version that came out in 2019 looks like more than sexed-up ugly

>>97945152
>you cycle through your deck a LOT
>there is actually interaction
You would also like Dale of Merchants.

>>97945152
I haven't played it in years but I remember choosing to only play it with 2 people as 3+ games were too long and troublesome if you're the target of many attacks by each player

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>>97942973
Nicely identified, anon!
I'm very excited to get it to the table. I think also that it should be able to sell it to the more light weight orientated gamers that I have more regular opportunities to play with. It seems like it'll get quite tricky pulling together coherent plays, but the basic process of the game is very straightforward.
Almost everything about it was a home run for me, so im glad they had a few retail copies left.

Speaking of selling games, anyone got some Tannhäuser to spare?

>>97943442
>that spoiler
Lol indeed.

>>97945117
>Imagine if they came out with a tabletop version of Uma Musume
Who's gonna tell him?

>>97940688
I wish I lived in america so i could take you up on this offer.

>>97940688
Clearly what a serial rapist would say. I can see through you, Cole

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Fuck I didn't want to get another heavy 2p game I have too little time for, but Captains chair keeps coming up in my podcasts and Game Brains deep dive on it was immensely appealing. So I need to consumt the only resource I fully trust, random anonymous faggots who may or may not actually have played the game on an Khazak yak breeding forum.

>Does it actually go as deep as I heard, multiple captains offering multiple vastly different approaches each and with a high skill ceiling?
Price seems inappropriately high though

>>97946690
I'll let you know when I receive it after it gets out of whatever purgatory my order is stuck in. Stay tuned (est. 3 months).

>>97946813
Yeah I don't want to get the german version which would be cheaper and available because almost all the ST I watched was in english. From what I've seen restock in europe is planned for beginning of june

>>97946813
>order purgatory of 3 months
Lol Im sitting on a 14 month order to finally come in. Absolute cluster fuck of publisher being shuttered by parent company, new publisher buying rights, pallets from printer being kept at customs, blah blah blah.
Supposedly the product destined for my country has cleared the border and is finally on way to distributors/the online retailer, but am am not holding my breathe.

>>97946626
Do not wish to live in this hellhole.

>>97946655
I only rape consensualy.

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Reading the icons explains the icons

>>97946964
Paint the Roses got quite the glow up.

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>>97944761
Never played Koi or Scythe but I've heard mixed reviews on Scythe. I've played the OG Nippon a lot and it's a great game - I'm assuming the remake is just as good (especially if they've fixed some of the scripted play at the start). It's kind of area control/press your luck/trad-euro but it's does everything well. All the mechanics work, lots of tough decisions after you get through the first round and people start to differentiate. It only plays well at the full 4, though, so be warned.

>>97945255
You're spot on - rules are easy but it takes a playthrough or two to get the keywords down. I still mess them up after a dozen or so plays (Beguile/Interfere, Transfer/Ship, etc). Teaching tip: one rule I always make sure to enforce with new players is that you can play a card facedown into your stack to add one anywhere. Players feel stuck if their cards don't allow them to influence in areas where they can get end round credits but playing facedown helps that plus gives you the option to do a top/bottom line action during the next turn.

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>>97946813
Just if you are interested, I found a belgian (apparently trustworthy) store that has like 7 copies of the english version in stock atm
I believe it's actually true as they try selling it via geek market as well, presumably to get a higher margin and avoid taxes

>>97944340
Las Vegas

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how are we feeling about the new Splotter boys

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>>97947843
Perfect storm of absurdly specific theme and hope of player built economy/interaction that I will be playing it when it comes out