▶Previous edition: >>97816573▶What is /gwsg/?A thread to talk about Games Workshop's specialist and spin-off games which fall between the cracks.Battlefleet Gothic, Blood Bowl, Epic, K*ll Team, Man-o-War, Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game, Mordheim,Necromunda, Shadow War: Armageddon, Titanicus, Underworlds, Warcry, Warhammer Quest, Warmaster......and any other GW system and board game are welcome.▶Helpful resources (feel free to suggest additions!):https://pastebin.com/qq9N8V0V▶TQ: What is the rarest Specialist Game Miniature?
>>97942883As the other Anons have said, totally different games. If you want to play a competitive sweaty game, kill team.If you want fun, Necromunda.>>97945093Dreadfleet
>>97945240>If you want funKill Team too, but from the 4th edition 40k rulebook.
>>979453261st ed Kill Team was going in a good direction before they killed it.
>>97945093TQ, i do not know what the rarest is but MY rarest is the old epic screamer killer.
>>97945326Can It be a specialist game if it was pre-baked in the regular game? Even 4th Ed apocalypse was more of a specialist game since It needed extra books.
>>97944781Good post. I use escorts as quick units, to outflank the enemy. Ablative armor works but only when you need to protect an important cruiser from getting crippled.
>>97946491Why is it rare to you? You only got one and Epic Tyranids sets are hard to get by?
>>97945093I would suggest the Epic Space Marine Dropship to be very rare in general.
>>97945093And every model on this Space Fleet page.
>>97945240I dont think that dreadfleet is that rare. Maybe certain minis.
So what do we think the next bloodbowl team will be? Squigs or slaan is my guess
>>97946397KT18 was the best iteration of the concept to date. I don't care about KT24 drones and their made-up stories about plasma spam everywhere. KT21 and KT24 are all about the same teams being played the same way every game. With no PPM and no PPWargear the most optimal build becomes obvious quite quickly so it doesn't matter when and where you are playing - all the Team X players will always run the same copy-pasted list. The game is simply solved. Competitive players don't mind netlisting but for casual players there is not enough customization and personalization. I miss being able to run a Cultist champion and his mob being backed up by a CSM operative from the shadow. I miss being able to grab a box of basic-bitch Genestealers and having a full playable team this way.Unfortunately, GW playerbase in general is allergic to playing anything but the latest edition of whatever game is popular in that area. I see no reason to play KT18 with my alternative wargaming friends since despite being great GW's game, it's still an okayish game at best when compared with non-GW games. Sad.
>>97946645I'd say Kislev, with Grand Cathay or Tzeentch as strong backups.
>>97946645Slann got replaced by Kislev in the BB2 video gameDid the original Judges Team ever have a replacement?
>>97946693Sad indeed, because you are so wrong, it almost hurts.
>>97945093are there any good resources/tutorial on how to learn/play necromunda? I have the core rule book and 2 gangers built up but actually playing is hard because i find it all quite overwhelming
>>97946774https://www.necroraw.com.ru/
>>97946774I think Wellywood wargaming has a "how to play Necromunda" video
>>97946592Yea mostly because of that and because it is my oldest non normal 40k model.
>>97946797>>97946792thanks anons
>>97946798Makes sense. Quite funny how Tyranids evolved in their forms. With old Epic armies you can see that their designs drastically changed.
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>>97946645don't they hate slann? Like I wouldn't be shocked of they made kislev because they made berts and savage orcs and all the other fan teams other than the monkeys, bit I don't think they will call them slann because they hate slann for whatever reason
so on fumbbl black box right nowAmazons, Undead, Orcs and Humans all have a win rate of over 60%Norse, OWA and Underworld are the next 3 at 57% Dorfs are at 24%, though most of the blackbox dorf games have been played by one retard who sucks at bloodbowl.
Do the old school recasters do BFG ships? Dont need there names since i know i wont get any, just wondering if its even worth looking them out. The modern recaster i use doesnt have stuff that old. I have a real hankering for having an imperial fleet. I have a large OG chaos one but i dont really want to pay 180quid on ebay for an emperor class battleship especially when i know how absolutely warped some of the metal pieces could be. Im not interested in stl's or proxies i really like all the tiny details of the originals and all the proxies look to clean for my taste. Unrelated but an old friend bought a fully painted fleet off gumtree for like 100 quid 15 years ago, he kept it in a shoe box with no foam in the footwell of his cars. After like a year it had shook itself into a million pieces, makes me sad just thinking about it.
>>97947111>not hex bases
>>97947764This is the problem with statistics when your sampling base is too small. MCP stats have the same issue. One guy turns up with obscure leader X that nobody else uses and wins seven games out of 10 and all of sudden Blorko is now top of his faction with a 70% win rate.
>>97946693KT 18 sucked. The whole thing about how if you withdrew from combat your opponent was just stuck there hanging in the wind ruined the game.
>>97949651There is a German fella who has most of the fleets, and is reasonably priced compared to ebay.A search for the top of the main piece of dining room furniture, the key part of our hobby, and then the address of the aforementioned state may lead you to a webpage with an email address and google drive folder.
>>97949740the dorf thing will fix itself. blackbox inherently has a problem where everyone just plays the most OP bash kill teams that they can. To fix this they created the "black box trophy" which goes to whoever has the highest cumulative score across their squad of 4 teams and teams are tiered based on how good they are and given a point value and you only have a budget of like 10 points so dorfs are going to get tiered in like ass tier and all the tryhard coaches are going to take them and pump their win rates up. a lot of the seething about teams being >unplayablein bloodbowl isn't even about teams being bad, it's because another team with a similar theme or playstyle is just better. Like people were/are seething about undead being nerfed to hell, but they are still a top 4 race, but orcs got changed and now both teams have the exact same playstyle and orcs are better at it.it's the same thing with dorfs and rats. I don't think either of them are bad, I think it's just OWA and underworld both half the dorf and rat units respectively and are just better teams. you see this with tournaments the most because those are basically fan rules with fan tiering to try to balance the teams and people keep bitching about undead being unplayable when I'm sure they are still great, just not as good as orcs.
>>97946693>KT18 was the best iteration of the conceptOne of the most disappointing reveal when the entire game and a side game department were created because of the immense success of Shadow War, and what did they do? It's just copy paste 8th edition rule. The Skill trees and progression are completely useless as well. Customization? The hastily made kill team list from Shadow War blown KT18 "customization" out of the water. Yeah Shadow War is a completely bonker broken game, but what people was expecting when GW promised to make a better game is a less broken Shadow War, not "gateway to 40k".
>>97945093>TQ: What is the rarest Specialist Game Miniature?The original prototype battleship castings, probably. Although those weren't exactly production, and there are a mere five of them known to exist. The original Voss light cruisers trashed the moulds within a few dozen castings and destroyed the masters after a few attempts at remoulding them, they were only available for a month or two at most. I literally waited one paycheck to order one, it went through, and the Trolls called me up a couple weeks later to apologize because they couldn't cast any more to fill the order. I wound up converting it to a couple Space Fleet ships with the credit.It's also pretty likely that one of the later Inquisitor models made it to full production and only sold a couple of copies, stuff like the Demon Huntress and the Kroot.>>97946603GW was still casting those to order as late as 2002. >>97949651The recasters have been largely overtaken by the third-party scene and 3D printers, but you can definitely find BFG recasts just rooting around on Temu and AliEx. Weird stuff like the Forge World escorts is a lot harder.
>>97949867>TFW you have three things on his bounty listHuh, maybe I *will* get that Repulsive and model of The Caller I've always wanted.
>>97950562Why would they copy SW:A if the game was but a broken beta test for Nucromunda? You gut your SW:A reskin, why would they release two of them?
>>97951238Yeah the better game is the 8th edition of 40k, obviously. Eat the slop, pigs.
>>97946725I'd like to see them add a Tzeentch and slaanesh team, I'd imagine slaanesh would be a high ag team with maybe some hypnotic gaze and claws, not sure how tzeentch would be represented on the field though
>>97951740I'd love to see Tzeentch as a big-brain unpredictable board control team. Intensely frustrating to play against with plenty of scope to accidentally shoot yourself in the foot. Every move the opponent makes provides opportunity for the Tzeentch player to change the board.Acolyte Linemen- AV8 human profile with Sidestep and TauntTzaangor- Beastmen with On the BallTzeentch Chosen- Chaos Chosen with GrabCurseling- Snotling with Trickster (Gnome Illusionist)Spawn- Nurgle Rotspawn reskin
[MESBG]I know people don't usually post lists here, but, I was wondering if I could get some feedback on these. I want to get into MESBG with Bhurdhur's Horde, as I like orcs and hordes of creatures. I tried putting together three variants of the list for 400, 500 and 600 points. Do they look playable, or do I need to shave some fat to fit in more orcs or more might?>400 ptBhurdhur;Orc captain; 11 orcs; 1 orc with banner;Warg chieftain; 7 wild wargs.>500 ptBhurdhur; 1 hill troll; 2 warg riders;Orc captain; 11 orcs; 1 orc with banner;Warg chieftain, 7 wild wargs.>600 ptBhurdhur; 1 hill troll;Orc captain; 11 orcs; 1 orc with banner;Orc captain; 5 orc warriors; 3 warg riders;Warg chieftain; 9 wild wargs.Thank you in advance for any feedback.
>>97946645SURPRISE SPIDER REVEAL
>>97949867I may be stupid but what's the key part? Dice? Games?
>>97953159the thing you'd be buying. In theory.
>>97945093All of the custom bashed STLs I haven't shared.
>>97952168Are you playing a good edition or the latest one
>>97954648I wish I was playing a good edition, but I'm more than a decade too late to do that in any active community, so sadly I have to adapt.
Ork bfg anon from previous thread, who designed your ship stl? Looks really nice! Cracking paint job too.
How is the chain glaive in cawdor? And secondarily how important are numbers vs equipment? I'm having trouble deciding to give one of my champs an autogun pole or a glaive for the aura and having to cut a couple juves and gangers to make the credits
>>97952168You generally want a lot more orcs as they aren’t really durable or killy off the bat. And you want to have a higher break point as well, because if your army breaks your orcs are gonna leg it.
>>97955364Thank you. At this point I'm thinking something along these lines for 500 pt:> Bhurdhur; 15 orcs>Orc captain; 11 orcs; orc with banner>Warg chieftain; 8 wargs
>>97955439Yeah that seems a lot better, save the troll for high point games (700+)
>>97955439Also welcome. I also got into MESBG in the last year, so I am not an expert, but I am absolutely loving the game. I think you’ll be very happy with your decision to start.
>>97955338>chain glaive in cawdornot good early when there're other better option : greatsword. When you have a decent fighter with upgraded WS and money to buy the suspensor Chain Glaive is decent.>how important are numbers vs equipment?Everyone need a weapon. Only give armor to important characters. Someone has to go down every fight, so it's better be the guys with cheap weapon and no armor. And medical trips are expensive as well.Gang size depend on what scenario was used, but generally 12-15 max for cawdor because of Devout masses. If you do follow the scenarios suggested by the campaign, there're scenarios that have random starting crew, so having lots of dude in shitty gears is not a good idea.> autogun pole or a glaiveNot sure what "aura" mean, if you mean like a meme build with intentionally using terrible weapon the Autopole is the one. It's basically an overpriced autogun. that you can't buy extra ammo for.
>>97955468Yeah, I'm looking forward to be actively playing again and having fun with painting and converting a creepy angmar horde
>>97955532>equipmentI should've specified high end equipment. But good to know about the autopole, I had one on my leader, what's a better alternative? I tried to avoid the blunderpole on him because I already have a few and I wanted to keep the boss out of template range combat. And secondarily what's good for a second champ? I wanted to have him be the shooty one but I'm not sure on his kit either because the crossbow looks cool but it's expensive
>>97955698>what's a better alternative?Buy the autogun, from the trading post.Or use the long rifle. if your group allow warp ammo at the trading post (they shouldn't), then it's a pretty good upgrade. Get bullet merchant also.Leader suck at shooting, but it didn't really matter because you can use him as overseer so the champ can shoot more.> second champ? Get a redemptionist, they had more options than cawdor and most of them are good. The average house list Cawdor champ don't have lot of option : greatsword, long rifle, polebuss, crossbow, H.Stubber with suspensor, and Chain glaive.
>>97946693KT18 was the most enjoyable iteration of KT to date in exactly one scenario, if both players were playing a pick-up game and were refined gentlemen with full 20-model rosters equipped to the best of their ability for a wide variety of objectives and opponents. Made for exceptionally tight games within the bounds of the games fairly substantial random chance - making it a poor choice for "tournament" play but more ideal for casual excitement. The latter versions of KT kept the roster concept but it was essentially vestigial in practice for the vast majority of teams.
>>97956831The removed Tackle from Dwarf + Chorf linos, but then moved it to Human Blitzers, Wights and Dwarf Blitzers, so whilst an Amazon player is less likely to encounter an entire LoS of Tackle, he's more likely to encounter it in a league, on positionals most likely to be blitzing, overall.Making Dwarf Blitzers Ag4+ really was indefensible though.
>>97956831>>chorfsIt's worth pointing out that they lost Tackle and got the Stabbas in the last edition, and Sneaky Stabbers were fucking incomprehensibly garbage back then. Mostly because they didn't give a single fuck about getting it right in the first place, because they knew 2025 edition was coming with the inclusion of the Devious skill catagory. So Stabbas go down in price, Shadowing got buffed and they have Primary General... which brings us onto the REAL problem Chorves have now in this edition, and the completely moronic thing GW did here, which was the idea that linemen without either General or Agility as primary skills was a good idea. I could almost defend Bull Centaurs having unsteady as it makes sense, but holy fuck what were they thinking with that. If you're going to gimp their primary access this bad, at least give them all Sneaky Git by default, it's a useless skill more or less now anyway, so it wouldn't have really moved the needle but at least then there'd be some fucking flavour here.So... yeah. You're right, but not for the reasons you think.
>>97958321Yeah Chorfs were in a bad spot last edition, and things haven't gotten better. I do think there's some interesting possibilities with Dwarf Linemen getting Devious as a Primary option though. Maybe not competitive, but at least fun. Principally Shadowing and Taunt. Break Tackle getting yet ANOTHER buff further increases the value of the Death Roller (which it always needs, and still does) and putting Shadowing on that thing would be hilarious.
I tried getting into necromunda a while ago, when corpsegrinder first came out, and could not get into it. It might be because some bad blood happens with some of the other players over some games, but the main issue for everybody seemed to be how certain gangs did not fit what you would expect. The Goliath player did not like how easy it was to knock them down for example. There were also issues on what books were needed and where to start.Did they fix these issues in newer releases? I was thinking of trying to get a mordheim or necromunda thing going, but I am not sure where to start for either right now in terms of rules or books. I heard there are a lot of fan rules for mordheim that got popularized and are in use now for most tables.
>>97963614>what books were needed and where to start.https://www.necroraw.com.ru/>Corpsegrinder Extremely busted gang. Free skills and free gears up the asshole. Knock them down? The main strategy of Corpse grinder is Initiate bomb the shit out of you first then the other melee fighter run at you. Goliath? Goliath couldn't even touch Corpse grinder because their terrible Will. Let's recap :1. Access to paired weapon, the most overpowered close combat trait in the entire game.2. Leader and champ : free 5+ armor, free exclusive undersuit that stack with normal undersuit (each +1 save) can't attack them unless pass will test.3. Ganger : free 5+ armor, free exclusive undersuit. can't charge them unless pass will test, also free skill 4. Juve : cost 25 credit, free +6 armor, free exclusive undersuit. Had statline of other gang's gangers (4+ WS and BS). And come with infiltrate. The cheapest and most valuable fighter in the entire game of Necromunda.Also Champ had a skill that +1" to their movement each time they deal damage. With paired weapon they do 6 attacks on the charge. Once the champ had a successful charge he can basically run the entire table.Also if you feel like that guy, have them being malstrain infected to give leader wyrd power, and gain access to normal ganger that use lasgun and shits.
>>97963728I did not play corpsegrinder. I mainly was asking if anything has changed for the rule set since then, and what books are the starting points for the game and factions overall. The main issue is that a lot of layers were upset over chain pins and knock downs, mainly the Goliath player. Did that get fixed?
>>97963743>lot of layers were upset over chain pins and knock downs, mainly the Goliath player. Did that get fixed?They don't need fixed, they need nerfed. If you don't want to get shot at use your initiate better. Goliath players stay true to their stereotype of being retarded meatheads.
>>97963765He mainly went all melee and kind of got locked down by me doing blunderbuss or flamer spam with cawdor and Escher players generally out-meleeing them. Now I Can't get him to play at all. It could be that I was the only one in the group with past necromunda experience, but that soured it for a lot of other people.
>>97963787That's good for your group that the Corpse grinder player got rolled. Otherwise the one who want to quit, will be everyone else.Also heavy chain cleaver is Damage 2 with Server, the only Server weapon in the game with D2. And server also another overpowered weapon trait. Isn't that wonderful.
Anyone played that Knights mini-game in the new White Dwarf? Seems like a neat little beer & pretzels game
>>97965765Someone at GW want to make their own simplified version of battletech. It's okay and quite portable game if you use epic scale modes. Unfortunately there're no official epic models for the xenos so you had to 3d print them.
>>97968019>>97965765Maybe he saw that the Gundam tabletop,got so much response. And thought “we got mechs too!“
>>97969065Gundam assemble was hugely disappointing. The rule is copy paste version of World of Warcraft the miniature game. The models completely disregard scale and you had : gundam size battleship, perspective-miniature : 3 of the same model at different sizes to create an illusion of perspective. And the worst sin of all : failed at tracing in CAD, look at this sword, Bandai designers changed the shape of the sword tip in almost every single releases of this model, this time had to be the ugliest one.Also the details are kind of terrible as well, some got more panel line details than other, some like the RX-78 are smooth with no lines. Details like the underside of a fighter jet, are hollowed out. The part where the feet supposed to have peg that slot into the base, has 0 thought put into it, they just stick an ugly shape of plastic with the peg onto the feet, done! GW usually turned it into some kind of scenery.Honestly people keep saying it'd compete with Warhammer but even Bandai doesn't take this shit seriously and just treat it as some kind of cash grab, i can't see this last very long. Bandai is fully capable of revolutionize the industry by making miniature size gundam frame that you had to glue, but give great customizability and pose, coupled with an actual mecha game rule. That'd be the real warhammer competitor.
>>97969370>look at swordI'm not sure what is the issue, but then again I find all gundam to look like ass.
>>97970052It's not supposed to look like that, also the cannon in picture had the barrel detail wrong for the Gundam Assemble model, they're couldn't cut the muzzle like that, so they just changed the whole muzzle , and they couldn't event make the barrel tip a flat surface, it's weirdly concave.
>>97968019Yeah, the record sheet has heavy BT vibes. I was just going to play with my BT minis and some old Epic building as terrain; as you say it's a neat travel game.
>>97965765But they already did that in 2018 with Adeptus Titanicus: The Horus Heresy.
>>97970835Yeah, looks like cheap toys regardless.
