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Dark Mech or Traitor Guard?
>>97947056>post models
>>97947074Dark Mech, because new Daemon Engines, Chaos Robots, those HH walker things if they want to go nuts, and more. What else could Traitor Guard bring to the table other than "Guard unit but Chaos symbols slapped on it"?
>>97947075cool orkses
>>97947075>That sexy looted land raiderI kneel anon. I need to chop up mine and do better.
>>97947056>TQ fine by me! though these are some of my old models just with the base rim color changed>>97946828anon already decided upon necrons, but I think this is generally good advice, and I wrote an entire love letter/poem for it, and I’ll be damned if I won’t share it. >>97946740write a love letter to each faction and pick whichever faction you have an easier time expressing your love for it, and whichever feels more genuine. here’s one for orks, so you get the idea.>oh orks. >how I love your unserious yet brutal nature.>your ingenuity, your casual brutality, your love for war.>your quiet and mysterious kommandos, your loud and audacious flash gitz.>your hot burna boyz and your cold metallic walkers>your luddite beast snaggas and your inventive meks>oh orks!>the klans each providing a different reason to love you.>blood axes and the freebooterz with their mercenary work and love for human style>the goffs and evil sunz who love to get stuck in and cause havoc>the bad moons and deathskulls stomping in with their meganobz and walkers with dakka that deafens anyone around them.>the snakebites with their love of spirituality and nature>oh orks, how beautiful you are!>your scrap armor taken from your enemies and made your own>your muscular arms showing a natural born strength built for war.>your red eyes which burn with passion. >your round buttocks that put banshees to shame.>your beautiful green skin which make painting faces a pleasure. >oh orks, if only I could remember all the reasons I like you, if only the thoughts that come to mind as I toil at my job longing to assemble and paint you came to me as I write this to you. >so I will finish by putting it in three words and a smileI like orks :D
>>97947056>post models just painted up this intersessor last night
>>97947084the blood pact in gaunt's ghosts had all sorts of esoteric weapons that weren't just 'leman russ with spikes'. the only limit is imagination.it's also ironic to be posting that in response to a post essentially containing an 'electro-priest but chaos' model
Orkie start to a thread.
Let Chaos idols take this thread!
Just had a game against EC and I got absolutely destroyed. I rolled like shit but on top of that I just can't wrap my head around positioning. It always seems like I can't shoot at anything and I can always get charged and get killed before even hitting back.
>>97947075i just decided to go with this color scheme. Only 49 to go q.q
>>97947105your army?
>>97947056Have a wip
>>97947113Absolutely sick awesome. What will the chapter be for the guy on top?
>>97947102
>>97947097that side turret is cool, I should loot that idea
>tq
>>97947056>TQ
>>97947117I let dubs decide a while back. Gonna be my first time painting a Marines Malevolent guy.
>>97947102Think, you git! THINK!
>>97947108Firestorm marines. With a land raider redeemer, two blocks of terminators, infernus, a vindicator and a drop pod with multimeltas.
would CSM havoc guns fit on noise marine bodies?tempted to grab some lascannons to make sunkillers
>>97947074Personally I'm going traitor guard. Just got my proxy boys in the mail yesterday. Gonna slowly build them up, first as add-ons for my CSM, then part of a larger chaos knights iconoclast fiefdom force, and then into a full fledged army that I can either run as IG or pull infantry from to support the previous two armies if GW doesn't wanna get off their ass and make a proper codex or supplement for them.
>>97947139That gold scheme is cool
Were is it. WERE IS IT.
>>97947122tfw stl never ever
I'm sorry
>>97947075Posting models
Also are we still doing the community Hellblaster collage? If yes i did finish a squad of Hellblasters recently
>>97947106Those look fantastic homie! I think some white/gray war paint would REALLY pop against the red skin! maybe look up totemic looking body tatoos and stuff. I was trying to find a pic that explained what I saw in my head and this was the closest I could find. Simple, easy to freehand shapes you can do on open spaces on the skin. Might add some easy diversity to the horde.
>>97947074Traitor Guard. Although I don't really care about official endorsement from GW anymore. IG rules and models with extra spikes works well enough. We had rules until 10th btw.
>it's been 11 days since the last new edition rules previewThat's it, isn't it? They already covered everything and there is nothing left.
>>97947149exodites cucked you out of dinos, krootbro, best you're going to get is kong or kroot rodan now
>>97947164>11 days since last rules reveal of 11th editionSo what are we just waiting for the 11th hour now?
>>97947164Still need to talk about wargear costs being back and morale not sucking.
>>97947113manlets, when will they learn?
>>97947175I hope you aren't serious.That's very sad otherwise.
>>97947179When Crudd left GW and the new guy got in charge they released a video talking about it and said point costs would be coming back. Don't remember what the video was called but it was in WarCom.
>>97947074Its always Traitor Guard for me
>>97947185It's a podcast. Talk about things they wanted to do doesn't mean it will make it to the final.
>>97947187beastmen lives matter
>>97947185That is indeed very sad.
>>97947187Cool dudes. Any idea if the gw traitor guard heads fit on the regular damned grunts and the other way around? I'm mainly talking scale wise, I assume some cutting will be needed
>>97947113So did he kill them all in a series of 1 on 1 duel?Ambush and kill them with a knife, bomb them?
>>97947198Yeah, counting points is non-inclusionary towards folx from unprivileged homes
>>97947056Greetings fellow kids. Did you preorder your Commissar Yarrick™ model and Commissar Yarrick dice™. Don't miss out!
>>97947208He clearly soloed them all at once
>>97947175LolLmaol
>>97947102I’m so excited for 11th edition and the starter set that comes with it. a greentide will roll over /40kg/ and it will belong to the orks.
>>97947185If they were reintroducing largest points they would have made a big deal of it in the previews.
>>97947208space wolves all suffer from immunodeficiency, and so are very weak. the marines malevolent could have killed them all with his bare hands, but he chose to be merciful and gave them a quick death.
>>97947221I'll be interested in how the 11th box changes the player-per-army counts. Necrons and tyranids have been stomping Orks lately due to their launch boxes, but I'm willing to put money down that Orks are going to reach the top with this one coming out.I mean, everyone who knows about 40k knows about Orks. Theyre like the de facto xenos to the setting.
>>97947233Starter boxes always push a faction through the roof. Death Guard is still the most popular Chaos faction and it's been nine years since their starter.
>>97947205Scale is pretty much identical, but the necks are shaped weirdly on the GW traitor guard. From their heads, you need to cut away a good bit, but also the holes in their torsos need some filling to glue the WGA heads onto there. Here is a pic i did a couple days ago.
>>97947239Very true. I'm more curious to see if Orks will top necrons' lead. They're still the top currently if I'm correct. Not only were they a launch box but they were a launch box during the covid times where everyone was getting into nerd hobbies. They got a huge advantage due to that.
>>97947239They also have 3 times the kits of any other cult legion thoughtbeit
>>97947244I thought Tyranids beat them.
>>97947216Already got him. Its a great sculpt desu. I really like it.Seeing that promo pic.. is it me, or do they get worse? That one Kasrkin just standing there idly with his energy sword and not even aiming the bolt pistol looks so bad.
>>97947245If it was just that they wouldn't be more popular that standard CSM.
>>97947230>marines malevolentBased
>Orks can't even take one planetlmfao
>>97947247I could definitely be wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if tyranids beat them. The last chart I saw showed necrons on too but it's certainly old now.
>>97947255they may never take armageddon, but they have taken my heart.
>>97947240Not bad!
>>97947252World Eaters are another top chaos army in popularity and they had neither a starter set or even a diverse collection of kits. Anyway my point wasn't that the starter set didn't help DG, of course it has. But there is more at play with them as well.
>>97947251>his energy swordNigga u blind I ain't finna read that
>>97947075Just finished my 3rd Repentia and I am much happier with how it turned out compared to the last 2.
>>97947255At least they actually managed to reach it. Chaos has been trying to take Terra for ten thousand years and it's still nowhere in the neighborhood
>>97947255armageddon will be green
>>97947187bastado
>>97947279Luna was invaded by Magnus and the thousand sons and Terra had about a million daemons drop on it during the Gathering Storm thoughbeit.
>>97947251yeah, that entire pic looks awkward. those orks are way too close up that dude with the plasma gun that isn’t raised up yet is 100% going to have his head caved in before he can fire. would be way better to have the guard on the high ground like over some taller stairs to get, or at least have the ork running with the choppa coming after the dude with the energy sword to make it look like the kasirkin is ready to parry the blow.
>1 billion unique Inquisitor models>not a single generic option in production
>>97947287And what happened to them
>>97947308The same thing that's going to happen to the orks.
>>97947222They didn's say shit in the previews and there's still 2 months to drip feed stuff.
>>97947308Nothing, because nothing ever happens. Which is fine for a sandbox setting, but not for a character driven narrative.
>>97947315>They didn's say shit in the previewsThey mentioned the new missions, the new melee, the new terrain.
>>97947303Let's be real only Ordo Hereticus have a standardized look, everyone else should be unique.
>>97947324That wasn't the preview, that was in the rules articles. They are still gonna make more of those.
>>97947303What exactly are you missing that you can't built yourself from any of the available kits? You got all the Necromunda Gangs, the Sanctifier KT, the Inquisitorial Agents, Sister kits, Guard kits.. AoS kits.. and thats before even considering any 3rd party stuff. You have endless options for your "generic" Inqusitor.
>>97947333No inquisitor pointy hat.
>>97947303It wouldn't be that bad of the good inquisitors weren't fomo shit
>>97947157You've finished but the decalfag did not
>>97947303What's stopping you from running a unique one as a generic one?
>>97947157Woah how were you able to just FINISH models like that??
>>97947330Nah, the mentioned all of them in the streaming of the preview too. See https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/1s3vk8y/warhammer_40000_the_new_edition_is_revealed_at/>Objectives are now terrain-based>Units can get 15" Lone Op inside terrain>Modular (mini?) detachments>Missions based on your detachments/army>Fights first doesn't go first on defense* (seems like it works as it currently does, except a unit that is charging and has fights first will fight before a defending unit with fights first) >Each unit can only be targeted by 1 strat per turn phase (no CP re-rolling a charge and then activating tank shock) >Roll charge, then choose charge targets >Pile in and consolidations happen simultaneously, rather than when a unit is chosen to fight>you declare your charge target after rolling>combat disembark is a thing>the lone op is only until you've shot, then you are just in combat and available to be shot atNotice how 99% of these things are what was then shown in the rules articles. Notice how everything that was shown in the rules articles was mentioned before in the preview. Notice what instead has never been mentioned.
>>97947346funny seeing those 2 fem inquisitors next to each other. one with boobplate, high heels, sleek armour, stylish hair.the other, fat armour that breaks up her figure, no boobplate, bald and ugly. flat heels
>>97947341AoS has at least 2 models with your typical witch hunter hats
>>97947333Actually, I want to use the generic inquisitor for a necromunda conversion
>>97947372Its not that bad actually, like two actual women with different styles.
Why is this just straight up a tyranid
>>97947387tyranids are canon to magic the gathering now
>>97947075Just finished these guys and I'll let fate chose what I paint next.Evens boyzOdds Shokk Attack Gun. Dubs Trike
I love missile launchers but they are genuinely so shit I can't justify taking them.
>>97947400DAMN
>>97947346One generic Inquisitor with maybe couple head options and some wargear choices has been on my wish list since the 7th edition. Something like the old space marine commander kit but for Inquisitor
>>9794736011th will have 9th style points. Or else.
>>97947346God the new guy is so sick
>>97947387that's nothing
>>97947410*sikh
>>97947074I've wanted DarkMech for over a decade now.
>>97947415heh
>>97947387>>97947398>>97947411Man I wish Warhammer Conquest was more popular. It was such a great game.
>>97947398That's a non-canon set while the other is an actual canon set. Weird that they let it thriugh>>97947411Two of those came out before kroot did but yeah i can really see the resemblance Kroot did come out in 2001 with the rest of tau right? the two on the right are both from 1998
>>97947426>Weird that they let it thriughMinor_spelling_mistake.gif
>>97947407Else then
>>97947426>Kroot did come out in 2001 with the rest of tau right?They appeared in art in the Third Edition rulebook in 1998.
>>97947426>That's a non-canon set while the other is an actual canon set.There is no longer that distinction
>>97947426>Two of thosethe first is a reprint of a card as old as the other two
>>97947401same
>>97947441Yes there is. Universes beyond is not canon to the mtg universe.>>97947438That makes sense.I know knightstalkers are older, I think it's just an example of two convergent designs >>97947445Probably true, I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of nightstalkers
>>97947446Is this even legal?
Tips to paint nuzzle burn on a flamer?
>>97947222Well for 10th they made a huge song and dance about how power level was going away and only points would be in and that was a 100% blatant lie so maybe things work in reverse and not doing that means points are actually coming back this time.
>>97947446>look like they have the butcher's nails>can't be taken in world eaters
>Now that I have money to spend all the tau stuff I liked has been removedPain
>>97947468Rule of cool. Who cares for tourny "legal" shit.
>>97947469Violet and sepia washes
>>97947468Yes it is.
>>97947481And some black drybrush on the tip?
>>97947468yes
>>97947474Orcas? Tetras? Railgun piranhas?
>>97947487I used some plack pigment. No, I'm not gonna post models, but it's an easy enough way to do it
>>97947494r'varnay'vahraxv9knarloc ridersgreat knarloc
>>97947453>just an example of two convergent designsTo be fair the Kroot we got in the actual release look closer to those 1998 mtg designs, the Kroot in the 3rd rulebook looks more like an armored exoskeleton crab alien presumably Kroot could evolve into crab by eating them but that's a separate issue
>>97947074>Admech with spikesOR>IG with spikesHow someone can think any of those concepts have any appeal is beyond me.
>>97947477>female custodes POV
Are the stitched cloaks on aeldari corsairs meant to be skin cloaks? Or just shittily made pirate cloaks? I can’t tell from the box art since the inside of all the cloaks are the same tan color.
>>97947522>>t. plays homosexual evil BDSM space elves who murder and torture everyone
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>97947532yes
>>97947468Why wouldn't it be?
>>97947536In your ass?
>>97947536Kabalites have the coolest design in 40K.
>>97947548Those options are not in the hecking box!
>>97947562Many (are not) saying this.
>>97947532Can’t you bring Corsairs in either Eldar or Dark Eldar armies? I imagine it depends on how “moral” you wanna make your dudes. If he’s a noble rogue it’s a patch work cape. If he’s aligned with Commorragh it’s a skin cloak.
>>97947572Yes?
>>97947584It's unfair to force folx to buy 2 boxes for their desired loadout
>>97947587you need to buy 4 if you want 4 reaper chaincannons (cocksuckers only put 1 in a box)
>>97947532Many corsairs are deldar, so it would make sense if it was a skin cloak
>>97947487Not that anon, but I normally just use black legion contrast for the very tip and immediate surrounding area.
>>97947610That's what she said
>>97947472Sorry, blowing somebody apart with a rocket launchers or heavy bolters apparently doesn't cause enough blud for the bludgod.
>>97947562Well they're about to get redesigned (again) according to Valrak.
>>97947532It's not a drukhari skin cloak because those have the faces of their victims on it
>>97947587Brother.
>>97947615but khorne always liked big guns, there's even a warband of khornates that specialise in ranged weaponry in the fluff of the book
>>97947620Those are HH and not compatible with the 40k model ranges
>>97947619That's how you know the corsair is slowly rehabilitating himseldar from his drew carrey past.
>>9794762040k is the newfag entrapment game. HH is for dedicated grogs.
>can equip 1 special weapon per 5 models>only 1 special weapon in a box of 10 modelsWhy is gw so jewish?
>>97947631HH is for terminal marinefag entrapment
>>97947639Oh, let us fix that *reduces options to 1 sw per 10 man squad*
>>97947623World Eaters are now flanderized as the unga-bunga retard legion who only know how to charge forward and swing an axe.
Where's collage anon?
How do we feel about 3D printed stuff of a feudal Imperial Guard Regiment that James Workshop won't do in a million years? I just finished my "concept model" for a new army I'm about to start painting.
>>97947661Don't be a daydreaming failure
>>97947652They really are not. its just retards forgetting how to read.
>>97947620>pay 80$ to get 20 models, all with the same 5 identical poses>then pay 47$ on top just to get the weapon options>spending 127$ on this shit alone.It's funny seeing people buy into this. Kirby was 100% right."We have a customer base eat up anything we make."
>>97947667Concern Trolling: The Spam
>>97947661>weWho cares? Do what you love to do Anon. There are at least two guys in here who have a printed feudal guard army.
Do you often see Daemon players?Will the faction stay for the 11th?
>>97947667It's not a dream. It's real.
>>97947682Their pdf index will be valid in 11th but no further support
Is New Recruit still the best list writer currently?
>>97947682I play daemons but that only came about because I collected them for my CSM and at some point it was like 'hey I can play daemons'
>>97947682nonodemons stay as a pdf, can be allied as a specific detachment, eventually go to legends when the 4 god legions get their small waves of 40k exclusive cyberdemons
>>97947056Is there anyone who says "Tau don't fit the setting properly" while being fine with Votann? Because the Votann seem even less morally ambiguous than the Tau.
Man I haven't lurked in here in like three months, nor visited my /lgs/. Last time I played anything was a boarding action almost two months ago.
>>97947713Is boarding action fun? Seems like it would be if the lists are well matched.
>>97947685I call them the Cobalt Motorheads or Cimmerian 77th Mechanized Infantry Regiment
>>97947714If you don't care about winning, the interactions you get out if it are pretty fun. I got stomped hard in both games, Ultramarines with the new 500 Worlds detachment are really OP but still it had a blast.
>>97947671>they are really notPlease show me all the shooty units on the WE roster that aren't hand-me-downs from the regular CSM line, then. Face it, WE are type-cast as melee only and you'll have to cross your fingers and wait for 2030 (when they get a new model) to say otherwise.
>>97947626All of the heavy weapons are compatible with the 40k ranges as they come with their own arms and every 40k and 30k marine has flat arm joints.
>>97947685In thag case: good job and keep going!
>>97947674You do realize that's still cheaper than getting full squads of any of the devastator units in 40k, right?
>>97947710"X doesn't fit the setting" is consistently said by idiots who think the setting is about Imperial Gothic cathedrals and not just anything from sci-fi/fantasy not nailed down that GW could get away with stealing. You should ignore them.
>>97947721>should we give them a heavy weapons squad?>or an apothecary?>nah, how about a fatass eightbound characterfuck james
>>97947710Votann strip mine planets into barren husks and lie about doing so in there contracts with other factions.
>>97947722They're from different settings, so they're not compatible. It's very confusing for a new player.
>>97947710I find it hard to believe there are people who think Tau don't fit 40k but votann do (and vice versa)
>>97947733No, Cruddace.
>>97947726Thanks. I'm doing one squad soon, another on order along with some Chimera expies I'm making up to look like Sherman tanks because they're basically Steel Legion in terms of tactics with more "patriotic" flavoring.
>>97947733Is there anything about Votann selling their mined material to forgeworlds or is any connection just never mentioned?
>>97947741meant for >>97947732
>>97947736it's not that they don't fit conceptually, but rather that their execusion is silly. Later iterations need to move away from the whole dwarf/nordic designs and make them more distinctly alien aka demiurg. They should be dwarfs in stature only.
>>97947741There's art
>>97947677concern trolling implies they don’t want the anon to follow through. everyone here would absolutely love to see orks painted with tarellian dog soldier skin color, hashut csm, and tow chaos marauders proxying 40K cultists, but 95% of the time they never follow through, so now anons bring up being a daydreaming failure in hopes to either goad them into going through with it or getting them to stop filling up the thread with pointless bullshit.
>>97947075Guilliman's strongest company.
anchor post when
>>97947090All i know isRed goes fasterYellow = big dakkaGreen is bestBlue is Luckiest colorAnything else i need to know?
Finished my collage entry but waiting for collageanon so I can post it
>he missed out of the best dice they ever releasedgrim.
>>97947075Name my band
>>97947773You were called a troll but you're the only one responding to my posts. People here clearly don't care about newly painted models.
>>97947824>NiggerchildMost badass yet still unused metal band name.
>>97947824The Scales of War.
>>97947824>he collects AoSlopewww.
>>97947824Huh? How come the proportions of the Dorn look alright in this pic?
>>97947276I like the blood details. Just the right amount and texture
Can someone point me to a video or guide or something about movement in the game? I suck at it. My melee dudes can never charge what I want and my shooty dudes never have line of sight on anything important.
>>97947851Unironically try asking on Reddit, in particular on the competitive Warhammer subeddit.
>>97947851what army do you play
>>97947851https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm80D7DeDo4
>>97947851https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-4unOusn4gMaybe Joushi? He talks about Guard specifically but a lot of the advice should apply to most other armies.
>>97947880>>97947881Nice, thanks!>>97947865Looked around but they don't have any resources and I don't wanna ask such vague questions.>>97947873Marines but I suck so much I need advice on fundamentals, not something army specific.
>>97947773>concern trolling implies they don’t want the anon to follow throughYes. /tg/ users are bucket crabs. They don't want people to get better; they want people to stay bad so that they can be mocked.The way to get people to do things is not to berate them; everyone knows this.
i actually went and checked a lot of profiles on wahapediawhy is it that people call banshees broken and things like sword bretheren or bgvs bad when banshees are just shittier versions of both2 attacks each is pathetic
>>97947902Without getting into the math I can see that 5 banshees are 40 points cheaper than 5 sword brethren and are way, way faster. Also I don't see anyone calling bladeguard bad when they are in pretty much every list.
>Here at Warhammer Community, we’ve got more from the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, including miniatures reveals, and something very special on Friday – you won’t want to miss it!Hmm
>>97947902Fight First is pretty strong
>>97947918Point costs confirmed.
>>97947902banshees also have fights first and advance and charge while being cheaper and having access to battle focus
>>97947824Reptar and the Raptards.>>97947837That model long predates Smegmar.
>>97947902We're not yet in 11e. Fights First is still a game-shaping rule.
>>97947929Do you think he's just keeping it on a round base for fun?
>>97947896>Marines but I suck so much I need advice on fundamentals, not something army specific.Start thinking (further) ahead. Where do you want to go, where's does the enemy likely want to go, how fast can all of them get there (or go somewhere else if they change their minds) and what shooting lanes and charge opportunities does this result in? Then you start moving in the right direction a turn or three in advance.
When will they return....
After I am done with my Ultramarines I'm not painting anything marine related for a long time.
>>97947902Two attacks each is fine for an elite unit. All those other units that have 5 or 6 attacks each need to be pared way the fuck back.Every unit needing 40+ fucking attacks is one of the biggest cancers on the modern game.
>>97947932what makes fights first so powerful?Im a guard players so i've always treated melee as just something that sometimes happens
>>97947629>himseldar
Anyone happens to have White Dwarf #522 PDF?
>>97947946himself himsELF
>>97947939Never ever
>>97947942>>97947902GW needs to take a look at 30k and reign down the numbers. The basic profile should be 1W 1A.
>Graves can be attached directly to a command squadI know its a complete fucking misuse of points, but the idea of running a super cadian command squad with Graves an Nork sounds too fun to pass upNork makes the entire unit T6 (as long as you run the command squad by itself) now you have a t6 command squad running around with 3 powerfists and Nork's melee for just under 200 points
>>97947532Ynnari troops, so some of them are Deldars
>>97947944>>what makes fights first so powerful?Fights First ALWAYS goes first.
>>97947944Currently, the defender's Fights First goes off before the attackers. So if you have it, you're basically un-chargable because you'll always swing before your opponent gets to.This is changing in 11th where the attacker's Fights First will trigger before the defenders.Frankly, I'd rather see them go back to the old way of Initiative. But barring that, two units with Fights First should attack at the same time. They'd likely wipe each other out but that's the cost of the cancer of units with 40+ attacks.
>>97947959I may be remembering wrong but the only change in 11th is that charges count as fight first, right?
>>97947940Are you me?
What do you read / watch to become a better player? Im embarrassingly bad at gsc and want to get better before I give up
>>97947957>Nork makes the entire unit T6 (as long as you run the command squad by itself)how does that work?
>>97947615I think "blood" isn't literally blood, it means killing/fighting, hence the expressions "drawing blood" or "first blood"
>>97947966That is true but when that situation occurs your opponent's FF wins over yours (WHICH IS FUCKING STUPID FUCK YOU GW I'M SUCK OF THE FUCKING LION FUCK)
>>97947953I'm fine with Space Marines getting the second wound in 40k since there's enough non-marine armies to make them feel tougher than the normal battleline shmuck.
>>97947074Darkmech is entirely and easily doable with CSM at this point. Just convert some spikey techpriests to fit the Warpsmith, Discolord or new IW guy's datasheets, use spare skitarii bits for various DAMNED keyword troops, then use daemon engines as they are for the bulk of the list. Bring Vashtorr and/or chaos knights for extra flavour.
>>97947944Fighting in both the fights first/regular phases start with the non-active player, so a Fights First unit will fight ahead of anything charging, whether it was charged or sits slightly behind the charge target as a heroic threat, so it significantly complicates the game plan of any melee army an especially of a hybrid army that only has a few charge threats.>>97947966Charge already gives Fights First, but 11e is changing the fight order so that one charging unit at least gets to fight immediately (which is also how it worked in 8e/9e; 10e buffed the rule significantly).
>>97947962I don't want the old initiative back, but a simplified one where 99% of the units starts with 1, charging gives +1 and units with fight first get another +1 (and you have some things that can give -1) would make everything clearer.
>>97947966Charges currently count as giving your unit Fights First. The downside is that the defender's Fights First takes priority over the attacker.
>>97947824 B.C Rockhttps://youtu.be/-XzL4FNACuM?si=fB9FnnRmTdYInqik
>>97947966>>97947976Charges have always given Fights First.The change is that instead of Defenders (Non-turn player) getting it, now attackers get it. So you can charge Lelith or Jain Zar and be completely fine, slaughtering them with like scout chainswords
>>97947970
>>97947977Being T4 and having a 3+ armour save already makes them tougher than most other infantry. Thogh while we're at it bring back old AP so that 2+ and 3+ armour save actually mean something.
>>97947902Banshees are hard cartied by the exarch. The executioner can easily kill 3 termies in a single round of combat
>Here at Warhammer Community, we’ve got more from the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, including miniatures reveals, and something very special on Friday – you won’t want to miss it!Any ideas? Armageddon full reveal? Announcement of a full reveal?
>>97947981>(which is also how it worked in 8e/9eWell shit seems like I've been playing it wrong all of 10th I kept doing it like in 9th.
>>97947918Guilliman 2.0?
>>97947980do not expect chaos players to convert their models, that's ableist
Done with my second LR for my IW. What are you anons working on?
>>97947983Eh, I think the granularity of the old way was better. And giving a bonus on charge I think is great. I really like how Old World handles it where the charger gets +1 to their Initiative for each inch they move in a charge, up to +3 to the total. Which allows even basic humans to get a boost over basic elves.Which also would help because standard human was I3, Space Marines I4, Eldar I5, Orks relied on their numbers and toughness to survive long enough get their I2 attacks in.
>>97947997Oh apologies I see this was already posted, my mistake
>>97947968I need to paint Cato (current project), then in no particular order, redemptor dread, calgar, wardens, and a box of termies. After that I will get whatever xeno models that I find cool, leaning towards necrons the most, but also nids, and tau seem cool. No space elves as they are too humanoid.
Collage entry is stalled because I can't fit all of my memes in it. I'm up to three 40mm objective markers worth of dead Space Wolves, but feels like it's not enough space.
>>97947957You can apparently attached Creed or a Castellan to a Cadian Squad too and than have that Squad attach to the Command Squad with Nork+Graves attached to it.
>>97947992It's the degrading armour saves which is why I think the 2W was necessary to address the toughness idea.And the fact that GW stopped balancing the game around the S3, T3, 1W Guardsman as the baseline and has made the S4,T4, 2W Intercessor the baseline it balances everything around.
>>97947983>>97948006That's how it works in 30k. Weapons have initiative modifiers instead of just last or first.
>>97948006The granularity was better, having entire armies completely fucked in one phase in which they should actually be good before listbuilding even started was the problem. There is a reason for why>Orks are a melee army>I2Was a meme.
why are elves in 40k so slowdark elves are basically slower than gladius and ec
Wait so if there are several fights happening but no charges this turn or fight first units engaged, what's the order?
>>97948014>It's the degrading armour saves which is why I think the 2W was necessary to address the toughness idea.Nah, it was GW giving primaris inflated stats so they were straight up better than regular marines. Same reason they have bolt rifles, plasma incinerators and pyreblasters that are just +1 versions of the old weapons instead of either using the old weapons as is or buffing them. Same reason blade guard when they came out had 3 wounds for no fucking reason.
>>97948015I haven't played much of HH3.0, but while I do like the idea of some weapons giving bonuses or penalties to initiative, I do think the charge itself should be the defining factor.
Fights first is so shit to deal with as an ork player, glad it's changing next edition
>>97948014>And the fact that GW stopped balancing the game around the S3, T3, 1W Guardsman as the baseline and has made the S4,T4, 2W Intercessor the baseline it balances everything around.That's not how it works. People will always build their army to deal with marines because marines are 70% of the opponents they will find, and because everything that deal with Marines will also deal with GEQ.
>>97947980>ConvertFuck off.
>>97948027Look forward to it change into fight last debuff.
>>97948017That's why I am pro Initiative bonus on the charge.
>>97948028When all Marines got a second Wound in 9th, so many factions got weapons that were AP - Fuck You and D2, negating any bonus to a second wound. And then they all cried with Marine players were, by necessity, taking units that had Invuln saves because no amount of armour could withstand the god-awful codex power creep of 9th.
Bring back templatesBring back gear pointsBring back tank armor facing and tables
>>97948020because 40k is poorly designed and favours specialists over generalists do you know what happens when the glass cannon army is also very fast? reliable alpha strikes that break the gamethat's why eldar are always on a pendulum of game breaking OP to ridiculously UP
>>97948029Oh no. People hobbying in their hobby
>>97947728It's not.
>>97948045>glass cannonbut drukhari is generally one of the least damaging armies in the gamevast majority of damage is 1 damage, most stuff has ap0 (like splinter rifles). With the sole exception of like Hellions they aren't much of a cannon.
>>97948033Sure, but at that point either you remove that level of granularity or you make the initiative charge bonus extremely high to compensate, or you end up like when Orla had Furious Charge so on the charge they went from I2 to I3 which nobody except like 2 units cared about
>>97948038The changes were more in terms of consistency - it's not that factions got D2 weapons out of the blue, it's that 9e's power creep involved turning Dd3 weapons into flat D2 for notably increased efficiency into MEQ.
>>97947918>and something very special on FridayAnother cinematic
>>97948052>but drukhari is generally one of the least damaging armies in the gamenow ask yourself why that is in light of what I've told youor do you need me to explain what a pendulum is?
>>97948050It really is
>>97948023alternate starting with the player whose turn it isn't
>>97948038>When all Marines got a second Wound in 9th, so many factions got weapons that were AP - Fuck You and D2, negating any bonus to a second woundSure, but even if a single weapon in an entire army had D2 and good Ap you would still find that weapon taken as much as possible to deal with marines.
>>97948026In 3.0 charges don't have bonuses to initiative but initiative increases your charge roll and lets you shoot volley fire first (basically assault and pistol weapons get to shoot again during the charge) which is cool because in 40k pistols and other ranged weapons for melee units might aswell not exist.
>>97948042>Bring back templatesYes, reward proper positioning. And scatter dice. GW hasn't been able to balance Indirect Fire since they got rid of scatter.>Bring back gear pointsGod yes. 10th is a failed experiment in that regard.>Bring back tank armor facing and tablesI want to say yes to reward proper positioning, but I don't see Armour Values and Hull Points returning but they could simply set different Toughness values on the different facings and have it work as it does now. So like a Rhino would be T11 from the front but only T9 in the rear. Damage table would be nice to see come back. Would be great if they used the table they just revealed for that Armageddon sub-game as standard for 11th.
>>97948050It is the moment you want more than a single loadout. For havocs you need to get 2 havoc kits to get 4 of every weapon and a 10 man legionnary squad to get bodies for a total of 3 squads, one of loadout. With the 30k upgrade sprues you can get 4 squads for the same price and even get two squads with the same loadout, not just one.
>>97948074>but I don't see Armour Values and Hull Points returningWhy not? They work great in 30k.>but they could simply set different Toughness values on the different facings and have it work as it does now. So like a Rhino would be T11 from the front but only T9 in the rear.That's what necromunda does and it's practically functionally the same as AVs, except AVs don't need to fuck up the S/T table to work.
>>97948089Unless you want a squad of reaper chaincannons. In which case you need four havoc boxes.
What's your ideal max point number for a game?1000?2000?3000?Or some of the less usual things like less than 1000, 1500 or 3000+?What do you play the most?
>>97948103My fav is 2k but me and my friends always play at 1k cause 2k takes too long for us
>>97948103The ideal is 1500 with the army sizes of 3rd. 1000 for casual play. Your entire collection for apocalypse games once a year.
Most annoying army to fight against?which army deserves the biggest nerf for the 11th?
>>97948136Eldar
>>97948103I like 1500 but everyone around me is 2k
>>97948136c'tancodex marines (delete gladius and blades)
>>97948137>he doesn't know
I love painting robot
>>97948136Dunno i lose against most of them
Old Eldar art has so much SOVL. Thinking about painting my army this way.
>>97948114Agree 100%
>>97948136Eldar's always got some bullshit up their ass sleave. Knights and custards are straight up boring to play against. I can't say I've played against something completely broken, though, as my friend group is pretty casual. I hate how the game is full of gotcha moments now
>>97948157good luck on avoiding true metallic metal
>>97948136Knights
>>97947900>they want people to stay bad so they can be mockedI posted these guys a while back, and got nothing but praise for them even though they look funky as shit.
>>97948137Some things don't change.
>>97948157Someone did this at a GD
>>97947056WIP, obviously. I'm a complete newb at sculpting, and you realize immediately that there's an infinite skill ceiling, but it's been fun to dip my toes in
>>97948153i wish i was good at painting
>>97948178fuck the other aspects
So how does the latest edition play?I was having troubles playing the previous one with my friend, even in ultra super casual style - no stratagem, no detachment, nothing, just default painted models and role dices - mainly the back and forth of checking the stat sheets every time we wanted to roll, and checking for armor, saves, etc.it's just a lot of time spent looking at numbers and not a lot of time "playing"is it a matter of skill issues?
>>97948194Yes
>>97948178>picture for antsthat really cool
>these pro painters that get models way earlier than anyone elseFuck these guys, having a fully painted wazdakka and the fucker has just gone on pre order
Loadout afternoon
>>97948194I feel like a positive for 11th could be simplifying weapon profiles so they could have a condensed reference sheet in game again. I just don’t think two datasheets per page in the codex means they’re using their space well.
>>97948194Bad because while GW have made the core rules extremely anemic, that same fact means most interactions in the game need you to constantly reference "abilities" stacked on top of eachother spread all over your army with very little consistency instead of having robus core mechanics that apply to everything consistently.
>>97948244>simplifying weapon profilesThe fuck is there to simplify? We need properly crunchy profiles that can work through stats and USRs.
Talk me out of buying the new Imperial Guard box at full MSRP right now
How welcome are specialist game models here?Been working on a Craftworld for BFG I want to incorporate in a mixed campaign with my gaming group.
Dark Machanicum sworn to Nurgle, who've rebuilt computers and machines entirely out of bionic material. Instead of wires transmitting ones and zeros, they're veins carrying tiny bugs.
>>97948285Anything FW and IA will get a kino out of me.
>>97948282Well, they are Imperial Guard.
>>97947851You guys underestimate the free version of the official app way too much.
>>97948244>I feel like a positive for 11th could be simplifying weapon profilesMotherfucker, they already shrimplified this shit when entering 10th and it fucking sucks.You want MORE of that?By 12th edition we probably won't even have fucking weapon/ballistic skill and we just roll dice and if it hits 4,5 or 6 you get to shoot your opponents model which just insta dies and has no saving throws.
>>97948300What has the app to do with this?
>>97948298And? You're listing positives right now.
>>97948303Wouldn't be surprised if they copy AoS and have fixed to wound rolls rather than the psuedo table of S vs T we have dight now
>>97948276A-Are those t-t-t-t-templates?AAAAIIIIEEEEE
>>97948310That works for aos, but it would fuck up so much of 40k's structure for very little benefit
>>97948310One of the things I dislike the most about AoS is how there's no S/T table and damge spills over so there's literally nothing to think about while choosing targets. Bigger number = more kills every single time.
>>97948153Machinarium kind of vibe
>>97948309Welp, I tried.
>>97948315It arguably doesn't work for AoS either.
>>97947074Neither.Could they each get a dedicated kit or two WITHIN CSM? Sure, that sounds like a lovely idea. But spinning them off to be their own armies is utterly fucking retarded.
>>97948316>nothing to think aboutthat explains all the blacks and foids in that game
>>97948282Why would you? Just wait until you can buy the new vehicles indvidually for 20% off.
>>97948303>>97948276To be fair in 10th they managed to simplify everything while at the same time making everything a lot more complicated because now there are a hundred thousand variants of every weapons and you can't just say "I shoot with a plasma gun" because there are a shitload of them all with different rules
>>97948276This is gonna sound extremely nitpicky but Breaching and Rending are way cooler names than Lethal Hits and Devastating Wounds even though the rules are exactly the same mechanicaly.
>>97948303>advocating for a return to something similar to how second edition handled war gear to avoid flipping through dozens of pages to remember what your guys do is shrimplifying things
it's crazy how GW has just been releasing broken stuff back to back to back
>>97948347it makes sense if the idea that the campaign books have a different team who work on them because all this busted crap is mostly from these new books
>>97948282Shits sold out isnt it?
>>97948347And QC issues becoming more and more of a thingAND ITS ONLY GONNA GET WORSE
>>97948017>There is a reason for why>Orks are a melee army>I2>Was a meme.It's mainly because I spammed it non stop for months at the beginning of every thread to make it a meme. I found it funny.>t. Originator of the meme
>>97948360There's been a lot of fuckups recentlyDrukhari maelstrom box missing hellions and recalled.Saying the eldar corsairs combat patrol could build a falcon in marketing when it couldn'tSome other boxes missing sprues
I think that modifiers to toughness rolls shouldn't exist.I can understand getting a better balisitic skill because of an order or strategem, but your shitty gun shouldn't be able to wound a tank better because someone shouted at you loudly or someone is merely in your presence.
>>97948346You know for a fucking fact that GW is never returning back to 2nd edition rules. The shit will just be fucking worse than we have now, in everyway possible.
>>97948347It's a feature.
>>97948387Water splashes against metal, but it can cut through it if focused. Same principle.
>>97948387I mean wound rolls
>>97948391I mean there's a reason why the switch in 3rd happened. 2ed style rules don't work past the skirmish game level. It's why necromunda reused the same core and why it works much better there. 40k works much better with the 3rd edition format.
>>97948360ok that one is funny
So what is the better, the Chimera or the not! world war II half track? My first glance made me think that the Chimera was a better choice. It's tougher and has lots of gun options. In saying that, firing deck 12 on the half track looks like shenanigans could occur.
40k takes itself too seriously now
>>97948412Tourny fags to blame
Do you want points to remain the same, points to be reduced for everything, or points to be added for everything?
A lot of people think the show they are making will be an adaptation of one of the books, but I think it's more likely to be an original storyas it would likely brings a few new characters miniatures for the game to get the watchers to play the game or existing fans to pay more.Though I don't know if they will focus on SM or others...
>>97948418Added. tired of having to buy 50000 boxes for a regular army.
>>97948418Increased for everything.
>>97948409210 points if I wanted to put 6 catachan lascannons into the half track, a platform that is not very tough. Is it worth it? Eh
1500 boys, where we at?
>>97948432>Monkey's paw curl : they make a completely new faction based on something from the show and it's made to be super easy to play to bring newcomers
>>97948387the roll is called "to wound" but it's effectively just extra granularity on the hit rollthe same abstractions that apply to the first apply to the second>troops are firing in coordinated ways>troops are firing at identified weakspots>troops' morale is redoubled and they fire more >troops' weapons are overcharged by a specialist and so on
Should I take the Shuriken cannon or Wraithcannon for my corsair voidreavers?
>>97948392I have a theory that the Chinese recasters and Russians already had their hands on the original metal models that got reused into finecast.They just used those metal models to make the moulds then used resin and that was how they were producing better quality finecast models than GW themselves.Was all the above true?
>>97948417Was at the LGS yesterday picking up some paint when 3 smelly dudes were shitting on another local player. One was bragging about getting his first 100 points against the guy and they all laughed when they found out he only scored 16 points and called his list building shit. The fat guy then pulls out a Velcro Snorlax wallet to pay for some models. These competitive nerds sure are fucking mean.
GW doesn't like it when models and armies exist in multiple systems, right? Then how do they justify using the same Custodes models from HH in 40k? How can you be sure that GW won't just retcon the entire faction to Legends?
>>97948412>40k takes itself too seriously nowis the ork biker throwing you off or the quintessentially british exotic game hunter?
>>97948450They don't really care about their own rules, it's all on the moment
>>97948450>GW doesn't like it when models and armies exist in multiple systems, right?They do not. They generally want models and armies to be stuck in their own games and not reusable beyond as conversion fodder.>Then how do they justify using the same Custodes models from HH in 40k?Probably to boost sales of them I think. Just a guess.>How can you be sure that GW won't just retcon the entire faction to Legends?Any faction can get a big squatting into the legends graveyard on a whim. This happened with the marines when GW was panicking for money and pumped out primaris as a desperate gamble alongside contrast paints.But that was just models. The army did not get done away with as a concept.Space marines and CSM marines are a staple army of 40k so they won't go anywhere.
>>97948347First time?
>>97948450Custodes are a niche and small scale army. Tying them to 1 system would hurt the custodes' sales.
>>97948464aren't most old SM still playable normally though? just not ideals
>>97948444Wraithcannon, it might nuke a light vehicle or HQ or terminator off the board, whereas the shuriken cannon always does nothing in my eldar lists
>>97948369It's an honour to meet you. Still it was true.
>>97948432Adapting an existing book comes with all the hassles of actually having to pay attention to details, while doing something new comes with the issue of people wanting the 'member berries instead.The safest route is doing something new with established character, ideally an inquisition story so the character can do whatever and go whenever and it can focus on humans and use limited CGI or immersion breaking cosplay armours, ideally eisenhorn because it's what people expect, ideally a low stakes, but wide connections, story that can fit between the cracks of the existing canon for the character and setting.
>>97948445A lot of the issue was finecast was shitty resin, and GW early on after swapping from metal to finecast had no idea what they were doing
>>97948387It's just a way to represent shooting at a weak point
Pile of shame chads, our stuff is so old the QC problems are almost non-existent we can't stop winning.
>>97948478>with established characterThis would mean all the previous characters would be changed to look like the actors of that show, which I don't think they willnot only it's something that could cause controversies depending on which character but it also would bring less money compared to a brand new character (while still costly them as much as they would need to change existing miniatures to fit this actor likeliness)
>>97948477All good memes have some truth to them.
>>97948480The real issue is that they knew the resin was shit but kept shipping models anyway. They're fix was making liquid green stuff and told their customers to buy that to fix their fucked up models. Necron characters were horrible to buy all their staves would come in pieces thanks to bubbles separating sections.
>>97948475Thanks. I think I'm going to go 6x pistols/power swords, 2x blasters, 1x wraithcannon, and a neuro disruptor on the felarch. Probably going to have to buy a few more boxes of these guys anyways.
>>97948484Kek my pile of shame hasn't changed since 2017>Ghaz>Old Ghaz>2 Warboss>Big Mek KFF>Painboy>Warboss on bike>Zagstrukk>1 Weirdboy>5 Deff Koptas>2 Dakka Jets>15 Stormboys>18 Nobs>10 Manz>14 Lootas>14 Burnas>6 Killa Kans>1 Deff Dread>1 Squiggoth>1 Gorkanaut>1 Runtherd>20 Grots>86 Slugga Choppa Boys>25 Shoota Boys / 6 Big Shootas>4 Trukks>1 Battleswagon>14 Warbikers>5 Meks
>>97948450Custodes have a range too small to be picky. You can bet that if they ever make 40k exclusive vehicles for them they'll separate the armies.
>>97948486>This would mean all the previous characters would be changed to look like the actors of that showNo, this is Warhammer, characters and units and weapons can change from time to time and from artwork to artwork, there is a measure of flexibility and suspension of disbelief amongst warhammer fans where they accept that different media or works are indeed depicting the same thing even when they differ on the detail.Kant spoke of this.
>>97948500>anon has almost an entire faction as his pilejesus you have enough dammit
>>97948515My boy, I need more
>>97948441The show is 100% in the pov of the Imperium, this would be impossible to do unless it's another SM subcodex or some IG subfaction.There's no real places for new factions for the Imperium, unless you use less popular groups (which would not be the case here for something with mass appeal) or if you introduce something completely new that feels different from all existing faction, which I don't know what could work here.
The warhammer tv show should depict some small scale planetary governor stuff with noble houses or Rogue Trader adventures
>>97948183paint until you get good at it
>>97948533That's not how it works.
>>97948500Wtf why, did you get addicted to buying 2nd hand models or something
>>97948530Fuck that Imperium bullshit, give me Scrap Heap challenge with Orks
>>97948530>PD forces are finally added in the main game>it's for the showThough realistically I don't know what would make them different than guards.
>>97948537Nah they're all brand new. Work and family life just got in the way.
>>97948546Anon you have so many orks you could pay a year of your son college life by selling them alone, you are not a warboss, you do not need more
>>97948157What are the little trireme ships in the back supposed to be?
>>97948528>unless it's another SM subcodex or some IG subfaction.or rebels of the imperium that don't belong to chaos, nids or tau, but only themselves, the sensei and the starchild.
>>97948536yea you also have to think and seek out resources and develop good taste obviously, if you just mindlessly slapchop 300 minis you will improve only a small fraction of what someone who tried their best on 10 individual models would, but it's not like there's some crazy secret method to learning skills. You learn and apply and experiment.
>>97948553That’s what wave serpents used to look like
>>97948560I mean the idea itself can be cool and work but how do you differentiate them gameplaywise? You can't just say "they use guns more" because the T'au already do that
>>97948552I actually considered selling them and starting again. Would help with the mental feeling that there is just too much to tackle. It's a lot of the old boy models so I'd be OK with getting the newer sculpts.
Anons I am working on my Knight Destrier right now and with a complete lack of suitable 150mm oval base toppers around to use I'm gonna build my own terrain instead. My other knights are built on the ruins of an Imperial city, think stuff like Sector Imperialis terrain, old broken statues, and lots of tile floors and roads. Right now the Destrier is in a mid running pose (Left leg is glued in place planted firm to the ground, the right leg is somewhat free moving but the lowest point rests an inch or two off the ground depending on how I move it) making a charge with the thundershock spear, kinda like it just landed on the left leg. I have some room for it to be jumping/walking/whatever over something, what should I use for the debris that it's jumping over?>A cut-up junker Chimera (Either the back or one of the sides) with a dead Guardsman or 2 nearby>A 3D printed Centaur (The old one)>A cut-up 3D printed containerI have all the 3D printed stuff already, I'd just have to saw it at an angle to fit the base.
>>97948572With the new edition it be the perfect time to do thatmaybe keep a few of your most rare ones or the ones you prefer and sell the others
>>97948569asymmetrical warfare and guerrilla tactics but without the melee and numbers of genecults
I want to start an Imperium army. What should I go for? I’m ruling out imperial guard because I don’t like them and imperial agents (on their own) because they aren’t a real army.
>>97948530An episodic TV series about a Rogue Trader or an Inquisitor dealing with a problem of the week while some background plot also goes on all season long could be easily done but TV series like that don't exist anymore.
>>97948546That's just nuts, you could probably just get someone to commission paint them for you at this point, although that would cost a fortune
>>97948474Not really. There's only the tanks, tacticals and devastators left.
>>97948581The range of possibility to your question is incredibly wide. Do you have any preferences in terms of play style? Do you want something beginner friendly? How price sensitive are you?
>>97948567The name makes more sense now.
>>97948469>>97948504Wouldn't these arguments apply equally to Ad Mech, yet they don't allow HH crossover for them.
>>97948588This. You are getting an 8 episode miniserie with half the episodes in the middle being boring filler and you are going to like it. Next season is 8 episodes in 5 years.
>>97948609Yes but you forget the crucial fact that GW hates AdMech.
>>97948609? Admech has more shit than drukhari or gsc.
he's the good guy
>>97948609Admech have a colossal range compared to custodes. They have what, three times the units?
>>97948580>asymmetrical warfare and guerrilla tactics but without the melee and numbers of genecultsYou can already do that with IG wth the right detachments and units
>>97948588More like>surf dracula>dracula surfs in the first two episodes but the season slowly devolves into a side plot about the bride of frankenstien that no one likes or cares about and that takes up the majority of the runtime
>>97948625>um you always have to listen to le gods no matter whatgood goy more like it
>>97948537I have a full storage room of sprues bought on the secondary market. I honestly may have 10000pts of CSM alone still on sprues.
>>97948581Well you should start a Guard ar->I’m ruling out imperial guard because I don’t like them OK well in that case>Vanilla MarinesEveryone has some sort of Marine list at some point in their life, and you could start with the marine half of the new Launch Box>Chapter Specific MarinesDepends on your playstyle, if you don't have a Melee army yet Black Templars might be cool. Just avoid Grey Knights for now since they're 100% getting a refresh next edition and Space Wolves at all costs >SistersI'm personally not a fan, but if that floats your vibe then do it. Just know you'll be doing a fuckton of painting with them to make them look good>CustodesSupposedly they're one of the cheapest and easiest armies to build, and definitely one of the easiest to paint. Get them if you like Gold>AdMechLol. Lmao even. If you don't want to do Guard then definitely don't look into AdMech>Imperial KnightsYou can do some real fun things with Knights kitbash/build wise, but just know you're a Stat-Check army for the most part.tl;dr You should just play Guard
>>97948609Admech have 34 DatasheetsCustodes have 12, of which half are either characters or Space Marine kits painted gold.
>>97948598In terms of play style, I enjoy something with at least some depth to it. I don’t want something that’s too simple/boring to play. Not very picky about the specifics beyond that.I would like to keep price down but price is secondary to how cool the army is. If the army looks cool I will have more fun painting it, which means I’m more willing to spend for it. Painting and playing both have to be enjoyable, though. I don’t want to painstakingly paint a giant hunk of dogshit.
>>97948639Fuck man thats straight up depressing, like anon I do have a large amount of orks but just about all of them were bought second hand and I have little to no use for most of them right now. Trying to get a bunch of shit finished before 11e but honestly I dont know what. Definitely not starting on the 100+ unpainted boyz I have if they are planning on refreshing them
>>97948581Space Wolves (AWWOOOOOO!!!!). Maybe knights if you're feeling it, but really you should start with space wolves.
>>97948658Decal bro....
>>97948653I don't mind mine room of shame since I keep selling parts of it away for much more than I spent on them back in the day. It really boils down to shit either hitting my hobby table first or ending up on the marketplace if I have time to take pictures.
>>97948103I like 1000, it's quicker and you can still get some varied lists made to try things out.
>>97948609>Wouldn't these arguments apply equally to Ad MechNo because Admech has a fuck load of units and models when compared to the Custodes.Also GW already separated 40k admech and 30k admech into separate things and they have vastly different design philosophies too.And for the forseeable future we can be certain that GW is NOT merging the ranges. At best we might get merging of the ranges in like 2032 during 13th edition. And this is based on the assumption that 40k even manages to get to 2032 without GW going bankcrupt or otherwise failing.
>>97948581Buy the 11th ed box and build some blood angels.
>>97948667The new Maelstrom stuff is legit fun for 1k games
The fans don't want space marines to be eunuchs and GW should listen to them.
>>97948632the gods say troll the materiumI agree
>>97948701Space marines are mere golems created for war. No better than a servitor.
What's the most bigbrain army to play?
>>97948652For depths you honestly can't go that wrong with most imperium factions, even normal ass Space Marines have so many units and so many different detachments that you can do tons of fun shit with them depending on what you wanna do. The baseline simplest Imperium faction is probably custodes just because you're fielding so few units, though to some extent this in itself also adds some strategy.For price, Space Marines/Custodes are probably about tied for cheapest, Space Marines since you can find tons of second hand shit on ebay or facebook marketplace and with the new edition about to launch they'll be getting a cheap launch box half that's a good starting point, Custodes because each model costs so many points that you don't need a lot to fill up an army.Ad Mech are the most expensive army in the game basically, the points-to-dollar ratio is just terrible. They're also fairly similar to Guard in terms of their mechanical identity, though their look is very different.I wouldn't really recommend Sisters, they're the kind of army where you would probably already know if they were your thing.I also don't think Knights are an ideal place to start 40k.Honestly, I'd probably recommend straight Space Marines, there's enough variety there that anyone should be well pleased overall. Look into some different chapters, see if anything specifically looks appealing to you.
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>>97948701Makes sense, because no one want to be 160 cm cannon fodder as common human in 40k are. Just look how they want that space marines to be the tallest than everyone else
>>97948719Who else could it be?
>>97948750I wish for gsc to get more models
>>97948750
Completely random thought but does anybody else think the blood ravens look to bright in dawn of war 4?ive always thought blood ravens looked better with the darker khorne red.
>>97948498Yeah that's the loadout I built from the combat patrol. I bought just that box as a little add on to my craftworlders
>>97948750I'm yet to win a game with gsc
>>97948762I dunno ask /v/
>>97948755Coven Limousine fucking when?
>>97948767This is proof of how big brain they are.No shitters allowed
Post WIPs.I just started a metal d cannon. Gonna glue the metal gun crew to the same base once painted, do a little diorama type thing.
>>97948762I can't see any blood ravens only primaris wankers.
>>97948776Hopefully never, those look fucking awful.
>>97948786one on the left is a firstborn you daft git
right about everything award
>>97948793You are a homosexual
>>97948782Is that- is that a big dirty mold line? Fucking REEEEEEEEEE
Did GW delist raptors and warp talons off the site…?
>>97948797Unironically Fabius with all his experiments has a lot of potential for creating a brand new faction
>>97948797You could cover this area with smoke or fog or whatever, but instead just decided to leave this ugly shitty brush mark
>>97948803It would appear so
>>97948816sperg
>>97948803Preparing for the csm primaris release
My Chaos Knights codex just came in, boys!
>>97948803They got new models in KT. The only manlets left are the Termie lords and the bikers
>>97948854Fuck Knights
When is GW going to release more models for the genuinely neglected factions?
>>97948797>right about everything awardThat's not the Emperor.
>>97947056>>97947075My Collage entry is under a solid progressFlesh eater is Thinking abaut Wolf Shashlik Bbq
>>97947075Votann i’m working on for next edition.
>>97948867If you mean dark eldar, they already got their model this edition. You'll get another one in 11th.If you mean actually neglected neglected factions (Salamanders, etc.), then we'll see new models for them in like 10 years.
I keep seeing more sylvaneth kitbashes with eldari and its tempting me...oh just where are the exodites already james.
>>97948891Salamanders are not a neglected faction because they are not a faction. Might as well call fucking Alpha Legion a 'neglected faction'.
Test.
>>97948857you can
>>97948871Emperor gets the lied about everything award
I have an Emperors champion NIB and i need a Judiciar for my Ultras army. Aside from a head swap with assume this is a pretty solid conversion right?
>>97948899Oh yeah here it comes, another anon pretending to be the decal merchant
Do you prefer to paint your army with canon colors or you make your owns?
>>97948898You say that but World Eaters, Death Guard, Emperor's Children and Thousand Sons actually got a codex, and it's not like they deserve it more than the Salamanders.
>>97947074Both, but I'll take Dark Mech first.
>>97948935I am personally even an advocate for rolling the cult legions back into CSM, but the idea that 'Codex-compliant marines but with 10% more flamethrowers and 200% more melanin' are equally deserving to be their own faction as any of them is genuinely retarded.
>>97948914I don’t know how you’d do it, but I’d give him something in his other arm to represent the hour glass.
>>97948935>marines but green deserve a codex more than the most iconic chaos marines since 2nd editiongenuinely kill yourself retard
>>97948957It's not like any of those four had a separate clear cut identity from CSM before getting their codex. World Eaters were just the "play lot of berserkers" faction.
>>97947980Okay now how do I give the damned units weapons that aren't 3 0 1 plinkshit, since that doesn't exactly befit a high-tech factionAlso I don't like skitarii; if I liked skitarii I would not be asking for darkmech
>>97948935They are the monogod factions of 40k why wouldnt they get their own codex over some random marine chapter barely different from the other ones
Buying OoP miniature boxes is suffering, but the kitbashing must continue.
>>97948979Because it's not like they used to be more unique than say Alpha Legion or Iron Warriors. They got more differences because they got a codex they didn't get a codex because they had lot of differences.
>>97948898They are. Getting a single model or a shitty upgrade sprue every 10 years is the definition of neglect.
>>97947980I still don't understand how chaos knights became an army before darkmech or R&HLike in a world without them, people asking for chaos knights would be the most derided of the three factions in question
>>97948871>conquers all human civilizations to brings humanity under one banner>"sure things are bad now and I haven't really done anything beneficial yet, but that was necessary to unite humanity! I'll fix things later">ACKed at the slightest resistancedude was wrong about literally everythingthe ends don't justify the means if you never reach the ends
>>97948871>Mankind's future is in the Webw-Ack!Let me guess: next you'll say Magnus' oopsie was totally what the Emperor planed and he foretold that everything he hoped to build was gonna get ruined by his manchild sons and took no logical steps to prevent it because it was somehow all according to keikaku?
>>97948854Why are you on the toilet
>>97948999Because they didn't need any dedicated miniature at the beginning.
>>97948979>why wouldnt they get their own codexBecause in the past shit like world eaters were literally just you taking your regular CSM giving some of them chain axes, painting them red and brass and adding couple of berzerker models. That's it.DG, TS and EC weren't any different. Basically just CSM with 1 bespoke unit/half of a unit that you then souped into the army to make it "properly" world eaters or death guard.None of it was really "codex" worthy.
>>97948965World Eaters are literally CSM but red
>>97948979You say monogod factions like being monogod actually gave you more identity instead of being just CSM but limited.
>>97949029weren't the original god legions just marines with +1 toughness, +1 attack, +1 initiative and then a 5+ (or +1 to) invuln save
>>97949052Yes.
JAMES REMOVE THE TRANSPORT RESTRICTION ON RHINOS ALREADY DO YOU REALIZE HOW MANY UNITS WOULD LOVE TO RIDE THEM? THINK OF THE SALES!
>>97949032mongoloid
>>97949061removing the restriction won't improve sales.
>>97949052No, those were the effects of Chaos Marks. Every CSM could take a chaos mark, regardless of legion. God Legions were just "everyone has a specific mark of chaos".
>>97949067Anon please use your singular braincel. 99% of current marine players are primaris babies that don't have a single rhino. They haven't had a reason to buy one because they literally can't use it with the current restrictions. If they lift the restrictiins, then the entire practical playerbase of the army has a new transport with a unique niche that isn't filled by anything in the roster. That WILL improve sales even if by pure virtue of the restrictions making sales be zero already.
>>97949064Truth hurtsCome on anon. How are WE different from CSM painted red that spam melee units?
I recently haven been listening through Limp Bizkit's discography ...and it isn't terrible??>>97948877It's missing the wash drenching lol
>>97949061>storm chimera Vgh...
>>97948701Space marines have no ppsm, they are chemically castrated. Sexual urges are literally just a detriment to their purpose: genetically engineered combat abominations.
>>97949093>different armor marks>different army composition>different playstyleyour retard green marines are>normal marines but they like flamethrowers kindafuck off redditor
>>97948871what if the emperor was genuinely bad at what he was trying to do and caused infinite suffering for basically no gain to humanity? wouldn't that be grim? and dark? what if his incompetence led to him being worshipped, the thing he wanted least, and humanity regressing to medieval barbarism and their extinction almost guaranteed? wouldn't that be... grimdark?>um no actually hes a noblebright god and its all according to keikakuHmm... have you tried another franchise like Star Wars or something? That might be more up your ally.
>>97948904you just know...
>>97949117>different armor marks>different army composition>different playstyleBut enough about primaris.
Chaos knights or regular knights?
>>97949126Digigrade
>>97949126Neither, knights should be squatted
>>97949117>>different army composition>>different playstyleCSM can just spam melee units too you know
>>97949126Both need to be removed
>>97949124>>97949134(you) tried
I don't know if it's just devastators sucking or melta in general but by god they aren't killing anything without Oath.>take erradicatorsGravis is ugly and they can't go inside a drop pod.
Since there's so many Ork anons posting in the thread, what are your predictions for tomorrow's model reveal?>Mek walker>Wartrakk>Grots>Painboy>Nob w/Waaagh! bannerThey've had a run of infantry models, I feel like we're due to see something bigger, so I expect it to be one of the two vehicles this time.
>>97949161So unique. So different.
>>97949176It's 200% Grots, they said it's something smaller this week when they revealed the chaplain.
>>97949176Grots. They said it would be something smaller
>>97948153
Ursarex cohort as iron warrior warp talons? I doubt they’d even need much converting
>>97949185Keep crying redditor
>Mortarion uses his scythe to cut open dimensional portalsWhy the fuck is this a common trope with scythes in fiction?
>>97947074Just make Lost and Damned and throw there everything not wearing power armor, for fuck's sake.
>>97949061when they remake the rhino (again) they'll let everyone ride it
>>97948776convert more someone edited this to have the fat patriarch on it and removed the imperial insignia
>>97947074All signs point towards DM very soon.His very own army.
>>97949390No sign points to dm becoming its own army.All demon engines are very much tied to CSM and so is vashtorr.Kroots have better chances at becoming independent than darkmech, and that's saying a lot.
>>97949268Truth hurts
>>97949379Honestly surprised James hasn’t released a fat Patriarch design. I would have it be a part of s multi-system cult, where so many generations down the line, things got weird, but the nids can’t argue the results.
>>97949398I think you are just wrong about this one. Also plenty of armies just have overlap between them. You don't need to take from CSM to give to DM.
Tried some AP paints for the first time in years. It's better than it used to be but still pretty shit compared to vallejo and the others. Why can't these danes make decent paint?
>>97949411Yeah, hence your tears
>>97949519>pretty shit compared to vallejogood bait, bubble shill
There should be a planet in 40k based on Alabama
>>97949284the grim reaper
>>97949533Um, fenris?
>>97949551Fenris is cold, Alabama is not.
>>97947157No we never were, just some trolls goofing off
>>97949526I am not the one that had unironically to bring up armour marks to find a difference between World Eaters and CSM
>>97949583
ebay is down
>>97949519fanatic is goated, what are you on?>inb4 I prefer citadel
So do SM have no sticky units other than a lone SoB squad from agents of imperium?>not agaunst having to get a SoB unit, but is it the only option?
>>97947980NOPEOPLE WANT AN ACTUAL ARMYWHY DO PEOPLE NOT GET THIS>but muh kitbash is the real hobby you secondaryPEOPLE WANT ACTUAL SUPPORT FOR THE OMNI-AUXILIA AND SHIT>>97947074Plastic Adeptus Titanicus
>>97949698crashed by bots after someone put a box of intercessors up for 1 dollar below the GW price
>>97949703INTERCESSORS???
>>97948325Lost and the Damned with Traitor Nobility, Anarchs, warlords, Dark Techpriests with visible brains in jars and shit would be rad as fuck.
>>97949710Never clicked them, I was looking at a flamethrower list.
>>97949590It feels like we've had less meltdowns lately. Maybe Doakes got him
>>97949703It’s pretty wild to not know about Intercessors, though it’s nice to know a Basic Sisters Squad has Sticky Objectives too. I feel like they should have a rule to split them into groups of 5 or just be able to have 5 Sister units for 60 points each.
40k youtubers be like>I was beheaded and sodomised and crucified at a tournament but omg it was so fun you should go too!!!!
>>97949747Not returned to the game yet and fielding options. I would probably pick SoB since it's a flame themed army. Packing 3 flamer weapons in the unit would fit.
>>97949720many detachments have alternate ways to sticky objectives, but yes. the most basic unit for SM has sticky baked in.
>>97949760Depending on your goals with your army, bringing a squad of allies would be based. Sure competitive list building would disagree, but if you’re not going for that seriously I’d stick with the Sisters anyways.
>>97949783Days ago I barked around about how I would like to use Deimos+Baal flame predators with Infernus and Vanguard Vets with flamers in firestorm force.Something tells me I should get a land raider to abuse the 1CP disembark and return fire stratagem when a transport is fired upon.That and some SoB allies would be my divergence. I was looking into Moirax Armigers with their rad-claws(No benefit of having two but I'd do it anyway).Full fire theme. Because the SM codex can. Might go with a few lieutennants tobe able to retreat and shoot.
What's the most famous warzone/battle for each faction?
>>97949797Cadia - Chaos black crusadesArmageddon - Orks waagh
>>97949797idk
>>97949758https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPezkhY78-Q
>>97949794Generic Lieutenants might not be the best for the theme since Flamers don’t benefit from Lethal Hits. Since the Baal Predator would lock you into Blood Angels for Chapter units, maybe look into the Sanguinary Guard for more flame options. The current kit isn’t the best received looks-wise (you could always fix that yourself), but give you a powerful elite unit with Inferno Pistols and Deep Strike. Plus the Captain with Jump Pack that can lead them has the Heavy Flamer War Gear option as well.
>>97949809yeah that's why I posted that, paul is bad at stuff does the exact same thing except he screams and speaks so fast he slurs his words so it's extra annoying
>>97949099They don't want you listening to the whiteboy protest music. Break some shit anon
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