Luna Wolves editionPrevious Heresy:>>97935699>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/qdYzem>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread Question:Where were your dudes when Horus slew the Emperor?
Has anybody seen scans, or even pics, of the new Custodes liber? Haven't been able to find anything, are they really that unpopular now?
naming characters in your HH army is perfectly natural even SOVLful but can the lad painting the tiny iron hands or any other ligma anons tell me: Am I lost in the autism attempting to not only name which companies are represented by which formations and naming the HQs (reasonable) but to come up with naming structures to name every detachment and assigning a name for the commanding officer of those detachments.
>>97957000>unpopular nowGee I wonder why
>>97957282Nah that is completely fine. If you're not going into full autistic overdrive over /yourdudes/ you're doing HH wrong.
>>97957282Nah I am also doing that.
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>>97957392is that a space wolf?
>>97957415that's a warbringer titan retard
>>97957428Under the left foot you poltroon.
Is it me or the White Scars section in the Black Books kind of boring?
>>97957636White Scars are the only legion where the black book lore is shit, but the black library stories about them are great.
>>97957651I can't even pin point what's shit about it. It just feel boring
Hey bros, been away for a while. How’s the edition of this game coming along? What are the rumours for future releases? Are you guys happy and getting games in or working on anything cool?
>>97957969The local HH community has grown and become really active since 3.0 launched, some people are even going to organise events. So far I like this edition, it has it flaws of course but the fact that pretty much every unit and option is at least somewhat viable is a lot of fun.
>>97957969It's okay. We need some more errata for vanguard. Rumors are always murky.I'm getting in games, mainly with militia, who I'm getting pretty good at using. Building Space Wolves using HH and midhammer bits so that we have some unambiguous loyalist representation here.
>>97956962got my hands on some old 40k chaos sets that I plan on using for 30k - around 23 tactical marines, rhino, terminator lord, terminator squad, abaddon, plus helbrute, chosen and 20 cultists from the dark vengeance set. planning to go for late-heresy/siege of terra Iron warriors due to the mixed armor types and de-chaosify as much as possible. Abaddon as a temp praetor and the chaos lord as a centurion with combi-melta and maul, will sell the bikes and posessed dudes from the battle force. might also get the new iw upgrade kit in order to get some decent heads and shoulder pads that are good to go. I was planning on selling the helbrute and chosen guys as well, but they look surprisingly good once I put them together so might keep them as shelf decoration. trying to de-chaosify them might be a tad too tricky and it feels somewhat morally wrong to mess with the models, but would like some input here. I will admit it is a bit tempting to go with Word bearers to save myself a lot of work. some questions: how out of place does the godwyn boltgun look in a 30k army? I have rifles for around 14 tacticals and will be getting a mk3 box for heavy support that will net some phobos rifles that can be used instead or to complete a second tactical squad. got enough chainswords and bolters for a despoiler squad as well, but idk how thematic those are for iron warriors? I’m also not all that into the indomitus terminator heads and planning on using bare heads and the sorcerer heads from the chaos lord, but how verboten would it be to mix in the latter for regular termies? i don't have enough power fists for everyone and power claws might not work as proxies, so wondering what is more thematic for iw between power axes and chain fists? tips and advice are welcome.
>>97958169Please recast the CSM termie torso that looks like mk5 onegaiGodwyns aren't too big unless you have the wrong arms. Old (C)SM have huge hands compared to the dainty nu-HH hands.Siege-era IW are depicted on BL covers and basically look just like those CSM.Mauls and chainfists.
>>97958169>how out of place does the godwyn boltgun look in a 30k army?
Progress on my Reaver. I’m painting the big bastard before I assemble it.
i am going to proont out a modest cerastus acheron to complete a knight assemblage as opposed to bothering with a larger LoW lub me prescribed base sizes, lub me cerastus knights, lub me giant flamers>>97957392xboxhueg>>97958738looking really pretty anon
>>97958264>>97958169Godwyns are just mkIII boltersGodwyn-Deaz bolters are more like Tigrus bolters but aside from the little cutout of the foreguard they're basically both mkIII bolters toonobody gives a shit irl
Is the old cataphractii kit deprecated?
>>97957392She keeps looking sexier and sexier with every post anon, youre def inspiring me to grab one from WTG. I want a warlord as well, but not sure if id trust a recast of one THAT big....
>>97959037Are you referencing this? Because in the IA books the number assigned to the Godwyn style bolter is Mk.IV Ultima pattern, while the 2e Mars pattern bolter (and the modern SoB Godwyn-De'az that's basically and update of the 2e Godwyn-De'az) is like the Mk.III. Though there's also an old Gamesday prop bolter based on the 2e design identified as an Astartes Umbra pattern.
would you spit on a brother for chopping up some excess bolters into bullshit pistols like this for the sake of not buying a bunch of new pistols for a squad
>>97958264Appearances aside, is there any information about the differences between boltgun patterns? I remember stuff like the stalker sub-pattern having elongated barrels for marksman purposes, but not much about umbra vs tigrus vs godwyn patterns
>>97959224>is there any informationLoads and each of them contradicts the other.
>>97959213No, but that seems more difficult than it’s worth. Aren’t pistols plentiful enough in assault squad kits? Can’t imagine it’s difficult to get a few off ebay for cheap.
>>97959213do eet
>>97959261idk if its poorfag mentality baked into me or what but converting is the part i tend to get most lost in so the extra work is really just a treat assuming it comes out how i picture>>97959268that's approval enough for me
>>97959213That Eagle emblem had better details than whatever the fuck GW and their super duper ultra CNC machine shat out.
>>97959356Clearly early Crusade casting technology was not perfected yet. Aquila pendants got better details in late Crusade.
>>97959356Alienware Draco
Very new to HH. Planning on joining in a slowgrow campaign in September and hopefully WGA Damned models have been released by then.Any recommendations for a Imperialis Militia sample list for 750pts / good building blocks to continue from there ? I would love to field bodies / ogryns / russ at the start if possible, but dont have any knowledge on listbuilding for heresy.I know they aint the best, but dammit I want to be the lowly humies.
>>97959213>he openly admits to not having more pistols than he knows what to do withExtremely embarassing
>>97959743night lords broke into my house and ransacked the joint :[
>>97956962Nice armor design you got there pal, would be a shame of someone ruined it
>>97958169Holy fuck so jealous
>>97959797Meh, nuMkII still looks good.
>>97959797has anyone tried putting the old helmet on nu-mk2 yet?
>>97959797Nu-two is just the after sting of the original wound. Nu-6 and nu-3 are the only ones that really hurt. The rest is just pain.
>>97959786>he got defeated by Night LordsSmall dick energy
>>97959165no i mean going back to CSM 4E, where on p11 the "Godwyn" is first referenced (yeah it was probably referenced before that, but this has art), the model depicted is (aside from also being called the "998 model bolter") basically identical with the "mkIII" given on p58 of IA9 and p65 of IA10; whereas what you have labelled as MkIII here is closer to the Godwyn-Deaz in current usage (with the shroud cut back along the barrel, which the mkIII lacks); the very similar (to mkIII) mkIV is the weapon used by the Raptor on p49 of IA3 (who to modern paranoid armour autists no doubt looks very Primaris); this is also identified as the mkIV Ultra on p126 and p128 of IA4, while somewhat confusingly the exact same art asset, with the addition of a scope, is identified as both a mkII Ultra and a mkIV Ultra on p150 of IA5, as well as the mkIII on p65 of IA10meanwhile "Ultima" patterns are in use during the heresy (2E AoDR p 103), and the outwardly identical Ultima mkIIIc is still in use by the Angels Revenant 10,000 years latereat who you want, the laughter of dark gods will know its own
>>97959797Nu mk2 looks better than the fw mk2, those helmets always looked like a downy retards and the too thin FW legs problem was as its worse with the onion slice legs
>>97960100Your take is so fucking bad that you should be perma banned
>>97960052Using different names for the same design isn't new. Like this Mars pattern Mk.IV that's basically the Mk.III Crusade pattern. I was just confused what exactly you meant by "mkIII bolter" when there's so many marks and patterns. Besides, the 4e SM codex Godwyn art looks closer to the Mk.IV Ultima pattern bolter from Index Astartes.
>>97960146Cry all you want it won't restore your chromosomes
>>97960146You need to get over it, old man, your ship has sailed.
>>97960163Wrong image.
lub me numk.3
>>97960146imagine thinking the worst thing about nu-heresy is the models, that alone is grounds for dismissal of any opinion whatsoever. In fact, from henceforth unless you preface any criticism with '3.0 is irredeemable dogshit' your opinion should be instantly discarded.
>>97960214Everyone knows 3.0 is shitty corpo slop
>>97960189Just because you like it doesn't mean it's good. Like people who enjoy getting their ass fisted.
>>97958966I just got some old catas off of ebay and i'm really excited to paint them, gonna make a command retinue. >>97960189They're alright, I'd go for old mk 3 if they were more accessible.Anyways I got my first tactical squad painted lads! put the first few guys i painted shamefully in the back. They were much more experimental
Probably going to get together a Scouring mixed-warband of Emperor's Children and World Eaters, about 40 marines and a couple of vehicles and characters that could also double as the two sides finally breaking apart and duking it out on or after hearing of Skalathrax.I like the new MKII and I'm partial to using it entierely for the World Eaters (some veteran tacticals with chain bayonets and some despoilers or assault marines with axes), but I'm not sure how to do the Emperor's Children. I may get my hands on some MKVI, but I heavily associate it with loyalists. Would MKII fit here as well? I'm also wondering how to make Kakphonists since the current kit is older size marines. Maybe I could use the current MKIV alongside them since they seem to be of the same scale.
>>97960578You can very easily convert mkvi legs to mk4 with some greenstuff or plastic card, to merge the toes and add the knees
>>97960578Emperor's Children were wearing almost entirely MKVI by the siege of terra according to the betrayal afaik, traitor forge worlds got their hands on the prints forever ago.Could go scavenged armor for WE.
>>97960578MkVI with MkII arms (for that gauntlet look) and some 40k EC bits.
i need to continue these doods, but i've yet to find a basing that satisfies me
>>97960177well kinda, but that one has the bite out of the shroud like Godwyn-Deaz, Phobos and most but not all Tigrus (also called Tigris for an entire edition) which isn't common to the Mars-derived mksII thru IV, except when it is
>>97960578EC used as much Mk 6 as they could get their hands on though. They loved the more extensive and sensitive sensors the suit came with, in their pursuit of ever more excessive sensory simulation.
>>97960631The image was to illustrate how the same design (>>97959165 & >>97960177) had different names even long ago. Which isn't that weird in real life either. How different is the M16 from the C7, for example? Pic related is the bolter more similar to the 4e Godwyn art with the stubbier design, straighter magazine and more protruding handguard.
>>97960626Sand, ash and ruins (of Prospero).
Oh fuck, y'all still counting rivets and arguing who wore what? Visions and Blanche already proved everything is whatever. Forgeworld and Bligh already proved they will sell you whatever. Paypiggers and Proontfags already proved they will buy and build whatever.All dickbike, no Bullocks.
>>97959541Woah nice sponsons. Sure wish we got some of that.
>wanna try and recreate old Epic Stormblade>30k Stormblade can't take a Havoc Launcher or any other appropriate missile system for the side mounted rack (HK missile would go on top of the barrel)Feels bad, man.
>>97956962>TQA few were part of the invasion, most were in other theatres of the crusade. I'm running my Dusk Raiders as a shattered legion force and they've picked up a few brothers from most of the legions.
>>97957714Their sections weren't written by Blight and it shows
>>97961104>Superheavy missile carriersHot!
>>97959137Mine is WTG and the cast quality is great. The armor panels are all flawless and nothing was majorly warped or hard to fix except the laser blaster. Everything fits together with little work and the gates are tiny for how big some of the parts are. Practically no flash either. There are some major mold lines on the pelvis and legs but you don't even need to clean them up since they're covered by the perfect armor plates.Only issue really was the laser blaster which took a lot of work to get in a good state.If you do go with a warlord I've heard the WTG cast isn't as good as the warbringer but the photos of the finished models look pretty good
>build tactical squad with standard blade bayonets>realize chainblade bayos are more in line with Iron Hands after they’re built>regard entire squad with disgust now
>>97961583I see you are well immersed in being a commander of the Iron Hands
armiger jumpscarethis guy's been sitting for a while but i need a shift in gear from muhreenz and want to go as ham with the freehand on it as i can muster at this time to feel things out all the betteraverland sunset and screamer pink tho, god damn. love the play of color
Ashen Claws of the Fallen?>>97957000Hijack Does anybody have any pictures of ye olde banana boys with the new ones? I'd like to see the size difference.
>>97961882The new ones are barely taller in terms of eye height. They're just much more slender in build which helps make them look taller. Also the crests on the helm are quite a bit taller.
>>97961340What was wrong with the laser blaster? Warped really badly? I just bit the bullet on a slav lucius, but I think I can squeeze a nemmy in too this month...got so many recasts coming from china/russia right now that james and interpol are going to set up a raid on my house one of these days...
>>97961961new ones look like shit, thats the long and short of it.
>>97959541I use:>Legacy of the Great Crusade for +1 BS on most infantry and lasrifles>Warrior Elite for the +1 LD>Kalliope mortars and autocannons>Malcadors and russes>recon troops with longrifles are a great cheap disruption unit>quads and trikes always tank a lot of shooting>expect to die a lot
>>97962001Lot of mold slips and pieces fitting together poorly. Took a lot of cutting, sanding and gap filling to get it right. The main body of the gun looks like it's been skewed on an angle which I couldn't really fix with my skill level. If you look at my photo at the start of the thread you can see the barrels are on a very slight angle which is because of that skewed part.In comparison the volcano cannon was pretty much flawless so I may get a second one in the future to replace the laser blaster
>>97962068They DO have a link to nuy JUST the laser blaster on its own for like $37, though yeah, having TWINS with quake cannons would be awesome as shit. Fuck I wish someone out there would make upscaled versions of all the extra weapons from the epic scale versions of these titans, at this point the weapon roster for the big girls is SORELY lacking...
>>97957282Ligma Iron Hands anon here, I genuinely don't have any lore for my ligma stuff besides a general idea of what units I want. And that's mostly just down to me not having spent enough time reading the lore besides the first few FW black books.
>>97959541if you know someone with a printer, they used to sell the old The Damned files as STLs so depending on friends and what not you may be able to get most of it started before those plastics come out. Although I think I heard they are coming out soonish.Also I am quite the fan of the grenadier apex detachment. As they are just better bodies and guns. It's what i use for my squats.
>>97961961ugly lanklet tranniestodes the old ones mogg
>>97960100poverty bait
>>979602143.0 is shit
>>97961961New ones look better above the waist, old ones look better below the waist
What model do you love and hate at the same time?For me its the Dracosan - it looks amazing, and i love the idea of a fully tracked huge transport but its such a bitch to assemble and paint.
>>97958240>Please recast the CSM termie torso that looks like mk5 onegaiI would if I could, here’s a little something.>Siege-era IW are depicted on BL covers and basically look just like those CSMCool, would you still recommend cutting and shaving off chaosy stuff like nails, skulls and generally cleaning up the models? What about taking off the bayonets and chainsaws on the termie guns?
>>97959814
>>97962837Also got this ancient sorcerer and rubric upgrade
>>97962833>taking off the bayonetsEven FW sold bayonets for combi-bolters. It's a shame past 2e Chaos codex there doesn't seem to have been any purpose for them. In the 2e codex Chaos combi-weapons counted as a CCW for an extra attack in close combat.
>>97962865Speaking of the 2e codex, wish we could field terminators with just a single bolter, like you can with the volkite charger.
>>97962833it's cool how the bayonets are straight up power weapons
>>97962865>>97962893I don’t mind them, but think they might be a bit overkill for HH and IW? Although you can probably explain it with iron Pete giving his dudes everything they can carry to assault the Palace walls
>>97962002Fighting the man by pretending some of the worst models GW made are actually super cool and epic!
>>97959213Honestly a late heresy marine force using chopped down bolters for close quarters is very on brand.
>>97962950Pete Heines was in deed crazy about IW. Too crazy to be honest. 9 oblits as elite and 4 hvy support slots ? A bit much .But good old 3.5 times aside. Here is my Shattered legion force . 3 tacticals, RL HSS, cataphract command squad, veteran breachers/pretor command squad , seekers and my pretor, centurion with claws, apothecary, champion and chaplain
>>97959356>Sharts, Farts and arts>Formerly Chucks
>>97962837Great find anon. Here's a unit from my old 2010 csm army that I still use as late heresy blackshields.
omg we have become 40k general
>>97963126Nah, way too little /pol/ bait for that
>>97963370>I hate niggers, I hate the black baboons that get recruited by the space furries because they ruin the nobleness of our legiones with their ooga booga skin color. I hate niggers so much I avoid painting shadows on my marines because shadows are black. I hate how sometimes the other players bring rubble and broken down houses because it reminds me that's where the niggers live. If GW ever forced me to buy black marines I would put them in despoiler squads so they would die fast and give the power spears so they would use a weapon the nigger mind has been conditioned for generations on using before the white man gave them pistols.
>>97963481Just paint them white. Problem solved. Salamanders were always black, and thats ok, they were bro tier as well so it was fine.
>>97963126>>97963370We’re missing retards samefagging their own bait and arguing about nothing for 400 posts.
Grav cannons or heavy bolters for rapiers? I already built some quad launcher ones
>>97963651That is because the "negro" is not what people care that much , on a majority english forum, in europenis hours. Now if 4chan or /tg/ was french it would maybe rattle some peeps. On on the other hand , if l were to post 60 despoilers each with a primaris pistol and "ear" helmet. And say that the army leader is an ex Navigator demon princes (reoresented by a ed printed primarch sized Gara Gura in cataphract armour) we would be easily in to 150+ posts in half an hour
>>97963869Graviton cannons have AP 3 now, just saying.
>>97963954They’re also pinning. I’ll just go for grav.
Battle report: 3000 ptsDG vs ALThree survey data access points have been located in the ruins of a Hab-block, both sides racing to transmit hive structural data to facilitate further operations
>>97964024TURN 1:The forces of the Death Guard take the initiative and being a grinding advance through the claustrophobic alleyways of the Hab-Sector. the advancing infantry trigger the reveal of a large Alpha Legion Interdiction Cadre, losing three legionnaires to the perfidious ambush but lighting them up with the punishing fire of a Sicaran. The legion's heavy transports push forward towards the front, shielding the lighter vehicles and the infantry with their armoured bulk. An Alpha Legion tank hunter squad lays down beams of Las-fire on the sicaran, severely damaging it but losing over half their number to the hail of return fire. The skies shatter from the deluge of ordnance from a legion whirlwind but the targeted tactical squad endures and continues undaunted. An elite headhunter squad pops out to ambush the Land Raider with the hope of disabling it before it can disgorge its cargo of Grave Wardens but fails completely, barely scratching the paint of the venerable warmachine.
>>97964046TURN 2 (1/2): Working under fire a DG Forge Lord manages to jury rig the Sicaran back to full function. Jump packs flaring, the elite praetorian trench-raiders of the siege company shoot out of the Spartan to lay waste to the Effrit sabotage teams hunkering down in the ruins of the central tower, while a drop pod containing a full complement of missile launchers hurtles down into the Alpha Legion rear lines. The gaping maw of a Kratos cannon hastily whips around to intercept the support squad but in the heat of the action the commander fails to correctly range the shot and it blasts straight through a squad of snipers, leaving the Missile squad unharmed and free to unload into the predator. the disembarking grave wardens unleash their toxic munitions into the failures of the headhunter squad, decimating all but the heavy gunner, while the champion leading the praetorians challenges Dynat, the harrowmaster of the AL force to single combat.
>>97964074TURN 2 (2/2):despite the preternatural skill of both combatants the finer armor of Dynat leads to his win, leaving him severely injured even as the praetorians fell the effrit around him without taking a single casualty and forcing Dynat to slink away back towards AL lines. the storm of missiles, destabilized by their harsh landing, fail to make their mark on the Predator which survives with nothing worse than ruptured optics. Slamming into reverse, the Predator unlesahes a beam of searing energy to wipe out half the missile squad. The AL counteroffensive is brutal. two of the elite snipers of the AL join their fire to the surviving snipers (those spared from the earlier Kratos friendly fire incident) and, crucially, the surviving Headhunter Multi-melta to annihilate Typhon and a few of his Grave Warden entourage. The inderdiction squad holds fast despite sever losses and continues spotting for the Whirlwind while maintaining positive control of the blighted hab block, continuing their transmission of Hive structural data. An outflanking Land Raider filled with the Lernean elite of the ALpha Legion rips to the center and brutally dismantles the praetorian squad, the heavy cataphractii armor making a mockery of their mauls and claws.
>>97963916>"Don't talk to me or my son ever again."
>>97964083TURN 3:The DG master of signals sends down a squad of jetbikers to disrupt the activities of the tac squad in the vicinity of the tomb of the Missile squad. searing blasts of plasma unleash into the tac squad but only a few legionnaires fall victim before the rest of the squad takes cover. The kratos commander, eager to make up for its prior mistakes, once again attempts to intercept the Death Guard but fails to hit a single shot from its many weapon systems. This shift in attention leaves it immesnely vulnerable to the Spartan that had carried the praetoerians - it unleashes its complement of lascannons at point-blank range, detonating the Kratos reactor in a blinding flash of light. the lerneans and their transport attempt to avenge the kratos but only succeed in mildly damaging the Spartan. the DG inductii press the attack on the interdiction squad, now reduced to a handful of marines, and their alchem flames reap a bloody toll while the grave warden terminators aniihilate the lernean transport leaving them alone and encircled in the ruins of the central tower. The Grave Warden land raider on the other hand finally puts down the fleeing harrowmaster with several searing beams of energy, ensuring typhons incapacitation and the execution of the company champion is avenged. Exodus whips around and fires onto the charging the jetbikes, killing one with several expert shots and then engaging in a futile melee with the remaining two bikes.
>>97964121TURN 4:At this point both forces are severely crippled and most of the heavy firepower on both sides has been fully spent. the remaining troops of both legions begin their retreats to their supply lines, evacuating their commanders and what little intelligence they have gathered from their tactical objectives.
>>97963916can i see your michael statue
>>97962969Cool cool, what’s those bolter barrels on the left?
Should I play ruinstorm daemons?
>>97964248They are forbiden parts. Teleporter antenas from grey knight interceptor teleport back packs.
>>97964217Sure. It is my moms
>>97964274What do you mean forbidden, those are some of the most utilitarian bits in the entire SM range
>>97963869Grav cannons
>>97964257Yes, as long as they resemble a 1e Realms of Chaos monster mash army with a bunch of random shit thrown in because they're proto-40k daemons. Throw in some converted skaven, chaos warrior, beastmen and ogre minis alongside the daemon minis. Get some nurglings and paint them red to look vaguely khornate. Get a lord of change and paint him pink, give him a big boil on his eye. Ruin them as Rapturous Sensation one game because it's optimal and then run them as Encroaching Ruin in the next because you want to take Samus and start going "My name is Samus. Samus is my name. That is the only name you’ll hear. I am the one who walks behind you. I am the footsteps at your back. I am the man beside you. Look out! I am all around you. Samus! I am the end and the death."
>>97964298I know anon. But I also understand that a lot of people dislike w40k parts. For example one of the DA in my seeker squad, has a chest plate from a w40k kit. And I got shit for that. Drum mags for some of the bolters, the scopes, shoulder pad on the "ultramarine". He is actualy AL, everyone knows it, but they pretend for his mental state to not. As he is a good shot and armies "mini Armistos". As you see my force has no techmarine left alive.
>>97964274Nice, are they used as long barrels or suppressors?
can anyone here give me a quick rundown on how admech functions in this game? I like the miniatures but I want some idea of how the army works and what units synergize.
>>97964415I never played. I made the bolters "different" for looks. Tacticals get the stock weapons, but seekers are a mix and match "ad hoc" specialist group of dudes. So the White Scar has a short range large caliber drum barrel bolter. some guys have more "sniper" guns. But they have different type of ammo/mags/drums etc. I don't even know if the unit is legal at 9 men lol. It is just a babies first army project.
>>97963869I like both. But I think it depends what you want,. Bolters are super cheat status application. Gravs are more expensive, but higher damage and can pull some double duty vs vehicles.
>>97964257If you enjoy kitbashing and aren't just going to run 40k daemon models unconverted then sure, they are a fun thing to run.
>>97964593If I just ran unconverted daemon models what would happen to me
>>97964434Like fucking shit in 3.0 because they locked all the fucking units behind taking a techpriest first which means you need to buy one billion fucking techpriest minis that are single character models and thus overpriced as fuck
>>97964284Based mom. God bless her.
>>97964665instant combustion of your genitals
>>97964665Nothing, you would get a few eyerolls and that's it. People might treat you as someone jumping into hh from 40k without really engaging with the setting which might be the case but even that would depend on the type of player you are going to play with. I would say the worst thing is that you have a lot of room to get creative with models and painting and you are kinda throwing that away just to run what GW gives you which might also mean some units which don't have models are not going to playable like the daemons that are bigger than archdaemons. And you would suffer spontaneous combustion.
>>97964024full army shots pls
>>97964593>the warp is timeless and has existed since the dawn of time>but daemons at this specific time were completely different from daemons a little later
>>97964700Thank you. Do a lot of pilgramige to Santiago de Compostela, Hierosolima, Mejugorie. Vatican etc.
>>97964742Nta but yes, that's actually the case in-setting.
>>97964750how is that possible. DG had all the nurgle demons runing around them. All 4 Big Bad had a representative watcher to Horus. BA fought Khorn demons. Space Wolves too.
>>97964713archdaemons don't have rules anymore anon. They removed them in 3.0. There's just daemon sovereigns, hierarchs and behemoths (which are TERRIBLE now)
>>97964747I visited the Vatican a long time ago. Well worth it.
>>97964750It sure was. Because of reasons.
>>97964742Its not an issue of "lore". Demons have always hd their 40k forms and the 40k demons are as varied as the HH ones. Its an issue of "aesthetic propriety". The HH demons are meant to look weird and alien, thats their "thing" thematically, a myriad flavors of new terror. The army is vague and nondescript in its units precisely to allow for conversion.
>>97964782>Infinite in their foul and endless variety, Daemons cannot be placed into neat brackets like mortal troops, for even amongst those of similar c!ades there were few similarities.That's from book 8. 30k daemons began manifesting en-masse thanks to the ruinstorm and before that they had a minimal presence on the non-warp plane of reality. It's not so much that they are different beings but because of the ruinstorm they manifest in different forms like a chaotic kaleidoscope. The more the heresy goes on the more people are going to recognize daemons which in turn also shapes them which in turn makes them more recognizable. The rules of chaos are also different, undivide chaos princes are a thing for one, the forge of souls has rules and so do the dark king's forces. There is more like in a gameplay sense all the combinations you could get with the 1.0 emanations of horror + dominions.>>97964853Look at the only generic ruinstorm daemons that we have rules for, do these guys exist in 40k?
>>97964864>it has to look different because of reasons
>>97964887Yes. You should also not be using 40k models even if theyre "from the heresy" - like typhus
>>97964879speaking of daemons, didn't they say they wanted to do daemon specific stuff in tactica journals?
>>97964887>It has to look like shit because BL says so
>>97964903>I don't like your models, so they're not canonBetter start buying some FW marines from China then.
>>97964879That starts to feel a bit a corpo way to explain why you can't use plastic models, but instead should use resin.
>>97964899I remember them saying that but they have also said "cultists of the primordial annihilator" were coming, back in 2.0, and their pdf was never released. I'm more hopeful about them releasing them now because with all the journals being released I'm sure they will find one to slot them in.
>>97964892Must suck to be a Custodes player now that 30k got their own models.
>>97964742Yes this is established countless times throughout the setting. events like the birth of Slaanesh and the Horus Heresy grant the Warp and Ruinous Powers tremendous leaps in strength and corrupting power. There were demons everywhere throughout Old Night but they were an astonishingly rare sight throughout the great crusade. How is this difficult to reconcile?
>>97964925You can use plastic, you can use resin, you can use metal, you can make them out of greenstuff and milliput and you can get third party stuff like I'm doing for militia but you shouldn't bring 40k stuff here because that's lazy. I'm not sure how that's more corpo than "run the sloppity bile piper(tm) as a daemon herald of nurgle(tm)".
>>97964932Actually a good example. I wont begrudge a custodes player who uses their 40k models, im sure its "lore appropriate" or whatever, I doubt any of those armor designs are "new" as opposed to stuff that has "always been there". But in an ideal world they wouldnt use those models and instead the stuff that is more stylistically in line with HH.
The conversation is nonsense.Daemons in 30k are separated by their overarching type.You can use whatever, so long as you have a vague idea of what they are supposed to represent in use. Turning this in to a 40k v 30k argument is peak nogames/nomodels.
>>97964921I don't need china or recasters anymore because I have a few scans.
>>97964948I feel like its not "you shouldnt run the models you want" as much as "you shouldnt "just" run the 40k plastics, and instead take advantage of the greater freedom ofered by the ruinstorm system">>97964967"Yes, but"The issue isnt "you shouldnt use 40k models", the issue is "you shouldnt limit youtself to 40k models, and instead strive for the more interesting and "appropriate" variety offered by HH"
>>97964948but the plastic demons that exist right now aren't "W40k" they are demons from WfB
>>97964959>make Custodes models for 30k with rules>give them token 40k rules>years later those very same models are now "40k models" and using them in 30k is haramSee, this is why I can't take this autistic shit seriously.
>>97964981The boxes have both the 40k logo and the aos one on and the clicking 40k chaos daemons on GW's site shows them.
>>97964972>The issue isnt "you shouldnt use 40k models", the issue is "you shouldnt limit youtself to 40k models, and instead strive for the more interesting and "appropriate" variety offered by HH"Which is still limiting, and only the case if you are a HH dickrider.
>>97964879FUCK I miss the 1.0 daemon rules so fucking much man they were SO good compared to the shit we have now
>>97965044Nta but limits are very fun when they stir your imagination and I like having my imagination stirred, sometimes even shaken.
>>97965044This is the HH thread for HH afficionados, HH players players, and HH rivet counters sir. 40kg is down the hall and to the left
>>97965053anon that's pretty much all factions, the 1.0 rules are in almost all ways superior to what came afterwards
>>97965053I'd say same but I'm still playing 1.0.
>>97965072My lgs got a surge of new players with 3.0 but now all the store plays is 3.0. Before that we alternated between 1.0 and 2.0 (it's a long and very retarded story)
>>97965103>(it's a long and very retarded story)No worries, I think I can understand why. Part of my group's new players wanted to play 2.0 because it was the new edition back when it released and I did for a bit (mech didn't release at launch so outside of homebrew I couldn't) just to play with them but then they stopped once 3.0 launched.
>>97965065this
>>97965065So why are you talking about feels and shit instead of factual things? No rivet counter is going, "I know Soviets used the M4, but it just doesn't mesh with their aesthetics, so I don't think you should use them if you cared about WW2."
>>97965065Unironically this, complaining about HH stuff in /HHg/ is pretty retarded. Retarded like 40k consoomers.
does anyone else love the HH but HATE (most of) the novels and HATE primarchs or is that just me
>>97964995The models being discussed are clearly the 40k originals. You know, the axe terminators and such.
>>97965160That's nta lol. In any case you have been prudently rebuked lorewise on the permissibility of 40k demons from several different angles. i'm responding to>Only the case if you're a HH dickrider.yes, dude, we like HH. We like it more than 40k. That's why we're here.
>>97965211I'm* nta.
>>97965194It's universally agreed upon that the novels are mediocre at best, and mostly shit.
>>97965194The novels are alright in a vacuum and primarchs are whatever. I do think (or hope) most people prefer the rank and file legionary aspect of the Heresy though.
>>97965209Absolutely. No one would ever call the old spear Guardians and Sentinels "40k models" now that we have 30k Custodes. That'll never happen.
>>97964321Wait, so people will bitch if your guys bolters have drum mags? Seriously? Are they trying to say no marines pre/during the heresy would use a drum mag?
>>97965194unironically the only novels worth reading are the ones GW bothered to include in the new HH omnibus, which includes the following:Horus Rising (actually decent. I HATE that new cover art though)False Gods (shit but continues Horus Rising)Galaxy in Flame (a bit shit but continues the previous two)Flight of the Eisenstein (it's okay)Fulgrim (it's decent at parts and shit at others)The First Heretic (decent)Prospero Burns (meh)Know No Fear (easily the best novel in the HH series)Betrayer (decent)Praetorian of Dorn (meh)Master of Mankind (decent)Slaves to Darkness (mehhh)And then in the siege of terra? Read Saturnine, Echoes of Eternity and TEATD, maybe Era of Ruin too.Everything else is just set dressing
>>97965292I'd say you're right except Prospero Burns is just a confusing fucking mess, there's little that's redeeming about it.
>>97965065>>97965159>>97965211>>97965184I said nothing about using 40k models.I brought up how the daemon rules for 30k are explicitly range agnostic, and limiting yourself to 30k models alone misses the point.Why not explore kitbashes and imaginative models for an army that is not predetermined?
>>97964995yep =>>>97965035God demons become haram, because in modern times there is an AoS/w40k mark of the beast on them. Jesus Christ there is official early heresy era art with dudes running around in mk7 suits. And people decide a model is "not HH" because it has w40k on the box.
>>97965291more like "drum mags are for AL and cataphract combi bolters only".
>>97965413Because unless brain damaged humans crave structure, systems and unity. Having an army of just nurgle/khorn/etc demons is more enjoyable, then being "imaginative". You need to have an unbalanced brain chemistry that only happens among arist folk. A regular good person would not do it, because it feels unnatural.
>>97965458People bitched for ages about using MkVI in HH, unless you played RG or AL, despite FW making MkVI for all and fluff allowed everyone to use it. When 2.0 introduced plastic MkVI, people cried about it, down to claiming MkVI existing in any real numbers during HH was a major retcon (despite every armour fluff since RT made them a common suit by late HH).
>>97965517Yes late. It is still jarring to see mkvi en masse since it was only fielded that way late in the setting.
>>97965463Doesn't the standard 30k Tigrus combi-weapon come with a similar ammo drum as the Headhunter combi-bolter?>checks new BreachersHelp me, Vulkaman!
>>97965458I've even heard retards who claim that certain patterns of power armour are only compatible with the specific type of boltgun that it comes in the box with.
>>97965517I dont think the fandom ever realized that armor autism only helps GW
>>97965540Are you arguing that legions made sure MkVI were distributed as evenly as possible across the entire legion to make sure no place would ever have more than a couple of examples of them, rather than concentrating them to specific units? Yeah, that makes sense.
>>97965291Well why tf would they use shitty fucking drum mags? They jam a ton. Box mags are better, unless you're talking about the weird "box drum" things that look like belt feed boxes (which is weird because bolters that aren't heavy bolters seem to be mag-fed, not belt fed)
>>97965413I'm agreeing with you and I'm also agreeing with the guy pointing out how silly that you are getting called a HH dickrider by someone else for wanting to not be limited by 40k stuff. No shit we like the heresy, complaining that people like HH stuff within /hhg/ IS peak retardation, if there is anything that unites everyone within this general it is the horus heresy.
>>97965289I mean, im sure someone could, but that would be in my opinion silly and not worth considering seriously.
>>97965639>(which is weird because bolters that aren't heavy bolters seem to be mag-fed, not belt fed)Belt-fed bolters been a thing forever. Even current HH combi-bolters got belts and they're just two bolters slapped together.
>>97965291Nu breachers have drums. Anyone who says no legionaries would have drum mags outside AL and combi-weapons is a certified retard.
>>97965639They are spesshh drum mags with speshh jamless tech jammed in. The terrawatt predicted this.
Is it considered to be a punishment for the IW and DG to carry their legions/ company standards and flags or is this still a position of honor even in their legions?
Whats the point of an armistos?
>>97965706what the fuck that's not how belt feeds work
>>97965770Autocannon McDude.
>>97965794Thats the worlds most expensive autocannon dude though isnt it?
>>97965775It's not that difficult to convert a gun to be belt-fed.
>>97965770Right now they have become like ranged Optae. They should become unified and let characters buy a limited choice of HW. Like that space wolves terminator.Then give Siege Breakers access to the full list.
>>97965809Notice how the belt isn't coming out of the bottom of the fucking gun like the dumbass belt fed boltgun because it's a BELT FEED and not a MAG FEED
>>97965798He had some tricks up his sleeve in 1.0 like giving his HSS's heavy bolters/volkite master-crafted and could use consul options but I guess the sleeve along with its arm got eaten by some traitor militiamen judging by the 3.0 rules.
>>97965833Nothing stops a belt from being fed bottom-up or top-down.
>>97965852The belt feed in the boltgun depicted in >>97965706 clearly has the belt going through the mag feed. Please explain how the fuck this would work.
I know this doesn't happen in w40k. But would it be wierd for HH, if a techmarine or apothecary said "fuck it" no more fixing/healing, I will take this two pistols or use my knowladge of sm biology(and the extra sensors), and start killing everything I deem enemy?Or to make it simple. IS a techmarine moritate or a apothecary "sniper" totaly out of character for HH?
>>97965942>how the fuck this would work>40k
I have nearly ran out of bases and have run out of primer with all the damned models from that kickstarter, so far I'm at 80+ infantry models that are on bases on various stages of completion. I'm kinda regretting getting 3 ogryn sprues because I'm filling the elite slots with other stuff (I'm building a mournival imperial army...army) and would've loved more generic infantry. I'm also vaguely pissed at beastmen having 3 middle fingers arms per sprue instead of other melee arms or more importantly a third shield. Thank you for reading my blogpost.
>>97965942self-resolving belt. simple
>>97965971The problem with killing people in combat isn't so much knowing where exactly to hit them, as being able to hit them at all in the first place. And, frankly, where exactly to hit someone in full power armour for best effect is likely something you should ask the techmarine rather than the apothecary.
>>97965706nta but are all boltguns belt-fed??? or just combi-bolters and 40k era chaos boltguns that look to be based on the godwyn?
>>97965942What exactly is the problem? Even if we assume it's the stock magazine well (rather than a swapped piece like you can have on many variable caliber weapons), the belt would fit through it. A belt-feed mechanism can work mounted sideways (as seen on the T44), so it can pull a belt up rather than across. A gun can eject any which way you want it to eject. Many early machine guns fed from one side and ejected down. So a 90 degree difference in the direction of feeding to ejection is not unheard of.
>>97966006Hmm well I thought that all the extra sensors, lenses to zoom in stuff would help. I just wanted to have a dude in a unit that "droped" his job, because the world is crazy, and now he just kills stuff. I reality wanted to use a left over chest/shoulder pad/helmet that was from an apothecary and build a red armour Moritat. Guess even shattered legions have rules they won't break.
>>97961961NU BAD OLD GOOD
>>97966016To my knowledge the belt fed boltguns are the heavy bolter, seeker boltgun, combi-bolters, later storm bolters, and that many chaos marines in M41 appear to be using regular boltguns that have belt feeds.
>>97962765Contemptor dreadnoughts. I love them but something about all their joints has prevented me from making one with a really good pose in a way that levithans and the saturnine never gave me
>>97966046technicaly both of those models are new. But the older one does look better. All the new custodes have the shape of woman. ][ vs the V shape of the older models.
>>97966046correct
>>97966046They both look like shit but ymmv.
>>97964321The only thing that is objectivley morally wrong are non-accessory primaris bits.
>>97966061you forgot that chaos marines in m41 also use belt fed bolt pistols. I think both it and the belt fed "regular" boltgun are probably conversions made by CSM since they don't gaf about tech heresy mumbo jumbo
teleporter on saturnine praetor should be free and centurion should have access to the melee weapons
>>97966079But the primaris bits are sometimes so nice. like the front armour "belts" or the long scrolls with oaths of the moment.
>>97965989The Hellstorm Cannon barrels don't rotate, it's just a cluster of five energy weapons. It's the same weapon as in Dark Crusade.
>>97966094I said non accessory...
>>97961961desu I love the lanklet custodes, makes them look different from marines and look closer to their artwork
>>97966122Ah my bad, I am not going to lie though. I had no chainsword for my apothecary and he has a primaris one.
>>97966122Those scrolls and seals are structural elements.
>>97966140How tf do you run out of chainswords?
>>97966149The new tactical squads do not include chainswords
>>97966149well there is a limited number of chainswords in the melee upgrade box, and I only had one. my friend took all of them to build his despoiler squad, and I didn't want to give my apothecary a power weapon/claw/fist. Only way to give him a chainsword was to use a primaris one.
>>97966149Chainswords are in short supply since GW started reducing the amount of extra bits and weapons that come with infantry.
>>97966087ah who care, i'll be trudging this piece of shit for all life
>>97965942>>97966018>>97965852Dual feeding (belt + magazine) LMGs and automatic rifles exist (example pic: Shrike / MCR), though none to my knowledge are capable of feeding both through the same opening.Let's face it though: GW modeled those ammo belts because they thought it looked cool, not because they know about the existence of / the internal mechanical workings of [insert niche weapon].There's tons of examples of non-workable weapon designs that made it into final production plastic kits: no ejection port, no charging handle, no physical room for the bolt carrier group to cycle, no clear feed path for the ammunition, comically small magazines, bore diameters & other details that are obviously too small to accept the dimensions of the ammunition as it's modeled ...
>>97965942chewable feed linebut also are you fucking serious, this is where you draw the line in the setting about dreams trying to take over reality via mantank proxies
>print another laser rapier >damn part of it failed, let me check the STL >can't find the lychee file in my PC, okay maybe I was feeling lazy and didn't save it for some reason >can't find the stl files off cults or pn my PC, strange, must have gotten it off telegram then >the telegram group I grabbed STLs from has gone private >mfw I've now got a busted ST(C) file that I can only reprint as is and can't replace or fix or else I lose the knowledge
>>97966372>+++Knowledge is power, guard it well+++
>>97966372The mechanicum's attitudes toward technology is probably the most realistic part of the setting honestly
>>97966285Oooh I thought dual feed were mistakes on minis. That's what ogryns ripper guns got going on, isn't it
>>97966372>STLs from has gone privateGW killed a good chunk of stl groups, if you grabbed it from "60k" one it was nuked into oblivion
Painted up this fat ugly bastard to be my militia force commander. Anyone else doing anything cool?
>>97966822>Dual feedThere are modern and historical weapons that can feed from more than one ammo source (such as a spring loaded box magazine OR a belt of linked ammunition), but it's always through two different slots (pic for example), never the same one or at the same time.>Ogryn ripper gunThat image you posted is another example of a sculptor getting cosmetic details correct, but the underlying mechanics wrong. Those individual details aren't impossible, but in that combination they're nonsensical.Like how tf do even load and seat the first round of the ammo belt into that thing? Turn the gun upside down? Then dangle the belt into the magwell while cycling the charging handle until it catches the first round?
>>97967284With the old CSM models there was one bolter (can't find it right now) where an ammo belt goes up into the magwell, comes out of the side of it higher up, then feeds back in to the ejection port.
>>97959898Why does everyone hate the newer mk6? Its honestly not as bad as people say. The only thing shit about it is the two-piece shoulder pad.>>97960189The new mk3 is great expect the head. Its way to tiny and its super gay that all of them have that Prussian helmet spike on them.
>>97967365>Why does everyone hate the newer mk6Because nostalgia made them forget that mk6 is and always has been a dogshit design until it became the new thing and thus acceptable to hate.
>>97967284There's also this physics defying shit
>>97967365I hate the little visor that makes the helmet look like a baseball cap more than the helmet spike. the hands are too small too.
>>97967376>Belt fed>ammo box >Belt fed ammo box>Clearing feeding in Necked cartridges >Heavy bolterJFC i hate the inconsistency here.
>>97967374>mk6 is and always has been a dogshit design until it became the new thing and thus acceptable to hate.mk6 was and still is cool. We could have got mk6 in real life but we live in a world run by gay jews.
>>97967397Honestly I don't mind the necked cartridges for a bolter, I think it looks cool so it's fine, I just think the belt fed ammo box is retarded. It's such a simple fix, too, just have the belt feed enter an opening on the side of the gun. There's also the weird obsession 40k era marine designs have with ammo boxes (without belt feeds) functioning like drum magazines which...no.
>>97967401haha careful bro. they will get you with their space lasers and deny you the chance to find a romantic partner if they catch you saying that.
>anons are trying to make sense of 40k weapon designpic related.
>>97967397It's warhammer bud. Their is no logic in a universe that has space ships that can nuke a planet yet they fight like its the 18th century sail warfare, you got guys that carry enough firepower to level a building yet they fight hand to hand and have one-on-one duels. Space marines some how only have 1000 in a chapter yet are expected to protect a whole solar system. Logic doesn't exist and being some nit picky gun fag doesn't help.
>>97967284>>97967325On second thought, maybe that's not a full feed. Maybe it's just a box or drum that holds an ammo belt so it's not dangling around. It has one hole to feed the gun, and another hole to introduce more ammo to the belt. Probably.
>>97967365>Why does everyone hate the newer mk6?Tiny headsPetite armsSmall (feminine) handsWeird angular chest plateGrossly oversized back packOddly flexing and curving armour on the legs and boots that make it look like a rubber suitShoulderpad in two piecesTorsos attached to legsArms and weapons not cross-compatibleLike for real, Mk VI has always been my favourite, but the nu-mk6 marines are such a fucking disaster I'll refuse to own them even if they were free.
>>97967526>Space marines some how only have 1000 in a chapter yet are expected to protect a whole solar systemThat's like two planets with four points of interest and one mine on average. Space is both big and majorly empty.I mean look at our own planet. 3/4 of it is useless salt water, and half the land is either Siberia, Canada, the Amazon, Antarctica or useless desert
>>97967526>fictional setting so you can't have any expectation of consistency or maintaining of artificial boundary pointsone of the worst most goyim-tier takes imaginable
>>97967530Yeah that's called a belt-box. They normally don't have big stupid cutouts on the side to allow dirt to get inside, or an always-open bottom for the belt to dangle out of. They also typically don't feed up through the attachment point where they clip onto the firearm.
>>97967580so what you're saying is that all the belt fed bolters should feed through the side like the imperial guard heavy bolter?
>>97967562>Retard doesn't readJews are actually right when they say goyim aren't people. No where did I say just because its a fictional setting, means that it should have any expectation of consistency. I said that the whole setting doesn't have consistency at all. The setting literally doesn't have logic and what little logic you can find in the setting, it breaks it when it wants to push a story. The whole setting is filled with logic holes that crying about how a fire arm works in the setting is retarded when even the largest to smallest details of the setting is inconsistent.
>>97967551Well too bad in warhammer even the biggest lifeless shithole planets are still good enough to live in, and apparently every solar system in the galaxy has planets good enough for humans to be living there or at least build important shit that is worth defending. Stop trying to apply real life logic in a setting made by some brit bong comic/punk fans.
>>97967601I don't care honestly, it's fictional toy soldiers.But yeah the newer IG heavy bolter is one of the more mechanically-believable designs GW has produced.>>97967503Fuck yeah that's it, that fucking dark angles combi bolter. Totally forgot about that one. Perfect example of this shit.
>>97967284What if you flip the gun upside down or on its side and insert the belt feed like a floppy stripper clip, and the belt link is disintegrating and comes out of the ejection port?
>>97961961Do you have pics with FW ones by any chance bananaman?
>>97967683>disintegrating links out of the ejection portThe MCR has a separate opening through which empty links are discarded (just above the ejection port for brass cartridges). You can't feed linked ammunition up through the magwell on this particular weapon. Linked ammo can only be fed from the side and the empty links are discarded out the other side, ammunition cartridges are stripped off the belt links and then they drop down vertically into alignment with the barrel.If you're asking in general "could it be done?", maybe it's possible to engineer such a dual feed system, there just aren't any real world examples as far as a know. Which probably means it's too complex or unreliable or a stupid fucking idea.
>>97967603>fictional setting so you can't rivet countDid you get lost? 40kg is down the hall and to the left.
>>97967531Can you post I pic where it shows the flexing and curving on the legs and boots? I only see it on nu-mkIII not nu-mkvi
>>97967453no they will just steal your foreskin anf g-spot.
>>97966149We reached peak chainsword in the plastic mkIII box
>>97965754Big honor ofc
>>97964024The terrain looks nice, please buy a mat or two, it's not that expensive
>>97966215They make all the extra bits accessories that you don't really need instead.>nu-Cataphractii coming with double pauldrons and faulds>nu-Custodes with more head options than senseIs what immediately comes to mind. Also seems peculiar that only marines have dedicated upgrade kits sold separately or bundled when all sides operate in pairs of sister kits instead.
>>97968602how so? I can kinda see it for the DG but wouldn't IW just hate it? They just turn into a big(ger) target.
>>97967526Legions have more then 1k dudes here bud. >>97967603Your not completely wrong. Rule of Cool does defy a shit ton of logic within warhammer. But being mad that someone finds a box fed-belt fed combo to be retarded, is retarded. Warhammer does have some consistency, which is why marks of armor, or marks of guns tend to be the same.(though im sure you could scroll for hours finding one official painting to prove me wrong)
>>97967503I can't believe people would be that retarded to draw that
>>97969172They based it on the model (which has a cutout to fit the model better). In old art it's suppose to be more intact.
HH heavy bolter looks like something that should have a belt feed coming out of the drum like an RPD, but since it doesn't we're left to assume it just has a MASSIVE fucking drum magazine
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/rlbelsyl/take-the-fight-to-tallarn-with-the-new-journal-tactica/
>>97969321>>97969172There's no fucking way for that bolter to function with that overall shape, given how modern real world firearms function mechanically. The QBZ you posted doesn't have any of the issues I've identified.I don't care either way, it's a game about pretend toy soldiers, but if anyone is interested in a mechanical explanation here's why.
One of the 1.0 heavy bolters is beltfed from the bottom. I didn't want to bring it up because this whole discussion is boring but no one did so here it is. Mars pattern heavy bolter.
>>97969472
>>97969472You could engineer a belt fed weapon that feeds from the bottom up, it would just be really fucking awkward for the user.
>>97969468>how modern real world firearms function mechanicallyThere's a wild world of functional firearms designs out there.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atyPwvgYH-c
Hmm I'm having difficulty choosing. Word bearers, iron warriors or imperial fists
>>97969468>it must use an AR action (one of the longest most space consuming bolt systems invented)Or you know, it could use a bent sheet metal claw to pull rounds forward (like a tkb-022) for a shorgun style lifter to put the round in a spot for the bolt to pick up. A return spring could be forward of the action (like a lot of guns, SIG SG550 series for example). Not saying it’s a practical or reliable system by any means, just saying there could possibly be a way, but you do need more space above the mag and the design is atrocious anyway.
>>97969503Fuck I forgot about that one. It still doesn't have the weird bore axis issue though. Pull systems exist, but there's a reason they aren't widespread.
>>97969516I see your point but it's still not the same. There's no reason to send a cartridge up a shopping mall escalator when a more simple in-line solution would work.Gonna go commit sudoku now for having unironically posted about this nerd shit.
>>97969508What do you find interesting about them?
>>97969650Word bearers because they bear the wordIron warriors because they're just soldiers doing soldieringImperial fists because the yellow colour scheme is really cool
>>97969664Then WB + militia painted yellow.
>>97969538>there's a reason they aren't widespread.There's only one Lion's Wrath, so it clearly isn't.>>97969559Cartridge elevators and weird feed systems are older than box magazines. Simple solutions have their own benefits and problems. As a character, Azrael doesn't need a gun that has to work for ages in the field, his position affords him serfs to maintain the weapon and keep it operational. So whatever drawbacks the designs have compared to its benefits are negated. Like how Vietnam era SEALs used M63s, which were not reliable enough for standard issue, but due to more downtime and shorter time in the field, such issues could be negated in the hands of special forces, allowing the benefits of the design outshine the M60.
>>97968564Just take a good look at those rotating images on GW's webstore anon. If you are old enough to post here you shouldn't have to be spoon fed any more.
>>97968564Luckily I had an old image.
>>97969406>spartan prometheus is a command tankinteresting....perhaps a command slot then?
>>97969833Most likely just a spartan with quad bolters and maybe some special rule.
converting with MK2 legs...should the belt and skull buckle be kept on the legs, and I shave off the belt and buckle from the torso that should be attached?or shave off the belt and buckle from the MK2 legs?
>>97969924as in the new MkII? I don't think either is possible since at least one leg is joined to the torso with the belt moulded in. The only thing you could do is cut the torso/leg piece in half, shave the leg section down and stick a torso with a belt piece moulded on to it onto the legs. Overall it's going to be an absolute hack job though.
>>97969960yeah you have to clip the torso off, the question is if you clip the belt off too, or leave the belt and clip it off the torso you're attaching
>>97969708Holy fuck, you're right anon
What are anons taking on the nu-venatari, lances or pistols+shield?I feel like they end up having very different targets but I'm not sure if the output of the pistol is enough to make up for the total lack of melee punch
>>97969998given it's a round belt 'buckle' I don't think you could cut it off without cutting too much of the pelvis away so I'd probably cut the belt off the torso.
>>97970068it's pretty much unanimous that the lances are the best option
Has anyone found the mailed fist journal pdf? Cant find it anywhere online.
New stuff
>>97970164I mean, tank officer of the line 2 is kinda cool, but fuck it's so expensive...
>>97970164>spartan with 8 slot transport capacitywew>dracosan with no transport capacity instead of just making a command MalcadorWhat is James smoking so I know not to partake?
>>97970163Couple of threads back. Look for a Thanos meme.
>>97970164wait, isnt that the symbol for the high command slot? not the normal command slot?
>>97970253Yup, it's high command.
>>97970164So I guess GW is just committing to command tanks being transports now instead of battle tanks.
>>97970255how strange, I guess they don't want spam and want you to take these instead of something like a praetor
Well, if I take one of these + a Forge lord I can fit all of my tanks bar my fellblade in one list and have just over 500 points left for some troops in rhinos...kind wishes we had razor backs now ngl. Biggest problem is I obviously don't have a spartan with heavy bolters, and I don't like buying another 120 buck kit for a finished army
>>97970164>Smokescreen trait>Smokelaunchers in wargear which says it has the smokescreen traitBit redundant. Guess it's for immersion reasons?
>>97967260>Nurgle (Not!) Vraksian militiaExcellent taste. I have that priest and the one with censers coming from Chang while I continue work on my Iron Hands.
I’m into the concept of a mobile command center tank, but I can’t get past the janky noclipping heavy bolters. Idk how you’d even fix this short of 3rd party bits.
>>97970382Rapier.
>>97970382The mox mag just wraps around the lower heavy bolter, it doesn't go through it retard. Only idiots addicted to vidya games would think about noclipping.
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>>97970413The mox bag.
>>97970413£0.05 has been deposited into your account. James thanks you for your strident defense of lazy designs. If not for shills like you, GW might have to put effort into designing miniatures!
>>97970413>upper bolters have less than half of the ammunition the lower bolters do because of their wrap-around magazines>this is a sensical designMethinks it may be you who’s retarded, anon.
>>97970286is that vraks bodies with traitor guardsmen arms?
>>97970488Yes. Guy on the left has Mad Robot legs. I have a shitload more built that are a mishmash of Vraks, third party, green stuff and guardsmen bits.
