>>98013356
Mutual shit-flinging between anti-ACKS/AD&D 2e /osrg/ posters and people who include ACKS and/or AD&D 2e in "Old School Renaissance".

>>98013377
How many threads are necessary for that, exactly?

half of those look like the same thread that was created a bunch of times while all the others still hadn't reached bump limit

>>98013356
His name is fishfag. He just shits out threads as fast as he can in his attempt to hijack /osrg. /osrg regulars in turn shitpost them to death, but fishfag is a legitimate, honest schizo and so just keeps spamming more threads.

I have no idea why he hasn't been banned: he's been doing this stuff for a minimum of 2 years, sometimes making literally a dozen+ threads in a day.

>>98013377
One of them is /osrg/. At least five or six of the other threads were made by an Anon who has been trolling /osrg/ since 2024, and has been escalating, trying to take over the whole board for his anti-/osrg/ jihad.

This is not normal behavior.

>>98013416
It kind of comes with the territory these days. I don't think there's a board without a schizo on a crusade anymore.

>>98013392
The problem is that the anti-ACKS/AD&D 2e shit-flingers come into every thread attempting to use a broader definition of OSR than /osrg/, so people keep trying to spin off containment threads they proceed to not take their dozens of posts of spamming shit-flinging to.

>>98013401
>His name is fishfag. He just shits out threads as fast as he can in his attempt to hijack /osrg.
The term "fishfag" was coined for one of the anti-ACKS shit-flingers getting assmad about a man recounting an anecdote from a well-previously and quite unseriously recounted campaign in which the content-bloat of ACKS did its job of offering a ready-made set of rules for almost all the details of a niche situation, not a member of the AD&D 2e-is-OSR crowd this surge of threads is attempting to service.

>>98013416
You are allowed to leave their threads alone. You are not morally obligated to flood with intentionally unproductive bullshit to push them to bump limit.

>>98013439
Perhaps, but do they create a new thread every time they have a comment to make? Is this how /tg/ is supposed to work?

This is beyond anything I've seen on the board in many years.

>>98013456
>>98013461
Sorry, misread. Deleted.

>>98013356
>>98013392
>How many threads are necessary for that, exactly?
At most, two. One for the people who just want B/X and other very early games, and another for people who want to those alongside 2e and other nuSR systems.

All of the shitflinging is just someone who is very specifically obsessed with what is or isn't defined as OSR. When for anyone who actually cares about discussing games, the solution already exists.
There's already both a 3.5 general and a Pathfinder general up at the moment. It's not a difficult concept for people to just pick a lane.

>>98013356
Multiple ass-blasted faggots having schizo meltdowns as well as multiple shitposters and possible mod-bots causing trouble.

>>98013748
>At most, two. One for the people who just want B/X and other very early games, and another for people who want to those alongside 2e and other nuSR systems.
You'd probably want three, one to gulag the strict dungeon-looting gameplay loop stretching forward with the relevant bits of 2e forced down its throat, one for broader pre-WotC D&D discussion confined to reasonably cleanly compatible rulesets stretching back into the pre-2e narrative stuff, then one for the swirling shitshow of only loosely inspired systems. Probably with a Pastebin or something coordinating the division of topics.

>There's already both a 3.5 general and a Pathfinder general up at the moment. It's not a difficult concept for people to just pick a lane.
AIUI that's because of issues Paizo's further diverging of its fork of the d20 system causing problems, with the converse of PF2e poster issues pressuring more-closely-in-line PF1e material back in.

>>98013819
It's literally one guy. His rage targets are:

the OSR in general
ACKS super specifically
William Hope Hodgson's The Night Land
Jack Vance's Dying Earth

Any thread on these will immediately draw his attention, and he'll start samefagging all over it. /osrg is the only permanent thread in the list, though, so it's the one he tries to actively hijack by spamming replacements and competitors.

If that seems like a bizarre fucking list, well, schizophrenia is a hell of a drug.

>>98013356
Because the osrg trolls shit up every thread about OSR games someone makes. If we get a conversation going at like 4 to 5 of them troll the living fuck out of it. So posters abandon it and start again. It's a never ending cycle because the osrg trolls are allowed to troll threads

>>98013838
>AIUI that's because of issues Paizo's further diverging of its fork of the d20 system causing problems
Sure. But likewise, it demonstrates that you can have two generals for similar things with a sizable quantity of overlap. The existence of /mtg/ and /edh/ would be another example. They recognize that the differences are significant enough to divide things up, rather than having everything devolve into shitflinging.

>You'd probably want three
If three become necessary, it's the sort of thing that will occur over time to meet demand. But as it stands, the /osrg/ is currently very clear about what it allows/disallows, and so simply making a different general for all of the people asking about Cairn or Shadowdark or 2e or whatever else seems like plenty.

>>98013949
The issue is the osrg trolls every thread anyone tries. Made 2e treads, it got trolled, made a Todd thread to not offend the, they trolled the fuck out of it, make OSR threads, they troll them.

The issue is pretty clearly with the osrg folks

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>>98013949
The actual issue is that /tg is too small to have multiple threads for a niche topic like the OSR. They have been made, and will probably still be made (there's a nsr thread up right now) but a lack of interest always causes them to die out due to lack of posting (it doesn't help that fishfag spams them constantly, trying to raise a personal army to storm the gates of /osrg). One lives for a while, dies for a month or two, comes back, dies again due to lack of posting, etc.

The osr beyond its original definition is just a loose assortment of games that really have nothing in common, so it's hard to have organic back and forth discussion. One guy is playing 2e and one guy Into the Odd and another guy Cairn and they have nothing in common except that randos coming along years later decided that all should be OSR.

The beatings will continue until fishfag kills himself

>>98013940
Kill yourself, fishfag.

>>98013984
Stop making shit up, fishfag. You were the one trolling /2eg/ and /todd/ because they refused to join your private army against /osrg/.

>>98013457
Yeah they do. At least from what I've seen. It eventually calms down but there's some genuinely unhinged freaks out there anon and they're all over the site.

It's not supposed to be like this. But this is also basically the only place on the internet this can happen without moderation stepping in or absolutely destroying your social status. It sucks.

>>98014155
Gods above you are sad
>>98014162
You too son

>>98014066
>>randos coming along years later decided that all should be OSR.

This is backward. They were and are OSR, things like into the off branched off from the OSR groups. From day 1 it wasn't just TSR clones, the first OSR game was a neo clone. The issue is OSR was never one group, it started on at lest 3 sites, and on those sites it wasn't one group but several all with Thier own ideas of what is "Old school".

OSR was never a United ideology.

>>98014271
>at lest
>Thier
Fishfag's dyslexic lap dog is exactly as retarded as fishfag is. What a duo.

>>98013984
Well, you can just look at the most recent /todd/ thread to see that's not true
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97971224

The earliest post that has the clearest signs of any inter-thread shit-flinging is
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97971224/#q97971401
trying to get people to move to a different thread with OSR in the name, citing 'osrg-tards', but the thread was completely lacking in any such argument up to that point.

It was a slow thread, and it died before even hitting 50 posts, but I'd blame that more on the fact that there's several threads with 'OSR' in the title, to the point where anyone trying to find the general thread specifically designed to avoid the shit-flinging would have a harder time doing so.
If that thread managed to die without getting raided by 'osr trolls', then clearly it was good enough at not causing a shitstorm.

It's an entirely functional solution, and the only reason to not use it if you care more about waging war than discussion.

>>98014585
I'm afraid you're not allowed to use that /osrg troll tool known as "consensus reality" to prove your point: this upsets fishfag and only shows your bias.

>>98013356
He's an absoluely insane nigger who has a hateboner for /osrg/. Your guess is as good as mine as to why the jannies let him keep it up.

>>98013456
This here is Fishfag himself, trying to confuse the matter: it's not the case that the ACKS haters and the people who know AD&D 2e isn't OSR are the same people, quite to the contrary. He knows this himself, but he wants you to believe it to confuse people, because he thinks a hopeless muddle is the only way for him to force his preferences though (it won't work either, but he beleives this which is what matters).

In fact, the ACKS hater is the same guy agressively pushing 2e and spamming out these threads.

>>98013377
Oh, this is also Fishfag, missed that. /osrg/ is pro-ACKS.

>>98013457
>Is this how /tg/ is supposed to work?
No, the way /tg/ is supposed to work is the mods are supposed to ban these schizos and the jannies are supposed to prune their threads on sight. Why that's not happening, who knows.

>>98013748
>>98013838
/osrg/ is enough by itself. It's not even a particularly fast general. There's no need to confuse things by mixing 2e and nuSR, unrelated games, into any version of that gneeral. You can just start a dedicated 2e thread and so on.

>>98013356
>5e is already the cancer that ate 70% of the market, so the only logical step is to fill the remaining 30% with 5e clones
OSR retroclones are literally just stripped down 5e with objectively worse math, and i'm tired of pretending otherwise. they all should just eat shit and die

>>98016268
>OSR retroclones are literally just stripped down 5e with objectively worse math, and i'm tired of pretending otherwise.
Nigger what? In what way are OSE, LotfP, or ACKS, derivative of 5e?

>>98013356
It's a response to faggots who want to autistically gatekeep /osrg/ from bad-wrong-fun games that don't fit their contested definition that D&D second edition is "not OSR"
We made threads free of that shit, and they openly admit to raiding/spamming them at >>98016198 >>98001657 & >>.
98001965
They also are pushing the idea that everyone who opposes them is actually just "one guy" who somehow posts across timezones & has never played dnd once before, and please trust us everyone agrees its just one guy.
And these threads will keep getfing made at a rate of a normal thread. If they raid and soam it to buno limit we will make more, becahse theres no rules against making threads. /osrg/ still exists, they're not a general.

>>98016286
the same 6 stats, the same AC system, the same d20 resolution

it's all the same 5e slop

>>98016313
>we

>>98016379
Yup, We.

>>98016400
Hi fishfag

>>98016313
>It's a response
So you've decided you're going to single-handedly spam the whole BOARD over the fact that you can't accept that generals have topics.

You're not making yourself sound very well adjusted, fishfag.

One faggot cant cope with the fact osr was always just about 1e.

>>98016413
>>98016420
>Pushing the meme again
Screaming this loud enough will not make it true.
>you're going to single-handedly spam the whole BOARD
Nah, someone else started making them, and i decided to make new ones (Mainly because people like yourself decided to openly spam/raid them, like i referenced in >>98016313 )

>>98016480
>No, you see, I'm not spamming/flooding the whole board, I'm spamming/flooding the whole board!
Kill yourself, fishfag.

>>98016485
Nobody cares about your delusions, and you admitted to raiding.

>>98013356
There are 150 threads at any given time. Just filter the ones you don't care for. If there are no threads you care for, make one, go to another board or take time off from 4chan for a moment.

>>98016497
This is just moral yapping, it doesn't matter what your justification is or how good it is in your own mind for making a copycat general.

I'm talking about cause and effect. If you create a copycat general, the regulars of the general will shitpost the fuck out of it, that's just a simple inevitable consequence.

Whether you're the good guy in your own mind is immaterial, how hard you seethe is immaterial.

There is no general anywhere on /tg/ or the entire board that will just accept a takeover attempt calmly and do nothing.

>>98016497
>Raiding
You keep using words you don't understand, fishfag. It's not a raid if someone who actually plays OSR games posts in thread that claims to be OSR.

>>98016268
This is your brain on GURPS.

>>98016313
>>98016480
>retarded bawwing
>so upset over getting pushback on his transparent autistic bullshit that he can't type
I wish I'd saved that "moral yapping" screencap; would've come in handy now.

>>98016564
Oh lmao, you already posted it

>>98016356
You mean the same 6 stats and resolution system we've had since before 5e existed?

>>98016632
Fishfag has been repeating the same bullshit every day, multiple times a day, for at least two years. As a result, Anons have developed canned responses that they just copy-paste.

>>98016726
I know, I was just saying that I wished I had the screencap version of it to post at Fishfag.

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>>98016736
I gotchu senpai

>>98016745
NICE. Thanks Anon, saved.

>>98016745
>mobilefagging

>>98016791
Imagine NOT mobilefagging. Never touching 4chan on my PC has done wonders for my productivity. At least on my phone I'm already not being productive so who cares?

>>98016643
yeah, that exact one

your favorite indie creator just selling you the exact same d20 garbage from the 70s while pretending it's some revolutionary high-art masterpiece. the only difference being that WotC's slop is honest about being a soulless corporate product for pigs at the trough

>>98017135
>d20 garbage from the 70s
1970s D&D is not a d20 system, you absolute fucking mongoloid WotC faggot.

It uses 1d6 or 1d100 for searching, listening, athletic stuff such as breaking doors, orientation in the wilderness and surprise, 2d6 or 1d100 for social things like reaction rolls, and 1d100 for Thief skills. It only uses 1d20 for attack rolls and saves.

>>98017611
Think some editions used d10s for initiative rolls. BECMI?

>>98017611
>typing out a whole paragraph of esoteric dice math to defend a 50-year-old game
who actually cares? i get being hyped about retroclones back when there were only like 3 or 5 of them, but what are we at now, 50? OSR has basically become the Marvel capeshit of ttrpgs at this point. wake up anon, it isn't 2015 anymore

>>98017722
Piss Filter AI Slop. Opinion Disregarded.

>>98016313
>they're not a general
>If I just claim this, that makes it true and nobody will be able to say otherwise!
They're an obvious attempt at creating a rival general. A recurring thread which has a topic no more specific than a given game or set of games is a general. You have to be a complete idiot to think you can just declare your way out of that.

>>98016629
>retarded bawwing
Yes, that is your posts.

>>98017722
Kek- what?
>Learn in minutes, master in a lifetime, the rules get out of the way
Ehh, from my experience the older books have been poorly formatted which makes it hard to learn in minutes
Master in a lifetime makes sense, my dad is able to understand everything about it.
And the rules definitely don’t get out of the way, I distinctly remember a few hours of a session was dedicated to discussing the base building mechanics of the initial building cost, hiring laborers/architects, the time it would take to build it, the additional cost of paying the laborers/architects, and how it would be possible to get all of those things into a frontier town
>Your wits, your choices, your consequences.
Which is another way of saying character building is plain and simple as every game is able to do this. You don’t become less-witty because you have a once a rest ability to hit two times in a single turn
>death is real
I agree with that one
>Dm freedom
This is a meaningless as a point and I will skip this
>Creativity and engagement
This also.. isn’t unique to just older school games
>vibes
I do think OSR does provide the grittiness well enough. Though from my personal experience it ends up becoming “dry” and “mechanical”

>>98016995
You are here crying about "fishfag" so it is very unlikely word productivity fits anything you do.

>>98017722
Why should I trust the opinion of a man who has to let a computer think for him?

>>98017722
they're all shit, and the endless scatarianism of the scene only exists so these "products" can hog more space on the shop bookshelves. it's the tabletop equivalent of the Oreo aisle at the supermarket, where they peddle 50 different neon limited edition flavors like Watermelon or Birthday Cake to trick you into thinking you have a choice, but when you actually bite in, it's all the exact same mass produced garbage

at this point, every single one of these hipster zines just needs to be thrown into a single "5e and its clones" containment thread where it belongs.

>>98018013
>no u!
Kek, if only you'd developed a second reply by now. Oh wait, I forgot, you did: some variant of "peepeepoopoo retard"! Okay, a third then.

>>98018172
>at this point, every single one of these hipster zines just needs to be thrown into a single "5e and its clones" containment thread where it belongs.
Imagine being this mad that variants of D&D make up 98% of the TTRPG market.

>>98018292
Maybe if you developed some thoughts people you would not be called a retard so much.

>>98018303
i am!

>>98016179
The shit flinging retard, everybody.

>>98017722
Lol