Previous: >>98026148My wife edition>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolashttps://files.catbox.moe/823tpq.png>Did this happen?https://files.catbox.moe/ika7gh.gifhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4SEDzynMiQ&t=44shttps://files.catbox.moe/t0zq17.jpg>Why is mono green so boring?https://files.catbox.moe/2x8qly.jpg>Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)https://files.catbox.moe/8a43jw.jpg>I hate thread culturehttps://files.catbox.moe/1jzlen.jpgTQ: How transferable do you think skills in 60-card are to the format?
>TQthey are fully transferrable and anyone saying otherwise is a raging timmy
My wife if you even care
>>98030689I will not derail the thread with bait today! I will not reply to obvious bait!
Post decks
um actually you denigrate thread culture by not letting the ritual posts occur organically
>>98030689After all those decades, Thalia is still just a 2/1?
>>98030689Finally a real thread (I love Thalia)>tqIMO people should get experience with 60 formats before diving into Commander. A lot of players who come into commander without 1v1 competitive experience often make major deck building mistakes (mainly - not eating their vegetables: including removal, enough land, enough draw, protection, etc) and don't understand why they're getting run over because they just threw together a magical christmas land deck.
>>98030740>75% decksa sentiment that has rightfully become a relic of the past
>>98030740
>>98030814I need to figure out a build for her.
>>98030740I need to take some new photos
>>98030832she's real fun with pump spells
>>98030740My current roster
>>98030866wtf where did you get this reality fracture leak
>>98030879Go back to the UB thread momo.
>>98030890but this is the UB thread
>>98030740No. An early thread rushed to get shitposts into the OP isn't worth being graced with real decks.
>>98030879>>98030894Hello my favorite little performative culture warrior! Did you save the aryan master race yet with your /tg/ posts? No? Well perhaps it's because you haven't shared your message enough! After all, posting here is like preaching to the choir! You need to focus your efforts on educating the masses in other areas like your LGS!
>>98030898Begone trashtard.
>>98030894>early thread/tg/ bump limit is 300 zoomie
>>98030898>performativeand yet you will never be your fursonaor a woman for that matter
>>98030890Stop directing him there. We don't want him either. Report his posts so he gets banned for being off-topic like he already has twice.
>>98030904You don't make until page 10 to stop bloat.Bit you knew that, but you need to force your fetish, despite /d/ exists.
>>98030906>I need to save the aryan master race but I would never ever ever ever spread my message to someone that doesn't already agree with itCome now anon, if you're the normal one, surely you can find at least one person at your LGS who shares your views!
>>98030918>braids enchantress
>>98030915>take a look at the containment threadYikes no wonder you're here
>>98030894>crying about early bakes when the last 3 he made were done at barely 300
>>98030917nta but these threads have a really bad habit of slowing to a crawl once they hit bump limit and rotting on page 8-9 with minimal posts before someone bakes a new one. At least when no one is baking at bump limit.
>>98030936>Implying that wasn't complained about as well.You are a pathetic maggot. Go to /d/
>>98030936i still remember the image spam meltdown btw
>>98030927is gifting three enchantments your only way to win? don't you lose when you get them back?
>>98030923Its a lot of fun, you play shit like despondency, doomwake giant, grim guardian etc, whittle the table down with braids, then end with something like cacophony unleashed
>I put my le furry porn in le OP again xDDDDDFake thread, shall not use.>>98030879Jesus Christ how horrifying. Judging from how strongly the furfag tourist reacted it must be true, too.
When are we getting a WBG vehicles commander
>fake thread won't use!pds says as he's 8 posts in. We all can tell who you are samefag. >>98030629 go back and stop trolling the board.
>>98030968Watch out! I'm going to call you Reddit next!
>>98030949The only games I've won with it are when I stick around and pillowfort until there's one player left then I bad gift them. It can definitely use some work in terms of wincons. This is the current listhttps://moxfield.com/decks/X1HVPP0mTkG26jT4_hcPgQ
I really miss the 4 days we had where PDS was banned because the mods finally got off their ass. Strange how in that time there was no bait about green ramp, brackets, or /pol/shit.
>>98030968>>98030983>the furfag is infecting the containment thread too and samefaggingdegenerate as always, color me shocked
>>98030989Those same 4 days when no one was using the term "PDS?"Those 4 days? Weird that.
>>98030740just put it together today
>>98031023>retard goes away >people stop saying "fuck that retard is retarded" when the retard isn't aroundReminder you're an actual midwit.
>>98030968We don't want him either. All he does is post his fucking bait about how green ramp is OP and has no counter despite an entire color existing to fuck it over.
Heartbreaking: One anon so annoying that Hitler (/edhg/) and Stalin (/mtg-UB/) agree on something.
>>98031055>>98031074There's a sperg in the vtuber thread on /wsg/ that acts the exact same way as him. Same language, verbage, insults same low iq shitflinging and arguments same behavior of coopting others insults of him and pretending like he isn't the one being goofed on. I'm 99% convinced it actually is pds, the posting style is uncanny.DESU if he wasn't around I bet the thread would perfectly fine. We literally just had a couple days where he was noticeably absent and it was the most civil and intelligent the thread has been for a long time. Dude needs to be perma'd.
>>98030917>bloatThis board isn't nearly as slow as it was 15 years ago. This isn't /xs/
>>98030937Because no one wants to ask for advice or ask a question or start a discussion when someone might make a new thread 15 minutes later.
>>98030937We regularly used to have active 500-600 post threads and only needed bakes when we hit bump limit. Since pds started culture warring and spamming threads at 300 everyone has stopped bothering once we reach the 300a because >>98031098
>>98030886I love Auramancer
>>98031103And what I said is what always happened. Unless by "used to" you mean nearly half a decade
>>98031114"Used to" means 3-4 months ago before the poltardation brigade started in here.
>>98031119yes threads used to go to 400-500 repliescoincidentally those old threads didn't have furry porn in the OP
Who's the problem now?The retard who claims anyone and everyone is this "pds" or is there really a "pds: bookeymanSeems like the retard crying out the name is the much bigger issue than anyone else.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98031138I don't know. All I know is the faggot who keeps bloating the OP with memes is the bad guy
Too obvious. Not even worth a (You).
gay bolas is funny once in a while but not every thread, you gotta space it out a little
>>98031169imagine if toski poster wanted toski to be the OP image every single timechange that to furry porn, and that's the furfag
>>98031056What's the skinny on Konrad? I've wanted to build Syrs-of-all-colors for a while.
What are some crazy kind of unique commanders that don’t really play like anything basic?
>furfag>furry porn>kys>post images of chad>polposting>complaining about funposting in the op>samefaggingAnyone using these terms or doing these things is 90% likely to be pds and 100% the problem with these threads.
>>98031180nothing, swordbro just likes golbez
>>98031177>>98031169>>98031157>>98031138
>>98031183
>>98031184what a coincidence, /mtg(-ub)/ lacks all of that and you're still shitting it up furfag
>98031193ub posters just came in to talk about how much of a faggot you are in there too pds you are the problem
>can't give a (You) anymore because he accidentally gave himself awayconcession accepted poopdickschizo
>>98031185Golbez is COOL!>>98031180Play creatures in as many slots as you can, mill yourself/others and hope to fuck you ping people out before they remove him too many times. Monoblack has a few combos that fit him as well like Phy Altar + 1 drop Knight + Haakon, or Mindcrank + Bloodchief, or in lieu of a combo I have a HUGE boner for them Tombstone Stairwell hits the board or Morality Shift resolves. Dreadhound and Polluted Cistern make for decent redundancy as well.
>>98031186>Stop forcing eyes on me to show I am the actual problem.Never.
Can I post some custom cards here for feedback or is it exclusively shitposting hours?
>>98031183https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs3xXlXSOKk
>>98030847Yeah I'm fiddling with a clones/pump spells build for her but I'm grinding up against 100 and don't have nearly enough protection/draw to make me comfortable with her. I either peel back on clones/pumps to make room for protection and draw and wind up whiffing during my playtests, or I peel back protection and risk having a functionally useless deck if I can't get a clone out, or I blow my load and don't have enough draw to take on the next player.I just can't get the numbers to my satisfaction.
>>98031186Not sure why you replied to me.
>>98031244I mean, I'm here and I can give feedback, I don't know if anyone else will.
>>98031184PDS doesn't even make fucking sense as an insult because he wouldn't be schizo. Unless you are stating the shitposts in the OP aren't really there.
>>98031244Post what you want dingus.
>>98031253While she's popular it is hard to build her imo hope you get to a point you like where her deck is
How do you decide on an art style to go with?
>>98031279It's hard to build her because she has no theme, she's a lot like Y'shtola in just being a broken value-engine with 0 interesting or build-around mechanics. I can't stand modern commander design for this reason, they either make the card so narrow it literally can't be played except with the same 30 support cards or so broad it might as well just be Rog/Si or Thas/Tymna.
>>98031287
>>98031287there's always dimir azula that scales with your opponents and isn't broken at all
>>98031291
>>98031287Yeah this is a problem I'm running into her with too. She's not an obvious self contained value engine - which is good in a lot of ways - but she doesn't have an obvious low power route so you can build her "fair" and fill her full of pump spells but unless you manage to have a mitt full and nobody else is fucking with you you probably won't outright kill someone in one turn like you would with green queen. The objective best way to build her is boring comboslop and getting flash on non-instants to cast shit with busted etbs.
>>980312831. english > any other language2. i'm personally fine with a fancy version if it's a key card; too many fancy stuff in a deck is an eyesore imo
what should I build?
>>98031324essence brewer because this game's godforsaken artstyle needs more CUTE WOMEN
>>98031307Building her with Pump spells is still pretty fun imo you're seen as such a low threat that from my experience people just will just let Azula through thinking they can just take the 4 until she turns into a 68/12 with trample while Kediss is out as well
ban sol ringban rhystic studyban tutors (yes, all of them)
>>98030689>TQExtremely, from my observations of my local scene. Pretty much everyone I know who started with 60 card magic (or limited) and then came to commander is on average orders of magnitude better than the commander-only players at my LGS.
>>98031390correct
Looking for literally any advice, as well as an estimated bracket level. First time making a deck and am a complete novice.The goal of the deck was to generate tokens and use them plus some other cards to get out very large demons that act as the game-ending threats through their effects and large stats, making sure I have plenty to sacrifice while forcing my opponents to sacrifice their own boards as well.
>>98031421>ghoulcaller gisadon't worry this will become a foundations mono black commander deck for just ~$30
>>98031421I've never built a deck that cost more than 100 dollars
>>980314213 game changers so it's bracket 3. This deck can definitely win although it's hard to point you in the right direction when it's somewhat aimless. Cut the Reliquary Tower, bump your land count to 36 (Cabal Coffers doesn't count as a land) and be sure to put in Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx.Do you want to focus on Gisa's activated ability? Do you want to focus on big fat demons? The demon tribal facet is cool but not exactly necessary to your commander's strategy.
>>98031438I never believe this shit
>>98031421Why is your shit sorted so retardedly?
>>98031421You have 3 GCs. You already know the answer.
>>98031438Weird flex. Like saying you've never driven a car you payed more than $1,000 for.
>>98031455I've never driven a car
>>98031465Based
>>98031432Huh?>>98031438I fully intended to proxy everything. Why would you pay for cardboard when it's going to WotC of all companies? Even indirectly through supporting the secondary market you're just promoting it.>>98031440The demons are supposed to be the deck. The rest is support. As far as I could tell there isn't a good demon commander since you can't effectively cheat things out of the commander zone. Gisa seemed like she had good support for it. If there's a better commander, or a more thematic one, I'm very open to it. But my problem was something like Valgavoth as commander looks cool but there's not really an advantage to having him be the commander over just in the deck.What's wrong with Reliquary Tower? Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx is definitely good though I think. What do I cut for another Swamp? A removal spell?>>98031446What would you sort it by if not mana cost? Type I guess?>>98031448I have literally never played a game of commander; I do not know the answer.
>>98031509>Even indirectly through supporting the secondary market you're just promoting it.reminder that even if you proxy everything you are serving as free advertising so yes you are still promoting wotc
>>98031562By playing magic you are operating within the incentive structure that benefits wotc.
>>98031572By posting in /edhg/ you're promoting Jin-Gitaxias NTR.
>>98031575The wandering emperor is literally built for Jin-Gitaxias huge metal tentacle cocks.
>>98031587
What bracket is actually the most fun to play with strangers? My experience recently with B3 has been just people vomiting creatures on board or actually winning on turn 5 without anyone trying to counterplay it. Are you just supposed to run blue every game to disrupt them or just hope you can get a boardclear to slow the game to a crawl?Or am I just forced to run some cheesy decks to get a quick win because that doesn't seem like it'd be that fun for everyone involved.
>>98031632just play b2 as wotc intended>but people play combos to win too earlybrackets are best played with hard combo turn limits, like for example turn 7 in b3
>>98031636Note that says 2 card combos. Not combos.
>>98031639is dualcaster a 2 or 3 card combo? depends on how you look at it and honestly making distinctions between 2 and 3 card combos is a headache that does not need to happeninstead of angleshooting on how to best fool people that your combo deck is 'inconsistent enough' players just have to realize that the issue simply lies as to when to combo off "in the appropriate time"
>>98031636I'm fine with X turns until anyone wins but what the retardation is 'until anyone loses'? Every voltron deck is bracket 4 then.
>>98031646>what the retardation is 'until anyone loses'? Every voltron deck is bracket 4 then.gavin brought that exact issue up in the twitch livestream last year>in the most corpospeak way possible he basically said to suck it up because voltron doesn't function otherwise it's fucking combat damage grow a spine
>>98031649in english doc
>>98031643Yeah, no.
>>98031659"Aggro decks get to ignore my shitty rule because I realized too late that these fast aggro decks and voltron do not function otherwise."
>>98031659https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2597691530?t=00h54m28s
>>98030740What's a 75% deck
>>98031660enjoy entertaining a guy who will argue with you that sanguine exquisite isn't actually a 2 card combo because he still needs to ping / send creature to the red zone first
>>98031649>>98031664He did? You got a link?
>>98031686>>98031669
>>98031669>>98031688Ah ok ty. But what makes you take away "voltron is exempt from bracket guidelines" from that?
>>98031669Do people actually like playing against or with an infect though. It seems like the cheapest possible way to kill someone and put the biggest possible target on your back
>>98031693because voltron only kills 1 person at a time, and you don't win until all 3 of your opponents are dead>seriously are you really going to ban green queen tifa from the b2 timmy table?
>>98031694the thing is it was never about whether people like to play against a certain archetype or notvoltron is a telegraphed as fuck archetype and too many UB characters wotc wants to get are voltron coded so there is no way wotc will ever flat out tell people voltron is too busted for b2
49%one percent short of halfand less than halfain't really much of nothin
>>98031695Sorry anon I'm not following. Seems to me this glaring issue is unaddressed
>>98031701you would definitely not want a combo deck in b2 that can consistently combo off t5, haha hope one of you guys is on blue!now tell me why voltron *maybe* killing one (1) guy t5 in b2 where all colors can handle a single creature and/or their equips is too much for the timmy table>seems to me someone can't handle some pressure in their edh games, picrel
>>98031695I wont, but I will tell you Voltron will always lead to an unsatisfying game.Case 1: You kill one player asap but get ganged up by the rest. One player gets to watch 45 min, you get to watch 20 min. Big sad.Case 2: The table gangs up on you and take you out of the game. You get to watch 1 hour. Big sad.Case 3: You kill the entire table very quickly. Big sad and everybody forces you to another commander. They will never ever play against your Voltron commander again.Do note that Case 1 and 3 are very likely to happen in bracket 2. Case 2 in bracket 3+.
>>98031711and yet voltron is a very popular archetype regardless, funny how a deck that actually doesn't win that much gets to be so popular huh
>>98031695Ok but this one can be swinging for lethal on the last player after it killed the other two by turn 5
>>98031714Slivers continue to be super popular while being shit as well. You know what they say. Everyday a new sucker is born.
>>98031718>double tifa's power until end of turn
>>98031721a poker shark won't refuses fishes so why would you refuse suckers in the b2 table, letting voltron in benefits wotc, the voltron player and the sweat it's a win-win
>>98031646A Voltron deck that's blowing its load prematurely and losing immediately afterwards should not be the standard for typical play any more than any other dumb edge case; like "oops, I knocked the Krenko player out turn 3 because he popped off early and I had a Rakdos Charm; I guess that should be a game-changer huh?"You can run plenty of decks into the ground trying to kill one player at the table, that's not even unique to voltron. A good Voltron deck has an actual plan of what to do AFTER swinging for lethal against a player at the table. Based on that, you only need to be able to read to understand "EXPECT" as a definition "to assume based on reasonable information". A 1 in a million christmasland hand and ultra dumb game closing out turn 5 doesn't make a deck Bracket 4 any more than a B4 stax-a-thon getting dragged to double-digit turns over four hours makes the decks B3 or lower.
>>98031727I don't understand what you are trying to tell me. Are you saying pubstomping bracket 2 is good?
>>98031731what i'm saying is voltron isn't top tier so why are you afraid of it in the b2 table again?
I'm playing voltron in bracket 2 and may kill you before turn 8. Deal with it, bitch.
>>98031735Whats ya cheating out
>>98031730"killing a single player before turn 8" is not "blowing its load"
>>98031710I'm too employed to follow the ironic memespeak anon, but I think you're saying it's silly to forbid voltron from killing before t6. Which I agree with you, it is stupid, but that doesn't mean the rule is not there. As it is written now this rule needs to be addressed by Gavin because it does say nobody dies before t6, voltron included
>>98031744>As it is written now this rule needs to be addressed by Gavin because it does say nobody dies before t6, voltron includedhe already did via the twitch livestream, you just don't want to hear beyond his corpospeak
>>98031746And I asked how do you take that from what he said and you replied with some Tifa meme
>>98031752>look voltron doesn't work if you ban it from killing people one at a time>so have a discussion with your pod about itit's in wotc's interest that everyone plays edh like a boardgame where everyone does the thing and the game ends after 2 hours after something caused 3 players to die at the same time, happy timmy time for allbut since we agree anyway that voltron is b2 tier when push comes to shove if someone really wants to play voltron even at the cost of someone dying early what are (You) going to do about it?>christ
>>98031758He is saying he's not removing commander damage. You can kill one at a time in t6,t7,t8 and still fall within his words. No mention or implication for the turn limit.Personally I wouldn't enforce it, but it's not my calling. There are other players at the table, and brackets are supposed to be for smoothing games with randos. So they have the right to be retarded because the rule is retarded. In the end, it is in fact displacing voltron decks
>>98031767>Personally I wouldn't enforce it, but it's not my calling>In the end, it is in fact displacing voltron decksyou don't even have to take "the calling" the meta decides things and it's true that voltron isn't top tier anyway and only something like light-paws is even worth considering for b3, but voltron's competitive viability isn't the issue here>He is saying he's not removing commander damage. he's also not removing infect either so if someone wants to do the thing by killing a single guy with glistener elf and die right after who are randos to deny him the opportunity at the b2 fnm?
>>98030740Just did some more testing, figured I'd post another fresh one
>>98031775>who are randos to denyThey have the right to be retarded because the rule is allowing them. Let's reduce to absurdity. Imagine the bracket guidelines said you can't play vehicles. Even if it's stupid you wouldn't be able to play them because it's what the rules say. Brackets are supposed to ease game talks, but it's allowing a random to say "no, you can't kill me with infect t5, it says so here" and it does in fact say it. That's the problem
>>98031802Expectations are not rulesI can create a b2 all flash deck to make it as untelegraphed as possible, but that doesnt make it not b2
MUHAHAHAHA I'M COMING TO CLOWN YA
>>98031820
>>98031818That's true. Like the rakdos charm example. However, keyword here is consistency. It's more difficult to build a voltron deck that will not kill one player t5 often. You still need to brew while thinking of the turn limit
>buy 4 boosters>pull pic rel>2 were from the same booster
>>98031846me on the left
>>98031838>consistencyIs 10% to win t5 "consistent enough" to be graduated to the higher brackets? What about 15%? 20%?Again instead of thinking of how best to angleshoot people put turn limits on combos (the only thing that can be practically enforced) nd let combat kill people however early it turns out whether it's voltron infect or craterhoof killing everyone>but my deck cant handle craterhoofLol stay away from the lgs
>>98031852I don't have an answer for what rate does "consistency" mean. I guess high enough to notice it. If an aggro deck kills one player t5 25% of the time you would have randos saying "this is not allowed">put limits on combos but not combatSee that would be a good way to approach it. But it's not mentioned anywhere in the brackets. They need to be refined to answer the aggro question
>>98031846Mathemagics would go crazy with zimone
Do you like sieges?
>>98031946yes
Waiter! More non-basic monocolor lands, please.
>>98031946I use Invasion of Tarkir in my Dragon deck, Invasion of New Phyrexia in my Knight deck and have considered a couple others. In general it's astonishing to even add a new card type 30 years in, especially since i'm pretty sure there hasn't been a single one since introduction. Could've made the Siege enchantments in Nu-Tarkir into battles and you get to pick when you flip.
>>98031946>got their asses handed to them on every single planeWhy can't Phyrexia score just one W?
>>98031946The Shandalar one is amusing. On every other card you see these huge climactic battles being fought. In Shandalar the centurion is shown going berserk on the weeds. And then apparently the invasion fails because simply being there is too invigorating for the Phyrexian constitution to handle. "Enter Shandalar, lose" is plain funny.
>>98031952Yes, please use more non-basics.
>>98031946I want to go to Azgol with the DS3 cinder zombies and shit
>>98031820It (2017) is the greatest horror film ever made so it figures they'd reference it.
I run him as an upgraded precon for casual play. I Keep getting mana shafted early in the game even though I have a decent amount of lands in the deck and he takes a minute to actually start doing anything on the board if I'm not pulling survey cards or haven't milled enough cheap shit in. Any ideas on what i can add to get more synergy or negate some of these problems? I can post a full deck list if needed.
>>9803286537 lands, draw + surveil effects, a few low-mana equips instead of surveil engines, low-power high-mana creatures, Entomb, Buried Alive, Unmarked Grave, Lively Dirge, etcscryfall.com/search?q=power<%3D2+mv>4+-c%3Ared%2C+-c%3Awhite%2C+-c%3Agreen&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
>>98032892Appreciate it!
>>98031972They fucked up Theros pretty hard
>>98033033Justice for Xenagos.
>>98033042>executed by white women for being a funny chudsuch is the plight of our people. Yet we persevere
