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Do you like the Fedcom Civil War, anon?

>>98031619
Yes

>>98031619
Can a Davion Girl and a Steiner Boi have tube babies together?

>>98031815
Is this rule 63 Battletech?

>>98031894
2succlords1cup

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>>98031619
I have never been able to get into the FedCom Civil War. On the other hand, I am beginning work on a Marik Civil War project.

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HONOR THE DRAGON!

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>>98032106
Cappie Warrior house, actually.

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>>98032123
Nah, the Warrior Houses are more like sects than dojos

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>>98032123

Wasn't there a thing at one point where your mechwarriors were like D&D characters and you followed pilot progression if they survived battles? I know 90% of Battletech is just watching your pilots fry, but I remember people caring more about pilots at one point.

>>98032270
Talking about the Mechwarrior RPG?

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>>98032270

I'm putting together two lances for introducing my friend group to the game and need to balance this out. So far I have

House Steiner
Grasshopper
Thunderbolt
Hatchetman

House Marik
Awesome
Orion
Wolverine

I'm currently debating on the last mech for both lances. I was initially going to go with the Zeus for Steiner but I'm worried that it will not really stack up. I have a Marauder II that I might use in it's place. I also have the mega ass rape Banshee variant but that thing is honestly too good to use for this scenario.

For Marik I am split between a Black Knight and Archer as their last spot. I have models for both. I'm more a fan of the Black Knight but I don't want to stack the FWL side up with two different "three of the same big energy weapon and no ammo bins" mechs. The Archer's merits here are obvious and I do think LRM spam is the signature FWL setup the way the Dracs love PPCs.

Thoughts? I'm also printing out sheets for post-Helm / pre-Invasion variants on some of these mechs to see if that helps balance things out.

>>98032451
Steiner needs an Assault, Marik needs a Medium

>>98032451
Depends really on how big is this group of players you are trying to get in as I would not really include anything outside of the medium weight bracket for a first time play? Can still do a Steiner vs Marik themed fight but I would make it like a Griffin vs Wolverine 1vs1 to teach them how to play first, hell a Griffin 1S and Wolverine 6M is a relatively close match up.

If this is a complete showcase though of a bunch of different mechs with different capabilities then I'd suggest a Highlander for Steiner and Trebuchet for Marik, adjust variants as needed to get a relatively even matchup.

>>98032451
Zeus and hermes II.

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>>98032270
Much of the RPG is set during the Succession Wars, when there was often a sort of chivalry in play - because mechs were so rare, pilots rarely fought to the death. Mechs would often back off once a location was punctured or limb lost, the idea being to force the other side to retreat from the risk of losing their rare and difficult to repair mech. The PCs were in a business so constantly had to balance the risk vs the rewards from their contract

The fun part of the RPG though was the players doing stuff outside of their mechs that aided their eventual mech battles - scouting enemy positions on foot and capturing enemy sentries, commando raids to steal or destroy enemy ammo and supplies, raiding HQ trucks to gain intel, political shenanigans to gain allies and friendly punch ups in bars with rival merc units and household troops, or squabbles over the loot and who gets the new actuator or PPC they looted from the enemy.

Also, rare Star League caches (weapons, armour, double heatsinks, etc) were like magic is in D&D, rare sought for and collected supertech to give a slight advantage to the PCs and help make their mechs unique.

The game (at least for us) was more about the entire aspect of future warfare, orbital drops, space and ground combat, subtefuge, politics, tactics, strategy, etc, and less about the current simple pick up game of 'matching BV arena match' that seems so popular nowadays.

>>98032581
This is supposed to be a pretty comprehensive show of what kinds of mechs there are, general roles, etc. Will be doing the SuccWar honor system of "forced retreat at first torso armor breach" to keep things moving.

I'm probably going to put a Zeus and Trebuchet in the missing slots. It seems pretty even that way and I can also get both of those in the same pack.

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So, “anime” was one of the themes CGL teased for a future BattleTech Continuum set. What are some ideas (outside of art style) for giving BattleTech an anime flavor?

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>>98032839
Do they really want to tickle that badger again?

>>98032864
How could it even be done?
Let’s just set the whole issue about the Unseen aside by, for example, saying it would stick to featuring Clan ‘Mechs. But again, this is just a matter of using an art style.
What could be done in terms of game mechanics to give BattleTech a more “anime” flavor?
With Gothic, the answer was adding biomechanical monsters.

>>98032895
The better question is "should it be done?" Because they already cribbed from the more grounded military scifi anime of the '80s, so that leaves either space magic shit, super robot shit, or alien/supernatural Annoshit.

So you don’t have any ideas, gotcha.

>>98032895
>>98032839

Quick thoughts:
To distinguish it from the regular slugfest, take it closer to its Dougram roots and the like.
Mechs are literally Heroes and mooks, where hero mechs can tank shots and mooks will just get blasted in one good shot. But there's also hero tanks and hero infantry that can support stuff with unreasonably powerful capabilities. Mostly just being stupidly difficult to kill even if they can't actually defeat anyone.

Maybe even take it literally, and assume the mech fights are as part of producing a tv show. If you've ever seen the game 7TV there is a LOT that can be taken from that in terms of direction with characters, events, mission types, playing event cards for stuff like plot twists and oddities like animation errors, continuity problems, or having to re-shoot bits kind of things.
Far more dramatic mobility. Just constant jumping even without jump-jets, floating mid-air if you have them, shooting whilst mid-jump.
Alien invasion.

>>98032864
Harmony Gold lost their lawsuit against HBS so they can go piss up a rope.

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>>98032839
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>>98032895
Vertical maneuver gear has been statted in Clan Troops. Writing an Anime version of the Grey Death Legion books would be hella easy.

Make the GDL's then ride on their captured mechs like they're budget Elementals and you'll get hella cool visuals and a seamless transition into the Clan Invasion, when they get BA.

>>98032721
Fair enough and understandable. Pretty decent line up then that covers a load of roles.
>>98032839
It would not surprise me if CGL end up trying to copy Girls und Mech.

>>98033004
This is a really interesting idea, and exactly the sort of thing I had in mind.
I’m wondering how the hero/mook distinction would work with CBT rules, however. For example, my hero is piloting a light ‘Mech against a mook piloting an assault ‘Mech.

>>98033131
Probably some kind of resource to expend for dramatic situations, assault mech mook is a kind of mini-boss, the hero pilot has to put in specific effort to take down with like repeated head-shots or death-from-above attack.
Or just hero attacks automatically succeed vs a mook and they can make called shots?

If it's going for the tv show filming thing, then assume the objective isn't just a battle and the players have to work semi-cooperatively as well as competitively to do these things to set up good dramatic situations and they get score or objectives for like, The Hero DFA's at least 1 enemy mech, rescued their captured comrade, blow up the fuel dump to cover their escape, the baddies have to hang on to their prisoner for (a suitable length of time for dramatic tension), inflict (some damage), blow up at least 1 rescue transport... that kinda thing.
Avoid any objectives that involve a straight up battle unless it's about an actual heroic level fight, and even there it should involve trying to out-do the other player in cool-factor.

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>>98032045
The main obstacle in building a project around Anton’s Revolt is getting players to care about the Free Worlds League and, more particularly, yet another instance of the FWL’s signature beat … fighting itself.
It’s also difficult to understand what is compelling about Anton’s Revolt. I think the conflict was invented as a (1) a frame for a story about Wolf’s Dragoons and (2) to mothball the FWL out of the 4th Succ War storyline. But, looking at the conflict as its own thing, what kind of issues would motivate regular people within the setting to fight?
Best I can come up with so far is that the Janos and his two predecessors had squandered too much cultural and political capital unsuccessfully fighting the Lyrans over the last 70ish years, building up resentment for the office of Captain-General. But how this then translates into anyone supporting Anton taking over the role is a but of a mystery.

The huge gap between total warfare going out of print and the new rules coming out is insane.

>>98031619
I like the general concept, but the setup could've been better. Imo chunks of the Fedsuns being bitter over getting caught up in the Clan Invasion because of the LyrCom getting invaded, and getting big heads because the Fedsuns' industry is a lot better than the complete mess it is pre-Hanse, could have worked better as the set-up. Unfortunately Fedsuns were designated protags and Lyrans as a whole aren't allowed to be cool in the overarching plots, only individual Lyrans in spite of the faction as a whole.

>>98032065
I really like the Gladiator, I really wish it'd stayed as the Medium mech mainstay for the Dracs instead of being retired so early.

65 tons seems to be the optimal for me. I remember when I played as a kid, BIG = BETTER. If it wasn't 100 tons, it was shit. Now I'm really digging 55-65 max.

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>>98032895
Literally just expand on japtech. It might look like Armored Core, but it's actually the other way around. They got Shoji Kawamori himself to make new designs for Battletech's Japanese releases and then he went on to do similar things with that style.
The only hitch here is that it is utterly impossible for their soft doo doo plastic to be able to handle it. It needs sharp definition to have even a chance of coming through on models.

>>98033762
For me it’s the Medium-Heavy weight brackets. There’s definitely a few good assaults out there that I like, but even then I like the faster, lighter assaults. 55 tons is probably my favorite weight class in the game, but a few of the speedy mediums are a lot of fun to work with.

>>98033805
As noted, the question is for ideas OTHER than art/visual design

>>98033820
I think that's what it really is. I like that they're fast enough to keep up with many lights, and depending on the fit, they can do plenty of damage to heavier classes. I don't even really use assaults anymore. The game that sold me on high-end mediums was one where the objective was to destroy a compound inside of a city, and my opponent decided to put everything he had in a front along the edge of the city like we were about to engage in Napoleonic warfare or something. I just spammed LRMs from across the map while charging in with the mediums, and then ignored his front line entirely and ran right past them.

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*flies past*

>>98032839
>>98032895
All the high tech staples of Mecha anime that would raise the ire of the realism guys if implemented proper into 'Tech but appease the 'Mech guys.
Things like Funnels, Gattai, alt modes of locomotion, etc.

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>>98033004
Lorewise, Anime tech's background should be that the SLDF didn't fall, they went all in one refining LAMs and other hyper experimental stuff that only the Star League's advanced RnD would have the resources and time to work out, applied what they figured out to Battlemechs as a whole, and by 3025 Battlemechs are these fast moving, high damage dealing super machines that completely crap on every other conventional unit in the setting. Tanks beyond small niches are completely obsolete and replaced by Protomechs that don't suck unlike canon, infantry is entirely done away with for armies of power armored troops and cyborgs, ASF are pretty much all LAMs, Superheavies are a stable mobile command center for commanders on the field and are genuinely threatening against even full lances of Battlemechs, free hand weapons are common and advanced as fuck like heat axes and plasma blades, etc etc. Just go all in on the highest edge of Real Robot.

The backdrop can be by around 3025 the Periphery has collected enough leaked texhand secretly built up enough forces to rebel, the Great Houses use the excuse to also try their own coups for the Cameron's throne, and now it's an all out war across all of human space with the Periphery States trying to secede, the Great Houses either trying to become First Lord or use the chaos as an excuse to hurt their longtime rivals, all while Cameron and the SLDF are spread thin trying to restore the status quo and press their jackboot down on the troublemakers.

>>98032895
Mech heelies and constant lift hover legs. Switch to wheeled or hover mode because it's faster over flat ground, rollerblade drift around corners. Also direct brain controlled drones ala Gundam bits. And maybe a little bit of energy shielding, as a treat.

>>98034077
Amusingly enough, they could kinda sorta do it by using only Clantech and working on fixing LAMs/Protos. I can almost see it working with some good ruleset fixes.... a tantalizing idea.
So it will never happen and we'll get some boring/predictable Gundam spoof with bad rules for psychic powers written by Gen Xers that never saw a single episode of any mecha anime ever.

https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/blogs/news/timkovichis-ghosts
https://youtu.be/7y7poQbGurM?si=6un4roXQCdMng_X9
Damn, wonder why CGL is pushing this so hard. Is this planet/event reeeeeeally significant for some reason?

>>98034148
>A battletech novel
Who wastes there time with this poorly written trash?

>>98032895
Given that the AnimeTech is the Clan centeted, I would assume that it will be about the sibko cadets being like EVA pilots or GuP students doing Tank-do competing against other schools. High school students piloting mech

>>98033762
>>98033820
>>98033932
Mediums are hard to master but when you do offer some of the most tactical flexibility of any weight class as well as some downright cheese. Designs like the Blitzkrieg and Wraith can easily bounce around the battlefield gathering a +4 TMM while being able to survive a gauss rifle hit and poke a good hole in the opponent.

>>98034169
>High school students piloting mech
So basically /btg/ Girls und Mech but worse?

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>>98034169
>Majestic Prince
>But it's propaganda for Clan Wolf and Alaric Ward is the MC
>Vlad and Katherine as the gene parents
>Victor as the leader of the Rape Dollar Economics aliens

Checks out.

>>98034198
Imagine if it literally is just our girls und mech match

>>98034169
Girls und Combat Vehicle would be funny.

>>98034210
>They change the names but give an example scenario
>It legit is just the Girls und Mech match turn for turn
>>98034214
Would be funny but also pretty good if it is a combat vehicle rework

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>>98032895
60-80 tons, partial wing, improved jump jets, light PPC, etc. Easy.

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>Day 27: they still haven't realized I'm not an Awesome

>>98032895
Something to do with protomechs and magical girls.

>>98034258
I would be happy with this as protomechs need some love.

>>98034258
We already had a Protomech show - Gasaraki.

>>98034204
Come to think of it, Urgal is kind of similar to the Clan... obsessed with getting good genes and all

>>98034169
>In this AU, Tukayyid was Clan Angler cadets vs. Comstar University team and the Great Refusal was vs. NAIS/Nagelring/Sun Zhang/etc

>>98034169
Obviously they develop a new kind of neurohelmet that surpasses even Enhanced Imaging and VDNI without being surgically invasive, but for some reason it only works on teenagers with psychosexual development disorders.

>>98034204
>starts as Majestic Prince
>ends as Aldnoah Zero

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Bought this because it was only $6, but how should I put it on a hex base?

>>98034586
Still cannot forgive that bitch of a princess

>>98034597
You don't. It's double normal battletech scale. Most regular quads won't even fit on a hex.

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>>98033080
>Writing an Anime version of the Grey Death Legion books would be hella easy.
Whenever I try to introduce friends into battletech lore through the novels the first set of books I always point to are the Gray Death Legion trilogy novels, so I could easily see that being adapted as an entry point assuming they don't fuck it up

>>98034643
I just recently got an IWM Fire Scorpion and it can't even touch a hex base unless the body extends all the way off one edge and the other legs are a whole other hex beyond.

Starter game anon, got the unit lists finalized. All pilots are 3/4 unless otherwise specified.

House Steiner
Hatchetman 5S (3/2)
Grasshopper 5N
Thunderbolt 5 SS
Zeus 9S (2/3)

Total BV: 8083

House Marik
Wolverine 7D
Trebuchet 5J (3/2)
Orion 1-M
Awesome 8Q (2/3)

Total BV: 8094

Both lists are 260 tons total as well. I'm going to playtest this list in MegaMek a few times to make sure there isn't any kind of glaring issues but I think this should be a good matchup. I'm debating changing the Orion for one of the other upgrade models that dosen't have the NARC. Otherwise this list has basically everything you could need to know. UACs, pulse lasers, LB/X, different missile types, hatchets..

One of the reasons I'm throwing in some advanced tech is because most of the people have played MW4 and/or MWO so running a strictly SuccWars tech level would seem pretty gimped. It would feel like being one of those DMs who insists on everyone starting at Level 1 for their first game and gives out shit loot because the new players haven't "earned it" yet

Just need to buy that forcepack, paint the last two models and it's ready for the tabletop

>>98034602
There were many in that show that warranted punishment but were spared, I don't dare elaborate because spoilers

>>98034597
Without cutting the legs off and reposing it? You don't.

Even if you did clickytech models are out of scale and you would probably have to basically pose it like a dog shitting or a horse rearing to have any hope of it fitting on a regular hex.

>>98034691
>most of the people have played MW4 and/or MWO so running a strictly SuccWars tech level would seem pretty gimped.
You'll never please vidyatards, those fucking games have caused more damage than even Wizkids did

>>98034688
The old trick to this was to use the sprues as extra runners that extend from the base. Then, you wind up with something that at least has a hex bottom and can get near most other minis.

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>>98034597
Just play Mechwarrior. It's actually fun af.

>>98034803
That game is extinct. Its fire has gone out of the universe; you, anon, are all that's left of those who play it.

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>>98034820
Don't care. We're having fun with it around here :D

>>98034719
Are you a retard? I don't know anyone under the age of 40 who didn't play a MechWarrior game first and I have six people wanting to learn BT based on their experiences with them.

How many people have you personally gotten into playing?

>>98034691
I honestly would have still stuck to introtech just to show how everything worked first and then had a separate list that is maybe FedCom era for game two just to show how it changes everything up as well as how you can play multiple eras with different mechs.

>>98031619
Easily the era I am least interested in. It bores me terribly.

>>98034834
Not him, but I've been to four cons in the past year (not even gaming cons) and without fail everyone is playing BT. Not old farts either. 20 year olds. I barely saw anyone playing D&D which was a shock. It was Magic, BT, everything else, and then one or two tables for D&D

>>98034803
>>98034833
king

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>>98034643
i looked it up and holy blake it's heug

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>>98034820
It's at least still a better game than AS.

>>98034834
There haven't been any decent mechwarrior games in almost a decade. The people who were too young to play BT 2018 when it was relevant are much, much less likely to have played any Battletech related vidya at all.

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>>98032839
>What are some ideas (outside of art style) for giving BattleTech an anime flavor
My hope is that its going to be something like this and not something dumb or boring like Macross/Gundam. Imagine Victor in Minase's place, and his sister is Reika, so instead of Victors princess harem we get Katrinas princess harem as she conquers the Inner Sphere through the power of futa cock.

If Battletech would just get over Mormons and Rem's brand of puritan feminism and embrace being horny it might actually be successful. This is how to do it.

>>98035279
>The blonde futa teacher
So many memories..

>>98035279
I see you and I raise you to Boku no Sibko.

>>98035279
>embrace being horny
The players are horny enough. Our game of combat math and autism spreadsheets doesn't need official TnA. Besides, this is CGL we're talking about, if they embracedbeing horny it would be all edge case queer fetishism.

>>98035380
>mechwarriors are all haughty twinks
>elementals are all uncouth bancho
>pilots are all bratty femboys

>>98034867
It has been my experience that the parts of learning CBT that are complex enough to be a turn off are always going to be there. Electronic warfare stuff is a lot to explain but basically everything else is just "improve gunnery skill / cluster table roll by one" with the odd improve by two throw in.

4/5 SuccWars is an absolute slog to teach if you are playing with people who already fundamentally understand how to play this style of game. A significant, possibly even greater than half, of gunnery rolls are going to be worse than 50% odds of actually hitting. If you are playing with actual noobs who are just going to sit in the medium range bracket trying to circle strafe each other it's not bad. But if you have players who quickly grasp TMM, cover modifiers, et-al then they have all the best / most annoying defensive options that carry over into any era but none of the options to mitigate them.

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I've got an ilClan Alpha Strike game tomorrow, will try my best to write up a battle report here for those interested. Here's my force, Hansen's Roughriders. They'll be escorting a heavily damaged armored company out of enemy territory.

>>98031619
It's my favorite era. I like the "Well, we just beat the big bads... Now what?" feel as a lot of the things put for a later date have bubbled up and are finally addressed. Plus, it's the best Battletech got at designing cool 'mechs and variants. Everything just works. There's just something magical about the late Clan Invasion and Civil War that definitely felt like it's magnum opus. (Because... Well, it was.)

>>98035759
>escorting a heavily damaged armored company
I enjoy games like this

>>98035771
Personally, I wish the rules for blocking fire and maybe movement were better for scenarios like that. Even with the Shielding optional rule, it's fairly easy to just shoot past (or jump past) defenders to hit the defendees.

>>98032641
I kinda wish the new minis had kept the rounder head for the Phoenix Hawk instead of making it look like the old Macross design again. At least the PGI version kinda got it.

>>98035780
Homebrew it my dude

>>98034256
It still annoys me how so many mechs look related to each other but they have no connection in the lore. The Thug, Awesome, Dragon, Zeus, Jager and probably others all have those same weird flared shoulders and other similar features but they're made by a bunch of different defense contractors and primarily used by different factions. Say what you will about Gundam, one thing I liked about it was how they gave most factions a very distinct aesthetic. Not only did Zeon look different from the Federation, but Zeon had two competing defense contractors for their MS with their own distinct looks. Zeonic Company had longer faces and more spikes while Zimmad MS were smoother, had flat faces and usually bigger feet. It all fit together.

>>98031619
The who the what now?

There's no such thing.

>>98035279
Methinks Btech is more Prison Battleship adjacent. We got all of it, terrible politics, genocidal leaders, mind-raep tech. Lilith and CGL are both terribly ran companies full of retards, it's a match made in heaven.
>>98035856
It's both a blessing and a curse. A blessing because we can essentially run whatever we want in most cases, and a curse because the "character" of a faction isn't well-defined by models. There's very few examples of "visual design" in the factions: the exceptions are the Celestials, the Society and some Clan totem mechs. But that makes them difficult to run in generic games because they're essentially faction-locked. Blessing and curse.

>>98035893
>the annihilator is 100% wolf's dragoons only for a very long time
>instead of having a rule or something about it contort the entire fictional metaverse to make sure there are zero battles they canonically lost, ever, where they had an annihilator that could have been turned into salvage

>>98035856
You have to conclude those features have some kind of in universe purpose. The AK-47 and StG-44 don't actually have much in common mechanically speaking. They look the similar because there's only so many ways for a gun like that to look if you want it to work.

>>98036033
In-universe there's also corporate espionage and for older mechs, sweeping technological standardization from the Star League. "We want a new frontal assault mech and it has to have x, y, and z features. One of those features is the Grumbleshmitz-Douper shoulder joint system already in use on these existing mechs because our analysts indicate that it's 6% more efficient in terms of maintenance costs and we're going to be ordering entire divisions of these things"

>>98035305
There are no chicks with dicks, only dudes with boobs, man!
>>98035751
>4/5 succ wars
Heat management is still important to learn. Just bump up P/G to compensate so the players can actually score hits.

>>98036139
>only dudes with boobs
They're really chicks with real dicks, because it's all because of magic, I ain't gotta explain shit.

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>>98035893

Can you theoretically shove BattleMech-grade armor, engine and etc on an IndustrialMech when you MOD it?

>>98036314
There are plenty of industrial mechs that come with a fusion engine as standard, and armor is easy to replace by its nature. Everything from light hovercraft to dropships uses standard armor.

>>98036164
I can confirm, I don't think Kitame can do both at once but she can do both

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>>98036139
>There are no chicks with dicks, only dudes with boobs, man!

>>98036314
The Marians basically back engineered their Centurions this way, the initial models didn't even have actual armor. Bannson's Raiders eponymous mech was an IndustrialMech chassis designed to as closely emulate an Battlemech's abilities as possible while staying within Republic regulations on private mech ownership.

Besides those once you hit the Dark Age that shit is fair game and everyone is doing it.

>>98036314
I'm trying to remember the main malus on an Indy even with full conversion. Is it you gotta do a pilot roll every time you get hit instead of just 20+ damage? Or was it make a crit roll if you fall? It was something that made them legitimately worse than primitive mechs.

>>98036139
>>98036369
You gaijins really need to stop calling shemales 'futa'.

>>98036392
Not them but they were legitimate magic futa. You'd think maybe it was the demon with a dick possessing them, but we see a 1000% genuine girl grow a dick with a spell in Origin.

>I can't believe I'm talking Bible Black lore in a Battletech thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_otzZSDczs

>>98036421
And if I remember my art appreciation sessions correctly, they grow their dicks straight out of their clits and still have vaginas under them, and no balls. I'm sure all of that is very relevant to classifying women with dicks.

>>98036383
They take critical hits like a motherfucker. Every time they fall they have to make an extra roll to not get crit on top of falling damage, every time they take a melee attack they have to roll for an extra crit (weirdly it's in the end phase instead of immediately during the physical attack phase) and every time something rolls on the crit chart it gets +2 to the result (with a 13 counting as a 12 and a 14 being an automatic limb or head blown off or 4 crits to a torso). Also ICE engines can stall every time the pilot fails a PSR.

>>98036566
Ans by comparison, primitive mechs are just... heavier. Their engines get an extra 40 (or was it 60?) to the rating, and the rest of their components are just plain fat. They are inefficient battlemechs, but once they're on the table they function closer to something that's got components which don't factor into the current game, like a C3M with no network or cargo space and nothing to put in it.

Will you guys be doing the Hot Spots Draconis Reach?

>>98036645
Yes. Probably. Maybe. I don't know.
It's hard to do anything but one-offs anymore.

>>98036602
A good reference is the Sarissa, because they built an industrialmech version of what was originally a primitive mech and it saved them about 3.5 tons without affecting the performance on-sheet at all (although they did also shave off half a ton of armor so they could put 4 more heat sinks on it). It does of course suffer from horrendous critical hit issues like all industrials, but at least its components aren't fat.

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>>98036432
>they grow their dicks straight out of their clits and still have vaginas under them
Inferior to the TENTACLE VAGINA!

>>98036566
You'd think most industrialmechs would be pretty sturdy when it comes to falls when they're probably not getting very good pilots and the computer has to do almost all the work since their pilots don't get neurohelmets either.
With how incredibly clumsy drone mechs and even 4/5 pilots are I'm surprised they don't need to pass a PSR just from running, I'd assume falls would be a pretty common issue at a worksite using industrialmechs.

>>98036935
Most industrialmechs at a worksite probably never run at all. It's like a forklift, yeah you can technically slam on the gas, but the speed limit in the work area is snail-like and if you did go fast, the safety guy would have a heart attack and they'll yank your qualification to pilot.

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>>98032839
Girls und Panzer but with battlemechs

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>>98032839
Do a 3-way crossover with BT Gothic. Make it so the main enemy is sex demons of both human and mecha size, and the animes they're referring to is a mix of Wicked City and Taimanin Asagi. Which would be in keeping with BT Gothics tone, and obviously the sex demons and ninjagirl rape bait is the anime part.

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>>98036995
There would be many other dangers to an industrialmech's stability on a worksite.
They're going to be navigating uneven and occasionally loose terrain, they need to load and unload large amounts of material that will not always be secured to the mech, they're going to be pushing and pulling on things like the ground, trees and structures designated for demolition. They need to do all of this with a sub par pilot that doesn't even get a neurohelmet and a computer that isn't even built to the same grade as the notoriously clumsy drone mech computers.

>>98036314
A lot of DA militia and retrotech mechs are based entirely on the idea of making cheap and easier to build combat platforms by cutting corners that way. Heavy Industrial Armor is identical to Standard Armor.

>>98037147
Industrial Mechs are designed to less rigorous control standards because they can operate in specialized, controlled environments. A lumbermech needs a roll cage and protection from flying splinters and falling logs, but does not need to be made to withstand gauss rounds or calculate ballistics; so they armor it up some, give it cost-effective myomer and structure and leave the rest up to the operator not being a retard.

Certain workmechs start to be more like psuedo-battlemechs, such as fire mechs; and some actually are intended to fight, which is why you see more advanced electronics on militiamechs and etc.

Alright guys, let’s get back to BattleTech jeez

>>98037316
But industrialmechs are cool and would work great as an enemy mook unit in every scenario

>>98035856
The old sculpts were more distinct, personally i blame shimmy.
All the new designs practically look the same with their bulbous greeble pockmarked designs.

>>98037479
If that were true then that would be so, but your Afro-engineered KilldozerMech isn't going to stand up to even the most primitive BattleMechs no matter what you clap on its outside
>>98037638
Sounds like a skill issue if you can't tell between a Thug, a Zeus, and a Mauler the second your eye alights upon them

>>98037638
Actually I just blame there being too many mechs, too many designs. There should have been more variants of existing classics and only a trickle being introduced over time, but the desire to draw new robutts was the order of the day and nobody had the foresight to see it being a problem. Even for an interstellar humanity there are way, way, way, way way way too many different war machine designs. The selection of standard vees is much more reasonable.

If you have less unique designs then you have less competition for recognizable silhouettes.

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>>98037734
>but the desire to draw new robutts was the order of the day and nobody had the foresight to see it being a problem
Preach, brother, the glut is real and the mongrels still want more.

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>>98037731
There's a good number of battlemechs that wouldn't have great odds against an industrialmech with a few medium lasers, much less something like a CERPPC or CLPL.

>>98037731
Actually the reason why the militia mech exists as a concept is because they punch above their weight class. Making a viable mech combat unit in a cave with a box of scraps puts you on the board even if your only pieces are pawns.

The Arbiter for example may be a 35 ton shitbox, but a Heavy Rifle in hand is worth more than an AC20 four jumps away.

I just want a 5/8/7 move profile, max armor, and the ability to punch a hole in medium armor from 7 tiles away.

Militiamechs are a product of in and out of universe pro-mech brainrot. They are almost always more expensive and less capable than an equivalent conventional vehicle.

myomer is magic, but it's not as magic as battletech fusion propulsion
given the tech in the setting the real elite combat machines would be brickfighters capable of switching between hektik 6dof VTOL gunship and hypersonic space fighter in an eyeblink
with optional myomer murder tentacles for close combat, spaceship boarding and rudimentary ground locomotion

>>98038022
Was this post written by AI

>>98038224
Most posts here are, yes.

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>>98038022
>I don't understand myomer

Are you a "Turn 1 running" enjoyer or a "Turn 1 walking "appreciator?

>>98038297
depends where I wanna go.

sometimes I don't move a mech at all.

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>>98038489
Teal paint on red desert is peak. Nice work.

>>98038489
>>98038538
Nice looking ‘Mechs there bros

>>98038538
It really does look like a cat.

>>98038489

I miss the Dev's old pointy conehead, but it still hasn't lost it's charm in the new design.

>>98037748
The whole point of the Centurion was it was made as a bodyguard mech for the Trebuchet, why is it just standing over there?

Would a mech with heavy enough armor survive atmospheric re-entry? Not the landing part, just falling through the atmosphere from orbit.

>>98039114
Yes.

>>98039114
No mech can survive raw dogging an atmospheric entry, but heavier armor will help you survive a botched reentry where your drop cocoon is blown off since you'll be taking at least 20 damage but probably more in 5 point increments.

>>98038965
Good work, I really like the basing too

>>98039195
>>98039114

Aren't there a few mechs with JJ's that can sort of survive the landing part too? Like, didn't Kurita survive an assassination attempt because he and someone jumped out of their crashing dropship in a Grasshopper?

Like the mech was completely totalled, but they survived.

>>98039320
Jumping out of a dropship while it's in atmosphere is completely routine and any mech with jump jets can do it unassisted. It's the space-atmosphere interface that liquifies unprotected ground units.

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>>98034597
I have a printed Xanthos that I reposed into a rear-kicking pose to fit on a hex base. It works surprisingly well.

>>98039360
Even mechs without jump jets can just mount an external jump pack. Jump packs are one of those things that get you to ask "why doesn't everyone use this all the time?" It's less expensive than a ton of ammo for most weights and speeds, doesn't generate heat, covers a pretty good amount of distance, and if it gets destroyed (which will automatically happen if you take a rear shot), then you simply lose it with no further consequences. It lowers your walk speed as external cargo, but why would you walk or run when the entire point of it is to give you jump MP?

>>98039458
You only need jump of 1 for landing so I thought all jump packs were just that, a jump movement of 1?

>>98039472
If you wanted to skimp on landing gear by using minimal jump packs, you could since making a drop uses all of your fuel and ejects the pack automatically, but you could also strap larger ones to any mech and give it its full jump range just the same as if it had jets. A 60 ton 4/6 mech can strap on a 4 ton jump pack to become a 2/3/4 with the ability to jump up to 32 hexes before running out of fuel and ejecting the pack. Light and medium mechs get 2 MP per ton, heavies and the low end of assaults get 1, and the biggest assaults get .5

>>98032895
Sibkos are literally battle schools.

>>98034834
I'm 38. My first exposure to battletech was the cartoon.

>>98039541
I'm 40 and played the TCG first, then found the novels, then found the vidya on a demo disc collection.

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>>98039541
NTA but I'm also 38 and I got the cartoon toys but first thing I actually got was a bunch of the FASA reprint RoC novels at a clearance store. Then it was MW2:Mercs that made me fall in love with the franchise. Only started the tabletop around the time when MW4 came out, though.

The cartoon was a hoot of a watch a few years ago when the thing finally got decent VHS rips.

>>98039541
Im 38. My first real exposure was MW2 when I was 8 and then the novels when I was 10. We had a couple of the toys (sloth and infiltrator) when I was 6 but I didnt know what it was and had never heard of the cartoon.

Didn't realize /btg/ was a nursing home

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>>98039868
Buddy, all of /tg/ is graybeard central. This is why we absolutely laugh at young faggots with dumb opinions like "Alpha Strike is the future". We were here when the ancient magic was written.

>>98039868
Have you not seen the average battletech player?

>>98039868
Hey, I'm only 33. My knees only crackle a little bit and only on really high steps! Also my first introduction to the setting was MW2, but I didn't know it was related to anything else other than a theoretical MW1 I had never played. My actual introduction and interest started when someone got me the 25th anniversary box out of the blue.

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I like the Lynx. It has never not performed for me but its always a mental hurdle to commit to that much BV, are they redoing BV with all the rule changes coming up? This thing gets screwed over by all the helmtech in it.

>>98039920
The lynx is a sleeper stand out, I enjoy it

Premium BL-9-KNTs available. Gonna make it rain as soon as my paycheck deposits

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Interesting and/or odd how they're doing the same thing they did with the Early Dark Age Splinter Factions in the new Ilclan stuff. The Hinterlands is similar to the Republic Prefectures, groups of worlds that nominally belong to a greater power but are now splintered and being fought over by various small breakaway/holdout factions that are basically microcosms of bigger Battletech factions.
I wonder why they're doing this again. I mean, I ain't complaining (I ADORE the Dragon's Fury and Spirit Cats) but it is strange to see them mess about with this concept again.

>>98040076
It creates a region of constant micro-wars that can attract almost anyone to meddle with, and that an infinite number of OC donut mercenaries can play in at any scale from protecting some sheds from pirates to supporting an invasion of entire worlds.

>>98040076
I guess they're doing it again because it's an easy way to come up with new factions and lore and thus push people into buying new minis to start new armies without having to upset the "grander picture" of the Inner Sphere too much.

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>>98040076
>I ADORE the Dragon's Fury and Spirit Cats
KING

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>>98034834
The biggest whiners by far about the tabletop game are the /v/-tards that got spoiled by MW5's min-max build system and easily-acquirable tech. I've lost count of how many times I've heard some nutstain in my LGS say "But the video game let me do it!" when they wanted to field a speshul snoflake modded 'mech with no weaknesses on the table, citing tech not even existing in Maximum Tech to build with. Video gamers are the worst people to play with or engage with in this hobby, they are the apex of the shit mountain that is instant gratification. IlClan era is their jam not because they give a fuck about the lore, they just jerk off over the lavish tech availability because it enables their vidya-ingrained WAACdom. Give me a dozen crusty grognards who refuse to budge from 3050 tech over a thousand vidyababies bitching the tabletop doesn't cater to their mechsploitation fetishes.

>>98040191
Cope and seethe grog.

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>>98040221
Concession accepted, child.

>>98040076
>I wonder why they're doing this again
Trying to catch the lightning in a bottle that was objectively best era's Chaos March.

>>98040191
>3050 tech

Well lookit mister fancy-pants rich mcgee over here with all his double heat sinks and ER lasers

>>98040299
Too expensive and rare to yet have mass proliferation

>>98039930
BTW you guys got 1 hour to use the promo code Tuesday5 in the Catalyst webstore to get $5 off, if you want premium minis and stuffs

>>98040314
If anyone cared about rarity most games would be vedettes and scorpions anchored around one manticore for each side.

>>98040191
>Old man crying and stomping his feet about younger generations liking something he doesn't
You love to see it!

>>98040594
Think you mean Stingers, Wasps and Locusts

>>98040191
I believe you've fully invented this story whole-cloth to try and malign MW PC players in some strange vendetta.

I would believe it if you cited a single fucking retard at your local, because everybody gets one, if your LGS doesn't have one it will be assigned one by the regional king of retards.

If running a FedCom game with limited mechlab changes my mind we'll see, but I honestly expect the /v/ crowd to be more flexible as long as boundaries are respected.

>>98040076
Early Dark Age is based so I'm all for this desu

What are the most common mechs for each weight class? Like the most common assault, heavy, and so on

>>98040881
Some kind of bug, one of the 55 ton trio, Archer, Stalker or Banshee. The hard numbers are wildly outdated and were unrealistic even at the time, so we will never know for sure.

>>98040881
Stingers and wasps
Griffins
Archers
Fatlus?

>May 13th: Hot Spots: Draconis Reach
>May 15th: Ghosts of Timkovichi
>May 27th: Map Pack: Volcanic, Battlemat Fire & Ice 1: Erupting Canyon
>June 19th: Shrapnel 25
>June 24th: Battlemat Fire & Ice 2: Magma fjords, Map-scale Leopard, Map-scale Union Remastered
>July 1st: Battlefield Support Gothic Abominations: Hulks, giants and Titans
>July 22nd: Battlemat Fire and Ice: Umber Station
>August (Gencon releases)
Core box
Core book
Starter box
Retail release of Core Box and Starter Box will likely be later than Gencon depending on how far they are through the full print run. 1,000 copies will be shipped to the US for summer cons.
Something Clan
Snowblind (moved from July)
>Late Autumn
Aerotech forcepack: House Steiner
Aerotech forcepack: Clan Wolf
Force Manual: Marik (apparently this is legit?)

>Is that announcement Force manual Marik or Steiner? Steiner is on the list for November. Rem asked specifically about Marik and they said late Autumn.
>Any news on the new Elemental forcepacks? Nothing solid, Talon knows they want to redo them (Randall says no update)
>Any update on the Clan Battle Star? They’ve gone back to the drawing board on a mini they wanted to replace

>>98040893
The phoenix hawk is probably more common than any single one of the 55 trio.

>>98040881
My guesses would be:
Wasp, Shadow Hawk, Archer, Stalker

>>98040881
Based on the lore for individual chassis and the Ubiquitous Quirk:
Light: Wasp, in a close race with the Stinger. (While the Locust is cited as also extremely common, it does not have the Ubiquitous Quirk, it is likely that it is 3rd at best).

Medium: Griffin, also in a close race with the Phoenix Hawk and Shadow Hawk. The Wolverine is also rather common, but especially historically it finds itself in waxing and waning production.

Heavy: Archer, hands down and it's not even close.

Assault: Stalker, the only other Assault that enjoys the Ubiquitous designation is the Longbow.

Generally historically Age of War designs have had hundreds of years to be made on countless factories on countless worlds. Those that have stood the test of time and could be refitted to meet changing battlefield conditions and technology are at least as popular in IlClan as they were during the Succ Wars.

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Stinger > Wasp

If only the Archer -2S got rid of its ass lasers and added 2 more SHSs
>can't believe that the -2Kh with fucking hatchet is the only good 3025 Archer

>>98041260
All archers are good.

We have solved this issue already.

Rip out the lrm 20's
Put in 2(4lrm5) and 4 extra shs with the saved weight.

Tada, archer is fixed.

>>98041230
We get it from both sides. TRO 3039 (or it might be TRO 3025, I only have the cites in front of me) specifically state that it is more numerous than the Stinger during the Succ Wars and nothing specifically suggests that balance would have shifted.

We can take the contradiction in stride since it's basically a photo finish; both are very common all through BT history.

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>>98040815
NTA but I've seen a decent amount of MWO comp guys get into tabletop and it unironically make them want to run lore stock shit in the games lol.

I mean obviously TT doesn't translate to a FPS game very easily, but Its interesting to see the difference between the meta fagging between both

/btg/ Bchristian Theology General

>>98041620
By complete coincidence, a significant portion of the factions I have painted up are explicitly religious. We've got all kinds of space religions up in here.

>>98040972
>Force Manual: Marik
What the fuck????????

>>98041989
The only possible explanation is that someone on the team did all the work for free and turned it in ahead of the next actually scheduled one. Just a couple years ago they were saying they might not even do a Marik one for lack of interest.

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>>98041989
I want it.

Every time I decide to check this general out after a few months, I'm always immediately reminded why I shouldn't.

>>98042105
The autistic arguments with extensive references are a feature, not a bug. Unfortunately, we're also probably the most easily baited general on the board.

>>98042105
Would you really rather see people posting their poorly painted blobmechs?

>>98042140
Autistic arguments about battletech are fine. Two nerds flinging bible versus at eachother like wizard spells is not fine.

>>98042183
Exactly. That's why there's the second part on how easily things can get derailed.

>>98042140
I don't think we're actually the most baited, we just have separate retards that are happy to troll in opposite direction on off hours and it fills up threads with garbage.

If I had to guess, they ate too many bans in the more popular threads and are trying their luck here hoping not to be noticed.

Honestly though I can't see the appeal of being such an unambitious nuisance. It's like cheating in the paralympics; weak swipes at low hanging fruit.

>>98041230
>>98041329
It might also be because they might have similar refits. I think both have a dual medium laser refit, so maybe we have Stingers getting mistaken for Wasps and Wasps getting mistaken for Stingers.

>>98042317
No, the Rambo Stinger is the OG. The Wasp 1Y is CGL last year bullshit.

What is the best periphery price-to- performance mech? Assuming you're developed enough to field more than a single antique lance, but not enough to be domestically producing any more than maybe one exotic material like endosteel or ferrofibrous armour?
Any time period, i just want oppinions

>>98042355
Unironically, Toros. Cheap lights that take advantage of the LRM5 meta fuckery to put them above Panthers.

>>98042355
Thunderbolt 5SS or era equivalent

>>98042365

Like Sprite Protomechs?

>>98033429

Going over novels setting up the FedCom Civil War (still in Malicious Intent for anyone curious) I must wonder why no one in the 3050s remembered that it was Katrina Steiner who devised the idea that was the Federated Commonwealth with Ian Davion in the first place that a significant number of individuals did not with Katrina's granddaughter Katherine calling herself "Katrina" and creating the Lyran Alliance.

>>98042670
The civil war storyline doesn't happen if anyone in the military or government knows or remembers things.

Didn't expect Alyina Mercantile League mechs to be green, gray, blue and gold. It's an odd look, but I don't hate it tbhondesu

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>>98042699

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Thinking about how it should be mass dedicated to myomer and myomer housing instead of engine mass that dictates top speed made me realize that, in this alternate timeline where there was a little more thought put into it, variants with significantly higher top speed would be visually identifiable by noticeably thicker legs relative to other variants.
So a banshee 3E would have trunk-like legs but a 3S would look rather anemic.

>>98042711
Oh look, Jade Falcon rape babies

>>98042711
I like it. Odd combo of colours but it works.

>>98040972
>Retail release of Core Box and Starter Box will likely be later than Gencon
So we can expect them in the UK roughly around 2030 at the earliest?

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Been a while since I have painted anything in plastic. Decided to strip this Vapor Eagle and Horned Owl since they were still sporting a paint job I had done a few years back, just after I had started painting. I am glad to have given them a new lease on life, I think they turned out well.

This batch is also a bit different from my usual Snow Ravens, I’ve been experimenting with a little bit of sponge painting on the upper surfaces to exaggerate the highlights, I think I’ve got it down where I want it at this point.

>>98042182
>would you really rather see [things about game] in [game general]?
Why are you even here?

>>98043273
Daaaaaamn these are pretty!

>>98042699
Their canon color scheme is supposed to be appropriate camo with blue and grey highlights. Pretty much that one cluster of CJF Gamma galaxy but with added grey.